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2023-04-07T08:06:53Z

U83153598: Created page with "Occasionally fixes lowtier vehicles' wiki pages."

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M4A4 (France)

2023-04-07T08:03:52Z

U83153598: somehow someone thought this tank was German which made the entire pros/cons section weirdly out of place

{{About
| about = medium tank '''{{PAGENAME}}'''
| other
| usage-1 = other M4 Shermans
| link-1 = M4 Sherman (Family)
| usage-2 = other uses
| link-2 = M4 (Disambiguation)
}}
{{Specs-Card
|code=fr_m4a4_sherman
|images={{Specs-Card-Image|GarageImage_{{PAGENAME}}.jpg}}
}}

== Description ==

The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a rank {{Specs|rank}} French medium tank {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update "Starfighters"]].

== General info ==
=== Survivability and armour ===
{{Specs-Tank-Armour}}


'''Armour type:'''

* Rolled homogeneous armour
* Cast homogeneous armour (transmission housing, turret, gun mantlet)

{| class="wikitable"
|-
! Armour !! Front (Slope angle) !! Sides !! Rear !! Roof
|-
| Hull || 50.8 mm (56°) ''Front glacis'' 50.8 mm (8-17°) + 25.4 mm (29°) ''Viewports'' 34 + 25.4 mm (spherical) ''MG port'' 50.8 mm (3°) ''Radio antenna bulge'' 50.8 mm (cylindrical) ''Transmission housing'' || 38.1 mm 38.1 + 25.4 mm ''Ammo racks'' || 38.1 mm (21°) ''Top'' 38.1 mm ''Bottom'' || 19.5 mm ''Front section'' 12.7 mm (7°) ''Engine bay - centre'' 19.5 mm (23°) ''Engine bay - sides''
|-
| Turret || 76 mm (7-65°) ''Turret front'' 50.8 mm (9-26°) ''Turret front - gunner side'' 50.8 + 88.9 mm (cylindrical) ''Gun mantlet'' || 50.8 mm (1-3°) ''Turret sides'' 50.8 mm (58-66°) ''Roof radius'' || 50.8 mm (1-5°) ''Sponson'' 50.8 mm (21-65°) ''Roof slope'' || 25.4 mm
|-
| Cupola || colspan="3" style="text-align:center" | 50.8 mm (16°) || 25.4 mm
|-
|}

'''Notes:'''

* Suspension wheels are 15 mm thick while tracks are 20 mm thick and bogies are 10 mm thick.
* The belly of the tank is 12.7 mm thick.
* The internal wall separating the crew compartment from the engine bay is 9.5 mm thick.

The hull is very similar to the American [[M4|M4 Sherman]], with a 50.8 mm thick upper glacis and protruding hatches interrupting the glacis (reinforced with appliqué armour). A weak spot is the radio antenna bulge on the machine gunner side. The hull sides feature appliqué armour plates covering the ammunition storage racks. The turret is also very similar but lacks the appliqué armour on the right cheek, leaving a small weakened zone in that area. Frontal protection is quite good for its rank and shots from smaller anti-tank guns can generally be shrugged off, particularly when hull down. However more powerful guns such as the [[Pz.IV F2]]'s long 75 mm can destroy the tank easily, so care should be taken. The side armour is only 38.1 mm thick and can be easily penetrated by just about any anti-tank gun if not angled.

=== Mobility ===
{{Specs-Tank-Mobility}}


{{tankMobility|abMinHp=659|rbMinHp=376}}

Based on the chassis of the M4, the {{PAGENAME}} has the same good all-round mobility: the tank accelerates quickly and is able to reach a maximum speed of 44 km/h in a dozen of seconds. The brakes are powerful and will make the M4A4 skid rather than slow down when driving at maximum speed. The violent braking also causes the hull to wobble, making your targeting less accurate. The reverse speed is rather poor: it won't get you out of a dangerous situation quickly enough. The lack of neutral steering makes turning on the spot slow (2 km/h): make sure to build a little speed before turning and you'll turn much faster (11 km/h). Turning in reverse is equally slow (-2 km/h) Turning at full speed doesn't make you lose much speed as your acceleration is good. The offroad mobility is good: the {{PAGENAME}} reaches 16 km/h when fording, 17 km/h when driving uphill with some speed built-up but a mere 10 km/h uphill from a stop start. The tracks are large and grant you a decent mobility on hard (solid ground, roads) and soft terrain (mud, snow, sand). Light and medium obstacles (fences, posts, bushes and small trees) are not a problem but large obstacles will reduce your mobility: avoid them.

=== Modifications and economy ===
{{Specs-Economy}}

== Armaments ==
{{Specs-Tank-Armaments}}
=== Main armament ===
{{Specs-Tank-Weapon|1}}

{{main|M3 (75 mm)}}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="100%"
|-
! colspan="5" | [[M3 (75 mm)|75 mm M3]] || colspan="5" | Turret rotation speed (°/s) || colspan="4" | Reloading rate (seconds)
|-
! Mode !! Capacity !! Vertical !! Horizontal !! Stabilizer
! Stock !! Upgraded !! Full !! Expert !! Aced
! Stock !! Full !! Expert !! Aced
|-
! ''Arcade''
| rowspan="2" | 98 || rowspan="2" | -10°/+25° || rowspan="2" | ±180° || rowspan="2" | {{Annotation|Vertical|up to 24 km/h}} || 22.8 || 31.6 || 38.4 || 42.5 || 45.2 || rowspan="2" | 6.50 || rowspan="2" | 5.75 || rowspan="2" | 5.30 || rowspan="2" | 5.00
|-
! ''Realistic''
| 14.3 || 16.8 || 20.4 || 22.6 || 24.0
|-
|}

==== Ammunition ====
The available ammunition allows for engaging all types of targets:

* M72 shot - {{Annotation|AP|Armour-Piercing}} - Solid shot, stock shell. An armour-piercing shell with acceptable penetration but poor post-penetration damage.
* M48 shell - {{Annotation|HE|High-Explosive fragmentation shell}} - A low-velocity shell useful against soft targets, in particular when hitting an open-topped vehicle. Harmless against any enclosed vehicle with more than 10 mm of armour.
* M61 shot - {{Annotation|APCBC|Armour-Piercing Capped Ballistic Capped}} - A capped armour-piercing shell with a better penetration than the M72 thanks to its ballistic cap and a good post-penetration damage thanks to its explosive filler.
* M89 smoke shell - A shell deploying a smoke screen on impact, useful to blind enemy vehicles that are too remote for you to disable so that you can progress towards objectives.

{{:M3 (75 mm)/Ammunition|M72 shot, M48 shell, M61 shot, M89}}

==== [[Ammo racks]] ====

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! Full ammo
! 1st rack empty
! 2nd rack empty
! 3rd rack empty
! 4th rack empty
! 5th rack empty
! 6th rack empty
! 7th rack empty
! 8th rack empty
! Visual discrepancy
|-
| '''98''' || 91 ''(+7)'' || 89 ''(+9)'' || 86 ''(+12)'' || 79 ''(+19)'' || 62 ''(+36)'' || 46 ''(+52)'' || 31 ''(+67)'' || 1 ''(+97)'' || No
|-
|}
[[File:Ammoracks_M4A4_(Italy).png|right|thumb|x250px|[[Ammo racks]] of the {{PAGENAME}}]]
Notes:

* Racks disappear after you've fired all shells in the rack.
* To go into battle with the turret basket empty of ammo, pack 79 ''(+19)'' shells (racks 1 to 4 emptied).
* To go into battle with the turret basket and the flanks empty of ammo, pack 31 ''(+67)'' shells (racks 1 to 7 emptied).
* The 8th rack is large and located in a weak spot: the bottom section of the armour. In case of penetration, there is a high risk of ammo rack detonation. Make sure not to expose your flanks unnecessarily.

=== Machine guns ===
{{Specs-Tank-Weapon|2}}

{{main|M1919A4 (7.62 mm)}}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="50%"
|-
! colspan="5" | [[M1919A4 (7.62 mm)|7.62 mm M1919A4]]
|-
! Mount !! Capacity (Belt) !! Fire rate !! Vertical !! Horizontal
|-
| Coaxial || 3,000 (250) || 500 || N/A || N/A
|-
|}
The small calibre of the M1919A4 machine gun makes it largely ineffective against all armoured vehicles but the ones with an open compartment. It still can be used to ping targets as a rangefinding help or to mow down minor obstacles blocking your line of sight.

Furthermore, with only 1 coaxial 7.62 mm machine gun and without the familiar pintle-mounted M2 Browning HMG seen on other Sherman models, the M4A4 is badly equipped to fend off fast and lightly armoured vehicles like the [[Sd.Kfz.234/2|Puma]], having to rely on the main gun instead.

== Usage in battles ==

A well-rounded tank like most Shermans, the M4A4 enjoys decent armour, mobility, and firepower compared to its peers. Anyone familiar with the early Sherman models from other tech trees will feel right at home. It is best used at medium ranges, where the gun and armour are both quite effective, but it can partake in close range brawling in a pinch thanks to its vertical stabilizer. Stick close to teammates, keep an eye on the surroundings, and avoid overextending, as the reverse speed is bad and it is hard to retreat quickly.

While the frontal armour is good, especially when angled, staying constantly exposed to enemy fire is not advised due to a large number of weak spots. When hull-down, try to hide the portion of the right turret cheek next to the gun mantlet when possible, as the armour there is thin and lucky shot from a reserve tank might go through it. The side armour is very poor and it pays to watch out for flankers, even SPAAs.

'''Enemies worth noting:'''

[[M4A2]]/[[M4A4 (1st PTG)|A4]] - These Sherman tanks are widely used by over 3 nations that spread across both the Allied and the Axis side, so no matter which nation you play they can be quite tough to destroy in the hands of a skilled tanker. Given the rather weak penetration of your short 75 mm gun, their hull can be almost impossible to penetrate when angled, hull down or 300 m away. For a M4A4, there are 2 apparent bulges on the upper front plate, a penetration through there is a guaranteed kill most of the times. But in case the opponent covers them up or when it's a M4A2, aim for the middle parts of the gun mantlet or the turret armour unprotected by the mantlet, you can at least make them defenseless. Note that their guns are equally weak against you, so wiggle around to disrupt their aim while you reload, you have a good chance of bouncing some shells.

[[KW I C 756 (r) (Germany)|KW I C 756 (r)]] - One heavy tank where the M4 Sherman will have difficulty fighting is this upgunned German-captured KV-1. While the early Russian KV-1's L-11 cannon is less powerful, this new long barreled 75 mm KwK40 is lethal enough to penetrate the M4A4's front and one-shot it, while the M4A4 cannot consistently penetrate the thick armour of the KV-1, especially when it has its additional armour plates equipped. If you come across this heavy tank and it angles the hull, aim for the gun mantlet since it is only 50 mm thick. You can easily take out its gunner. Or shoot at the equally thin commander cupola, where you also have a chance to take down some turret crew. Of course, the most reliable tactic is to shoot at its sides without any angle, where its flat side armour becomes a large and easy target, although you will still have to get as close as you can to penetrate the armour. In addition, side shots will most likely hit fuel tanks or ammunition racks, causing fires or blowing up the ammunition. Remember, your vertical stabiliser and better agility are always great assists when fighting against heavily protected tanks like this.

[[Churchill (Family)|Churchill]] heavy tanks - The Churchills, with their complex hulls and sturdy turrets, can be quite hard to kill at range. Again, manoeuvre as close to them as possible, the ideal distance being no more than 200 m. If they are angling their hull but facing their turret at you, only go for the turret. For the Mk I Churchills, aim at the near-vertical part of their rounded cheeks to ensure successful penetrations. For the Mk III and the German Churchill, also aim for their flat turret which is at most 89 mm. The shell should go in easily and knock out most, if not all of the crew. Only when you are facing their hull without any angles should you shoot the hull, otherwise shoot the turret only, as their big tracks can easily get in front of the frontal hull. The side hull have multiple layers of armour, some of which are weirdly angled and can absorb plenty of shells. Luckily this tank is a rare matchup for the French M4A4 in Realistic Battles, where the British are usually on your team.

[[Pz.IV F2]]/[[Pz.IV G|G]]/[[Pz.IV H|H]]/[[Pz.IV J|J]] - The historical nemesis of any Sherman, the Panzer IV is one of the Sherman's biggest threats at this rank. The long barrel 75 mm gun will easily penetrate the Sherman from the front. The F2 variant is admittedly easy to deal with. A single APCBC to its hull or turret should end it pretty quickly, even at long range. The other variants are slightly harder to deal with. They have thicker hull armour, at 80 mm, which will be much harder to penetrate with the APCBC over 500 m. Luckily the turret armour remains the same at 50 mm. Either aim here with APCBC or sacrifice damage potential and use the AP round to penetrate the hull.

[[StuG III F]]/[[StuG III G|G]] - Another historical nemesis of the Sherman, and another big threat. The StuG III packs the same punch as the Panzer IV line with its long barrel 75 mm gun, whilst losing the turret, which turns out to be both an advantage and a disadvantage. Lacking a turret means that it will have to traverse the whole vehicle to target an enemy, but it also means that it has a lower profile. The StuG's armour profile is also more complex than the Panzer IV, with less flat areas. Certain areas are sloped and very bouncy. Luckily, there is a big weak spot. There are two flat plates on the front of the hull. The flat plate on the right is the drivers port. Shoot that and you are able to kill the driver, gunner and loader in one go. This is a very efficient way to destroy this vehicle. With the F variant, you can use APCBC to instantly one-shot this vehicle. With the G variant, it is more reliable to use AP at ranges within 500 m to ensure penetration.

=== Pros and cons ===


'''Pros:'''

* Excellent gun depression of -10° plus the angled frontal turret allows it to utilise hills very well
* Great penetration and post-penetration damage when using M61 shells; can frontally penetrate and one-shot most opponents like the [[T-34 (Family)|T-34,]] Crusader, [[M4]] and others
* Vertical stabiliser allows it to fire on the move, or, in a sudden encounter, fire before the enemy which is critical
* Well angled frontal armour; when angling the hull it can deflect some low calibre / low-penetrating shells like the Stuarts' 37 mm, 75 mm M1, 76 mm F-34 / Zis-5 and others
* Adequate top speed allows it to get to positions in time, or to do tactical manoeuvres like flanking
* Rather fast reload speed for follow up shots
* Plenty of reserve ammunition for prolonged fighting without replenishing at captured points

'''Cons:'''

* Large profile and weak side armour; flankers like the M24 Chaffee can easily see and penetrate it
* Frontal armour is still inadequate, will get frontally penetrated and one-shot by tanks like the [[Pz.IV (Family)|long-barreled Pz.IV]], [[StuG III F]] and [[T-34-57]]
* The best M61 shell struggles to penetrate heavy targets like [[KV-1 (ZiS-5)]], Churchill Mk.III or even the T-34 when angled
* Trajectory is curved and velocity is low due to its short barrel, thus distant/moving targets are hard to shoot at
* Hull traverse is quite slow, making it sluggish in a turn; this tank also lacks neutral steering
* Roof armour of 19.5 mm thick is vulnerable to airstrikes with AP cannons. For example the widely used [[M2 Browning (12.7 mm)|M2 Browning]]

== History ==


===Combat usage===
The M4A4 was a M4 variant exclusively manufactured for export purposes. They equipped British, French, Italian and French armies.
The {{PAGENAME}} were provided officially to the Free French Forces through the lend-lease program alongside the M4A2 in 1943 and 1944.
656 Shermans were allocated to the Free French Forces: 274 M4A4 and 382 M4A2. The first M4A4 were delivered in 1943 in the ports of Algiers and Casablanca to equip French Armoured Divisions. They were then transported to the UK in 1944 in preparation of the invasion of France and saw combat action in France in 1944 and in Western Germany in early 1945.

== Media ==


;Skins

* [https://live.warthunder.com/feed/camouflages/?vehicle=fr_m4a4_sherman Skins and camouflages for the {{PAGENAME}} from live.warthunder.com.]

== See also ==


;Vehicles equipped with the same chassis

* [[M4A4 (1st PTG)]]
* [[M4A4 (China)]]
* [[M4A4 (Italy)]]

== External links ==


* [[wikipedia:M4_Sherman|[Wikipedia] M4 Sherman]]
* [https://tanks-encyclopedia.com/ww2/US/M4_Sherman <nowiki>[Tanks Encyclopedia]</nowiki> Medium Tank M4 Sherman]
* [http://the.shadock.free.fr/sherman_minutia/french_shermans/french_shermans.html <nowiki>[The Shadock]</nowiki> French Shermans during WW2]

{{TankManufacturer Ordnance Department}}
{{France medium tanks}}

Fokker D.XXI-3 (Sweden)

2023-04-01T13:06:22Z

U83153598: copied the History section of the premium fokker d20 over onto the finnish tree version as the vehicles are basically identical except for the armament which is never mentioned in this section

{{About
| about = fighter '''{{PAGENAME}}'''
| usage = the premium version
| link = Fokker D.XXI (Sweden)
}}
{{Specs-Card
|code=fokker_d21_serie3_finland
|images={{Specs-Card-Image|GarageImage_{{PAGENAME}}.jpg}}
}}

== Description ==

The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a rank {{Specs|rank}} Swedish fighter {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update "Fire and Ice"]]. Apart from the armament and a bit of armour behind the pilot, it is broadly similar to the premium [[Fokker D.XXI|D.XXI]]: primitive but rugged, slow but very manoeuvrable. The loss in punch of its offensive armament (four 7.7 mm Brownings instead of the two 7.7 mm and two 20 mm cannon in the premium version) is partially offset by the lower BR. Even stock, the engine can be run at WEP for extended periods of time without overheating.

== General info ==
=== Flight performance ===
{{Specs-Avia-Flight}}

The Fokker D.XXI-3 is highly agile for its class, and many opponents (except biplanes) will often struggle to get a good shot. The downside to its manoeuvrability is its speed. The Fokker D.XXI-3 is quite primitive, with only landing flaps, and fixed landing gear causing considerable drag. This makes the Fokker D.XXI-3 unable to run away from most opponents, as even some biplanes are capable of catching up. This doesn't mean the plane is weak however, as the engine provides excellent power for such a light machine, allowing it to climb high above most targets.

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="70%"
! rowspan="2" | Characteristics
! colspan="2" | Max speed (km/h at 5,000 m)
! rowspan="2" | Max altitude (metres)
! colspan="2" | Turn time (seconds)
! colspan="2" | Rate of climb (metres/second)
! rowspan="2" | Take-off run (metres)
|-
! AB !! RB !! AB !! RB !! AB !! RB
|-
! Stock
| 410 || 398 || rowspan="2" | {{Specs|ceiling}} || 16.7 || 17.3 || 11.3 || 11.3 || rowspan="2" | 150
|-
! Upgraded
| 441 || 425 || 15.5 || 16.0 || 17.7 || 14.2
|-
|}

==== Details ====
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="50%"
|-
! colspan="5" | Features
|-
! Combat flaps !! Take-off flaps !! Landing flaps !! Air brakes !! Arrestor gear
|-
| X || X || ✓ || X || X 
|-
|}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="50%"
|-
! colspan="7" | Limits
|-
! rowspan="2" | Wings (km/h)
! rowspan="2" | Gear (km/h)
! colspan="3" | Flaps (km/h)
! colspan="2" | Max Static G
|-
! Combat !! Take-off !! Landing !! + !! -
|-
| 735  || {{Specs|destruction|gear}} || N/A || N/A || 240 || ~15 || ~6
|-
|}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="4" | Optimal velocities (km/h)
|-
! Ailerons !! Rudder !! Elevators !! Radiator
|-
| < 320 || < 240 || < 500 || > 320
|-
|}

=== Survivability and armour ===
{{Specs-Avia-Armour}}


* Armour: one 9 mm steel plate behind pilot's seat
* Self-sealing fuel tanks (1 in front of pilot)

=== Modifications and economy ===
{{Specs-Economy}}

== Armaments ==
{{Specs-Avia-Armaments}}
=== Offensive armament ===
{{Specs-Avia-Offensive}}

{{main|FN-Browning M.36 No.3 (7.7 mm)}}

The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' is armed with:

* 2 x 7.7 mm FN-Browning M.36 No.3 machine guns, nose-mounted (500 rpg = 1,000 total)
* 2 x 7.7 mm FN-Browning M.36 No.3 machine guns, wing-mounted (300 rpg = 600 total)

== Usage in battles ==

In dogfights, use your superior turn time to get an advantage over opponents. Keep your speed above 170 k/h while dogfighting to avoid becoming sluggish. Having a good altitude advantage is a must as this will grant your plane more energy before entering a fight.

=== Manual Engine Control ===
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="7" | MEC elements
|-
! rowspan="2" | Mixer
! rowspan="2" | Pitch
! colspan="3" | Radiator
! rowspan="2" | Supercharger
! rowspan="2" | Turbocharger
|-
! Oil !! Water !! Type
|-
| Controllable || Controllable Not auto controlled || Not controllable Not auto controlled || Not controllable Not auto controlled || Separate || Not controllable 1 gear || Not controllable
|-
|}

=== Pros and cons ===

'''Pros:'''

* High climb rate, especially for a monoplane of this BR
* Only one fuel tank, so fires usually would not be started if the aircraft was tailed
* Great turn time
* Engine takes a while to overheat on WEP
* Sturdy airframe tolerates high speed dives
* Very stable aircraft to fly in simulator battles
* Fixed landing gear makes landings easier and more simplified
* Good armament for its BR

'''Cons:'''

* Rather slow, cannot escape fights
* Only has landing flaps
* No armour

== History ==

Development of what would become the Fokker D.XXI began in late 1934 with engineers at the Fokker company seeking to design a modern fighter aircraft, incorporating some of the latest aviation technologies. In 1935, the Dutch Air Force ordered the construction of a prototype which would be evaluated by its East Indies branch, as a result of the aircraft being seen as suitable for defending Dutch overseas assets.

Although its maiden flight in 1936 showed enough promise, the fate of the Fokker D.XXI was "hanging in the air" for a time due to a change in doctrine within the Dutch Air Force. As a result, Fokker began looking into promoting the aircraft on the export market, hoping to find foreign customers.

Fortunately, Fokker received interest from both Denmark and Finland to purchase a number of aircraft as well as rights to production. At the same time, domestic interest was also revived, resulting in the start of production in 1937.

Despite being a Dutch design, the Fokker D.XXI was predominantly produced and employed by Finland. Having built and operated around ⅔ of all D.XXIs, the Finnish Fokkers distinguished themselves during the Winter and Continuation War, although with less success in the latter due to their dated design. The Dutch Fokkers also put up a stiff resistance to the invading German forces in May 1940, shooting down a number of enemy aircraft, including several superior Messerschmitt Bf 109s. In the end, approximately 150 D.XXIs were built, serving up until 1949 with Finnish forces.

== Media ==


;Skins

* [https://live.warthunder.com/feed/camouflages/?vehicle=fokker_d21_serie3_finland Skins and camouflages for the {{PAGENAME}} from live.warthunder.com.]

== See also ==

''Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:''

* ''reference to the series of the aircraft;''
* ''links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.''

== External links ==


* [[wikipedia:Fokker_D.XXI|[Wikipedia] Fokker D.XXI]]

{{AirManufacturer Fokker}}
{{Sweden fighters}}

M4A4 (SA50)

2023-04-01T09:21:48Z

U83153598: even more grammatical errors

{{About
| about = French medium tank '''{{PAGENAME}}'''
| other
| usage-1 = other M4 Shermans
| link-1 = M4 Sherman (Family)
| usage-2 = other uses
| link-2 = M4 (Disambiguation)
}}
{{Specs-Card
|code=fr_m4a4_cn_75_50
|images={{Specs-Card-Image|GarageImage_{{PAGENAME}}.jpg}}
}}

== Description ==

The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a rank {{Specs|rank}} French medium tank {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update 1.75 "La Résistance"]]. This tank is the equivalent to the British [[Sherman Firefly]], trading its top-mounted HMG and additional armour for a better main gun: the SA50 L/57 cannon, which is the same gun as the one featured on the well-known [[AMX-13]], providing an interesting perspective to what's coming next in terms of firepower. That being said, the rest of this tank is 100% Sherman, with all its pros and cons.

As with any Sherman design, this tank is quite similar to the iconic look of this vehicle's family: tall profile, sloped frontal armour, front-mounted transmission, radial engine, rounded turret with complex gun mantlet, it's got it all. The only difference from the original American Sherman is its long gun featuring a muzzle brake.

== General info ==
=== Survivability and armour ===
{{Specs-Tank-Armour}}

With its sloped frontal armour, many low-calibre shells will just bounce off the Sherman, though any actual anti-tank gun you will face at this BR will easily go through this relatively thin armour at medium range. Keep in mind not to linger too long in front of SPAAs as there are two very convenient flat plates in front of the driver and machine gunner which can possibly be penetrated by AA's of the BR. As for the turret, some angles may deflect shots but don't count on it. Side and rear armour plates are vulnerable to anything bigger than HMG rounds since they are only 38 mm thick. In conclusion, this armour is there to provide occasional protection from poorly aimed shots and autocannon fire, but nothing more.

'''Armour type:'''

* Rolled homogeneous armour (hull)
* Cast homogeneous armour (turret, gun mantlet, cupola, transmission carter, MG port)

{| class="wikitable"
|-
! Armour !! Front (Slope angle) !! Sides !! Rear !! Roof
|-
| Hull || 50.8 mm (56°) ''Front glacis'' 50.8 mm (8-17°) ''Viewports'' 34 + 25.4 mm (spherical) ''MG port'' 50.8 mm (3°) ''Radio antenna bulge'' 50.8 mm (cylindrical) ''Transmission housing'' || 38.1 mm 38.1 + 25.4 mm ''Ammo racks'' || 38.1 mm (21°) ''Top'' 38.1 mm ''Bottom'' || 50.8 mm (34°) ''Front glacis'' 19.5 mm ''Centre'' 25.4 mm ''Centre - Turret base'' 25.4 mm (7°) ''Engine bay - centre'' 19.5 mm (23°) ''Engine bay - sides''
|-
| Turret || 76 mm (7-65°) ''Turret front'' 63-100 mm (0-62°) ''Gun mantlet'' 51 mm (0-80°) ''Protruding gun mantlet'' || 51 mm (0-68°) || 51 mm (3-68°) || 25.4 mm
|-
| Cupola || colspan="3" style="text-align:center" | 63.5 mm (conical) || 63.5 mm ''Outer ring'' 25.4 mm ''Centre''
|}
'''Notes:'''

* Suspension wheels are 15 mm thick, while bogies are 10 mm thick and tracks are 20 mm thick.

=== Mobility ===
{{Specs-Tank-Mobility}}


The Sherman chassis, with all its good and bad attributes carries this tank around on the battlefield. It will carry its user wherever it likes but it takes some time to do so; don't count on it for hasty retreats as both reverse speed and hull turning are slow when this tank is stopped. As long as it is not required to do back-flips and drifting, this chassis does it's job fairly well.

{{tankMobility|abMinHp=620|rbMinHp=354}}

=== Modifications and economy ===
{{Specs-Economy}}

== Armaments ==
{{Specs-Tank-Armaments}}
=== Main armament ===
{{Specs-Tank-Weapon|1}}

{{main|SA50 L/57 (75 mm)}}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="100%"
|-
! colspan="5" | [[SA50 L/57 (75 mm)|75 mm SA50 L/57]] || colspan="5" | Turret rotation speed (°/s) || colspan="4" | Reloading rate (seconds)
|-
! Mode !! Capacity !! Vertical !! Horizontal !! Stabilizer
! Stock !! Upgraded !! Full !! Expert !! Aced
! Stock !! Full !! Expert !! Aced
|-
! ''Arcade''
| rowspan="2" | 62 || rowspan="2" | -10°/+25° || rowspan="2" | ±180° || rowspan="2" | N/A || 22.9 || 31.6 || 38.4 || 42.5 || 45.2 || rowspan="2" | 9.75 || rowspan="2" | 8.62 || rowspan="2" | 7.95 || rowspan="2" | 7.50
|-
! ''Realistic''
| 14.3 || 16.8 || 20.4 || 22.6 || 24.0
|-
|}
The Sherman's turret was not made for such a huge gun. This is why this tank has an elongated mantlet: to provide space for the long SA50 L/57 cannon. Originally, this tank was provided with a vertical stabiliser but it was disabled with this new gun mount as the strain was too great for this piece. Thus, unlike most Shermans, the French M4A4 SA50 does not have a stabilized gun; this however is more than made up for by the egregious penetration rates of the high-velocity cannon. This main armament performs a bit better than its British counterpart, the [[Ordnance QF 17-pounder (76 mm)|QF 17-pounder]], as it has superior penetration rates at all ranges. With such a gun, sniping is an easy task as only [[Panther D|early Panthers]] will be able to bounce an incoming round (they still have weak spots, though).

With this great amount of firepower come some downsides however: it is not stabilized which makes target acquisition quite slow and the lack of explosive filler means that you will have to aim each shot to make it count. This specific Sherman's main weakness however is its lack of top-mounted MG, leaving it mostly vulnerable to strafing planes.

==== Ammunition ====
{{:SA50 L/57 (75 mm)/Ammunition|POT-51A, OE Mle 1951, PCOT-51P}}

==== [[Ammo racks]] ====
[[File:Ammoracks_{{PAGENAME}}.jpg|right|thumb|x250px|[[Ammo racks]] of the {{PAGENAME}}]]

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! Full ammo
! 1st rack empty
! 2nd rack empty
! 3rd rack empty
! 4th rack empty
! 5th rack empty
! 6th rack empty
! Visual discrepancy
|-
|-
| '''62''' || 57 ''(+5)'' || 51 ''(+11)'' || 42 ''(+20)'' || 33 ''(+29)'' || 17 ''(+45)'' || 1 ''(+61)'' || No
|-
|}
'''Notes''':

* As they are modeled by sets of 3 or 4, shells disappear from the rack only after you've fired all shells in the set.
* Flank racks empty: 33 (+29) shells.
* The top rows of all 4 floor racks deplete successively, followed by all bottom rows.

=== Machine guns ===
{{Specs-Tank-Weapon|2}}

{{main|M1919A4 (7.62 mm)}}

The small calibre of the M1919A4 machine gun makes it largely ineffective against all armoured vehicles but the ones with an open compartment. It still can be used to ping targets as a rangefinding help or to mow down minor obstacles blocking your line of sight.

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="50%"
|-
! colspan="5" | [[M1919A4 (7.62 mm)|7.62 mm M1919A4]]
|-
! Mount !! Capacity (Belt) !! Fire rate !! Vertical !! Horizontal
|-
| Coaxial || 3,000 (250) || 500 || N/A || N/A
|-
|}

== Usage in battles ==

Experienced Sherman commanders will like this tank as it drastically increases this old boy's lethality. This tank is a very good representative of the medium tank line, with average mobility, sufficient armour and enjoyable firepower. Get into position, manage to avoid shots doing so and play any role an average tank can fit into: sniper, brawler, flanker, etc.

With good overall characteristics, this vehicle can play many roles on the battlefield. Here are some of them:

'''Brawler:'''

This tank has bad armour for the BR and the tank gives that away very clearly. Using its good turret traverse rate and close-quarter penetration rates, it should blast through almost anything it looks at. This tactic is very efficient in urban combat, where long range precision shots are not required. Do note that only reaction time and situation awareness can save you, as any main gun will make short work of you. Make sure to surprise your enemies while you avoid being targeted yourself. This tactic can deliver you some points if executed well. The most important thing about this tactic is to know when to hold back, as enemies will be aware of a rampaging Sherman in the area and will take advantage of it as soon as they get the opportunity. This is a high risk/high reward type of playstyle.

'''Sniper:'''

This scenario is the most advantagious for the M4A4 (SA50) because the vehicle is very suited to open maps. It can easily dominate the field (especially against tanks of a lower BR) when you employ the right tactics; keep a good distance from your enemy and use your own cannon to penetrate them from any range. Even if your armour is not the best, it should block most incoming rounds which will have lost most of their penetration power at those ranges. Make sure to reposition your vehicle after every 2-3 shots as you may get spotted by a tank destroyer, which is one of the few dangerous foes even on longer ranges. This tactic is even more effective when you are in a hull-down position: unlike Soviet vehicles, this tank has -10° of depression which you can make good use of.

