2C - Revision history

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U38088265: /* Machine guns */

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‎Machine guns

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‎See also

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‎Description

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Minor updates

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New Description Project - France Priority: Tanks - Char 2C

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 The '''Char 2C''' is a French heavy tank that was eventually designated as a super-heavy tank. It was developed during World War I but did not enter service until after the war was over. In terms of overall volume or physical dimensions, it was the largest operational tank ever built during World War I. The Char 2C was the first super-heavy tank to enter service; purposely designed to be significantly larger than conventional tanks at the time. When fully equipped, the Char 2C weighed 69 tonnes, due in part to its armour, which was among the thickest of World War I tanks, but also to its vast size. The tank required a crew of twelve to operate: a driver, commander, gunner, loader, four machine gunners, a mechanic, electrician, assistant-electrician/mechanic, and a radio operator. Some sources suggest thirteen, most likely on the basis of photos of crews that probably included the company commander.
-The sheer size of the tank, along with the fact that it was designed and built by the FCM shipyard, resulted into the French ceremoniously treating it as a "landship", even christening all of the ten 2Cs that were built after the ancient regions of France. While certainly a groundbreaking design at the time of the Great War, the 2C became completely obsolete by 1930s, with [[2C bis|an attempt to upgun the tank with a 155 mm howitzer]] resulted into failure. Despite this, they were still in service by the time World War II break out due to their propaganda values, with their frequent appearance in various war movies at that time resulting into the public believing it to be an unstoppable behemoth. However, this would later backfired as during the Battle of France in 1940, the French Army were forced to destroy almost all of the 2C due to fears of having their supposedly invincible tanks to fall into the German hands. Nevertheless, one of the tank named ''Champagne'' was captured by the Germans intact and sent back to Berlin to be displayed as a war trophy, until it mysteriously disappeared in 1948.
+The sheer size of the tank, along with the fact that it was designed and built by the FCM shipyard, resulted in the French ceremoniously treating it as a "land ship", even christening all of the ten 2Cs that were built after the ancient regions of France. While certainly a groundbreaking design at the time of the Great War, the 2C became completely obsolete by the 1930s, with [[2C bis|an attempt to upgun the tank with a 155 mm howitzer]] failing. Despite this, they were still in service by the time World War II broke out due to their propaganda values, with their frequent appearance in various war movies at that time resulting in the public believing it to be an unstoppable behemoth. However, this would later backfire as during the Battle of France in 1940, the French Army was forced to destroy almost all of the 2C due to fears of having their supposedly invincible tanks fall into the German hands. Nevertheless, one of the tanks named ''Champagne'' was captured by the Germans intact and sent back to Berlin to be displayed as a war trophy, until it mysteriously disappeared in 1948.
 Introduced in [[Update "Sky Guardians"]], the Char 2C should be utilized as a breakthrough tank since it is too slow to flank and has a low muzzle velocity main armament to engage distant targets. Its ammunition is powerful enough to knock out practically anything at close range, making it perfect for open-topped and lightly armoured vehicles. Despite its strong on-paper statistics, the Char 2C will struggle to penetrate other heavy tanks. Light tanks from the enemy are equally lethal. They may easily flank around the battlefield and engage you when you are not expecting it due to their great speed. To avoid being isolated and overrun by adversaries, it is critical to always be close to teammates.

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 The '''Char 2C''' is a French heavy tank that was eventually designated as a super-heavy tank. It was developed during World War I but did not enter service until after the war was over. In terms of overall volume or physical dimensions, it was the largest operational tank ever built during World War I. The Char 2C was the first super-heavy tank to enter service; purposely designed to be significantly larger than conventional tanks at the time. When fully equipped, the Char 2C weighed 69 tonnes, due in part to its armour, which was among the thickest of World War I tanks, but also to its vast size. The tank required a crew of twelve to operate: a driver, commander, gunner, loader, four machine gunners, a mechanic, electrician, assistant-electrician/mechanic, and a radio operator. Some sources suggest thirteen, most likely on the basis of photos of crews that probably included the company commander.
 Introduced in [[Update "Sky Guardians"]], the Char 2C should be utilized as a breakthrough tank since it is too slow to flank and has a low muzzle velocity main armament to engage distant targets. Its ammunition is powerful enough to knock out practically anything at close range, making it perfect for open-topped and lightly armoured vehicles. Despite its strong on-paper statistics, the Char 2C will struggle to penetrate other heavy tanks. Light tanks from the enemy are equally lethal. They may easily flank around the battlefield and engage you when you are not expecting it due to their great speed. To avoid being isolated and overrun by adversaries, it is critical to always be close to teammates.

