A129CBT - Revision history

U22067555: /* Offensive armament */ Reduced ammo

2024-11-24T14:00:01Z

‎Offensive armament: Reduced ammo

U17577377: /* Media */

2023-12-07T14:12:30Z

‎Media

U100904013: /* Media */

2023-12-07T12:50:33Z

‎Media

U38088265: /* Armaments */ Updated

2023-11-06T22:00:16Z

‎Armaments: Updated

U56862421: /* Pros and cons */

2023-08-28T12:00:59Z

‎Pros and cons

U38088265: /* Description */

2023-04-23T20:46:53Z

‎Description

U31139476: /* Description */ Added description

2023-04-17T17:01:35Z

‎Description: Added description

U38088265: /* Suspended armament */ Updated

2023-03-10T19:28:43Z

‎Suspended armament: Updated

U74873915: Correction. The Mi-28NM is the other Russian top tier heli at the same BR as the Ka-52 nowadays

2022-11-25T04:40:27Z

Correction. The Mi-28NM is the other Russian top tier heli at the same BR as the Ka-52 nowadays

U74873915: Either an error, or text is outdated but Ka-50 and Mi-28NM are 11.3

2022-11-25T04:37:54Z

Either an error, or text is outdated but Ka-50 and Mi-28NM are 11.3

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 * A choice between two presets:
-** 1 x 20 mm TM197B cannon, nose-mounted ball turret (750 rpg) + 90 x countermeasures
+** 1 x 20 mm TM197B cannon, nose-mounted ball turret (500 rpg) + 90 x countermeasures
 ** 1 x 20 mm TM197B cannon + 90 x countermeasures + IRCM

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-{{Youtube-gallery|aYYZFFfc_ic|'''Ultimate A-129 Mangusta Guide''' -By Bob Dickinson.}}
+{{Youtube-gallery|aYYZFFfc_ic|'''Ultimate A-129 Mangusta Guide''' - ''Bob Dickinson''}}
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	* [https://live.warthunder.com/feed/camouflages/?vehicle=a_129_cbt Skins and camouflages for the {{PAGENAME}} from live.warthunder.com.]		* [https://live.warthunder.com/feed/camouflages/?vehicle=a_129_cbt Skins and camouflages for the {{PAGENAME}} from live.warthunder.com.]
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		+	{{Youtube-gallery\|aYYZFFfc_ic\|'''Ultimate A-129 Mangusta Guide''' -By Bob Dickinson.}}

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 {{Specs-Heli-Offensive}}
 <!-- ''Describe the offensive armament of the helicopter, if any. Describe how effective the cannons and machine guns are in battle, also what ammunition belts or drums are better to use. If there is no offensive weaponry, delete this subsection.'' -->
 {{main|TM197B (20 mm)}}
 The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' is armed with:
-* A choice between three presets:
+* A choice between two presets:
-** 1 x 20 mm TM197B cannon, nose-mounted ball turret (750 rpg)
+** 1 x 20 mm TM197B cannon, nose-mounted ball turret (750 rpg) + 90 x countermeasures
 ** 1 x 20 mm TM197B cannon + 90 x countermeasures + IRCM
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 {{Specs-Heli-Suspended}}
 <!-- ''Describe the helicopter's suspended armament: additional cannons under the winglets, any bombs, and rockets. Since any helicopter is essentially only a platform for suspended weaponry, this section is significant and deserves your special attention. If there is no suspended weaponry remove this subsection.'' -->
-* Without load
+The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' can be outfitted with the following ordnance:
 {| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="100%"
 |-
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 |-
-! 12.7 mm FN M3P machine guns (250 rpg)
+! [[FN M3P (12.7 mm)|12.7 mm FN M3P]] machine guns (250 rpg)
 | || 1* || 1* ||
 |-
-! FFAR Mighty Mouse rockets
+! [[FFAR Mighty Mouse]] rockets
 | || 3* || 3* ||
 |-
-! Hydra-70 M247 rockets
+! [[Hydra-70 M247]] rockets
 | 7, 19 || 7, 19 || 7, 19 || 7, 19
 |-
-! AGM-114B Hellfire missiles
+! [[AGM-114B Hellfire]] missiles
 | 2, 4 || || || 2, 4
 |-
-! ATAS (AIM-92) missiles
+! [[ATAS (AIM-92)]] missiles
 | 2 || 2 || 2 || 2
 |-
-! BGM-71C Improved TOW missiles
+! [[BGM-71C Improved TOW]] missiles
 | 2, 4 || || || 2, 4
 |-
-! BGM-71D TOW-2 missiles
+! [[BGM-71D TOW-2]] missiles
 | 2, 4 || || || 2, 4
 |-
-! Mistral missiles
+! [[Mistral]] missiles
 | 2 || 2 || 2 || 2
 |-
 | colspan="6" | * FFAR rockets can only be carried concurrently with the FN M3P gunpods on the same hardpoint
 |}
 == Usage in battles ==

