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Su-17M2

2021-03-11T11:33:45Z

U83536669: finnished "Usage in battle"

{{Specs-Card
|code=su_17m2
|images={{Specs-Card-Image|GarageImage_{{PAGENAME}}.jpg}}
}}

== Description ==

The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a rank {{Specs|rank}} Soviet strike aircraft {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update "Ixwa Strike"]].

== General info ==
=== Flight performance ===
{{Specs-Avia-Flight}}

''Describe how the aircraft behaves in the air. Speed, manoeuvrability, acceleration and allowable loads - these are the most important characteristics of the vehicle.''

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="70%"
! rowspan="2" | Characteristics
! colspan="2" | Max Speed (km/h at 11,000 m)
! rowspan="2" | Max altitude (metres)
! colspan="2" | Turn time (seconds)
! colspan="2" | Rate of climb (metres/second)
! rowspan="2" | Take-off run (metres)
|-
! AB !! RB !! AB !! RB !! AB !! RB
|-
! Stock
| 2,219 || 2,219 || rowspan="2" | {{Specs|ceiling}} || 27.3 || 27.4 || 164.8 || 164.8 || rowspan="2" | 850
|-
! Upgraded
| ___ || ___ || __._ || __._ || __._ || __._
|-
|}

==== Details ====
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="50%"
|-
! colspan="6" | Features
|-
! Combat flaps !! Take-off flaps !! Landing flaps !! Air brakes !! Arrestor gear !! Drogue chute
|-
| ✓ || ✓ || ✓ || ✓ || X || ✓ 
|-
|}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="50%"
|-
! colspan="7" | Limits
|-
! rowspan="2" | Wings (km/h)
! rowspan="2" | Gear (km/h)
! colspan="3" | Flaps (km/h)
! colspan="2" | Max Static G
|-
! Combat !! Take-off !! Landing !! + !! -
|-
| {{Specs|destruction|body}} || {{Specs|destruction|gear}} || ___ || ___ || ___ || ~__ || ~__
|-
|}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="4" | Optimal velocities (km/h)
|-
! Ailerons !! Rudder !! Elevators !! Radiator
|-
| < 740 || < 650 || < 650 || N/A
|-
|}

=== Survivability and armour ===
{{Specs-Avia-Armour}}

''Examine the survivability of the aircraft. Note how vulnerable the structure is and how secure the pilot is, whether the fuel tanks are armoured, etc. Describe the armour, if there is any, and also mention the vulnerability of other critical aircraft systems.''

=== Modifications and economy ===
{{Specs-Economy}}

== Armaments ==
{{Specs-Avia-Armaments}}
=== Offensive armament ===
{{Specs-Avia-Offensive}}

{{main|NR-30 (30 mm)}}

The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' is armed with:

* 2 x 30 mm NR-30 cannons, wing-mounted (80 rpg = 160 total)

=== Suspended armament ===
{{Specs-Avia-Suspended}}

{{main|OFAB-100 (100 kg)|OFAB-250sv (250 kg)|FAB-500M-62 (500 kg)}}
{{main|Kh-23M|Kh-25|Kh-29L|R-60}}
{{main|S-3K|S-5K|S-8KO|S-24|GSh-23-2 (23 mm)}}

The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' can be outfitted with the following ordnance:

* Without load
* 2 x 23 mm GSh-23-2 cannons (250 rpg = 500 total)
* 20 x 100 kg OFAB-100 bombs (2,000 kg total)
* 10 x 250 kg OFAB-250sv bombs (2,500 kg total)
* 8 x 500 kg FAB-500M-62 bombs (4,000 kg total)
* 128 x S-5K rockets
* 80 x S-8KO rockets
* 28 x S-3K rockets
* 6 x S-24 rockets
* 2 x Kh-23M missiles
* 2 x Kh-25 missiles
* 1 x Kh-29L missile
* 4 x R-60 missiles
* 4 x R-60 missiles + 18 x 100 kg OFAB-100 bombs (1,800 kg total)
* 4 x R-60 missiles + 8 x 250 kg OFAB-250sv bombs (2,000 kg total)
* 4 x R-60 missiles + 6 x 500 kg FAB-500M-62 bombs (3,000 kg total)
* 4 x R-60 missiles + 64 x S-5K rockets
* 4 x R-60 missiles + 40 x S-8KO rockets
* 4 x R-60 missiles + 28 x S-3K rockets
* 4 x R-60 missiles + 4 x S-24 rockets
* 2 x R-60 missiles + 2 x Kh-23M missiles
* 4 x R-60 missiles + 2 x Kh-25 missiles
* 4 x R-60 missiles + 1 x Kh-29L missile
* 2 x 23 mm GSh-23-2 cannons + 18 x 100 kg OFAB-100 bombs (1,800 kg total)
* 2 x 23 mm GSh-23-2 cannons + 8 x 250 kg OFAB-250sv bombs (2,000 kg total)
* 2 x 23 mm GSh-23-2 cannons + 6 x 500 kg FAB-500M-62 bombs (3,000 kg total)
* 2 x 23 mm GSh-23-2 cannons + 64 x S-5K rockets
* 2 x 23 mm GSh-23-2 cannons + 40 x S-8KO rockets
* 2 x 23 mm GSh-23-2 cannons + 28 x S-3K rockets
* 2 x 23 mm GSh-23-2 cannons + 4 x S-24 rockets
* 1 x 23 mm GSh-23-2 cannon + 2 x Kh-23M missiles
* 2 x 23 mm GSh-23-2 cannons + 2 x Kh-25 missiles
* 2 x 23 mm GSh-23-2 cannons + 1 x Kh-29L missile

