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== Description ==
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* {{Specs-Link|it_battleship_andrea_doria}}

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{{Italy naval cannons}}

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-[[File:152 mm 45 Schneider model 1911.jpg|thumb|x250px|Stern port battery of the '''152 mm/45 Schneider model 1911''']]
+[[File:152 mm 45 Schneider model 1911.jpg|thumb|x250px|Stern port battery of '''152 mm/45 Schneider model 1911''' on [[RN Andrea Doria]]]]
 == Description ==
 <!-- ''Write an introduction to the article in 2-3 small paragraphs. Briefly tell us about the history of the development and combat using the weaponry and also about its features. Compile a list of air, ground, or naval vehicles that feature this weapon system in the game.'' -->
-'''152 mm/45 Schneider model 1911''' is an Italian casemate secondary gun. Typically, for a gun designed before the First World War it struggles with rate of fire, penetration and targeting speed. But it holds a really good explosive filler. Historically, the gun was adopted from France and lacked any significant successes in combat.
+'''152 mm/45 Schneider model 1911''' is an Italian casemate secondary gun. Typically, for a gun designed before the First World War it struggles with rate of fire, muzzle velocity and targeting speed. But it holds a really good explosive filler. Historically, the gun was adopted from France and lacked any significant successes in combat.
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 <!--''Examine the history of the creation and combat usage of the weapon in more detail than in the introduction. If the historical reference turns out to be too long, take it to a separate article, taking a link to the article about the weapon and adding a block "/History" (example: <nowiki>https://wiki.warthunder.com/(Weapon-name)/History</nowiki>) and add a link to it here using the <code>main</code> template. Be sure to reference text and sources by using <code><nowiki><ref></ref></nowiki></code>, as well as adding them at the end of the article with <code><nowiki><references /></nowiki></code>.''-->
-The Dreadnought arms race of the early 20th century led Italy on staying competitive. When designing their ships, they not only looked east to Austria-Hungary but also west to France as, despite nominal alliances, both nations were regional powers in the Mediterranean where the ''Regio Marina'' (Royal Italian Navy) operated. The [[RN Andrea Doria|''Andrea Doria''<nowiki />-class]] dreadnoughts, ordered in response to the French ''Bretagne''<nowiki />-class, were more or less similar in design to the earlier ''Conte di Cavour''<nowiki />-class dreadnoughts, but one of the significant changes of the design was upgrading the secondary armament to the 152 mm cannon. The 152 mm/45 Schneider model 1911 was adopted from France the same year with license production soon beginning in Ansaldo. These are the guns that would be used to arm ''RN Andrea Doria'' and her sister ship ''RN Duilio''.
+The Dreadnought arms race of the early 20th century led Italy on staying competitive. When designing their ships, they not only looked east to Austria-Hungary but also west to France as, despite nominal alliances, both nations were regional powers in the Mediterranean where the Regia Marina (Royal Italian Navy) operated. The [[RN Andrea Doria|''Andrea Doria'']]-class dreadnoughts, ordered in response to the French ''Bretagne'' class, were more or less similar in design to the earlier ''Conte di Cavour''-class dreadnoughts, but one of the significant changes of the design was upgrading the secondary armament to the 152 mm cannon. The 152 mm/45 Schneider model 1911 was adopted from France the same year with Ansaldo soon beginning licensed production. These are the guns that would be used to arm RN ''Andrea Doria'' and her sister ship RN ''Duilio''.
-In service, the guns rarely saw actual combat which is likely a blessing in disguise. Being positioned on the sides of the hull underneath the [[305 mm/46 Vickers model 1909 (305 mm)|12-inch Vickers model 1909]] main gun battery, the guns tended to get wet in heavy seas, particularly the rear guns. Both ''Andrea Doria''<nowiki />-class dreadnoughts sat out most of World War I, mostly patrolling the southern Adriatic Sea while waiting for a decisive engagement with the Austro-Hungarian Navy that never happened. After the war, ''RN Andrea Doria'' saw some action participating in the bombardment of the Greek Island Corfu in 1923 after the murder of an Italian General and his two aides who were attempting to mediate a border dispute between Greece and Albania. Her sister ship ''Duilio'' also participated in this 1923 bombardment along with supporting the White Russians in the Black Sea in June and July of 1919. In 1937, the dreadnoughts went through a modernization program where the 152 mm guns were replaced with 135 mm guns in response to their ineffectiveness. When the following ''Franceso Caracciolo''<nowiki />-class dreadnoughts were canceled thanks to the outbreak of World War I putting new capital ships on the backburner in favor of large numbers of smaller craft like destroyers, the ''Andrea Doria''<nowiki />-class became the only class of ships completed with these guns. The next class of battleships Italy built, under the restrictions of the 1922 Washington Naval Treaty, was the ''Littorio''<nowiki />-class and was armed with more modern 152 mm guns from the final series of [[Condottieri-class|''Condottieri''<nowiki />-class]] light cruisers.
