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‎Description

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Revised most of the information because of the updated modules, for pros and cons + notes to ammo rack (only 1 now), also added an image of the rack

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‎Mobility

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‎Ammo racks: Updated

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‎Description

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	It was introduced in [[Update "Fire and Ice"]]. Built on the [[BMP-3]] platform, the 2S38 was an attempt to transform the platform into a self-propelled anti-aircraft gun with a 57 mm autocannon and a tracking system capable of fighting low-flying aircraft. In the game, the rapid-firing 57 mm autocannon allows the 2S38 to engage a wide range of enemies from tanks to fighter jets while maintaining the same profile and mobility of the original BMP-3. The 57 mm autocannon of the 2S38, paired with both APFSDS and APHE ammunition, can prove extremely deadly in good flanking manoeuvres, even the APHE shells can penetrate lightly armoured targets from the front like the Leopard 1, and several IFVs. Also, its good fire rate and accuracy makes the 2S38 a very deadly light tank; however, as with all light tanks, the armour is not enough to stop high calibre projectiles, but it's still enough to stop up to 14.5 mm shots from all sides.		It was introduced in [[Update "Fire and Ice"]]. Built on the [[BMP-3]] platform, the 2S38 was an attempt to transform the platform into a self-propelled anti-aircraft gun with a 57 mm autocannon and a tracking system capable of fighting low-flying aircraft. In the game, the rapid-firing 57 mm autocannon allows the 2S38 to engage a wide range of enemies from tanks to fighter jets while maintaining the same profile and mobility of the original BMP-3. The 57 mm autocannon of the 2S38, paired with both APFSDS and APHE ammunition, can prove extremely deadly in good flanking manoeuvres, even the APHE shells can penetrate lightly armoured targets from the front like the Leopard 1, and several IFVs. Also, its good fire rate and accuracy makes the 2S38 a very deadly light tank; however, as with all light tanks, the armour is not enough to stop high calibre projectiles, but it's still enough to stop up to 14.5 mm shots from all sides.
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−	~~The 2s38 is also the most unbalance vehicle in war thunder. The vehicle never enter service like Ho-Ri because it's only a prototype~~

	== General info ==		== General info ==

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	It was introduced in [[Update "Fire and Ice"]]. Built on the [[BMP-3]] platform, the 2S38 was an attempt to transform the platform into a self-propelled anti-aircraft gun with a 57 mm autocannon and a tracking system capable of fighting low-flying aircraft. In the game, the rapid-firing 57 mm autocannon allows the 2S38 to engage a wide range of enemies from tanks to fighter jets while maintaining the same profile and mobility of the original BMP-3. The 57 mm autocannon of the 2S38, paired with both APFSDS and APHE ammunition, can prove extremely deadly in good flanking manoeuvres, even the APHE shells can penetrate lightly armoured targets from the front like the Leopard 1, and several IFVs. Also, its good fire rate and accuracy makes the 2S38 a very deadly light tank; however, as with all light tanks, the armour is not enough to stop high calibre projectiles, but it's still enough to stop up to 14.5 mm shots from all sides.		It was introduced in [[Update "Fire and Ice"]]. Built on the [[BMP-3]] platform, the 2S38 was an attempt to transform the platform into a self-propelled anti-aircraft gun with a 57 mm autocannon and a tracking system capable of fighting low-flying aircraft. In the game, the rapid-firing 57 mm autocannon allows the 2S38 to engage a wide range of enemies from tanks to fighter jets while maintaining the same profile and mobility of the original BMP-3. The 57 mm autocannon of the 2S38, paired with both APFSDS and APHE ammunition, can prove extremely deadly in good flanking manoeuvres, even the APHE shells can penetrate lightly armoured targets from the front like the Leopard 1, and several IFVs. Also, its good fire rate and accuracy makes the 2S38 a very deadly light tank; however, as with all light tanks, the armour is not enough to stop high calibre projectiles, but it's still enough to stop up to 14.5 mm shots from all sides.
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		+	The 2s38 is also the most unbalance vehicle in war thunder. The vehicle never enter service like Ho-Ri because it's only a prototype