== Usage in battles ==
'''Important: right now you spawn with the wings foulded out at the spawn, if you WEP immediately you will rip your wings. Stay on 100 % for a few seconds until your wings swipe back, so you can WEP savely'''

there are mainly 3 different ways to play the Su-17 M-2:

1.Figther :

The Su-17 M-2 is fairly manoeuverable, the only Planes it can’t outturn are the Mirage and the J-35. Thanks to that you can use it as a figther too, best with 4 R-60s. Try to sideclimb in a 20-25 degree angle and try to flank the enemy. Come from behind in a support role, try to Boom and Zoom and find enemys low on energy. Do not become slow, since you do not have Flares and your best defence against missiles is staying fast.

'''Enemies you should pay attention to:'''

The [[Mirage IIIC]] and the [[J35D|J35D Draken]]: These planes are also serious foes since they out turn everything at their BR (keep in mind that the J35D Draken is more manoeuvrable than the Mirage) so dogfighting them is a death sentence. They're also able to wield deadly missiles, the Draken wields the Swedish license built AIM-9P3s known as [[RB24J|RB24Js]] and the Mirage has access to the extremely effective [[Matra R550 Magic 1]] that pulls 30 Gs and has a higher top speed than other IR guided missiles. The best thing to do against these planes is to do a zoom climb to bleed their speed since they have a lower thrust to weight ratio than you and then do oblique turns since they both bleed a ton of speed when turning and have a lower acceleration than you do. Try to not let them shoot a missile at you since you don’t have Flares and will have to try to outturn it. If that happens tur off the afterburner and pull hard.

[[F-4 Phantom II (Family)|Phantoms]], particularly [[F-4E]] and [[F-4EJ|EJ]] models: These Planes are the most common enemys and targets you should not prioritize first, since you can easily outturn them. In many cases you can evade their Aim-9Js by turning in one direction first, than rolling and switching direction. If you try to turnfigth them, pull out your Airbreaks to go below 1000 kph, fold out the wings and you wont have any Problems. If they try to get out of the turnfigth and outaccelerate you just shoot a R-60 at them.

2.Multirole

The hudge amount of secondary weapons the Su-17 M-2 can carry invites you to play it as a multirole. As example you can take 6 500kg bombs and 4 R-60s, bomb up to 3 Bases and than play it as a fighter

3.Bomber

The Su-17 can carry up to 8 500kg bombs, which is enough for 2 big bases or 4 small bases. After you bombed you can quickly return to base and rearm, thanks to its great flight characteristics. Using it as a bomber is a fairly save way to gain points, survive long and help your team by bleeding the enemys tickets.

=== Pros and cons ===

''Summarise and briefly evaluate the vehicle in terms of its characteristics and combat effectiveness. Mark its pros and cons in the bulleted list. Try not to use more than 6 points for each of the characteristics. Avoid using categorical definitions such as "bad", "good" and the like - use substitutions with softer forms such as "inadequate" and "effective".''

'''Pros:'''

*

'''Cons:'''

*

== History ==

''Describe the history of the creation and combat usage of the aircraft in more detail than in the introduction. If the historical reference turns out to be too long, take it to a separate article, taking a link to the article about the vehicle and adding a block "/History" (example: <nowiki>https://wiki.warthunder.com/(Vehicle-name)/History</nowiki>) and add a link to it here using the <code>main</code> template. Be sure to reference text and sources by using <code><nowiki><ref></ref></nowiki></code>, as well as adding them at the end of the article with <code><nowiki><references /></nowiki></code>. This section may also include the vehicle's dev blog entry (if applicable) and the in-game encyclopedia description (under <code><nowiki>=== In-game description ===</nowiki></code>, also if applicable).''

== Media ==

''Excellent additions to the article would be video guides, screenshots from the game, and photos.''

== See also ==

''Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:''

* ''reference to the series of the aircraft;''
* ''links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.''

== External links ==

''Paste links to sources and external resources, such as:''

* ''topic on the official game forum;''
* ''other literature.''

{{USSR jet aircraft}}

Su-17M2

2021-03-11T11:31:29Z

U83536669: hint that you die after spawning if you use WEP

{{Specs-Card
|code=su_17m2
|images={{Specs-Card-Image|GarageImage_{{PAGENAME}}.jpg}}
}}

== Description ==

The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a rank {{Specs|rank}} Soviet strike aircraft {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update "Ixwa Strike"]].

== General info ==
=== Flight performance ===
{{Specs-Avia-Flight}}

''Describe how the aircraft behaves in the air. Speed, manoeuvrability, acceleration and allowable loads - these are the most important characteristics of the vehicle.''

