90/53 M41M - Revision history

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‎Description

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Undo revision 179423 by U30821918 (talk)

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‎Ammo racks

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‎See also: Added breda 90/53 and breda 501 to see also list since they share the same cannon

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‎Survivability and armour

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 == Description ==
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-The semovente da 90/53 (introduced in [[Update 1.85 "Supersonic"]].) was a self propelled gun mainly made to provide support infantry and take out light and medium tanks that were used by the allies. It's main armament was mounted on the rear of a lengthened M14/41 hull and chassis. The [[90/53 mod.41 (90 mm)|90 mm 90/53 mod.41]] was made by modifying an anti-air cannon. It would have its first combat debut during the allied landings in sicily where it proved itself, however due to the sheer allied power both in the air and ground, the little numbers produced of this platform wouldn't be enough for Italy to defend itself. In game the Semovente 90/53 is one of the early tank-destroyer like vehicles availible to players grinding the tree. It has a very potent main armament able to deal with any enemy player vehicle at its battle rating. It mobility isn't the best however, the best playstyle for this vehicle is as a sniper where you won't have to be moving a lot. You can set up ambushes as the vehicle is not too tall or wide to be easily spotted. Reload rates need to be considered when engaging multiple enemies, not only that but the vehicle does not carry a lot of ammunition on the vehicle so you need to pick you targets very carefully and make sure every hit counts. Once spotted the vehicle does not have enough armour to protect itself from the majority of enemy attacks. The crew placement means most shots directed towards your turret will mean a quick trip back to the hangar. One major weakspot you dont want enemies to take advantage of is your behind, you are completely exposed as well as your ammo and crew. Being flanked in this vehicle means you usually wont be able to make it out alive from engagements. Overall, just play smart with the semovente da 90/53, do not go out in the open and attack only when absolutely needed.
+The Semovente da 90/53 (introduced in [[Update 1.85 "Supersonic"]].) was a self propelled gun mainly made to provide support infantry and take out light and medium tanks that were used by the allies. It's main armament was mounted on the rear of a lengthened M14/41 hull and chassis. The [[90/53 mod.41 (90 mm)|90 mm 90/53 mod.41]] was made by modifying an anti-air cannon. It would have its first combat debut during the allied landings in Sicily where it proved itself, however due to the sheer allied power both in the air and ground, the little numbers produced of this platform wouldn't be enough for Italy to defend itself. In game the Semovente 90/53 is one of the early tank-destroyer vehicles availible to players grinding the tree. It has a very potent main armament able to deal with any enemy player vehicle at its battle rating. It mobility isn't the best however, the best playstyle for this vehicle is as a sniper where you won't have to be moving a lot. You can set up ambushes as the vehicle is not too tall or wide to be easily spotted. Reload rates need to be considered when engaging multiple enemies, not only that but the vehicle does not carry a lot of ammunition on the vehicle so you need to pick you targets very carefully and make sure every hit counts. Once spotted the vehicle does not have enough armour to protect itself from the majority of enemy attacks. The crew placement means most shots directed towards your turret will mean a quick trip back to the hangar. One major weakspot that you don't want enemies to take advantage of is your behind, as your ammo and crew are completley exposed, and can be taken out by machine gun fire. Being flanked in this vehicle means you usually wont be able to make it out alive from engagements. Overall, just play smart with the Semovente da 90/53, do not go out in the open and attack only when absolutely needed.
 == General info ==

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	* [[SU-85A]]		* [[SU-85A]]
		+	* [[Breda 90/53]] Same cannon but on an unarmored truck chassis
		+	* [[Breda 501]] Same cannon but on an armored truck chassis

