2 cm/65 C/30 (20 mm) - Revision history

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U27474208: Updated vehicle list, removed sidebar

2020-03-20T14:12:26Z

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U38088265: /* Vehicles equipped with this weapon */ Added

2020-01-30T13:02:33Z

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U27474208: Updated pen stats to 1.95 (HE pen unknown), comparison section to be updated later

2019-12-27T16:16:14Z

Updated pen stats to 1.95 (HE pen unknown), comparison section to be updated later

U27474208: Removed Type 1936B, Nürnberg

2019-12-17T12:41:13Z

Removed Type 1936B, Nürnberg

U27474208: Renamed gun and references to other renamed guns. Removed redirect links. Removed references to C/38 (20 mm)

2019-12-17T12:24:26Z

Renamed gun and references to other renamed guns. Removed redirect links. Removed references to C/38 (20 mm)

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 {{notice|Not all belts listed are available on all vehicles equipped with this weapon.}}
-{| class="wikitable sortable" style="text-align:center" width="100%"
+{{:{{PAGENAME}}/Ammunition|HEF-T, HEF, AP-T, AP}}
 === Comparison with analogues ===

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−	[[File:MG_C30.png\|thumbnail\|right\|x250px\|The 2 cm/65 C/30 on [[~~R-boot~~ R-130]].]]	+	[[File:MG_C30.png\|thumbnail\|right\|x250px\|The 2 cm/65 C/30 on the [[R-130]].]]

	== Description ==		== Description ==

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 * Below average muzzle velocity
 * Slow rate of fire
-* Small magazine size, 20 rounds
+* Small magazine size (20 rounds)
 == History ==
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 * [[2 cm/65 C/38 (20 mm)]]
-* [[Oerlikon Mk.II (20 mm)]]
+* [[20 mm/70 Oerlikon Mk.II (20 mm)]]
 * [[2 cm/65 Flakzwilling 38 (20 mm)]]
 * [[2 cm/65 Flakvierling 38 (20 mm)]]
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 <!-- ''Paste links to sources and external resources, such as:''
 * ''topic on the official game forum;''
 * ''other literature.'' -->
-* [https://www.lonesentry.com/ordnance/2-cm-flak-30-antiaircraft-gun.html Lone Sentry - 2 cm Flak 30: Antiaircraft Gun] - Originally published as ''Catalog of Enemy Ordnance Material'', United States Office of the Chief of Ordnance, 1945, p. 135
+* [https://www.lonesentry.com/ordnance/2010/09/12/2-cm-flak-30-antiaircraft-gun/ Lone Sentry - 2 cm Flak 30: Antiaircraft Gun] - Originally published as ''Catalog of Enemy Ordnance Material'', United States Office of the Chief of Ordnance, 1945, p. 135
 * [http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WNGER_20mm-65_c30.php NavWeaps - 2 cm/65 (0.79") C/30 and C/38 AA MG]
-* [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2_cm_Flak_30/38/Flakvierling Wikipedia - 2 cm Flak 30/38/Flakvierling]
+* [[wikipedia:2_cm_Flak_30,_Flak_38_and_Flakvierling_38|[Wikipedia] 2 cm Flak 30, Flak 38 and Flakvierling 38]]
 {{Germany naval cannons}}
 [[Category:Naval cannons]]

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 === Vehicles equipped with this weapon ===
 <!-- ''List out vehicles that are equipped with the weapon.'' -->
-* {{Specs-Link|germ_rboot_r41}}
-* {{Specs-Link|germ_rboot_r130}}
+{{Navigation-Start|Vehicles equipped with this weapon}}
-* {{Specs-Link|germ_s38}}
-* {{Specs-Link|germ_s38b}}
+{{Navigation-First-Line|'''Motor torpedo boats'''}}{{Specs-Link|germ_s38}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|germ_s38b}}
-* {{Specs-Link|germ_destroyer_class1924_jaguar1941}}
-* {{Specs-Link|germ_destroyer_class1934a_1944}}
+{{Navigation-Line|'''Motor gun boats'''}}{{Specs-Link|germ_rboot_r41}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|germ_rboot_r130}}
-* {{Specs-Link|germ_cruiser_admiral_graf_spee}}
-* {{Specs-Link|germ_cruiser_koln}}
+{{Navigation-Line|'''Destroyers'''}}{{Specs-Link|germ_destroyer_class1924_jaguar1941}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|germ_destroyer_class1934a_1944}}
-* {{Specs-Link|germ_cruiser_leipzig}}
-* {{Specs-Link|germ_cruiser_prinz_eugen}}
+{{Navigation-Line|'''Light cruisers'''}}{{Specs-Link|germ_cruiser_karlsruhe}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|germ_cruiser_koln}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|germ_cruiser_leipzig}}
 == General info ==

