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Adding history of 302 and slight revisions on usage in battle

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Adding most part of the description; pending for magazine articles (need some time to dig it out from my messes of files)

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== Description ==
''Write an introduction to the article in 2-3 small paragraphs. Briefly tell us about the history of the development and combat using the weaponry and also about its features. Compile a list of air, ground, or naval vehicles that feature this weapon system in the game.''

=== Vehicles equipped with this weapon ===


* {{Specs-Link|cn_object_122tm}}

== General info ==
''Tell us about the tactical and technical characteristics of the missile.''

=== Effective damage ===
''Describe the type of damage produced by this type of missile (high explosive, splash damage, etc)''

=== Comparison with analogues ===
''Give a comparative description of missiles that have firepower equal to this weapon.''

== Usage in battles ==
''Describe situations when you would utilise this missile in-game (vehicle, pillbox, base, etc)''

=== Pros and cons ===
''Summarise and briefly evaluate the weaponry in terms of its characteristics and combat effectiveness. Mark pros and cons as a list.''

'''Pros:'''
*

'''Cons:'''
*

== History ==
''Examine the history of the creation and combat usage of the weapon in more detail than in the introduction. If the historical reference turns out to be too long, take it to a separate article, taking a link to the article about the weapon and adding a block "/History" (example: <nowiki>https://wiki.warthunder.com/(Weapon-name)/History</nowiki>) and add a link to it here using the <code>main</code> template. Be sure to reference text and sources by using <code><nowiki><ref></ref></nowiki></code>, as well as adding them at the end of the article with <code><nowiki><references /></nowiki></code>.''

== Media ==
''Excellent additions to the article would be video guides, screenshots from the game, and photos.''

== See also ==
''Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:''
* ''reference to the article about the variant of the weapon;''
* ''references to approximate analogues by other nations and research trees.''

== External links ==
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 == History ==
-Before the Project 122 medium tanks, there were in fact no ATGMs for PLAGF for more than a decade since 1960. Although there plans for the J-201 ATGM in 1962 developed by the future "Father of Hong Jian (红箭; red arrow)", Wang Xingzhi (王兴治), the missile was yet to be certified by 1970s and it was eventually ditched in favor for the better HJ-73; while Soviet Union was fond on "rocket tanks" which utilized their latest missile technology for anti-tank operations i.e [[IT-1]] or [[Object 775]], there were plans to upgrade tanks with ATGMs based on older tank platforms - which [[AMX-13 (HOT)]] is the result of such idea; as the Campaign 2-4 called for ambitious designs for vehicles included in this campaign, the earliest prototypes of Object 122 medium tanks also included 4 tubes of missiles welded onto the turret. Oddly enough, the team of engineers managed to create the earliest 2nd generation ATGM for the tank, dubbed "302" missile which utilized SACLOS guidance way before the official introduction of HJ-8 series in 1984 (Note: the development of HJ-8 was halted in 1970s until 1974 due to Cultural Revolution).
+Before the Project 122 medium tanks, there were in fact no ATGMs for the PLAGF for more than a decade since 1960. Although there were plans for the J-201 ATGM in 1962, developed by the future "Father of Hong Jian (红箭; red arrow)", Wang Xingzhi (王兴治), the missile was yet to be certified by 1970s and it was eventually ditched in favor for the better [[HJ-73]]. While the Soviet Union was fond of "rocket tanks" which utilized their latest missile technology for anti-tank operations (i.e [[IT-1]] or [[Object 775]]), there were plans to upgrade tanks with ATGMs based on older tank platforms - the [[AMX-13 (HOT)]] is the result of such idea - as the Campaign 2-4 called for ambitious designs for vehicles included in this campaign. This led to the earliest prototypes of Object 122 medium tanks also including 4 tubes of missiles welded onto the turret. Oddly enough, the team of engineers managed to create the earliest 2nd generation ATGM for the tank, dubbed "302" missile which utilized SACLOS guidance way before the official introduction of [[HJ-8A|HJ-8 series]] in 1984 (Note: the development of HJ-8 was halted in 1970s until 1974 due to Cultural Revolution).
-Due to design changes during the project and the eventual cancellation of Campaign 2-4, the "302" was lost in history and has very few evidence such as mock-up or prototypes to mark its existence on the pages of history; while the guidance system and overall design might have been inherited to HJ-8; sharing the same 120  mm diameter, similar aerodynamic design and both were oddly enough to be developed in Xi'an, Shaanxi, the dubbed "302" missile can be said as an ancestor of HJ-8.
+Due to design changes during the project and the eventual cancellation of Campaign 2-4, the "302" was lost in history and has very few evidence such as mock-up or prototypes to mark its existence on the pages of history. While the guidance system and overall design might have been inherited by the HJ-8; sharing the same 120 mm diameter, similar aerodynamic design and both were oddly enough to be developed in Xi'an, Shaanxi, the dubbed "302" missile can be said as an ancestor of the HJ-8 missile.
 == Media ==