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 === Machine guns ===
 {{Specs-Tank-Weapon|2}}
 <!-- ''Offensive and anti-aircraft machine guns not only allow you to fight some aircraft but also are effective against lightly armoured vehicles. Evaluate machine guns and give recommendations on its use.'' -->
 {{main|Hotchkiss Mle 1914 (8 mm)}}
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 ! Mount !! Capacity (Belt) !! Fire rate !! Vertical !! Horizontal
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-| Bow || 5,000 (150) || 600 rpm || __° || __°
+| Bow || 5,000 (250) || 450 || ±10° || ±10°
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-| Rear turret || 5,000 (150) || ___ || __° || __°
+| Rear turret || 5,000 (250) || 450 || -5°/+10° || -130°/+120°
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 * ''links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.'' -->
-;Related development
+;<nowiki>Related development:</nowiki>
 * [[2C bis]]
 == External links ==

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 == Description ==
 <!-- ''In the description, the first part should be about the history of the creation and combat usage of the vehicle, as well as its key features. In the second part, tell the reader about the ground vehicle in the game. Insert a screenshot of the vehicle, so that if the novice player does not remember the vehicle by name, he will immediately understand what kind of vehicle the article is talking about.'' -->
-The '''Char 2C''' is a French heavy tank developed after World War I that was eventually designated as a super-heavy tank. It was developed during World War I but did not enter service until after the war was over. In terms of overall volume or physical dimensions, it was the largest operational tank ever built during World War I. The Char 2C was the first super-heavy tank to enter service; a super-heavy tank is one that was purposely designed to be significantly larger than conventional tanks at the time. When fully equipped, the Char 2C weighed 69 tonnes, due in part to its armour, which was among the thickest of World War I tanks, but also to its vast size. The tank required a crew of twelve to operate: a driver, commander, gunner, loader, four machine gunners, a mechanic, electrician, assistant-electrician/mechanic, and a radio operator. Some sources suggest thirteen, most likely on the basis of photos of crews that probably included the company commander.
+The '''Char 2C''' is a French heavy tank that was eventually designated as a super-heavy tank. It was developed during World War I but did not enter service until after the war was over. In terms of overall volume or physical dimensions, it was the largest operational tank ever built during World War I. The Char 2C was the first super-heavy tank to enter service; purposely designed to be significantly larger than conventional tanks at the time. When fully equipped, the Char 2C weighed 69 tonnes, due in part to its armour, which was among the thickest of World War I tanks, but also to its vast size. The tank required a crew of twelve to operate: a driver, commander, gunner, loader, four machine gunners, a mechanic, electrician, assistant-electrician/mechanic, and a radio operator. Some sources suggest thirteen, most likely on the basis of photos of crews that probably included the company commander.
-Introduced in [[Update "Sky Guardians"]], the Char 2C should be utilized as a breakthrough tank since it is too slow to flank and has a low muzzle velocity main armament to engage distant targets. Its ammunition is powerful enough to knock out practically anything at close range, making it perfect for open-topped and lightly armoured vehicles. Despite its strong on-paper statistics, the Char 2C will struggle to penetrate other heavy tanks. Light tanks from the enemy are equally lethal. They may easily flank around the battlefield and engage you when you are not expecting it due to their great speed. To avoid being isolated and overrun by adversaries, it is critical to always be close to teammates.