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="70%"
! rowspan="2" | Characteristics
! colspan="2" | Max Speed (km/h at 11,000 m)
! rowspan="2" | Max altitude (metres)
! colspan="2" | Turn time (seconds)
! colspan="2" | Rate of climb (metres/second)
! rowspan="2" | Take-off run (metres)
|-
! AB !! RB !! AB !! RB !! AB !! RB
|-
! Stock
| 2,219 || 2,219 || rowspan="2" | {{Specs|ceiling}} || 27.3 || 27.4 || 164.8 || 164.8 || rowspan="2" | 850
|-
! Upgraded
| ___ || ___ || __._ || __._ || __._ || __._
|-
|}

==== Details ====
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="50%"
|-
! colspan="6" | Features
|-
! Combat flaps !! Take-off flaps !! Landing flaps !! Air brakes !! Arrestor gear !! Drogue chute
|-
| ✓ || ✓ || ✓ || ✓ || X || ✓ 
|-
|}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="50%"
|-
! colspan="7" | Limits
|-
! rowspan="2" | Wings (km/h)
! rowspan="2" | Gear (km/h)
! colspan="3" | Flaps (km/h)
! colspan="2" | Max Static G
|-
! Combat !! Take-off !! Landing !! + !! -
|-
| {{Specs|destruction|body}} || {{Specs|destruction|gear}} || ___ || ___ || ___ || ~__ || ~__
|-
|}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="4" | Optimal velocities (km/h)
|-
! Ailerons !! Rudder !! Elevators !! Radiator
|-
| < 740 || < 650 || < 650 || N/A
|-
|}

=== Survivability and armour ===
{{Specs-Avia-Armour}}

''Examine the survivability of the aircraft. Note how vulnerable the structure is and how secure the pilot is, whether the fuel tanks are armoured, etc. Describe the armour, if there is any, and also mention the vulnerability of other critical aircraft systems.''

=== Modifications and economy ===
{{Specs-Economy}}

== Armaments ==
{{Specs-Avia-Armaments}}
=== Offensive armament ===
{{Specs-Avia-Offensive}}

{{main|NR-30 (30 mm)}}

The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' is armed with:

* 2 x 30 mm NR-30 cannons, wing-mounted (80 rpg = 160 total)

=== Suspended armament ===
{{Specs-Avia-Suspended}}

{{main|OFAB-100 (100 kg)|OFAB-250sv (250 kg)|FAB-500M-62 (500 kg)}}
{{main|Kh-23M|Kh-25|Kh-29L|R-60}}
{{main|S-3K|S-5K|S-8KO|S-24|GSh-23-2 (23 mm)}}

The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' can be outfitted with the following ordnance:

* Without load
* 2 x 23 mm GSh-23-2 cannons (250 rpg = 500 total)
* 20 x 100 kg OFAB-100 bombs (2,000 kg total)
* 10 x 250 kg OFAB-250sv bombs (2,500 kg total)
* 8 x 500 kg FAB-500M-62 bombs (4,000 kg total)
* 128 x S-5K rockets
* 80 x S-8KO rockets
* 28 x S-3K rockets
* 6 x S-24 rockets
* 2 x Kh-23M missiles
* 2 x Kh-25 missiles
* 1 x Kh-29L missile
* 4 x R-60 missiles
* 4 x R-60 missiles + 18 x 100 kg OFAB-100 bombs (1,800 kg total)
* 4 x R-60 missiles + 8 x 250 kg OFAB-250sv bombs (2,000 kg total)
* 4 x R-60 missiles + 6 x 500 kg FAB-500M-62 bombs (3,000 kg total)
* 4 x R-60 missiles + 64 x S-5K rockets
* 4 x R-60 missiles + 40 x S-8KO rockets
* 4 x R-60 missiles + 28 x S-3K rockets
* 4 x R-60 missiles + 4 x S-24 rockets
* 2 x R-60 missiles + 2 x Kh-23M missiles
* 4 x R-60 missiles + 2 x Kh-25 missiles
* 4 x R-60 missiles + 1 x Kh-29L missile
* 2 x 23 mm GSh-23-2 cannons + 18 x 100 kg OFAB-100 bombs (1,800 kg total)
* 2 x 23 mm GSh-23-2 cannons + 8 x 250 kg OFAB-250sv bombs (2,000 kg total)
* 2 x 23 mm GSh-23-2 cannons + 6 x 500 kg FAB-500M-62 bombs (3,000 kg total)
* 2 x 23 mm GSh-23-2 cannons + 64 x S-5K rockets
* 2 x 23 mm GSh-23-2 cannons + 40 x S-8KO rockets
* 2 x 23 mm GSh-23-2 cannons + 28 x S-3K rockets
* 2 x 23 mm GSh-23-2 cannons + 4 x S-24 rockets
* 1 x 23 mm GSh-23-2 cannon + 2 x Kh-23M missiles
* 2 x 23 mm GSh-23-2 cannons + 2 x Kh-25 missiles
* 2 x 23 mm GSh-23-2 cannons + 1 x Kh-29L missile

== Usage in battles ==
'''Important: right now you spawn with the wings foulded out at the spawn, if you WEP immediately you will rip your wings. Stay on 100 % for a few seconds until your wings swipe back, so you can WEP savely'''

''Describe the tactics of playing in the aircraft, the features of using aircraft in a team and advice on tactics. Refrain from creating a "guide" - do not impose a single point of view, but instead, give the reader food for thought. Examine the most dangerous enemies and give recommendations on fighting them. If necessary, note the specifics of the game in different modes (AB, RB, SB).''