	== General info ==		== General info ==

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 * Tracks are 15 mm thick, suspention and it's wheels are both 10 mm thick.
 * Hatches are 18 + 20 mm (81°) thick.
-* At the rear there is a 100 mm thick log.
+* At the rear there is a 100 mm thick log, but it does not provide any real protection
 === Mobility ===
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 The 57 mm 2A90 is a dual-purpose autocannon and can allow players to use it in both an anti-tank and anti-aircraft gun. While its top penetration for the anti-tank role is not ideal, with a point-blank penetration of 225 mm with the ''3UBM22'' APFSDS rounds, the rapid fire nature of the 57 mm gun means that quick follow-up shot from the first successful penetration can cripple, if not destroy, the enemy tank.
-If firing at a tank's side armour, firing the ''BR-281'' APCBC round with explosive filler can be considered to absolutely devastate the enemy interior with fewer shots. It would trade maximum penetration of the round, so it is up to player preference on which ammunition to useif aiming at tank side armour.
+If firing at a tank's side armour, firing the ''BR-281U'' APCBC round with explosive filler can be considered to absolutely devastate the enemy interior with fewer shots and can destroy enemy units by aiming at weak, external spots (cupolas). It would trade maximum penetration of the round for destructive power, so it is up to player preference on which ammunition to use aiming at tank side armour.
 {| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="100%"
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 ==== Ammunition ====
 {{:2A90 (57 mm)/Ammunition|BR-281U, OR-281U, 3UBM22, 3UO8}}
 ==== [[Ammo racks]] ====
-[[File:Ammoracks_{{PAGENAME}}.png|right|thumb|x250px|[[Ammo racks]] of the {{PAGENAME}}]]
+<!-- '''Last updated: 2.37.0.22'' -->
 {| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
 |-
 ! Full<br>ammo
 ! Visual<br>discrepancy
 |-
-| '''148''' || 79&nbsp;''(+69)'' || 21&nbsp;''(+127)'' || 1&nbsp;''(+147)'' || No
+| '''148''' || Y/N (See note 1)
 |-
 |}
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 * As they are modeled by sets of 2 or 3, shells disappear from the rack only after you've fired all shells in the set.
-* Rack 3 (autoloader magazine) is a first stage ammo rack. It totals 20 shells.
+* As the {{PAGENAME}} is equipped with an autoloader, manual reloading of the gun is not possible.
-** This rack gets filled first when loading up the tank and is also emptied first.
+* The restocking time is longer than the normal reload time of the gun. Take this into account when playing.
-** As the {{PAGENAME}} is equipped with an autoloader, manual reloading of the gun is not possible.
+* There is only 1 ammo rack, which is the mechanized ammo rack. Thus, all ammo is ready to be loaded.
-** Once the autoloader magazine has been depleted, you can't shoot until the loader has restocked the autoloader with at least 1 shell.
+* A damaged or destroyed power system increases the time to reloading rate (around 1 second when destroyed), but can be restored to full function
-** The restocking time is longer than the normal reload time of the gun. Take this into account when playing.
+* Destruction of the autoloader disables reloading of the cannon until it is repaired
 === Machine guns ===
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 == Usage in battles ==
 <!-- ''Describe the tactics of playing in the vehicle, the features of using vehicles in the team and advice on tactics. Refrain from creating a "guide" - do not impose a single point of view but instead give the reader food for thought. Describe the most dangerous enemies and give recommendations on fighting them. If necessary, note the specifics of the game in different modes (AB, RB, SB).'' -->
-The 2S38 is played like a standard light tank: use your mobility and speed to flank enemies, and your gun is powerful enough to penetrate most tank's side and back armour. The gun has a very short reload time, at an astounding 0.5 s. The 2S38 has proximity-fused HE shells, allowing it to fire at helicopters and other aircraft to some effect.
+The 2S38 is played like a standard light tank: use your mobility and speed to flank enemies, and your gun is powerful enough to penetrate most tank's side and back armour. The gun has a very short reload time for its class (57mm) at an astounding 0.5s, letting you fire a few shots before the enemy can turn around and counterattack, that is if they aren't already heavily damaged or crippled. The 2S38 also has proximity-fused HE shells, allowing it to fire at helicopters and other aircraft to great effect because of its firerate, but also has an IRST system that can track air targets with a lead circle, turning the 2S38 into a jack-of-all-trades light tank. Because of the only and autoloaded ammo rack, you can fire many shots with the only consequence of overheating. The 2S38 also has great optics for its with gunner and commander thermals coupled with decent sight zoom.  The decently high gun with the slim turret profile can help greatly when shooting over cover. All of these factors can make the 2S38 one of the best multirole ground vehicles in War Thunder. A shot to the rear is still going to damage the vehicle modules, but atleast the engine is low enough it can be damaged little.
 === Pros and cons ===
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 '''Pros:'''
-* Extremely fast reload
+* Extremely fast reload at 0.5 seconds for the 57mm
 * High mobility
 * IRST target tracking system and HE-VT round allow for good anti-air capability
 * Unmanned turret means it can get hit and not suffer crew losses
 * APCBC is great for other IFVs, SPAAs, MBT sides, and APFSDS is good for almost all frontal armour for MBTs
 '''Cons:'''
-* Weak armour
+* Weak armour, can be 12.7mm'd to the sides at close range
-* High rate of fire depletes ammo rather quickly
+* Terrible post-penetration survivability, almost every aspect of the 2S38 can be disabled if lucky enough to even survive the shot. Plus, no reliable cover (engine, RHA) for the crew, only protected by fuel tanks that are prone to exploding or catching fire.
-* All crew in the front so knock-outs are common
+* Can overheat the cannon at prolonged periods of fire, but easily avoidable
 * Fuel tank explodes very easily
 == History ==