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 {{DISPLAYTITLE:2 cm/65 C/30 (20 mm)}}
 <div class="ttx">
   <div class="ttx-title">2 cm/65 C/30</div>
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   </div>
 </div>
 == Description ==
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 * {{Specs-Link|germ_cruiser_admiral_graf_spee}}
 * {{Specs-Link|germ_cruiser_koln}}
 * {{Specs-Link|germ_cruiser_prinz_eugen}}

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 ! 10 m !! 100 m !! 500 m !! 1,000 m !! 1,500 m !! 2,000 m
 |-
-| AP-T || 46 || 45 || 33 || 23 || 15 || 11
+| AP-T || 40 || 38 || 31 || 26 || 22 || 19
 |-
-| AP || 46 || 45 || 33 || 23 || 15 || 11
+| AP || 40 || 38 || 31 || 26 || 22 || 19
 |-
-| HEF-T || 10 || 7.5 || 7.5 || 7.5 || 6 || 6
+| HEF-T || _ || _ || _ || _ || _ || _
 |-
-| HEF || 10 || 7.5 || 7.5 || 7.5 || 6 || 6
+| HEF || _ || _ || _ || _ || _ || _
 |-
 |}

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 * {{Specs-Link|germ_s38b|short}}
 * {{Specs-Link|germ_destroyer_class1934a_1944|short}}
 * {{Specs-Link|germ_cruiser_koln|short}}
 == General info ==

