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User:U87387478

2023-12-25T18:42:22Z

U87387478:

Hello !

I am someone, who's been playing War Thunder since 2019. (Update: Imperial Navy)

Since around 2020 I've discovered, that there is a War Thunder Wiki, which is being improved by a few people called the WT wiki Team.

I decided to take part too and make the Wiki a better place with some helpful, minor contributions by myself.

Like the most recommended vehicle play style, dangerous enemies for a vehicle, etc.

Most of the time I will focus myself on Japanese vehicles of all categories (Land, Air, Sea)

I was born in Germany and speak most of the time German and Vietnamese.

Because of that I am not a native English speaker, but over the years I learned a lot in the English language, and I am trying my best to keep my English at a good level.

Some of my contributions may have to be corrected in the English grammar.

I am not participating in the WT wiki team because I am most of the time a non-active Wiki editor.

Good luck and may the snail be with you !

Type 99

2023-12-25T18:38:44Z

U87387478: Edited Pros and Cons, Usage in battles

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== Description ==

The '''Type 99 155 mm {{Annotation|SPH|Self Propelled Howitzer}}''' (99式自走155mmりゅう弾砲) is currently one of the 155 mm howitzers in JGSDF service as the direct replacement of the obsolete, shorter-barreled [[Type 75 SPH|Type 75 155 mm SPH]]. The JGSDF had already planned for a replacement of the Type 75 SPH as early as 1985; development began in 1987, with {{Annotation|MHI|Mitsubishi Heavy Industries}} responsible for the extended hull based on the chassis of what would become the [[Type 89 IFV]], while {{Annotation|JSW|Japan Steel Works}} developed the weapon systems with a domestic 155 mm L/52 howitzer. The new SPH was ready for trials in 1996, and tests were conducted in 1998, with the first four SPH units delivered to the training corps. However, due to the high unit price, the complete replacement of all Type 75 SPHs will be fulfilled by the Type 99 SPH alongside a new, wheeled Type 19 155 mm SPH.

Introduced in [[Update "Air Superiority"]] as the second SPH of JGSDF, the Type 99 is equipped with a Japanese NATO standard 155 mm howitzer and shares similar shells, but due to the increased length, it offers a whopping 940 m/s shell velocity. The new gun system retains the relatively fast gun traverse speed and new autoloader for faster reload; meanwhile, tank crews have to beware of the rather underpowered engine and huge size; enemy commanders can easily spot this long-nosed "lying Pinocchio" from afar.

;Nicknames

* JGSDF Abbreviation: 99HSP / SP - (Howitzer) Self-Propelled
* Public nickname: {{Annotation|ロングノーズ|Rongu Nōzu}} - Lit. "Long Nose"

== General info ==
=== Survivability and armour ===
{{Specs-Tank-Armour}}

Instead of opting for NATO SPHs, the JGSDF initiated plans to develop a domestic SPH, resulting in the creation of the Type 99. The most distinctive feature of the Type 99 is its notably long 155 mm L/52 howitzer, contrasting with the short chassis based on the Type 89 IFV. This characteristic earned it the nickname "Long Nose." However, this length poses a challenge as it makes the Type 99 easily identifiable on the battlefield. With an overall length, including the barrel, measuring 11.3 m, it cannot move unnoticed unless enemies are overly focused on a specific area. The overall protection comprises 20 mm RHA plates for both the chassis and turret. This means that any .50 calibre heavy machine gun won't struggle to target the crews within 300 m, let alone autocannons at even longer ranges. Taking cover and staying behind the frontline is advisable to prolong its survival. Extra caution is needed to conceal the rear of the turret, as the last thing commanders want is to witness the detonation of the 30 shells and charges located directly behind it, creating a significant explosion.

Equipped with a mechanized loader, the Type 99 operates with a smaller crew than NATO/Warsaw Pact SPHs, numbering only four individuals. While the SPH is rather spacious, the driver and assistant loader are rather spread out while the gunner and commander are squeezed together, making for an easy collateral. This crew composition will usually result in needing at least two well-placed AP shots frontally, or one side-on hitting all three turret crew in a single shot. Other possibilities of one-shots are by overpressure, a sensitive APHE fused shell into the turret or the ammo rack.

'''Armour type:''' 


{| class="wikitable"
|-
! Armour !! Front (Slope angle) !! Sides !! Rear !! Roof
|-
| Hull || 20 mm UFP (80°)
20 mm LFP
| 20 mm ''Top'' 20 mm ''Bottom'' ||20 mm
|20 mm
|-
| Turret || 20 mm ''Turret front'' 20 mm ''Gun mantlet'' || 20 mm ||20 mm
|20 mm
|-
|}

'''Notes:''' 


=== Mobility ===
{{Specs-Tank-Mobility}}

As the hull was developed from Mitsubishi's [[Type 89 IFV]] with an extended length, the Type 99 retained the identical 6SY31WA V8 engine and transmission. While the 50 km/h speed and its 12.1 hp/t ratio might not seem particularly impressive, it does offer a -30 km/h reverse speed for a quick retreat.

{{tankMobility}}

=== Modifications and economy ===
{{Specs-Economy}}

== Armaments ==
{{Specs-Tank-Armaments}}
=== Main armament ===
{{Specs-Tank-Weapon|1}}

{{main|JSW L/52 (155 mm)}}

To align with the late Cold War trend of self-propelled howitzers featuring long barrels, the Type 99 is equipped with a domestic 155 mm L/52 howitzer by JSW. The gun system boasts 30 shells in storage with an autoloader, enabling a firing rate of one shot every 7.5 seconds. Although not as rapid as the [[Bkan 1C]] at 3.2 seconds, this rate is more than sufficient for engaging tanks at its tier, which typically have longer reload times. The ballistics remain relatively straight due to its impressive 940 m/s velocity, facilitating easier long-range engagements. An area where the Type 99 excels is a supporting role.

However, caution is advised to avoid overextension, especially with the barrel exposed behind cover, as this may lead to the gun's disablement and, eventually, the Type 99 itself.

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="100%"
|-
! colspan="5" | [[JSW L/52 (155 mm)|155 mm JSW L/52]] || colspan="5" | Turret rotation speed (°/s) || Reloading rate (seconds)
|-
! Mode !! Capacity !! Vertical !! Horizontal !! Stabilizer
! Stock !! Upgraded !! Full !! Expert !! Aced
! Autoloader
|-
! ''Arcade''
| rowspan="2" | 30 || rowspan="2" | -2°/+70° || rowspan="2" | ±180° || rowspan="2" | - || __._ || __._ || __._ || __._ || __._ || rowspan="2" | 7.5
|-
! ''Realistic''
| __._ || __._ || __._ || __._ || __._
|-
|}

==== Ammunition ====

* M107: NATO standard 155 mm HE shell, providing a reasonable 9.1 kg TNTe explosive mass.
* M107(PF): M107, but equipped with a proximity fuse. The excellent velocity of the L/52, coupled with the proximity fuse, makes it a versatile ad-hoc AA shell.
* L15A2: The pinnacle of NATO 155 mm shells, it offers an impressive 14.8 kg TNTe explosive mass. It has the potential to obliterate even the most heavily armoured vehicles.
* M110: NATO Standard 155 mm Smoke shell.

{{:JSW L/52 (155 mm)/Ammunition|M107, M107 (PF), L15A2, M110}}

==== [[Ammo racks]] ====


{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! Full ammo
! 1st rack empty
! 2nd rack empty
! 3rd rack empty
! 4th rack empty
! 5th rack empty
! 6th rack empty
! Visual discrepancy
|-
| '''30''' || __ ''(+__)'' || __ ''(+__)'' || __ ''(+__)'' || __ ''(+__)'' || __ ''(+__)'' || __ ''(+__)'' || __
|-
|}

=== Machine guns ===
{{Specs-Tank-Weapon|2}}

{{main|M2HB (12.7 mm)}}

''Offensive and anti-aircraft machine guns not only allow you to fight some aircraft but also are effective against lightly armoured vehicles. Evaluate machine guns and give recommendations on its use.''

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="50%"
|-
! colspan="5" | [[M2HB (12.7 mm)|12.7 mm M2HB]]
|-
! Mount !! Capacity (Belt) !! Fire rate !! Vertical !! Horizontal
|-
| || ___ (___) || ___ || __° || __°
|-
|}

== Usage in battles ==

With a very high shell velocity of 940 m/s but low armor and a high profile, the Type 99 155mm should be played as either a sniping vehicle or an anti-air vehicle. With the L15A2 high explosive shells, which have an explosive mass of 14.8 kg of TNT, it can destroy every vehicle at it's tier and higher with a well-placed shot between the hull and the turret (Even the [https://wiki.warthunder.com/Maus Maus] or the [https://wiki.warthunder.com/Object_279 Object 279] heavy tank). The hull of the Type 99 155mm also has a large empty spot without any important modules. Meaning that some enemy shells will just go through the hull without activating the explosive fuse, creating little to no damage. Your most problematic enemies you have to keep an eye of are other vehicles with large caliber cannons or vehicles with autocannons. Avoid artillery at any cost, since the chance of getting hit by the artillery is much higher than other tanks due to its very large profile of the Type 99 155mm. Since the HE shells don't have a tracer mark while firing, shooting at an enemy group from a long distance while staying near cover is the best way to go to not be seen. The type 99’s engine has very good backward speed of 31km/h (RB). Meaning that if a situation becomes too hot, shooting a smoke shell on the ground while driving backwards is the safest way to retreat out of a dangerous situation. Alternately, the Type 99 can be played as an excellent anti-air vehicle to shoot down planes or helicopters nearby or from long distance. The even faster reload of only 7.5 seconds (from its predecessor [https://wiki.warthunder.com/Type_75_SPH Type 75 SPH] with its 10 seconds reload), which also stays the same when its loader gets knocked out thanks to its autoloader and a very fast shell velocity for a caliber of 155mm can make it very deadly for enemies in the sky. But make sure to equip the M107 (PF) HE shells when doing so. The engine compartment is also frontally placed and separated by a 5mm steel plate from the rest of the crew. Which means, that when the frontal hull gets hit, the engine can soak up the entire amount of potential damage the shell was about to unleash. Leaving the rest of the components and the crew itself unharmed. One of the major downsides of the Type 99 is the very little amount of gun depression of only -2 degrees, which can be difficult on rural and hilly maps.

=== Pros and cons ===

'''Pros:'''

* Excellent shell velocity of 940 m/s (for a SPH)
** Can make the M107 (PF) a reliable AA shell
* 7.5-second auto-loader
* 30 shells in the ready rack
* 20 mm RHA armour offers a balance of protection without excessive weight
** Thin enough to avoid triggering most APHE fuses
** Effective protection against HMGs at longer ranges
* Moderate mobility with a respectable -30 km/h reverse speed
* Large and spacious
** Requires more than one penetration

'''Cons:'''

* Limited protection with 20 mm RHA armour
** Minimal defense against shell penetration
** In close-quarter combat, vulnerable to heavy machine guns
* Relatively small crew size
* Large and easily recognizable target
** Very long barrel can be exposed when positioned behind cover
** only -2 degrees of gun depression can be very difficult on maps with hills

== History ==

''Describe the history of the creation and combat usage of the vehicle in more detail than in the introduction. If the historical reference turns out to be too long, take it to a separate article, taking a link to the article about the vehicle and adding a block "/History" (example: <nowiki>https://wiki.warthunder.com/(Vehicle-name)/History</nowiki>) and add a link to it here using the <code>main</code> template. Be sure to reference text and sources by using <code><nowiki><ref></ref></nowiki></code>, as well as adding them at the end of the article with <code><nowiki><references /></nowiki></code>. This section may also include the vehicle's dev blog entry (if applicable) and the in-game encyclopedia description (under <code><nowiki>=== In-game description ===</nowiki></code>, also if applicable).''

== Media ==

''Excellent additions to the article would be video guides, screenshots from the game, and photos.''

== See also ==


;Related Development

* [[Type 75 SPH]]
* [[Type 89 IFV]]

;Other vehicles of similar configuration and role

* [[VIDAR]]
* [[AuF1|AMX-30 AuF1]]
* [[Bkan 1C]]

== External links ==

''Paste links to sources and external resources, such as:''

* ''topic on the official game forum;''
* ''other literature.''

{{Japan tank destroyers}}

User:U87387478

2023-07-06T17:14:27Z

U87387478: Improvements of English grammar

Hello !

I am someone, who's been playing War Thunder since 2019. (Update: Imperial Navy)

Since around 2020 I've discovered, that there is a War Thunder Wiki, which is being improved by a few people called the WT wiki Team.

I decided to take part too and make the Wiki a better place with some helpful, minor contributions of myself.

Like the most recommended vehicle play style, dangerous enemies for a vehicle, etc.

Most of the time I will focus myself on Japanese vehicles of all categories (Land, Air, Sea)

I was born in Germany and speak most of the time German and Vietnamese.

Because of that I am not a native English speaker, but over the years I learned a lot in the English language, and I am trying my best to keep my English at a good level.

Some of my contributions may have to be corrected in the English grammar.

I am not participating in the WT wiki team because I am most of the time a non-active Wiki editor.

Good luck and may the snail be with you !

User:U87387478

2023-07-06T17:09:23Z

U87387478:

Hello !

I am someone, who's been playing War Thunder since 2019. (Update: Imperial Navy)

Since around 2020 I've discovered, that there is a War Thunder Wiki, which is being improved by a few people called the WT wiki Team.

I decided to take part too and make the Wiki a better place with some helpful, minor contributions of myself.

Like the most recommended vehicle playstyle, dangerous enemies for a vehicle, etc.

Most of the time I will focus myself on Japanese vehicles of all categories (Land, Air, Sea)

I was born in Germany and speak most of the time German and Vietnamese.

Because of that I am not a native English speaker, but over the years I learned a lot in the English language, and I am trying my best to keep my English at a good level.

Some of my contributions may have to be corrected in the English grammar.

I am not participating in the WT wiki team because I am most of the time a non-active Wiki editor.

Good luck and may the snail be with you !

User:U87387478

2023-07-05T19:41:25Z

U87387478: Removed information

Hello !

I am a War Thunder player, who has been playing War Thunder since 2019. (Update: Imperial Navy)

Since around 2020 I´ve discovered, that there is a War Thunder Wiki, which is being improved by a few people called the WT wiki Team.

I decided to improve the Wiki with some helpful contributions. Like the most recommended vehicle playstyle, dangerous enemies for a vehicle, etc.

Most of the time I will focus myself on Japanese vehicles of all categories (Land, Air, Sea)

I was born in Germany and speak most of the time German and Vietnamese.

So I am not a native English speaker, but I learned a lot in the English language, and I am trying my best to keep my English at a good level.

Some of my contributions may have to be corrected in the English grammar.

I am not participating in the WT wiki team because I am most of the time a non-active Wiki editor.

Good luck and may the snail be with you !

User:U87387478

2023-07-05T17:58:03Z

U87387478:

Type 75 MLRS

2022-07-24T11:02:14Z

U87387478: Added : Usage in battles, Enemies worth noting. May be required to overwrite English grammar, since I am a non-English speaker. Sorry.

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== Description ==

The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a premium rank {{Specs|rank}} Japanese tank destroyer {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update 1.83 "Masters of the Sea"]].

== General info ==
=== Survivability and armour ===
{{Specs-Tank-Armour}}

While the armour is light, it provides enough frontal protection against MGs up to 12.7 mm but only frontally. The 3 crew members all sit in the front with the gunner sitting next to the engine which would protect him from MG fire from the left.

'''Armour type:'''

* Rolled homogeneous armour
* Gun steel (Rocket rack)

{| class="wikitable"
|-
! Armour !! Front (Slope angle) !! Sides !! Rear !! Roof
|-
| Hull || 20 mm (28°) ''Front glacis'' 20 mm (55°) ''Lower glacis'' || 12.7 mm || 20 mm || 10 mm
|-
| Launcher
!
| 10 mm
!
| 10 mm
|-
| Cupola || colspan="4" | 15 mm
|-
|}
'''Notes:'''

* Belly armour is 10 mm thick.
* Suspension wheels and bogies are 10 mm thick, while tracks are 15 mm thick.

=== Mobility ===
{{Specs-Tank-Mobility}}


{{tankMobility|abMinHp=426|rbMinHp=265}}

=== Modifications and economy ===
{{Specs-Economy}}

== Armaments ==
{{Specs-Tank-Armaments}}
=== Main armament ===
{{Specs-Tank-Weapon|1}}

{{main|Type 75 (130 mm)}}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="100%"
|-
! colspan="5" | [[Type 75 (130 mm)|130 mm Type 75 rocket]] || colspan="5" | Turret rotation speed (°/s) || colspan="4" | Reloading rate (seconds)*
|-
! Mode !! Capacity !! Vertical !! Horizontal !! Stabilizer
! Stock !! Upgraded !! Full !! Expert !! Aced
! Stock !! Full !! Expert !! Aced
|-
! ''Arcade''
| rowspan="2" | 30 || rowspan="2" | 0°/+50° || rowspan="2" | ±60° || rowspan="2" | N/A || 13.21 || 18.28 || 22.20 || 24.55 || 26.12 || rowspan="2" | 10.40 || rowspan="2" | 9.20 || rowspan="2" | 8.48 || rowspan="2" | 8.00
|-
! ''Realistic''
| 8.93 || 10.50 || 12.75 || 14.10 || 15.00
|-
|}

Notes:

* The Reloading rate affects the speed at which each rocket is resupplied when standing on a friendly captured point.
* The primary weapon has a fire rate of 144 rounds per minute: this equals to an interval of around 0.42 seconds between each rocket fired.