Use your imagination: any tactic that doesn't rely on your armour is effective with the M4A4 (SA50). Supporting your teammates, ambushing oblivious enemies, many tactics are effective with this versatile tank.

=== Pros and cons ===


'''Pros:'''

* Excellent 75 mm gun, arguably better than the legendary 17-pounder due to the penetration and accuracy of the gun
* Outstanding penetration on the default APCBC at all ranges
* Unlike the Sherman Firefly, the SA50 gets 10 degrees of gun depression. Makes cresting ridgelines a good tactic
* Set of optics with 7.5x magnification
* The gun mantlet is both large and V-shaped. Can reliably stop or bounce incoming fire
* Due to all the pros listed above, the SA50 is one of the best pound-for-pound snipers and ridgeline shooters in the game

'''Cons:'''

* Bad overall armour layout: doesn't have any add-on tracks lining the sides like the Firefly
* Doesn't have access to any shells with explosive filler
* Higher-than-average reload time for the battle rating
* No roof mounted .50 cal HMG like on other Shermans at the same BR

== History ==

===Israeli M4 Shermans===
During the Cold War, the Israelis received stocks of [[M4|M4 Sherman]] tanks to equip their armoured force. They were obtained from the British, French, and scrap yards across Europe.<ref name="ZalogaIsraeli">Zaloga 2008, "Chapter 11: Cold War Sherman"</ref> Their designations on the Shermans were based on their armaments, leading to names such as the ''Sherman M-1'' with the [[M1 (76 mm)|76 mm M1 gun]], the ''Sherman M-3'' with the [[M3 (75 mm)|75 mm M3 gun]], and the ''Sherman M-4'' with the [[M4 (105 mm)|105 mm M4 howitzer]], regardless of Sherman hull and engine model types. Sherman tanks equipped with the horizontal volute suspension system (HVSS) were given the added name "Super" in the designation.<ref name="ShermanTankIsraeli">Jeeps_Guns_Tanks 2015, ''#34''</ref>

The M4 Shermans were seen as adequate in the early 1950s conflicts, but the Soviet arms trade with the neighboring Arab countries in the 1950s caused the Israelis to focus on uparming their existing Sherman inventory. Their program was a 1954 joint venture with France to arm the Sherman with the 75 mm SA50 gun from the [[AMX-13]] light tank. The modifications to hold the 75 mm SA50 gun required the extension of the Sherman turret front and rear to make room for the gun and add a counterweight for the heavier front weight. With the success of this modification, the Israelis chose the 75 mm SA50 gun to be the new armament for the M4 Sherman inventory. The first fifty tanks with the 75 mm SA50 guns were added into a M4A4 Sherman hull converted to use a R975 radial engine by the French, these tanks designated as the '''M-50 Sherman''' by Israel. These used a vertical-volute suspension system (VVSS), but the added weight of the gun inhibited the M-50's flotation and mobility, so this was shifted to use the HVSS and the Cummins diesel engine. These two variants are distinguished by engine type as the ''M-50 Continental'' and the ''M-50 Cummins.'' Other hulls outside the M4A4 were also used in the conversions.<ref name="ShermanTankIsraeli" />

===Combat usage===
The M-50 Sherman was used by Israeli during the 1956 Suez Crisis and the 1967 Six-Day War. The 1956 Suez Crisis against Egypt was a curious case as the Egyptians also send their M4 Sherman inventory through a similar uparm program by adding the [[M4A1 (FL10)|AMX-13 turret onto their M4 Shermans]], giving them their own usage of the 75 mm SA50 gun on the M4 Sherman tanks.<ref name="ZalogaIsraeli" />

Its use in the 1967 war was interleaved with the more powerful M-51 Sherman, a similar upgun program with the French 105 mm Modèle F1 from the [[AMX-30 (1972)|AMX-30]] tank.<ref name="ShermanTankIsraeli" /> Though the early M-50 Continentals were retired by 1972, the
the M-50 Cummins and M-51 served together up until the early 1980s, having to fight more modern Soviet tanks such as the [[T-55A|T-54/55]] tanks in the 1973 Yom-Kippur War. The Israeli gave away several of the M-50 Shermans to Lebanon to aid supporting militia groups in the Lebanese Civil War, in this conflict two were captured by Palestine, which they used against during the 1982 Lebanon War.<ref name="ChadM-50">Chad 2011</ref> About 50 M-50 were given to Chile in late 1980s, rearmed with an IMI-OTO 60 mm Hyper Velocity Medium Support gun, which they used until 1999 when they replaced them with the [[Leopard I|Leopard 1]] tanks. The Israelis cleared their stocks of M-50 and M-51 by this time, sold to collections, used as range targets, or repurposed to other usage such as engineer vehicles.

== Media ==


;Skins

* [https://live.warthunder.com/feed/camouflages/?vehicle=fr_m4a4_cn_75_50 Skins and camouflages for the {{PAGENAME}} from live.warthunder.com.]

;Videos
{{Youtube-gallery|OoKX7cxoQbM|'''M4A4 (SA50), French, Tier-3, Medium Tank / Israeli M50 Mk.I''' - ''Angry Nerd Gaming''}}

== See also ==


;Vehicles equipped with the same chassis

* [[M4 Sherman (Family)]]

== External links ==


* [[wt:en/news/5186-development-m4a4-sa50-the-desert-warrior-en|[Devblog] M4A4 (SA50) - The Desert Warrior]]
* [[wikipedia:Super_Sherman|[Wikipedia] Super Sherman]]
* [https://tanks-encyclopedia.com/coldwar/israel/m50-51_super-sherman.php <nowiki>[Tanks Encyclopedia]</nowiki> M-50]

===References===

;Citations
<references />

;Bibliography

* Chad. "Palestinian Armor." Military In the Middle East. WordPress, 12 Jan. 2011. Web. 30 Dec. 2017. [https://milinme.wordpress.com/2011/01/12/palestinian-armor/ Website] ([https://web.archive.org/web/20220511010339/https://milinme.wordpress.com/2011/01/12/palestinian-armor/ Archive]).
* Jeeps_Guns_Tanks. "#34 Israeli Shermans: The Most Powerful Shermans Ever To See Action." The Sherman Tank Site. WordPress, 20 Dec. 2015. Web. 30 Dec. 2017. [http://www.theshermantank.com/m50/israeli-shermans-the-most-powerful-shermans-ever-to-see-action/ Website] ([https://web.archive.org/web/20220511010517/http://www.theshermantank.com/m50/israeli-shermans-the-most-powerful-shermans-ever-to-see-action/ Archive]).
* Zaloga Steven. Armored Thunderbolt: The U.S. Army Sherman in World War II Stackpole Books, 2008

{{France medium tanks}}

M4A4 (SA50)

2023-04-01T08:54:59Z

U83153598: many grammatical errors fixed (this was not written by someone fluent in English)

{{About
| about = French medium tank '''{{PAGENAME}}'''
| other
| usage-1 = other M4 Shermans
| link-1 = M4 Sherman (Family)
| usage-2 = other uses
| link-2 = M4 (Disambiguation)
}}
{{Specs-Card
|code=fr_m4a4_cn_75_50
|images={{Specs-Card-Image|GarageImage_{{PAGENAME}}.jpg}}
}}

== Description ==

The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a rank {{Specs|rank}} French medium tank {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update 1.75 "La Résistance"]]. This tank is the equivalent to the British [[Sherman Firefly]], it trades its top-mounted HMG and additional armour for a better main gun: the SA50 L/57 cannon, which is the same gun as the [[AMX-13]], providing an interesting perspective to what's coming next in terms of firepower. That being said, the rest of this tank is 100% Sherman, with all its good and bad.

As with any Sherman design, this tank is quite iconic of this vehicle's family: tall profile, sloped frontal armour, front-mounted transmission, a radial engine from a plane, rounded turret with complex gun mantlet, it has got it all. The only difference from purely American Sherman is its long gun featuring a muzzle brake.

== General info ==
=== Survivability and armour ===
{{Specs-Tank-Armour}}

With its sloped frontal armour, many low-calibre shells will just bounce off the Sherman, any actual anti-tank gun you will face at this BR will easily go through this relatively thin armour at average combat ranges. Keep in mind not to linger too long is front of SPAAs as there is two very convenient flat plates in front of the driver and machine gunner. As for the turret, some angles may deflect shots but don't count on it. Side and rear armour plates are vulnerable to anything bigger than HMG rounds since they are only 38 mm thick. In sum, this armour is there to provide occasional protection from poorly aimed shots and autocannon fire, but nothing more.

'''Armour type:'''

* Rolled homogeneous armour (hull)
* Cast homogeneous armour (turret, gun mantlet, cupola, transmission carter, MG port)

{| class="wikitable"
|-
! Armour !! Front (Slope angle) !! Sides !! Rear !! Roof
|-
| Hull || 50.8 mm (56°) ''Front glacis'' 50.8 mm (8-17°) ''Viewports'' 34 + 25.4 mm (spherical) ''MG port'' 50.8 mm (3°) ''Radio antenna bulge'' 50.8 mm (cylindrical) ''Transmission housing'' || 38.1 mm 38.1 + 25.4 mm ''Ammo racks'' || 38.1 mm (21°) ''Top'' 38.1 mm ''Bottom'' || 50.8 mm (34°) ''Front glacis'' 19.5 mm ''Centre'' 25.4 mm ''Centre - Turret base'' 25.4 mm (7°) ''Engine bay - centre'' 19.5 mm (23°) ''Engine bay - sides''
|-
| Turret || 76 mm (7-65°) ''Turret front'' 63-100 mm (0-62°) ''Gun mantlet'' 51 mm (0-80°) ''Protruding gun mantlet'' || 51 mm (0-68°) || 51 mm (3-68°) || 25.4 mm
|-
| Cupola || colspan="3" style="text-align:center" | 63.5 mm (conical) || 63.5 mm ''Outer ring'' 25.4 mm ''Centre''
|}
'''Notes:'''

* Suspension wheels are 15 mm thick, while bogies are 10 mm thick and tracks are 20 mm thick.

=== Mobility ===
{{Specs-Tank-Mobility}}


The Sherman chassis, with all its good and bad takes this tank around the battlefield. It will carry its user wherever it likes but it takes some time to do so. Don't count on it for hasty retreats as both reverse speed and hull turning are slow when this tank is stopped. As long as it is not required to do back-flips and drifting, this chassis does the job.

{{tankMobility|abMinHp=620|rbMinHp=354}}

=== Modifications and economy ===
{{Specs-Economy}}

== Armaments ==
{{Specs-Tank-Armaments}}
=== Main armament ===
{{Specs-Tank-Weapon|1}}

{{main|SA50 L/57 (75 mm)}}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="100%"
|-
! colspan="5" | [[SA50 L/57 (75 mm)|75 mm SA50 L/57]] || colspan="5" | Turret rotation speed (°/s) || colspan="4" | Reloading rate (seconds)
|-
! Mode !! Capacity !! Vertical !! Horizontal !! Stabilizer
! Stock !! Upgraded !! Full !! Expert !! Aced
! Stock !! Full !! Expert !! Aced
|-
! ''Arcade''
| rowspan="2" | 62 || rowspan="2" | -10°/+25° || rowspan="2" | ±180° || rowspan="2" | N/A || 22.9 || 31.6 || 38.4 || 42.5 || 45.2 || rowspan="2" | 9.75 || rowspan="2" | 8.62 || rowspan="2" | 7.95 || rowspan="2" | 7.50
|-
! ''Realistic''
| 14.3 || 16.8 || 20.4 || 22.6 || 24.0
|-
|}
The Sherman's turret was not made for such a huge gun. this is why this tank has an elongated mantlet: to provide space for the long SA50 L/57 cannon. Originally, this tank was provided with a vertical stabiliser but it was disabled with this new gun mount as the strain was too great for this piece. Thus, unlike most Sherman, the French M4A4 SA50 does not have a stabilized gun, but what a gun it is ! This main armament performs a bit better than its British counter part, the [[Ordnance QF 17-pounder (76 mm)|QF 17-pounder]] as it has superior penetration rates at all ranges. With such a gun, sniping is an easy task as only [[Panther D|early Panthers]] will be able to defeat it (they still have weak spots, thought).

With such firepower, there is also concerns: as said above, this gun is not stabilized, which makes target acquisition quite slow. This specific Sherman's main weakness being its lack of top-mounted MG, leaving it mostly vulnerable to strafing planes.

==== Ammunition ====
{{:SA50 L/57 (75 mm)/Ammunition|POT-51A, OE Mle 1951, PCOT-51P}}

==== [[Ammo racks]] ====
[[File:Ammoracks_{{PAGENAME}}.jpg|right|thumb|x250px|[[Ammo racks]] of the {{PAGENAME}}]]

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! Full ammo
! 1st rack empty
! 2nd rack empty
! 3rd rack empty
! 4th rack empty
! 5th rack empty
! 6th rack empty
! Visual discrepancy
|-
|-
| '''62''' || 57 ''(+5)'' || 51 ''(+11)'' || 42 ''(+20)'' || 33 ''(+29)'' || 17 ''(+45)'' || 1 ''(+61)'' || No
|-
|}
'''Notes''':

* As they are modeled by sets of 3 or 4, shells disappear from the rack only after you've fired all shells in the set.
* Flank racks empty: 33 (+29) shells.
* The top rows of all 4 floor racks deplete successively, followed by all bottom rows.

=== Machine guns ===
{{Specs-Tank-Weapon|2}}

{{main|M1919A4 (7.62 mm)}}

The small calibre of the M1919A4 machine gun makes it largely ineffective against all armoured vehicles but the ones with an open compartment. It still can be used to ping targets as a rangefinding help or to mow down minor obstacles blocking your line of sight.

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="50%"
|-
! colspan="5" | [[M1919A4 (7.62 mm)|7.62 mm M1919A4]]
|-
! Mount !! Capacity (Belt) !! Fire rate !! Vertical !! Horizontal
|-
| Coaxial || 3,000 (250) || 500 || N/A || N/A
|-
|}

== Usage in battles ==

Experienced Sherman commanders will like this tank as it drastically increases this old boy's lethality. This tank is a very good representative of the medium tank line, with average mobility, sufficient armour and enjoyable firepower. Get into position, manage to avoid shots doing so and play any role an average tank can fit into: sniper, brawler, flanker, etc.

With good overall characteristics, this vehicle can play many roles on the battlefield. Here are some of them:

'''Brawler:'''

This tank has bad armour for the BR and the tank gives that away very clearly. Using its good turret traverse rate and close-quarter penetration rates, it should blast through almost anything it looks at. This tactic is very efficient in urban combat, where long range precision shots are not required. Do note that only reaction time and situation awareness can save you, as any main gun will make short work of you. Make sure to surprise your enemies while you avoid being targeted yourself. This tactic can deliver you some points if executed well. The most important thing about this tactic is to know when to hold back, as enemies will be aware of a rampaging Sherman in the area and will take advantage of it as soon as they get the opportunity. This is a high risk/high reward type of playstyle.

'''Sniper:'''

This scenario is the most advantagious for the M4A4 (SA50) because the vehicle is very suited to open maps. It can easily dominate the field (especially against tanks of a lower BR) when you employ the right tactics; keep a good distance from your enemy and use your own cannon to penetrate them from any range. Even if your armour is not the best, it should block most incoming rounds which will have lost most of their penetration power at those ranges. Make sure to reposition your vehicle after every 2-3 shots as you may get spotted by a tank destroyer, which is one of the few dangerous foes even on longer ranges. This tactic is even more effective when you are in a hull-down position: unlike Soviet vehicles, this tank has -10° of depression which you can make good use of.

Use your imagination: any tactic that doesn't rely on your armour is effective with the M4A4 (SA50). Supporting your teammates, ambushing oblivious enemies, many tactics are effective with this versatile tank.

=== Pros and cons ===


'''Pros:'''

* Excellent 75 mm gun, arguably better than the legendary 17-pounder due to the penetration and accuracy of the gun
* Outstanding penetration on the default APCBC at all ranges
* Unlike the Sherman Firefly, the SA50 gets 10 degrees of gun depression. Makes cresting ridgelines a good tactic
* Set of optics with 7.5x magnification
* The gun mantlet is both large and V-shaped. Can reliably stop or bounce incoming fire
* Due to all the pros listed above, the SA50 is one of the best pound-for-pound snipers and ridgeline shooters in the game

'''Cons:'''

* Bad overall armour layout: doesn't have any add-on tracks lining the sides like the Firefly
* Doesn't have access to any shells with explosive filler
* Higher-than-average reload time for the battle rating
* No roof mounted .50 cal HMG like on other Shermans at the same BR

== History ==

===Israeli M4 Shermans===
During the Cold War, the Israelis received stocks of [[M4|M4 Sherman]] tanks to equip their armoured force. They were obtained from the British, French, and scrap yards across Europe.<ref name="ZalogaIsraeli">Zaloga 2008, "Chapter 11: Cold War Sherman"</ref> Their designations on the Shermans were based on their armaments, leading to names such as the ''Sherman M-1'' with the [[M1 (76 mm)|76 mm M1 gun]], the ''Sherman M-3'' with the [[M3 (75 mm)|75 mm M3 gun]], and the ''Sherman M-4'' with the [[M4 (105 mm)|105 mm M4 howitzer]], regardless of Sherman hull and engine model types. Sherman tanks equipped with the horizontal volute suspension system (HVSS) were given the added name "Super" in the designation.<ref name="ShermanTankIsraeli">Jeeps_Guns_Tanks 2015, ''#34''</ref>

The M4 Shermans were seen as adequate in the early 1950s conflicts, but the Soviet arms trade with the neighboring Arab countries in the 1950s caused the Israelis to focus on uparming their existing Sherman inventory. Their program was a 1954 joint venture with France to arm the Sherman with the 75 mm SA50 gun from the [[AMX-13]] light tank. The modifications to hold the 75 mm SA50 gun required the extension of the Sherman turret front and rear to make room for the gun and add a counterweight for the heavier front weight. With the success of this modification, the Israelis chose the 75 mm SA50 gun to be the new armament for the M4 Sherman inventory. The first fifty tanks with the 75 mm SA50 guns were added into a M4A4 Sherman hull converted to use a R975 radial engine by the French, these tanks designated as the '''M-50 Sherman''' by Israel. These used a vertical-volute suspension system (VVSS), but the added weight of the gun inhibited the M-50's flotation and mobility, so this was shifted to use the HVSS and the Cummins diesel engine. These two variants are distinguished by engine type as the ''M-50 Continental'' and the ''M-50 Cummins.'' Other hulls outside the M4A4 were also used in the conversions.<ref name="ShermanTankIsraeli" />

===Combat usage===
The M-50 Sherman was used by Israeli during the 1956 Suez Crisis and the 1967 Six-Day War. The 1956 Suez Crisis against Egypt was a curious case as the Egyptians also send their M4 Sherman inventory through a similar uparm program by adding the [[M4A1 (FL10)|AMX-13 turret onto their M4 Shermans]], giving them their own usage of the 75 mm SA50 gun on the M4 Sherman tanks.<ref name="ZalogaIsraeli" />

Its use in the 1967 war was interleaved with the more powerful M-51 Sherman, a similar upgun program with the French 105 mm Modèle F1 from the [[AMX-30 (1972)|AMX-30]] tank.<ref name="ShermanTankIsraeli" /> Though the early M-50 Continentals were retired by 1972, the
the M-50 Cummins and M-51 served together up until the early 1980s, having to fight more modern Soviet tanks such as the [[T-55A|T-54/55]] tanks in the 1973 Yom-Kippur War. The Israeli gave away several of the M-50 Shermans to Lebanon to aid supporting militia groups in the Lebanese Civil War, in this conflict two were captured by Palestine, which they used against during the 1982 Lebanon War.<ref name="ChadM-50">Chad 2011</ref> About 50 M-50 were given to Chile in late 1980s, rearmed with an IMI-OTO 60 mm Hyper Velocity Medium Support gun, which they used until 1999 when they replaced them with the [[Leopard I|Leopard 1]] tanks. The Israelis cleared their stocks of M-50 and M-51 by this time, sold to collections, used as range targets, or repurposed to other usage such as engineer vehicles.

== Media ==


;Skins

* [https://live.warthunder.com/feed/camouflages/?vehicle=fr_m4a4_cn_75_50 Skins and camouflages for the {{PAGENAME}} from live.warthunder.com.]

;Videos
{{Youtube-gallery|OoKX7cxoQbM|'''M4A4 (SA50), French, Tier-3, Medium Tank / Israeli M50 Mk.I''' - ''Angry Nerd Gaming''}}

== See also ==


;Vehicles equipped with the same chassis

* [[M4 Sherman (Family)]]

== External links ==


* [[wt:en/news/5186-development-m4a4-sa50-the-desert-warrior-en|[Devblog] M4A4 (SA50) - The Desert Warrior]]
* [[wikipedia:Super_Sherman|[Wikipedia] Super Sherman]]
* [https://tanks-encyclopedia.com/coldwar/israel/m50-51_super-sherman.php <nowiki>[Tanks Encyclopedia]</nowiki> M-50]

===References===

;Citations
<references />

;Bibliography

* Chad. "Palestinian Armor." Military In the Middle East. WordPress, 12 Jan. 2011. Web. 30 Dec. 2017. [https://milinme.wordpress.com/2011/01/12/palestinian-armor/ Website] ([https://web.archive.org/web/20220511010339/https://milinme.wordpress.com/2011/01/12/palestinian-armor/ Archive]).
* Jeeps_Guns_Tanks. "#34 Israeli Shermans: The Most Powerful Shermans Ever To See Action." The Sherman Tank Site. WordPress, 20 Dec. 2015. Web. 30 Dec. 2017. [http://www.theshermantank.com/m50/israeli-shermans-the-most-powerful-shermans-ever-to-see-action/ Website] ([https://web.archive.org/web/20220511010517/http://www.theshermantank.com/m50/israeli-shermans-the-most-powerful-shermans-ever-to-see-action/ Archive]).
* Zaloga Steven. Armored Thunderbolt: The U.S. Army Sherman in World War II Stackpole Books, 2008

{{France medium tanks}}

F-4J Phantom II

2023-03-19T20:31:33Z

U83153598: Undo revision 159209 by U83153598 (talk)

{{About
| about = American jet fighter '''{{PAGENAME}}'''
| other
| usage-1 = the premium British version
| link-1 = F-4J(UK) Phantom II
| usage-2 = other versions
| link-2 = F-4 Phantom II (Family)
}}
{{Specs-Card
|code=
|images={{Specs-Card-Image|GarageImage_{{PAGENAME}}.jpg}}
}}

== Description ==

The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a rank {{Specs|rank}} American jet fighter {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update "Winged Lions"]].

The F-4J is one of the most famous variants of the Phantom used by the US Navy. The external appearance closely resembles the [[F-4C]], only missing the unusable IRST underneath the nose. It is a different aircraft from the [[F-4E]], its US Air Force counterpart: lacking the "Agile Eagle" wing slats and devastating Vulcan Gatling cannon, the F-4J is even less suitable for dogfights. It also does not have the F-4E's lethal ground attack arsenal of air-to-ground missiles and glide bombs. The F-4J makes up for these deficiencies by having a very powerful pulse-Doppler radar, long-range AIM-7F missiles, and a unique VTAS helmet-mounted sight for cueing its AIM-9G Sidewinder missiles. This is a Phantom for pilots who can turn technological superiority into air superiority, and it is good preparation for the succeeding [[F-14A Early|F-14A Tomcat]].

== General info ==
=== Flight performance ===
{{Specs-Avia-Flight}}


{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="70%"
! rowspan="2" | Characteristics
! colspan="2" | Max Speed (km/h at 12,192 m)
! rowspan="2" | Max altitude (metres)
! colspan="2" | Turn time (seconds)
! colspan="2" | Rate of climb (metres/second)
! rowspan="2" | Take-off run (metres)
|-
! AB !! RB !! AB !! RB !! AB !! RB
|-
! Stock
| 2,067 || 2,018 || rowspan="2" | 16,000 || 26.5 || 27.3 || 154.4 || 144.3 || rowspan="2" | 850
|-
! Upgraded
| 2,216 || 2,139 || 25.5 || 26.0 || 217.6 || 184.5
|-
|}

The F-4J's flight performance is underwhelming for its battle rating. It has about the same climb rate, top speed, and acceleration as the [[F-4E]], which are good, but the lack of Agile Eagle slats prevents it from turning well even in the short term, and it will lose dogfights to almost every contemporary aircraft. The British [[Phantom FGR.2|FGR.2]]/[[Phantom FG.1|FG.1]] Phantoms are similar to the F-4J in that they trade wing slats and an internal gun for a pulse-Doppler radar, but their turbofan engines give them much better acceleration in most flight profiles. Thus the F-4J is best played to the typical Phantom strengths of high speed and high altitude, avoiding dogfights whenever possible.

==== Details ====
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="50%"
|-
! colspan="6" | Features
|-
! Combat flaps !! Take-off flaps !! Landing flaps !! Air brakes !! Arrestor gear !! Drogue chute
|-
| ✓ || ✓ || ✓ || ✓ || ✓ || ✓ 
|-
|}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="50%"
|-
! colspan="7" | Limits
|-
! rowspan="2" | Wings (km/h)
! rowspan="2" | Gear (km/h)
! colspan="3" | Flaps (km/h)
! colspan="2" | Max Static G
|-
! Combat !! Take-off !! Landing !! + !! -
|-
| {{Specs|destruction|body}} || {{Specs|destruction|gear}} || 614 || 588 || 473 || ~11 || ~4
|-
|}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="4" | Optimal velocities (km/h)
|-
! Ailerons !! Rudder !! Elevators !! Radiator
|-
| < ___ || < ___ || < ___ || N/A
|-
|}

==== Engine performance ====
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="3" | Engine
! colspan="4" | Aircraft mass
|-
! colspan="2" | Engine name || Number
! colspan="2" | {{Annotation|Basic mass|Mass of the aircraft with pilot and engine oil, but no fuel or weapons load}} || colspan="2" | Wing loading (full fuel)
|-
| colspan="2" | General Electric J79-GE-10 || 2
| colspan="2" | 14,213 kg || colspan="2" | 408 kg/m2
|-
! colspan="3" | Engine characteristics
! colspan="3" | Mass with fuel (no weapons load) || rowspan="2" | Max Takeoff Weight
|-
! Weight (each) || colspan="2" | Type
! 9m fuel || 20m fuel || 30m fuel
|-
| 1,750 kg || colspan="2" | Afterburning axial-flow turbojet
| 15,972 kg || 18,055 kg || 20,078 kg || 26,420 kg
|-
! colspan="3" | {{Annotation|Maximum engine thrust @ 0 m (RB/SB)|The maximum thrust produced by each engine, while mounted in the aircraft. NOTE: Thrust varies significantly depending on speed & altitude.}}
! colspan="4" | Thrust to weight ratio @ 0 m (WEP)
|-
! Condition || 100% || WEP
! 9m fuel || 20m fuel || 30m fuel || MTOW
|-
| ''Stationary'' || 5,240 kgf || 8,090 kgf
|1.01|| 0.90 || 0.81 || 0.61
|-
| ''Optimal'' || 5,240 kgf (0 km/h) || 10,340 kgf (1,400 km/h)
|1.29|| 1.15 || 1.03 || 0.78
|-
|}

=== Survivability and armour ===
{{Specs-Avia-Armour}}


The F-4J has no armour protection whatsoever, which is standard for the battle rating. The airframe itself can take some punishment and the two engines configuration offers some redundancy in case of heavy damage, but the Phantom's large profile makes it easy to be hit by incoming gunfire.

=== Modifications and economy ===
{{Specs-Economy}}

== Armaments ==
{{Specs-Avia-Armaments}}
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="4" | [[Ballistic Computer]]
|-
! CCIP (Guns) !! CCIP (Rockets) !! CCIP (Bombs) !! CCRP (Bombs)
|-
| {{Tick}} || {{Tick}} || {{Tick}} || {{Tick}}
|-
|}
=== Offensive armament ===
{{Specs-Avia-Offensive}}


The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' is armed with:

* A choice between two presets:
** Without offensive armament
** 60 x countermeasures

Like all naval Phantom models, the F-4J lacks an internal gun and is forced to rely on optional gunpods. It does have countermeasures, but they are mounted in compartments on top of the engine nacelles instead of the wing pylon dispensers seen on the F-4E. This system has a capacity of only 60 countermeasures instead of 90, which further emphasizes the need of the F-4J to stay out of trouble.

=== Suspended armament ===
{{Specs-Avia-Suspended}}

{{main|LDGP Mk 81 (250 lb)|LDGP Mk 82 (500 lb)|M117 cone 45 (750 lb)|LDGP Mk 83 (1,000 lb)|Mk 79 Mod 1 incendiary}}
{{main|AIM-7E-2 Sparrow|AIM-7F Sparrow|AIM-9D Sidewinder|AIM-9G Sidewinder}}
{{main|FFAR Mighty Mouse|Zuni Mk32 Mod 0 ATAP|Mk 11 mod 5 (20 mm)}}

The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' can be outfitted with the following ordnance presets:

* 1 x 20 mm Mk 11 mod 5 cannon (750 rpg)
* 1 x 20 mm Mk 11 mod 5 cannon + 2 x AIM-9D Sidewinder missiles
* 4 x AIM-9D Sidewinder missiles
* 4 x AIM-9G Sidewinder missiles
* 6 x AIM-7E-2 Sparrow missiles
* 6 x AIM-7F Sparrow missiles
* 60 x Zuni Mk32 Mod 0 ATAP rockets
* 247 x FFAR Mighty Mouse rockets
* 24 x 250 lb LDGP Mk 81 bombs (6,000 lb total)
* 24 x 500 lb LDGP Mk 82 bombs (12,000 lb total)
* 15 x 750 lb M117 cone 45 bombs (11,250 lb total)
* 11 x 1,000 lb LDGP Mk 83 bombs (11,000 lb total)
* 3 x Mk 79 Mod 1 incendiary bombs

The F-4J's arsenal does not look as impressive as its air force counterparts. While it does have the large bomb and rocket capacity that the fighter-bomber Phantoms are known for, the F-4J cannot use any guided air-to-ground munitions, not even the basic MCLOS [[AGM-12C Bullpup]] available to the F-4C. Thus, it is not very suitable for CAS in Ground RB at a battle rating where it faces long-range radar SAMs and the closest things it has to a standoff capability are firing swarms of Zuni rockets with ballistic computer assistance.

As discussed before, the F-4J does not have an internal gun. Unfortunately, it has the worst gun options of any Phantom: while the F-4C and British Phantoms have Vulcans in their gunpods, the F-4J has a unique double-barrel 20 mm Mk 11 revolver cannon using 20 x 110 mm USN rounds instead. Although it has an impressive rate of fire at 4,000 rounds per minute for a non-rotary weapon (actually faster than the Soviet [[GSh-23L (23 mm)|GSh-23L]]), this is still inferior to the Vulcan's 6,000 rounds per minute. The gunpod also only weighs slightly less than the podded Vulcan and the performance penalties are still significant.

The AAM arsenal is better and where the F-4J's technology really shines. The stock AIM-9D Sidewinder missiles are decent options. They have a slightly lower overload and acceleration than the Air Force's [[AIM-9J Sidewinder]] and have a harder time in dogfights, but the longer burning rocket motor helps it hit targets at extended ranges. The top AIM-9G Sidewinder is largely identical but has an enormous seeker cone that allows the pilot to supply a generous amount of lead. The Sidewinders are assisted by the VTAS helmet-mounted sight, which allows the player to point the missile seeker in the direction of their mouse. The AIM-9G's wide seeker cone makes it easy to acquire targets this way without needing to manoeuvre the lumbering F-4J into a good position.

The real capstone of the F-4J's armament are its radar-guided Sparrow missiles, which greatly enjoy the look-down/shoot-down capabilities offered by its pulse-Doppler radar. The AIM-7E-2 dogfight Sparrows are nice options for medium range engagements because they have a good overload of 25 G, accelerate quickly, and start tracking almost immediately after launch. The new AIM-7F Sparrows are the F-4J's most dangerous weapon. They are heavier Sparrows with an improved rocket motor that burns for a long duration, offering twice the launch range of the AIM-7E-2. The new seeker enjoys a 40 km lock range as well. The AIM-7Fs are excellent for BVR combat and can potentially skewer enemies from across the map if they do not take serious defensive measures. Even at medium ranges, the rocket motor lets the AIM-7F continuously pull quite hard and hit manoeuvring targets. One downside of the AIM-7F is that the long burn duration makes it easy for enemies to spot it, either through the in-game missile warning icon or from seeing the exhaust trail. That said, most targets will notice the RWR warning from the lock first.