	== External links ==		== External links ==

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 == Description ==
 <!-- ''In the description, the first part should be about the history of the creation and combat usage of the vehicle, as well as its key features. In the second part, tell the reader about the ground vehicle in the game. Insert a screenshot of the vehicle, so that if the novice player does not remember the vehicle by name, he will immediately understand what kind of vehicle the article is talking about.'' -->
-The '''{{Specs|name}}''' (shortened as '''{{Specs|pseudonym}}''') is a rank {{Specs|rank}} Italian tank destroyer {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update 1.85 "Supersonic"]].
+The semovente da 90/53 (introduced in [[Update 1.85 "Supersonic"]].) was a self propelled gun mainly made to provide support infantry and take out light and medium tanks that were used by the allies. It's main armament was mounted on the rear of a lengthened M14/41 hull and chassis. The [[90/53 mod.41 (90 mm)|90 mm 90/53 mod.41]] was made by modifying an anti-air cannon. It would have its first combat debut during the allied landings in sicily where it proved itself, however due to the sheer allied power both in the air and ground, the little numbers produced of this platform wouldn't be enough for Italy to defend itself. In game the Semovente 90/53 is one of the early tank-destroyer like vehicles availible to players grinding the tree. It has a very potent main armament able to deal with any enemy player vehicle at its battle rating. It mobility isn't the best however, the best playstyle for this vehicle is as a sniper where you won't have to be moving a lot. You can set up ambushes as the vehicle is not too tall or wide to be easily spotted. Reload rates need to be considered when engaging multiple enemies, not only that but the vehicle does not carry a lot of ammunition on the vehicle so you need to pick you targets very carefully and make sure every hit counts. Once spotted the vehicle does not have enough armour to protect itself from the majority of enemy attacks. The crew placement means most shots directed towards your turret will mean a quick trip back to the hangar. One major weakspot you dont want enemies to take advantage of is your behind, you are completely exposed as well as your ammo and crew. Being flanked in this vehicle means you usually wont be able to make it out alive from engagements. Overall, just play smart with the semovente da 90/53, do not go out in the open and attack only when absolutely needed.
 == General info ==

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 ==== Ammunition ====
-{| class="wikitable sortable" style="text-align:center" width="100%"
+{{:90/53 mod.41 (90 mm)/Ammunition|Granata Perforante da 90, Granata da 90, Granata Perforante mod.43}}
 ==== [[Ammo racks]] ====

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 Armour is not great, but the gun shield protects from .50 cal heavy machine gun fire from the front and the sloped hull armour can bounce shots. The back is very vulnerable as your crew sits unprotected and can be knocked out by anything, including a single artillery shell behind you can disable the {{PAGENAME}}.
-Despite that, it has better survivability than what people may expect from such a thinly-armoured vehicle. Because of its layout, the {{PAGENAME}} separates the crew into two different areas, the front compartment of the hull and the rear turret, with the engine bay in between. This also gives additional protection from the front side to the ammunition storage area, and so being destroyed by an ammo explosion is an infrequent occurance.
+Despite that, it has better survivability than what people may expect from such a thinly-armoured vehicle. Because of its layout, the {{PAGENAME}} separates the crew into two different areas, the front compartment of the hull and the rear turret, with the engine bay in between. This also gives additional protection from the front side to the ammunition storage area, and so being destroyed by an ammo explosion is not a frequent occurence.
 === Mobility ===

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 * Mudguards are 4 mm thick.
-Armour is not great, but the gun shield protects from .50 cal heavy machine gun fire from the front and the very sloped hull armour can bounce shots. The back is very vulnerable as your crew sits unproteted and can be knocked out by anything. One artillery shell behind you can disable the {{PAGENAME}}.
+Armour is not great, but the gun shield protects from .50 cal heavy machine gun fire from the front and the sloped hull armour can bounce shots. The back is very vulnerable as your crew sits unprotected and can be knocked out by anything, including a single artillery shell behind you can disable the {{PAGENAME}}.
-Despite that, it has better survivability than what people may expect from such a thinly-armoured vehicle. Because of its layout, the {{PAGENAME}} separates the crew into two different areas, the front compartment of the hull and the rear turret, with the engine bay in between. This also gives additional protection from the front side to the ammunition storage area, and so being destroyed by an ammo explosion is not a frequent thing.
+Despite that, it has better survivability than what people may expect from such a thinly-armoured vehicle. Because of its layout, the {{PAGENAME}} separates the crew into two different areas, the front compartment of the hull and the rear turret, with the engine bay in between. This also gives additional protection from the front side to the ammunition storage area, and so being destroyed by an ammo explosion is an infrequent occurance.
 === Mobility ===
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 * Acceptable reloading time
 * If a shot penetrates the front, the engine and fuel tanks would absorb most of the fragmentation
-* Now, there are 4 crew members, so it's more likely to survive strafing runs.
+* 4 widely spaced out crew members increases chance of surviving strafing runs
 '''Cons:'''