==== Ammunition ====
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="100%"
! colspan="8" | Penetration statistics
|-
! rowspan="2" data-sort-type="text" | Ammunition
! rowspan="2" | Type of warhead
! colspan="6" | Penetration @ 0° Angle of Attack (mm)
|-
! 10 m !! 100 m !! 500 m !! 1,000 m !! 1,500 m !! 2,000 m
|-
| 130 mm Type 75 || Rocket || 51 || 51 || 51 || 51 || 51 || 51
|-
|}
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="100%"
! colspan="10" | Shell details
|-
! rowspan="2" data-sort-type="text" | Ammunition
! rowspan="2" | Type of warhead
! rowspan="2" | Velocity (m/s)
! rowspan="2" | Projectile Mass (kg)
! rowspan="2" | Fuse delay (m)
! rowspan="2" | Fuse sensitivity (mm)
! rowspan="2" | Explosive Mass (TNT equivalent) (g)
! colspan="3" | Ricochet
|-
! 0% !! 50% !! 100%
|-
| 130 mm Type 75 || Rocket || 700 || 43 || 0 || 0.1 || 6,140 || 79° || 80° || 81°
|-
|}

==== [[Ammo racks]] ====
[[File:Ammoracks_{{PAGENAME}}.png|right|thumb|x250px|[[Ammo racks]] of the {{PAGENAME}}]]

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! Full ammo
! Visual discrepancy
|-
| '''30''' || No
|-
|}

* Rockets deplete from right to left, top row first and then bottom row.
* It is not possible to select how many rockets to bring into battle.

=== Machine guns ===
{{Specs-Tank-Weapon|2}}

{{main|M2HB (12.7 mm)}}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="50%"
|-
! colspan="5" | [[M2HB (12.7 mm)|12.7 mm M2HB]]
|-
! Mount !! Capacity (Belt) !! Fire rate !! Vertical !! Horizontal
|-
| Pintle || 600 (200) || 577 || -10°/+65° || ±180°
|-
|}

== Usage in battles ==
The Type 75 MARS can be played as a surprise attack vehicle or a support vehicle. It can be used to sneak up on the enemy and destroying them with one or few rockets. Stop the attack and retreat when only one or two rockets left to defend yourself when necessary and drive to a captured point to reload your rack (Not required in Ground Arcade Battles). When a teammate is in danger, you can use your rockets to effectively suppress the enemy. Having an almost non-existent reload is a huge advantage over other vehicles. The rockets detonate on contact, so beware of bushes, trees and other obstacles. Its biggest disadvantage is the '''non-existent gun depression of exactly 0°'''. When vehicles with a low profile faced at few meters, wobbling your hull by pressing w and s for each second and firing the rockets at the same time will give it the necessary depression to take out the low profile enemy. But the chance of missing is quite high, so it will require multiple rockets. Its frontal armor can withstand 7.62 machine guns and even 12.7 mm heavy machine guns when being slightly angled, but not 20 mm autocannons. Avoid open fields at all costs, since its armour on the top is very thin and will most likely not withstand any machine guns or bombs from any plane at all. Another disadvantage are the rockets themselves when stored. Since the launcher itself is also the ammunition store, it is exposed to everything. '''When only one of the 30 rockets gets destroyed in the rack, the entire ammo will explode, causing the end for you'''. When enemy artillery is incoming, drive away since the launcher is most likely to get hit when not. Open-top vehicles or light armored vehicles can either be destroyed by the 12.7 machine gun it has or with the rockets themselves. For every tank with an existent turret. Try to shoot your rockets between the turret and the hull like a HE shell, causing either the enemy ammunition to explode or knocking out the entire crew by overpressure. The side armor is thin enough, that APHE shells won't detonate inside your tank and will just go through. The 12.7 machine gun sits on a separate commander's turret and will be helpful to destroy low flying planes even when directly above you since it has enough elevation. When a tank destroyer with no turret appears frontally, try to shoot at the commander's cupola or the ground where the belly armor is above.

'''Enemies worth noting:'''

[[Jagdpanther]]: No turret and no commander's cupola and basically a big upper front plate with no weak spots will make it a strong enemy for the MARS when faced frontal. There are 3 options to destroy the Jagdpanther frontally. But before you start any of these options, try to take out its main cannon. One until 3 rockets detonating near the cannon should be enough to destroy it if you don't hit the gun directly. Do not hesitate. The Jagdpanther could have enemy teammates nearby or an advanced crew to repair the cannon in a short time, so you have to destroy him quickly. '''1'''. Shoot on the ground, where the Jagdpanther is standing. Its belly armor is thin enough, that the explosive filler won't have any trouble penetrating it. The overpressure will do the rest and if not, shoot more rockets. But remember, that you have no depression, so wobbling your hull will be required. '''2'''. Shoot at the top. Its armour on the top is visible. It may require multiple rockets, since one or more will most likely bounce off the top. A successful detonation on the top will reward you with a knock-out for the enemy crew. '''3'''. Shoot between tracks and hull. This option requires the most rockets. Not only will you immobilize the Jagdpanther if you shoot its tracks, but also sometimes a successful knockout. When only a bit of the side armor gets hit by 2 or 3 rockets, the crew will most likely get knocked out. All the options stay the same when an enemy [[Bfw. Jagdpanther]] appears.

[[AMX-50 Foch|Amx-50 Foch]]: A huge cupola is the weak spot for high explosive ammunition. Type 75 MARS rockets included. What you should be aware of is its 15 mm MG 151, which can penetrate you frontally and even when sligthly angled. Taking out its main gun, then the machine gun, and then focussing on the cupola is the safest way to go.

[[Strv 103A]]: A very low profile and a tiny commander's cupola can make it very challenging to destroy it frontally. Especially when the engine compartment is on the front and protects the crew more. Try to take out its cannon, and then wiggle your hull to shoot at him when close distance, and one successful hit on the small commander's cupola will usually destroy it.

[[Vehicles with autocannons:]] Since your strongest armour is a 20 mm plate angled, any vehicle with an auto cannon with a caliber above 12.7 mm can easily destroy you in few seconds. When seeing contact, shoot your rockets at it as quickly as possible. Even when you have to empty your entire rack but in most cases you don't have to since in most cases one direct hit or a detonation near it will destroy it from overpressure. Do not underestimate these vehicles. If necessary, shoot your 12.7 machine gun and your rockets at the same time.

=== Pros and cons ===


'''Pros:'''

* Very mobile when driving on flat terrain
* The rockets can be continuously fired until the ammo rack is empty
* If a rocket hit anywhere next to the enemy tank's armour weak spots, it is very likely to knock the entire compartment out with overpressure

'''Cons:'''

* While rockets are protected by the launcher's panels to some extent and will likely just break on kinetic ammo hit, a direct hit of chemical warhead will likely detonate them, destroying the vehicle
* It is possible for rockets to hit obstacles next to the tank and destroy it by accident
* Launcher depression does not exist on this tank, fighting on uneven terrain without setup or long range will result in almost guaranteed defeat
* Default sights are not helpful for accurately firing rockets; requires user to install a user-made scope that provides firing solutions

== History ==

In the mid-60s, the Japanese Military Administration made the decision to boost their Self-Defense Forces' power with a mobile MLRS on a tracked chassis. As a base, it was suggested that the promising tracked armoured personnel carrier, that was at the time being developed by the Mitsubishi company, be used. The military vehicle was subsequently put into service under the designation Type 73 APC and became a base for a whole series of assault and support vehicles of the Japanese army. In order to equip their army with a modern multiple rocket launcher system, the Japanese used an APC as a base to develop the brand new Type 75 MARS, as well as two other support vehicles – a mobile weather station and a command vehicle – to ensure the launcher's combat readiness. The Type 75 was put into service in 1975 and built up serially to 1985 inclusive. The vehicle fired at its opponents using its 130 mm rockets located on 30 launching tubes inside a rotating pod (the horizontal guidance angle was 50 degrees). The Type 75 had a three-man crew and could reach a speed of 50 km/h.

''-From [[wt:en/news/5837-development-type-75-multiple-rocket-launcher-explosive-hailstorm-en|Devblog]]''

== Media ==


;Skins

* [https://live.warthunder.com/feed/camouflages/?vehicle=jp_type_75_mlrs Skins and camouflages for the {{PAGENAME}} from live.warthunder.com.]

;Videos
{{Youtube-gallery|fvSdDRBazww|'''The Shooting Range #121''' - ''War Machines'' section at 00:35 discusses the Type 75 MLRS.}}

== See also ==
''Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:''

* ''reference to the series of the vehicles;''
* ''links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.''

== External links ==


* [[wt:en/news/5837-development-type-75-multiple-rocket-launcher-explosive-hailstorm-en|[Devblog] Type 75 Multiple Rocket Launcher: Explosive Hailstorm]]

{{TankManufacturer Komatsu}}
{{Japan tank destroyers}}
{{Japan premium ground vehicles}}

User:U87387478

2022-07-24T08:36:49Z

U87387478:

Playing War Thunder since 2019.

Found out there was a Wiki.

Wanted to help.

Focussing on Japan.

Not native English speaker ._.

Trying my best at English.

Ho-Ro

2022-05-20T18:04:09Z

U87387478: Changed Depression description from 5 to 10 degrees

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}}

== Description ==

The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a rank {{Specs|rank}} Japanese tank destroyer {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update 1.65 "Way of the Samurai"]] along with the rest of the Japanese Ground Forces Tree. The vehicle, known by its full designation as the ''Imperial Japanese Army Type 4 15cm self-propelled gun Ho-Ro'' (Original Text: 日本語: 四式十五糎自走砲ホロ), is an open-topped SPG with a short-barreled 150 mm howitzer, based on the [[Chi-Ha]] chassis and running gear.

The name "Ho-Ro" translates roughly to ''Gun Two'', or more properly, ''Self Propelled Gun Number 2''.<ref name="FTRecordJapaneseNames">Silentstalker. "Japanese Tank Nomenclature." For the Record. WordPress, 06 Dec. 2013. Web. 15 Jan. 2017. [http://ftr.wot-news.com/2013/12/06/japanese-tank-nomenclature/ Website]</ref>

Since its introduction into War Thunder, the Ho-Ro has gained a reputation for being one of the most powerful howitzer-equipped SPGs in the game despite its reserve battle-rating, right up there with the beloved [[KV-2 (Family)|KV-2]]. It is capable of destroying or severely disabling any opponent it meets (or more often ambushes), even against vehicles in Rank V. This is mainly due to its extremely effective High-Explosive shell, however this is balanced by the shell's low velocity, in which the player must literally lob the shell in a arc at their opponent even for a short distance, and the vehicle's generally light armour and limited gun traverse compared to other SPGs.

== General info ==
=== Survivability and armour ===
{{Specs-Tank-Armour}}

'''Armour type:'''

* Rolled homogeneous armour

{| class="wikitable"
|-
! Armour !! Front !! Sides !! Rear !! Roof
|-
| Hull || 12 mm (80°) ''Front glacis'' 15 mm (63°) ''Joint plate'' 25 mm (37-64°) ''Lower glacis'' || 25 mm (28-36°) ''Top Left'' 25 mm (25-26°) ''Top Right'' 20 mm ''Bottom'' || 17 mm (70°) 20 mm (4-69°) || 8.5-12 mm
|-
| Turret || 25 mm (15°) || 20 mm (0-11°) || N/A || 12 mm
|-
|}
'''Notes:'''

* Suspension wheels and tracks are both 15 mm thick.

=== Mobility ===
{{Specs-Tank-Mobility}}


{{tankMobility|abMinHp=241|rbMinHp=150}}

=== Modifications and economy ===
{{Specs-Economy}}

== Armaments ==
{{Specs-Tank-Armaments}}
=== Main armament ===
{{Specs-Tank-Weapon|1}}

{{main|Type 38 (150 mm)}}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="100%"
|-
! colspan="5" | [[Type 38 (150 mm)|150 mm Type 38]] || colspan="5" | Turret rotation speed (°/s) || colspan="4" | Reloading rate (seconds)
|-
! Mode !! Capacity !! Vertical !! Horizontal !! Stabilizer
! Stock !! Upgraded !! Full !! Expert !! Aced
! Stock !! Full !! Expert !! Aced
|-
! ''Arcade''
| rowspan="2" | 28 || rowspan="2" | -10°/+20° || rowspan="2" | ±5° || rowspan="2" | N/A || 5.3 || 7.3 || 8.9 || 9.8 || 10.4 || rowspan="2" | 17.29 || rowspan="2" | 15.30 || rowspan="2" | 14.10 || rowspan="2" | 13.30
|-
! ''Realistic''
| 3.6 || 4.2 || 5.1 || 5.6 || 6.0
|-
|}

==== Ammunition ====
{| class="wikitable sortable" style="text-align:center" width="100%"
! colspan="8" | Penetration statistics
|-
! rowspan="2" data-sort-type="text" | Ammunition
! rowspan="2" | Type of warhead
! colspan="6" | Penetration @ 0° Angle of Attack (mm)
|-
! 10 m !! 100 m !! 500 m !! 1,000 m !! 1,500 m !! 2,000 m
|-
| Type 95 APHE || APHE || 38 || 37 || 35 || 33 || 31 || 31
|-
| Type 92 HE || HE || 55 || 55 || 55 || 55 || 55 || 55
|-
|}
{| class="wikitable sortable" style="text-align:center" width="100%"
! colspan="9" | Shell details
|-
! rowspan="2" data-sort-type="text" | Ammunition
! rowspan="2" | Velocity (m/s)
! rowspan="2" | Projectile Mass (kg)
! rowspan="2" | Fuse delay (m)
! rowspan="2" | Fuse sensitivity (mm)
! rowspan="2" | Explosive Mass (TNT equivalent) (g)
! colspan="3" | Ricochet
|-
! 0% !! 50% !! 100%
|-
| Type 95 APHE || 290 || 36.1 || 1.2 || 19 || 2,600 || 47° || 60° || 65°
|-
| Type 92 HE || 290 || 36 || 0 || 0.1 || 7,020 || 79° || 80° || 81°
|-
|}

==== [[Ammo racks]] ====
[[File:Ammoracks_{{PAGENAME}}.png|right|thumb|250px|[[Ammo racks]] of the {{PAGENAME}}]]

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! Full ammo
! Ammo part
! 1st rack empty
! 2nd rack empty
! 3rd rack empty
! 4th rack empty
! Visual discrepancy
|-
| '''28''' || ''Projectiles'' ''Propellants'' || 22 ''(+6)'' 22 ''(+6)'' || 14 ''(+14)'' 14 ''(+14)'' || 10  ''(+18)'' 10 ''(+18)'' || 1 ''(+27)'' 1 ''(+27)'' || No
|-
|}
'''Note''':

* The {{PAGENAME}} uses two-piece ammunition, composed of propellant bags (orange) and projectiles (yellow). Both have separate racks.

=== Machine guns ===
{{Specs-Tank-Weapon|2}}

{{main|Type 97 (7.7 mm)}}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="50%"
|-
! colspan="5" | [[Type 97 (7.7 mm)|7.7 mm Type 97]]
|-
! Mount !! Capacity (Belt) !! Fire rate !! Vertical !! Horizontal
|-
| Pintle || 3,000 (20) || 499 || -10°/+60° || ±60°
|-
|}

== Usage in battles ==

The Ho-Ro is a fairly manoeuvrable SPG, and like many other open-topped vehicles, this is not one that should charge into the front-lines. Just like many of the other low-rank Japanese vehicles, it has no real armour protection from anything more than rifle-calibre MGs, and its ammo storage is literally a box mounted on top of the engine deck. The crew is very exposed, and the gun breech is mounted rather high on the chassis and can be easily knocked out. With this knowledge in mind, the Ho-Ro is best played by staying in the rear (but not distantly) of friendly tanks as short-range or point-blank artillery fire, along with finding hidden positions where it can attempt to be hull-down out of sight of the enemy.

Due to its low-velocity shell, the gun often needs to be aimed higher than the commander estimates when performing direct-fire onto a target, but this also allows the vehicle to lob shells from behind shallow hills, out of the sight from opponents that may be camping or pushing into friendly territory on the other side. Note however that because its HE shell is so powerful, it is '''''extremely risky to fire directly next to or very close to an enemy vehicle''''', as the light armour may not protect the crew, and the blast from the shell's explosion it will certainly deal damage to the vehicle itself. The gun, while powerful, cannot traverse very far to either side and its depression is actually depressing (-10°), so in order to fire on tanks that are outside of the arc of the gun's horizontal traverse or down a hillside, the entire hull must be traversed as well. The recoil of the gun is also an issue, as it throws the vehicle backwards rather severely (just like the M-56 Scorpion), which means it loses target acquisition every time it fires.