Up to four Sparrows can be carried on the fuselage pylons, but what is unique among Phantoms is that the F-4J can carry Sparrows on the inboard wing pylons too (at the cost of the Sidewinders mounted on those pylons), for a grand total of 6.

==== Custom loadout options ====
{| class="wikitable" width="100%" style="text-align:center"
|-
! !! width="4%" | 1 !! width="4%" | 2 !! width="4%" | 3 !! width="4%" | 4 !! width="4%" | 5 !! width="4%" | 6 !! width="4%" | 7 !! width="4%" | 8 !! width="4%" | 9 !! width="4%" | 10 !! width="4%" | 11
| rowspan="13" width="30%" | <div class="ttx-image">[[File:Hardpoints_F-4C_Phantom_II.png]]</div>
|-
! 20 mm Mk 11 mod 5 cannons (750 rpg)
| || || || || || 1 || || || || ||
|-
! 250 lb LDGP Mk 81 bombs
| 6 || 3 || || || || 6 || || || || 3 || 6
|-
! 500 lb LDGP Mk 82 bombs
| 6 || 3 || || || || 6 || || || || 3 || 6
|-
! 750 lb M117 cone 45 bombs
| 3 || 3 || || || || 3 || || || || 3 || 3
|-
! 1,000 lb LDGP Mk 83 bombs
| 2 || 2 || || || || 3 || || || || 2 || 2
|-
! Mk 79 Mod 1 incendiary bombs
| || 1 || || || || 1 || || || || 1 ||
|-
! FFAR Mighty Mouse rockets
| 38 || 57 || || || || 57 || || || || 57 || 38
|-
! Zuni Mk32 Mod 0 ATAP rockets
| 12 || 12 || || || || 12 || || || || 12 || 12
|-
! AIM-7E-2 Sparrow missiles
| || 1*† || || 1† || 1† || || 1† || 1† || || 1*† ||
|-
! AIM-7F Sparrow missiles
| || 1*† || || 1† || 1† || || 1† || 1† || || 1*† ||
|-
! AIM-9D Sidewinder missiles
| || || 1, 2* || || || || || || 1, 2* || ||
|-
! AIM-9G Sidewinder missiles
| || || 2* || || || || || || 2* || ||
|-
| colspan="12" | Maximum permissible weight imbalance: 1,500 kg
|-
| colspan="13" | * Sparrows on hardpoints 2/10 cannot be carried in conjunction with Sidewinders on hardpoints 3/9 respectively † AIM-7E-2 and AIM-7F Sparrow missiles cannot be mixed, only one type may be equipped across hardpoints
|-
|}

== Usage in battles ==


The F-4J has the best BVR capabilities of any Rank VII Phantom because of its AN/APG-59 pulse-Doppler radar and long-range AIM-7F Sparrow missiles. It pays for this by having the worst performance and dogfight capabilities of any Rank VII Phantom, not even having the reprieve of podded Vulcans and turbofan engines available to the British Phantoms. As such, it's best for the F-4J to identify and destroy targets before they get close enough to enter a dogfight.

One approach is to climb to high altitudes, pick up speed, and look for enemies attempting to do the same thing. The F-4J can often win BVR jousts against contemporary aircraft like the [[MiG-23MLD]] because of the range and capacity of the AIM-7F. When high-altitude enemies are dispatched or forced to lower altitudes, the F-4J can use its LD/SD capabilities to snipe targets below. VTAS can also be used to slave the radar to acquire targets more quickly than through the multi-function menu or keyboard binds. However the F-4J can be matched or outclassed in BVR by Rank VIII fighters like the [[F-4EJ Kai Phantom II|F-4EJ Kai]], [[MiG-29]] (with [[R-27ER]] specifically), [[F-16 (Family)|F-16 ADF or MLU]], and [[F-14A Early|F-14A]]. The LD/SD capability is also not perfect and some low-altitude opponents cannot be acquired due to excessive ground clutter or bad luck, so be prepared to have a backup plan.

Another approach is to play the F-4J more like the F-4E and cruise at lower altitudes, maintaining speed and slinging barrages of missiles at foes. Although the pulse-Doppler radar does not help much here, the AIM-7Fs or AIM-7E-2s are still deadly. The AIM-9Gs can be put to good use because their extended range is nice for sneak attacks.

Dogfights should be avoided, but if forced into manoeuvring combat, the HMS can be quite helpful. It can lock Sidewinders onto targets that are not near the F-4J's nose, which compensates somewhat for the aircraft's poor AoA and nose authority. This can surprise enemy fighters who are pulling or rolling hard. However, the AIM-9D/G are still only 18 G missiles and lack the manoeuvrability of something like the 30 G [[R-60]] or 35 G [[R.550|Magic 1]], so just because VTAS can lock wild off-bore shots does not mean that the Sidewinder can actually hit them once launched. VTAS will also take some practice to use effectively because it is easy to lock unintended targets like teammates or the sun when looking around with the missile seeker active.

It is often better to leave the gunpod behind because the F-4J needs all the speed and climb performance it can get and the gun does not offer much utility to outweigh its penalties. It is a mistake for the F-4J to get involved in close-range manoeuvring combat where the gun would be useful in the first place and the airframe's poor agility does not lend itself for pulling lead on targets. It is more practical to use the Sparrows in head-ons and use the AIM-9Gs with VTAS assistance in close quarters.

=== Pros and cons ===


'''Pros:'''

* Equipped with a pulse-Doppler radar, allowing targets close to the ground to be tracked and engaged
* Large selection of unguided munitions for ground attack
* Has a helmet mounted sight to launch AIM-9Gs off-boresight and slew the radar
* Good air-to-air missile combinations
** Can carry up to six powerful AIM-7F Sparrow missiles, which have a long burn time resulting in great range and sustained manoeuvrability
** AIM-9G IR missiles have good range and decent 18G overload capability

'''Cons:'''

* Large target
* No guided air-to-ground weaponry
* No internal gun, external gunpod negatively affects performance
* Has poor manoeuvrability as it lacks the F-4E's leading-edge slats
* Top speed and acceleration, while decent, isn't nearly enough to outrun the majority of opponents
* Lower countermeasure capacity than other Phantoms

== History ==

The F-4J Phantom is an upgrade of the previous F-4B variant, designed with the intent to improve the Phantom's air-to-air combat capabilities, based on lessons learned in combat during the Vietnam War. These upgrades included a more advanced radar (the AN/APG-59 pulse-Doppler radar), an improved fire control system, upgraded engines, increased options for secondary ordnance, while the infrared sensor under the nose was omitted. Over 500 F-4Js were built from 1966, and saw action at the end of the Vietnam War during Operation Linebacker in 1972. Lt. Randy "Duke" Cunningham and Radar-Intercept Officer Lt. Junior-Grade Willy Driscoll became aces while flying an F-4J, after shooting downing three MiG-17s on May 10, 1972.

== Media ==


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F-4J Phantom II

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== Description ==

The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a rank {{Specs|rank}} American jet fighter {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update "Winged Lions"]].

The F-4J is one of the most famous variants of the Phantom used by the US Navy. The external appearance closely resembles the [[F-4C]], only missing the unusable IRST underneath the nose. It is a different aircraft from the [[F-4E]], its US Air Force counterpart: lacking the "Agile Eagle" wing slats and devastating Vulcan Gatling cannon, the F-4J is even less suitable for dogfights. It also does not have the F-4E's lethal ground attack arsenal of air-to-ground missiles and glide bombs. The F-4J makes up for these deficiencies by having a very powerful pulse-Doppler radar, long-range AIM-7F missiles, and a unique VTAS helmet-mounted sight for cueing its AIM-9G Sidewinder missiles. This is a Phantom for pilots who can turn technological superiority into air superiority, and it is good preparation for the succeeding [[F-14A Early|F-14A Tomcat]].

== General info ==
=== Flight performance ===
{{Specs-Avia-Flight}}


{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="70%"
! rowspan="2" | Characteristics
! colspan="2" | Max Speed (km/h at 12,192 m)
! rowspan="2" | Max altitude (metres)
! colspan="2" | Turn time (seconds)
! colspan="2" | Rate of climb (metres/second)
! rowspan="2" | Take-off run (metres)
|-
! AB !! RB !! AB !! RB !! AB !! RB
|-
! Stock
| 2,067 || 2,018 || rowspan="2" | 16,000 || 26.5 || 27.3 || 154.4 || 144.3 || rowspan="2" | 850
|-
! Upgraded
| 2,216 || 2,139 || 25.5 || 26.0 || 217.6 || 184.5
|-
|}

The F-4J's flight performance is underwhelming for its battle rating. It has about the same climb rate, top speed, and acceleration as the [[F-4E]], which are good, but the lack of Agile Eagle slats prevents it from turning well even in the short term, and it will lose dogfights to almost every contemporary aircraft. The British [[Phantom FGR.2|FGR.2]]/[[Phantom FG.1|FG.1]] Phantoms are similar to the F-4J in that they trade wing slats and an internal gun for a pulse-Doppler radar, but their turbofan engines give them much better acceleration in most flight profiles. Thus the F-4J is best played to the typical Phantom strengths of high speed and high altitude, avoiding dogfights whenever possible.

==== Details ====
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="50%"
|-
! colspan="6" | Features
|-
! Combat flaps !! Take-off flaps !! Landing flaps !! Air brakes !! Arrestor gear !! Drogue chute
|-
| ✓ || ✓ || ✓ || ✓ || ✓ || ✓ 
|-
|}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="50%"
|-
! colspan="7" | Limits
|-
! rowspan="2" | Wings (km/h)
! rowspan="2" | Gear (km/h)
! colspan="3" | Flaps (km/h)
! colspan="2" | Max Static G
|-
! Combat !! Take-off !! Landing !! + !! -
|-
| {{Specs|destruction|body}} || {{Specs|destruction|gear}} || 614 || 588 || 473 || ~11 || ~4
|-
|}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="4" | Optimal velocities (km/h)
|-
! Ailerons !! Rudder !! Elevators !! Radiator
|-
| < ___ || < ___ || < ___ || N/A
|-
|}

==== Engine performance ====
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="3" | Engine
! colspan="4" | Aircraft mass
|-
! colspan="2" | Engine name || Number
! colspan="2" | {{Annotation|Basic mass|Mass of the aircraft with pilot and engine oil, but no fuel or weapons load}} || colspan="2" | Wing loading (full fuel)
|-
| colspan="2" | General Electric J79-GE-10 || 2
| colspan="2" | 14,213 kg || colspan="2" | 408 kg/m2
|-
! colspan="3" | Engine characteristics
! colspan="3" | Mass with fuel (no weapons load) || rowspan="2" | Max Takeoff Weight
|-
! Weight (each) || colspan="2" | Type
! 9m fuel || 20m fuel || 30m fuel
|-
| 1,750 kg || colspan="2" | Afterburning axial-flow turbojet
| 15,972 kg || 18,055 kg || 20,078 kg || 26,420 kg
|-
! colspan="3" | {{Annotation|Maximum engine thrust @ 0 m (RB/SB)|The maximum thrust produced by each engine, while mounted in the aircraft. NOTE: Thrust varies significantly depending on speed & altitude.}}
! colspan="4" | Thrust to weight ratio @ 0 m (WEP)
|-
! Condition || 100% || WEP
! 9m fuel || 20m fuel || 30m fuel || MTOW
|-
| ''Stationary'' || 5,240 kgf || 8,090 kgf
|1.01|| 0.90 || 0.81 || 0.61
|-
| ''Optimal'' || 5,240 kgf (0 km/h) || 10,340 kgf (1,400 km/h)
|1.29|| 1.15 || 1.03 || 0.78
|-
|}

=== Survivability and armour ===
{{Specs-Avia-Armour}}


The F-4J has no armour protection whatsoever, which is standard for the battle rating. The airframe itself can take some punishment and the two engines configuration offers some redundancy in case of heavy damage, but the Phantom's large profile makes it easy to be hit by incoming gunfire.

=== Modifications and economy ===
{{Specs-Economy}}

== Armaments ==
{{Specs-Avia-Armaments}}
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="4" | [[Ballistic Computer]]
|-
! CCIP (Guns) !! CCIP (Rockets) !! CCIP (Bombs) !! CCRP (Bombs)
|-
| {{Tick}} || {{Tick}} || {{Tick}} || {{Tick}}
|-
|}
=== Offensive armament ===
{{Specs-Avia-Offensive}}


The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' is armed with:

* A choice between two presets:
** Without offensive armament
** 60 x countermeasures

Like all naval Phantom models, the F-4J lacks an internal gun and is forced to rely on optional gunpods. It does have countermeasures, but they are mounted in compartments on top of the engine nacelles instead of the wing pylon dispensers seen on the F-4E. This system has a capacity of only 60 countermeasures instead of 90, which further emphasizes the need of the F-4J to stay out of trouble.

=== Suspended armament ===
{{Specs-Avia-Suspended}}

{{main|LDGP Mk 81 (250 lb)|LDGP Mk 82 (500 lb)|M117 cone 45 (750 lb)|LDGP Mk 83 (1,000 lb)|Mk 79 Mod 1 incendiary}}
{{main|AIM-7E-2 Sparrow|AIM-7F Sparrow|AIM-9D Sidewinder|AIM-9G Sidewinder}}
{{main|FFAR Mighty Mouse|Zuni Mk32 Mod 0 ATAP|Mk 11 mod 5 (20 mm)}}

The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' can be outfitted with the following ordnance presets:

* 1 x 20 mm Mk 11 mod 5 cannon (750 rpg)
* 1 x 20 mm Mk 11 mod 5 cannon + 2 x AIM-9D Sidewinder missiles
* 4 x AIM-9D Sidewinder missiles
* 4 x AIM-9G Sidewinder missiles
* 6 x AIM-7E-2 Sparrow missiles
* 6 x AIM-7F Sparrow missiles
* 60 x Zuni Mk32 Mod 0 ATAP rockets
* 247 x FFAR Mighty Mouse rockets
* 24 x 250 lb LDGP Mk 81 bombs (6,000 lb total)
* 24 x 500 lb LDGP Mk 82 bombs (12,000 lb total)
* 15 x 750 lb M117 cone 45 bombs (11,250 lb total)
* 11 x 1,000 lb LDGP Mk 83 bombs (11,000 lb total)
* 3 x Mk 79 Mod 1 incendiary bombs

The F-4J's arsenal does not look as impressive as its air force counterparts. While it does have the large bomb and rocket capacity that the fighter-bomber Phantoms are known for, the F-4J cannot use any guided air-to-ground munitions, not even the basic MCLOS [[AGM-12C Bullpup]] available to the F-4C. Thus, it is not very suitable for CAS in Ground RB at a battle rating where it faces long-range radar SAMs and the closest things it has to a standoff capability are firing swarms of Zuni rockets with ballistic computer assistance.

As discussed before, the F-4J does not have an internal gun. Unfortunately, it has the worst gun options of any Phantom: while the F-4C and British Phantoms have Vulcans in their gunpods, the F-4J has a unique double-barrel 20 mm Mk 11 revolver cannon using 20 x 110 mm USN rounds instead. Although it has an impressive rate of fire at 4,000 rounds per minute for a non-rotary weapon (actually faster than the Soviet [[GSh-23L (23 mm)|GSh-23L]]), this is still inferior to the Vulcan's 6,000 rounds per minute. The gunpod also only weighs slightly less than the podded Vulcan and the performance penalties are still significant.

The AAM arsenal is better and where the F-4J's technology really shines. The stock AIM-9D Sidewinder missiles are decent options. They have a slightly lower overload and acceleration than the Air Force's [[AIM-9J Sidewinder]] and have a harder time in dogfights, but the longer burning rocket motor helps it hit targets at extended ranges. The top AIM-9G Sidewinder is largely identical but has an enormous seeker cone that allows the pilot to supply a generous amount of lead. The Sidewinders are assisted by the VTAS helmet-mounted sight, which allows the player to point the missile seeker in the direction of their mouse. The AIM-9G's wide seeker cone makes it easy to acquire targets this way without needing to manoeuvre the lumbering F-4J into a good position.

The real capstone of the F-4J's armament are its radar-guided Sparrow missiles, which greatly enjoy the look-down/shoot-down capabilities offered by its pulse-Doppler radar. The AIM-7E-2 dogfight Sparrows are nice options for medium range engagements because they have a good overload of 25 G, accelerate quickly, and start tracking almost immediately after launch. The new AIM-7F Sparrows are the F-4J's most dangerous weapon. They are heavier Sparrows with an improved rocket motor that burns for a long duration, offering twice the launch range of the AIM-7E-2. The new seeker enjoys a 40 km lock range as well. The AIM-7Fs are excellent for BVR combat and can potentially skewer enemies from across the map if they do not take serious defensive measures. Even at medium ranges, the rocket motor lets the AIM-7F continuously pull quite hard and hit manoeuvring targets. One downside of the AIM-7F is that the long burn duration makes it easy for enemies to spot it, either through the in-game missile warning icon or from seeing the exhaust trail. That said, most targets will notice the RWR warning from the lock first.

Up to four Sparrows can be carried on the fuselage pylons, but what is unique among Phantoms is that the F-4J can carry Sparrows on the inboard wing pylons too (at the cost of the Sidewinders mounted on those pylons), for a grand total of 6.

==== Custom loadout options ====
{| class="wikitable" width="100%" style="text-align:center"
|-
! !! width="4%" | 1 !! width="4%" | 2 !! width="4%" | 3 !! width="4%" | 4 !! width="4%" | 5 !! width="4%" | 6 !! width="4%" | 7 !! width="4%" | 8 !! width="4%" | 9 !! width="4%" | 10 !! width="4%" | 11
| rowspan="13" width="30%" | <div class="ttx-image">[[File:Hardpoints_F-4C_Phantom_II.png]]</div>
|-
! 20 mm Mk 11 mod 5 cannons (750 rpg)
| || || || || || 1 || || || || ||
|-
! 250 lb LDGP Mk 81 bombs
| 6 || 3 || || || || 6 || || || || 3 || 6
|-
! 500 lb LDGP Mk 82 bombs
| 6 || 3 || || || || 6 || || || || 3 || 6
|-
! 750 lb M117 cone 45 bombs
| 3 || 3 || || || || 3 || || || || 3 || 3
|-
! 1,000 lb LDGP Mk 83 bombs
| 2 || 2 || || || || 3 || || || || 2 || 2
|-
! Mk 79 Mod 1 incendiary bombs
| || 1 || || || || 1 || || || || 1 ||
|-
! FFAR Mighty Mouse rockets
| 38 || 57 || || || || 57 || || || || 57 || 38
|-
! Zuni Mk32 Mod 0 ATAP rockets
| 12 || 12 || || || || 12 || || || || 12 || 12
|-
! AIM-7E-2 Sparrow missiles
| || 1*† || || 1† || 1† || || 1† || 1† || || 1*† ||
|-
! AIM-7F Sparrow missiles
| || 1*† || || 1† || 1† || || 1† || 1† || || 1*† ||
|-
! AIM-9D Sidewinder missiles
| || || 1, 2* || || || || || || 1, 2* || ||
|-
! AIM-9G Sidewinder missiles
| || || 2* || || || || || || 2* || ||
|-
| colspan="12" | Maximum permissible weight imbalance: 1,500 kg
|-
| colspan="13" | * Sparrows on hardpoints 2/10 cannot be carried in conjunction with Sidewinders on hardpoints 3/9 respectively † AIM-7E-2 and AIM-7F Sparrow missiles cannot be mixed, only one type may be equipped across hardpoints
|-
|}

== Usage in battles ==


The F-4J has the best BVR capabilities of any Rank VII Phantom because of its AN/APG-59 pulse-Doppler radar and long-range AIM-7F Sparrow missiles. It pays for this by having the worst performance and dogfight capabilities of any Rank VII Phantom, not even having the reprieve of podded Vulcans and turbofan engines available to the British Phantoms. As such, it's best for the F-4J to identify and destroy targets before they get close enough to enter a dogfight.

One approach is to climb to high altitudes, pick up speed, and look for enemies attempting to do the same thing. The F-4J can often win BVR jousts against contemporary aircraft like the [[MiG-23MLD]] because of the range and capacity of the AIM-7F. When high-altitude enemies are dispatched or forced to lower altitudes, the F-4J can use its LD/SD capabilities to snipe targets below. VTAS can also be used to slave the radar to acquire targets more quickly than through the multi-function menu or keyboard binds. However the F-4J can be matched or outclassed in BVR by Rank VIII fighters like the [[F-4EJ Kai Phantom II|F-4EJ Kai]], [[MiG-29]] (with [[R-27ER]] specifically), [[F-16 (Family)|F-16 ADF or MLU]], and [[F-14A Early|F-14A]]. The LD/SD capability is also not perfect and some low-altitude opponents cannot be acquired due to excessive ground clutter or bad luck, so be prepared to have a backup plan.

Another approach is to play the F-4J more like the F-4E and cruise at lower altitudes, maintaining speed and slinging barrages of missiles at foes. Although the pulse-Doppler radar does not help much here, the AIM-7Fs or AIM-7E-2s are still deadly. The AIM-9Gs can be put to good use because their extended range is nice for sneak attacks.

Dogfights should be avoided, but if forced into manoeuvring combat, the HMS can be quite helpful. It can lock Sidewinders onto targets that are not near the F-4J's nose, which compensates somewhat for the aircraft's poor AoA and nose authority. This can surprise enemy fighters who are pulling or rolling hard. However, the AIM-9D/G are still only 18 G missiles and lack the manoeuvrability of something like the 30 G [[R-60]] or 35 G [[R.550|Magic 1]], so just because VTAS can lock wild off-bore shots does not mean that the Sidewinder can actually hit them once launched. VTAS will also take some practice to use effectively because it is easy to lock unintended targets like teammates or the sun when looking around with the missile seeker active.

It is often better to leave the gunpod behind because the F-4J needs all the speed and climb performance it can get and the gun does not offer much utility to outweigh its penalties. It is a mistake for the F-4J to get involved in close-range manoeuvring combat where the gun would be useful in the first place and the airframe's poor agility does not lend itself for pulling lead on targets. It is more practical to use the Sparrows in head-ons and use the AIM-9Gs with VTAS assistance in close quarters.

=== Pros and cons ===


'''Pros:'''

* Equipped with a pulse-Doppler radar, allowing targets close to the ground to be tracked and engaged
* Large selection of unguided munitions for ground attack
* Has a helmet mounted sight to launch AIM-9Gs off-boresight and slew the radar
* Good air-to-air missile combinations
** Can carry up to six powerful AIM-7F Sparrow missiles, which have a long burn time resulting in great range and sustained manoeuvrability
** AIM-9G IR missiles have good range and decent 18G overload capability

'''Cons:'''

* Large target
* No guided air-to-ground weaponry
* No internal gun, external gunpod negatively affects performance
* Has poor manoeuvrability as it lacks the F-4E's leading-edge slats
* Top speed and acceleration, while decent, isn't nearly enough to outrun the majority of opponents
* Lower countermeasure capacity than other Phantoms

== History ==

The F-4J Phantom is an upgrade of the previous F-4B variant, designed with the intent to improve the Phantom's air-to-air combat capabilities, based on lessons learned in combat during the Vietnam War. These upgrades included a more advanced radar (the AN/APG-59 pulse-Doppler radar), an improved fire control system, upgraded engines, increased options for secondary ordnance, while the infrared sensor under the nose was omitted. Over 500 F-4Js were built from 1966, and saw action at the end of the Vietnam War during Operation Linebacker in 1972. Lt. Randy "Duke" Cunningham and Radar-Intercept Officer Lt. Junior-Grade Willy Driscoll became aces while flying an F-4J, after shooting downing three MiG-17s on May 10, 1972.

== Media ==


;Skins

* [https://live.warthunder.com/feed/camouflages/?vehicle=f-4j Skins and camouflages for the {{PAGENAME}} from live.warthunder.com.]

== See also ==

''Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:''

* ''reference to the series of the aircraft;''
* ''links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.''

== External links ==

''Paste links to sources and external resources, such as:''

* ''topic on the official game forum;''
* ''other literature.''

{{AirManufacturer McDonnell}}
{{USA jet aircraft}}

M.B.174A-3

2023-03-09T20:39:43Z

U83153598: more grammatical errors

{{Specs-Card
|code=mb_174_a3
|images={{Specs-Card-Image|GarageImage_{{PAGENAME}}.jpg|ArtImage_{{PAGENAME}}.png}}
}}

== Description ==

The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a rank {{Specs|rank}} French bomber {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update 1.73 "Vive la France"]].

The M.B.174 is a fast bomber made for ground attack. Like a twin-engine strike aircraft, it is able to drop bombs with high accuracy in a ground attack role and use its speed to get away from any return fire.

== General info ==
=== Flight performance ===
{{Specs-Avia-Flight}}

The M.B.174A-3 is rather manoeuvrable flying in a straight line since the aircraft can roll pretty well and has acceptable elevator motion. When in a combat situation, this changes considerably as the plane is difficult to handle in dives and turns. Trying to approach a bombing target in a diving turn, the M.B.174 is very slow to turn around and the bow keeps pointing way off the line of flight. Even using full rudder control, the bow of the plane just does not follow the turn, making it likely that the bombs will miss their target. In addition, the M.B.174 does not conserve energy well and trying to climb will reduce speed to under 200 km/h, in which case the pilot can expect to be an easy score for any enemy.

But like all aircraft at this BR, the best solution for air combat is not getting caught in the first place. The M.B.174 however can run away better than its peers because it is blazing fast; it easily outruns all but the fastest fighters and any strike aircraft trying to intercept you bites the dust in a chase. The speed is definitely something which the M.B.174 has over other single-engined strike aircraft, as it has two 1,073 HP engines which easily outpower anything at the BR it is in.

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="70%"
! rowspan="2" | Characteristics
! colspan="2" | Max Speed (km/h at 3,780 m)
! rowspan="2" | Max altitude (metres)
! colspan="2" | Turn time (seconds)
! colspan="2" | Rate of climb (metres/second)
! rowspan="2" | Take-off run (metres)
|-
! AB !! RB !! AB !! RB !! AB !! RB
|-
! Stock
| 511 || 497 || rowspan="2" | {{Specs|ceiling}} || 19.9 || 20.6 || 8.2 || 8.2 || rowspan="2" | 450
|-
! Upgraded
| 566 || 537 || 18.7 || 19.0 || 16.4 || 11.6
|-
|}

==== Details ====
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="50%"
|-
! colspan="5" | Features
|-
! Combat flaps !! Take-off flaps !! Landing flaps !! Air brakes !! Arrestor gear
|-
| ✓ || ✓ || ✓ || X || X 
|-
|}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="50%"
|-
! colspan="7" | Limits
|-
! rowspan="2" | Wings (km/h)
! rowspan="2" | Gear (km/h)
! colspan="3" | Flaps (km/h)
! colspan="2" | Max Static G
|-
! Combat !! Take-off !! Landing !! + !! -
|-
| {{Specs|destruction|body}} || {{Specs|destruction|gear}} || 330 || 317 || 260 || ~12 || ~5
|-
|}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="4" | Optimal velocities (km/h)
|-
! Ailerons !! Rudder !! Elevators !! Radiator
|-
| < 325 || < 200 || < 480 || > 180
|-
|}

=== Survivability and armour ===
{{Specs-Avia-Armour}}


* 8 mm Steel plate behind the pilot's head.

=== Modifications and economy ===
{{Specs-Economy}}
The stock configuration gives you largely ineffective 50 kg bombs, so researching the 500 kg bomb is imperative to the plane's success.

== Armaments ==
{{Specs-Avia-Armaments}}
=== Offensive armament ===
{{Specs-Avia-Offensive}}

{{main|MAC 1934 (7.5 mm)}}

The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' is armed with:

* 2 x 7.5 mm MAC 1934 machine guns, wing-mounted (500 rpg = 1,000 total)

The two machine guns are arranged with one mounted in each wing. Each is armed with the same amount of ammunition, which means that all guns will fire with each other until empty. The problem with using your frontal armament is that you will have a hard time lining up on your target considering the sluggish turn time and the rapid energy bleeding which comes with moving your plane in ways it was never designed for: hitting anything with your two rifle-calibre MGs is also hard because the guns are mounted on the wings, very far away from the centre of the aircraft, making gun convergence a huge factor in aiming.

=== Suspended armament ===
{{Specs-Avia-Suspended}}

{{main|G.A. MMN. 50 (50 kg)|No.2 (500 kg)}}

The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' can be outfitted with the following ordnance:

* 8 x 50 kg G.A. MMN. 50 bombs (400 kg total)
* 1 x 500 kg No.2 bomb (500 kg total)

=== Defensive armament ===
{{Specs-Avia-Defensive}}

{{main|MAC 1934 (7.5 mm)}}

The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' is defended by:

* 2 x 7.5 mm MAC 1934 machine guns, dorsal turret (400 rpg = 800 total)
* 3 x 7.5 mm MAC 1934 machine guns, ventral turret (500 rpg = 1,500 total)

The defensive armament of two MGs on the back of the cockpit does not amount to much, although if you can move your plane into directly lining up with the enemy on your six you can unleash the three bottom-mounted MGs too which might suffice in taking down the pursuer.

== Usage in battles ==


With its heaviest and most effective bombload being a single 500 kg bomb held by bomb locks, the M.B.174 can effectively dive bomb. The recommended strategy is basically to dive on targets to secure a kill with a low number of high-weight bombs; a playstyle similar to the [[Ju 87 B-2]] or the [[TBF-1C]]. The only limitation to this strategy is that you cannot drop bombs while making a diving turn due to your twin-engine configuration. However, considering those engines provide you with a near-unmatched speed this is a worthwhile tradeoff.

Tactics should be focused on bombing ground targets with a straight line approach and a clear exit away from the enemy. The 50 kg bombs are not effective against any ground target. In attack mode, the 7.5 mm MG don't make much of a dent on enemies, and since ammo runs out quickly, any attack must be carefully planned. Attacking bombers at higher altitude is not advisable. Fighters busy in turn fights can be attacked if you have an altitude advantage and a line of exit. After bombing the target, by turning away from the enemy and descending at the same time you will probably be able either to outrun or keep up with most of the enemy fighters at this BR.

In conclusion; the M.B.174 is a twin-engine strike aircraft disguised as a bomber, with a superb speed and reasonable manoeuverability. It however lacks sufficient defensive armament and the frontal armament is only effective against unaware open-topped vehicles. The bomb load is comparable to other strike aircraft of the BR, though the stock loadout is largely ineffective. All things considered it is definitely a good plane to have in your ground RB lineup, considering it can drop the 500 kg bomb pretty precisely and evade any AA or pursuers after securing a kill. In air battles, the plane is largely overshadowed in the bomber role by the [[N.C.223.3]] and in the twin-engine strike role by the [[Potez 631]].