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 The {{PAGENAME}} drives like the BMP-3. Namely, it is fast and accelerates well even in cross-country terrain. Travelling on long-distance maps will not be an issue for the {{PAGENAME}}. The only significant difference is that the {{PAGENAME}} weights about 2.8 t more than the BMP-3, and so the small weight difference may affect the fine acceleration and forward momentum, but not by much.
-{{tankMobility}}
+{{tankMobility|abMinHp=775|rbMinHp=442}}
 === Modifications and economy ===
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 {| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="100%"
 |-
-! colspan="6" | [[2A90 (57 mm)|57 mm 2A90]] || colspan="5" | Turret rotation speed (°/s) || colspan="4" | Reloading rate (seconds)
+! colspan="6" | [[2A90 (57 mm)|57 mm 2A90]] || colspan="5" | Turret rotation speed (°/s) || Reloading rate (seconds)
 |-
 ! Mode !! Capacity !! Fire rate !! Vertical !! Horizontal !! Stabilizer
 ! Stock !! Upgraded !! Full !! Expert !! Aced
-! Stock !! Full !! Expert !! Aced
+! Autoloader
 |-
 ! ''Arcade''
-| rowspan="2" | 148 || rowspan="2" | 120 || rowspan="2" | -5°/+75° || rowspan="2" | ±180° || rowspan="2" | Two-plane || 57.1 || 79.1 || 96.0 || 106.2 || 113.0 || rowspan="2" | 0.50 || rowspan="2" | 0.50 || rowspan="2" | 0.50 || rowspan="2" | 0.50
+| rowspan="2" | 148 || rowspan="2" | 120 || rowspan="2" | -5°/+75° || rowspan="2" | ±180° || rowspan="2" | Two-plane || 57.1 || 79.1 || 96.0 || 106.2 || 113.0 || rowspan="2" | 0.50
 |-
 ! ''Realistic''
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 ==== Ammunition ====
-{{:2A90 (57 mm)/Ammunition|BR-281, OR-281U, 3UBM22, 3UO8}}
+{{:2A90 (57 mm)/Ammunition|BR-281U, OR-281U, 3UBM22, 3UO8}}
 ==== [[Ammo racks]] ====
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 ! Mount !! Capacity (Belt) !! Fire rate !! Vertical !! Horizontal
 |-
-| Coaxial || 750 (250) || 700 || N/A || N/A
+| Coaxial || 750 (250) || 700 || - || -
 |-
 |}