One interesting note is the pintle-mounted MG on the roof, which has good elevation and a much wider range of horizontal fire than the main gun, which can be useful on spotting enemy tanks for team-mates or dealing with [[:Category:Anti-aircraft_vehicles|SPAA]]s that have exposed gun-crews. However, it has a slower rate of fire than most other rifle-calibre MGs and its magazine capacity is pitiful. In conclusion, the Ho-Ro is a very defensive vehicle suited to supporting friendly tanks and ambushing the enemy on paths where they may attempt to flank around the map.

=== Pros and cons ===


'''Pros:'''

* 150 mm howitzer makes it an intimidating foe
* Howitzer's round trajectory makes it able to fire over hills
* More TNT in its HE shells than the KV-2 (OF-530 HE shell has 6.86kg of TNT, compared to 7.2kg of TNT in the Type 92 HE shell)
* HE load can cause sufficient splash and shrapnel damage even if the shell doesn't directly hit the target
* Can destroy most, if not all, vehicles by shooting HE just under an enemy tank and hitting the thin belly armour
* Can deter inattentive flak trucks or any vehicles with open and exposed crew with its roof-mounted MG
* Quick, manoeuvrable in both AB and RB, though slightly sluggish to put into gear in the latter
* Good 10 degrees of gun depression
* HE Shell will destroy any vehicle you come up against

'''Cons:'''

* Super thin armour, extremely vulnerable to heavy machine guns, SPAAs, and aircraft
* Extreme blast radius can destroy the vehicle if fired too close to oneself
* Ammo Rack is literally a box behind the crew on top of the engine deck, leading to some very explosive ends if hit there
* Massive recoil causes the vehicle to be launched backwards after firing, requiring aiming adjustment after every shot
* Horizontal traverse is disappointing
* Very slow muzzle velocity and limited range
* At long range, the shells have a habit of bouncing harmlessly off armour surfaces without exploding
* AP Shell lacking in penetration for the calibre relies more on HE power

== History ==


The Type 4 Ho-Ro was a Self Propelled Gun developed by the Imperial Japanese Army based off of the German Grille series. It was developed off the Type 97 Chi-Ha chassis and used a 150 mm Kruppe gun, considered outdated by 1942. It was used to combat American forces. Only few were made, and out of those few 8 were sunk with a Japanese ship somewhere in the Pacific. Usually deployed in groups of 4, it was used in the Philippines during late 1944 and then used in ones and twos on Okinawa, with a somewhat great affect. It was ineffective due to its 3 degrees of gun swing and 30 degrees of depression because of the gun mounts design. That gave it a small firing distance of 6,000 m. It also could only fire 5 shells per minute because of the breechloader.

== Media ==


;Skins

* [https://live.warthunder.com/feed/camouflages/?vehicle=jp_type_4_ho_ro Skins and camouflages for the {{PAGENAME}} from live.warthunder.com.]

;Videos
{{Youtube-gallery|_xCgMBOiA8U|'''High-explosive power''' discusses the {{PAGENAME}} at 5:23 - ''War Thunder Official Channel''}}

== See also ==
''Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:''

* ''reference to the series of the vehicles;''
* ''links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.''

== External links ==


* [[Wikipedia:Type_4_Ho-Ro|[Wikipedia] Type 4 Ho-Ro]]

=== References ===
<references />

{{Japan tank destroyers}}

User:U87387478

2022-02-08T11:35:27Z

U87387478:

Playing War Thunder since 2019.

Found out there was a Wiki.

Wanted to help.

Focussing on Japan.

Not native English speaker ._.

Trying my best in English.

Chi-Ha LG

2022-02-06T22:43:36Z

U87387478: /* Usage in battles */

{{About
| about = Japanese medium tank '''{{PAGENAME}}'''
| usage = other uses
| link = Chi-Ha (Family)
}}
{{Specs-Card
|code=jp_navy_120mm_spg
|images={{Specs-Card-Image|GarageImage_{{PAGENAME}}.jpg|ArtImage_{{PAGENAME}}.png}}
}}

== Description ==

The '''{{Specs|name}} / Long 12cm SPG''' ({{Annotation|長十二糎自走砲|Naga-Jūni Senchimētoru Ji Hashi-Hō}}) is a rank {{Specs|rank}} Japanese tank destroyer {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update "Raining Fire"]].

== General info ==
=== Survivability and armour ===
{{Specs-Tank-Armour}}


'''Armour type:'''

* Rolled homogeneous armour (Hull)
* Structural steel (Gun breech and mount)

{| class="wikitable"
|-
! Armour !! Front (Slope angle) !! Sides !! Rear
|-
| Hull || 25 mm || 25 mm ''Top'' 25 mm ''Bottom'' || 20 mm
|-
| Turret || 10 mm ''Turret front'' 10 mm ''Gun mantlet''
|-
|}

=== Mobility ===
{{Specs-Tank-Mobility}}


{{tankMobility|abMinHp=241|rbMinHp=150}}

=== Modifications and economy ===
{{Specs-Economy}}

== Armaments ==
{{Specs-Tank-Armaments}}
=== Main armament ===
{{Specs-Tank-Weapon|1}}

{{main|10th Year Type (120 mm)}}

This gun shouldn't be confused with the one on the [[Chi-Ha Short Gun]], while said Chi-Ha has a short gun meant for transport ships on anti submarine & close range fire range, the 12cm/45 10th Year was used as coastal emplacements and outfitted on early Japanese cruisers. It offers a high velocity gun to fling HE over the map with quite an ease.

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="100%"
|-
! colspan="5" | [[10th Year Type (120 mm)|120 mm 10th Year Type]] || colspan="5" | Turret rotation speed (°/s) || colspan="4" | Reloading rate (seconds)
|-
! Mode !! Capacity !! Vertical !! Horizontal !! Stabilizer
! Stock !! Upgraded !! Full !! Expert !! Aced
! Stock !! Full !! Expert !! Aced
|-
! ''Arcade''
| rowspan="2" | 10 || rowspan="2" | -10°/+15° || rowspan="2" | ±60° || rowspan="2" | N/A || 8.80 || 12.19 || 14.80 || 16.37 || 17.41 || rowspan="2" | 13.00 || rowspan="2" | 11.50 || rowspan="2" | 10.60 || rowspan="2" | 10.00
|-
! ''Realistic''
| 5.95 || 7.00 || 8.50 || 9.40 || 10.00
|-
|}

==== Ammunition ====
{| class="wikitable sortable" style="text-align:center" width="100%"
! colspan="8" | Penetration statistics
|-
! rowspan="2" data-sort-type="text" | Ammunition
! rowspan="2" | Type of warhead
! colspan="6" | '''Penetration @ 0° Angle of Attack (mm)'''
|-
! 10 m !! 100 m !! 500 m !! 1,000 m !! 1,500 m !! 2,000 m
|-
| Ordinary, Mod.1 || HE || 25 || 25 || 25 || 25 || 25 || 25
|-
| C.P.(BF) || SAPCBC || 103 || 102 || 95 || 87 || 80 || 74
|-
|}
{| class="wikitable sortable" style="text-align:center" width="100%"
! colspan="10" | Shell details
|-
! rowspan="2" data-sort-type="text" | Ammunition
! rowspan="2" | Type of warhead
! rowspan="2" | Velocity (m/s)
! rowspan="2" | Projectile Mass (kg)
! rowspan="2" | Fuse delay (m)
! rowspan="2" | Fuse sensitivity (mm)
! rowspan="2" | Explosive Mass (TNT equivalent) (g)
! colspan="3" | Ricochet
|-
! 0% !! 50% !! 100%
|-
| Ordinary, Mod.1 || HE || 825 || 20.4 || 0 || 0.1 || 1,970 || 79° || 80° || 81°
|-
| C.P.(BF) || SAPCBC || 825 || 20.4 || 1.2 || 19 || 1,870 || 48° || 63° || 71°
|-
|}

==== [[Ammo racks]] ====
[[File:Ammoracks_{{PAGENAME}}.png|right|thumb|x250px|[[Ammo racks]] of the {{PAGENAME}}]]

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! Full ammo
! 1st rack empty
! Visual discrepancy
|-
| '''10''' || 1 ''(+9)'' || No
|-
|}
Note:

* Shells are modeled individually and disappear after having been shot or loaded.

== Usage in battles ==

The Chi-Ha LG should be played as a sniper vehicle at every BR. It´s good muzzle velocity and powerful shells (contains up to 1.7 kg of explosives) makes it a threat for every vehicle at it´s BR and above. However, only being able to carry 10 shells is a disadvantage. Staying near captured points is ideal to refill your ammunition storage when necessary. Due to it´s massive gun and gun breech, enemy tanks and planes will likely to see you first, so stay behind bushes or cover. Also staying near buildings or trees will give the enemy planes a harder time to see you. Avoid open fields. Armor is non existent. Even 7,92 mm machine guns can almost kill the whole crew. Only the driver is protected. When no machine guns or machine cannons are used by the enemy, the Chi-Ha LG can get very survivable. If the enemy fires a shell at you, they will most likely hit the driver one of the two loaders. Leaving the rest of the crew alive. Despite having a 120 mm gun with good muzzle velocity, it only has 103 mm of penetration. That means the "click and fire" option won´t always work.

'''Enemies worth noting:'''

[[M4A3 (105)]]: This low-rank sherman has strong enough frontal armor, to withstand a 120 mm shell. Try to shoot at the armor on the gun mantlet. It won´t be easy, but a succesful hit will reward you with the knock out for the sherman.

[[KV-1 (L-11)]]: This heavy tank could be a hard nut to crack for the LG if faced frontally. When the KV-1 is unangled, try to shoot the drivers port or the armor on the gun mantlet. When angled , avoid the drivers port and shoot the armor near the gun mantlet only.

=== Pros and cons ===


'''Pros:'''

* High shell velocity
* Quick reload for a gun of its size
* The C.P.(BF) combines the penetration of APHE and the splash-damage capability of HE. The explosion of a non-penetrating hit to a cupola can wreck the roof armor of a tank
* Versatile Chi-Ha chassis
** Quite fast (up to {{Annotation|44 km/h|Arcade battles}} | {{Annotation|39 km/h|Realistic / Simulator battles}}), allowing it to get to certain spots in time
** Great turning ability in low gear
** Lovely climbing ability, Good to get in sniper locations

'''Cons:'''

* Gun shield is small and thin, doesn't provide too much cover
* Only one crew member is inside the tank
** Vehicle can be destroyed due low caliber MG fire even with full crew
** Two loader crew in the back of the tank have no direct cover
* 10 shells max
* Ammunition is very exposed, one lucky shot can destroy the vehicle
* Shells might have some trouble penetrating the front armor of some tanks, especially in uptiers

== History ==

{{main|Chi-Ha (Family)|l1=History of the Type 97 Chi-Ha}}

As the Chi-Ha was very structurally sound and is able to withstand high amounts of additional weights while maintaining stable stress-levels and speed. This made it a great testbed for heavier weapons and equipment.

;;Design

One of these additions/variants was a Japanese Navy Construction Headquarters refit of the Chi-Ha to carry the [[120 mm/45 10th year type (120 mm)|12 cm/45 10th Year naval cannon]] at the end of the war. Information of the development of the Chi-Ha Long Gun is scarce but what is certain is that they were to be constructed in defence of the homeland in-case of the highly probable American invasion, target allied armour and reposition after being shown.

Very slight changes took place with the most notable being the addition of a muzzle brake. The Chi-Ha would be simply used as a moving platform and hence all the default equipment from turret, hull machine gun, radio equipment and other interior pieces were stripped in exchange for ammo storage. The 12cm cannon was bolted on the hull and used similarly to the [[Archer]] in practice, firing from the rear to maintain recoil levels while firing.

The crew consisted out of 5 people; the driver, tank commander, two gun crew, and an ammunition carrier. The cannon could elevate 20° and decline to -10°. Operating the cannon wasn't an easy task either due to the set-up of the gun on the plain back of the Chi-Ha. On top of the fire rate of 2 shells per minute, this would take a massive toll once in actual combat.

;;Usage

The first test took place in April of 1945 on mobility and firing. 30 shots were fired at varying distances with upgraded cannon sights, with the longest shot during the test being around 3 km. No discrete information about penetration capabilities were recorded or made it to the post-war reports.

While production plans were approved, no further vehicles beyond the prototype were recorded as being built or near completion by the end of the war.

The prototype recorded by the US was found with the Yokosuka 15th unit and is the only footage on said vehicle.

=== [[wt:en/news/6840-development-chi-ha-long-gun-the-last-chance-gun-en|Devblog]] ===
This curious prototype of a self-propelled gun was discovered in the territory of the Yokosuka naval base after Imperial Japan surrendered in WWII. The 120mm naval gun was installed on a turntable mounted to the chassis of a Type 97 Chi-Ha medium tank. It was obvious, that the self-propelled gun was assembled in a rush - the high losses of Japan in the final stages of WWII and a shortage of military production forced the army and naval commands to look for any way to protect the island metropolia of the Empire from the threat of an Allied landing.

The self-propelled gun did not have any protection, the large calibre of the cannon and the weak platform of the medium tank presupposed firing mainly direct fire and in the rather limited arcs of forward and backward to avoid overturning due to the heavy recoil. Despite all these shortcomings, such vehicles were supposed to go into series for rapid deployment in dangerous sectors of the coastal defense line for the Japanese islands and firing at a line-of-sight distance at approaching enemy forces.

== Media ==

{{main|Chi-Ha (Family)#Media|l1=Media of the Type 97 Chi-Ha}}

;Skins

* [https://live.warthunder.com/feed/camouflages/?vehicleCountry=japan&vehicleType=tank&vehicleClass=tank_destroyer&vehicle=jp_navy_120mm_spg Skins and camouflages for the {{PAGENAME}} from live.warthunder.com.]

;Images
<gallery mode="packed" heights="150">
File:Chi-Ha Long Gun (1).png|
File:Chi-Ha Long Gun (3).png|
File:Chi-Ha Long Gun (2).png|
</gallery>

;Videos
{{Youtube-gallery|GpCq7QDEjBk|'''The Shooting Range #220''' - ''Metal Beasts'' section at 00:28 discusses the {{PAGENAME}}.|-wIA6AuMBYo|Captured Experimental ''Long 12cm Chi-Ha''}}

== See also ==


;Related Development

* Directly Related:
** [[Chi-Ha Kai|Type 97 Chi-Ha]] (base hull)

* Related:
** [[Chi-Ha Short Gun|Type 97 Chi-Ha Short Gun]] (another navy variant)

;Tanks of comparable role, configuration and era

* [[8,8 cm Flak 37 Sfl.]]
* [[VFW]]
* [[YaG-10 (29-K)]]
* [[QF 3.7 Ram]]
* [[Pvkv II]]

== External links ==


* [[wt:en/news/6840-development-chi-ha-long-gun-the-last-chance-gun-en|[Devblog] Chi-Ha Long Gun: The Last Chance Gun]]

{{Japan tank destroyers}}

Ka-Chi

2021-08-15T09:36:01Z

U87387478: /* Usage in battles */

{{Specs-Card
|code=jp_type_3_ka_chi
|images={{Specs-Card-Image|GarageImage_{{PAGENAME}}.jpg}}
}}

== Description ==

The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a premium gift rank {{Specs|rank}} Japanese medium tank {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced during [[Update "Red Skies"]] as a reward for the [[wt:en/news/7267-event-summer-landing-en|2021 Summer Landing event]].

This vehicle might seem familiar to some Japanese players as this is essentially a waterborne [[Chi-He]], boasting the same turret, max armour of 50 mm, and the same engine.

== General info ==
=== Survivability and armour ===
{{Specs-Tank-Armour}}

At a first glimpse, the armour might look unappealing and weak sides but if one takes a literal dive in the armour profile it will become apparent that the tank isn't built like a conventional tank but as a submarine. It has a {{Annotation|light hull|The outer non-watertight hull which provides a hydrodynamically efficient shape}} and a {{Annotation|pressure hull|The inner hull of a submarine that maintains structural integrity with the difference between outside and inside pressure at depth.}} which both are 10 mm with air in-between, which can protect the tank from depths up to 100 m and tank cannons alike, even withstanding low-end HEAT rounds.

The frontal armour of the Ka-Chi will look very similar to that of the Chi-He maxing out at 50 mm, which with installed pontoons will become even better with spaced armour to boot, defeating most HEAT & HE rounds, and stopping most AP shells as it loses most velocity before it reaches the frontal hull.

The unconventional armour profile of this tank including the plenty of spaced-out crew makes for a very survivable landship of a tank and shouldn't be messed around with.