=== Manual Engine Control ===
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="7" | MEC elements
|-
! rowspan="2" | Mixer
! rowspan="2" | Pitch
! colspan="3" | Radiator
! rowspan="2" | Supercharger
! rowspan="2" | Turbocharger
|-
! Oil !! Water !! Type
|-
| Controllable || Controllable Not auto controlled || Not controllable Not auto controlled || Controllable Not auto controlled || Combined || Not controllable 1 gear || Not controllable
|-
|}

=== Pros and cons ===


'''Pros:'''

* Superb speed for a bomber
* Extremely maneuvreable for a bomber
* Has offensive armament which despite its weakness makes it relatively unique to other bombers
* Can drop a very forgiving bomb with high precision in a ground attack role

'''Cons:'''

* Extremely weak stock payload
* Poor defensive armament
* Has little purpose in air battles

== History ==


Evolution of the MB.170, this new model definitively abandoned the belly turret and the crew's typical layout was revised. The cockpit and front-end glazing were again modified, however, the MB.170-02's tail was retained. Intended specifically for reconnaissance with a secondary bombing mission, the prototype took the air on 5 January 1939 in Villacoublay piloted by René Le Bail with 14M-20/21 Gnome & Rhône engines of 1,030 hp. Six pre-production aircraft were ordered to activate the development of the twin-engine aircraft, but this aircraft proved to be very fast and easy to fly from the first tests, manoeuvrable even at very high altitude and an order for 50 serial copies was notified on 1 February 1939. Intended to replace the Potez 63.11 of the war, they were to receive 14M-48/49 Gnome & Rhône engines of 1,100 hp, but the first tests carried out with the pre-series aircraft revealed cooling problems. It was, therefore, necessary to reduce the diameter of the propeller pans in order to increase the airflow on the cylinder heads. Finally, just before the commissioning it was decided to increase the armament, which was finally attached to two 7.5 mm MAC 1934 machine guns in the wings and three mounted in removable ventral fairings pulling forward, a dorsal machine gun and a ventral weapon of the same type pulling backwards. The belly compartment allowed 400 kg of bombs to be carried, but in its initial version, its capacity was in fact limited to 8 x 40 kg bombs which was clearly insufficient in most operations. The production was launched in November 1939 at the SNCASO plant in Bordeaux-Mérignac, but because of the modifications made to the planes during their development the first 20 MB.174 were accepted by the air force only in February 1940 and put into service in March 1940 to the strategic reconnaissance group GR II/33. 56 copies were delivered until June 22, 1940. In operations, this twin-engine aircraft was able to outrun the best German fighters then in service and only 4 MB.174 were lost to the enemy during the Battle of France.

During Battle of France on May 1940, the famous French writer Antoine de Saint-Exupery flew a Bloch M. B 174 with the Groupe de reconnaissance II/33 in a squadron of Armée de l'Air. On 23rd May of 1940, he made a recon mission above the city of Arras during the German invasion and his plane was heavily damaged by Flak and attacked by fighters however he managed to get back at his airfield and save his crew. Due to this heroic action, he was awarded of Croix de Guerre (Iron Cross) on 2nd June 1940. This mission inspired him a book named Pilote de Guerre. (Flight to Arras)

== Media ==


;Skins

* [https://live.warthunder.com/feed/camouflages/?vehicle=mb_174_a3 Skins and camouflages for the {{PAGENAME}} from live.warthunder.com.]

== See also ==
''Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:''

* ''reference to the series of the aircraft;''
* ''links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.''

== External links ==


* [https://forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/385697-bloch-mb-174-a3/ Official data sheet - more details about the performance]

{{AirManufacturer Dassault}}
{{France bombers}}

M.B.174A-3

2023-03-09T20:30:15Z

U83153598: spelling error

{{Specs-Card
|code=mb_174_a3
|images={{Specs-Card-Image|GarageImage_{{PAGENAME}}.jpg|ArtImage_{{PAGENAME}}.png}}
}}

== Description ==

The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a rank {{Specs|rank}} French bomber {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update 1.73 "Vive la France"]].

The M.B.174 is a fast bomber made for ground attack. Like a twin-engine strike aircraft, it is able to drop bombs with high accuracy in a ground attack role and use its speed to get away from any return fire.

== General info ==
=== Flight performance ===
{{Specs-Avia-Flight}}

The M.B.174A-3 is rather manoeuvrable flying in a straight line since the aircraft can roll pretty well and has acceptable elevator motion. When in a combat situation, this changes considerably as the plane is difficult to handle in dives and turns. Trying to approach a bombing target in a diving turn, the M.B.174 is very slow to turn around and the bow keeps pointing way off the line of flight. Even using full rudder control, the bow of the plane just does not follow the turn, making it likely that the bombs will miss their target. In addition, the M.B.174 does not conserve energy well and trying to climb will reduce speed to under 200 km/h, in which case the pilot can expect to be an easy score for any enemy.

But like all aircraft at this BR, the best solution for air combat is not getting caught in the first place. The M.B.174 however can run away better than its peers because it is blazing fast; it easily outruns all but the fastest fighters and any strike aircraft trying to intercept you bites the dust in a chase. The speed is definitely something which the M.B.174 has over other single-engined strike aircraft, as it has two 1,073 HP engines which easily outpower anything at the BR it is in.

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="70%"
! rowspan="2" | Characteristics
! colspan="2" | Max Speed (km/h at 3,780 m)
! rowspan="2" | Max altitude (metres)
! colspan="2" | Turn time (seconds)
! colspan="2" | Rate of climb (metres/second)
! rowspan="2" | Take-off run (metres)
|-
! AB !! RB !! AB !! RB !! AB !! RB
|-
! Stock
| 511 || 497 || rowspan="2" | {{Specs|ceiling}} || 19.9 || 20.6 || 8.2 || 8.2 || rowspan="2" | 450
|-
! Upgraded
| 566 || 537 || 18.7 || 19.0 || 16.4 || 11.6
|-
|}

==== Details ====
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="50%"
|-
! colspan="5" | Features
|-
! Combat flaps !! Take-off flaps !! Landing flaps !! Air brakes !! Arrestor gear
|-
| ✓ || ✓ || ✓ || X || X 
|-
|}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="50%"
|-
! colspan="7" | Limits
|-
! rowspan="2" | Wings (km/h)
! rowspan="2" | Gear (km/h)
! colspan="3" | Flaps (km/h)
! colspan="2" | Max Static G
|-
! Combat !! Take-off !! Landing !! + !! -
|-
| {{Specs|destruction|body}} || {{Specs|destruction|gear}} || 330 || 317 || 260 || ~12 || ~5
|-
|}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="4" | Optimal velocities (km/h)
|-
! Ailerons !! Rudder !! Elevators !! Radiator
|-
| < 325 || < 200 || < 480 || > 180
|-
|}

=== Survivability and armour ===
{{Specs-Avia-Armour}}


* 8 mm Steel plate behind the pilot's head.

=== Modifications and economy ===
{{Specs-Economy}}
The stock configuration gives you largely ineffective 50 kg bombs, so researching the 500 kg bomb is imperative to the plane's success.

== Armaments ==
{{Specs-Avia-Armaments}}
=== Offensive armament ===
{{Specs-Avia-Offensive}}

{{main|MAC 1934 (7.5 mm)}}

The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' is armed with:

* 2 x 7.5 mm MAC 1934 machine guns, wing-mounted (500 rpg = 1,000 total)

The two machine guns are arranged with one mounted in each wing. Each is armed with the same amount of ammunition, which means that all guns will fire with each other until empty. The problem with using your frontal armament is that you will have a hard time lining up on your target considering the sluggish turn time and the rapid energy bleeding which comes with moving your plane in ways it was never designed for: hitting anything with your two rifle-calibre MGs is also hard because the guns are mounted on the wings, very far away from the centre of the aircraft, making gun convergence a huge factor in aiming.

=== Suspended armament ===
{{Specs-Avia-Suspended}}

{{main|G.A. MMN. 50 (50 kg)|No.2 (500 kg)}}

The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' can be outfitted with the following ordnance:

* 8 x 50 kg G.A. MMN. 50 bombs (400 kg total)
* 1 x 500 kg No.2 bomb (500 kg total)

=== Defensive armament ===
{{Specs-Avia-Defensive}}

{{main|MAC 1934 (7.5 mm)}}

The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' is defended by:

* 2 x 7.5 mm MAC 1934 machine guns, dorsal turret (400 rpg = 800 total)
* 3 x 7.5 mm MAC 1934 machine guns, ventral turret (500 rpg = 1,500 total)

The defensive armament of two MGs on the back of the cockpit does not amount to much, although if you can move your plane into directly lining up with the enemy on your six you can unleash the three bottom-mounted MGs too which might suffice in taking down the pursuer.

== Usage in battles ==


With its heaviest and most effective bombload being a single 500 kg bomb held by bomb locks, the M.B.174 can effectively dive bomb. The recommended strategy is basically to dive on targets to secure a kill with a low number of high-weight bombs play like a [[Ju 87 B-2]] or a [[TBF-1C]]. The only limitation to this is that you cannot drop bombs while making a diving turn due to your twin-engine configuration. However, considering those engines provide you with a near-unmatched speed it is a worthwhile tradeoff.

Tactics should be focused on bombing ground targets with a straight line approach and a clear exit away from the enemy. The 50 kg bombs are not effective against any ground target. In attack mode, the 7.5 mm MG don't make much of a dent on enemies, and since ammo runs out quickly, any attack must be carefully planned. Attacking bombers at higher altitude is not advisable. Fighters busy in turn fights can be attacked if you have an altitude advantage and a line of exit. After bombing the target, by turning away from the enemy and descending at the same time you will probably be able either to outrun or keep up with most of the enemy fighters at this BR.

In conclusion; the M.B.174 is a twin-engine strike aircraft disguised as a bomber, with a superb speed and reasonable manoeuvrability. It however lacks sufficient defensive armament and the frontal armament is only effective against unaware open-topped vehicles. The bomb load is comparable to other strike aircraft of the BR, though the stock loadout is largely ineffective. All things considered it is definitely a good plane to have in your ground RB lineup, considering it can drop the 500 kg bomb pretty precisely and evade any AA or pursuers after securing a kill. In air battles, the plane is largely overshadowed in the bomber role by the [[N.C.223.3]] and in the twin-engine strike role by the [[Potez 631]].

=== Manual Engine Control ===
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="7" | MEC elements
|-
! rowspan="2" | Mixer
! rowspan="2" | Pitch
! colspan="3" | Radiator
! rowspan="2" | Supercharger
! rowspan="2" | Turbocharger
|-
! Oil !! Water !! Type
|-
| Controllable || Controllable Not auto controlled || Not controllable Not auto controlled || Controllable Not auto controlled || Combined || Not controllable 1 gear || Not controllable
|-
|}

=== Pros and cons ===


'''Pros:'''

* Superb speed for a bomber
* Extremely maneuvreable for a bomber
* Has offensive armament which despite its weakness makes it relatively unique to other bombers
* Can drop a very forgiving bomb with high precision in a ground attack role

'''Cons:'''

* Extremely weak stock payload
* Poor defensive armament
* Has little purpose in air battles

== History ==


Evolution of the MB.170, this new model definitively abandoned the belly turret and the crew's typical layout was revised. The cockpit and front-end glazing were again modified, however, the MB.170-02's tail was retained. Intended specifically for reconnaissance with a secondary bombing mission, the prototype took the air on 5 January 1939 in Villacoublay piloted by René Le Bail with 14M-20/21 Gnome & Rhône engines of 1,030 hp. Six pre-production aircraft were ordered to activate the development of the twin-engine aircraft, but this aircraft proved to be very fast and easy to fly from the first tests, manoeuvrable even at very high altitude and an order for 50 serial copies was notified on 1 February 1939. Intended to replace the Potez 63.11 of the war, they were to receive 14M-48/49 Gnome & Rhône engines of 1,100 hp, but the first tests carried out with the pre-series aircraft revealed cooling problems. It was, therefore, necessary to reduce the diameter of the propeller pans in order to increase the airflow on the cylinder heads. Finally, just before the commissioning it was decided to increase the armament, which was finally attached to two 7.5 mm MAC 1934 machine guns in the wings and three mounted in removable ventral fairings pulling forward, a dorsal machine gun and a ventral weapon of the same type pulling backwards. The belly compartment allowed 400 kg of bombs to be carried, but in its initial version, its capacity was in fact limited to 8 x 40 kg bombs which was clearly insufficient in most operations. The production was launched in November 1939 at the SNCASO plant in Bordeaux-Mérignac, but because of the modifications made to the planes during their development the first 20 MB.174 were accepted by the air force only in February 1940 and put into service in March 1940 to the strategic reconnaissance group GR II/33. 56 copies were delivered until June 22, 1940. In operations, this twin-engine aircraft was able to outrun the best German fighters then in service and only 4 MB.174 were lost to the enemy during the Battle of France.

During Battle of France on May 1940, the famous French writer Antoine de Saint-Exupery flew a Bloch M. B 174 with the Groupe de reconnaissance II/33 in a squadron of Armée de l'Air. On 23rd May of 1940, he made a recon mission above the city of Arras during the German invasion and his plane was heavily damaged by Flak and attacked by fighters however he managed to get back at his airfield and save his crew. Due to this heroic action, he was awarded of Croix de Guerre (Iron Cross) on 2nd June 1940. This mission inspired him a book named Pilote de Guerre. (Flight to Arras)

== Media ==


;Skins

* [https://live.warthunder.com/feed/camouflages/?vehicle=mb_174_a3 Skins and camouflages for the {{PAGENAME}} from live.warthunder.com.]

== See also ==
''Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:''

* ''reference to the series of the aircraft;''
* ''links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.''

== External links ==


* [https://forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/385697-bloch-mb-174-a3/ Official data sheet - more details about the performance]

{{AirManufacturer Dassault}}
{{France bombers}}

D2

2023-03-09T20:24:16Z

U83153598: some extra additions to usage in battles

{{Specs-Card
|code=fr_renault_d2
|images={{Specs-Card-Image|GarageImage_{{PAGENAME}}.jpg|ArtImage_{{PAGENAME}}.png}}
}}

== Description ==

The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a rank {{Specs|rank}} French medium tank {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update "Starfighters"]]. The D2 can be considered the brother of the [[S.35]], sporting similar thick all-around armour, the same 47 mm SA35 gun, and a 3-man crew in the same configuration. The primary differences are the D2 is significantly slower - with nearly half the top speed and a lower power-to-weight ratio - while having a flatter, boxier hull shape, allowing the D2 to angle its armour more reliably.

== General info ==
=== Survivability and armour ===
{{Specs-Tank-Armour}}

Sporting 40 mm of rolled armour on all sides of a boxy hull, the D2 can be angled at a perfect 45 degree angle for a consistent effective thickness of at least 60 mm, presenting no obvious weak points save for the turret ring. The turret is of the same general style as used by the S.35 and [[B1 bis]], with a small, strong 56 mm turret face reinforced by two gun mantlets and strongly angled 45 mm sides, making it very effective in hull-down positions. Still beware of enemies behind you and even strafing aircraft, as the low, sloped engine deck has two grilles with a mere 5 mm of protection that even SPAAs and heavy machine guns can penetrate.

The D2's ammo racks are located deep in the bottom of the hull, nestled behind the D2's extra suspension armour and the suspension itself, making them fairly well-protected.

'''Armour type:'''

* Rolled homogeneous armour (hull, sideskirts, turret ring, turret roof)
* Cast homogeneous armour (turret sides, gun mantlet, turret cupola)

{| class="wikitable"
|-
! Armour !! Front (Slope angle) !! Sides !! Rear !! Roof
|-
| Hull || 40 mm (17°) ''Front glacis - upper part'' 40 mm (40°) ''Front glacis - lower part'' 40 mm (53°) ''Lower glacis''
| 40 mm ''Top'' 40 mm + 10 mm ''Bottom'' || 20 mm (72°) ''Upper plate (roof)'' 5 mm (72°) ''Engine vent (roof)'' 40 mm ''Centre plate'' 20 mm (58°) ''Lower plate'' || 20 mm ''Front part'' 5 mm ''Engine vent - front part'' 20 mm (18°) ''Rear part'' 5 mm (18°) ''Engine vent - rear part''
|-
| Turret || 56 mm ''Turret front'' 45 mm ''Gun mantlet'' 45 mm ''Machine gun port'' 40 mm ''Turret ring'' || colspan="2" style="text-align:center" | 45 mm (20°) || 30 mm (25°) ''Front part'' 30 mm ''Rear part''
|-
| Cupola || 40 mm || 40 mm (26°) || 40 mm (9°) || 30 mm
|-
|}

'''Notes:'''

* Suspension wheels are 15 mm thick, bogies are 10 mm thick and tracks are 20 mm thick.
* Lower and upper turret ring armour are both 40 mm thick, and overlap slightly.
* Storage boxes, exhaust cover plate and mudguards are 5 mm thick.

=== Mobility ===
{{Specs-Tank-Mobility}}


{{tankMobility|abMinHp= 232|rbMinHp= 133}}

The top speed is poor as the {{PAGENAME}} is heavy: you will often arrive last. Neutral steering is possible and makes turning on the spot easy: this however works only when idle. Once on the move, the {{PAGENAME}} will turn by locking a track. Accelerating and braking happen quickly. Turning doesn't make you lose much speed as your top speed already is slow. The reverse speed is a good point: it will get you out of a dangerous situation quickly. The {{PAGENAME}} reaches 16 km/h when fording, 10 km/h when driving uphill with some speed built-up but a mere 4 km/h uphill from a stop. The tracks are quite large and grant you a decent mobility on hard (solid ground, roads) and soft terrain (mud, snow, sand). Light and medium obstacles (fences, posts, bushes and small trees) are not a problem for the {{PAGENAME}} but large obstacles will reduce your mobility: avoid them.

=== Modifications and economy ===
{{Specs-Economy}}

== Armaments ==
{{Specs-Tank-Armaments}}
=== Main armament ===
{{Specs-Tank-Weapon|1}}

{{main|SA35 L/32 (47 mm)}}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="100%"
|-
! colspan="5" | [[SA35 L/32 (47 mm)|47 mm SA35 L/32]] || colspan="5" | Turret rotation speed (°/s) || colspan="4" | Reloading rate (seconds)
|-
! Mode !! Capacity !! Vertical !! Horizontal !! Stabilizer
! Stock !! Upgraded !! Full !! Expert !! Aced
! Stock !! Full !! Expert !! Aced
|-
! ''Arcade''
| rowspan="2" | 120 || rowspan="2" | ±18° || rowspan="2" | ±180° || rowspan="2" | {{Annotation|Shoulder|up to 10 km/h}} || 9.5 || 13.2 || 16.0 || 17.7 || 18.8 || rowspan="2" | 5.20 || rowspan="2" | 4.60 || rowspan="2" | 4.24 || rowspan="2" | 4.00
|-
! ''Realistic''
| 6.0 || 7.0 || 8.5 || 9.4 || 10.0
|-
|}

The SA35 gun offers a reasonable penetration power at its battle rating. Its average muzzle velocity allows for a rather flat firing trajectory but the accuracy drop is noticeable from 700 m distance and becomes a handicap over 1,000 m. The rotation speed of the turret is slow compared to other tanks at the same rank or battle rating. Elevation and depression angles of the gun are important, allowing you to fire from unusual positions (behind a ridge, on a slope, etc.). Your recoil is nonexistent.
The shoulder-stop stabilizer allows for a good targeting but at very slow speed. The reload times of the gun are in line with other light tanks at the same BR.
The average penetration power and the absence of post-penetration damage from the solid shot are the biggest weaknesses of the armament. This will bring you to have to shoot enemy tanks repeatedly to destroy them entirely, while being in close proximity to maximize your penetration power.

==== Ammunition ====
The {{PAGENAME}} has a limited choice of ammunition:

* '''Mle1935''': APC; a solid shot with average penetration and no explosive filler. Make sure to target modules and crew positions to maximise the damage. Knowledge of enemy vehicle layouts is essential with this type of ammunition.
* '''Mle1935 HE''': HE; useful for destroying open and very lightly armoured vehicles.

{{:SA35 L/32 (47 mm)/Ammunition|Mle1935, Mle1935 HE}}

==== [[Ammo racks]] ====
[[File:Ammoracks_{{PAGENAME}}.png|right|thumb|x250px|[[Ammo racks]] of the {{PAGENAME}}]]

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! Full ammo
! 1st rack empty
! 2nd rack empty
! 3rd rack empty
! 4th rack empty
! 5th rack empty
! 6th rack empty
! Visual discrepancy
|-
| '''120''' || 103 ''(+17)'' || 85 ''(+35)'' || 61 ''(+59)'' || 43 ''(+77)'' || 25 ''(+95)'' || 1 ''(+119)'' || No
|-
|}
'''Notes''':

* As they are modeled by sets of 3, shells disappear from the rack only after you've fired all shells in the set.
* Packing 25 ''(+95)'' shells is a good compromise to have enough shells at your disposal while reducing drastically the risk of ammo rack detonation.

=== Machine guns ===
{{Specs-Tank-Weapon|2}}

{{main|MAC 31 (7.5 mm)}}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="50%"
|-
! colspan="5" | [[MAC 31 (7.5 mm)|7.5 mm MAC 31]]
|-
! Mount !! Capacity (Belt) !! Fire rate !! Vertical !! Horizontal
|-
| Coaxial || 3,250 (150) || 551 || N/A || N/A
|-
|}
The small calibre of the MAC 31 machine gun makes it largely ineffective against all armoured vehicles but the ones with an open compartment. It still can be used to ping targets as a rangefinding help.

== Usage in battles ==


;Combat tactics

The {{PAGENAME}} should be played as a support tank. In an offensive role, you help destroying advancing enemy tanks and capturing objectives. Stay close to the frontline to maximize penetration power, while staying at a distance from enemy tanks (500-700 m) to avoid being flanked or swarmed. When engaging enemy tanks, angle your tank at 45° to maximize your frontal armour.
In a defensive role, being at a distance from the frontline will force enemy tanks to drive in the open to get to you. Always play with a nearby obstacle you can use as cover if you get hit and need to repair. Have a planned retreat route as the enemy will try to use artillery or CAS to dislodge you from cover. A good player in a {{PAGENAME}} can lock the enemy advance if positioned in a corridor and properly angled.
If you try to use the {{PAGENAME}} in a different role on the battlefield, you will quickly reach its limits: as a frontline tank, you will take shots from long range tank destroyers that will disable your tank. Your armour is not thick enough for tank destroyers with long guns. You will also be easily flanked by light tanks or armoured cars, especially if they swarm you. Only 1-on-1 engagements should be performed in this role. If you attempt to play long range engagements, your short gun will lack accuracy and penetration will greatly drop over distance. Even with your good gun depression allowing you to fire from behind the cover of a ridge, the slow muzzle velocity of your shells will make it difficult to aim at moving targets in the distance.

All in all this tank is quite similar in playstyle to the [[R.35 (SA38)]], with it being larger, slightly faster (though that is not a stretch), better armed and featuring thicker armour, making it a viable tank at its BR. If you employ the right tactics the D2 can become a solid wall stopping all enemy advances, making it impossible for the enemy team to push forwards unless they use air power to dislodge you.

;Notable enemies

Many enemy vehicles can destroy the {{PAGENAME}}:

* Long range tank destroyers that can defeat your armour from 1,000 m,
* Frontline and light tanks that manage to flank or get close to you,
* Tanks with HEAT shells,
* Tanks with many crew members: your ammunition having little post-penetration damage, knocking all crew members becomes lengthy.

These enemies are however not very ubiquitous and can be avoided or even neutralised if situational awareness is employed.

;How to defeat a {{PAGENAME}}

In a frontal encounter, shoot right in the middle of the front plate if the {{PAGENAME}} did not angle its hull. This will knock out the gunner and the driver. If angled, aim at the turret ring. When flanking, aim for the spot right under the center of the turret or the turret ring (small area).

=== Pros and cons ===


'''Pros:'''

* Thick all-around armour, able to be heavily angled
* Good penetration power
* Shoulder stabilizer
* 3 crew members, granting better survivability than French rank I 2-man vehicles
* Quick reverse speed
* Neutral steering

'''Cons:'''

* Very low top speed
* No explosive filler for its AP shells.
* Poor turret rotation speed

== History ==


'''Design'''

In 1926, the French Army expressed the need for a new battle tank aimed at replacing all Renault FT tanks. The company Renault proposed a design that would later become the Char D1. While the D1 was still in development in 1930, the French Infantry Command ordered Renault to design a heavier version of the tank: the D2. Like for the D1, the crew consisted of 3 members and the tank was equipped with a one-man Schneider turret. The D2 had to be better armoured and faster than the D1 but was heavier and offered a taller silhouette.

'''Development'''

The Char D2 was developed from 1930 to 1933, then tested and accepted by the French Army. Due to interference with the production of the Char D1 and delays in the delivery of Schneider turrets, the D2 was only produced in 1936-37 and later in 1940. The first tanks were equipped with a short 47 mm SA34 gun and the later ones were equipped with the long 47 mm SA35 gun. Shortly before the start of the war, the older tanks were retrofitted with a SA35. Around 100 tanks were produced.

'''Combat usage'''

The Char D2 fought during the battle of France in May 1940, most notably at the battles of Montcornet and Amiens. After the defeat, the D2 were scrapped. Only the turrets were reused as fortification guns by the Germans.

=== [[wt:en/news/6709-development-char-d2-slow-advance-en|Devblog]] ===
Development of the Char D2 began in 1930, while Renault still worked on the Char D1 project. Unlike the Char D1 light tank, the French military requested the development of a heavier version of the vehicle, sporting thicker armour and better mobility, which was seen as an alternative to the Char B1 heavy tank, whose numbers were projected to become limited by possible arms limitation treaties.

Renault began work on the Char D2 and with the use of the then innovative welding technique, hoped to save weight and thus also cost of the new vehicle. The first prototype of the Char D2, called Renault UZ, was completed in 1932, followed soon after by two further prototypes in November 1933. Testing was kept relatively short, or in some aspects didn't happen altogether, in order to start production sooner. The first production orders were issued in 1934, with the first production models entering service with the French army in 1935. A second, improved production batch was ordered in June 1938, sporting a newer turret and improved firepower.

In service, the Char D2 was plagued by mechanical and reliability problems, leading to frequent breakdowns and difficult maintenance due to a lack of spare parts. Nonetheless, the Char D2 took part in actions during the Invasion of France in spring 1940 and served with French troops until the Fall of France in June.

Around 100 Char D2s were produced in total, of which many were lost as a result of breakdowns. Roughly 20 would be destroyed during fighting, with around another 20 vehicles being captured by the occupying German forces. The Char D2 did receive an official German designation, but was never put into service by German forces.

== Media ==


;Skins

* [https://live.warthunder.com/feed/camouflages/?vehicle=fr_renault_d2 Skins and camouflages for the {{PAGENAME}} from live.warthunder.com.]

'''Images'''<gallery mode="packed" heights="150">
File:Char D2 WTWallpaper 01.jpg|
File:Char D2 WTWallpaper 02.jpg|
File:Char D2 WTWallpaper 03.jpg|
File:Char D2 WTWallpaper 04.jpg|
File:Char D2 WTWallpaper 05.jpg|
File:Char D2 WTWallpaper 06.jpg|
</gallery>

;Videos
{{Youtube-gallery|xNNx857AvG0|'''Spade Review: {{PAGENAME}}. Slow But Strong''' - ''Joseph 2000''}}

== See also ==


;Other vehicles of similar configuration and role

* [[I-Go Ko]]

== External links ==


* [[wt:en/news/6709-development-char-d2-slow-advance-en|[Devblog] Char D2: Slow Advance]]
* [[wikipedia:Char_D2|[Wikipedia] Char D2]]
* [https://www.tanks-encyclopedia.com/ww2/france/Char_Renault_D2.php <nowiki>[Tanks Encyclopedia]</nowiki> Char Renault D2]

{{TankManufacturer Renault}}
{{France medium tanks}}

M.B.174A-3

2023-02-07T20:15:07Z

U83153598: filled out and redid some of the page

{{Specs-Card
|code=mb_174_a3
|images={{Specs-Card-Image|GarageImage_{{PAGENAME}}.jpg|ArtImage_{{PAGENAME}}.png}}
}}

== Description ==

The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a rank {{Specs|rank}} French bomber {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update 1.73 "Vive la France"]].

Though classified as a bomber, the M.B.174 can feel more like a twin-engine strike aircraft; in this role it is a decent choice, being able to drop forgiving bombs with high accuracy in a ground attack role and using its speed to get away from any return fire. It however lacks purpose in air battles, as its single bomb only allows it to bomb one ground target and any air target is more maneuvreable than the poorly armed M.B.174.

== General info ==
=== Flight performance ===
{{Specs-Avia-Flight}}


{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="70%"
! rowspan="2" | Characteristics
! colspan="2" | Max Speed (km/h at 3,780 m)
! rowspan="2" | Max altitude (metres)
! colspan="2" | Turn time (seconds)
! colspan="2" | Rate of climb (metres/second)
! rowspan="2" | Take-off run (metres)
|-
! AB !! RB !! AB !! RB !! AB !! RB
|-
! Stock
| 511 || 497 || rowspan="2" | {{Specs|ceiling}} || 19.9 || 20.6 || 8.2 || 8.2 || rowspan="2" | 450
|-
! Upgraded
| 566 || 537 || 18.7 || 19.0 || 16.4 || 11.6
|-
|}

==== Details ====
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="50%"
|-
! colspan="5" | Features
|-
! Combat flaps !! Take-off flaps !! Landing flaps !! Air brakes !! Arrestor gear
|-
| ✓ || ✓ || ✓ || X || X 
|-
|}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="50%"
|-
! colspan="7" | Limits
|-
! rowspan="2" | Wings (km/h)
! rowspan="2" | Gear (km/h)
! colspan="3" | Flaps (km/h)
! colspan="2" | Max Static G
|-
! Combat !! Take-off !! Landing !! + !! -
|-
| {{Specs|destruction|body}} || {{Specs|destruction|gear}} || 330 || 317 || 260 || ~12 || ~5
|-
|}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="4" | Optimal velocities (km/h)
|-
! Ailerons !! Rudder !! Elevators !! Radiator
|-
| < 325 || < 200 || < 480 || > 180
|-
|}

=== Survivability and armour ===
{{Specs-Avia-Armour}}


* 8 mm Steel plate behind the pilot's head.

=== Modifications and economy ===
{{Specs-Economy}}

== Armaments ==
{{Specs-Avia-Armaments}}
=== Offensive armament ===
{{Specs-Avia-Offensive}}

{{main|MAC 1934 (7.5 mm)}}

The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' is armed with:

* 2 x 7.5 mm MAC 1934 machine guns, wing-mounted (500 rpg = 1,000 total)

The two machine guns are arranged with one mounted in each wing. Each is armed with the same amount of ammunition, which means that all guns will fire with each other until empty.

=== Suspended armament ===
{{Specs-Avia-Suspended}}

{{main|G.A. MMN. 50 (50 kg)|No.2 (500 kg)}}

The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' can be outfitted with the following ordnance:

* 8 x 50 kg G.A. MMN. 50 bombs (400 kg total)
* 1 x 500 kg No.2 bomb (500 kg total)

=== Defensive armament ===
{{Specs-Avia-Defensive}}

{{main|MAC 1934 (7.5 mm)}}

The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' is defended by:

* 2 x 7.5 mm MAC 1934 machine guns, dorsal turret (400 rpg = 800 total)
* 3 x 7.5 mm MAC 1934 machine guns, ventral turret (500 rpg = 1,500 total)

== Usage in battles ==


The M.B.174 feels more like a twin-engine strike aircraft than a real bomber; with its heaviest (and most effective) bombload being a 500kg bomb held by bomb-locks the maneuvreable plane can dive-bomb as effectively as any of its single-engine brethren. The recommended strategy is basically to play as you would play a [[Ju 87 B-2]] or a [[TBF-1C|TBF 1-C]], divebombing your targets to secure a kill with a low number of high-weight bombs. The only asterisk to this is that you cannot drop bombs while making a diving turn due to your twin-engine configuration. However, considering those engines provide you with a near-unmatched speed it is a worthwhile tradeoff. The stock configuration gives you largely ineffective 50kg bombs, so researching the 500 kg bomb is imperative to the plane's success.

You are also given two frontal MAC 1934 7.5 mm machine guns, which can be devastating on soft targets (like open-topped vehicles) if you use the Tracer belt. The problem with using your frontal armament is that you will have a hard time lining up on your target considering the sluggish turn time and the rapid energy bleeding which comes with moving your plane in ways it was never designed for: hitting anything with your two rifle-calibre MG's is also hard because the guns are mounted on the wings, very far away from the centre of the aircraft, making gun convergence a huge factor in aiming.

The defensive armament of two MG's on the back of the cockpit do not amount to much, although if you can move your plane into directly lining up with the enemy on your six you can unleash the three bottom-mounted MG's too which might suffice in taking down the pursuer. But like all strike aircraft at this BR, the best solution for air combat is not getting caught in the first place. The M.B.174 however can run away better than its peers because it is blazing fast; it easily outruns all but the fastest fighters and any strike aircraft trying to intercept you bites the dust in a chase. The speed is definitely something which the M.B.174 has over other single-engined strike aircraft, as it has two 1,073 HP engines which easily outpower anything at the BR it is in.