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 Due to its high penetration at close ranges, excellent turret traverse and surprising survivability, the 90/53 can perform quite well in CQC combat in an urban environment. The 90/53 is quite lethal to most tanks it comes across and can deal quite easily with vehicles other tanks typically struggle with, such as KV-1s. This comes at the sacrifice of an exposed rear, so it is typically advised to make sure that your rear is always secure and not to overextend from your allies. Alternatively, the high calibre of the shell does make the 90/53 viable at range, but the lack of ammunition and machine guns for rangefinding make this task quite difficult. When entering battle, a full load of Granata Preforante mod.43 is typically advised.
-[[File:90 53 M41M.jpg|thumb|90/53 M41M fighting at range]]
 The 90/53 is extremely vulnerable to AA guns as they can typically shred the 90/53's thin armour and should be avoided at all costs. Strafing from planes is also a common annoyance, as its lightly armoured and semi-exposed crew are easy targets from the air. Try to avoid open areas and stick to places with limited visibility from the air, such as forests and towns where planes will have trouble spotting you. If a plane is targeting you it might be wise to back your exposed rear into a solid object, like a wall or a cliffside to prevent the plane from hitting your rear.
 === Pros and cons ===
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+[[File:90 53 M41M.jpg|thumb|90/53 M41M fighting at range]]
 '''Pros:'''
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 * Poor gun depression
 * Extremely poor ammunition capacity (8 rounds)
-* Poor armour & exposed crewmembers in the turret
+* Poor armour & exposed crew members in the turret
 * Poor dispersion, especially without upgrades
 * Mediocre mobility
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 Twenty-four surviving vehicles were formed into the 10th Self-Propelled Gun Unit (Raggruppamento Semoventi), divided into 3 gruppi. It was sent to Sicily in June, 1943, and was deployed against the US 7th Army in fighting in the Licata area, losing all but two of its vehicles. These last two vehicles were abandoned and captured in Messina when Sicily fell. The few left behind in Italy were seized and used by Germany.
-One of these two semovente was brought to Aberdeen proving ground to be evalutated. In 2012, it was moved to the U.S. Army Field Artillery museum in Fort Sill, Oklahoma where it was restored. It is likely the only surviving example.
+One of these two Semovente was brought to Aberdeen proving ground to be evaluated. In 2012, it was moved to the U.S. Army Field Artillery museum in Fort Sill, Oklahoma where it was restored. It is likely the only surviving example.
 == Media ==
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 * [[Wikipedia:Semovente_da_90/53|[Wikipedia] Semovente da 90/53]]
-* https://www.tanks-encyclopedia.com/ww2/italy/Semovente_Da_90-53.php
+* [https://www.tanks-encyclopedia.com/ww2/italy/Semovente_Da_90-53.php <nowiki>[Tanks Encyclopedia]</nowiki> Semovente da 90/53]
-* https://www.army.mil/article/94484/army_fa_museum_adds_wwii_artillery_pieces
+* [https://www.army.mil/article/94484/army_fa_museum_adds_wwii_artillery_pieces <nowiki>[US Army]</nowiki> Army FA museum adds WWII artillery pieces]
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