'''Armour type:'''

* Rolled homogeneous armour

{| class="wikitable"
|-
! Armour !! Front (Slope angle) !! Sides !! Rear !! Roof
|-
| Hull || 50 mm (17°) ''Front plate'' 10 mm (85°) ''Front glacis'' 50 mm (9°) ''Joint plate'' 25 mm (54°) ''Lower glacis'' || 10 + 10 mm || 10 mm 20 mm ''Bulkhead'' || 10 mm
|-
| Turret || 25 + 25 mm (10°) ''Turret front'' 50 mm (0-10°) ''Gun mantlet'' || 25 mm (10°) || 25 mm ''Turret rear'' 50 mm (0-57°) ''Machine gun port'' || 12 mm
|-
|}
'''Notes:'''

* Tracks and suspension wheels are 20 mm thick.
* Front of turret has bolted on 25 mm armour to total up to 50 mm thick as the rest of the front.
* The hull is built like a submarine, having an outer light hull and a pressure hull both 10 mm thick.

=== Mobility ===
{{Specs-Tank-Mobility}}


{{tankMobility|abMinHp=372|rbMinHp=212}}

While this tank might share the same engine as the Chi-He, it still is larger and heavier, resulting in less power-to-weight ratio and worse acceleration. with the big and bulky profile, it still can keep up with the slower medium and heavy tanks of its BR. climbing hills and getting around corners will be slightly tougher than the average tank especially with pontoons installed.

=== Modifications and economy ===
{{Specs-Economy}}

== Armaments ==
{{Specs-Tank-Armaments}}
=== Main armament ===
{{Specs-Tank-Weapon|1}}

{{main|Type 1 (47 mm)}}

Comparatively to other light and medium tanks at this battle rating, the 47 mm Type 1 gun is quite surprising with 77 mm of penetration at point-blank range and has a good reload speed. Plus, this fires APHE shells, which deal great post-penetration damage. Comparatively, the 45 mm 20-K gun on Soviet tanks at ranks 1 and 2 has only 62 mm of penetration in similar conditions.

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="100%"
|-
! colspan="5" | [[Type 1 (47 mm)|47 mm Type 1]] || colspan="5" | Turret rotation speed (°/s) || colspan="4" | Reloading rate (seconds)
|-
! Mode !! Capacity !! Vertical !! Horizontal !! Stabilizer
! Stock !! Upgraded !! Full !! Expert !! Aced
! Stock !! Full !! Expert !! Aced
|-
! ''Arcade''
| rowspan="2" | 120 || rowspan="2" | -10°/+24° || rowspan="2" | ±180° || rowspan="2" | Shoulder || 14.3 || 19.8 || 24.0 || 26.5 || 28.2 || rowspan="2" | 4.29 || rowspan="2" | 3.80 || rowspan="2" | 3.50 || rowspan="2" | 3.30
|-
! ''Realistic''
| 8.9 || 10.5 || 12.7 || 14.1 || 15.0
|-
|}

==== Ammunition ====
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="100%"
! colspan="8" | Penetration statistics
|-
! rowspan="2" data-sort-type="text" | Ammunition
! rowspan="2" | Type of warhead
! colspan="6" | Penetration @ 0° Angle of Attack (mm)
|-
! 10 m !! 100 m !! 500 m !! 1,000 m !! 1,500 m !! 2,000 m
|-
| Type 1 APHE || APHE || 77 || 75 || 67 || 58 || 50 || 44
|-
|}
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="100%"
! colspan="10" | Shell details
|-
! rowspan="2" data-sort-type="text" | Ammunition
! rowspan="2" | Type of warhead
! rowspan="2" | Velocity (m/s)
! rowspan="2" | Projectile Mass (kg)
! rowspan="2" | Fuse delay (m)
! rowspan="2" | Fuse sensitivity (mm)
! rowspan="2" | Explosive Mass (TNT equivalent) (g)
! colspan="3" | Ricochet
|-
! 0% !! 50% !! 100%
|-
| Type 1 APHE || APHE || 808 || 1.49 || 1.2 || 9 || 22.4 || 47° || 60° || 65°
|-
|}

==== [[Ammo racks]] ====
[[File:Ammoracks_{{PAGENAME}}.png|right|thumb|x250px|[[Ammo racks]] of the {{PAGENAME}}]]

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! Full ammo
! 1st rack empty
! 2nd rack empty
! 3rd rack empty
! 4th rack empty
! Visual discrepancy
|-
| '''120''' || 115 ''(+5)'' || 75 ''(+45)'' || 35 ''(+85)'' || 1 ''(+119)'' || No
|-
|}
'''Notes''':

* Shells are modeled individually in rack n°1 and disappear after having been shot or loaded.
* As they are modeled by sets of 2, shells from racks 2 to 4 disappear from the rack only after you fire both shells in the set.

=== Machine guns ===
{{Specs-Tank-Weapon|3}}

{{main|Type 97 (7.7 mm)}}

The only usable machine gun mounted in the Ka-Chi is the hull machine gun which, once pontoons are installed, is disabled. Only once the hull is uninstalled it can be utilized to very limited extents, as it has a narrow arc of firing, small clip size and only fires rifle-calibre bullets, just good enough to deal with trucks and exposed crews.

It is discouraged to pull off the pontoons just for the machine gun.

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="50%"
|-
! colspan="5" | [[Type 97 (7.7 mm)|7.7 mm Type 97]]
|-
! Mount !! Capacity (Belt) !! Fire rate !! Vertical !! Horizontal
|-
| Hull || 4,000 (20) || 499 || ±5° || ±7°
|-
|}

== Usage in battles ==

When downtiered, the tank can be almost invincible. It can survive most enemy shells on it´s BR. The surprisingly good armor and the good survivability can make it to a heavy brawler. It´s 47 mm gun won´t have any trouble to penetrate the enemy armor on it´s BR. But keep in mind that the armor is thick, but also flat. Angling gives the tank a higher chance to bounce shells if you want to be sure.

When uptiered it should play as a support tank. Because on it´s uptiered BR there are some enemy guns, that can penetrate the armor of the Ka - Chi without trouble (even when angled). Also the 47 mm will begin to struggle on some enemy tanks.

In RB there is a higher chance, that planes will see you due to it´s large size. So do not go into open fields or large areas.

The ability to swim is not a big advantage but on some maps you could use it to flank the enemy.

=== Pros and cons ===
'''Pros:'''

* Relatively strong frontal armour at 50 mm
* Very capable 47 mm Type 1 cannon
** Cannon is shoulder stabilized being stable up to 12 km/h and slightly jittering off-target beyond said speed.
* Submarine like side hull construction works as spaced armour, defeating low end HEAT and HE
* large spacious crew, with 7 crew members being very survivable
* Once pontoons are installed:
** Counts as additional spaced armour for the front and back armour
** Gets a large commander cupola on the turret which doesn't connect to the turret as the hatch is closed, resulting in a fake weak spot
* Amphibious regardless of pontoons, those are for making the tank more seaworthy

'''Cons:'''

* Very large target
* Overall thin armour on side and back only going up to 20 mm
* Once pontoons are installed:
** Even larger target than before, becoming the largest tank in the game in both length and height
** -3° to maximum inclination
** 2,300 kg additional weight resulting in worse mobility

== History ==

With the success of the Navy's Type 2 Special Motorboat [[Ka-Mi]], a more ambitious project for a bigger, more advanced vehicle was forwarded. Called the Type 3 Special Motorboat, it was not only meant as a fully ocean-going boat, but capable of traveling underwater, although as cargo on the back of a submarine. To withstand the depths (reported as deep as 100 m / 330 ft), the primary pressure hull was a cylinder between 2.0 and 2.1 m (6 ft 7 in) in diameter. Most of the machinery was taken from the [[Chi-He (Family)|Type 1 Chi-He]] medium tank, presumably to save costs. Like the Ka-Mi, removable sea-going fore and aft pontoons were part of the design, however they were not required to be amphibious. Navigation was accomplished by rudders attached to the rear pontoon, but also the vehicle-mounted twin screws could be independently controlled to maintain a level of steering without the rudders. Nineteen units were reportedly built and extensively and successfully tested, but never used in combat.

== Media ==

''Excellent additions to the article would be video guides, screenshots from the game, and photos.''

== See also ==


* [[Ka-Mi]]
* [[Chi-He]]

== External links ==


*[[wt:en/news/7264-development-summer-marathon-vehicles-type-3-ka-chi-en|[Development] Summer marathon vehicles: Type 3 Ka-Chi]]

{{Japan medium tanks}}
{{Japan premium ground vehicles}}

Ka-Chi

2021-08-15T09:35:01Z

U87387478: /* Usage in battles */

{{Specs-Card
|code=jp_type_3_ka_chi
|images={{Specs-Card-Image|GarageImage_{{PAGENAME}}.jpg}}
}}

== Description ==

The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a premium gift rank {{Specs|rank}} Japanese medium tank {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced during [[Update "Red Skies"]] as a reward for the [[wt:en/news/7267-event-summer-landing-en|2021 Summer Landing event]].

This vehicle might seem familiar to some Japanese players as this is essentially a waterborne [[Chi-He]], boasting the same turret, max armour of 50 mm, and the same engine.

== General info ==
=== Survivability and armour ===
{{Specs-Tank-Armour}}

At a first glimpse, the armour might look unappealing and weak sides but if one takes a literal dive in the armour profile it will become apparent that the tank isn't built like a conventional tank but as a submarine. It has a {{Annotation|light hull|The outer non-watertight hull which provides a hydrodynamically efficient shape}} and a {{Annotation|pressure hull|The inner hull of a submarine that maintains structural integrity with the difference between outside and inside pressure at depth.}} which both are 10 mm with air in-between, which can protect the tank from depths up to 100 m and tank cannons alike, even withstanding low-end HEAT rounds.

The frontal armour of the Ka-Chi will look very similar to that of the Chi-He maxing out at 50 mm, which with installed pontoons will become even better with spaced armour to boot, defeating most HEAT & HE rounds, and stopping most AP shells as it loses most velocity before it reaches the frontal hull.

The unconventional armour profile of this tank including the plenty of spaced-out crew makes for a very survivable landship of a tank and shouldn't be messed around with.

'''Armour type:'''

* Rolled homogeneous armour

{| class="wikitable"
|-
! Armour !! Front (Slope angle) !! Sides !! Rear !! Roof
|-
| Hull || 50 mm (17°) ''Front plate'' 10 mm (85°) ''Front glacis'' 50 mm (9°) ''Joint plate'' 25 mm (54°) ''Lower glacis'' || 10 + 10 mm || 10 mm 20 mm ''Bulkhead'' || 10 mm
|-
| Turret || 25 + 25 mm (10°) ''Turret front'' 50 mm (0-10°) ''Gun mantlet'' || 25 mm (10°) || 25 mm ''Turret rear'' 50 mm (0-57°) ''Machine gun port'' || 12 mm
|-
|}
'''Notes:'''

* Tracks and suspension wheels are 20 mm thick.
* Front of turret has bolted on 25 mm armour to total up to 50 mm thick as the rest of the front.
* The hull is built like a submarine, having an outer light hull and a pressure hull both 10 mm thick.

=== Mobility ===
{{Specs-Tank-Mobility}}


{{tankMobility|abMinHp=372|rbMinHp=212}}

While this tank might share the same engine as the Chi-He, it still is larger and heavier, resulting in less power-to-weight ratio and worse acceleration. with the big and bulky profile, it still can keep up with the slower medium and heavy tanks of its BR. climbing hills and getting around corners will be slightly tougher than the average tank especially with pontoons installed.

=== Modifications and economy ===
{{Specs-Economy}}

== Armaments ==
{{Specs-Tank-Armaments}}
=== Main armament ===
{{Specs-Tank-Weapon|1}}

{{main|Type 1 (47 mm)}}

Comparatively to other light and medium tanks at this battle rating, the 47 mm Type 1 gun is quite surprising with 77 mm of penetration at point-blank range and has a good reload speed. Plus, this fires APHE shells, which deal great post-penetration damage. Comparatively, the 45 mm 20-K gun on Soviet tanks at ranks 1 and 2 has only 62 mm of penetration in similar conditions.

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="100%"
|-
! colspan="5" | [[Type 1 (47 mm)|47 mm Type 1]] || colspan="5" | Turret rotation speed (°/s) || colspan="4" | Reloading rate (seconds)
|-
! Mode !! Capacity !! Vertical !! Horizontal !! Stabilizer
! Stock !! Upgraded !! Full !! Expert !! Aced
! Stock !! Full !! Expert !! Aced
|-
! ''Arcade''
| rowspan="2" | 120 || rowspan="2" | -10°/+24° || rowspan="2" | ±180° || rowspan="2" | Shoulder || 14.3 || 19.8 || 24.0 || 26.5 || 28.2 || rowspan="2" | 4.29 || rowspan="2" | 3.80 || rowspan="2" | 3.50 || rowspan="2" | 3.30
|-
! ''Realistic''
| 8.9 || 10.5 || 12.7 || 14.1 || 15.0
|-
|}

==== Ammunition ====
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="100%"
! colspan="8" | Penetration statistics
|-
! rowspan="2" data-sort-type="text" | Ammunition
! rowspan="2" | Type of warhead
! colspan="6" | Penetration @ 0° Angle of Attack (mm)
|-
! 10 m !! 100 m !! 500 m !! 1,000 m !! 1,500 m !! 2,000 m
|-
| Type 1 APHE || APHE || 77 || 75 || 67 || 58 || 50 || 44
|-
|}
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="100%"
! colspan="10" | Shell details
|-
! rowspan="2" data-sort-type="text" | Ammunition
! rowspan="2" | Type of warhead
! rowspan="2" | Velocity (m/s)
! rowspan="2" | Projectile Mass (kg)
! rowspan="2" | Fuse delay (m)
! rowspan="2" | Fuse sensitivity (mm)
! rowspan="2" | Explosive Mass (TNT equivalent) (g)
! colspan="3" | Ricochet
|-
! 0% !! 50% !! 100%
|-
| Type 1 APHE || APHE || 808 || 1.49 || 1.2 || 9 || 22.4 || 47° || 60° || 65°
|-
|}

==== [[Ammo racks]] ====
[[File:Ammoracks_{{PAGENAME}}.png|right|thumb|x250px|[[Ammo racks]] of the {{PAGENAME}}]]

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! Full ammo
! 1st rack empty
! 2nd rack empty
! 3rd rack empty
! 4th rack empty
! Visual discrepancy
|-
| '''120''' || 115 ''(+5)'' || 75 ''(+45)'' || 35 ''(+85)'' || 1 ''(+119)'' || No
|-
|}
'''Notes''':

* Shells are modeled individually in rack n°1 and disappear after having been shot or loaded.
* As they are modeled by sets of 2, shells from racks 2 to 4 disappear from the rack only after you fire both shells in the set.

=== Machine guns ===
{{Specs-Tank-Weapon|3}}

{{main|Type 97 (7.7 mm)}}

The only usable machine gun mounted in the Ka-Chi is the hull machine gun which, once pontoons are installed, is disabled. Only once the hull is uninstalled it can be utilized to very limited extents, as it has a narrow arc of firing, small clip size and only fires rifle-calibre bullets, just good enough to deal with trucks and exposed crews.

It is discouraged to pull off the pontoons just for the machine gun.

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="50%"
|-
! colspan="5" | [[Type 97 (7.7 mm)|7.7 mm Type 97]]
|-
! Mount !! Capacity (Belt) !! Fire rate !! Vertical !! Horizontal
|-
| Hull || 4,000 (20) || 499 || ±5° || ±7°
|-
|}

== Usage in battles ==

When downtiered, the tank can be almost invincible. It can survive most enemy shells on it´s BR. The surprisingly good armor and the good survivability can make it to a heavy brawler. It´s 47 mm gun won´t have any trouble to penetrate the enemy armor on it´s BR. But keep in mind that the armor is thick, but also flat. Angling gives the tank a higher chance to bounce shells if you want to be sure.

When uptiered it should play as a support tank. Because on it´s uptiered BR there are some enemy guns, that can penetrate the armor of the Ka - Chi without any problem (even when angled). Also the 47 mm will begin to struggle on some enemy tanks.

In RB there is a higher chance, that planes will see you due to it´s large size. So do not go into open fields or large areas.

The ability to swim is not a big advantage but on some maps you could use it to flank the enemy.