+Introduced in [[Update "Sky Guardians"]], the Char 2C should be utilized as a breakthrough tank since it is too slow to flank and has a low muzzle velocity main armament to engage distant targets. Its ammunition is powerful enough to knock out practically anything at close range, making it perfect for open-topped and lightly armoured vehicles. Despite its strong on-paper statistics, the Char 2C will struggle to penetrate other heavy tanks. Light tanks from the enemy are equally lethal. They may easily flank around the battlefield and engage you when you are not expecting it due to their great speed. To avoid being isolated and overrun by adversaries, it is critical to always be close to teammates.
 == General info ==
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 {{Specs-Tank-Armour}}
 <!-- ''Describe armour protection. Note the most well protected and key weak areas. Appreciate the layout of modules as well as the number and location of crew members. Is the level of armour protection sufficient, is the placement of modules helpful for survival in combat? If necessary use a visual template to indicate the most secure and weak zones of the armour.'' -->
 Armour protection is mediocre, at best. The frontal armour will do little to stop standard guns like the American 37 mm or the Soviet 45 mm, and the sides are vulnerable to autocannons or even the infamous M2 Browning at close ranges. What you do have, however, is a whopping 12 crewmen, which means that even if your main crew has been disintegrated, you are still in the fight as long as you don't get ammo-racked.
 '''Armour type:'''
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 {{Specs-Tank-Mobility}}
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 The mobility of the 2C is sluggish; you will have little chance capturing points at the start. The 2C does have an electric transmission, giving it the benefit of being able to quickly reverse from a bad situation instead of needing to turn 180 degrees like most tanks.
 {{tankMobility|abMinHp=646|rbMinHp=442}}
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 {{main|Hotchkiss Mle 1914 (8 mm)}}
 The two machine guns on the 2C are of dubious utility. The front one has limited traverse arcs by virtue of being bow-mounted, so its use is limited to whatever you point your tank towards. The rear turret is of more doubtful use, however, as it cannot fire to the front and, being a normal MG, lacks the power to damage anything short of open-tops.
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 == History ==
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-''The FCM 2C was a French "super heavy" tank designed to conquer the "no man's land" of WW1. It was dimensionally the largest tank ever produced, and for a time the heaviest. Ready for production by February 1918, the war ended before any of the vehicles were completed, and so the order of 300 was eventually reduced to just 10, finished in 1921. The standard 2C mounted a 75 mm APX 1897 field gun, similar to the cannon which would be mounted on the [[M3 GMC]] tank destroyer. The 2C had many innovative design features for the time, including a hybrid drive, leaf spring suspension, the world's first three-man turret, and stroboscopic cupolas. All of the 2Cs were named after ancient regions of France.''
+''The FCM 2C was a French "super heavy" tank designed to conquer the "no man's land" of WW1. It was dimensionally the largest tank ever produced, and for a time the heaviest. Ready for production by February 1918, the war ended before any of the vehicles were completed, and so the order of 300 was eventually reduced to just 10, finished in 1921. The standard 2C mounted a 75 mm APX 1897 field gun, similar to the cannon which would be mounted on the [[M3 GMC]] tank destroyer. The 2C had many innovative design features for the time, including a hybrid drive, leaf spring suspension, the world's first three-man turret, and stroboscopic cupolas. All of the 2Cs were named after ancient regions of France.''
 ''One 2C, No. 99 "Champagne", was given a new two-man cast turret with a 155 mm howitzer. The commander was given his own compartment behind the turret. The side machine gun ports were also removed. This variant would be known as the 2C bis. Eventually, Champagne would be returned to its original configuration and its turret would be used as a makeshift static emplacement in the Mareth Line. Champagne would be the only 2C to survive the invasion of France, with the other nine tanks either being scuttled by their own crew to prevent capture, or breaking down.''