In conclusion; the M.B.174 is a twin-engine strike aircraft disguised as a bomber, with a superb speed and reasonable maneuvreability. It however lacks sufficient defensive armament (though nothing at this BR really has anything worthwhile) and the frontal armament is only effective against unaware open-topped vehicles. The bomb load is comparable to other strike aircraft of the BR, though the stock loadout is largely ineffective. All things considered it is definitely a good plane to have in your ground RB lineup, considering it can drop the forgiving 500 kg bomb pretty precisely and evade any AA or pursuers after securing a kill. In air battles the plane is largely overshadowed in the bomber role by the [[N.C.223.3]] and in the twin-engine strike role by the [[Potez 631]], so it is recommended to only unlock all modifications in this game mode.

=== Manual Engine Control ===
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="7" | MEC elements
|-
! rowspan="2" | Mixer
! rowspan="2" | Pitch
! colspan="3" | Radiator
! rowspan="2" | Supercharger
! rowspan="2" | Turbocharger
|-
! Oil !! Water !! Type
|-
| Controllable || Controllable Not auto controlled || Not controllable Not auto controlled || Controllable Not auto controlled || Combined || Not controllable 1 gear || Not controllable
|-
|}

=== Pros and cons ===


'''Pros:'''

* Superb speed for a bomber
* Extremely maneuvreable for a bomber
* Has offensive armament which despite its weakness makes it relatively unique to other bombers
* Can drop a very forgiving bomb with high precision in a ground attack role

'''Cons:'''

* Extremely weak stock payload
* Poor defensive armament
* Has little purpose in air battles

== History ==


Evolution of the MB.170, this new model definitively abandoned the belly turret and the crew's typical layout was revised. The cockpit and front-end glazing were again modified, however, the MB.170-02's tail was retained. Intended specifically for reconnaissance with a secondary bombing mission, the prototype took the air on 5 January 1939 in Villacoublay piloted by René Le Bail with 14M-20/21 Gnome & Rhône engines of 1,030 hp. Six pre-production aircraft were ordered to activate the development of the twin-engine aircraft, but this aircraft proved to be very fast and easy to fly from the first tests, manoeuvrable even at very high altitude and an order for 50 serial copies was notified on 1 February 1939. Intended to replace the Potez 63.11 of the war, they were to receive 14M-48/49 Gnome & Rhône engines of 1,100 hp, but the first tests carried out with the pre-series aircraft revealed cooling problems. It was, therefore, necessary to reduce the diameter of the propeller pans in order to increase the airflow on the cylinder heads. Finally, just before the commissioning it was decided to increase the armament, which was finally attached to two 7.5 mm MAC 1934 machine guns in the wings and three mounted in removable ventral fairings pulling forward, a dorsal machine gun and a ventral weapon of the same type pulling backwards. The belly compartment allowed 400 kg of bombs to be carried, but in its initial version, its capacity was in fact limited to 8 x 40 kg bombs which was clearly insufficient in most operations. The production was launched in November 1939 at the SNCASO plant in Bordeaux-Mérignac, but because of the modifications made to the planes during their development the first 20 MB.174 were accepted by the air force only in February 1940 and put into service in March 1940 to the strategic reconnaissance group GR II/33. 56 copies were delivered until June 22, 1940. In operations, this twin-engine aircraft was able to outrun the best German fighters then in service and only 4 MB.174 were lost to the enemy during the Battle of France.

During Battle of France on May 1940, the famous French writer Antoine de Saint-Exupery flew a Bloch M. B 174 with the Groupe de reconnaissance II/33 in a squadron of Armée de l'Air. On 23rd May of 1940, he made a recon mission above the city of Arras during the German invasion and his plane was heavily damaged by Flak and attacked by fighters however he managed to get back at his airfield and save his crew. Due to this heroic action, he was awarded of Croix de Guerre (Iron Cross) on 2nd June 1940. This mission inspired him a book named Pilote de Guerre. (Flight to Arras)

== Media ==


;Skins

* [https://live.warthunder.com/feed/camouflages/?vehicle=mb_174_a3 Skins and camouflages for the {{PAGENAME}} from live.warthunder.com.]

== See also ==
''Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:''

* ''reference to the series of the aircraft;''
* ''links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.''

== External links ==


* [https://forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/385697-bloch-mb-174-a3/ Official data sheet - more details about the performance]

{{AirManufacturer Dassault}}
{{France bombers}}

R.35 (SA38)

2023-01-24T11:08:10Z

U83153598: rounded out the page by adding some extra tips.

{{Specs-Card
|code=fr_renault_r39
|images={{Specs-Card-Image|GarageImage_{{PAGENAME}}.jpg|ArtImage_{{PAGENAME}}.png}}
}}

== Description ==

The '''{{Specs|name}}''' (also known as the '''{{Specs|pseudonym}}''') is a rank {{Specs|rank}} French light tank {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update 1.75 "La Résistance"]] as the R.39 and was subsequently renamed R.35 (SA38) in [[Update 1.89 "Imperial Navy"]].

The R.35 is in many ways similar to the other light tanks in the lower French tech tree; mobility is exchanged for thicker armor. It also has the other well-known features like a one-man turret and a decent gun with poor post-penetration damage. The reload time is longer than that of most tanks at its rank, but this is usually overcome by its low silhouette and thick side armor. It shares many of its shortcomings with other French tanks of rank I, so players should already be used to the playstyle. It is overall a decent vehicle, with very potent armor and a sluggish top speed.

== General info ==
=== Survivability and armour ===
{{Specs-Tank-Armour}}

With good armour thickness and surprising hull angles, this tank can take some beating at a distance, provided you do not get a lucky shot in the turret ring or that you face a heavy-hitting gun. This should get you into effective combat ranges (500- m) in relative safety. The most obvious weak spot is its turret flat left side, which is only 45 mm thick and badly angled, this makes hull-down position ineffective.

With its heavy side armour, one should use angles at its advantages and angle it at about 35° while facing opponents. Such an angling gives about 60 mm of effective thickness for 80% of the exposed area.

In an ambush position, this tank could face its opponents backwards (engine deck first). This unusual tactic could confuse enemies for a moment and provide extra protection as your engine may absorb shots. This will also decrease the chances of a lucky penetration : if turret is facing enemy, almost 90% of exposed surfaces have ~60 + mm of LoS thickness. If danger gets too high, you could give it the gas and "fly" away in forward motion.

'''Armour type:'''

* Cast homogeneous armour (hull, turret, cupola)
* Rolled homogeneous armour (front glacis, engine vents)
* Structural steel (mudguards, trench-crossing tail, storage boxes, exhaust cover)

{| class="wikitable"
|-
! Armour !! Front (Slope angle) !! Sides !! Rear !! Roof
|-
| Hull || 32 mm (23-61°) ''Upper plate'' 32 mm (23°) ''Driver hatch'' 25 mm (74°) ''Front glacis'' 32 mm (24-26°) ''Lower plate'' 32 mm (cylindrical) ''Lower glacis'' || 40 mm (4-28°) ''Top'' 40 mm ''Bottom'' || 40 mm (12°) ''Top'' 40 mm (33°) ''Bottom'' || 25 mm (16°) ''Front glacis'' 25 mm ''Centre'' 25 mm (1-6°) ''Rear'' 5 mm ''Engine vents''
|-
| Turret || 45 mm (4-28°) ''Turret front'' 45 mm (28-30°) ''Left side'' 25 mm (10-11°) + 45 mm (4°) ''Gun mantlet'' || 40 mm (0-28°) || 40 mm (30°) || 25 mm (22°) Front 25 mm ''Centre and rear''
|-
| Cupola || colspan="4" style="text-align:center" | 40 mm (cylindrical) ''Base'' 40 mm (spherical) ''Dome''
|-
|}
'''Notes:'''

* Suspension wheels, bogies and tracks are 15 mm thick.
* The trench-crossing tail is 5 mm thick and the mudguards are 4 mm thick.

=== Mobility ===
{{Specs-Tank-Mobility}}


{{tankMobility|abMinHp=89|rbMinHp=73}}

The mobility is the {{PAGENAME}}'s biggest weakness: while it does not like long-range engagements and needs to close-up with its foes in order to damage them, its very low speed will always leave it far behind its allies. With its narrow tracks and poor power ratio (8.09 HP/ton), the {{PAGENAME}} hates being taken out in the mud as its speeds fall drastically. 20 km/h forward and -3 km/h backwards is all you'll get from this struggling 73 HP engine. Plan your moves in advance and do not stay too near to the front line as a successful retreat is hard to achieve with such a slow tank.

=== Modifications and economy ===
{{Specs-Economy}}

== Armaments ==
{{Specs-Tank-Armaments}}
=== Main armament ===
{{Specs-Tank-Weapon|1}}

{{main|SA38 L/33 (37 mm)}}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="100%"
|-
! colspan="5" | [[SA38 L/33 (37 mm)|37 mm SA38 L/33]] || colspan="5" | Turret rotation speed (°/s) || colspan="4" | Reloading rate (seconds)
|-
! Mode !! Capacity !! Vertical !! Horizontal !! Stabilizer
! Stock !! Upgraded !! Full !! Expert !! Aced
! Stock !! Full !! Expert !! Aced
|-
! ''Arcade''
| rowspan="2" | 58 || rowspan="2" | -8°/+12° || rowspan="2" | ±180° || rowspan="2" | Shoulder || 14.9 || 20.7 || 25.1 || 27.8 || 29.6 || rowspan="2" | 5.20 || rowspan="2" | 4.60 || rowspan="2" | 4.24 || rowspan="2" | 4.00
|-
! ''Realistic''
| 9.3 || 11.0 || 13.3 || 14.8 || 15.7
|-
|}

The 37 mm SA38 cannon has significantly better penetration and post-penetration damage than its predecessor, but has a longer reload rate than its peers. Know the layout of enemy vehicles well, target their gunners first or immobilize them by shooting at the engine, and make every shot count. Avoid exchanging shots at long distances as your gun's penetration values decrease heavily beyond 500 m. The turret traverse speed is also an issue since you'll not be able to react in time to flanking opponents.

==== Ammunition ====
{{:SA38 L/33 (37 mm)/Ammunition|Mle1938}}

==== [[Ammo racks]] ====
[[File:Ammoracks_{{PAGENAME}}.png|right|thumb|x250px|[[Ammo racks]] of the {{PAGENAME}}]]

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! Full ammo
! 1st rack empty
! 2nd rack empty
! Visual discrepancy
|-
| '''58''' || 45 ''(+13)'' || 1 ''(+57)'' || No
|-
|}
'''Note''':

* As they are modeled by sets of 2, shells disappear from the rack only after you fire both shells in the set.

=== Machine guns ===
{{Specs-Tank-Weapon|2}}

{{main|MAC 31 (7.5 mm)}}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="50%"
|-
! colspan="5" | [[MAC 31 (7.5 mm)|7.5 mm MAC 31]]
|-
! Mount !! Capacity (Belt) !! Fire rate !! Vertical !! Horizontal
|-
| Coaxial || 1,800 (150) || 551 || N/A || N/A
|-
|}
The small calibre of the MAC 31 machine gun makes it largely ineffective against all armoured vehicles but the ones with an open compartment. It still can be used to ping targets as a rangefinding help or to mow down minor obstacles blocking your line of sight.

== Usage in battles ==

'''Gameplay summary:'''

The R.35 is a decent light tank for its battle rating, so long as it is played with the right tactics. The most important aspect of R.35 gameplay is armour angling. Being that the side armour is actually thicker than the front armour, angling at 45 degrees or more is ideal. The tank is not particularly quick which means flanking is generally difficult. Sticking with your team is therefor the best strategy. Generally, medium range engagements are ideal, though it can hold its ground in other scenarios. Its low silhouette can also be used to hide behind obstacles, go hull-down and slip below an enemies' gun depression angle.

'''Close Range Engagements:'''

The R.35 is capable at close range, although the slow reload can cause issues. The armour if angled correctly may bounce enemy rounds even at point blank range, however the R.35 must disable the enemy tank with the first shot. Most enemies that the R.35 will face have a faster reload, and may be able to outmanoeuvre it, as the R.35 is somewhat slow. This means that getting too close to the enemy is a mistake, always maintain some distance with quick enemies. The tank however does turn surprisingly quick compared to its underwhelming turret traverse, so if you want to have your gun on target quicker in a brawl you can just turn your entire vehicle to line up your gun with the enemy's soft spots.

'''Long Range Engagements:'''

The R.35 will struggle to deal damage at long range, the cannon having mediocre penetration and reload. However staying at range can also be a good strategy, as enemies may struggle to penetrate the armour of the R.35 as well. The gun doesn't outshine its common adversaries at range, but considering your enemy is very likely to possess armour inferior to the R.35's you can still beat most vehicles at this rank (except tank destroyers).

'''Notable Enemies:'''

Some notable enemies include: any German vehicles that use 20 mm autocannons, these include [[Pz.II (Family)|Panzer II]] and [[Flakpanzer I|Flankpanzer]] tanks. Their autocannons will easily destroy the R.35 if the armour is not angled. Additionally, the R.35 struggles to penetrate Panzer II tanks.

Additionally, the R.35 will be easily penetrated by enemy vehicles equipped with the American [[M3 (37 mm)|37 mm M3]] cannon, the British [[QF 2-pounder (40 mm)|QF 2-pounder]] gun, or the Swedish [[Kan m/38 (37 mm)|37 mm kan m/38]] gun.

=== Pros and cons ===


'''Pros:'''

* Gun with a good penetration power
* Has decent sloped hull armour
* Has a very thick gun mantlet area
* Thick sides allows for heavy angling

'''Cons:'''

* Thin turret ring.
* Limited crew count: 2 members (easy to immobilize with a single shot)
* Extremely low speed, with bad cross-country and hill-climbing ability
* Awful reverse speed of -3 km/h
* Single type of ammunition, with no explosive filler
* Slow reload speed

== History ==


The Char Leger mle 1935 Renault (Renault Light Tank model 1935), armed with the SA 18 short 37 mm gun, was the most common French tank at the onset of the war in Europe, with 900 on active service in infantry tank battalions in May, 1940. However, like its competitor H.35, its gun was known to be unsatisfactory as an anti-tank weapon.

Only a few of these R.35s could be converted to the improved SA 38 main gun prior to the fall of France, with the H.35s and H.39s of the cavalry receiving priority. It is known the 1st (Free) Polish Tank Regiment in France near Paris did receive some converted R.35s in May, 1940. These upgunned R.35 tanks are sometimes referred to (erroneously) as the R.39.

Concurrently, in 1939, AMX had developed a new type of track and suspension for the R.35, which had continued to be produced. This new variant, also armed with the SA 38, and sometimes designated the R.40, had gone into production in March, 1940. It saw limited service, but it is known the 40th and 48th tank battalions had received 30 each, and the 1st Polish as many as another 25, in time to serve in the invasion and fall of France. Some of these were still around to be seized by French Resistance forces during the fall of Paris in 1944.

== Media ==


;Skins

* [https://live.warthunder.com/feed/camouflages/?vehicle=fr_renault_r39 Skins and camouflages for the {{PAGENAME}} from live.warthunder.com.]

;Videos
{{Youtube-gallery|GCdwnUEASg8|'''Char léger d'accompagnement 1939 R, French, Tier-1, Light Tank''' - ''Angry Nerd Gaming''}}

== See also ==


;Other vehicles of similar configuration and role

* [[H.39]]
* [[H.39 "Cambronne"]]

== External links ==


* [[wikipedia:Renault_R35|[Wikipedia] Renault R35]]
* [https://tanks-encyclopedia.com/ww2/france/Renault_R-35.php <nowiki>[Tanks Encyclopedia]</nowiki> Renault R35/40]

{{France light tanks}}

S.35

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{{Specs-Card
|code=fr_somua_s35
|images={{Specs-Card-Image|GarageImage_{{PAGENAME}}.jpg}}
}}

== Description ==

The '''{{Specs|name}}''' (SOMUA's 1935 S cavalry tank) is a rank {{Specs|rank}} French medium tank {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update 1.75 "La Résistance"]]. As it was considered to be the best tank at its time, being very mobile, easy to maintain while having good combat characteristics. As WW2 struck, these were on the frontlines, hence the nickname [[wt:en/news/5175-development-somua-s-35-shield-of-the-republic-en|"Shield of The Republic"]]. This tank will surely feel like a breath of fresh air over its underpowered predecessors.

The S.35 has the same turret design as on the Char [[B1 bis]], meaning that the penetration, reload and turret rotation speed is the same (But there is no "mail slot" turret ring). The S.35 contains a 3 man crew (Gunner/Commander, Driver and Radio operator) so a well placed frontal shot from HEAT or from a high-calibre gun will in majority of cases destroy you on the spot. The S.35 is best used when showing only its strong turret, exposing only one crew member at a time brings extra survivability. The S.35 is a tall and cumbersome tank at its battle rating, though it is relatively mobile with a 40 km/h top speed.

== General info ==
=== Survivability and armour ===
{{Specs-Tank-Armour}}


'''Armour type:'''

* Rolled homogeneous armour (engine vents, side skirts)
* Cast homogeneous armour (hull, turret. cupola)

{| class="wikitable"
|-
! Armour !! Front (Slope angle) !! Sides !! Rear !! Roof
|-
| Hull || 47 mm (24°) ''Upper plate'' 35 mm (cylindrical) ''Upper glacis'' 40 mm (cylindrical) ''Lower glacis'' || 40 mm (15-25°) ''Top'' 38 mm (17-21°) ''Top - Access panels'' 40 ''Bottom'' 40 + 20 mm ''Bottom - Side skirts'' || 35 mm (31°) ''Top'' 25 mm ''Centre'' 25 mm (25-29°) ''Bottom'' || 35 mm (cylindrical) ''Front glacis'' 25 mm (4-9°) ''Centre and rear'' 8 mm (13°) ''Engine vents''
|-
| Turret || 56 mm ''Turret front'' 45 mm ''Gun mantlet'' 45 + 56 mm ''Machine gun port'' 40 mm ''Turret ring'' || colspan="2" style="text-align:center" | 45 mm (20°) || 30 mm (24°) ''Front part'' 30 mm ''Rear part''
|-
| Cupola || 40 mm (8°) || 40 mm (25-26°) || 40 mm (9°) || 30 mm (spherical)
|-
|}
'''Notes:'''

* Suspension wheels are 15 mm thick while tracks are 20 mm thick.
* Belly armour is 20 mm thick.
* Hull underside above the tracks is 10 mm thick.
* Gun barrel is 15 mm thick.

Armour is the {{PAGENAME}}'s main attribute as it is thick and provides good protection for its 3-man crew. Still, do not completely rely on it as there are many foes that can easily penetrate it at any range. Take every bounced shot as a "lucky roll" and get back into cover as quick as possible as the next shot could be your last. Armour this thick makes this tank very resilient to SPAA shots from all sides. An effective way to angle this tank is by facing your enemy at 45°, showing them your right-hand track: this sides minimises shot traps (on the other side, a flat 40 mm plate is conveniently placed at the right angle to make this tactic as ineffective as possible). As for top armour, this tank is pretty much immune to strafing from anything ranging from rifle-calibre to HMG rounds, which are common aircraft armaments at this BR.

If you see a {{PAGENAME}}, aim at the connection of the lower/middle plate with the upper plate which meets at 90 degrees, despite being curved, creating a weak spot that often knocks them out if penetrated. If not then aim at the driver's optics to knock out both driver and gunner. Flank if possible and make sure to be quite close to this tank's side as its armour is thick in this general area. The S.35 cannot fight more than one tank at a time, so if you can surround the {{PAGENAME}}, it will fall quickly due to poor reload rate and turret turning speed.

=== Mobility ===
{{Specs-Tank-Mobility}}


{{tankMobility|abMinHp= 294|rbMinHp= 168}}

Forward motion of the {{PAGENAME}} is great, turning and reverse are awful. It has average crossing capability on soft terrain (snow, mud, etc.). Align your hull in a straight line towards your objective and hit the gas without correcting trajectory is the best way to maximise this tank's speed as any turning motion slows it down quite significantly.

=== Modifications and economy ===
{{Specs-Economy}}

== Armaments ==
{{Specs-Tank-Armaments}}
=== Main armament ===
{{Specs-Tank-Weapon|1}}

{{main|SA35 L/32 (47 mm)}}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="100%"
|-
! colspan="5" | [[SA35 L/32 (47 mm)|47 mm SA35 L/32]] || colspan="5" | Turret rotation speed (°/s) || colspan="4" | Reloading rate (seconds)
|-
! Mode !! Capacity !! Vertical !! Horizontal !! Stabilizer
! Stock !! Upgraded !! Full !! Expert !! Aced
! Stock !! Full !! Expert !! Aced
|-
! ''Arcade''
| rowspan="2" | 84 || rowspan="2" | ±18° || rowspan="2" | ±180° || rowspan="2" | Shoulder || 9.5 || 13.2 || 16.0 || 17.7 || 18.8 || rowspan="2" | 5.2 || rowspan="2" | 4.6|| rowspan="2" | 4.2|| rowspan="2" | 4.0
|-
! ''Realistic''
| 6.0 || 7.0 || 8.5 || 9.4 || 10.0
|-
|}

While being subpar to later pre-war tanks, this vehicle's main armament provides decent anti-tank capability. Its main flaw being slow reload and low spalling: make every shot count. Early commanders of French tanks should be used to command one-man turrets, with all their benefits and flaws. It is worth mentioning the shoulder gun stabilizer, which makes stop-and-shoot tactics effective.

==== Ammunition ====
The {{PAGENAME}} has a limited choice of ammunition:

* '''Mle1935''': APC; a solid shot with average penetration and no explosive filler. Make sure to target modules and crew positions to maximise the damage. Knowledge of enemy vehicle layouts is essential with this type of ammunition.
* '''Mle1935 HE''': HE; useful for destroying open-topped and very lightly-armoured vehicles.

{{:SA35 L/32 (47 mm)/Ammunition|Mle1935, Mle1935 HE}}

==== [[Ammo racks]] ====
[[File:Ammoracks_{{PAGENAME}}.png|right|thumb|x250px|[[Ammo racks]] of the {{PAGENAME}}]]

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! Full ammo
! 1st rack empty
! 2nd rack empty
! 3rd rack empty
! 4th rack empty
! Visual discrepancy
|-
| '''84''' || 67 ''(+17)'' || 49 ''(+35)'' || 25 ''(+59)'' || 1 ''(+83)'' || No
|-
|}
'''Note''':

* As they are modeled by sets of 3, shells disappear from the rack only after you fire all shells in the set.

=== Machine guns ===
{{Specs-Tank-Weapon|2}}

{{main|MAC 31 (7.5 mm)}}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="50%"
|-
! colspan="5" | [[MAC 31 (7.5 mm)|7.5 mm MAC 31]]
|-
! Mount !! Capacity (Belt) !! Fire rate !! Vertical !! Horizontal
|-
| Coaxial || 3,300 (150) || 551 || N/A || N/A
|-
|}
The small calibre of the MAC 31 machine gun makes it largely ineffective against all armoured vehicles but the ones with an open compartment. It still can be used to ping targets as a rangefinding help or to mow down minor obstacles blocking your line of sight.

== Usage in battles ==

Your best option is to play in a supportive role, staying behind a well armoured vehicle and landing shots on the enemy from a medium distance. Do not try to rush in ahead of the team or go solo, as 7/10 times you will be destroyed by a counter-flanking player. The S.35 is able to hold its ground if you create a corridor for people to come at you. If you are able to flank without being seen, just remember to check behind you every now and then.

All light tanks are to be feared as they can out-manoeuvre this cumbersome tank quite easily and most enemies with a bit of luck will eventually hit one of this tank's weak spots. Another challenge for this tank is facing a good bit of armour at ranges, where the SA35's penetration drops off. With its low post-penetration damage some tanks with many crew members (like the T-28) are also hard to take down.

In a defensive role, it can be played in a hull down position on a hill. This lets you take full advantage of the gun's -18° of gun depression and means that only exceptionally well-placed shots will be able to harm you.

=== Pros and cons ===


'''Pros:'''

* Over all thick armour for rank I
** ~35-40 mm thick on all sides with a slight slope gives it a chance to survive a hit or two
** Capable of successfully angling due to thick sides
** Turret is quite thick on all sides
* One of the first French tanks which can brawl at closer ranges without support
* Shoulder stabilizer makes stop-and-shoot tactics very effective
* Good acceleration in AB, with an acceptable turn speed when driving at max speed
* 3 crew member configuration grants better survivability than other 2-man French tanks

'''Cons:'''

* Big cupola is an obvious shot trap
* Angling can be defeated by knowing its shot traps: even a well-angled S.35 shows flat armour
* Gun has poor penetration power on longer ranges
* Limited ammunition choice
* Mobility is limited:
** Long and narrow chassis makes for difficult turning
** Reverse speed feels slow

== History ==

The SOMUA S.35 was developed in 1934 in response to demand for a cavalry tank that could withstand direct hits from contemporary anti-tank weapons. SOMUA was the company assigned to the challenge, and by spring 1935 they completed construction of the first prototype, designated the AC3.

Unfortunately, early testing revealed some flaws with the first prototype, which SOMUA subsequently fixed and released in a pre-production batch of four vehicles (called the AC4). This first batch demonstrated satisfactory performance. In 1936, the AC4 modification of the vehicle was adopted as the standard medium tank for the cavalry units of the French army. Shortly thereafter, it received the official designation of SOMUA S.35.

Production of the SOMUA S.35 began in 1936, with a goal of producing 600 vehicles. During production, however, financial restraints limited the number that could be produced. Of the initial 600 planned, only 450 were actually ordered and built for the French army.

Following the outbreak of WW2, the S.35 was soon deployed to defend French soil against a German invasion. Because the tank was designed to fight contemporary armoured vehicles of other nations, it fared well against the onslaught of Panzer III's and early modifications of the Panzer IV.

In fact, in most battles where the S.35 clashed with German Panzers in engagement ranges of around 1,000 m, the S.35 was able to destroy the Panzers without taking any critical damage in return.

Unfortunately, while the S.35 did reasonably well in combat, the mechanics servicing the vehicle had few kind words for it. Due to its cast hull and complex suspension design, the S.35 was notoriously difficult to service and maintain—so difficult that if the tank was damaged in combat, the crew was unlikely to be able to repair it on the battlefield.

While the S.35 saw some success in battle, its victories were short-lived. In June 1940, France surrendered and German forces occupied the northern part of the country, while the Vichy government was established in the south. Dozens of S.35s were captured, modified, and then deployed by the German and Italian forces. A handful of S.35s were also given to axis allies such as Hungary and Bulgaria.

The S.35 was eventually decommissioned from active service at the end of hostilities in 1945.

''- From [[wt:en/news/5175-development-somua-s-35-shield-of-the-republic-en|Devblog]]''

== Media ==


;Skins

* [https://live.warthunder.com/feed/camouflages/?vehicle=fr_somua_s35 Skins and camouflages for the {{PAGENAME}} from live.warthunder.com.]

;Videos
{{Youtube-gallery|4_cJ1CpEatw|'''Best gun depression''' discusses the {{PAGENAME}} at 3:01 - ''War Thunder Official Channel''|vwE8wSgoDwY|'''SOMUA S.35, French, Tier-1, Medium Tank''' - ''Angry Nerd Gaming''|HreZgJwCMzM|'''The Shooting Range #79''' - ''Pages of History'' section at 05:05 discusses the {{PAGENAME}}.}}

== See also ==
''Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:''

* ''reference to the series of the vehicles;''
* ''links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.''

== External links ==


* [[wt:en/news/5175-development-somua-s-35-shield-of-the-republic-en|[Devblog] SOMUA S.35 - Shield of The Republic]]
* [[wikipedia:SOMUA_S35|[Wikipedia] SOMUA S35]]
* [https://tanks-encyclopedia.com/ww2/france/Somua_S35.php <nowiki>[Tanks Encyclopedia]</nowiki> SOMUA S35]

{{TankManufacturer SOMUA}}
{{France medium tanks}}

SA37 (47 mm)

2023-01-11T20:27:18Z

U83153598: created a description

== Description ==
The SA37 is one of the best guns of a calibre under 50 mm, with it sporting a penetration rate similar to the M61 shell for the M3 cannon featured on most of the [[Sherman]] tanks. Its only notable downside is a lack of high-explosive filler, but a skilled tanker can overcome this handicap by knowing the opponent's armour layout.

=== Vehicles equipped with this weapon ===


* {{Specs-Link|fr_lorraine_37l}}

== General info ==
''Tell us about the tactical and technical characteristics of the cannon or machine gun.''

=== Available ammunition ===


{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="100%"
! colspan="8" | Penetration statistics
|-
! rowspan="2" data-sort-type="text" | Ammunition
! rowspan="2" | Type of warhead
! colspan="6" | Penetration @ 0° Angle of Attack (mm)
|-
! 10 m !! 100 m !! 500 m !! 1,000 m !! 1,500 m !! 2,000 m
|-
| Mle1936 || APCBC || 105 || 102 || 89 || 75 || 63 || 53
|-
|}
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="100%"
! colspan="10" | Shell details
|-
! rowspan="2" data-sort-type="text" | Ammunition
! rowspan="2" | Type of warhead
! rowspan="2" | Velocity (m/s)
! rowspan="2" | Projectile mass (kg)
! rowspan="2" | Fuse delay (m)
! rowspan="2" | Fuse sensitivity (mm)
! rowspan="2" | Explosive mass (TNT equivalent) (g)
! colspan="3" | Ricochet
|-
! 0% !! 50% !! 100%
|-
| Mle1936 || APCBC || 855 || 1.73 || N/A || N/A || N/A || 48° || 63° || 71°
|-
|}

=== Comparison with analogues ===
''Give a comparative description of cannons/machine guns that have firepower equal to this weapon.''

== Usage in battles ==
''Describe the cannon/machine gun in the game - its distinctive features, tactics of usage against notable opponents. Please don't write a "guide" - do not impose a single point of view, but give the reader food for thought.''

=== Pros and cons ===
''Summarise and briefly evaluate the weaponry in terms of its characteristics and combat effectiveness. Mark pros and cons as a list.''

'''Pros:'''

*

'''Cons:'''

*

== History ==
''Examine the history of the creation and combat usage of the weapon in more detail than in the introduction. If the historical reference turns out to be too long, take it to a separate article, taking a link to the article about the weapon and adding a block "/History" (example: <nowiki>https://wiki.warthunder.com/(Weapon-name)/History</nowiki>) and add a link to it here using the <code>main</code> template. Be sure to reference text and sources by using <code><nowiki><ref></ref></nowiki></code>, as well as adding them at the end of the article with <code><nowiki><references /></nowiki></code>.''

== Media ==
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== See also ==
''Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:''

* ''reference to the article about the variant of the cannon/machine gun;''
* ''references to approximate analogues by other nations and research trees.''

== External links ==
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{{France tank cannons}}

[[Category:Tank cannons]]

Browning (7.7 mm)

2023-01-02T11:37:13Z

U83153598: filled out the comparisons and belt usage.

== Description ==

The {{PAGENAME}} is a Browning M1919 machine gun adapted to fire the British .303 round (7.7 mm) and is seen predominantly on British aircraft.