=== Pros and cons ===
'''Pros:'''

* Relatively strong frontal armour at 50 mm
* Very capable 47 mm Type 1 cannon
** Cannon is shoulder stabilized being stable up to 12 km/h and slightly jittering off-target beyond said speed.
* Submarine like side hull construction works as spaced armour, defeating low end HEAT and HE
* large spacious crew, with 7 crew members being very survivable
* Once pontoons are installed:
** Counts as additional spaced armour for the front and back armour
** Gets a large commander cupola on the turret which doesn't connect to the turret as the hatch is closed, resulting in a fake weak spot
* Amphibious regardless of pontoons, those are for making the tank more seaworthy

'''Cons:'''

* Very large target
* Overall thin armour on side and back only going up to 20 mm
* Once pontoons are installed:
** Even larger target than before, becoming the largest tank in the game in both length and height
** -3° to maximum inclination
** 2,300 kg additional weight resulting in worse mobility

== History ==

With the success of the Navy's Type 2 Special Motorboat [[Ka-Mi]], a more ambitious project for a bigger, more advanced vehicle was forwarded. Called the Type 3 Special Motorboat, it was not only meant as a fully ocean-going boat, but capable of traveling underwater, although as cargo on the back of a submarine. To withstand the depths (reported as deep as 100 m / 330 ft), the primary pressure hull was a cylinder between 2.0 and 2.1 m (6 ft 7 in) in diameter. Most of the machinery was taken from the [[Chi-He (Family)|Type 1 Chi-He]] medium tank, presumably to save costs. Like the Ka-Mi, removable sea-going fore and aft pontoons were part of the design, however they were not required to be amphibious. Navigation was accomplished by rudders attached to the rear pontoon, but also the vehicle-mounted twin screws could be independently controlled to maintain a level of steering without the rudders. Nineteen units were reportedly built and extensively and successfully tested, but never used in combat.

== Media ==

''Excellent additions to the article would be video guides, screenshots from the game, and photos.''

== See also ==


* [[Ka-Mi]]
* [[Chi-He]]

== External links ==


*[[wt:en/news/7264-development-summer-marathon-vehicles-type-3-ka-chi-en|[Development] Summer marathon vehicles: Type 3 Ka-Chi]]

{{Japan medium tanks}}
{{Japan premium ground vehicles}}

Ho-I

2021-05-29T22:36:22Z

U87387478: Hull Break mechanics does not exist anymore in War Thunder. So I changed it a bit

{{Specs-Card
|code=jp_type_2_ho_i
|images={{Specs-Card-Image|GarageImage_{{PAGENAME}}.jpg|ArtImage_{{PAGENAME}}.png}}
}}

== Description ==

The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a rank {{Specs|rank}} Japanese medium tank {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced with the rest of the Japanese ground forces tree with [[Update 1.65 "Way of the Samurai"]]. It follows the [[Chi-Ha Kai]] and precedes the [[Chi-He]].

The general configuration and proportions of the Ho-I are largely similar to the previous Chi-Ha Kai. The most apparent differences are the angular, welded hull and turret, which will become a familiar sight for the rest of the Japanese medium tanks in Rank II and III. The protection is improved significantly, no longer having the paper-thin armour plaguing previous tanks, but it is still nothing to boast about. Closer inspection reveals a larger, stubby 75 mm gun that is trickier to use than the reliable 47 mm gun on the Chi-Ha Kai but can still pack a punch when used correctly. Overall, the Ho-I is comparable to the [[Pz.IV E]], a balanced medium tank with a short 75 mm gun.

== General info ==
=== Survivability and armour ===
{{Specs-Tank-Armour}}

The armour on the Ho-I, while being an upgrade over the Chi-Ha Kai - 50mm at the turret and hull front, compared to 32 on the turret and 25 on the hull for the Chi-Ha Kai, still leaves much to be desired. Most contemporary tank guns can penetrate the flatter surfaces and the side armour is not even completely proof to heavy machine guns. The internal modules aren't the most resilient, as the turret is rather cramped, stuffed with ammunition, the rather small cannon breech, and 3 crew members. A single APHE shell will almost invariably kill all the turret crew.

The armour consists of rolled mostly homogeneous armour, with cast homogeneous surrounding the gun barrel, protruding from the turret.

{| class="wikitable"
!Armour
!Front
!Sides
!Rear
!Roof
|-
|'''Hull'''
|50mm Front Plate, 16°
12mm Front Glacis, 76°
|25mm Hull below tracks 30°
20mm Hull above tracks, 0°
|20mm Rear, 1°
|12mm Roof, 86° (From a vertical plane.)
|-
|'''Turret'''
|50mm Turret Front, 16°
50mm Gun Mantlet, 16°
|25mm Sides, 9° Front Half, 10° Latter Half
|25mm Rear, 5°
|12mm Roof, 76° Front, 89° Middle, 74° Rear
12mm Hatch, 89°
|}
{| class="wikitable"
!Armour
!Sides
!Hatch
|-
|Cupola
|50mm Lower Part
25mm Upper Part
|12mm Hatch
|}

=== Mobility ===
{{Specs-Tank-Mobility}}


{{tankMobility|abMinHp=372|rbMinHp=212}}

The mobility of the Ho-I is improved over the Chi-Ha, the more powerful engine giving it a higher power-to-weight ratio. The relatively long tracks for a vehicle of this weight and width lead to fairly good cross-country mobility. While not a speedster, the Ho-I will not be completely left in the dust by light tanks and can still arrive at the battlefield reasonably quickly.

=== Modifications and economy ===
{{Specs-Economy}}

== Armaments ==
{{Specs-Tank-Armaments}}
=== Main armament ===
{{Specs-Tank-Weapon|1}}

{{main|Type 99 (75 mm)}}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="100%"
|-
! colspan="5" | [[Type 99 (75 mm)|75 mm Type 99]] || colspan="5" | Turret rotation speed (°/s) || colspan="4" | Reloading rate (seconds)
|-
! Mode !! Capacity !! Vertical !! Horizontal !! Stabilizer
! Stock !! Upgraded !! Full !! Expert !! Aced
! Stock !! Full !! Expert !! Aced
|-
! ''Arcade''
| rowspan="2" | 63 || rowspan="2" | -15°/+20° || rowspan="2" | ±180° || rowspan="2" | N/A || 13.33 || 18.45 || 22.40 || 24.77 || 26.35 || rowspan="2" | 7.67 || rowspan="2" | 6.79 || rowspan="2" | 6.25 || rowspan="2" | 5.90
|-
! ''Realistic''
| 8.33 || 9.80 || 11.90 || 13.16 || 14.00
|-
|}

==== Ammunition ====
{| class="wikitable sortable" style="text-align:center" width="100%"
! colspan="7" | Penetration statistics
|-
! rowspan="2" data-sort-type="text" | Ammunition
! colspan="6" | Penetration @ 0° Angle of Attack (mm)
|-
! 10 m !! 100 m !! 500 m !! 1,000 m !! 1,500 m !! 2,000 m
|-
| Type 95 APHE || 43 || 41 || 37 || 31 || 27 || 23
|-
| Type 94 HE || 12 || 12 || 12 || 12 || 12 || 12
|-
| Type 2 HEAT || 90 || 90 || 90 || 90 || 90 || 90
|-
|}
{| class="wikitable sortable" style="text-align:center" width="100%"
! colspan="9" | Shell details
|-
! rowspan="2" data-sort-type="text" | Ammunition
! rowspan="2" | Velocity (m/s)
! rowspan="2" | Projectile Mass (kg)
! rowspan="2" | Fuse delay (m)
! rowspan="2" | Fuse sensitivity (mm)
! rowspan="2" | Explosive Mass (TNT equivalent) (g)
! colspan="3" | Ricochet
|-
! 0% !! 50% !! 100%
|-
| Type 95 APHE || 450 || 6.21 || 1.2 || 14 || 460 || 47° || 60° || 65°
|-
| Type 94 HE || 522 || 6.02 || 0 || 0.1 || 810 || 79° || 80° || 81°
|-
| Type 2 HEAT || 350 || 3.56 || 0.05 || 0.1 || 640 || 62° || 69° || 73°
|-
|}
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
! colspan="7" | Smoke shell characteristics
|-
! Ammunition
! Velocity (m/s)
! Projectile Mass (kg)
! Screen radius (m)
! Screen deploy time (s)
! Screen hold time (s)
! Explosive Mass (TNT equivalent) (g)
|-
| Type 90 Smoke || 570 || 5.72 || 13 || 5 || 20 || 100
|-
|}

==== [[Ammo racks]] ====
[[File:Ammoracks_{{PAGENAME}}.png|right|thumb|x250px|[[Ammo racks]] of the {{PAGENAME}}]]

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! Full ammo
! 1st rack empty
! 2nd rack empty
! 3rd rack empty
! 4th rack empty
! Visual discrepancy
|-
| '''63''' || 55 ''(+ 8)'' || 42 ''(+ 21)'' || 22 ''(+ 41)'' || 1 ''(+ 62)'' || No
|-
|}

=== Machine guns ===
{{Specs-Tank-Weapon|2}}
{{Specs-Tank-Weapon|3}}

{{main|Type 97 (7.7 mm)}}

While it has the classic bow-mounted Type 97 machine gun featured by Japanese wartime tanks, the Ho-I also features another Type 97 on a pintle mount. The Type 97 is disappointing by rifle-calibre machine gun standards, having a very small magazine and a relatively low rate of fire. While this is not a big drawback when fighting other tanks, it makes mowing down open-topped SPAAs, fending off aircraft, and spotting enemies on the minimap more difficult. Having two of them compensates slightly for these flaws.

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="50%"
|-
! colspan="5" | [[Type 97 (7.7 mm)|7.7 mm Type 97]]
|-
! Mount !! Capacity (Belt) !! Fire rate !! Vertical !! Horizontal
|-
| Pintle || 1,000 (20) || 498 || -10°/+70° || ±60°
|-
| Hull || 3,000 (20) || 498 || ±8° || ±14°
|-
|}

== Usage in battles ==


The Ho-I should generally be played as a support tank. While its mobility is good, its gun packs a punch, and its armour is halfway decent, the poor ballistics of its shells and the substandard gun handling are a considerable liability at its rank, where speedy light tanks are common. A missed shot at closer distances against a Stuart or BT tank could have unfortunate consequences, allowing them to flank or put a round into the Ho-I's weak spots. Conversely, it should go without saying that the Ho-I makes for a poor sniper, so staying in back of the map and providing covering fire is unlikely to be productive. For those not very familiar with the tank, it is best to stay just behind advancing teammates and allow them to attract attention; this provides extra time to line up shots and avoids sudden surprises. When missing shots is less of a concern (e.g. against slow targets or in close quarters), the great firepower can be brought to bear.

The Ho-I has a sizeable arsenal of shell types. The stock Type 95 APHE round is quite underwhelming, having a bit less penetration than the [[Ke-Ni]] reserve tank's gun. The larger calibre provides some overmatch effect, but in general it is not a reliable weapon against anything more heavily armoured than a reserve tank. The [[M3A1 Stuart]]'s turret is immune to the round and the hull has a decent chance of shrugging off the shot at a slight distance! On the bright side, it contains an enormous 460 g of TNT filler, so any target that the shell manages to penetrate will be annihilated in short order. The Type 94 HE round has 12 mm of penetration and is of little value, though it may be useful for destroying soft targets with pressure effect. The unlockable Type 2 HEAT round has 90 mm of penetration at any distance. This is enough to go through the frontal armour of nearly all tanks at its rank, though the post-penetration damage can be punctual and it has the worst ballistics of any shell type available to the Ho-I. Try to aim for critical crew members or ammo racks. Lastly, the Type 90 smoke shell is available. While smoke is always nice to have, especially at lower ranks where fewer tanks have smoke grenades or shells, it is especially useful for tanks with low-velocity guns like the Ho-I. In a support role, smoke shells can be used to hide teammates and the user from view when driving in the open or capturing objectives, but they can also be used offensively by blinding entrenched targets. This makes it easier for the Ho-I to advance safely and get into firing range. If the enemies decide to leave the smoke cloud, they will be noticeable to the Ho-I slightly before their own vision clears up, providing time for a careful shot.

Experience gained with the Ho-I can be applied to some extent to the later [[Chi-He]], [[Chi-Nu]], and [[Chi-Nu II]], as they all use the same chassis. Out of these tanks, the Ho-I is the only model that has to deal with a low-velocity gun, but it currently has the lowest battle rating and the armour holds up the best as a result.

=== Pros and cons ===


'''Pros:'''

* 75 mm cannon can do respectable damage against other vehicles
* Improved armour and mobility in comparison to prior tanks
* Early access to HEAT rounds with good penetration
* Fast reverse speed (2 reverse gears)
* Awesome gun depression of -15°

'''Cons:'''

* Stock grind is terrible with about 40 mm of penetration on stock APHE which won't do much initially at the comparable battle rating
* Gun is hard to use, all ammunition types have low muzzle velocity
* Poor turret rotation speed
* Armour still inadequate to block tank shells or 20 mm autocannons firing HVAP from the front
* Slow traverse speed

== History ==


The standard tanks of the Imperial Japanese Army for much of the 1930s were the [[Ha-Go]], [[I-Go Ko]], and [[Chi-Ha]]. The last two were equipped with larger 57 mm low-velocity guns intended for use against both tanks and infantry. When used in the Japanese invasion of Manchuria, it was found that these weapons were still insufficient against fortifications, and hence an even bigger gun was required. The Chi-Ha was selected as a suitable platform for mounting a larger weapon due to its size and speed. The gun chosen was the Type 41 Mountain gun, a license built version of the Krupp 1908 Mountain gun originally purchased from Germany. After being adapted, it was redesignated the Type 99 75 mm gun, and the integration with the Chi-Ha chassis was completed around 1942.

The initial prototype Ho-I used the Chi-Ha chassis, but it was decided to switch to the improved [[Chi-He]] chassis for serial production. Further Ho-I examples were converted from existing Chi-He tanks. Mass production was not achieved due to the heavy bombing of Japanese industry in the later stages of World War II and the lack of raw materials. The program was finally cancelled in 1944 and completed Ho-I examples were reserved for home-defense in preparation for a US invasion of the Japanese mainland. The war ended before this came to pass. Details on the fate of the tanks in the postwar era are scarce. They were most likely examined and scrapped. No examples are known to exist today.

== Media ==
''Excellent additions to the article would be video guides, screenshots from the game, and photos.''

== See also ==
''Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:''

* ''reference to the series of the vehicles;''
* ''links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.''

== External links ==
''Paste links to sources and external resources, such as:''

* ''topic on the official game forum;''
* ''encyclopedia page on the tank;''
* ''other literature.''

{{Japan medium tanks}}

Valentine I

2021-05-15T14:42:08Z

U87387478: I wrote, that if you angle the hull of the Valentine. The enemy will even have a harder time to penetrate through your armor

{{Specs-Card
|code=uk_valentine_mk_1
|images={{Specs-Card-Image|GarageImage_{{PAGENAME}}.jpg}}
}}

== Description ==

The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a rank {{Specs|rank}} British medium tank {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update 1.55 "Royal Armour"]] along with the initial British ground tree. Britain's solution for a cheaper infantry tank, the Valentine boasts good armour, decent mobility, and a great gun to use against its foes.

== General info ==
=== Survivability and armour ===
{{Specs-Tank-Armour}}


With 60 mm thick unangled armour all around, this vehicle, even flanked, can soak up shots, provided the enemy shoots from a distance. Although, make sure to avoid directly facing tank destroyers since they tend to have big guns able to easily knock the Valentine out. Remember: the armour is thick, but flat, so avoid facing big guns. The crew compartment is rather cramped so the crew can usually get one-shot if the armour is penetrated. However if you angle the hull the enemy will even have a harder time to penetrate your armor.

'''Armour type:'''

* Rolled homogeneous armour
* Cast homogeneous armour (Front turret, Gun mantlet)

{| class="wikitable"
|-
! Armour !! Front !! Sides !! Rear !! Roof
|-
| Hull || 60 mm ''Front plate'' 30 mm (65-67°) ''Front glacis'' 60 mm (18°) ''Lower glacis'' || 30 mm (42°) ''Top'' 60 mm ''Bottom'' || 10 mm (59°) ''Top'' 60 mm ''Joint plate'' 15 mm (65°) ''Bottom'' || 10 mm
|-
| Turret || 65 mm (9-50°) ''Turret front'' 65 mm (7-78°) ''Gun mantlet'' || 60 mm || 65 mm (0-2°) || 16-65 mm
|-
|}
'''Notes:'''

* Suspension wheels, bogies, and tracks are 20 mm thick.
* Driver port on front plate is only 17 mm thick, a tiny weak point.

=== Mobility ===
{{Specs-Tank-Mobility}}


{{tankMobility|abMinHp= 209|rbMinHp= 119}}

The Valentine is not a fast tank to say the least. It reaches its max speed pretty fast... and stays there, like an old runner taking its beat. It struggles a bit climbing hills and decelerates a lot when turning. This vehicle's driving is comparable to that of a [[Churchill III]], but it does not turn on the spot. The Valentine series share a common British characteristic: painfully slow reverse speed (-3 km/h). The key with such a tank is to anticipate the paths while moving towards the front lines so as to not need to reverse.

=== Modifications and economy ===
{{Specs-Economy}}

== Armaments ==
{{Specs-Tank-Armaments}}
=== Main armament ===
{{Specs-Tank-Weapon|1}}

{{main|QF 2-pounder (40 mm)}}

The QF 2-pounder begins to encounter some difficulties at this rank, although its fast rate of fire can save the day by plundering the enemy with a shot every 4 seconds, almost twice the average rate of fire of its adversaries. This tank also has an awesome gun depression of -15°, a small, bouncy and sturdy turret, use it towards an advantage.