=== Pros and cons ===

''Summarise and briefly evaluate the vehicle in terms of its characteristics and combat effectiveness. Mark its pros and cons in the bulleted list. Try not to use more than 6 points for each of the characteristics. Avoid using categorical definitions such as "bad", "good" and the like - use substitutions with softer forms such as "inadequate" and "effective".''

'''Pros:'''

*

'''Cons:'''

*

== History ==

''Describe the history of the creation and combat usage of the aircraft in more detail than in the introduction. If the historical reference turns out to be too long, take it to a separate article, taking a link to the article about the vehicle and adding a block "/History" (example: <nowiki>https://wiki.warthunder.com/(Vehicle-name)/History</nowiki>) and add a link to it here using the <code>main</code> template. Be sure to reference text and sources by using <code><nowiki><ref></ref></nowiki></code>, as well as adding them at the end of the article with <code><nowiki><references /></nowiki></code>. This section may also include the vehicle's dev blog entry (if applicable) and the in-game encyclopedia description (under <code><nowiki>=== In-game description ===</nowiki></code>, also if applicable).''

== Media ==

''Excellent additions to the article would be video guides, screenshots from the game, and photos.''

== See also ==

''Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:''

* ''reference to the series of the aircraft;''
* ''links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.''

== External links ==

''Paste links to sources and external resources, such as:''

* ''topic on the official game forum;''
* ''other literature.''

{{USSR jet aircraft}}

Su-17M2

2021-03-11T11:29:05Z

U83536669: I wrote Usage in battles

{{Specs-Card
|code=su_17m2
|images={{Specs-Card-Image|GarageImage_{{PAGENAME}}.jpg}}
}}

== Description ==

The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a rank {{Specs|rank}} Soviet strike aircraft {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update "Ixwa Strike"]].

== General info ==
=== Flight performance ===
{{Specs-Avia-Flight}}

''Describe how the aircraft behaves in the air. Speed, manoeuvrability, acceleration and allowable loads - these are the most important characteristics of the vehicle.''

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="70%"
! rowspan="2" | Characteristics
! colspan="2" | Max Speed (km/h at 11,000 m)
! rowspan="2" | Max altitude (metres)
! colspan="2" | Turn time (seconds)
! colspan="2" | Rate of climb (metres/second)
! rowspan="2" | Take-off run (metres)
|-
! AB !! RB !! AB !! RB !! AB !! RB
|-
! Stock
| 2,219 || 2,219 || rowspan="2" | {{Specs|ceiling}} || 27.3 || 27.4 || 164.8 || 164.8 || rowspan="2" | 850
|-
! Upgraded
| ___ || ___ || __._ || __._ || __._ || __._
|-
|}

==== Details ====
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="50%"
|-
! colspan="6" | Features
|-
! Combat flaps !! Take-off flaps !! Landing flaps !! Air brakes !! Arrestor gear !! Drogue chute
|-
| ✓ || ✓ || ✓ || ✓ || X || ✓ 
|-
|}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="50%"
|-
! colspan="7" | Limits
|-
! rowspan="2" | Wings (km/h)
! rowspan="2" | Gear (km/h)
! colspan="3" | Flaps (km/h)
! colspan="2" | Max Static G
|-
! Combat !! Take-off !! Landing !! + !! -
|-
| {{Specs|destruction|body}} || {{Specs|destruction|gear}} || ___ || ___ || ___ || ~__ || ~__
|-
|}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="4" | Optimal velocities (km/h)
|-
! Ailerons !! Rudder !! Elevators !! Radiator
|-
| < 740 || < 650 || < 650 || N/A
|-
|}

=== Survivability and armour ===
{{Specs-Avia-Armour}}

''Examine the survivability of the aircraft. Note how vulnerable the structure is and how secure the pilot is, whether the fuel tanks are armoured, etc. Describe the armour, if there is any, and also mention the vulnerability of other critical aircraft systems.''

=== Modifications and economy ===
{{Specs-Economy}}

== Armaments ==
{{Specs-Avia-Armaments}}
=== Offensive armament ===
{{Specs-Avia-Offensive}}

{{main|NR-30 (30 mm)}}

The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' is armed with:

* 2 x 30 mm NR-30 cannons, wing-mounted (80 rpg = 160 total)

=== Suspended armament ===
{{Specs-Avia-Suspended}}

{{main|OFAB-100 (100 kg)|OFAB-250sv (250 kg)|FAB-500M-62 (500 kg)}}
{{main|Kh-23M|Kh-25|Kh-29L|R-60}}
{{main|S-3K|S-5K|S-8KO|S-24|GSh-23-2 (23 mm)}}

The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' can be outfitted with the following ordnance:

* Without load
* 2 x 23 mm GSh-23-2 cannons (250 rpg = 500 total)
* 20 x 100 kg OFAB-100 bombs (2,000 kg total)
* 10 x 250 kg OFAB-250sv bombs (2,500 kg total)
* 8 x 500 kg FAB-500M-62 bombs (4,000 kg total)
* 128 x S-5K rockets
* 80 x S-8KO rockets
* 28 x S-3K rockets
* 6 x S-24 rockets
* 2 x Kh-23M missiles
* 2 x Kh-25 missiles
* 1 x Kh-29L missile
* 4 x R-60 missiles
* 4 x R-60 missiles + 18 x 100 kg OFAB-100 bombs (1,800 kg total)
* 4 x R-60 missiles + 8 x 250 kg OFAB-250sv bombs (2,000 kg total)
* 4 x R-60 missiles + 6 x 500 kg FAB-500M-62 bombs (3,000 kg total)
* 4 x R-60 missiles + 64 x S-5K rockets
* 4 x R-60 missiles + 40 x S-8KO rockets
* 4 x R-60 missiles + 28 x S-3K rockets
* 4 x R-60 missiles + 4 x S-24 rockets
* 2 x R-60 missiles + 2 x Kh-23M missiles
* 4 x R-60 missiles + 2 x Kh-25 missiles
* 4 x R-60 missiles + 1 x Kh-29L missile
* 2 x 23 mm GSh-23-2 cannons + 18 x 100 kg OFAB-100 bombs (1,800 kg total)
* 2 x 23 mm GSh-23-2 cannons + 8 x 250 kg OFAB-250sv bombs (2,000 kg total)
* 2 x 23 mm GSh-23-2 cannons + 6 x 500 kg FAB-500M-62 bombs (3,000 kg total)
* 2 x 23 mm GSh-23-2 cannons + 64 x S-5K rockets
* 2 x 23 mm GSh-23-2 cannons + 40 x S-8KO rockets
* 2 x 23 mm GSh-23-2 cannons + 28 x S-3K rockets
* 2 x 23 mm GSh-23-2 cannons + 4 x S-24 rockets
* 1 x 23 mm GSh-23-2 cannon + 2 x Kh-23M missiles
* 2 x 23 mm GSh-23-2 cannons + 2 x Kh-25 missiles
* 2 x 23 mm GSh-23-2 cannons + 1 x Kh-29L missile

== Usage in battles ==
The Su-17 M-2 can mainly be used in 3 different Roles:

1.Figther :

The Su-17 M-2 is fairly manoeuverable, the only Planes it can’t outturn are the Mirage and the J-35. Thanks to that you can use it as a figther too, best with 4 R-60s. Try to sideclimb in a 20-25 degree angle and try to flank the enemy. Come from behind in a support role, try to Boom and Zoom and find enemys low on energy. Do not become slow, since you do not have Flares and your best defence against missiles is staying fast.

'''Enemies you should pay attention to:'''

The [[Mirage IIIC]] and the [[J35D|J35D Draken]]: These planes are also serious foes since they out turn everything at their BR (keep in mind that the J35D Draken is more manoeuvrable than the Mirage) so dogfighting them is a death sentence. They're also able to wield deadly missiles, the Draken wields the Swedish license built AIM-9P3s known as [[RB24J|RB24Js]] and the Mirage has access to the extremely effective [[Matra R550 Magic 1]] that pulls 30 Gs and has a higher top speed than other IR guided missiles. The best thing to do against these planes is to do a zoom climb to bleed their speed since they have a lower thrust to weight ratio than you and then do oblique turns since they both bleed a ton of speed when turning and have a lower acceleration than you do. Try to not let them shoot a missile at you since you don’t have Flares and will have to try to outturn it. If that happens tur off the afterburner and pull hard.

[[F-4 Phantom II (Family)|Phantoms]], particularly [[F-4E]] and [[F-4EJ|EJ]] models: These Planes are the most common enemys and targets you should not prioritize first, since you can easily outturn them. In many cases you can evade their Aim-9Js by turning in one direction first, than rolling and switching direction. If you try to turnfigth them, pull out your Airbreaks to go below 1000 kph, fold out the wings and you wont have any Problems. If they try to get out of the turnfigth and outaccelerate you just shoot a R-60 at them.

2.Multirole:

The hudge amount of secondary weapons the Su-17 M-2 can carry invites you to play it as a multirole. As example you can take 6 500kg bombs and 4 R-60s, bomb up to 3 Bases and than play it as a fighter as written above.

3.Bomber:

The Su-17 can carry up to 8 500kg bombs, which is enough for 2 big bases or 4 small bases. After you bombed you can quickly return to base and rearm, thanks to its great flight characteristics. Using it as a bomber is a fairly save way to gain points, survive long and help your team by bleeding the enemys tickets.

=== Pros and cons ===

''Summarise and briefly evaluate the vehicle in terms of its characteristics and combat effectiveness. Mark its pros and cons in the bulleted list. Try not to use more than 6 points for each of the characteristics. Avoid using categorical definitions such as "bad", "good" and the like - use substitutions with softer forms such as "inadequate" and "effective".''