+In service, the guns rarely saw actual combat which was likely a blessing in disguise. Being positioned on the sides of the hull underneath the [[305 mm/46 Vickers model 1909 (305 mm)|12-inch Vickers model 1909]] main gun battery, the guns tended to get wet in heavy seas, particularly the rear guns. Both ''Andrea Doria''-class dreadnoughts sat out most of World War I, mostly patrolling the southern Adriatic Sea while waiting for a decisive engagement with the Austro-Hungarian Navy that never happened. After the war, RN ''Andrea Doria'' saw some action participating in the bombardment of the Greek island of Corfu in 1923 after the murder of an Italian general and his two aides who were attempting to mediate a border dispute between Greece and Albania. Her sister ship ''Duilio'' also participated in this 1923 bombardment along with supporting the White Russians in the Black Sea in June and July of 1919. In 1937, the dreadnoughts went through a modernization program where the 152 mm guns were replaced with 135 mm guns in response to their ineffectiveness. When the following ''Franceso Caracciolo''-class dreadnoughts were canceled thanks to the outbreak of World War I putting new capital ships on the backburner in favour of large numbers of smaller craft like destroyers, the ''Andrea Doria''-class became the only class of ships completed with these guns. The next class of battleships Italy built, under the restrictions of the 1922 Washington Naval Treaty, was the ''Littorio'' class and was armed with more modern 152 mm guns from the final series of [[Condottieri (Family)|''Condottieri''-class]] light cruisers.
-Alongside their role as naval guns, the 152 mm/45 was used as coastal defense guns and even siege artillery. When the modernization programs removed the 152 mm/45 guns from the ''Andrea Doria''<nowiki />-class, the guns were reused in these roles. The coastal defense guns would serve through both world wars in ''Regio Marina''. The use of these guns as siege artillery came from the pressing need for such weapons in the ''Regio Esercito'' (Royal Italian Army) fighting on the Alpine Front. Surplus barrels were mounted on a standard box trail carriage with a large open section to allow the breech to recoil. 53 guns were still in service in Northern Italy in 1943. After the signing of the Italian Armistice in 1943, some guns ended in German service where they designated 15.2 K 411 (i).
+Alongside their role as naval guns, the 152 mm/45 was used as coastal defense guns and even siege artillery. When the modernization programs removed the 152 mm/45 guns from the ''Andrea Doria''-class, the guns were reused in these roles. The coastal defense guns would serve through both world wars in the Regia Marina. The use of these guns as siege artillery came from the pressing need for such weapons in the Regio Esercito (Royal Italian Army) fighting on the Alpine Front. Surplus barrels were mounted on a standard box trail carriage with a large open section to allow the breech to recoil. 53 guns were still in service in Northern Italy in 1943. After the signing of the Italian Armistice in 1943, some guns ended up in German service where they were designated 15.2 K 411 (i).
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 == History ==
-The Dreadnought arms race of the early 20th century led Italy on staying competitive. When designing their ships, they not only looked east to Austria-Hungary but also west to France as, despite nominal alliances, both nations were regional powers in the Mediterranean where the ''Regio Marina'' (Royal Italian Navy) operated. The [[RN Andrea Doria|''Andrea Doria''<nowiki />-class]] dreadnoughts, ordered in response to the French ''Bretagne''<nowiki />-class were more or less similar in design to the earlier ''Conte di Cavour''<nowiki />-class dreadnoughts, but one of the significant changes of the design was upgrading the secondary armament to the 152 mm cannon. The 152 mm/45 Schneider model 1911 was adopted from France the same year with license production soon beginning in Ansaldo. These are the guns that would be used to arm ''RN Andrea Doria'' and her sister ship ''RN Duilio''.