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 * Very effective anti-tank capabilities
 * Has access to countermeasures and a ballistic computer
 '''Cons:'''
 * Fragile, cannot tank as many hits as its counterparts
 * Air-to-air missiles launch downwards

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 == Description ==
 <!-- ''In the description, the first part should be about the history of and the creation and combat usage of the helicopter, as well as its key features. In the second part, tell the reader about the helicopter in the game. Insert a screenshot of the vehicle, so that if the novice player does not remember the vehicle by name, he will immediately understand what kind of vehicle the article is talking about.'' -->
-After the creation of the A129 International, and its failure to export it to other countries, Italy, Spain, Great Britain and the Netherlands signed a memorandum in 1986 to have a better version of the A129 developed, the project was called Joint European Helicopter, the memorandum called for more powerful engines, new rotor system, retractable landing gear, improved armament and improved sensors, but the project was cancelled in 1990, with Great Britain and the Netherlands buying AH-64 Apache and Spain opting for Eurocopter Tiger, but thanks to the project the Italians were able to improve the A129 and put it into service as the A129 Mangusta 'Combat' (A129CBT), which had modernised avionics, this would eventually be used in various theatres of war such as Iraq and Afghanistan.
+After the creation of the A129 International, and its failure to be exported to other countries, Italy, Spain, Great Britain, and the Netherlands signed a memorandum in 1986 to have a better version of the A129 developed. The project, named the Joint European Helicopter, called for more powerful engines, a new rotor system, retractable landing gear, improved armament, and improved sensors. However, the project was cancelled in 1990, with Great Britain and the Netherlands buying the AH-64 Apache and Spain opting for the Eurocopter Tiger. Nevertheless, thanks to the project the Italians were able to improve the A129 and put it into service as the A129 Mangusta 'Combat' (A129CBT), which had modernised avionics. It would eventually be used in various theatres of war such as Iraq and Afghanistan.
-In-game A129CBT was added as the final vehicle in the Italian helicopter tech tree added in the [[Update "Hot Tracks"|"Hot Tracks" update]], it is an excellent helicopter for its low-speed manoeuvrability and acceleration that allows it to exit quickly and hit enemy targets, A129CBT is equipped with several armaments the best of which are the AGM-114B Hellfire that can hit the enemy hard or destroy them instantly, while for your defence from other enemy helicopters and aircraft, you can use the mistral much better than the ATAS that can chase the target better, you can also count on a 20mm rotary 3-barrel that can shoot down most light targets.
+Introduced in [[Update "Hot Tracks"]], the A129CBT is an excellent helicopter for its low-speed manoeuvrability and acceleration that allows it to hit enemy targets and exit quickly. The A129CBT is equipped with several armaments, the best of which are the AGM-114B Hellfires that can hit enemies hard, while for defence against other enemy helicopters and aircraft, the A129CBT equips the Mistral, which can chase down targets much better than the ATAS. You can also count on a 20 mm rotary 3-barrel cannon that can shoot down most light targets.
 == General info ==

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 * 28 x Hydra-70 M247 rockets
 * 76 x Hydra-70 M247 rockets
-* 2 x 12.7 mm FN M3P machine guns (400 rpg = 800 total)
+* 2 x 12.7 mm FN M3P machine guns (250 rpg = 500 total)
 * 2 x 12.7 mm FN M3P machine guns + 6 x FFAR Mighty Mouse rockets
 * 4 x BGM-71C Improved TOW missiles
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 |-
-! 12.7 mm FN M3P machine guns (400 rpg)
+! 12.7 mm FN M3P machine guns (250 rpg)
 | || 1* || 1* ||
 |-