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="100%"
|-
! colspan="5" | [[QF 2-pounder (40 mm)|40 mm QF 2-pounder]] || colspan="5" | Turret rotation speed (°/s) || colspan="4" | Reloading rate (seconds)
|-
! Mode !! Capacity !! Vertical !! Horizontal !! Stabilizer
! Stock !! Upgraded !! Full !! Expert !! Aced
! Stock !! Full !! Expert !! Aced
|-
! ''Arcade''
| rowspan="2" | 61 || rowspan="2" | -15°/+20° || rowspan="2" | ±180° || rowspan="2" | Vertical || 15.23 || 21.08 || 25.60 || 28.31 || 30.12 || rowspan="2" | 3.64 || rowspan="2" | 3.22 || rowspan="2" | 2.97 || rowspan="2" | 2.80
|-
! ''Realistic''
| 9.52 || 11.20 || 13.60 || 15.04 || 16.00
|-
|}

==== Ammunition ====
{| class="wikitable sortable" style="text-align:center" width="100%"
! colspan="8" | Penetration statistics
|-
! rowspan="2" data-sort-type="text" | Ammunition
! rowspan="2" | Type of warhead
! colspan="6" | '''Penetration @ 0° Angle of Attack (mm)'''
|-
! 10 m !! 100 m !! 500 m !! 1,000 m !! 1,500 m !! 2,000 m
|-
| Shot Mk.1 AP/T || AP || 72 || 68 || 52 || 37 || 27 || 19
|-
| Shot Mk.IXB APCBC/T || APCBC || 89 || 86 || 77 || 66 || 57 || 50
|-
| Shot Mk.1 APHV/T || AP || 80 || 75 || 58 || 41 || 30 || 21
|-
| Shell Mk.1 AP/T || APHE || 66 || 62 || 49 || 36 || 26 || 20
|-
|}
{| class="wikitable sortable" style="text-align:center" width="100%"
! colspan="10" | Shell details
|-
! rowspan="2" data-sort-type="text" | Ammunition
! rowspan="2" | Type of warhead
! rowspan="2" | Velocity (m/s)
! rowspan="2" | Projectile Mass (kg)
! rowspan="2" | Fuse delay (m)
! rowspan="2" | Fuse sensitivity (mm)
! rowspan="2" | Explosive Mass (TNT equivalent) (g)
! colspan="3" | Ricochet
|-
! 0% !! 50% !! 100%
|-
| Shot Mk.1 AP/T || AP || 792 || 1.08 || N/A || N/A || N/A || 47° || 60° || 65°
|-
| Shot Mk.IXB APCBC/T || APCBC || 792 || 1.24 || N/A || N/A || N/A || 48° || 63° || 71°
|-
| Shot Mk.1 APHV/T || AP || 853 || 1.08 || N/A || N/A || N/A || 47° || 60° || 65°
|-
| Shell Mk.1 AP/T || APHE || 792 || 1.08 || 1.2 || 9 || 20.9 || 47° || 60° || 65°
|-
|}

==== [[Ammo racks]] ====
[[File:Ammoracks_ValentineMkI.png|right|thumb|x250px|[[Ammo racks]] of the {{PAGENAME}}]]

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! Full ammo
! 1st rack empty
! 2nd rack empty
! Visual discrepancy
|-
| '''61''' || 31 ''(+30)'' || 1 ''(+60)'' || Yes
|-
|}
Notes:

* Pack 31 ''(+30)'' shells to remove the large ring of ammunition.

==== [[Optics]] ====
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
! colspan="3" | {{PAGENAME}} Optics
|-
!
! Default magnification
! Maximum magnification
|-
! Main Gun optics
| x1.8 || x3.5
|-
! Comparable optics
| colspan="2" | [[Pz.III J1]]
|-
|}

=== Machine guns ===
{{Specs-Tank-Weapon|2}}

{{main|BESA (7.92 mm)}}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="50%"
|-
! colspan="5" | [[BESA (7.92 mm)|7.92 mm BESA]]
|-
! Mount !! Capacity (Belt) !! Fire rate !! Vertical !! Horizontal
|-
| Coaxial || 3,500 (225) || 600 || N/A || N/A
|-
|}

== Usage in battles ==

The Valentine Mk.1 is a bit of a hit or miss due to its relatively high BR: when uptiered, it plays like a British heavy tank, using its raw armour value to soak up shots. Having that much amour when matched against low-ranked tanks also means that the Valentine can take its time to aim at the weak spots/vital modules of the enemy. Otherwise, it plays like a pretty slow medium tank and should avoid the front lines since its cannon do so little damage.

The Valentine I is a team player, relying on its allies to provide damage while dragging attention from the enemy. It is a situational vehicle, its gameplay depends much on what it faces.

'''''Heavy tank''''' 
When against Rank I tanks, play it like an heavy tank: follow light and medium tanks and seek attention from the enemies by firing at many of them , preferably the ones with a light weapon (shoot the gunner for a better effect). This way, many enemies will try to shoot the Valentine down and will get outflanked by light tank allies (inexperienced players often suffer from "tunnel vision" when shooting at an enemy, the Valentine for instance). Stay at a distance, angle the armour a bit to maximise protection and preferably show only the turret, which is thicker and bouncy. Keep in mind to anticipate a fast exit way so that when an enemy with a good gun shows up, the Valentine could retreat as fast as possible.

'''''Close range support''''' 
Otherwise, facing low Rank II tanks, the Valentine should play as a support role, on the second line, preferably on the sides of the enemy. The main task here will be to distract enemies from stronger allies, making them turn their turret to shoot at the Valentine, only to realise they exposed their weak side armour to the allies. The 40 mm cannon does not allow for easy one-shot knock-outs: prepare to collect assists and support fire medals. Although, good close range penetration and fast firing rate can provide the Valentine with easy scores.

'''''Use the terrain''''' 
Utilizing the great gun depression of the Valentine will increase the firing effectiveness greatly in battle. Find a hill on the battle field and peak the turret over the top. The gun depression should allow for full coverage of the battle field, whilst the hill will keep the hull covered. The turret will be exposed, angled and a very hard target due to its small size and angulation. This can make the Valentine an almost immovable object on the battlefield, allowing it to pick off most targets. If any damage is taken, reverse behind the slope to recover. Be aware of flankers.

=== Pros and cons ===


'''Pros:'''

* Very good armour for its battle rating
* Gun has a very good penetration for its BR
* Very short reload time, even with an incapacitated crew member
* Good turret rotation speed
* Is a medium tank, but plays like a heavy tank and can call in artillery strikes which can be useful in certain situations
* Has smoke launchers
* Low profile
* Very small weak spots
* Can act as a distraction for teammates to flank around
* Angling the hull towards the enemy makes it harder to let them penetrate your armor

'''Cons:'''

* Very slow due to underpowered engine
* Handling is poor especially on rough terrain
* Is incredibly slow when navigating over hills
* Gun is inaccurate at longer ranges
* Only 3-man crew
* 40 mm AP shells may require multiple shots to down enemy tank
* Ammo rack is directly under the turret and easily set off if hit
* No access to HE shells
* Though small, the driver's port is a weak spot
* Large part of the rear armour is only 17 mm thick despite being sloped
* Terrible reverse speed
* Weak to HEAT and APCR shells
* Its poor speed makes it a perfect target for bombers as it can't escape quickly enough.

== History ==

===Development===
The experiences taken from the development of the A9, A10 cruiser tanks and the A11 infantry tank prompted Vickers-Armstrongs to begin development of a new tank. As a private venture, the design did not receive any designations from the British General Staff during its creation. The designing of the tank focused on the tank having the weight of a cruiser, but with the armour comparable to the infantry tanks. The basis was to have the vehicle with 60 mm of frontal armour and a 2-pounder gun in a two-man turret. To make it as light as possible, it was small and featured a cramped interior. The design used features taken from the A9 and A10 tanks so the design was easier to produce and cheaper to make. Vickers unveiled the design to War Office at February 10, 1938. While they initially viewed it unfavourably for its tiny two-man turret, they took it in April 1939 due to the growing tense situation in Europe with Nazi Germany, with the first order coming in May 1940 after the losses suffered by the British Expeditionary Forces in the Battle of France. The name '''Valentine''' was given to the tank sometime between its introduction to War Office and its adoption. The origin of the name is disputed, some say it was due to its introduction on February 14 in 1938 or 1940, other say it was the middle name of Sir John V. Carden, who helped design the Valentine's predecessors. Other sources say it is a name from the Vickers' company full name (Vickers-Armstrong Ltd Elswick & [Newcastle-upon] Tyne), and David Fletcher from Bovington Tank Museum says that "Valentine" was a code name used by the company for its development.

The Valentine was put into service as quickly as possible under the designation ''Tank, Infantry, Mk.III''. Vickers, Metropolitan-Cammell Carriage & Wagon, and Birmingham Railway Carriage & Wagon Company were all involved in the construction of this vehicle. During World War II, Canada was also contracted to build the Valentine to build up their own tank forces. The United Kingdom produced a total of 6,855 Valentines during the war between the three company while Canada built 1,420 Valentine tanks in their factories, for a total of 8,275 tanks produced, making the Valentine the most produced British tank in the entire war.

===Variants===
The Valentine is one of the most modified British tank in World War II, up to eleven variants were made during its entire production life.

* ''[[Valentine Mk I|Mark I]]'': The first one, it was built with a rivet construction, a 135 hp petrol engine, and a 2-pounder, but was not sent to combat due to mechanical problems.
* ''Mark II'': Uses a 131 hp diesel engine and has an auxiliary fuel tank added to the left hull.
* ''Mark III'': Has a slightly thinner side armour (60 mm to 50 mm) and a modified turret design, giving room for a loader in the tank, freeing the commander to do his job.
* ''Mark IV'' A modified Mk.II using an American 138 hp GMC diesel engine and an American-produced transmission, making the tank more reliable.
* ''Mark V'': The same as Mk.IV, except using the Mk.III as the basis.
* ''Mark VI'': A Canadian built Valentine, using Canadian and American parts and a GMC diesel engine, plus later switching the BESA machine gun into a Browning machine gun.
* ''Mark VII'': A Canadian Mk.VI with a new radio set and a modified interior. Another Mk.VII named the ''Mark VIIA'' has jettisonable fuel tanks and new tracks, oil cooler, and headlights.
* ''Mark VIII'': Uses a British AEC diesel engine and a modified turret to use the 6-pounder. The modification eliminated the coaxial machine gun from the design.
* ''[[Valentine Mk IX|Mark IX]]'': A Mk.V modified to take the 6-pounder as well, but with an armour reduction. Later version also had a stronger 165 hp GMC diesel engine installed.
* ''Mark X'': Features another modified turret design using the 6-pounder, but made it able to use a coaxial machine gun again and still uses the 165 hp diesel engine. Uses a welded construction
* ''[[Valentine Mk XI|Mark XI]]'': The Mk.X using the QF 75 mm gun instead of a 6-pounder, with the 210 hp diesel engine. However, these tanks only served as a command tank in the battlefield. Uses a welded construction

===Combat usage===
The Valentine mostly saw service in the North African Campaign, where the crew reported on it very favourable as a reliable and well-protected tank. The first unit who saw action with the Valentine was the 8th Royal Tank Regiment in Operation Crusader, where it was in the process of replacing the [[Matilda III]]. The reliability is expressed when some Valentine were reported to have travelled a distance of 4,800 km by the time the British reached Tunisia. The Valentine tanks soon saw wide-spread use by mid-1941 when they were issued out widely to armoured regiments due to the lack of cruiser tanks available to fill in the ranks.

However, the biggest weakness of the Valentine tank is the lack of high-explosive rounds for the 2-pounder, a weakness suffered by every other tank using the 2-pounder. This and the 2-pounder's growing deficiency against tank armour was remedied by the usage of the 6-pounder on the Valentine after the Mark VIII version, and then the QF 75 mm gun. However, these larger guns were harder to mount on the small Valentine turret and made for a cramped interior, even removing the established loader's position made in an enlarge turret for the 2-pounder. By the time these larger guns were introduced for the tank, better tanks were being introduced, such as the [[Churchill Mk III|Churchill heavy tanks]] from Britain and the [[M4|M4 Shermans]] from the Americans. Despite the better tanks, the Valentine's low height is able to exploit small cover on the battlefield and take up a good hull-down position behind hills.

Some Valentines were sent to the Soviet Union as part of the Lend-Lease program, most of the Valentines came from Canada's production lines. The Valentines saw use from the time of Battle of Moscow in 1941 all the way until the end of the war, though the Valentines saw use more as a second-line tank due to its relative weakness. It was criticized for its slow speed and weak gun, but was liked for its small size, reliability, and armour protection and thus the Soviet Supreme Command continue asking for it and its production to continue until the end of the war.

By 1944, the Valentine is mostly taken out from the front-line services and replaced by the newer tanks. A few were retained for special purposes and command vehicles for [[Archer]] units, which is a tank destroyer based off the Valentine chassis. The tank continue to see use in the Pacific in limited numbers until May 1945 in the 3rd New Zealand Division, some had their armaments changed to the larger 3-inch howitzer to use it stronger high-explosive ammunition against the Japanese. New Zealand kept the normal and modified Valentines all the way until 1955. The last known combat usage of the Valentine was on Cyprus in early 1960s when a turret-less Valentine was used by the Greek militia, added with a make-shift armour and a machine gunner position with a Bren gun.

===Survivors===
About forty Valentines and vehicles based off the Valentine chassis exist in various conditions in the world. Valentines in running condition exist in the Bovington Tank Museum and in private hands in New Zealand and United Kingdom. The Valentines survivors can be seen in UK, Canada, Belgium, France, Russia, Australia, and New Zealand.

== Media ==


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;Videos
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== See also ==
''Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:''

* ''reference to the series of the vehicles;''
* ''links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.''

== External links ==


* [[wt:en/news/3566-profile-small-slow-and-tough-valentine-mk-i-en|[Vehicle Profile] Small, Slow and Tough: Valentine Mk.I]]

{{Britain medium tanks}}

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Ta-Se

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{{Specs-Card
|code=jp_type_98_ta_se
|images={{Specs-Card-Image|GarageImage_{{PAGENAME}}.jpg|ArtImage_{{PAGENAME}}.png}}
}}

== Description ==

The '''{{specs|name}}''' is a rank {{specs|rank}} Japanese self-propelled anti-aircraft vehicle {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced along with the entire Japanese Ground Forces tree in [[Update_1.65_"Way_of_the_Samurai"|Update 1.65 "Way of the Samurai"]]

== General info ==
=== Survivability and armour ===
{{Specs-Tank-Armour}}
It shares the same chassis as the [[Ke-Ni|Type 98 Ke-Ni]], very thin armor in favour of speed, with a modified open top turret to be converted as an SPAAG.

'''Armour type:'''

* Rolled homogeneous armour

{| class="wikitable"
|-
! Armour !! Front !! Sides !! Rear !! Roof
|-
| Hull || 10 mm (22-25°) ''Front plate'' 9 mm (24°) ''Driver's port'' 9 mm (72°) ''Front glacis'' 16 mm (2-58°) ''Lower glacis'' || 12 mm (0-31°) ''Top'' 12 mm ''Bottom'' || 10 mm (52°) ''Top'' 10 mm (12-52°) ''Bottom'' || 10 mm
|-
| Turret || 12-16 mm (13-14°) ''Turret front'' 12 mm (0-1°) ''Gun mount'' || 12 mm (11-13°) || 12 mm (6-11°) || N/A
|-
|}
'''Notes:'''

* Suspension wheels and tracks are both 15 mm thick.
* Belly armour is 9 mm thick.
* Turret underside armour is 9 mm thick.

=== Mobility ===
{{Specs-Tank-Mobility}}
As mentioned the Ta-Se is built on the [[Ke-Ni|Type 98 Ke-Ni]] hull, which is a very maneuverable platform.

{{tankMobility|abMinHp= 136|rbMinHp= 115}}

=== Modifications and economy ===
{{Specs-Economy}}

== Armaments ==
{{Specs-Tank-Armaments}}
=== Main armament ===
{{Specs-Tank-Weapon|1}}

{{main|Type 98 (20 mm)}}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="100%"
|-
! colspan="6" | [[Type 98 (20 mm)|20 mm Type 98]] || colspan="5" | Turret rotation speed (°/s) || colspan="4" | Reloading rate (seconds)
|-
! Mode !! Capacity (Belt) !! Fire rate !! Vertical !! Horizontal !! Stabilizer
! Stock !! Upgraded !! Full !! Expert !! Aced
! Stock !! Full !! Expert !! Aced
|-
! ''Arcade''
| rowspan="2" | 400 (20) || rowspan="2" | 300 || rowspan="2" | -10°/+85° || rowspan="2" | ±180° || rowspan="2" | N/A || 35.22 || 48.75 || 59.20 || 65.47 || 69.65 || rowspan="2" | 3.90 || rowspan="2" | 3.40 || rowspan="2" | 3.20 || rowspan="2" | 3.00
|-
! ''Realistic''
| 23.80 || 30.64 || 34.00 || 37.60 || 40.00
|-
|}

==== Ammunition ====

* '''Default:''' {{Annotation|API-T|Armour-piercing incendiary tracer}}{{-}}{{Annotation|HEFI-T|High-explosive fragmentation incendiary tracer}}{{-}}{{Annotation|HEFI-T|High-explosive fragmentation incendiary tracer}} - This belt can fulfill both roles until the others are researched.
* '''Type 100 HE-T:''' {{Annotation|HEFI-T|High-explosive fragmentation incendiary tracer}} - These are best in the AA role but have no effect on enemy tanks except open-topped vehicles.
* '''Type 100 AP-T''' {{Annotation|API-T|Armour-piercing incendiary tracer}} - These are best against enemy tanks at close range and do good damage to planes. Concentrate your fire on weak spots like the sides and the rear.