+<!--''Examine the history of the creation and combat usage of the weapon in more detail than in the introduction. If the historical reference turns out to be too long, take it to a separate article, taking a link to the article about the weapon and adding a block "/History" (example: <nowiki>https://wiki.warthunder.com/(Weapon-name)/History</nowiki>) and add a link to it here using the <code>main</code> template. Be sure to reference text and sources by using <code><nowiki><ref></ref></nowiki></code>, as well as adding them at the end of the article with <code><nowiki><references /></nowiki></code>.''-->
-In service, the guns rarely saw actual combat which is likely a blessing in disguise. Being positioned on the sides of the hull underneath the [[305 mm/46 Vickers model 1909 (305 mm)|12-inch Vickers model 1909]] main gun battery, the guns tended to get wet in heavy seas, particularly the rear guns. Both ''Andrea Doria''<nowiki />-class dreadnoughts sat out most of World War I, mostly patrolling the southern Adriatic Sea while waiting for a decisive engagement with the Austro-Hungarian Navy that never happened. After the war ''RN Andrea Doria'' saw some action participating in the bombardment of the Greek Island Corfu in 1923 after the murder of an Italian General and his two aides who were attempting to mediate a border dispute between Greece and Albania. Her sister ship ''Duilio'' also participated in this 1923 bombardment along with supporting the White Russians in the Black Sea in June and July of 1919. In 1937, the dreadnoughts went through a modernization program where the 152 mm guns were replaced with 135mm guns in response to their ineffectiveness. When the following ''Franceso Caracciolo''<nowiki />-class dreadnoughts were canceled thanks to the outbreak of World War I putting new capital ships on the backburner in favor of large numbers of smaller craft like destroyers, the ''Andrea Doria''<nowiki />-class became the only class of ships completed with these guns. The next class of battleships Italy built, under the restrictions of the 1922 Washington Naval Treaty was the ''Littorio''<nowiki />-class and was armed with more modern 152 mm guns from the final series of [[Condottieri-class|''Condottieri''<nowiki />-class]] light cruisers.
+The Dreadnought arms race of the early 20th century led Italy on staying competitive. When designing their ships, they not only looked east to Austria-Hungary but also west to France as, despite nominal alliances, both nations were regional powers in the Mediterranean where the ''Regio Marina'' (Royal Italian Navy) operated. The [[RN Andrea Doria|''Andrea Doria''<nowiki />-class]] dreadnoughts, ordered in response to the French ''Bretagne''<nowiki />-class, were more or less similar in design to the earlier ''Conte di Cavour''<nowiki />-class dreadnoughts, but one of the significant changes of the design was upgrading the secondary armament to the 152 mm cannon. The 152 mm/45 Schneider model 1911 was adopted from France the same year with license production soon beginning in Ansaldo. These are the guns that would be used to arm ''RN Andrea Doria'' and her sister ship ''RN Duilio''.
 Alongside their role as naval guns, the 152 mm/45 was used as coastal defense guns and even siege artillery. When the modernization programs removed the 152 mm/45 guns from the ''Andrea Doria''<nowiki />-class, the guns were reused in these roles. The coastal defense guns would serve through both world wars in ''Regio Marina''. The use of these guns as siege artillery came from the pressing need for such weapons in the ''Regio Esercito'' (Royal Italian Army) fighting on the Alpine Front. Surplus barrels were mounted on a standard box trail carriage with a large open section to allow the breech to recoil. 53 guns were still in service in Northern Italy in 1943. After the signing of the Italian Armistice in 1943, some guns ended in German service where they designated 15.2 K 411 (i).

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 === Available ammunition ===
-''Describe the shells that are available for the weapon and their features and purpose. If it concerns autocannons or machine guns, write about different ammo belts and what is inside (which types of shells).''
+<!-- ''Describe the shells that are available for the weapon and their features and purpose. If it concerns autocannons or machine guns, write about different ammo belts and what is inside (which types of shells).'' -->
 === Comparison with analogues ===

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 '''Pros:'''
+*
 '''Cons:'''
+*
 == History ==
-''Examine the history of the creation and combat usage of the weapon in more detail than in the introduction. If the historical reference turns out to be too long, take it to a separate article, taking a link to the article about the weapon and adding a block "/History" (example: <nowiki>https://wiki.warthunder.com/(Weapon-name)/History</nowiki>) and add a link to it here using the <code>main</code> template. Be sure to reference text and sources by using <code><nowiki><ref></ref></nowiki></code>, as well as adding them at the end of the article with <code><nowiki><references /></nowiki></code>.''
+The Dreadnought arms race of the early 20th century led Italy on staying competitive. When designing their ships, they not only looked east to Austria-Hungary but also west to France as, despite nominal alliances, both nations were regional powers in the Mediterranean where the ''Regio Marina'' (Royal Italian Navy) operated. The [[RN Andrea Doria|''Andrea Doria''<nowiki />-class]] dreadnoughts, ordered in response to the French ''Bretagne''<nowiki />-class were more or less similar in design to the earlier ''Conte di Cavour''<nowiki />-class dreadnoughts, but one of the significant changes of the design was upgrading the secondary armament to the 152 mm cannon. The 152 mm/45 Schneider model 1911 was adopted from France the same year with license production soon beginning in Ansaldo. These are the guns that would be used to arm ''RN Andrea Doria'' and her sister ship ''RN Duilio''.
 == Media ==
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 == See also ==
 ''Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:''
 * ''reference to the article about the variant of the cannon/machine gun;''
 * ''references to approximate analogues by other nations and research trees.''
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 == External links ==
 ''Paste links to sources and external resources, such as:''
 * ''topic on the official game forum;''
 * ''other literature.''