'''Pros:'''

*

'''Cons:'''

*

== History ==

''Describe the history of the creation and combat usage of the aircraft in more detail than in the introduction. If the historical reference turns out to be too long, take it to a separate article, taking a link to the article about the vehicle and adding a block "/History" (example: <nowiki>https://wiki.warthunder.com/(Vehicle-name)/History</nowiki>) and add a link to it here using the <code>main</code> template. Be sure to reference text and sources by using <code><nowiki><ref></ref></nowiki></code>, as well as adding them at the end of the article with <code><nowiki><references /></nowiki></code>. This section may also include the vehicle's dev blog entry (if applicable) and the in-game encyclopedia description (under <code><nowiki>=== In-game description ===</nowiki></code>, also if applicable).''

== Media ==

''Excellent additions to the article would be video guides, screenshots from the game, and photos.''

== See also ==

''Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:''

* ''reference to the series of the aircraft;''
* ''links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.''

== External links ==

''Paste links to sources and external resources, such as:''

* ''topic on the official game forum;''
* ''other literature.''

{{USSR jet aircraft}}

Su-17M2

2021-03-11T10:44:51Z

U83536669:

{{Specs-Card
|code=su_17m2
|images={{Specs-Card-Image|GarageImage_{{PAGENAME}}.jpg}}
}}

== Description ==

The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a rank {{Specs|rank}} Soviet strike aircraft {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update "Ixwa Strike"]].

== General info ==
=== Flight performance ===
{{Specs-Avia-Flight}}

''Describe how the aircraft behaves in the air. Speed, manoeuvrability, acceleration and allowable loads - these are the most important characteristics of the vehicle.''

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="70%"
! rowspan="2" | Characteristics
! colspan="2" | Max Speed (km/h at 11,000 m)
! rowspan="2" | Max altitude (metres)
! colspan="2" | Turn time (seconds)
! colspan="2" | Rate of climb (metres/second)
! rowspan="2" | Take-off run (metres)
|-
! AB !! RB !! AB !! RB !! AB !! RB
|-
! Stock
| 2,219 || 2,219 || rowspan="2" | {{Specs|ceiling}} || 27.3 || 27.4 || 164.8 || 164.8 || rowspan="2" | 850
|-
! Upgraded
| ___ || ___ || __._ || __._ || __._ || __._
|-
|}

==== Details ====
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="50%"
|-
! colspan="6" | Features
|-
! Combat flaps !! Take-off flaps !! Landing flaps !! Air brakes !! Arrestor gear !! Drogue chute
|-
| ✓ || ✓ || ✓ || ✓ || X || ✓ 
|-
|}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="50%"
|-
! colspan="7" | Limits
|-
! rowspan="2" | Wings (km/h)
! rowspan="2" | Gear (km/h)
! colspan="3" | Flaps (km/h)
! colspan="2" | Max Static G
|-
! Combat !! Take-off !! Landing !! + !! -
|-
| 1417 || {{Specs|destruction|gear}} || ___ || ___ || ___ || ~__ || ~__
|-
|}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="4" | Optimal velocities (km/h)
|-
! Ailerons !! Rudder !! Elevators !! Radiator
|-
| < 740 || < 650 || < 650 || N/A
|-
|}

=== Survivability and armour ===
{{Specs-Avia-Armour}}

''Examine the survivability of the aircraft. Note how vulnerable the structure is and how secure the pilot is, whether the fuel tanks are armoured, etc. Describe the armour, if there is any, and also mention the vulnerability of other critical aircraft systems.''

=== Modifications and economy ===
{{Specs-Economy}}

== Armaments ==
{{Specs-Avia-Armaments}}
=== Offensive armament ===
{{Specs-Avia-Offensive}}

{{main|NR-30 (30 mm)}}

The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' is armed with:

* 2 x 30 mm NR-30 cannons, wing-mounted (80 rpg = 160 total)

=== Suspended armament ===
{{Specs-Avia-Suspended}}

{{main|OFAB-100 (100 kg)|OFAB-250sv (250 kg)|FAB-500M-62 (500 kg)}}
{{main|Kh-23M|Kh-25|Kh-29L|R-60}}
{{main|S-3K|S-5K|S-8KO|S-24|GSh-23-2 (23 mm)}}

The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' can be outfitted with the following ordnance:

* Without load
* 2 x 23 mm GSh-23-2 cannons (250 rpg = 500 total)
* 20 x 100 kg OFAB-100 bombs (2,000 kg total)
* 10 x 250 kg OFAB-250sv bombs (2,500 kg total)
* 8 x 500 kg FAB-500M-62 bombs (4,000 kg total)
* 128 x S-5K rockets
* 80 x S-8KO rockets
* 28 x S-3K rockets
* 6 x S-24 rockets
* 2 x Kh-23M missiles
* 2 x Kh-25 missiles
* 1 x Kh-29L missile
* 4 x R-60 missiles
* 4 x R-60 missiles + 18 x 100 kg OFAB-100 bombs (1,800 kg total)
* 4 x R-60 missiles + 8 x 250 kg OFAB-250sv bombs (2,000 kg total)
* 4 x R-60 missiles + 6 x 500 kg FAB-500M-62 bombs (3,000 kg total)
* 4 x R-60 missiles + 64 x S-5K rockets
* 4 x R-60 missiles + 40 x S-8KO rockets
* 4 x R-60 missiles + 28 x S-3K rockets
* 4 x R-60 missiles + 4 x S-24 rockets
* 2 x R-60 missiles + 2 x Kh-23M missiles
* 4 x R-60 missiles + 2 x Kh-25 missiles
* 4 x R-60 missiles + 1 x Kh-29L missile
* 2 x 23 mm GSh-23-2 cannons + 18 x 100 kg OFAB-100 bombs (1,800 kg total)
* 2 x 23 mm GSh-23-2 cannons + 8 x 250 kg OFAB-250sv bombs (2,000 kg total)
* 2 x 23 mm GSh-23-2 cannons + 6 x 500 kg FAB-500M-62 bombs (3,000 kg total)
* 2 x 23 mm GSh-23-2 cannons + 64 x S-5K rockets
* 2 x 23 mm GSh-23-2 cannons + 40 x S-8KO rockets
* 2 x 23 mm GSh-23-2 cannons + 28 x S-3K rockets
* 2 x 23 mm GSh-23-2 cannons + 4 x S-24 rockets
* 1 x 23 mm GSh-23-2 cannon + 2 x Kh-23M missiles
* 2 x 23 mm GSh-23-2 cannons + 2 x Kh-25 missiles
* 2 x 23 mm GSh-23-2 cannons + 1 x Kh-29L missile

== Usage in battles ==

''Describe the tactics of playing in the aircraft, the features of using aircraft in a team and advice on tactics. Refrain from creating a "guide" - do not impose a single point of view, but instead, give the reader food for thought. Examine the most dangerous enemies and give recommendations on fighting them. If necessary, note the specifics of the game in different modes (AB, RB, SB).''

=== Pros and cons ===

''Summarise and briefly evaluate the vehicle in terms of its characteristics and combat effectiveness. Mark its pros and cons in the bulleted list. Try not to use more than 6 points for each of the characteristics. Avoid using categorical definitions such as "bad", "good" and the like - use substitutions with softer forms such as "inadequate" and "effective".''

'''Pros:'''

*

'''Cons:'''

*

== History ==

''Describe the history of the creation and combat usage of the aircraft in more detail than in the introduction. If the historical reference turns out to be too long, take it to a separate article, taking a link to the article about the vehicle and adding a block "/History" (example: <nowiki>https://wiki.warthunder.com/(Vehicle-name)/History</nowiki>) and add a link to it here using the <code>main</code> template. Be sure to reference text and sources by using <code><nowiki><ref></ref></nowiki></code>, as well as adding them at the end of the article with <code><nowiki><references /></nowiki></code>. This section may also include the vehicle's dev blog entry (if applicable) and the in-game encyclopedia description (under <code><nowiki>=== In-game description ===</nowiki></code>, also if applicable).''

== Media ==

''Excellent additions to the article would be video guides, screenshots from the game, and photos.''

== See also ==

''Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:''

* ''reference to the series of the aircraft;''
* ''links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.''

== External links ==

''Paste links to sources and external resources, such as:''

* ''topic on the official game forum;''
* ''other literature.''

{{USSR jet aircraft}}

Su-17M2

2021-03-11T10:44:06Z

U83536669: Speed of destruction with Wings folded back

{{Specs-Card
|code=su_17m2
|images={{Specs-Card-Image|GarageImage_{{PAGENAME}}.jpg}}
}}

== Description ==

The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a rank {{Specs|rank}} Soviet strike aircraft {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update "Ixwa Strike"]].

== General info ==
=== Flight performance ===
{{Specs-Avia-Flight}}

''Describe how the aircraft behaves in the air. Speed, manoeuvrability, acceleration and allowable loads - these are the most important characteristics of the vehicle.''

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="70%"
! rowspan="2" | Characteristics
! colspan="2" | Max Speed (km/h at 11,000 m)
! rowspan="2" | Max altitude (metres)
! colspan="2" | Turn time (seconds)
! colspan="2" | Rate of climb (metres/second)
! rowspan="2" | Take-off run (metres)
|-
! AB !! RB !! AB !! RB !! AB !! RB
|-
! Stock
| 2,219 || 2,219 || rowspan="2" | {{Specs|ceiling}} || 27.3 || 27.4 || 164.8 || 164.8 || rowspan="2" | 850
|-
! Upgraded
| ___ || ___ || __._ || __._ || __._ || __._
|-
|}

==== Details ====
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="50%"
|-
! colspan="6" | Features
|-
! Combat flaps !! Take-off flaps !! Landing flaps !! Air brakes !! Arrestor gear !! Drogue chute
|-
| ✓ || ✓ || ✓ || ✓ || X || ✓ 
|-
|}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="50%"
|-
! colspan="7" | Limits
|-
! rowspan="2" | Wings (km/h)
! rowspan="2" | Gear (km/h)
! colspan="3" | Flaps (km/h)
! colspan="2" | Max Static G
|-
! Combat !! Take-off !! Landing !! + !! -
|-
| 1417{{Specs|destruction|body}} || {{Specs|destruction|gear}} || ___ || ___ || ___ || ~__ || ~__
|-
|}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="4" | Optimal velocities (km/h)
|-
! Ailerons !! Rudder !! Elevators !! Radiator
|-
| < 740 || < 650 || < 650 || N/A
|-
|}

=== Survivability and armour ===
{{Specs-Avia-Armour}}

''Examine the survivability of the aircraft. Note how vulnerable the structure is and how secure the pilot is, whether the fuel tanks are armoured, etc. Describe the armour, if there is any, and also mention the vulnerability of other critical aircraft systems.''