=== Vehicles equipped with this weapon ===

{{Navigation-Start|Vehicles equipped with this weapon}}

{{Navigation-First-Line|'''Fighters'''}}
{{Navigation-Line|Boomerang}}{{Specs-Link|boomerang_mki}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|boomerang_mkii}}
{{Navigation-Line|Gladiator}}{{Specs-Link|gladiator_mk1_china}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|gladiator_mk2}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|gladiator_mk2_france}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|gladiator_mk2_navy}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|gladiator_mk2_silver}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|gladiator_mk2_tuck}}
{{Navigation-Line|Hurricane}}{{Specs-Link|hurricane_mk1}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|hurricane_mk1_late_ep}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|hurricane_mk1_late_finland}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|hurricane_mk1b}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|hurricanemkii}}
{{Navigation-Line|Seafire}}{{Specs-Link|seafire_mk3}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|seafire_mk3_france}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|seafire_mk17}}
{{Navigation-Line|Spitfire Mk I-V}}{{Specs-Link|spitfire_mk1}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|spitfiremkiia}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|spitfiremkiia_ep}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|spitfiremkii}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|spitfire_mk5b_notrop}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|spitfire_mk5b}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|spitfire_mk5b_italy}}
{{Navigation-Line|Spitfire Mk IX-XIV}}{{Specs-Link|spitfire_ix_early}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|spitfire_ix_plagis}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|spitfire_ix_usa}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|spitfire_ix_ussr}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|spitfire_mk9c_iaf}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|spitfire_mk14c}}
{{Navigation-Line|Typhoon}}{{Specs-Link|typhoon_mk1a}}

{{Navigation-First-Line|'''Strike aircraft'''}}{{Specs-Link|beaufighter_mkx}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|hurricane_mk4}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|mosquito_fb_mk6}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|mosquito_fb_mk18}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|mosquito_fb_mk26_china}}

{{Navigation-First-Line|'''Bombers'''}}
{{Navigation-Line|Beaufort}}{{Specs-Link|beaufort_mkviii}} (Defensive)
{{Navigation-Line|Blenheim}}{{Specs-Link|blenheim_mkiv}}
{{Navigation-Line|Boston}}{{Specs-Link|boston_mk_1}}
{{Navigation-Line|Halifax}}{{Specs-Link|halifax_mk3}} (Defensive)
{{Navigation-Line|Hampden}}{{Specs-Link|hp52_hampden_mk1_late}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|hp52_hampden_tbmk1}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|hp52_hampden_tbmk1_ussr_utk1}}
{{Navigation-Line|Havoc}}{{Specs-Link|intruder_mk_1}}
{{Navigation-Line|Hudson}}{{Specs-Link|hudson_mk_v}}
{{Navigation-Line|Lancaster}}{{Specs-Link|lancaster_mk1}} (Defensive){{-}}{{Specs-Link|lancaster_mk3}} (Defensive)
{{Navigation-Line|SB2U}}{{Specs-Link|sb2u-2}}
{{Navigation-Line|Stirling}}{{Specs-Link|stirling_mk1}} (Defensive){{-}}{{Specs-Link|stirling_mk3}} (Defensive)
{{Navigation-Line|Sunderland}}{{Specs-Link|sunderland_mk3a}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|sunderland_mk5}}
{{Navigation-Line|V-156}}{{Specs-Link|v_156_b1}}
{{Navigation-Line|Wellington}}{{Specs-Link|wellington_mk1c}} (Defensive){{-}}{{Specs-Link|wellington_mk1c_luftwaffe}} (Defensive){{-}}{{Specs-Link|wellington_mk1c_late}} (Defensive){{-}}{{Specs-Link|wellington_mk3}} (Defensive){{-}}{{Specs-Link|wellington_mk10}} (Defensive)

{{Navigation-End}}

Note that the SB2U-2, the single American plane armed with the Browning .303, has a unique gun with lower accuracy than the ones found on British planes.

== General info ==
''Tell us about the tactical and technical characteristics of the cannon or machine gun.''

=== Available ammunition ===


* '''Default:''' {{Annotation|T|Tracer}}{{-}}{{Annotation|AP|Armour-piercing}}{{-}}{{Annotation|AP-I|Armour-piercing incendiary}}{{-}}{{Annotation|Ball|Omni-purpose}}{{-}}{{Annotation|I|Incendiary}}
* '''Universal:''' {{Annotation|T|Tracer}}{{-}}{{Annotation|AP|Armour-piercing}}{{-}}{{Annotation|AP-I|Armour-piercing incendiary}}{{-}}{{Annotation|AP-I|Armour-piercing incendiary}}{{-}}{{Annotation|I|Incendiary}}
* '''Tracers:''' {{Annotation|I-T|Incendiary tracer}}{{-}}{{Annotation|AP-I|Armour-piercing incendiary}}{{-}}{{Annotation|I-T|Incendiary tracer}}{{-}}{{Annotation|AP-I|Armour-piercing incendiary}}
* '''Stealth:''' {{Annotation|AP-I|Armour-piercing incendiary}}{{-}}{{Annotation|AP-I|Armour-piercing incendiary}}{{-}}{{Annotation|I|Incendiary}}

The British version of the Browning comes with a very potent incendiary round, which is capable of setting even the toughest adversary alight. The armour-piercing-incendiary round shares this destructiveness, which is why the use of either Stealth or Tracer ammunition belts is recommended. Unlike the original American variant the British Default belt is somewhat usable due to a lower amount of ball rounds, but researching the belts should still be a relatively high priority.

=== Comparison with analogues ===

The 7.7 mm Browning is similar in performance to the American [[Browning (7.62 mm)|7.62 mm Browning]].

{| class="wikitable"
! colspan="7" |Comparable machine guns to Browning (7.7 mm)
|-
!
!Name
!Year of Creation
!Mass
!Rounds Per Minute
!Ammunition
!Feed Type
|-
|▄
|'''Browning (7.7 mm)'''
|1935
|14 kg
|1,000 RPM
|7.7 x 56 mm
|Belt
|-
|▃
|[null Browning (7.62 mm)]
|1919
|14 kg
|1,000 RPM
|7.62 x 63 mm
|Belt
|-
|▅
|[[Type 92 navy (7.7 mm)]]
|1932
|8 kg
|600 RPM
|7.7 x 56 mm R
|Drum
|-
|▄
|[[Darne 1933 (7.5 mm)]]
|1916
|8.4 kg
|1,350 RPM
|7.5 x 54 mm MAS
|Belt
|-
|▄
|[[Breda-SAFAT (7.7 mm)]]
|1935
|12.5 kg
|900 RPM
|7.7 x 56 mm R
|Belt
|-
|▀
|[[MG 17 (7.92 mm)]]
|1934
|10.2 kg
|1,200 RPM
|7.92 x 57 mm
|Belt
|-
|▂
|[[ShKAS (7.62 mm)]]
|1932
|10.5 kg
|1,800 RPM
|7.62 x 54 mm R
|Belt
|-
|▄
|[[MAC 1934 (7.5 mm)]]
|1934
|10.7 kg
|1,350 RPM
|7.5 x 54 mm MAS
|Belt/Magazine
|}

== Usage in battles ==
''Describe the cannon/machine gun in the game - its distinctive features, tactics of usage against notable opponents. Please don't write a "guide" - do not impose a single point of view, but give the reader food for thought.''

=== Pros and cons ===


'''Pros:'''

* High rate of fire
* Tracer belts are composed entirely of incendiary bullets which are effective at setting fires
* Has higher velocity, accuracy and is less prone to jamming than other LMGs such as the [[MG 15 (7.92 mm)|MG 15]] and [[ShKAS (7.62 mm)|ShKAS]]
* On planes with Hispano cannons and Browning machine guns, the .303 tracers can be used to aim the 20 mm shells

'''Cons:'''

* Pitiful damage against aircraft structures such as spars and skin (same as other LMGs)
* High damage drop-off (same as other LMGs)
* Poor stock belts with relatively high ball round content

== History ==
The original main aircraft-mounted machine gun for Britain was the [[Vickers (7.7 mm)|Vickers]], a World War I design that was mostly unchanged from the guns used by the British Army Machine Gun Corps. In the inter-war period, the United States and the United Kingdom both evolved their aircraft designs and recognized it was better if newer aircraft mounted their machine guns on the wings instead of the fuselage. This change would necessitate using a new machine gun which the Air Ministry requested in 1930. In 1931, Colt Firearms in the United States, who collaborated with the Belgian company FN, presented their new aircraft variant of the [[M1919A4 (7.62 mm)|M1919A4 Browning]] Machine Gun to the Air Ministry. The Air Ministry ordered their first 60 Brownings in 1936, but they required some changes to the design. The most significant change is the conversion to open bolt from the original closed bolt design. This change was done to reduce the risk the cordite propellant used in British ammunition would "cook off" or get so hot the gun would start firing on its own. The modification meant the guns could no be synchronized to fire through a propeller, but it was mostly irrelevant due to the switch to wing-mounts.

The Browning was first mounted on biplane fighters like the Gloster [[Gladiator (Family)|Gladiator]] or Hawker [[Fury (Disambiguation)|Fury]], replacing the Vickers guns previously used, but it would more notably used on Britain's primary fighters of the war, the Supermarine [[Spitfire (Family)|Spitfire]] and Hawker [[Hurricane (Family)|Hurricane]]. These new fighters had eight guns based on calculations made by Captain F.W. "Gunner" Hill, who concluded that eight guns each capable of 1,000 rounds per minute would be the optimal armament for future fighters in 1934. However, during the Battle of Britain in 1940, this configuration was found to be obsolete leading to the development of [[Hispano Mk.II (20 mm)|Hispano Mk.II]] cannon for these fighters to provide more firepower. These new cannon armed fighters did however, keep four of the outboard Brownings in place due to the outboard cannons freeze in the air. However, this problem would be fixed near the end of the war with the [[Hispano Mk.V (20 mm)|Hispano Mk.V]] which would lead to the Browning being phased out.

Along with their fighters, the .303 Browning was used in fixed mounts on the Fairey Fulmar naval reconnaissance aircraft and early models of their bombers such as the Bristol [[Blenheim Mk IV|Blenheim]], Fairey Battle, Handley Page [[Hampden (Family)|Hampden]], the American lend-lease Martin Maryland and Baltimore, Fairey [[Swordfish Mk I|Swordfish]], American Lockheed [[Hudson Mk V (Great Britain)|Hudson]] and Douglas [[Boston Mk I (Great Britain)|Boston]], Blackburn Skua, and Bristol [[Beaufort Mk VIII|Beaufort]]. It was also used in electrically-operated turrets made by Boulton Paul and Nash & Thompson, and continued to see use in the fighter-bombers and night fighters of the de Havillard [[Mosquito (Family)|Mosquito]] aircraft even after it began getting phased for the Hispano cannons.Thanks to lend-lease, the USSR also get to use the .303 Brownings on the [[Hurricane Mk IIB (USSR)|Hurricane Mk IIB]] <nowiki/>and fighters of the Hurricane design. According to Soviet pilots, it was as reliable as their own [[ShKAS (7.62 mm)|ShKAS]] machine guns, but frequently failed when exposed to dust required cloth covers for the feeding and ejector port.

== Media ==


;Videos
{{Youtube-gallery|cCkvyjGQ2xg|'''Britain's aircraft-mounted .303 Browning machine gun with weapons expert Jonathan Ferguson''' - ''Royal Armouries''|jqq3Jf3Jpxo|'''British .303 Browning Mk II* Aircraft Machine Gun''' - ''Forgotten Weapons''}}

== See also ==
''Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:''

* ''reference to the article about the variant of the cannon/machine gun;''
* ''references to approximate analogues by other nations and research trees.''

== External links ==
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{{Aircraft machine guns}}
[[Category:Aircraft machine guns]]

D.520

2023-01-02T11:12:10Z

U83153598: This part of the description is false. It is also inconsistent with other parts of this wiki which state its direct predecessor (the M.S.406C1) was a "fair match for the Bf 109". TL;DR: A wehraboo got his hands on this wiki page.

{{About
| about = French fighter '''{{PAGENAME}}'''
| usage = other versions
| link = D.520 (Family)
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{{Specs-Card
|code=d_520_france
|images={{Specs-Card-Image|GarageImage_{{PAGENAME}}.jpg|ArtImage_{{PAGENAME}}.jpg}}
}}

== Description ==

The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a rank {{Specs|rank}} French fighter {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update 1.73 "Vive la France"]]. In its early development, the Dewoitine D.520 was marred by official interference. The D.520 was the best fighter France had during the German invasion of 1940 and it was a fair match for the German Bf 109, with it having the maneuverability the faster German fighters lacked. Its pilots fought with great bravery and skill to bring respectability to the type during the Battle of France and the plane served along both sides in the war, with both the Vichy and Free French air forces possessing a number of the aircraft.

== General info ==
=== Flight performance ===
{{Specs-Avia-Flight}}

Due to the D.520's mediocre handling, each scenario must be exploited to the best for the maximum efficiency from the plane. However, maintaining a high speed with the aircraft is essential to do well in common dog-fighting tactics such as Boom & Zoom and Turn & Burn.

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="70%"
! rowspan="2" | Characteristics
! colspan="2" | Max Speed (km/h at 5,000 m)
! rowspan="2" | Max altitude (metres)
! colspan="2" | Turn time (seconds)
! colspan="2" | Rate of climb (metres/second)
! rowspan="2" | Take-off run (metres)
|-
! AB !! RB !! AB !! RB !! AB !! RB
|-
! Stock
| 529 || 515 || rowspan="2" | {{Specs|ceiling}} || 21.1 || 21.9 || 7.1 || 7.1 || rowspan="2" | 300
|-
! Upgraded
| 571 || 550 || 19.0 || 20.0 || 13.6 || 10.0
|-
|}

==== Details ====
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="50%"
|-
! colspan="5" | Features
|-
! Combat flaps !! Take-off flaps !! Landing flaps !! Air brakes !! Arrestor gear
|-
| ✓ || ✓ || ✓ || X || X 
|-
|}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="50%"
|-
! colspan="7" | Limits
|-
! rowspan="2" | Wings (km/h)
! rowspan="2" | Gear (km/h)
! colspan="3" | Flaps (km/h)
! colspan="2" | Max Static G
|-
! Combat !! Take-off !! Landing !! + !! -
|-
| 800  || {{Specs|destruction|gear}} || 385 || 365 || 280 || ~12 || ~9
|-
|}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="4" | Optimal velocities (km/h)
|-
! Ailerons !! Rudder !! Elevators !! Radiator
|-
| < 370 || < 400 || < 430 || > 340
|-
|}

=== Survivability and armour ===
{{Specs-Avia-Armour}}


* 38 mm Bulletproof glass in front of pilot.
* 8 mm Steel plate behind pilot.
* 3 mm Steel box behind pilot's head.

=== Modifications and economy ===
{{Specs-Economy}}

== Armaments ==
{{Specs-Avia-Armaments}}
=== Offensive armament ===
{{Specs-Avia-Offensive}}

{{main|Hispano 404 (20 mm)|MAC 1934 (7.5 mm)}}

The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' is armed with:

* 1 x 20 mm Hispano 404 cannon, nose-mounted (60 rpg)
* 4 x 7.5 mm MAC 1934 machine guns, wing-mounted (675 rpg = 2,700 total)

== Usage in battles ==

This fighter is the classic "jack of all trades, master of none". It can be an energy fighter, bomber hunter, or even a turn-fighter. It depends on your playstyle, and the kinds of enemy aircraft that are encountered.

The main purpose of the D.520 is the role of an interceptor/fighter. It has no bombing capability and thus stands limited to aerial combat. In this respect there are a few things to consider, first and foremost that this is a fighter that does not do great away from a squad. It has mediocre flight characteristics as far as speed, climb and turn is concerned. It is however quite well armoured to compensate for such, meaning that it will stay air-worthy where other aircraft would crash, and instead stands a fighter which is effective in engagements where it has support to rely on. Without such support, it is a very situational plane which can engage certain enemies depending on advantage in altitude, speed, or sometimes even a turning radius. It has a respectable armament of one powerful Hispano 20 mm cannon with a very limited ammunition load (60 rounds), and four 7.5 mm guns with a good deal of ammunition which makes it competitive in Realistic battles. Its strong airframe is able to withstand significant wind resistance making it potent in a longer dive. Despite its limited attributes it handles fairly comfortably and thus can be a real asset to a pilot which employs situational awareness combined with an in depth understanding of the enemy aircraft he will choose to either engage or avoid. It has a potent incendiary tracer round for its machine guns and the Hispano makes it pack a fairly significant punch despite its limited cannon ammunition. The D.520 is best considered a heavier single-seat fighter aircraft which can out-endure other enemy squads due to its armour, but not out-turn, out-run, or out-gun many other types of aircraft on its own rank.

Once the weaponry upgrades are unlocked, it's recommended to use the tracer belt for the 7.5 mm guns and the "Stealth" for the Hispano cannon. Since there are no Air targets belt for the cannon, the Stealth have the strongest punch. Be very careful with the cannon ammo, only fire in controlled bursts with 2-3 shots. Do not use the cannon at longer range because of the limited ammo and the inaccuracy. Use the machine guns to help when aiming the Hispano.

The D.520 is capable for bomber hunting. It has good armour, not too bad climb rate, and the combination of the single 20 mm and four machine guns can easily destroy low rank bombers.

Enemies worth noting:

* [[Bf 109 (Family)|Bf 109s]]: This plane is one of the D.520's most dangerous enemies. They can out-run you in level flight, but your turn rate is better, even without using combat flaps. So, the classic dogfight is the only way to counter them.

* [[A6M2]]/[[A6M3]]: As always, never go in a turnfight with them. The D.520 can easily out-run the Zero in a shallow dive or even in level flight. Head-ons are recommended, because the Hispano cannon can have devastating impact on their weak airframes, and the MGs are capable of causing fires.

* [[Spitfire (Family)|Spitfires]]: The D.520 is less likely to face them, but sometimes you need to fight with these excellent fighters. They are out-perform you almost all aspects. They have equal or better turn rate, comparable weaponry, better climb rate, and better speed. You have the least disadvantage in a turnfight, so bait the Spitfire into a low-altitude dogfight, and make him lose as much energy as possible. Now, you have a chance to get him from his six, and at this point you and your opponent both are "slow and low", so it's going to be an easy job for the friendly fighters to take him down, but you are good target for the enemy too, so be careful.

* [[F4U (Family)|F4U]]: These are quite common to face. You can out-turn them, but don't try anything else, almost all American fighters can catch you, especially in dive.
* [[P-38E]]: Same as the F4U; turn-fight them to bleed their speed, but don't try anything else, as the P-38 is faster, and has a deadly armament of 4 x 12.7 mms, and the feared AN/M2 20 mm.

=== Manual Engine Control ===
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="7" | MEC elements
|-
! rowspan="2" | Mixer
! rowspan="2" | Pitch
! colspan="3" | Radiator
! rowspan="2" | Supercharger
! rowspan="2" | Turbocharger
|-
! Oil !! Water !! Type
|-
| Controllable || Controllable Not auto controlled || Controllable Not auto controlled || Controllable Not auto controlled || Separate || Not controllable 1 gear || Not controllable
|-
|}

=== Pros and cons ===


'''Pros:'''

* Powerful 20 mm cannon
* Plenty of ammo for the machine guns
* Tracer belts are made up entirely of incendiary tracers; great fire starters, especially for fabric-covered aircraft
* Fairly good armour
* Quite manoeuvrable
* Respectable turn time

'''Cons:'''

* Very little ammo for the 20 mm cannon (60 rounds)
* Relatively poor rate of climb
* Very situational aircraft
* Takes a lot of machine gun rounds to shoot down a enemy plane if you run out of cannon ammo

== History ==

Widely regarded as the the best fighter of French origin to emerge during World War 2, the Dewoitine D.520's combat carrier had two main phases. After the fall of France, large numbers of the type were sent to Africa and some took part in the 1941 Syrian campaign against the British and Free French forces. Fighting alongside the German Luftwaffe, the D.520's pilots were involved in the fight against the Allies during the Operation Torch landings in November, 1942. After the victory of the Allies, a large number of D.520 pilots decided to change sides and fight for the Allies. The type was extensively used by Luftwaffe fighter schools as trainers, this shows the desperation faced by that service late in the war. Accident rates among students were very high.

=== Power-plant ===
The D.520 was powered by either the Hispano-Suiza 12Y-45 or 12Y-49 engines, rated at 850 hp (634 kW) and 820 hp (612 kW) respectively. Each engine drove a different propeller. The D.520 underwent trials for the more powerfull 12Y-51 (D.523) and 12Z-89ter (D.524) engines although neither were accepted.

=== Armament ===
Compared to other French fighters at the time, the Dewoitine D.520 was relatively well armed. Its armament consisted of one Hispano-Suiza HS404 20 mm cannon with 60 rounds, and four wing-mounted 7.5 mm MAC 1934 machine guns, each with 675 rounds of ammunition.

=== Cockpit ===
The D.520's cockpit was set well in aft, giving it excellent downward vision in flight. However, taxiing was quite a tricky task. It required the pilot to weave to retain a semblance of forward visibility.

=== The D.520 over France ===
The D.520 fought with great distinction during the Battle of France. There were a number of notable victories against the Luftwaffe in the North, including the shooting down of the leading Luftwaffe ace Werner Mölders. In the South, the D.520's scored easy kills against the Italians who joined the war on the 10th of June. France's only "ace in a day" was Pierre Le Gloan, who shot down four CR.42s and a BR.20 in a single sortie in a D.520 on the 15th of June.

== Media ==


;Skins

* [https://live.warthunder.com/feed/camouflages/?vehicle=d_520_france Skins and camouflages for the {{PAGENAME}} from live.warthunder.com.]

== See also ==
''Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:''

* ''reference to the series of the aircraft;''
* ''links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.''

== External links ==


* [https://warisboring.com/42448-2/ <nowiki>[War is Boring]</nowiki> France's D.520 Fighter Flew for Many Sides in World War II] ([https://web.archive.org/web/20210511184017/https://warisboring.com/42448-2/ Web Archive])
* [https://www.aviastar.org/air/france/dewoitine_d-520.php <nowiki>[aviastar.org]</nowiki> Dewoitine D 520] ([https://web.archive.org/web/20210511184204/https://www.aviastar.org/air/france/dewoitine_d-520.php Web Archive])
* [http://www.historyofwar.org/articles/weapons_dewoitine_d520.html <nowiki>[History Of War]</nowiki> Dewoitine D.520] ([https://web.archive.org/web/20210511184404/http://www.historyofwar.org/articles/weapons_dewoitine_d520.html Web Archive])

{{AirManufacturer Dewoitine}}
{{France fighters}}

Browning (7.62 mm)

2022-12-31T13:50:50Z

U83153598: added General Info, Usage in Battles and Analogue Comparison

== Description ==

The '''7.62 mm Browning''' is an aircraft machine gun used on a large variety of American aircraft. Based on the [[M1919A4 (7.62 mm)|M1919A4]] variant of the machine gun, the aircraft version saw modifications to the design to keep weight at a minimum, such as a thinner barrel and receiver walls. The official terminology of the aircraft version of the Browning was .30 AN/M2 (not to be confused with the [[AN-M2 (12.7 mm)|.50 AN/M2]]) and its elongated designation was Browning Machine Gun, Cal. .30, M2, Aircraft.

=== Vehicles equipped with this weapon ===


{{Navigation-Start|Vehicles equipped with this weapon}}

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{{Navigation-Line|F3F}}{{Specs-Link|f3f-2}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|f3f-2_galer}}
{{Navigation-Line|Hawk}}{{Specs-Link|hawk_iii}}
{{Navigation-Line|P-26}}{{Specs-Link|p-26a_33}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|p-26a_34}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|p-26a_34_m2}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|p-26b_35}}
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{{Navigation-Line|P-40}}{{Specs-Link|p-40c}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|p-40c_china}}
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{{Navigation-First-Line|'''Twin-engine fighters'''}}{{Specs-Link|xf5f}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|yp-38}}

{{Navigation-First-Line|'''Strike aircraft'''}}{{Specs-Link|v_11g}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|v_12d}} (Defensive)

{{Navigation-First-Line|'''Bombers'''}}
{{Navigation-Line|A-29}}{{Specs-Link|a_29_hudson}}
{{Navigation-Line|B-10}}{{Specs-Link|b_10b}} (Defensive)
{{Navigation-Line|B-17}}{{Specs-Link|b-17e}} (Defensive){{-}}{{Specs-Link|b-17e_japan}} (Defensive){{-}}{{Specs-Link|b-17e_late}} (Defensive)
{{Navigation-Line|B-18}}{{Specs-Link|b_18a}} (Defensive)
{{Navigation-Line|B-34}}{{Specs-Link|b_34}}
{{Navigation-Line|Martin 139}}{{Specs-Link|martin_139wc}} (Defensive)
{{Navigation-Line|OS2U}}{{Specs-Link|os2u_1}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|os2u_3}}
{{Navigation-Line|PBY-5}}{{Specs-Link|pby-5}} (Defensive){{-}}{{Specs-Link|pby-5a}} (Defensive){{-}}{{Specs-Link|pby-5a_ussr}} (Defensive){{-}}{{Specs-Link|pby-5a_raf}} (Defensive)
{{Navigation-Line|SB2C}}{{Specs-Link|sb2c_1c}} (Defensive){{-}}{{Specs-Link|sb2c_4}} (Defensive){{-}}{{Specs-Link|sb2c_5_france}} (Defensive)
{{Navigation-Line|SBD-3}}{{Specs-Link|sbd-3}} (Defensive)
{{Navigation-Line|SOC-1}}{{Specs-Link|soc_1}}
{{Navigation-Line|TBD-1}}{{Specs-Link|tbd-1_1938}} (Defensive)
{{Navigation-Line|TBF-1}}{{Specs-Link|tbf-1c}} (Defensive){{-}}{{Specs-Link|avenger_mk1}} (Defensive)

{{Navigation-First-Line|'''Attack helicopters'''}}{{Specs-Link|h_34}} (Suspended){{-}}{{Specs-Link|h_34_france}} (Suspended)

{{Navigation-End}}

== General info ==
This machine gun is one of the most well-rounded plane-mounted rifle-calibre machine guns. Though not as deadly as its 12.7mm sibling, this weapon is still a good asset in destroying your enemies with its characteristically large ammo reserve and high rate of fire. The accuracy of this gun is also to be admired, as it can still reliably hit a well-aimed shot at 700 metres of distance. The configuration of the firearm also allows it to be synchronized with your propeller, making the fuselage-mounted version very stable. The gun however is very limited by its calibre, with its AP rounds lacking in destructive power.

=== Available ammunition ===


* '''Default:''' {{Annotation|T|Tracer}}{{-}}{{Annotation|Ball|Omni-purpose}}{{-}}{{Annotation|Ball|Omni-purpose}}{{-}}{{Annotation|Ball|Omni-purpose}}{{-}}{{Annotation|AP|Armour-piercing}}{{-}}{{Annotation|I|Incendiary}}
* '''Universal:''' {{Annotation|T|Tracer}}{{-}}{{Annotation|AP|Armour-piercing}}{{-}}{{Annotation|I|Incendiary}}
* '''Tracers:''' {{Annotation|AP|Armour-piercing}}{{-}}{{Annotation|T|Tracer}}{{-}}{{Annotation|T|Tracer}}{{-}}{{Annotation|T|Tracer}}{{-}}{{Annotation|T|Tracer}}
* '''Stealth:''' {{Annotation|AP|Armour-piercing}}{{-}}{{Annotation|AP|Armour-piercing}}{{-}}{{Annotation|AP|Armour-piercing}}{{-}}{{Annotation|I|Incendiary}}{{-}}{{Annotation|I|Incendiary}}
* '''Default (turret):''' {{Annotation|T|Tracer}}{{-}}{{Annotation|Ball|Omni-purpose}}{{-}}{{Annotation|Ball|Omni-purpose}}{{-}}{{Annotation|AP|Armour-piercing}}{{-}}{{Annotation|I|Incendiary}}
* '''Armoured targets (turret):''' {{Annotation|T|Tracer}}{{-}}{{Annotation|AP|Armour-piercing}}{{-}}{{Annotation|AP|Armour-piercing}}{{-}}{{Annotation|AP|Armour-piercing}}{{-}}{{Annotation|I|Incendiary}}

The Browning is equipped with a relatively basic set of belts, however (unlike on the British variants of this machine gun) the Tracer belt is not made up of incendiary rounds, making Stealth or Universal the superior option. It is recommended to research the belts for this weapon as soon as possible on fighters, as the default belt is mostly made up of the highly ineffective ball round which can leave the impression of shooting blanks.

=== Comparison with analogues ===
{| class="wikitable"
! colspan="7" |Comparable machine guns to Browning (7.62 mm)
|-
!
!Name
!Year of Creation
!Mass
!Rounds Per Minute
!Ammunition
!Feed Type
|-
|▃
|[[Browning (7.62 mm)]]
|1919
|14 kg
|1,000 RPM
|7.62 x 63 mm
|Belt
|-
|▅
|[[Type 92 navy (7.7 mm)]]
|1932
|8 kg
|600 RPM
|7.7 x 56 mm R
|Drum
|-
|▄
|[[Darne 1933 (7.5 mm)]]
|1916
|8.4 kg
|1,350 RPM
|7.5 x 54 mm MAS
|Belt
|-
|▄
|[[Breda-SAFAT (7.7 mm)]]
|1935
|12.5 kg
|900 RPM
|7.7 x 56 mm R
|Belt
|-
|▀
|[[MG 17 (7.92 mm)]]
|1934
|10.2 kg
|1,200 RPM
|7.92 x 57 mm
|Belt
|-
|▂
|[[ShKAS (7.62 mm)]]
|1932
|10.5 kg
|1,800 RPM
|7.62 x 54 mm R
|Belt
|-
|▄
|[[MAC 1934 (7.5 mm)]]
|1934
|10.7 kg
|1,350 RPM
|7.5 x 54 mm MAS
|Belt/Magazine
|}

== Usage in battles ==
The classic Browning machine gun is the most used rifle-calibre machine gun in War Thunder, with its FN-produced variations being used across many other nations. This desirability originates from its stable gun platform, high rate of fire and its widely adaptable nature. In combat this gun marks the exact middle of the road between individual bullet strength (for rifle-calibre rounds that is) and rate of fire, with it being a jack of all trades but a master of none. This makes the gun very versatile, being effective in various playstyles and situations. The outstanding feature of the gun is however the incendiary round, which is able to send even the toughest opponents into a burning descent. This round is however quite rarely used in the US ammunition belts, making it relatively weaker compared to its British counterpart. The gun is well-rounded for low-tier combat situations, with its large ammo count making it very forgiving to use. The gun does not jam very fast, however it is recommended to not overestimate this resistance and keep to firing medium bursts with minor intervals to let the guns cool down.

For fighters, its primary use is in destroying other fighters which at lower ranks have insufficient armor to stop it. You are most effective when aiming for the fuselage, as engine ignition and pilot-sniping are often faster than trying to rip off a wing. Bombers and rear-turreted strike aircraft are significantly harder to strike down because its lack of incendiary rounds can really hurt your performance and rear-turrets can pose a real threat if manually aimed by the enemy pilot.

The turreted version however is less effective, and needs precise aiming to be effective. It is only effective if aimed straight into a vital part of a plane and is usually ineffective beyond a range of 500 metres. It can take down planes if you play your cards well, but do not expect too much of its small calibre. Extensive usage is not recommended, as it leaves you flying in a straight line; wisely time your bursts so you won't hit any obstacle or get shot down.

It however is outshined by its 12.7mm M2 counterpart, which although lacking in rate of fire has per-bullet power that the Browning cannot match. It also lacks any effectiveness against tanks, whose armor will block all your rounds. Even very light roof armor effectively denies all damage, so the only vulnerable ground targets are SPGs, open-topped Tank Destroyers and unaware SPAA vehicles. This last target is however not recommended as most SPAA have the means to easily take you down.

Generally the Browning is a good machine gun to start learning to aim with, as it displays no large difference with any other gun of its calibre. It combines all aspects which make a good machine gun and turns it into a well-rounded and versatile option to learn the ropes with.

=== Pros and cons ===


'''Pros:'''

* Fast rate of fire
* High ammo count
* Able to destroy many of the early tier planes which are faced

'''Cons:'''

* Unable to penetrate tanks
* Little power compared to [[M2 Browning (12.7 mm)]] and other high calibre machine guns
* Ball ammo in the default belt is rather ineffective

== History ==

The Browning Machine Gun, Cal .30, M2, Aircraft as it was designated is an aircraft variant of the [[M1919A4 (7.62 mm)|Browning M1919A4]]. Starting out as a water-cooled machine gun used by the American Expeditionary Forces in World War I, legendary gunsmith John Moses Browning, who designed the M1917, first built the air-cooled M1919 for use on tanks. With the aid of Fabrique Nationale de Herstal, a Belgian based firearms company, Browning's design was re-designed to arm American aircraft. Using the M1919A4 model as a base, the new .30 M2/AN was a widely adopted fixed and flexible machine gun. To reduce weight, the receiver wall and operating mechanism was made thinner and the barrel was also made lighter and thinner due to the natural air-cooling that operating an aircraft at high speeds would provide. The M2/AN was two-thirds the weight of the original M1919A4 as a result of the modifications while the lighter mechanism increased the rate of fire to 1,200-1,500 rpm compared to the M1919's 400-600 rpm. The higher rate of fire was required due the high speed opponents the gun would be used to shoot down. In the flexible configuration, the Browning was used in a twin mount configuration offering a combined cyclic rate of 2,400 rpm. The Brownings were used on both Army and Navy aircraft during World War II (hence the AN designation for the two services), but they were withdrawn starting in 1943 due to being obsolete against modern aircraft. As an aircraft machine gun, it was noted for wounding Japanese flying ace Saburō Sakai when he attempted to attack 8 [[SBD-3]] Dauntless dive bombers from behind.