{| class="wikitable sortable" style="text-align:center" width="100%"
! colspan="7" | Penetration statistics
|-
! rowspan="2" data-sort-type="text" | Belt
! colspan="6" | '''Penetration @ 0° Angle of Attack (mm)'''
|-
! 10 m !! 100 m !! 500 m !! 1,000 m !! 1,500 m !! 2,000 m
|-
| Default || 48 || 45 || 35 || 26 || 19 || 14
|-
| Type 100 HE-T || 2 || 2 || 2 || 2 || 2 || 2
|-
| Type 100 AP-T || 48 || 45 || 35 || 26 || 19 || 14
|-
|}
{| class="wikitable sortable" style="text-align:center" width="100%"
! colspan="10" | Belt details
|-
! rowspan="2" data-sort-type="text" | Belt
! rowspan="2" | Type of warhead
! rowspan="2" | Velocity (m/s)
! rowspan="2" | Projectile Mass (kg)
! rowspan="2" | Fuse delay (m)
! rowspan="2" | Fuse sensitivity (mm)
! rowspan="2" | Explosive Mass (TNT equivalent) (g)
! colspan="3" | Ricochet
|-
! 0% !! 50% !! 100%
|-
| Type 100 HE-T || HEFI-T || 950 || 0.13 || 0 || 0.1 || 6 || 79° || 80° || 81°
|-
| Type 100 AP-T || API-T || 928 || 0.16 || N/A || N/A || N/A || 47° || 60° || 65°
|-
|}

==== [[Ammo racks]] ====
[[File:Ammoracks_{{PAGENAME}}.png|right|thumb|x250px|[[Ammo racks]] of the {{PAGENAME}}]]

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! Full ammo
! 1st rack empty
! Visual discrepancy
|-
|| '''20''' || 1 ''(+19)'' || No
|-
|}

== Usage in battles ==

The Ta-Se is a fast turreted SPAAG armed with a 20 mm autocannon. It can serve both as an AA or, in urban/small maps, as a close-quarter flanking vehicle. With a fair 24 hp/ton ratio (fully upgraded), the Ta-Se has enough mobility to follow other light tanks. Its light weight makes breaking through obstacles a bit challenging, but, its canon can break most of them before making contact. With fairly narrow tracks, this vehicle is easily slowed down by rough terrain.

One big downside to being such a fast and versatile vehicle (both AA and AT) is that armour is very light at an average of 12 mm. This means you won't survive any shot bigger than MG fire: play smart and always flank, strike fast and retreat at the littlest threat (arty, other enemy tank, strafing plane, etc.). Since two out of three crew members are located in the turret (with their head popping out of it), do not expect to survive any more than one shot.

'''AA role''':

While not being the best rank 1 AA autocannon (this title belongs to the German [[Flakpanzer 38|Flakpanzer 38(t) ''Gepard'']]), this little gun is still very suitable to engage planes.

Shooting at aircraft, you can make use of it's maneuverability to evade enemy bombs or bullets. This is not a spectacular AA since it's fire density is not so great, requiring every shot to be pinpoint on target to hit. Bring 5-6 full HE belts (API works aswell offering high fire chance) to take this role in case there is planes coming your way. Any good SPAA tactic works fine with the Ta-Se.

'''Light brawler''':

Any aggressive player will greatly enjoy taking this little brute into a close quarter fight. Its fast speed and turret turning rate allow for intense action and multi-target engagement. At this BR, 45 mm of penetration is more than enough to incapacitate most enemy tanks. But beware of its limited ammo count and always engage your target with a fully loaded magazine. It is recommended to spray the gunner first and then taking your time to snipe every other crew member. Whenever an artillery strike is coming your way, be it friendly or enemy, do not stand there for too long since a single shell can wreck this tank. One last warning: never engage heavy targets, instead: ''flee''.

=== Pros and cons ===

'''Pros'''

* More armoured than the [[Type 94]] (can survive MG fire)
* Good manoeuvrability and speed
* Fast turret turning rate
* Tiny. Can easily conceal itself and wait for the perfect time to take out enemy aircraft
* 20 mm autocannon is more than enough to take out planes at its BR and API-T belt can even take out light tanks and medium tanks from the side.
* 20 magazines of 20 bullets each.
* Good default multi-purpose belt.
* Fast reload speed

'''Cons'''

* Same single-mounted 20 mm autocannon as with the [[Type 94|Type 94]]
* Open crew top still vulnerable to air strikes and artillery
* Only 3 crew members, two of which are in the turret
* Loader and commander are exposed from the turret.
* Low firing rate and dispersion, make every shot count.
* Very thin armor makes it vulnerable to almost everything

== History ==

One Ta-Se prototype was built in 1941. The vehicle design never saw production.

== Media ==


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== See also ==


;Vehicles equipped with the same chassis

* [[Ke-Ni]]
* [[So-Ki]]

;Other vehicles of similar configuration and role

* [[Flakpanzer I]]
* [[Flakpanzer 38]]
* [[Pvlvv fm/42]]

== External links ==
''Paste links to sources and external resources, such as:''

* ''topic on the official game forum;''
* ''other literature.''

{{Japan anti-aircraft vehicles}}

Ta-Se

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{{Specs-Card
|code=jp_type_98_ta_se
|images={{Specs-Card-Image|GarageImage_{{PAGENAME}}.jpg|ArtImage_{{PAGENAME}}.png}}
}}

== Description ==

The '''{{specs|name}}''' is a rank {{specs|rank}} Japanese self-propelled anti-aircraft vehicle {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced along with the entire Japanese Ground Forces tree in [[Update_1.65_"Way_of_the_Samurai"|Update 1.65 "Way of the Samurai"]]

== General info ==
=== Survivability and armour ===
{{Specs-Tank-Armour}}
It shares the same chassis as the [[Ke-Ni|Type 98 Ke-Ni]], very thin armor in favour of speed, with a modified open top turret to be converted as an SPAAG.

'''Armour type:'''

* Rolled homogeneous armour

{| class="wikitable"
|-
! Armour !! Front !! Sides !! Rear !! Roof
|-
| Hull || 10 mm (22-25°) ''Front plate'' 9 mm (24°) ''Driver's port'' 9 mm (72°) ''Front glacis'' 16 mm (2-58°) ''Lower glacis'' || 12 mm (0-31°) ''Top'' 12 mm ''Bottom'' || 10 mm (52°) ''Top'' 10 mm (12-52°) ''Bottom'' || 10 mm
|-
| Turret || 12-16 mm (13-14°) ''Turret front'' 12 mm (0-1°) ''Gun mount'' || 12 mm (11-13°) || 12 mm (6-11°) || N/A
|-
|}
'''Notes:'''

* Suspension wheels and tracks are both 15 mm thick.
* Belly armour is 9 mm thick.
* Turret underside armour is 9 mm thick.

=== Mobility ===
{{Specs-Tank-Mobility}}
As mentioned the Ta-Se is built on the [[Ke-Ni|Type 98 Ke-Ni]] hull, which is a very maneuverable platform.

{{tankMobility|abMinHp= 136|rbMinHp= 115}}

=== Modifications and economy ===
{{Specs-Economy}}

== Armaments ==
{{Specs-Tank-Armaments}}
=== Main armament ===
{{Specs-Tank-Weapon|1}}

{{main|Type 98 (20 mm)}}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="100%"
|-
! colspan="6" | [[Type 98 (20 mm)|20 mm Type 98]] || colspan="5" | Turret rotation speed (°/s) || colspan="4" | Reloading rate (seconds)
|-
! Mode !! Capacity (Belt) !! Fire rate !! Vertical !! Horizontal !! Stabilizer
! Stock !! Upgraded !! Full !! Expert !! Aced
! Stock !! Full !! Expert !! Aced
|-
! ''Arcade''
| rowspan="2" | 400 (20) || rowspan="2" | 300 || rowspan="2" | -10°/+85° || rowspan="2" | ±180° || rowspan="2" | N/A || 35.22 || 48.75 || 59.20 || 65.47 || 69.65 || rowspan="2" | 3.90 || rowspan="2" | 3.40 || rowspan="2" | 3.20 || rowspan="2" | 3.00
|-
! ''Realistic''
| 23.80 || 30.64 || 34.00 || 37.60 || 40.00
|-
|}

==== Ammunition ====

* '''Default:''' {{Annotation|API-T|Armour-piercing incendiary tracer}}{{-}}{{Annotation|HEFI-T|High-explosive fragmentation incendiary tracer}}{{-}}{{Annotation|HEFI-T|High-explosive fragmentation incendiary tracer}} - This belt can fulfill both roles until the others are researched.
* '''Type 100 HE-T:''' {{Annotation|HEFI-T|High-explosive fragmentation incendiary tracer}} - These are best in the AA role but have no effect on enemy tanks except open-topped vehicles.
* '''Type 100 AP-T''' {{Annotation|API-T|Armour-piercing incendiary tracer}} - These are best against enemy tanks at close range and do good damage to planes. Concentrate your fire on weak spots like the sides and the rear.

{| class="wikitable sortable" style="text-align:center" width="100%"
! colspan="7" | Penetration statistics
|-
! rowspan="2" data-sort-type="text" | Belt
! colspan="6" | '''Penetration @ 0° Angle of Attack (mm)'''
|-
! 10 m !! 100 m !! 500 m !! 1,000 m !! 1,500 m !! 2,000 m
|-
| Default || 48 || 45 || 35 || 26 || 19 || 14
|-
| Type 100 HE-T || 2 || 2 || 2 || 2 || 2 || 2
|-
| Type 100 AP-T || 48 || 45 || 35 || 26 || 19 || 14
|-
|}
{| class="wikitable sortable" style="text-align:center" width="100%"
! colspan="10" | Belt details
|-
! rowspan="2" data-sort-type="text" | Belt
! rowspan="2" | Type of warhead
! rowspan="2" | Velocity (m/s)
! rowspan="2" | Projectile Mass (kg)
! rowspan="2" | Fuse delay (m)
! rowspan="2" | Fuse sensitivity (mm)
! rowspan="2" | Explosive Mass (TNT equivalent) (g)
! colspan="3" | Ricochet
|-
! 0% !! 50% !! 100%
|-
| Type 100 HE-T || HEFI-T || 950 || 0.13 || 0 || 0.1 || 6 || 79° || 80° || 81°
|-
| Type 100 AP-T || API-T || 928 || 0.16 || N/A || N/A || N/A || 47° || 60° || 65°
|-
|}

==== [[Ammo racks]] ====
[[File:Ammoracks_{{PAGENAME}}.png|right|thumb|x250px|[[Ammo racks]] of the {{PAGENAME}}]]

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! Full ammo
! 1st rack empty
! Visual discrepancy
|-
|| '''20''' || 1 ''(+19)'' || No
|-
|}

== Usage in battles ==

The Ta-Se is a fast turreted SPAAG armed with a 20 mm autocannon. It can serve both as an AA or, in urban/small maps, as a close-quarter flanking vehicle. With a fair 24 hp/ton ratio (fully upgraded), the Ta-Se has enough mobility to follow other light tanks. Its light weight makes breaking through obstacles a bit challenging, but, its canon can break most of them before making contact. With fairly narrow tracks, this vehicle is easily slowed down by rough terrain.

One big downside to being such a fast and versatile vehicle (both AA and AT) is that armour is very light at an average of 12 mm. This means you won't survive any shot bigger than MG fire: play smart and always flank, strike fast and retreat at the littlest threat (arty, other enemy tank, strafing plane, etc.). Since two out of three crew members are located in the turret (with their head popping out of it), do not expect to survive any more than one shot.

'''AA role''':

While not being the best rank 1 AA autocannon (this title belongs to the German [[Flakpanzer 38|Flakpanzer 38(t) ''Gepard'']]), this little gun is still very suitable to engage planes.

Shooting at aircraft, you can make use of it's maneuverability to evade enemy bombs or bullets. This is not a spectacular AA since it's fire density is not so great, requiring every shot to be pinpoint on target to hit. Bring 5-6 full HE belts (API works aswell offering high fire chance) to take this role in case there is planes coming your way. Any good SPAA tactic works fine with the Ta-Se.

'''Light brawler''':

Any aggressive player will greatly enjoy taking this little brute into a close quarter fight. Its fast speed and turret turning rate allow for intense action and multi-target engagement. At this BR, 45 mm of penetration is more than enough to incapacitate most enemy tanks. But beware of its limited ammo count and always engage your target with a fully loaded magazine. It is recommended to spray the gunner first and then taking your time to snipe every other crew member. Whenever an artillery strike is coming your way, be it friendly or enemy, do not stand there for too long since a single shell can wreck this tank. One last warning: never engage heavy targets, instead: ''flee''.

=== Pros and cons ===

'''Pros'''

* More armoured than the [[Type 94]] (can survive MG fire)
* Good manoeuvrability and speed
* Fast turret turning rate
* Tiny. Can easily conceal itself and wait for the perfect time to take out enemy aircraft
* 20 mm autocannon is more than enough to take out planes at its BR and API-T belt can even take out light tanks and medium tanks from the side.
* 20 magazines of 20 bullets each.
* Good default multi-purpose belt.
* Fast reload speed

'''Cons'''

* Same single-mounted 20 mm autocannon as with the [[Type 94|Type 94]]
* Open crew top still vulnerable to air strikes and artillery
* Only 3 crew members, two of which are in the turret
* Loader and commander are exposed from the turret.
* Low firing rate and dispersion, make every shot count.
* Very thin armor makes it vulnerable to '''almost everything'''

== History ==

One Ta-Se prototype was built in 1941. The vehicle design never saw production.

== Media ==


;Skins

* [https://live.warthunder.com/feed/camouflages/?vehicleCountry=japan&vehicleType=tank&vehicleClass=spaa&vehicle=jp_type_98_ta_se Skins and camouflages for the {{PAGENAME}} from live.warthunder.com.]

;Videos
{{Youtube-gallery|oTwb5q738uQ|'''{{PAGENAME}} Tank Review''' - ''NUSensei''}}

== See also ==


;Vehicles equipped with the same chassis

* [[Ke-Ni]]
* [[So-Ki]]

;Other vehicles of similar configuration and role

* [[Flakpanzer I]]
* [[Flakpanzer 38]]
* [[Pvlvv fm/42]]

== External links ==
''Paste links to sources and external resources, such as:''

* ''topic on the official game forum;''
* ''other literature.''

{{Japan anti-aircraft vehicles}}

Ta-Se

2021-05-14T09:33:09Z

U87387478: /* Pros and cons */

{{Specs-Card
|code=jp_type_98_ta_se
|images={{Specs-Card-Image|GarageImage_{{PAGENAME}}.jpg|ArtImage_{{PAGENAME}}.png}}
}}

== Description ==

The '''{{specs|name}}''' is a rank {{specs|rank}} Japanese self-propelled anti-aircraft vehicle {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced along with the entire Japanese Ground Forces tree in [[Update_1.65_"Way_of_the_Samurai"|Update 1.65 "Way of the Samurai"]]

== General info ==
=== Survivability and armour ===
{{Specs-Tank-Armour}}
It shares the same chassis as the [[Ke-Ni|Type 98 Ke-Ni]], very thin armor in favour of speed, with a modified open top turret to be converted as an SPAAG.

'''Armour type:'''

* Rolled homogeneous armour

{| class="wikitable"
|-
! Armour !! Front !! Sides !! Rear !! Roof
|-
| Hull || 10 mm (22-25°) ''Front plate'' 9 mm (24°) ''Driver's port'' 9 mm (72°) ''Front glacis'' 16 mm (2-58°) ''Lower glacis'' || 12 mm (0-31°) ''Top'' 12 mm ''Bottom'' || 10 mm (52°) ''Top'' 10 mm (12-52°) ''Bottom'' || 10 mm
|-
| Turret || 12-16 mm (13-14°) ''Turret front'' 12 mm (0-1°) ''Gun mount'' || 12 mm (11-13°) || 12 mm (6-11°) || N/A
|-
|}
'''Notes:'''

* Suspension wheels and tracks are both 15 mm thick.
* Belly armour is 9 mm thick.
* Turret underside armour is 9 mm thick.