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 With enough spawn points, you can bring Hellfire missiles, the best overall loadout for the A129CBT. With the Hellfires, you'll easily be able to pick off players from a distance. If spawning in during the early minutes of a match, the Hellfires will be a dangerous weapon for pretty much any enemy vehicle you'll be able to track. If you run out of Hellfires during your match, it is advised you return to base to rearm. If not, and you haven't had the chance to use your rocket pods yet, utilize them whilst still being useful to your team. With rockets, you'll need to stay low to avoid any incoming SPAA or, if there are no SPAA, fly above the battlefield and take out priority targets. Usually, sticking behind mountains or tree lines will suffice. This should not pose a challenge as the A129CBT has access to the ballistic computer. You'll need to quickly scan, engage, and then disengage. If you feel as if you are still able to fight, you still have access to your main 20 mm cannon, which is effective against soft targets and Western MBTs.
-For a first spawn, you can bring the AIM-92 Stingers or Mistral air-to-air missiles and Hydra-70 M247 rockets, or a full load of Hydra-70s. Do keep in mind that the A129CBT flies a bit sluggish with the full rocket load compared to the AAMs and half rocket load for obvious reasons. You won't be as manoeuvrable whilst bringing a full rocket load, so you must be sure that you can score multiple frags with them and the ballistic computer. This is where bringing air-to-air missiles comes into play. AAMs are great for destroying enemy first-spawn helicopters and enemies on CAS duty if you survive until the middle of the match. The Mistrals were once inadequate against helicopters, specifically Russian ones, that were the most common in matches before their respective BR increases. Since the [[Mi-28N]] and the [[Ka-52]] now reside at 11.0, it's physically impossible to face them unless you put a 10.0 vehicle in your lineup. These helicopters were the reason Mistrals weren't effective; they were the most common and deadly helicopters, and they were quite modern as well, as these helicopters had MAW systems on board. This meant that, upon firing a Mistral at them, dozens of flares and chaff would spit out of the side of their helicopters, leading your missile off-course, whereas with a Stinger, they wouldn't do that, as they're more resistant to countermeasures than the Mistral. However, the Stingers pull less than the Mistral, and against aircraft, you'd have to shoot a Stinger when an aircraft was in a straight line. With the Mistral however, you can just fire them and the nimble 12G missile is on its way to score you yet another air frag. And since the [[Mi-28N]] and the [[Ka-52]] are 11.3, the main drawback of the Mistrals were eliminated. The only enemy you can still face with MAW systems on board is the [[Ka-50]], but since most of their pilots sit back in a comfortable spot far away with Vikhrs, you won't attain a missile lock on them at range anyways.
+For a first spawn, you can bring the AIM-92 Stingers or Mistral air-to-air missiles and Hydra-70 M247 rockets, or a full load of Hydra-70s. Do keep in mind that the A129CBT flies a bit sluggish with the full rocket load compared to the AAMs and half rocket load for obvious reasons. You won't be as manoeuvrable whilst bringing a full rocket load, so you must be sure that you can score multiple frags with them and the ballistic computer. This is where bringing air-to-air missiles comes into play. AAMs are great for destroying enemy first-spawn helicopters and enemies on CAS duty if you survive until the middle of the match. The Mistrals were once inadequate against helicopters, specifically Russian ones, that were the most common in matches before their respective BR increases. Since the [[Mi-28NM]] and the [[Ka-52]] now reside at 11.0, it's physically impossible to face them unless you put a 10.0 vehicle in your lineup. These helicopters were the reason Mistrals weren't effective; they were the most common and deadly helicopters, and they were quite modern as well, as these helicopters had MAW systems on board. This meant that, upon firing a Mistral at them, dozens of flares and chaff would spit out of the side of their helicopters, leading your missile off-course, whereas with a Stinger, they wouldn't do that, as they're more resistant to countermeasures than the Mistral. However, the Stingers pull less than the Mistral, and against aircraft, you'd have to shoot a Stinger when an aircraft was in a straight line. With the Mistral however, you can just fire them and the nimble 12G missile is on its way to score you yet another air frag. And since the [[Mi-28NM]] and the [[Ka-52]] are 11.3, the main drawback of the Mistrals were eliminated. The only enemy you can still face with MAW systems on board is the [[Ka-50]], but since most of their pilots sit back in a comfortable spot far away with Vikhrs, you won't attain a missile lock on them at range anyways.
 [[File:A129CBT Stinger.png|left|thumb|300px|A129CBT firing an AIM-92 Stinger AAM]]
 rockets are more than enough if you are precise with the ballistic computer. You have 19 clicks - 19 shots to destroy the enemy with 38 rockets. With enough precision, especially accounting for the ballistic computer, that could be 19 frags. With 38 rockets, you'll be more manoeuvrable compared to a full rocket load, as well as have an early anti-air capability for your team if there are no first-spawn SPAAs on your team. This is a great way to deter all helicopters, and later, CAS jets like the [[A-4B]], [[A-4E Early]], [[G.91 R/4 (Germany)|G.91 R/4 (Germany),]] and others.