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 * Weak armour
 * High rate of fire depletes ammo rather quickly
 * All crew in the front so knock-outs are common

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 {{Specs-Card
 |code=ussr_2s38
-|images={{Specs-Card-Image|GarageImage_{{PAGENAME}}.jpg}}
+|images={{Specs-Card-Image|GarageImage_{{PAGENAME}}.jpg|ArtImage_{{PAGENAME}}.png}}
 }}

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 == Description ==
 <!-- ''In the description, the first part should be about the history of the creation and combat usage of the vehicle, as well as its key features. In the second part, tell the reader about the ground vehicle in the game. Insert a screenshot of the vehicle, so that if the novice player does not remember the vehicle by name, he will immediately understand what kind of vehicle the article is talking about.'' -->
-Originally, the 2S38 was designed as a technology demonstrator, but it was chosen as a possible replacement for the 2S6 Tunguska adopted in the 1980s. The vehicle, is based in the [[BMP-3]] platform, but fitted with the equipment and armament to lock and engage low flying aircrafts like helicopters, CAS aircrafts or even large calibre rockets/missiles, according to the it's manufacturer. The vehicle is operated by 3 crewmembers, in a single room, since it uses a remotely controled turret for it's 57mm cannon. By 2020 the vehicle it is still in very low numbers and slowly being adopted into the military.
+Originally designed as a technology demonstrator, the 2S38 was chosen as a possible replacement for the 2S6 Tunguska adopted in the 1980s. The vehicle was based on the [[BMP-3]] platform, but fitted with the equipment and armament to lock and engage low-flying aircraft like helicopters, CAS, or even large calibre rockets/missiles. The vehicle is operated by 3 crewmembers, in a single compartment, since it uses a remote-controlled turret for its 57 mm cannon. As of 2020, the vehicle is still in very low numbers and slowly being adopted into the military.
-It was introduced in [[Update "Fire and Ice"]]. Built on the [[BMP-3]] platform, the 2S38 was an attempt to transform the platform into a self-propelled anti-aircraft gun with a 57 mm autocannon and a tracking system capable of fighting low-flying aircraft. In the game, the rapid-firing 57 mm autocannon allows the 2S38 to engage a wide range of enemies from tanks to fighter jets while maintaining the same profile and mobility of the original BMP-3. The 57mm autocannon of the 2S38, paired with both APFSDS and APHE ammunition can prove extremely deadly in good flanking manoeuvres, even the APHE shells can penetrate from the front low armoured targets like the Leopard 1, and several IFVs. Also, it's good fire rate and accuracy, makes the 2S38 a very deadly light tank, however as all light tanks the armour is not enough to stop high caliber projectiles, but it's still enough to stop up to 14.5mm shots from all sides.
+It was introduced in [[Update "Fire and Ice"]]. Built on the [[BMP-3]] platform, the 2S38 was an attempt to transform the platform into a self-propelled anti-aircraft gun with a 57 mm autocannon and a tracking system capable of fighting low-flying aircraft. In the game, the rapid-firing 57 mm autocannon allows the 2S38 to engage a wide range of enemies from tanks to fighter jets while maintaining the same profile and mobility of the original BMP-3. The 57 mm autocannon of the 2S38, paired with both APFSDS and APHE ammunition, can prove extremely deadly in good flanking manoeuvres, even the APHE shells can penetrate lightly armoured targets from the front like the Leopard 1, and several IFVs. Also, its good fire rate and accuracy makes the 2S38 a very deadly light tank; however, as with all light tanks, the armour is not enough to stop high calibre projectiles, but it's still enough to stop up to 14.5 mm shots from all sides.
 == General info ==
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 Overall, the 2S38 is favored comparatively to the BMP-3 in terms of being able to survive the first shot while also retaining the ability to fire back at the offending opponent.
 '''Armour type:'''
 * ABT-102 alloy - Hull and turret
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 * Tracks are 15 mm thick, suspention and it's wheels are both 10 mm thick.
 * Hatches are 18 + 20 mm (81°) thick.
 * At the rear there is a 100 mm thick log.