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-{{DISPLAYTITLE:MG C/30 (20 mm)}}
+{{DISPLAYTITLE:2 cm/65 C/30 (20 mm)}}
 <div class="ttx">
-  <div class="ttx-title">20 mm MG C/30</div>
+  <div class="ttx-title">2 cm/65 C/30</div>
   <div class="ttx-image">[[File:MG_C30.png]]</div>
   <div class="ttx-table">
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 == Description ==
 <!--''Write an introduction to the article in 2-3 small paragraphs. Briefly tell us about the history of the development and combat using the weaponry and also about its features. Compile a list of air, ground, or naval vehicles that feature this weapon system in the game.''-->
-The 20 mm MG C/30 is a German WWII light naval anti-aircraft cannon found on many motor torpedo boats, minesweepers, destroyers, and cruisers throughout the German naval tech tree. An army version, [[KwK30 (20 mm)]], can be found as the main armament of [[Pz.II C]] and [[Pz.II C (DAK)]], and an experimental version modified for aircraft usage, [[MG C/30L (20 mm)]], can be found mounted on [[He 112 A-0]]. An improved version, [[MG C/38 (20 mm)]] and [[C/38 (20 mm)]], can also be found on many German naval vessels, with both guns often found on the same vessel.
+The 2 cm/65 C/30 is a German WWII light naval anti-aircraft cannon found on many motor torpedo boats, minesweepers, destroyers, and cruisers throughout the German naval tech tree. An army version, [[KwK30 (20 mm)]], can be found as the main armament of [[Pz.II C]] and [[Pz.II C (DAK)]], and an experimental version modified for aircraft usage, [[MG C/30L (20 mm)]], can be found mounted on [[He 112 A-0]]. An improved version, [[2 cm/65 C/38 (20 mm)]], can also be found on many German naval vessels, with both guns often found on the same vessel.
 === Vehicles equipped with this weapon ===
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 == General info ==
 <!--''Tell us about the tactical and technical characteristics of the cannon or machine gun.''-->
-The 20 mm MG C/30 has a barrel diameter of 20 mm, a barrel length of 1.300 m, and weighs 64 kg. It has a magazine size of 20 rounds and has a rate of fire of 312 rounds per minute.
+The 2 cm/65 C/30 has a barrel diameter of 20 mm, a barrel length of 1.300 m, and weighs 64 kg. It has a magazine size of 20 rounds and has a rate of fire of 312 rounds per minute.
 === Available ammunition ===
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 * [[MG 151 (20 mm)|MG 151/20 (20 mm)]]: MG 151/20 has a larger belt size (600 rounds) and a much greater rate of fire (700 rpm); but it has a weaker AP shell (25 mmm max penetration) with a slower muzzle velocity (705 m/s), and it can overheat if fired for too long.
-* [[MG C/38 (20 mm)]]: An improved 20 mm MG C/30, it has a larger magazine size (40 rounds) and has a greater rate of fire (420 rpm).
+* [[2 cm/65 C/38 (20 mm)]]: An improved C/30, it has a larger magazine size (40 rounds) and has a greater rate of fire (480 rpm). The same ammunition is used.
-* [[C/38 (20 mm)]]: 20 mm MG C/38 with a different name, it has a larger magazine size (40 rounds) and has a greater rate of fire (420 rpm).
+* [[2 cm/65 Flakzwilling 38 (20 mm)]]: A twin C/38 mount, each gun has a larger magazine size (40 rounds) and has a greater rate of fire (500 rpm). The same ammunition is used.
-* [[Flakzwilling 38 (20 mm)]]: A twin MG C/38 mount, each gun has a larger magazine size (40 rounds) and has a greater rate of fire (500 rpm).
+* [[2 cm/65 Flakvierling 38 (20 mm)]]: A quadruple C/38 mount, each gun has a larger magazine size (40 rounds) and has a greater rate of fire (480 rpm). The same ammunition is used.
 Common 20 mm guns in other nations include:
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 == Usage in battles ==
 <!--''Describe the cannon/machine gun in the game - its distinctive features, tactics of usage against notable opponents. Please don't write a "guide" - do not impose a single point of view, but give the reader food for thought.''-->
-With a very large TNT equivalent explosive mass compared to other guns of a similar calibre, the 20 mm MG C/30 is an excellent weapon for destroying enemy patrol boats, especially in tier I. The only things that hold it back are its small magazine size and slow rate of fire. If firing with only one gun, despite the high damage of each hit, 20 rounds are often not enough to destroy enemy boats. Luckily, all boats armed with the 20 mm MG C/30 either also have more than one, or also have the improved variant, MG C/38. Boats with MG/30 as their main armament should angle to bring as many of them on target as possible, to guarantee that the enemy is destroyed before having to reload.
+With a very large TNT equivalent explosive mass compared to other guns of a similar calibre, the 2 cm/65 C/30 is an excellent weapon for destroying enemy patrol boats, especially in tier I. The only things that hold it back are its small magazine size and slow rate of fire. If firing with only one gun, despite the high damage of each hit, 20 rounds are often not enough to destroy enemy boats. Luckily, all boats armed with the 2 cm/65 C/30 either also have more than one, or also have the improved variant, 2 cm/65 C/38. Boats with C/30 as their main armament should angle to bring as many of them on target as possible, to guarantee that the enemy is destroyed before having to reload.
-The effective range of the 20 mm MG C/30 is approximately 2.00 km with the 20 mm HET belt, though if using the 20 mm APT belt, the effect range can be increased to roughly 2.30 km. Even so, hitting moving targets at such ranges can be difficult because of the relatively low muzzle velocity and the small mass of the rounds. Boats armed with 20 mm MG C/30 should instead aim to close the distance where they can overwhelm enemy boats with their firepower.
+The effective range of the 2 cm/65 C/30 is approximately 2.00 km with the 20 mm HET belt, though if using the 20 mm APT belt, the effect range can be increased to roughly 2.30 km. Even so, hitting moving targets at such ranges can be difficult because of the relatively low muzzle velocity and the small mass of the rounds. Boats armed with 2 cm/65 C/30 should instead aim to close the distance where they can overwhelm enemy boats with their firepower.
-The primary belt choice for this gun should be the 20 mm HET belt since it contains the highest HE:AP ratio. Several 20 APT belts should also be taken to deal with armoured targets, primarily USSR armoured river patrol boats. For destroyers and cruisers armed with 20 mm MG C/30, if the option is available, only take 20 mm HET, since the main guns can handle any armoured targets much better.
+The primary belt choice for this gun should be the 20 mm HET belt since it contains the highest HE:AP ratio. Several 20 APT belts should also be taken to deal with armoured targets, primarily USSR armoured river patrol boats. For destroyers and cruisers armed with 2 cm/65 C/30, if the option is available, only take 20 mm HET, since the main guns can handle any armoured targets much better.
 === Pros and cons ===
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 * ''references to approximate analogues by other nations and research trees.''-->
-* [[MG C/38 (20 mm)]]
+* [[2 cm/65 C/38 (20 mm)]]
 * [[Oerlikon Mk.II (20 mm)]]
 == External links ==