An interesting footnote in the M2/AN's history is the M2 "Stinger" modification. First seeing use during the Bougainville Campaign in 1943, the "Stinger" were salvaged aircraft Brownings with bi-pods mounted that were later more extensively modified with a custom trigger, the buttstock from a M1 Garand rifle, and the bi-pod and rear sights of a M1918 BAR machine gun. The Marines would use this modification throughout the Pacific and it was at one recommended to replace the BAR, but the war ended shortly after. Marine Corporal Tony Stein received a posthumous Medal of Honor for his actions with a "Stinger" on Iwo Jima in 1945.

== Media ==
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[[Category:Aircraft machine guns]]

Browning (7.7 mm)

2022-12-31T12:38:16Z

U83153598: /* History */

== Description ==

The {{PAGENAME}} is a Browning M1919 machine gun adapted to fire the British .303 round (7.7 mm) and is seen predominantly on British aircraft.

=== Vehicles equipped with this weapon ===

{{Navigation-Start|Vehicles equipped with this weapon}}

{{Navigation-First-Line|'''Fighters'''}}
{{Navigation-Line|Boomerang}}{{Specs-Link|boomerang_mki}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|boomerang_mkii}}
{{Navigation-Line|Gladiator}}{{Specs-Link|gladiator_mk1_china}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|gladiator_mk2}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|gladiator_mk2_france}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|gladiator_mk2_navy}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|gladiator_mk2_silver}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|gladiator_mk2_tuck}}
{{Navigation-Line|Hurricane}}{{Specs-Link|hurricane_mk1}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|hurricane_mk1_late_ep}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|hurricane_mk1_late_finland}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|hurricane_mk1b}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|hurricanemkii}}
{{Navigation-Line|Seafire}}{{Specs-Link|seafire_mk3}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|seafire_mk3_france}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|seafire_mk17}}
{{Navigation-Line|Spitfire Mk I-V}}{{Specs-Link|spitfire_mk1}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|spitfiremkiia}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|spitfiremkiia_ep}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|spitfiremkii}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|spitfire_mk5b_notrop}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|spitfire_mk5b}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|spitfire_mk5b_italy}}
{{Navigation-Line|Spitfire Mk IX-XIV}}{{Specs-Link|spitfire_ix_early}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|spitfire_ix_plagis}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|spitfire_ix_usa}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|spitfire_ix_ussr}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|spitfire_mk9c_iaf}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|spitfire_mk14c}}
{{Navigation-Line|Typhoon}}{{Specs-Link|typhoon_mk1a}}

{{Navigation-First-Line|'''Strike aircraft'''}}{{Specs-Link|beaufighter_mkx}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|hurricane_mk4}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|mosquito_fb_mk6}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|mosquito_fb_mk18}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|mosquito_fb_mk26_china}}

{{Navigation-First-Line|'''Bombers'''}}
{{Navigation-Line|Beaufort}}{{Specs-Link|beaufort_mkviii}} (Defensive)
{{Navigation-Line|Blenheim}}{{Specs-Link|blenheim_mkiv}}
{{Navigation-Line|Boston}}{{Specs-Link|boston_mk_1}}
{{Navigation-Line|Halifax}}{{Specs-Link|halifax_mk3}} (Defensive)
{{Navigation-Line|Hampden}}{{Specs-Link|hp52_hampden_mk1_late}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|hp52_hampden_tbmk1}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|hp52_hampden_tbmk1_ussr_utk1}}
{{Navigation-Line|Havoc}}{{Specs-Link|intruder_mk_1}}
{{Navigation-Line|Hudson}}{{Specs-Link|hudson_mk_v}}
{{Navigation-Line|Lancaster}}{{Specs-Link|lancaster_mk1}} (Defensive){{-}}{{Specs-Link|lancaster_mk3}} (Defensive)
{{Navigation-Line|SB2U}}{{Specs-Link|sb2u-2}}
{{Navigation-Line|Stirling}}{{Specs-Link|stirling_mk1}} (Defensive){{-}}{{Specs-Link|stirling_mk3}} (Defensive)
{{Navigation-Line|Sunderland}}{{Specs-Link|sunderland_mk3a}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|sunderland_mk5}}
{{Navigation-Line|V-156}}{{Specs-Link|v_156_b1}}
{{Navigation-Line|Wellington}}{{Specs-Link|wellington_mk1c}} (Defensive){{-}}{{Specs-Link|wellington_mk1c_luftwaffe}} (Defensive){{-}}{{Specs-Link|wellington_mk1c_late}} (Defensive){{-}}{{Specs-Link|wellington_mk3}} (Defensive){{-}}{{Specs-Link|wellington_mk10}} (Defensive)

{{Navigation-End}}

Note that the SB2U-2, the single American plane armed with the Browning .303, has a unique gun with lower accuracy than the ones found on British planes.

== General info ==
''Tell us about the tactical and technical characteristics of the cannon or machine gun.''

=== Available ammunition ===


* '''Default:''' {{Annotation|T|Tracer}}{{-}}{{Annotation|AP|Armour-piercing}}{{-}}{{Annotation|AP-I|Armour-piercing incendiary}}{{-}}{{Annotation|Ball|Omni-purpose}}{{-}}{{Annotation|I|Incendiary}}
* '''Universal:''' {{Annotation|T|Tracer}}{{-}}{{Annotation|AP|Armour-piercing}}{{-}}{{Annotation|AP-I|Armour-piercing incendiary}}{{-}}{{Annotation|AP-I|Armour-piercing incendiary}}{{-}}{{Annotation|I|Incendiary}}
* '''Tracers:''' {{Annotation|I-T|Incendiary tracer}}{{-}}{{Annotation|AP-I|Armour-piercing incendiary}}{{-}}{{Annotation|I-T|Incendiary tracer}}{{-}}{{Annotation|AP-I|Armour-piercing incendiary}}
* '''Stealth:''' {{Annotation|AP-I|Armour-piercing incendiary}}{{-}}{{Annotation|AP-I|Armour-piercing incendiary}}{{-}}{{Annotation|I|Incendiary}}

=== Comparison with analogues ===

The 7.7 mm Browning is similar in performance to the American [[Browning (7.62 mm)|7.62 mm Browning]].

== Usage in battles ==
''Describe the cannon/machine gun in the game - its distinctive features, tactics of usage against notable opponents. Please don't write a "guide" - do not impose a single point of view, but give the reader food for thought.''

=== Pros and cons ===


'''Pros:'''

* High rate of fire
* Tracer belts are composed entirely of incendiary bullets which are effective at setting fires
* Has higher velocity, accuracy and is less prone to jamming than other LMGs such as the [[MG 15 (7.92 mm)|MG 15]] and [[ShKAS (7.62 mm)|ShKAS]]
* On planes with Hispano cannons and Browning machine guns, the .303 tracers can be used to aim the 20 mm shells

'''Cons:'''

* Pitiful damage against aircraft structures such as spars and skin (same as other LMGs)
* High damage drop-off (same as other LMGs)
* Poor stock belts with relatively high ball round content

== History ==
The original main aircraft-mounted machine gun for Britain was the [[Vickers (7.7 mm)|Vickers]], a World War I design that was mostly unchanged from the guns used by the British Army Machine Gun Corps. In the inter-war period, the United States and the United Kingdom both evolved their aircraft designs and recognized it was better if newer aircraft mounted their machine guns on the wings instead of the fuselage. This change would necessitate using a new machine gun which the Air Ministry requested in 1930. In 1931, Colt Firearms in the United States, who collaborated with the Belgian company FN, presented their new aircraft variant of the [[M1919A4 (7.62 mm)|M1919A4 Browning]] Machine Gun to the Air Ministry. The Air Ministry ordered their first 60 Brownings in 1936, but they required some changes to the design. The most significant change is the conversion to open bolt from the original closed bolt design. This change was done to reduce the risk the cordite propellant used in British ammunition would "cook off" or get so hot the gun would start firing on its own. The modification meant the guns could no be synchronized to fire through a propeller, but it was mostly irrelevant due to the switch to wing-mounts.

The Browning was first mounted on biplane fighters like the Gloster [[Gladiator (Family)|Gladiator]] or Hawker [[Fury (Disambiguation)|Fury]], replacing the Vickers guns previously used, but it would more notably used on Britain's primary fighters of the war, the Supermarine [[Spitfire (Family)|Spitfire]] and Hawker [[Hurricane (Family)|Hurricane]]. These new fighters had eight guns based on calculations made by Captain F.W. "Gunner" Hill, who concluded that eight guns each capable of 1,000 rounds per minute would be the optimal armament for future fighters in 1934. However, during the Battle of Britain in 1940, this configuration was found to be obsolete leading to the development of [[Hispano Mk.II (20 mm)|Hispano Mk.II]] cannon for these fighters to provide more firepower. These new cannon armed fighters did however, keep four of the outboard Brownings in place due to the outboard cannons freeze in the air. However, this problem would be fixed near the end of the war with the [[Hispano Mk.V (20 mm)|Hispano Mk.V]] which would lead to the Browning being phased out.

Along with their fighters, the .303 Browning was used in fixed mounts on the Fairey Fulmar naval reconnaissance aircraft and early models of their bombers such as the Bristol [[Blenheim Mk IV|Blenheim]], Fairey Battle, Handley Page [[Hampden (Family)|Hampden]], the American lend-lease Martin Maryland and Baltimore, Fairey [[Swordfish Mk I|Swordfish]], American Lockheed [[Hudson Mk V (Great Britain)|Hudson]] and Douglas [[Boston Mk I (Great Britain)|Boston]], Blackburn Skua, and Bristol [[Beaufort Mk VIII|Beaufort]]. It was also used in electrically-operated turrets made by Boulton Paul and Nash & Thompson, and continued to see use in the fighter-bombers and night fighters of the de Havillard [[Mosquito (Family)|Mosquito]] aircraft even after it began getting phased for the Hispano cannons.Thanks to lend-lease, the USSR also get to use the .303 Brownings on the [[Hurricane Mk IIB (USSR)|Hurricane Mk IIB]] <nowiki/>and fighters of the Hurricane design. According to Soviet pilots, it was as reliable as their own [[ShKAS (7.62 mm)|ShKAS]] machine guns, but frequently failed when exposed to dust required cloth covers for the feeding and ejector port.

== Media ==


;Videos
{{Youtube-gallery|cCkvyjGQ2xg|'''Britain's aircraft-mounted .303 Browning machine gun with weapons expert Jonathan Ferguson''' - ''Royal Armouries''|jqq3Jf3Jpxo|'''British .303 Browning Mk II* Aircraft Machine Gun''' - ''Forgotten Weapons''}}

== See also ==
''Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:''

* ''reference to the article about the variant of the cannon/machine gun;''
* ''references to approximate analogues by other nations and research trees.''

== External links ==
''Paste links to sources and external resources, such as:''

* ''topic on the official game forum;''
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{{Aircraft machine guns}}
[[Category:Aircraft machine guns]]

Browning (7.7 mm)

2022-12-31T12:37:47Z

U83153598: wrong timestamp, the battle of Britain was not in 1934

== Description ==

The {{PAGENAME}} is a Browning M1919 machine gun adapted to fire the British .303 round (7.7 mm) and is seen predominantly on British aircraft.

=== Vehicles equipped with this weapon ===

{{Navigation-Start|Vehicles equipped with this weapon}}

{{Navigation-First-Line|'''Fighters'''}}
{{Navigation-Line|Boomerang}}{{Specs-Link|boomerang_mki}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|boomerang_mkii}}
{{Navigation-Line|Gladiator}}{{Specs-Link|gladiator_mk1_china}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|gladiator_mk2}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|gladiator_mk2_france}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|gladiator_mk2_navy}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|gladiator_mk2_silver}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|gladiator_mk2_tuck}}
{{Navigation-Line|Hurricane}}{{Specs-Link|hurricane_mk1}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|hurricane_mk1_late_ep}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|hurricane_mk1_late_finland}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|hurricane_mk1b}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|hurricanemkii}}
{{Navigation-Line|Seafire}}{{Specs-Link|seafire_mk3}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|seafire_mk3_france}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|seafire_mk17}}
{{Navigation-Line|Spitfire Mk I-V}}{{Specs-Link|spitfire_mk1}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|spitfiremkiia}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|spitfiremkiia_ep}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|spitfiremkii}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|spitfire_mk5b_notrop}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|spitfire_mk5b}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|spitfire_mk5b_italy}}
{{Navigation-Line|Spitfire Mk IX-XIV}}{{Specs-Link|spitfire_ix_early}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|spitfire_ix_plagis}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|spitfire_ix_usa}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|spitfire_ix_ussr}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|spitfire_mk9c_iaf}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|spitfire_mk14c}}
{{Navigation-Line|Typhoon}}{{Specs-Link|typhoon_mk1a}}

{{Navigation-First-Line|'''Strike aircraft'''}}{{Specs-Link|beaufighter_mkx}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|hurricane_mk4}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|mosquito_fb_mk6}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|mosquito_fb_mk18}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|mosquito_fb_mk26_china}}

{{Navigation-First-Line|'''Bombers'''}}
{{Navigation-Line|Beaufort}}{{Specs-Link|beaufort_mkviii}} (Defensive)
{{Navigation-Line|Blenheim}}{{Specs-Link|blenheim_mkiv}}
{{Navigation-Line|Boston}}{{Specs-Link|boston_mk_1}}
{{Navigation-Line|Halifax}}{{Specs-Link|halifax_mk3}} (Defensive)
{{Navigation-Line|Hampden}}{{Specs-Link|hp52_hampden_mk1_late}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|hp52_hampden_tbmk1}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|hp52_hampden_tbmk1_ussr_utk1}}
{{Navigation-Line|Havoc}}{{Specs-Link|intruder_mk_1}}
{{Navigation-Line|Hudson}}{{Specs-Link|hudson_mk_v}}
{{Navigation-Line|Lancaster}}{{Specs-Link|lancaster_mk1}} (Defensive){{-}}{{Specs-Link|lancaster_mk3}} (Defensive)
{{Navigation-Line|SB2U}}{{Specs-Link|sb2u-2}}
{{Navigation-Line|Stirling}}{{Specs-Link|stirling_mk1}} (Defensive){{-}}{{Specs-Link|stirling_mk3}} (Defensive)
{{Navigation-Line|Sunderland}}{{Specs-Link|sunderland_mk3a}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|sunderland_mk5}}
{{Navigation-Line|V-156}}{{Specs-Link|v_156_b1}}
{{Navigation-Line|Wellington}}{{Specs-Link|wellington_mk1c}} (Defensive){{-}}{{Specs-Link|wellington_mk1c_luftwaffe}} (Defensive){{-}}{{Specs-Link|wellington_mk1c_late}} (Defensive){{-}}{{Specs-Link|wellington_mk3}} (Defensive){{-}}{{Specs-Link|wellington_mk10}} (Defensive)

{{Navigation-End}}

Note that the SB2U-2, the single American plane armed with the Browning .303, has a unique gun with lower accuracy than the ones found on British planes.

== General info ==
''Tell us about the tactical and technical characteristics of the cannon or machine gun.''

=== Available ammunition ===


* '''Default:''' {{Annotation|T|Tracer}}{{-}}{{Annotation|AP|Armour-piercing}}{{-}}{{Annotation|AP-I|Armour-piercing incendiary}}{{-}}{{Annotation|Ball|Omni-purpose}}{{-}}{{Annotation|I|Incendiary}}
* '''Universal:''' {{Annotation|T|Tracer}}{{-}}{{Annotation|AP|Armour-piercing}}{{-}}{{Annotation|AP-I|Armour-piercing incendiary}}{{-}}{{Annotation|AP-I|Armour-piercing incendiary}}{{-}}{{Annotation|I|Incendiary}}
* '''Tracers:''' {{Annotation|I-T|Incendiary tracer}}{{-}}{{Annotation|AP-I|Armour-piercing incendiary}}{{-}}{{Annotation|I-T|Incendiary tracer}}{{-}}{{Annotation|AP-I|Armour-piercing incendiary}}
* '''Stealth:''' {{Annotation|AP-I|Armour-piercing incendiary}}{{-}}{{Annotation|AP-I|Armour-piercing incendiary}}{{-}}{{Annotation|I|Incendiary}}

=== Comparison with analogues ===

The 7.7 mm Browning is similar in performance to the American [[Browning (7.62 mm)|7.62 mm Browning]].

== Usage in battles ==
''Describe the cannon/machine gun in the game - its distinctive features, tactics of usage against notable opponents. Please don't write a "guide" - do not impose a single point of view, but give the reader food for thought.''

=== Pros and cons ===


'''Pros:'''

* High rate of fire
* Tracer belts are composed entirely of incendiary bullets which are effective at setting fires
* Has higher velocity, accuracy and is less prone to jamming than other LMGs such as the [[MG 15 (7.92 mm)|MG 15]] and [[ShKAS (7.62 mm)|ShKAS]]
* On planes with Hispano cannons and Browning machine guns, the .303 tracers can be used to aim the 20 mm shells

'''Cons:'''

* Pitiful damage against aircraft structures such as spars and skin (same as other LMGs)
* High damage drop-off (same as other LMGs)
* Poor stock belts with relatively high ball round content

== History ==
The original main aircraft-mounted machine gun for Britain was the [[Vickers (7.7 mm)|Vickers]], a World War I design that was mostly unchanged from the guns used by the British Army Machine Gun Corps. In the inter-war period, the United States and the United Kingdom both evolved their aircraft designs and recognized it was better if newer aircraft mounted their machine guns on the wings instead of the fuselage. This change would necessitate using a new machine gun which the Air Ministry requested in 1930. In 1931, Colt Firearms in the United States, who collaborated with the Belgian company FN, presented their new aircraft variant of the [[M1919A4 (7.62 mm)|M1919A4 Browning]] Machine Gun to the Air Ministry. The Air Ministry ordered their first 60 Brownings in 1936, but they required some changes to the design. The most significant change is the conversion to open bolt from the original closed bolt design. This change was done to reduce the risk the cordite propellant used in British ammunition would "cook off" or get so hot the gun would start firing on its own. The modification meant the guns could no be synchronized to fire through a propeller, but it was mostly irrelevant due to the switch to wing-mounts.

The Browning was first mounted on biplane fighters like the Gloster [[Gladiator (Family)|Gladiator]] or Hawker [[Fury (Disambiguation)|Fury]], replacing the Vickers guns previously used, but it would more notably used on Britain's primary fighters of the war, the Supermarine [[Spitfire (Family)|Spitfire]] and Hawker [[Hurricane (Family)|Hurricane]]. These new fighters had eight guns based on calculations made by Captain F.W. "Gunner" Hill, who concluded that eight guns each capable of 1,000 rounds per minute would be the optimal armament for future fighters in 1934. However, during the Battle of Britain in 1940, this configuration was found to be obsolete leading to the development of [[Hispano Mk.II (20 mm)|Hispano Mk.II]] cannon for these fighters to provide more firepower. These new cannon armed fighters did however, keep four of the outboard Brownings in place due to the outboard cannons freeze in the air. However, this problem would be fixed near the end of the war with the [[Hispano Mk.V (20 mm)|Hispano Mk.V]] which would lead to the Browning being phased out.

Along with their fighters, the .303 Browning was used in fixed mounts on the Fairey Fulmar naval reconnaissance aircraft and early models of their bombers such as the Bristol [[Blenheim Mk IV|Blenheim]], Fairey Battle, Handley Page [[Hampden (Family)|Hampden]], the American lend-lease Martin Maryland and Baltimore, Fairey [[Swordfish Mk I|Swordfish]], American Lockheed [[Hudson Mk V (Great Britain)|Hudson]] and Douglas [[Boston Mk I (Great Britain)|Boston]], Blackburn Skua, and Bristol [[Beaufort Mk VIII|Beaufort]]. It was also used in electrically-operated turrets made by Boulton Paul and Nash & Thompson, and continued to see use in the fighter-bombers and night fighters of the de Havillard [[Mosquito (Family)|Mosquito]] aircraft even after it began getting phased for the Hispano cannons.Thanks to lend-lease, the USSR also get to use the .303 Brownings on the [[Hurricane Mk IIB (USSR)|Hurricane Mk IIB]]<nowiki/>and fighters of the Hurricane design. According to Soviet pilots, it was as reliable as their own [[ShKAS (7.62 mm)|ShKAS]] machine guns, but frequently failed when exposed to dust required cloth covers for the feeding and ejector port.

== Media ==


;Videos
{{Youtube-gallery|cCkvyjGQ2xg|'''Britain's aircraft-mounted .303 Browning machine gun with weapons expert Jonathan Ferguson''' - ''Royal Armouries''|jqq3Jf3Jpxo|'''British .303 Browning Mk II* Aircraft Machine Gun''' - ''Forgotten Weapons''}}

== See also ==
''Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:''

* ''reference to the article about the variant of the cannon/machine gun;''
* ''references to approximate analogues by other nations and research trees.''

== External links ==
''Paste links to sources and external resources, such as:''

* ''topic on the official game forum;''
* ''other literature.''

{{Aircraft machine guns}}
[[Category:Aircraft machine guns]]

Fokker D.XXI-3 (Sweden)

2022-10-29T16:39:00Z

U83153598: /* Pros and cons */

{{Specs-Card
|code=fokker_d21_serie3_finland
|images={{Specs-Card-Image|GarageImage_{{PAGENAME}}.jpg}}
}}

== Description ==

The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a rank {{Specs|rank}} Swedish fighter {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update "Fire and Ice"]]. Apart from the armament and a bit of armour behind the pilot, it is broadly similar to the premium [[Fokker D.XXI|D.XXI]]: primitive but rugged, slow but very manoeuvrable. The loss in punch of its offensive armament (four 7.7 mm Brownings instead of the two 7.7 mm and two 20 mm cannon in the premium version) is partially offset by the lower BR. Even stock, the engine can be run at WEP for extended periods of time without overheating.

== General info ==
=== Flight performance ===
{{Specs-Avia-Flight}}

The Fokker D.XXI-3 is highly agile for its class, and many opponents (except biplanes) will often struggle to get a good shot. The downside to its manoeuvrability is its speed. The Fokker D.XXI-3 is quite primitive, with only landing flaps, and fixed landing gear causing considerable drag. This makes the Fokker D.XXI-3 unable to run away from most opponents, as even some biplanes are capable of catching up. This doesn't mean the plane is weak however, as the engine provides excellent power for such a light machine, allowing it to climb high above most targets.

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="70%"
! rowspan="2" | Characteristics
! colspan="2" | Max speed (km/h at 5,000 m)
! rowspan="2" | Max altitude (metres)
! colspan="2" | Turn time (seconds)
! colspan="2" | Rate of climb (metres/second)
! rowspan="2" | Take-off run (metres)
|-
! AB !! RB !! AB !! RB !! AB !! RB
|-
! Stock
| 410 || 398 || rowspan="2" | {{Specs|ceiling}} || 16.7 || 17.3 || 11.3 || 11.3 || rowspan="2" | 150
|-
! Upgraded
| 441 || 425 || 15.5 || 16.0 || 17.7 || 14.2
|-
|}

==== Details ====
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="50%"
|-
! colspan="5" | Features
|-
! Combat flaps !! Take-off flaps !! Landing flaps !! Air brakes !! Arrestor gear
|-
| _ || _ || _ || _ || _ 
|-
|}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="50%"
|-
! colspan="7" | Limits
|-
! rowspan="2" | Wings (km/h)
! rowspan="2" | Gear (km/h)
! colspan="3" | Flaps (km/h)
! colspan="2" | Max Static G
|-
! Combat !! Take-off !! Landing !! + !! -
|-
| {{Specs|destruction|body}} || {{Specs|destruction|gear}} || ___ || ___ || ___ || ~__ || ~__
|-
|}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="4" | Optimal velocities (km/h)
|-
! Ailerons !! Rudder !! Elevators !! Radiator
|-
| < ___ || < ___ || < ___ || > ___
|-
|}

=== Survivability and armour ===
{{Specs-Avia-Armour}}


* Armour: one 9 mm steel plate behind pilot's seat
* Self-sealing fuel tanks (1 in front of pilot)

=== Modifications and economy ===
{{Specs-Economy}}

== Armaments ==
{{Specs-Avia-Armaments}}
=== Offensive armament ===
{{Specs-Avia-Offensive}}

{{main|FN-Browning M.36 No.3 (7.7 mm)}}

The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' is armed with:

* 2 x 7.7 mm FN-Browning M.36 No.3 machine guns, nose-mounted (500 rpg = 2,000 total)
* 2 x 7.7 mm FN-Browning M.36 No.3 machine guns, wing-mounted (500 rpg = 2,000 total)

== Usage in battles ==

''Describe the tactics of playing in the aircraft, the features of using aircraft in a team and advice on tactics. Refrain from creating a "guide" - do not impose a single point of view, but instead, give the reader food for thought. Examine the most dangerous enemies and give recommendations on fighting them. If necessary, note the specifics of the game in different modes (AB, RB, SB).''

=== Pros and cons ===
'''Pros:'''

* High climb rate, especially for a monoplane of this BR
* Only one fuel tank, so fires usually would not be started if the aircraft was tailed
* Great turn time
* Engine takes a while to overheat on WEP
* Sturdy airframe tolerates a nearly unmatched speed in diving
* Short take-off run
* Very stable aircraft to fly in simulator battles
* Fixed landing gear makes landings easier and more simplified

'''Cons:'''

* Rather slow, cannot escape fights
* Only has landing flaps
* No armour

== History ==

''Describe the history of the creation and combat usage of the aircraft in more detail than in the introduction. If the historical reference turns out to be too long, take it to a separate article, taking a link to the article about the vehicle and adding a block "/History" (example: <nowiki>https://wiki.warthunder.com/(Vehicle-name)/History</nowiki>) and add a link to it here using the <code>main</code> template. Be sure to reference text and sources by using <code><nowiki><ref></ref></nowiki></code>, as well as adding them at the end of the article with <code><nowiki><references /></nowiki></code>. This section may also include the vehicle's dev blog entry (if applicable) and the in-game encyclopedia description (under <code><nowiki>=== In-game description ===</nowiki></code>, also if applicable).''

== Media ==

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== See also ==

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* ''reference to the series of the aircraft;''
* ''links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.''

== External links ==

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{{AirManufacturer Fokker}}
{{Sweden fighters}}

Fokker D.XXI-3 (Sweden)

2022-10-29T16:38:36Z

U83153598: listed pros and cons, largely ported over from the premium variant as they share all but armament

{{Specs-Card
|code=fokker_d21_serie3_finland
|images={{Specs-Card-Image|GarageImage_{{PAGENAME}}.jpg}}
}}

== Description ==

The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a rank {{Specs|rank}} Swedish fighter {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update "Fire and Ice"]]. Apart from the armament and a bit of armour behind the pilot, it is broadly similar to the premium [[Fokker D.XXI|D.XXI]]: primitive but rugged, slow but very manoeuvrable. The loss in punch of its offensive armament (four 7.7 mm Brownings instead of the two 7.7 mm and two 20 mm cannon in the premium version) is partially offset by the lower BR. Even stock, the engine can be run at WEP for extended periods of time without overheating.

== General info ==
=== Flight performance ===
{{Specs-Avia-Flight}}

The Fokker D.XXI-3 is highly agile for its class, and many opponents (except biplanes) will often struggle to get a good shot. The downside to its manoeuvrability is its speed. The Fokker D.XXI-3 is quite primitive, with only landing flaps, and fixed landing gear causing considerable drag. This makes the Fokker D.XXI-3 unable to run away from most opponents, as even some biplanes are capable of catching up. This doesn't mean the plane is weak however, as the engine provides excellent power for such a light machine, allowing it to climb high above most targets.

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="70%"
! rowspan="2" | Characteristics
! colspan="2" | Max speed (km/h at 5,000 m)
! rowspan="2" | Max altitude (metres)
! colspan="2" | Turn time (seconds)
! colspan="2" | Rate of climb (metres/second)
! rowspan="2" | Take-off run (metres)
|-
! AB !! RB !! AB !! RB !! AB !! RB
|-
! Stock
| 410 || 398 || rowspan="2" | {{Specs|ceiling}} || 16.7 || 17.3 || 11.3 || 11.3 || rowspan="2" | 150
|-
! Upgraded
| 441 || 425 || 15.5 || 16.0 || 17.7 || 14.2
|-
|}

==== Details ====
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="50%"
|-
! colspan="5" | Features
|-
! Combat flaps !! Take-off flaps !! Landing flaps !! Air brakes !! Arrestor gear
|-
| _ || _ || _ || _ || _ 
|-
|}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="50%"
|-
! colspan="7" | Limits
|-
! rowspan="2" | Wings (km/h)
! rowspan="2" | Gear (km/h)
! colspan="3" | Flaps (km/h)
! colspan="2" | Max Static G
|-
! Combat !! Take-off !! Landing !! + !! -
|-
| {{Specs|destruction|body}} || {{Specs|destruction|gear}} || ___ || ___ || ___ || ~__ || ~__
|-
|}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="4" | Optimal velocities (km/h)
|-
! Ailerons !! Rudder !! Elevators !! Radiator
|-
| < ___ || < ___ || < ___ || > ___
|-
|}

=== Survivability and armour ===
{{Specs-Avia-Armour}}


* Armour: one 9 mm steel plate behind pilot's seat
* Self-sealing fuel tanks (1 in front of pilot)

=== Modifications and economy ===
{{Specs-Economy}}

== Armaments ==
{{Specs-Avia-Armaments}}
=== Offensive armament ===
{{Specs-Avia-Offensive}}

{{main|FN-Browning M.36 No.3 (7.7 mm)}}

The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' is armed with:

* 2 x 7.7 mm FN-Browning M.36 No.3 machine guns, nose-mounted (500 rpg = 2,000 total)
* 2 x 7.7 mm FN-Browning M.36 No.3 machine guns, wing-mounted (500 rpg = 2,000 total)

== Usage in battles ==

''Describe the tactics of playing in the aircraft, the features of using aircraft in a team and advice on tactics. Refrain from creating a "guide" - do not impose a single point of view, but instead, give the reader food for thought. Examine the most dangerous enemies and give recommendations on fighting them. If necessary, note the specifics of the game in different modes (AB, RB, SB).''

=== Pros and cons ===
'''Pros:'''

* High climb rate, especially for a monoplane of this BR
* Only one fuel tank, so fires usually would not be started if the aircraft was tailed
* Great turn time
* Engine takes a while to overheat on WEP
* Sturdy airframe tolerates a nearly unmatched speed in diving
* Short take-off run
* Very stable aircraft to fly in simulator battles
* Fixed landing gear makes landings easier and more simplified

'''Cons:'''

* Rather slow, cannot escape fights
* Only has landing flaps
* No armour

*

== History ==

''Describe the history of the creation and combat usage of the aircraft in more detail than in the introduction. If the historical reference turns out to be too long, take it to a separate article, taking a link to the article about the vehicle and adding a block "/History" (example: <nowiki>https://wiki.warthunder.com/(Vehicle-name)/History</nowiki>) and add a link to it here using the <code>main</code> template. Be sure to reference text and sources by using <code><nowiki><ref></ref></nowiki></code>, as well as adding them at the end of the article with <code><nowiki><references /></nowiki></code>. This section may also include the vehicle's dev blog entry (if applicable) and the in-game encyclopedia description (under <code><nowiki>=== In-game description ===</nowiki></code>, also if applicable).''

== Media ==

''Excellent additions to the article would be video guides, screenshots from the game, and photos.''

== See also ==

''Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:''

* ''reference to the series of the aircraft;''
* ''links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.''

== External links ==

''Paste links to sources and external resources, such as:''

* ''topic on the official game forum;''
* ''other literature.''