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 == Description ==
 <!--''Write an introduction to the article in 2-3 small paragraphs. Briefly tell us about the history of the development and combat using the weaponry and also about its features. Compile a list of air, ground, or naval vehicles that feature this weapon system in the game.''-->
-The '''302''' (302型反坦克导弹) with an unique numeric name that stands out among its counterparts was the first generation SACLOS anti-tank missile from early 1970s.
+The '''302''' (302型反坦克导弹) with an unique numeric name that stands out among its counterparts was the first generation SACLOS anti-tank missile from early 1970s of Mainland China.
 Being a part of the ambitious [https://wiki.warthunder.com/User:U4656018#WZ122_family-_Path_to_2nd_Generation_MBT Project 122] as the secondary weapon against the masses of Soviet armored corps for the earlier 122 Medium Tank prototypes as well as the ancestor of HJ-8s, although having subpar penetration and rather slow speed, 302 is still lethal to tanks without ERA or composite armor and good at finishing up crippled enemies.
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 === Comparison with analogues ===
 <!--''Give a comparative description of missiles that have firepower equal to this weapon.''-->
 * [[BGM-71 TOW]] (aside from TOW-2B)- much higher explosive content and penetration upon direct hit compare to 302.
 * [[9M113 Konkurs|9M113]]- very similar penetration stats but slight better than 302; higher explosive content and caliber.
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 == Usage in battles ==
 <!--''Describe situations when you would utilise this missile in-game (vehicle, pillbox, base, etc)''-->
-Although it has to be in a halt before launch upon enemies like many analogues of its tier, the penetration of 302 itself is mostly sufficient to knock down tanks of its era such as [[M48 Patton (Family)|Pattons]], [[M103|M103s]] or [[T-62 (Family)|T-62s]]; do note that the overall velocity and combat radius of 302 is not the highest among its analogue. If players are not confident of the shells from the cannon, 302 can take-down most targets within 2 shot; alternatively finishing off enemies who had been crippled by the 120 mm gun onboard of Project 122s since there's next to no safety distance between the missile and its fuze, but just in case for a safer set-off, anywhere more than 200 m is enough to let the missile to be in its designated flight path.
+Although it has to be in a halt before launch upon enemies like many analogues of its tier, the penetration of 302 itself is mostly sufficient to knock down tanks of its era such as [[M48 Patton (Family)|Pattons]], [[M103|M103s]] or [[T-62 (Family)|T-62s]]; do note that the overall velocity and combat radius of 302 is not the highest among its analogue. If players are not confident of the shells from the cannon, 302 can take-down most targets within 2 shot; alternatively finishing off enemies who had been crippled by the 120 mm gun onboard of Project 122s, beware of the ballistic drop after launch though - any targets over 200 m without obstructions can be easily defeated by the missile.
 === Pros and cons ===
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 '''Cons:'''
-* Relatively low penetration and speed for its rank
+* Relatively low penetration, explosive content and speed for its rank
 * Countered by ECCM equipped vehicles like [[AMX-30B2 BRENUS|AMX-30B2]]
 * Lacks of the firepower to penetrate ERA packs
 == History ==
-''Examine the history of the creation and combat usage of the weapon in more detail than in the introduction. If the historical reference turns out to be too long, take it to a separate article, taking a link to the article about the weapon and adding a block "/History" (example: <nowiki>https://wiki.warthunder.com/(Weapon-name)/History</nowiki>) and add a link to it here using the <code>main</code> template. Be sure to reference text and sources by using <code><nowiki><ref></ref></nowiki></code>, as well as adding them at the end of the article with <code><nowiki><references /></nowiki></code>.''
+Before the Project 122 medium tanks, there were in fact no ATGMs for PLAGF for more than a decade since 1960. Although there plans for the J-201 ATGM in 1962 developed by the future "Father of Hong Jian (红箭; red arrow)", Wang Xingzhi (王兴治), the missile was yet to be certified by 1970s and it was eventually ditched in favor for the better HJ-73; while Soviet Union was fond on "rocket tanks" which utilized their latest missile technology for anti-tank operations i.e [[IT-1]] or [[Object 775]], there were plans to upgrade tanks with ATGMs based on older tank platforms - which [[AMX-13 (HOT)]] is the result of such idea; as the Campaign 2-4 called for ambitious designs for vehicles included in this campaign, the earliest prototypes of Object 122 medium tanks also included 4 tubes of missiles welded onto the turret. Oddly enough, the team of engineers managed to create the earliest 2nd generation ATGM for the tank, dubbed "302" missile which utilized SACLOS guidance way before the official introduction of HJ-8 series in 1984 (Note: the development of HJ-8 was halted in 1970s until 1974 due to Cultural Revolution).
 == Media ==