=== Modifications and economy ===
{{Specs-Economy}}

== Armaments ==
{{Specs-Avia-Armaments}}
=== Offensive armament ===
{{Specs-Avia-Offensive}}

{{main|NR-30 (30 mm)}}

The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' is armed with:

* 2 x 30 mm NR-30 cannons, wing-mounted (80 rpg = 160 total)

=== Suspended armament ===
{{Specs-Avia-Suspended}}

{{main|OFAB-100 (100 kg)|OFAB-250sv (250 kg)|FAB-500M-62 (500 kg)}}
{{main|Kh-23M|Kh-25|Kh-29L|R-60}}
{{main|S-3K|S-5K|S-8KO|S-24|GSh-23-2 (23 mm)}}

The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' can be outfitted with the following ordnance:

* Without load
* 2 x 23 mm GSh-23-2 cannons (250 rpg = 500 total)
* 20 x 100 kg OFAB-100 bombs (2,000 kg total)
* 10 x 250 kg OFAB-250sv bombs (2,500 kg total)
* 8 x 500 kg FAB-500M-62 bombs (4,000 kg total)
* 128 x S-5K rockets
* 80 x S-8KO rockets
* 28 x S-3K rockets
* 6 x S-24 rockets
* 2 x Kh-23M missiles
* 2 x Kh-25 missiles
* 1 x Kh-29L missile
* 4 x R-60 missiles
* 4 x R-60 missiles + 18 x 100 kg OFAB-100 bombs (1,800 kg total)
* 4 x R-60 missiles + 8 x 250 kg OFAB-250sv bombs (2,000 kg total)
* 4 x R-60 missiles + 6 x 500 kg FAB-500M-62 bombs (3,000 kg total)
* 4 x R-60 missiles + 64 x S-5K rockets
* 4 x R-60 missiles + 40 x S-8KO rockets
* 4 x R-60 missiles + 28 x S-3K rockets
* 4 x R-60 missiles + 4 x S-24 rockets
* 2 x R-60 missiles + 2 x Kh-23M missiles
* 4 x R-60 missiles + 2 x Kh-25 missiles
* 4 x R-60 missiles + 1 x Kh-29L missile
* 2 x 23 mm GSh-23-2 cannons + 18 x 100 kg OFAB-100 bombs (1,800 kg total)
* 2 x 23 mm GSh-23-2 cannons + 8 x 250 kg OFAB-250sv bombs (2,000 kg total)
* 2 x 23 mm GSh-23-2 cannons + 6 x 500 kg FAB-500M-62 bombs (3,000 kg total)
* 2 x 23 mm GSh-23-2 cannons + 64 x S-5K rockets
* 2 x 23 mm GSh-23-2 cannons + 40 x S-8KO rockets
* 2 x 23 mm GSh-23-2 cannons + 28 x S-3K rockets
* 2 x 23 mm GSh-23-2 cannons + 4 x S-24 rockets
* 1 x 23 mm GSh-23-2 cannon + 2 x Kh-23M missiles
* 2 x 23 mm GSh-23-2 cannons + 2 x Kh-25 missiles
* 2 x 23 mm GSh-23-2 cannons + 1 x Kh-29L missile

== Usage in battles ==

''Describe the tactics of playing in the aircraft, the features of using aircraft in a team and advice on tactics. Refrain from creating a "guide" - do not impose a single point of view, but instead, give the reader food for thought. Examine the most dangerous enemies and give recommendations on fighting them. If necessary, note the specifics of the game in different modes (AB, RB, SB).''

=== Pros and cons ===

''Summarise and briefly evaluate the vehicle in terms of its characteristics and combat effectiveness. Mark its pros and cons in the bulleted list. Try not to use more than 6 points for each of the characteristics. Avoid using categorical definitions such as "bad", "good" and the like - use substitutions with softer forms such as "inadequate" and "effective".''

'''Pros:'''

*

'''Cons:'''

*

== History ==

''Describe the history of the creation and combat usage of the aircraft in more detail than in the introduction. If the historical reference turns out to be too long, take it to a separate article, taking a link to the article about the vehicle and adding a block "/History" (example: <nowiki>https://wiki.warthunder.com/(Vehicle-name)/History</nowiki>) and add a link to it here using the <code>main</code> template. Be sure to reference text and sources by using <code><nowiki><ref></ref></nowiki></code>, as well as adding them at the end of the article with <code><nowiki><references /></nowiki></code>. This section may also include the vehicle's dev blog entry (if applicable) and the in-game encyclopedia description (under <code><nowiki>=== In-game description ===</nowiki></code>, also if applicable).''

== Media ==

''Excellent additions to the article would be video guides, screenshots from the game, and photos.''

== See also ==

''Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:''

* ''reference to the series of the aircraft;''
* ''links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.''

== External links ==

''Paste links to sources and external resources, such as:''

* ''topic on the official game forum;''
* ''other literature.''

{{USSR jet aircraft}}