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 Armour protection is mediocre, at best. The frontal armour will do little to stop standard guns like the American 37 mm or the Soviet 45 mm, and the sides are vulnerable to autocannons or even the infamous M2 Browning at close ranges. What you do have, however, is a whopping 12 crewmen, which means that even if your main crew has been disintegrated, you are still in the fight as long as you don't get ammo-racked.
-'''Armour type:''' <!-- The types of armour present on the vehicle and their general locations -->
+'''Armour type:'''
-<!-- Example: * Rolled homogeneous armour (Front, Side, Rear, Hull roof)
+* Rolled homogeneous armour (hull, turret)
-* Cast homogeneous armour (Turret, Transmission area) -->
+* Cast homogeneous armour (gun mantlet, cupolas)
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 ! Armour !! Front (Slope angle) !! Sides !! Rear !! Roof
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-| Hull || 45 mm 0° (upper plate)
+| Hull || 45 mm ''Upper plate'' <br> 22 mm (69°) ''Upper glacis'' <br> 45 mm ''Lower plate'' <br> 15 mm (65°) ''Lower glacis'' <br> 45 mm (spherical) ''Machine gun port'' <br> 38.1 mm ''Turret ring''
-mm 69°(juncton armor plate) 45 mm 0° (lower plate)
+| 22 mm ''Upper compartment'' <br> 22 mm ''Lower compartment'' <br> 38.1 mm ''Turret ring''
+| 15 mm (62-63°) ''Upper glacis'' <br> 22 mm ''Lower plate'' || 22 mm (21°) ''Front glacis'' <br> 13 mm ''Crew compartment'' <br> 10 ''Engine vents'' <br> 15 mm (28°) ''Rear glacis''
-mm 0-69° (junction) rolled homogenous armor 45 mm (machine gun port) molded homogenous armor
+|-
-| 22 mm 0°(upper compartment)<br>22 mm 0°(lower compartment)
+| Turret || 35 mm (17°) ''Turret front'' <br> 35 mm (cylindrical) ''Gun mantlet'' || 35 mm (15-17°) || 35 mm (17°) <br> 30 mm (18°) ''Hatch'' || 10 mm (76-87°)
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-| Turret || ___ - ___ mm ''Turret front'' <br> ___ mm ''Gun mantlet'' || ___ - ___ mm || 35 mm 17°
+| Rear turret || 22 mm (11°) ''Turret front'' <br> 22 mm (cylindrical) ''Gun mantlet'' || 22 mm (11°) || 22 mm (11°) <br> 30 mm (11°) ''Hatch'' || 22 mm (56-67)
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-| Cupola || 22 mm 0°-37° || 22 mm 0°-37° || 22 mm 0°-37° || 22 mm 66°-88°
+| Cupolas || 22 mm (0-37°) || 22 mm (0-37°) || 22 mm (0-37°) || 22 mm (66-88°)
 |-
 |}
 '''Notes:'''
-* Tracks are 20mm thick
+* Tracks are 20 mm thick and suspension wheels are 15 mm thick.
-* Side skirts are 10 mm thick(2 layers)+ 22 mm(2 layers)
+* Side skirts are 10 mm thick (2 layers) + 22 mm (2 layers).
-* Suspensions are 10 mm thick
+* Suspensions are 10 mm thick.
-* ventilation grids are 5mm thick
+* Engine maintenance doors are 15 mm thick.
-* engine maintenace doors are 15 mm thick
+* Belly armour is 15 mm thick at the back and the front and 10 mm thick in the centre.
 === Mobility ===
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 == Usage in battles ==
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-The char 2C should be used as a breakthrought tank he is too slow to flank and he has not enought penetration to shoot from afar. Its APHE shell as enought penetration to kill almost anything at close range with its 285 g of TNT making it ideal against open-top vehicles, panzer III and IV. You're greatest enemies will be high calliber hotwizers (SU 122, Ho-Ro, 15cm sIG 33 B Sfl...) you should always avoid direct confrontation with them . In an uptier the Char 2C will strugle penetrating heavy tank like the Matilda III . Despite its slow speed the Char 2C perform well on open maps like Normandie .
+The char 2C should be used as a breakthrough tank, it is too slow to flank and has not enough penetration to shoot from afar. Its APHE shell has enough penetration to knock out almost anything at close range with its 285 g of TNT, making it ideal against open-topped vehicles, Panzer IIIs and IVs. Your greatest enemies will be high-calibre howitzers (SU-122, Ho-Ro, 15cm sIG 33 B Sfl, etc.): you should always avoid direct confrontation with them. In an uptier, the Char 2C will struggle penetrating heavy tanks like the Matilda III. Despite its slow speed, the Char 2C performs well on open maps like Normandy.
+=== Pros and cons ===
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+<!-- ''Summarise and briefly evaluate the vehicle in terms of its characteristics and combat effectiveness. Mark its pros and cons in a bulleted list. Try not to use more than 6 points for each of the characteristics. Avoid using categorical definitions such as "bad", "good" and the like - use substitutions with softer forms such as "inadequate" and "effective".'' -->
 * Neutral steering gives the tank decent reflex mobility

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