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 == Description ==
-The 302 (302型反坦克导弹) with an unique numeric name that stands out among its counterparts was the first generation SACLOS anti-tank missile from early 1970s.
+<!--''Write an introduction to the article in 2-3 small paragraphs. Briefly tell us about the history of the development and combat using the weaponry and also about its features. Compile a list of air, ground, or naval vehicles that feature this weapon system in the game.''-->
 Being a part of the ambitious [https://wiki.warthunder.com/User:U4656018#WZ122_family-_Path_to_2nd_Generation_MBT Project 122] as the secondary weapon against the masses of Soviet armored corps for the earlier 122 Medium Tank prototypes as well as the ancestor of HJ-8s, although having subpar penetration and rather slow speed, 302 is still lethal to tanks without ERA or composite armor and good at finishing up crippled enemies.
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 == General info ==
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 ! colspan="2" |'''Missile characteristics'''
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 === Effective damage ===
 "302" does explosion damage upon hitting the surface of vehicles; with its HEAT warhead, it also causes splash damage to internal modules and crews of vehicles, alternatively the sheer explosion itself will cause overpressure damage to very light vehicles.
 === Comparison with analogues ===
-[[BGM-71 TOW]] (aside from TOW-2B)- much higher explosive content and penetration upon direct hit compare to 302.
+<!--''Give a comparative description of missiles that have firepower equal to this weapon.''-->
+* [[BGM-71 TOW]] (aside from TOW-2B)- much higher explosive content and penetration upon direct hit compare to 302.
-[[9M113 Konkurs|9M113]]- very similar penetration stats but slight better than 302; higher explosive content and caliber.
+* [[9M113 Konkurs|9M113]]- very similar penetration stats but slight better than 302; higher explosive content and caliber.
+* [[9M14]]/[[HJ-73]]- Soviet/ reverse-engineered ATGM; 302 has higher speed and penetration, as well as better guidance.
 == Usage in battles ==
 Although it has to be in a halt before launch upon enemies like many analogues of its tier, the penetration of 302 itself is mostly sufficient to knock down tanks of its era such as [[M48 Patton (Family)|Pattons]], [[M103|M103s]] or [[T-62 (Family)|T-62s]]; do note that the overall velocity and combat radius of 302 is not the highest among its analogue. If players are not confident of the shells from the cannon, 302 can take-down most targets within 2 shot; alternatively finishing off enemies who had been crippled by the 120 mm gun onboard of Project 122s since there's next to no safety distance between the missile and its fuze, but just in case for a safer set-off, anywhere more than 200 m is enough to let the missile to be in its designated flight path.
 === Pros and cons ===
 '''Pros:'''
-* Sufficiently high penetration for its tier
+* Sufficiently high penetration for its rank
 * SCALOS (mouse-controlled) missile for better accuracy
 '''Cons:'''
-* Relatively low penetration and speed for its tier
+* Relatively low penetration and speed for its rank
 * Countered by ECCM equipped vehicles like [[AMX-30B2 BRENUS|AMX-30B2]]
 * Lacks of the firepower to penetrate ERA packs
 == History ==