=== Mobility ===
{{Specs-Tank-Mobility}}
As mentioned the Ta-Se is built on the [[Ke-Ni|Type 98 Ke-Ni]] hull, which is a very maneuverable platform.

{{tankMobility|abMinHp= 136|rbMinHp= 115}}

=== Modifications and economy ===
{{Specs-Economy}}

== Armaments ==
{{Specs-Tank-Armaments}}
=== Main armament ===
{{Specs-Tank-Weapon|1}}

{{main|Type 98 (20 mm)}}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="100%"
|-
! colspan="6" | [[Type 98 (20 mm)|20 mm Type 98]] || colspan="5" | Turret rotation speed (°/s) || colspan="4" | Reloading rate (seconds)
|-
! Mode !! Capacity (Belt) !! Fire rate !! Vertical !! Horizontal !! Stabilizer
! Stock !! Upgraded !! Full !! Expert !! Aced
! Stock !! Full !! Expert !! Aced
|-
! ''Arcade''
| rowspan="2" | 400 (20) || rowspan="2" | 300 || rowspan="2" | -10°/+85° || rowspan="2" | ±180° || rowspan="2" | N/A || 35.22 || 48.75 || 59.20 || 65.47 || 69.65 || rowspan="2" | 3.90 || rowspan="2" | 3.40 || rowspan="2" | 3.20 || rowspan="2" | 3.00
|-
! ''Realistic''
| 23.80 || 30.64 || 34.00 || 37.60 || 40.00
|-
|}

==== Ammunition ====

* '''Default:''' {{Annotation|API-T|Armour-piercing incendiary tracer}}{{-}}{{Annotation|HEFI-T|High-explosive fragmentation incendiary tracer}}{{-}}{{Annotation|HEFI-T|High-explosive fragmentation incendiary tracer}} - This belt can fulfill both roles until the others are researched.
* '''Type 100 HE-T:''' {{Annotation|HEFI-T|High-explosive fragmentation incendiary tracer}} - These are best in the AA role but have no effect on enemy tanks except open-topped vehicles.
* '''Type 100 AP-T''' {{Annotation|API-T|Armour-piercing incendiary tracer}} - These are best against enemy tanks at close range and do good damage to planes. Concentrate your fire on weak spots like the sides and the rear.

{| class="wikitable sortable" style="text-align:center" width="100%"
! colspan="7" | Penetration statistics
|-
! rowspan="2" data-sort-type="text" | Belt
! colspan="6" | '''Penetration @ 0° Angle of Attack (mm)'''
|-
! 10 m !! 100 m !! 500 m !! 1,000 m !! 1,500 m !! 2,000 m
|-
| Default || 48 || 45 || 35 || 26 || 19 || 14
|-
| Type 100 HE-T || 2 || 2 || 2 || 2 || 2 || 2
|-
| Type 100 AP-T || 48 || 45 || 35 || 26 || 19 || 14
|-
|}
{| class="wikitable sortable" style="text-align:center" width="100%"
! colspan="10" | Belt details
|-
! rowspan="2" data-sort-type="text" | Belt
! rowspan="2" | Type of warhead
! rowspan="2" | Velocity (m/s)
! rowspan="2" | Projectile Mass (kg)
! rowspan="2" | Fuse delay (m)
! rowspan="2" | Fuse sensitivity (mm)
! rowspan="2" | Explosive Mass (TNT equivalent) (g)
! colspan="3" | Ricochet
|-
! 0% !! 50% !! 100%
|-
| Type 100 HE-T || HEFI-T || 950 || 0.13 || 0 || 0.1 || 6 || 79° || 80° || 81°
|-
| Type 100 AP-T || API-T || 928 || 0.16 || N/A || N/A || N/A || 47° || 60° || 65°
|-
|}

==== [[Ammo racks]] ====
[[File:Ammoracks_{{PAGENAME}}.png|right|thumb|x250px|[[Ammo racks]] of the {{PAGENAME}}]]

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! Full ammo
! 1st rack empty
! Visual discrepancy
|-
|| '''20''' || 1 ''(+19)'' || No
|-
|}

== Usage in battles ==

The Ta-Se is a fast turreted SPAAG armed with a 20 mm autocannon. It can serve both as an AA or, in urban/small maps, as a close-quarter flanking vehicle. With a fair 24 hp/ton ratio (fully upgraded), the Ta-Se has enough mobility to follow other light tanks. Its light weight makes breaking through obstacles a bit challenging, but, its canon can break most of them before making contact. With fairly narrow tracks, this vehicle is easily slowed down by rough terrain.

One big downside to being such a fast and versatile vehicle (both AA and AT) is that armour is very light at an average of 12 mm. This means you won't survive any shot bigger than MG fire: play smart and always flank, strike fast and retreat at the littlest threat (arty, other enemy tank, strafing plane, etc.). Since two out of three crew members are located in the turret (with their head popping out of it), do not expect to survive any more than one shot.

'''AA role''':

While not being the best rank 1 AA autocannon (this title belongs to the German [[Flakpanzer 38|Flakpanzer 38(t) ''Gepard'']]), this little gun is still very suitable to engage planes.

Shooting at aircraft, you can make use of it's maneuverability to evade enemy bombs or bullets. This is not a spectacular AA since it's fire density is not so great, requiring every shot to be pinpoint on target to hit. Bring 5-6 full HE belts (API works aswell offering high fire chance) to take this role in case there is planes coming your way. Any good SPAA tactic works fine with the Ta-Se.

'''Light brawler''':

Any aggressive player will greatly enjoy taking this little brute into a close quarter fight. Its fast speed and turret turning rate allow for intense action and multi-target engagement. At this BR, 45 mm of penetration is more than enough to incapacitate most enemy tanks. But beware of its limited ammo count and always engage your target with a fully loaded magazine. It is recommended to spray the gunner first and then taking your time to snipe every other crew member. Whenever an artillery strike is coming your way, be it friendly or enemy, do not stand there for too long since a single shell can wreck this tank. One last warning: never engage heavy targets, instead: ''flee''.

=== Pros and cons ===

'''Pros'''

* More armoured than the [[Type 94]] (can survive MG fire)
* Good manoeuvrability and speed
* Fast turret turning rate
* Tiny. Can easily conceal itself and wait for the perfect time to take out enemy aircraft
* 20 mm autocannon is more than enough to take out planes at its BR and API-T belt can even take out light tanks and medium tanks from the side.
* 20 magazines of 20 bullets each.
* Good default multi-purpose belt.
* Fast reload speed

'''Cons'''

* Same single-mounted 20 mm autocannon as with the [[Type 94|Type 94]]
* Open crew top still vulnerable to air strikes and artillery
* Only 3 crew members, two of which are in the turret
* Loader and commander are exposed from the turret.
* Low firing rate and dispersion, make every shot count.
* Very thin armor

== History ==

One Ta-Se prototype was built in 1941. The vehicle design never saw production.

== Media ==


;Skins

* [https://live.warthunder.com/feed/camouflages/?vehicleCountry=japan&vehicleType=tank&vehicleClass=spaa&vehicle=jp_type_98_ta_se Skins and camouflages for the {{PAGENAME}} from live.warthunder.com.]

;Videos
{{Youtube-gallery|oTwb5q738uQ|'''{{PAGENAME}} Tank Review''' - ''NUSensei''}}

== See also ==


;Vehicles equipped with the same chassis

* [[Ke-Ni]]
* [[So-Ki]]

;Other vehicles of similar configuration and role

* [[Flakpanzer I]]
* [[Flakpanzer 38]]
* [[Pvlvv fm/42]]

== External links ==
''Paste links to sources and external resources, such as:''

* ''topic on the official game forum;''
* ''other literature.''

{{Japan anti-aircraft vehicles}}

Ta-Se

2021-05-14T09:31:41Z

U87387478: /* Pros and cons */

{{Specs-Card
|code=jp_type_98_ta_se
|images={{Specs-Card-Image|GarageImage_{{PAGENAME}}.jpg|ArtImage_{{PAGENAME}}.png}}
}}

== Description ==

The '''{{specs|name}}''' is a rank {{specs|rank}} Japanese self-propelled anti-aircraft vehicle {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced along with the entire Japanese Ground Forces tree in [[Update_1.65_"Way_of_the_Samurai"|Update 1.65 "Way of the Samurai"]]

== General info ==
=== Survivability and armour ===
{{Specs-Tank-Armour}}
It shares the same chassis as the [[Ke-Ni|Type 98 Ke-Ni]], very thin armor in favour of speed, with a modified open top turret to be converted as an SPAAG.

'''Armour type:'''

* Rolled homogeneous armour

{| class="wikitable"
|-
! Armour !! Front !! Sides !! Rear !! Roof
|-
| Hull || 10 mm (22-25°) ''Front plate'' 9 mm (24°) ''Driver's port'' 9 mm (72°) ''Front glacis'' 16 mm (2-58°) ''Lower glacis'' || 12 mm (0-31°) ''Top'' 12 mm ''Bottom'' || 10 mm (52°) ''Top'' 10 mm (12-52°) ''Bottom'' || 10 mm
|-
| Turret || 12-16 mm (13-14°) ''Turret front'' 12 mm (0-1°) ''Gun mount'' || 12 mm (11-13°) || 12 mm (6-11°) || N/A
|-
|}
'''Notes:'''

* Suspension wheels and tracks are both 15 mm thick.
* Belly armour is 9 mm thick.
* Turret underside armour is 9 mm thick.

=== Mobility ===
{{Specs-Tank-Mobility}}
As mentioned the Ta-Se is built on the [[Ke-Ni|Type 98 Ke-Ni]] hull, which is a very maneuverable platform.

{{tankMobility|abMinHp= 136|rbMinHp= 115}}

=== Modifications and economy ===
{{Specs-Economy}}

== Armaments ==
{{Specs-Tank-Armaments}}
=== Main armament ===
{{Specs-Tank-Weapon|1}}

{{main|Type 98 (20 mm)}}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="100%"
|-
! colspan="6" | [[Type 98 (20 mm)|20 mm Type 98]] || colspan="5" | Turret rotation speed (°/s) || colspan="4" | Reloading rate (seconds)
|-
! Mode !! Capacity (Belt) !! Fire rate !! Vertical !! Horizontal !! Stabilizer
! Stock !! Upgraded !! Full !! Expert !! Aced
! Stock !! Full !! Expert !! Aced
|-
! ''Arcade''
| rowspan="2" | 400 (20) || rowspan="2" | 300 || rowspan="2" | -10°/+85° || rowspan="2" | ±180° || rowspan="2" | N/A || 35.22 || 48.75 || 59.20 || 65.47 || 69.65 || rowspan="2" | 3.90 || rowspan="2" | 3.40 || rowspan="2" | 3.20 || rowspan="2" | 3.00
|-
! ''Realistic''
| 23.80 || 30.64 || 34.00 || 37.60 || 40.00
|-
|}

==== Ammunition ====

* '''Default:''' {{Annotation|API-T|Armour-piercing incendiary tracer}}{{-}}{{Annotation|HEFI-T|High-explosive fragmentation incendiary tracer}}{{-}}{{Annotation|HEFI-T|High-explosive fragmentation incendiary tracer}} - This belt can fulfill both roles until the others are researched.
* '''Type 100 HE-T:''' {{Annotation|HEFI-T|High-explosive fragmentation incendiary tracer}} - These are best in the AA role but have no effect on enemy tanks except open-topped vehicles.
* '''Type 100 AP-T''' {{Annotation|API-T|Armour-piercing incendiary tracer}} - These are best against enemy tanks at close range and do good damage to planes. Concentrate your fire on weak spots like the sides and the rear.

{| class="wikitable sortable" style="text-align:center" width="100%"
! colspan="7" | Penetration statistics
|-
! rowspan="2" data-sort-type="text" | Belt
! colspan="6" | '''Penetration @ 0° Angle of Attack (mm)'''
|-
! 10 m !! 100 m !! 500 m !! 1,000 m !! 1,500 m !! 2,000 m
|-
| Default || 48 || 45 || 35 || 26 || 19 || 14
|-
| Type 100 HE-T || 2 || 2 || 2 || 2 || 2 || 2
|-
| Type 100 AP-T || 48 || 45 || 35 || 26 || 19 || 14
|-
|}
{| class="wikitable sortable" style="text-align:center" width="100%"
! colspan="10" | Belt details
|-
! rowspan="2" data-sort-type="text" | Belt
! rowspan="2" | Type of warhead
! rowspan="2" | Velocity (m/s)
! rowspan="2" | Projectile Mass (kg)
! rowspan="2" | Fuse delay (m)
! rowspan="2" | Fuse sensitivity (mm)
! rowspan="2" | Explosive Mass (TNT equivalent) (g)
! colspan="3" | Ricochet
|-
! 0% !! 50% !! 100%
|-
| Type 100 HE-T || HEFI-T || 950 || 0.13 || 0 || 0.1 || 6 || 79° || 80° || 81°
|-
| Type 100 AP-T || API-T || 928 || 0.16 || N/A || N/A || N/A || 47° || 60° || 65°
|-
|}

==== [[Ammo racks]] ====
[[File:Ammoracks_{{PAGENAME}}.png|right|thumb|x250px|[[Ammo racks]] of the {{PAGENAME}}]]

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! Full ammo
! 1st rack empty
! Visual discrepancy
|-
|| '''20''' || 1 ''(+19)'' || No
|-
|}

== Usage in battles ==

The Ta-Se is a fast turreted SPAAG armed with a 20 mm autocannon. It can serve both as an AA or, in urban/small maps, as a close-quarter flanking vehicle. With a fair 24 hp/ton ratio (fully upgraded), the Ta-Se has enough mobility to follow other light tanks. Its light weight makes breaking through obstacles a bit challenging, but, its canon can break most of them before making contact. With fairly narrow tracks, this vehicle is easily slowed down by rough terrain.

One big downside to being such a fast and versatile vehicle (both AA and AT) is that armour is very light at an average of 12 mm. This means you won't survive any shot bigger than MG fire: play smart and always flank, strike fast and retreat at the littlest threat (arty, other enemy tank, strafing plane, etc.). Since two out of three crew members are located in the turret (with their head popping out of it), do not expect to survive any more than one shot.

'''AA role''':

While not being the best rank 1 AA autocannon (this title belongs to the German [[Flakpanzer 38|Flakpanzer 38(t) ''Gepard'']]), this little gun is still very suitable to engage planes.

Shooting at aircraft, you can make use of it's maneuverability to evade enemy bombs or bullets. This is not a spectacular AA since it's fire density is not so great, requiring every shot to be pinpoint on target to hit. Bring 5-6 full HE belts (API works aswell offering high fire chance) to take this role in case there is planes coming your way. Any good SPAA tactic works fine with the Ta-Se.

'''Light brawler''':

Any aggressive player will greatly enjoy taking this little brute into a close quarter fight. Its fast speed and turret turning rate allow for intense action and multi-target engagement. At this BR, 45 mm of penetration is more than enough to incapacitate most enemy tanks. But beware of its limited ammo count and always engage your target with a fully loaded magazine. It is recommended to spray the gunner first and then taking your time to snipe every other crew member. Whenever an artillery strike is coming your way, be it friendly or enemy, do not stand there for too long since a single shell can wreck this tank. One last warning: never engage heavy targets, instead: ''flee''.

=== Pros and cons ===

'''Pros'''

* More armoured than the [[Type 94]] (can survive MG fire)
* Good manoeuvrability and speed
* Fast turret turning rate
* Tiny. Can easily conceal itself and wait for the perfect time to take out enemy aircraft
* 20 mm autocannon is more than enough to take out planes at its BR and API-T belt can even take out light tanks and medium tanks from the side.
* 20 magazines of 20 bullets each.
* Good default multi-purpose belt.
* Fast reload speed

'''Cons'''

* Same single-mounted 20 mm autocannon as with the [[Type 94|Type 94]]
* Open crew top still vulnerable to air strikes and artillery
* Only 3 crew members, two of which are in the turret
* Loader and commander are exposed from the turret.
* Low firing rate and dispersion, make every shot count.

== History ==

One Ta-Se prototype was built in 1941. The vehicle design never saw production.

== Media ==


;Skins

* [https://live.warthunder.com/feed/camouflages/?vehicleCountry=japan&vehicleType=tank&vehicleClass=spaa&vehicle=jp_type_98_ta_se Skins and camouflages for the {{PAGENAME}} from live.warthunder.com.]

;Videos
{{Youtube-gallery|oTwb5q738uQ|'''{{PAGENAME}} Tank Review''' - ''NUSensei''}}

== See also ==


;Vehicles equipped with the same chassis

* [[Ke-Ni]]
* [[So-Ki]]

;Other vehicles of similar configuration and role

* [[Flakpanzer I]]
* [[Flakpanzer 38]]
* [[Pvlvv fm/42]]

== External links ==
''Paste links to sources and external resources, such as:''

* ''topic on the official game forum;''
* ''other literature.''

{{Japan anti-aircraft vehicles}}