{{AirManufacturer Fokker}}
{{Sweden fighters}}

FN-Browning M.36 No.3 (7.7 mm)

2022-10-29T14:34:41Z

U83153598: /* Comparison with analogues */

== Description ==
The '''FN-Browning M.36 No. 3''' is the version of the American [[Browning (7.62 mm)|.30 M2/AN Browning]] machine gun modified for use by the Royal Dutch Air Force. The modification was done by the Belgian Fabrique Nationale (FN), hence the name. As far as rifle-calibre machine guns go, this is a very solid base. With a high fire rate of 1,600 rounds per minute and a potent incendiary round, this machine gun grants a good amount of firepower to the plane it is mounted on.

=== Vehicles equipped with this weapon ===


* [[Fokker D.XXI-3 (Sweden)|Fokker D.XXI-3]]
* {{Specs-Link|fokker_d21_mod20}}

== General info ==
''Tell us about the tactical and technical characteristics of the cannon or machine gun.''

=== Available ammunition ===

* '''Default:''' T · AP · AP-I · Ball · I
* '''Universal:''' T · AP · AP-I · AP-I · I
* '''Tracers:''' IT · AP-I · IT · AP-I
* '''Stealth:''' AP-I · AP-I · I

Though the Default ammunition belt is not as bad as on other versions of the Browning .30, the Ball round is still very much useless and the Tracer/Stealth belts perform the best.

=== Comparison with analogues ===
{| class="wikitable"
! colspan="7" |''Comparable machine guns to {{PAGENAME}}''
|-
!
!''Name''!!''Year of Creation''!!''Mass''!!''Rounds Per Minute''!!''Ammunition''!!''{{Annotation|Feed Type|Belt-, drum- or magazine-fed weapon}}''
|-
|▄||'''FN-Browning M.36 No.3 (7.7 mm)'''|| style="text-align:center;" |1936||14 kg|| style="text-align:center;" |1,600 RPM||7.7 x 63 mm|| style="text-align:center;" |Belt
|-
|▃
|[[Browning (7.62 mm)]]
| style="text-align:center;" |1919
|14 kg
| style="text-align:center;" |1,000 RPM
|7.62 x 63 mm
| style="text-align:center;" |Belt
|-
|▅||[[Type 92 navy (7.7 mm)]]|| style="text-align:center;" |1932||8 kg|| style="text-align:center;" |600 RPM||7.7 x 56 mm R|| style="text-align:center;" |Drum
|-
|▄||[[Darne 1933 (7.5 mm)]]|| style="text-align:center;" |1916||8.4 kg|| style="text-align:center;" |1,350 RPM||7.5 x 54 mm MAS
| style="text-align:center;" |Belt
|-
|▄||[[Breda-SAFAT (7.7 mm)]]|| style="text-align:center;" |1935||12.5 kg|| style="text-align:center;" |900 RPM||7.7 x 56 mm R
| style="text-align:center;" |Belt
|-
|▀||[[MG 17 (7.92 mm)]]|| style="text-align:center;" |1934||10.2 kg|| style="text-align:center;" |1,200 RPM||7.92 x 57 mm|| style="text-align:center;" |Belt
|-
|▂||[[ShKAS (7.62 mm)]]|| style="text-align:center;" |1932||10.5 kg|| style="text-align:center;" |1,800 RPM||7.62 x 54 mm R|| style="text-align:center;" |Belt
|-
|▄||[[MAC 1934 (7.5 mm)]]|| style="text-align:center;" |1934||10.7 kg|| style="text-align:center;" |1,350 RPM||7.5 x 54 mm MAS|| style="text-align:center;" |Belt/Magazine
|}

== Usage in battles ==
''Describe the cannon/machine gun in the game - its distinctive features, tactics of usage against notable opponents. Please don't write a "guide" - do not impose a single point of view, but give the reader food for thought.''

=== Pros and cons ===
''Summarise and briefly evaluate the weaponry in terms of its characteristics and combat effectiveness. Mark pros and cons as a list.''

'''Pros:'''

* High rate of fire
* Slightly larger calibre than the original US version

'''Cons:'''

* Ball-rounds are quite useless
* Does not penetrate much armour, does no damage to tanks

== History ==

The European powers in the 1930s saw a sudden rise in military build-up in response to international tensions caused by Germany's rearmament program. To arm their aircraft, a number of nations of nations turned to the Belgian company Fabrique Nationale. FN previously worked with Colt Firearms in the US to adapt the [[Browning (7.62 mm)|M1919 Browning]] from a tank machine gun to an aircraft machine with a higher rate of fire and lighter construction. While Colt would develop these guns to become an aircraft weapon of the US Army and Navy, FN would take the design and chamber in multiple calibers to export the design for a variety of countries. The Netherlands was among their customers and adopted the Browning in 7.92 mm as the M36 Browning. They would use the M36 in a variety of aircraft including the Fokker G.I "Reaper" twin-engine fighters, the Fokker DVIII biplane fighter, the North American 8A-3N ground attack craft, the Fokker C.X scout and light bomber biplane, the Fokker C.V scout aircraft, the Koolhoven F.K.51 artillery spotter and trainer, and the [[Fokker D.XXI]] fighters which saw success in both the Dutch and Finnish Air Forces. While the M.36 was originally chambered in 7.92 mm, some were instead chambered for a 7.7 mm cartridge which was used in the D.XXI and F.K.51. These guns were designated the FN Browning M.36 No.3.

== Media ==
''Excellent additions to the article would be video guides, screenshots from the game, and photos.''

== See also ==
''Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:''

* ''reference to the article about the variant of the cannon/machine gun;''
* ''references to approximate analogues by other nations and research trees.''

== External links ==
''Paste links to sources and external resources, such as:''

* ''topic on the official game forum;''
* ''encyclopedia page on the weapon;''
* ''other literature.''

{{Aircraft machine guns}}

[[Category:Aircraft machine guns]]

FN-Browning M.36 No.3 (7.7 mm)

2022-10-29T14:31:17Z

U83153598: /* Pros and cons */

== Description ==
The '''FN-Browning M.36 No. 3''' is the version of the American [[Browning (7.62 mm)|.30 M2/AN Browning]] machine gun modified for use by the Royal Dutch Air Force. The modification was done by the Belgian Fabrique Nationale (FN), hence the name. As far as rifle-calibre machine guns go, this is a very solid base. With a high fire rate of 1,600 rounds per minute and a potent incendiary round, this machine gun grants a good amount of firepower to the plane it is mounted on.

=== Vehicles equipped with this weapon ===


* [[Fokker D.XXI-3 (Sweden)|Fokker D.XXI-3]]
* {{Specs-Link|fokker_d21_mod20}}

== General info ==
''Tell us about the tactical and technical characteristics of the cannon or machine gun.''

=== Available ammunition ===

* '''Default:''' T · AP · AP-I · Ball · I
* '''Universal:''' T · AP · AP-I · AP-I · I
* '''Tracers:''' IT · AP-I · IT · AP-I
* '''Stealth:''' AP-I · AP-I · I

Though the Default ammunition belt is not as bad as on other versions of the Browning .30, the Ball round is still very much useless and the Tracer/Stealth belts perform the best.

=== Comparison with analogues ===
{| class="wikitable"
! colspan="7" |''Comparable machine guns to {{PAGENAME}}''
|-
!
!''Name''!!''Year of Creation''!!''Mass''!!''Rounds Per Minute''!!''Ammunition''!!''{{Annotation|Feed Type|Belt-, drum- or magazine-fed weapon}}''
|-
|▄||'''FN-Browning M.36 No.3'''|| style="text-align:center;" |1936||14 kg|| style="text-align:center;" |1,600 RPM||7.7 x 63 mm|| style="text-align:center;" |Belt
|-
|▃
|[[Browning (7.62 mm)]]
| style="text-align:center;" |1919
|14 kg
| style="text-align:center;" |1,000 RPM
|7.62 x 63 mm
| style="text-align:center;" |Belt
|-
|▅||[[Type 92 navy (7.7 mm)]]|| style="text-align:center;" |1932||8 kg|| style="text-align:center;" |600 RPM||7.7 x 56 mm R|| style="text-align:center;" |Drum
|-
|▄||[[Darne 1933 (7.5 mm)]]|| style="text-align:center;" |1916||8.4 kg|| style="text-align:center;" |1,350 RPM||7.5 x 54 mm MAS
| style="text-align:center;" |Belt
|-
|▄||[[Breda-SAFAT (7.7 mm)]]|| style="text-align:center;" |1935||12.5 kg|| style="text-align:center;" |900 RPM||7.7 x 56 mm R
| style="text-align:center;" |Belt
|-
|▀||[[MG 17 (7.92 mm)]]|| style="text-align:center;" |1934||10.2 kg|| style="text-align:center;" |1,200 RPM||7.92 x 57 mm|| style="text-align:center;" |Belt
|-
|▂||[[ShKAS (7.62 mm)]]|| style="text-align:center;" |1932||10.5 kg|| style="text-align:center;" |1,800 RPM||7.62 x 54 mm R|| style="text-align:center;" |Belt
|-
|▄||[[MAC 1934 (7.5 mm)]]|| style="text-align:center;" |1934||10.7 kg|| style="text-align:center;" |1,350 RPM||7.5 x 54 mm MAS|| style="text-align:center;" |Belt/Magazine
|}

== Usage in battles ==
''Describe the cannon/machine gun in the game - its distinctive features, tactics of usage against notable opponents. Please don't write a "guide" - do not impose a single point of view, but give the reader food for thought.''

=== Pros and cons ===
''Summarise and briefly evaluate the weaponry in terms of its characteristics and combat effectiveness. Mark pros and cons as a list.''

'''Pros:'''

* High rate of fire
* Slightly larger calibre than the original US version

'''Cons:'''

* Ball-rounds are quite useless
* Does not penetrate much armour, does no damage to tanks

== History ==

The European powers in the 1930s saw a sudden rise in military build-up in response to international tensions caused by Germany's rearmament program. To arm their aircraft, a number of nations of nations turned to the Belgian company Fabrique Nationale. FN previously worked with Colt Firearms in the US to adapt the [[Browning (7.62 mm)|M1919 Browning]] from a tank machine gun to an aircraft machine with a higher rate of fire and lighter construction. While Colt would develop these guns to become an aircraft weapon of the US Army and Navy, FN would take the design and chamber in multiple calibers to export the design for a variety of countries. The Netherlands was among their customers and adopted the Browning in 7.92 mm as the M36 Browning. They would use the M36 in a variety of aircraft including the Fokker G.I "Reaper" twin-engine fighters, the Fokker DVIII biplane fighter, the North American 8A-3N ground attack craft, the Fokker C.X scout and light bomber biplane, the Fokker C.V scout aircraft, the Koolhoven F.K.51 artillery spotter and trainer, and the [[Fokker D.XXI]] fighters which saw success in both the Dutch and Finnish Air Forces. While the M.36 was originally chambered in 7.92 mm, some were instead chambered for a 7.7 mm cartridge which was used in the D.XXI and F.K.51. These guns were designated the FN Browning M.36 No.3.

== Media ==
''Excellent additions to the article would be video guides, screenshots from the game, and photos.''

== See also ==
''Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:''

* ''reference to the article about the variant of the cannon/machine gun;''
* ''references to approximate analogues by other nations and research trees.''

== External links ==
''Paste links to sources and external resources, such as:''

* ''topic on the official game forum;''
* ''encyclopedia page on the weapon;''
* ''other literature.''

{{Aircraft machine guns}}

[[Category:Aircraft machine guns]]

FN-Browning M.36 No.3 (7.7 mm)

2022-10-29T14:30:44Z

U83153598: /* Comparison with analogues */

== Description ==
The '''FN-Browning M.36 No. 3''' is the version of the American [[Browning (7.62 mm)|.30 M2/AN Browning]] machine gun modified for use by the Royal Dutch Air Force. The modification was done by the Belgian Fabrique Nationale (FN), hence the name. As far as rifle-calibre machine guns go, this is a very solid base. With a high fire rate of 1,600 rounds per minute and a potent incendiary round, this machine gun grants a good amount of firepower to the plane it is mounted on.

=== Vehicles equipped with this weapon ===


* [[Fokker D.XXI-3 (Sweden)|Fokker D.XXI-3]]
* {{Specs-Link|fokker_d21_mod20}}

== General info ==
''Tell us about the tactical and technical characteristics of the cannon or machine gun.''

=== Available ammunition ===

* '''Default:''' T · AP · AP-I · Ball · I
* '''Universal:''' T · AP · AP-I · AP-I · I
* '''Tracers:''' IT · AP-I · IT · AP-I
* '''Stealth:''' AP-I · AP-I · I

Though the Default ammunition belt is not as bad as on other versions of the Browning .30, the Ball round is still very much useless and the Tracer/Stealth belts perform the best.

=== Comparison with analogues ===
{| class="wikitable"
! colspan="7" |''Comparable machine guns to {{PAGENAME}}''
|-
!
!''Name''!!''Year of Creation''!!''Mass''!!''Rounds Per Minute''!!''Ammunition''!!''{{Annotation|Feed Type|Belt-, drum- or magazine-fed weapon}}''
|-
|▄||'''FN-Browning M.36 No.3'''|| style="text-align:center;" |1936||14 kg|| style="text-align:center;" |1,600 RPM||7.7 x 63 mm|| style="text-align:center;" |Belt
|-
|▃
|[[Browning (7.62 mm)]]
| style="text-align:center;" |1919
|14 kg
| style="text-align:center;" |1,000 RPM
|7.62 x 63 mm
| style="text-align:center;" |Belt
|-
|▅||[[Type 92 navy (7.7 mm)]]|| style="text-align:center;" |1932||8 kg|| style="text-align:center;" |600 RPM||7.7 x 56 mm R|| style="text-align:center;" |Drum
|-
|▄||[[Darne 1933 (7.5 mm)]]|| style="text-align:center;" |1916||8.4 kg|| style="text-align:center;" |1,350 RPM||7.5 x 54 mm MAS
| style="text-align:center;" |Belt
|-
|▄||[[Breda-SAFAT (7.7 mm)]]|| style="text-align:center;" |1935||12.5 kg|| style="text-align:center;" |900 RPM||7.7 x 56 mm R
| style="text-align:center;" |Belt
|-
|▀||[[MG 17 (7.92 mm)]]|| style="text-align:center;" |1934||10.2 kg|| style="text-align:center;" |1,200 RPM||7.92 x 57 mm|| style="text-align:center;" |Belt
|-
|▂||[[ShKAS (7.62 mm)]]|| style="text-align:center;" |1932||10.5 kg|| style="text-align:center;" |1,800 RPM||7.62 x 54 mm R|| style="text-align:center;" |Belt
|-
|▄||[[MAC 1934 (7.5 mm)]]|| style="text-align:center;" |1934||10.7 kg|| style="text-align:center;" |1,350 RPM||7.5 x 54 mm MAS|| style="text-align:center;" |Belt/Magazine
|}

== Usage in battles ==
''Describe the cannon/machine gun in the game - its distinctive features, tactics of usage against notable opponents. Please don't write a "guide" - do not impose a single point of view, but give the reader food for thought.''

=== Pros and cons ===
''Summarise and briefly evaluate the weaponry in terms of its characteristics and combat effectiveness. Mark pros and cons as a list.''

'''Pros:'''

* High rate of fire
* Slightly larger calibre than the original US version

*

'''Cons:'''

* Ball-rounds are quite useless
* Does not penetrate much armour, does no damage to tanks

*

== History ==

The European powers in the 1930s saw a sudden rise in military build-up in response to international tensions caused by Germany's rearmament program. To arm their aircraft, a number of nations of nations turned to the Belgian company Fabrique Nationale. FN previously worked with Colt Firearms in the US to adapt the [[Browning (7.62 mm)|M1919 Browning]] from a tank machine gun to an aircraft machine with a higher rate of fire and lighter construction. While Colt would develop these guns to become an aircraft weapon of the US Army and Navy, FN would take the design and chamber in multiple calibers to export the design for a variety of countries. The Netherlands was among their customers and adopted the Browning in 7.92 mm as the M36 Browning. They would use the M36 in a variety of aircraft including the Fokker G.I "Reaper" twin-engine fighters, the Fokker DVIII biplane fighter, the North American 8A-3N ground attack craft, the Fokker C.X scout and light bomber biplane, the Fokker C.V scout aircraft, the Koolhoven F.K.51 artillery spotter and trainer, and the [[Fokker D.XXI]] fighters which saw success in both the Dutch and Finnish Air Forces. While the M.36 was originally chambered in 7.92 mm, some were instead chambered for a 7.7 mm cartridge which was used in the D.XXI and F.K.51. These guns were designated the FN Browning M.36 No.3.

== Media ==
''Excellent additions to the article would be video guides, screenshots from the game, and photos.''

== See also ==
''Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:''

* ''reference to the article about the variant of the cannon/machine gun;''
* ''references to approximate analogues by other nations and research trees.''

== External links ==
''Paste links to sources and external resources, such as:''

* ''topic on the official game forum;''
* ''encyclopedia page on the weapon;''
* ''other literature.''

{{Aircraft machine guns}}

[[Category:Aircraft machine guns]]

FN-Browning M.36 No.3 (7.7 mm)

2022-10-29T14:28:38Z

U83153598:

== Description ==
The '''FN-Browning M.36 No. 3''' is the version of the American [[Browning (7.62 mm)|.30 M2/AN Browning]] machine gun modified for use by the Royal Dutch Air Force. The modification was done by the Belgian Fabrique Nationale (FN), hence the name. As far as rifle-calibre machine guns go, this is a very solid base. With a high fire rate of 1,600 rounds per minute and a potent incendiary round, this machine gun grants a good amount of firepower to the plane it is mounted on.

=== Vehicles equipped with this weapon ===


* [[Fokker D.XXI-3 (Sweden)|Fokker D.XXI-3]]
* {{Specs-Link|fokker_d21_mod20}}

== General info ==
''Tell us about the tactical and technical characteristics of the cannon or machine gun.''

=== Available ammunition ===

* '''Default:''' T · AP · AP-I · Ball · I
* '''Universal:''' T · AP · AP-I · AP-I · I
* '''Tracers:''' IT · AP-I · IT · AP-I
* '''Stealth:''' AP-I · AP-I · I

Though the Default ammunition belt is not as bad as on other versions of the Browning .30, the Ball round is still very much useless and the Tracer/Stealth belts perform the best.

=== Comparison with analogues ===
{| class="wikitable"
! colspan="7" |''Comparable machine guns to {{PAGENAME}}''
|-
!
!''Name''!!''Year of Creation''!!''Mass''!!''Rounds Per Minute''!!''Ammunition''!!''{{Annotation|Feed Type|Belt-, drum- or magazine-fed weapon}}''
|-
|▄||'''FN-Browning M.36 No.3'''|| style="text-align:center;" |1936||14 kg|| style="text-align:center;" |1,600 RPM||7.7 x 63 mm|| style="text-align:center;" |Belt
|-
|▃
|[[Browning (7.62 mm)]]
|1919
|14 kg
|1,000 RPM
|7.62 x 63 mm
|Belt
|-
|▅||[[Type 92 navy (7.7 mm)]]|| style="text-align:center;" |1932||8 kg|| style="text-align:center;" |600 RPM||7.7 x 56 mm R|| style="text-align:center;" |Drum
|-
|▄||[[Darne 1933 (7.5 mm)]]|| style="text-align:center;" |1916||8.4 kg|| style="text-align:center;" |1,350 RPM||7.5 x 54 mm MAS
| style="text-align:center;" |Belt
|-
|▄||[[Breda-SAFAT (7.7 mm)]]|| style="text-align:center;" |1935||12.5 kg|| style="text-align:center;" |900 RPM||7.7 x 56 mm R
| style="text-align:center;" |Belt
|-
|▀||[[MG 17 (7.92 mm)]]|| style="text-align:center;" |1934||10.2 kg|| style="text-align:center;" |1,200 RPM||7.92 x 57 mm|| style="text-align:center;" |Belt
|-
|▂||[[ShKAS (7.62 mm)]]|| style="text-align:center;" |1932||10.5 kg|| style="text-align:center;" |1,800 RPM||7.62 x 54 mm R|| style="text-align:center;" |Belt
|-
|▄||[[MAC 1934 (7.5 mm)]]|| style="text-align:center;" |1934||10.7 kg|| style="text-align:center;" |1,350 RPM||7.5 x 54 mm MAS|| style="text-align:center;" |Belt/Magazine
|}
== Usage in battles ==
''Describe the cannon/machine gun in the game - its distinctive features, tactics of usage against notable opponents. Please don't write a "guide" - do not impose a single point of view, but give the reader food for thought.''

=== Pros and cons ===
''Summarise and briefly evaluate the weaponry in terms of its characteristics and combat effectiveness. Mark pros and cons as a list.''

'''Pros:'''

* High rate of fire
* Slightly larger calibre than the original US version

*

'''Cons:'''

* Ball-rounds are quite useless
* Does not penetrate much armour, does no damage to tanks

*

== History ==

The European powers in the 1930s saw a sudden rise in military build-up in response to international tensions caused by Germany's rearmament program. To arm their aircraft, a number of nations of nations turned to the Belgian company Fabrique Nationale. FN previously worked with Colt Firearms in the US to adapt the [[Browning (7.62 mm)|M1919 Browning]] from a tank machine gun to an aircraft machine with a higher rate of fire and lighter construction. While Colt would develop these guns to become an aircraft weapon of the US Army and Navy, FN would take the design and chamber in multiple calibers to export the design for a variety of countries. The Netherlands was among their customers and adopted the Browning in 7.92 mm as the M36 Browning. They would use the M36 in a variety of aircraft including the Fokker G.I "Reaper" twin-engine fighters, the Fokker DVIII biplane fighter, the North American 8A-3N ground attack craft, the Fokker C.X scout and light bomber biplane, the Fokker C.V scout aircraft, the Koolhoven F.K.51 artillery spotter and trainer, and the [[Fokker D.XXI]] fighters which saw success in both the Dutch and Finnish Air Forces. While the M.36 was originally chambered in 7.92 mm, some were instead chambered for a 7.7 mm cartridge which was used in the D.XXI and F.K.51. These guns were designated the FN Browning M.36 No.3.

== Media ==
''Excellent additions to the article would be video guides, screenshots from the game, and photos.''

== See also ==
''Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:''

* ''reference to the article about the variant of the cannon/machine gun;''
* ''references to approximate analogues by other nations and research trees.''

== External links ==
''Paste links to sources and external resources, such as:''

* ''topic on the official game forum;''
* ''encyclopedia page on the weapon;''
* ''other literature.''

{{Aircraft machine guns}}

[[Category:Aircraft machine guns]]

FN-Browning M.36 No.3 (7.7 mm)

2022-10-29T14:26:51Z

U83153598:

== Description ==
The '''FN-Browning M.36 No. 3''' is the version of the American [[Browning (7.62 mm)|.30 M2/AN Browning]] machine gun modified for use by the Royal Dutch Air Force. The modification was done by the Belgian Fabrique Nationale (FN), hence the name. As far as rifle-calibre machine guns go, this is a very solid base. With a high fire rate of 1,600 rounds per minute and a potent incendiary round, this machine gun grants a good amount of firepower to the plane it is mounted on.

=== Vehicles equipped with this weapon ===


* [[Fokker D.XXI-3 (Sweden)|Fokker D.XXI-3]]
* {{Specs-Link|fokker_d21_mod20}}

== General info ==
''Tell us about the tactical and technical characteristics of the cannon or machine gun.''

=== Available ammunition ===

* '''Default:''' T · AP · AP-I · Ball · I
* '''Universal:''' T · AP · AP-I · AP-I · I
* '''Tracers:''' IT · AP-I · IT · AP-I
* '''Stealth:''' AP-I · AP-I · I

Though the Default ammunition belt is not as bad as on other versions of the Browning .30, the Ball round is still very much useless and the Tracer/Stealth belts perform the best.

=== Comparison with analogues ===
{| class="wikitable"
! colspan="7" |''Comparable machine guns to {{PAGENAME}}''
|-
!
!''Name''!!''Year of Creation''!!''Mass''!!''Rounds Per Minute''!!''Ammunition''!!''{{Annotation|Feed Type|Belt-, drum- or magazine-fed weapon}}''
|-
|▄||'''FN-Browning M.36 No.3'''|| style="text-align:center;" |1936||14 kg|| style="text-align:center;" |1,600 RPM||7.7 x 63 mm|| style="text-align:center;" |Belt
|-
|▃
|[[Browning (7.62 mm)]]
|1919
|14 kg
|1,000 RPM
|7.62 x 63 mm
|Belt
|-
|▅||''[[Type 92 navy (7.7 mm)]]''|| style="text-align:center;" |1932||8 kg|| style="text-align:center;" |600 RPM||7.7 x 56 mm R|| style="text-align:center;" |Drum
|-
|▄||''[[Darne 1933 (7.5 mm)]]''|| style="text-align:center;" |1916||8.4 kg|| style="text-align:center;" |1,350 RPM||7.5 x 54 mm MAS
| style="text-align:center;" |Belt
|-
|▄||''[[Breda-SAFAT (7.7 mm)]]''|| style="text-align:center;" |1935||12.5 kg|| style="text-align:center;" |900 RPM||7.7 x 56 mm R
| style="text-align:center;" |Belt
|-
|▀||''[[MG 17 (7.92 mm)]]''|| style="text-align:center;" |1934||10.2 kg|| style="text-align:center;" |1,200 RPM||7.92 x 57 mm|| style="text-align:center;" |Belt
|-
|▂||''[[ShKAS (7.62 mm)]]''|| style="text-align:center;" |1932||10.5 kg|| style="text-align:center;" |1,800 RPM||7.62 x 54 mm R|| style="text-align:center;" |Belt
|-
|▄||''[[MAC 1934 (7.5 mm)]]''|| style="text-align:center;" |1934||10.7 kg|| style="text-align:center;" |1,350 RPM||7.5 x 54 mm MAS|| style="text-align:center;" |Belt/Magazine
|}
== Usage in battles ==
''Describe the cannon/machine gun in the game - its distinctive features, tactics of usage against notable opponents. Please don't write a "guide" - do not impose a single point of view, but give the reader food for thought.''

=== Pros and cons ===
''Summarise and briefly evaluate the weaponry in terms of its characteristics and combat effectiveness. Mark pros and cons as a list.''

'''Pros:'''

* High rate of fire
* Slightly larger calibre than the original US version

*

'''Cons:'''

* Ball-rounds are quite useless
* Does not penetrate much armour, does no damage to tanks

*

== History ==

The European powers in the 1930s saw a sudden rise in military build-up in response to international tensions caused by Germany's rearmament program. To arm their aircraft, a number of nations of nations turned to the Belgian company Fabrique Nationale. FN previously worked with Colt Firearms in the US to adapt the [[Browning (7.62 mm)|M1919 Browning]] from a tank machine gun to an aircraft machine with a higher rate of fire and lighter construction. While Colt would develop these guns to become an aircraft weapon of the US Army and Navy, FN would take the design and chamber in multiple calibers to export the design for a variety of countries. The Netherlands was among their customers and adopted the Browning in 7.92 mm as the M36 Browning. They would use the M36 in a variety of aircraft including the Fokker G.I "Reaper" twin-engine fighters, the Fokker DVIII biplane fighter, the North American 8A-3N ground attack craft, the Fokker C.X scout and light bomber biplane, the Fokker C.V scout aircraft, the Koolhoven F.K.51 artillery spotter and trainer, and the [[Fokker D.XXI]] fighters which saw success in both the Dutch and Finnish Air Forces. While the M.36 was originally chambered in 7.92 mm, some were instead chambered for a 7.7 mm cartridge which was used in the D.XXI and F.K.51. These guns were designated the FN Browning M.36 No.3.

== Media ==
''Excellent additions to the article would be video guides, screenshots from the game, and photos.''

== See also ==
''Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:''

* ''reference to the article about the variant of the cannon/machine gun;''
* ''references to approximate analogues by other nations and research trees.''

== External links ==
''Paste links to sources and external resources, such as:''

* ''topic on the official game forum;''
* ''encyclopedia page on the weapon;''
* ''other literature.''

{{Aircraft machine guns}}

[[Category:Aircraft machine guns]]

FN-Browning M.36 No.3 (7.7 mm)

2022-10-29T14:25:27Z

U83153598: filled out the page with a lot of information that was previously missing.

== Description ==
The '''FN-Browning M.36 No. 3''' is the version of the American [[Browning (7.62 mm)|.30 M2/AN Browning]] machine gun modified for use by the Royal Dutch Air Force. The modification was done by the Belgian Fabrique Nationale (FN), hence the name. As far as rifle-calibre machine guns go, this is a very solid base. With a high fire rate of 1,600 rounds per minute and a potent incendiary round, this machine gun grants a good amount of firepower to the plane it is mounted on.

=== Vehicles equipped with this weapon ===


* [[Fokker D.XXI-3 (Sweden)]]
* [[Fokker D.XXI (Sweden)]]{{Specs-Link|fokker_d21_mod20}}

== General info ==
''Tell us about the tactical and technical characteristics of the cannon or machine gun.''

=== Available ammunition ===

* '''Default:''' T · AP · AP-I · Ball · I
* '''Universal:''' T · AP · AP-I · AP-I · I
* '''Tracers:''' IT · AP-I · IT · AP-I
* '''Stealth:''' AP-I · AP-I · I

Though the Default ammunition belt is not as bad as on other versions of the Browning .30, the Ball round is still very much useless and the Tracer/Stealth belts perform the best.

=== Comparison with analogues ===
{| class="wikitable"
! colspan="7" |''Comparable machine guns to {{PAGENAME}}''
|-
!
!''Name''!!''Year of Creation''!!''Mass''!!''Rounds Per Minute''!!''Ammunition''!!''{{Annotation|Feed Type|Belt-, drum- or magazine-fed weapon}}''
|-
|▄||'''FN-Browning M.36 No.3'''|| style="text-align:center;" |1936||14 kg|| style="text-align:center;" |1,600 RPM||7.7 x 63 mm|| style="text-align:center;" |Belt
|-
|▃
|[[Browning (7.62 mm)]]
|1919
|14 kg
|1,000 RPM
|7.62 x 63 mm
|Belt
|-
|▅||''[[Type 92 navy (7.7 mm)]]''|| style="text-align:center;" |1932||8 kg|| style="text-align:center;" |600 RPM||7.7 x 56 mm R|| style="text-align:center;" |Drum
|-
|▄||''[[Darne 1933 (7.5 mm)]]''|| style="text-align:center;" |1916||8.4 kg|| style="text-align:center;" |1,350 RPM||7.5 x 54 mm MAS
| style="text-align:center;" |Belt
|-
|▄||''[[Breda-SAFAT (7.7 mm)]]''|| style="text-align:center;" |1935||12.5 kg|| style="text-align:center;" |900 RPM||7.7 x 56 mm R
| style="text-align:center;" |Belt
|-
|▀||''[[MG 17 (7.92 mm)]]''|| style="text-align:center;" |1934||10.2 kg|| style="text-align:center;" |1,200 RPM||7.92 x 57 mm|| style="text-align:center;" |Belt
|-
|▂||''[[ShKAS (7.62 mm)]]''|| style="text-align:center;" |1932||10.5 kg|| style="text-align:center;" |1,800 RPM||7.62 x 54 mm R|| style="text-align:center;" |Belt
|-
|▄||''[[MAC 1934 (7.5 mm)]]''|| style="text-align:center;" |1934||10.7 kg|| style="text-align:center;" |1,350 RPM||7.5 x 54 mm MAS|| style="text-align:center;" |Belt/Magazine
|}
== Usage in battles ==
''Describe the cannon/machine gun in the game - its distinctive features, tactics of usage against notable opponents. Please don't write a "guide" - do not impose a single point of view, but give the reader food for thought.''

=== Pros and cons ===
''Summarise and briefly evaluate the weaponry in terms of its characteristics and combat effectiveness. Mark pros and cons as a list.''

'''Pros:'''

* High rate of fire
* Slightly larger calibre than the original US version

*

'''Cons:'''

* Ball-rounds are quite useless
* Does not penetrate much armour, does no damage to tanks

*

== History ==

The European powers in the 1930s saw a sudden rise in military build-up in response to international tensions caused by Germany's rearmament program. To arm their aircraft, a number of nations of nations turned to the Belgian company Fabrique Nationale. FN previously worked with Colt Firearms in the US to adapt the [[Browning (7.62 mm)|M1919 Browning]] from a tank machine gun to an aircraft machine with a higher rate of fire and lighter construction. While Colt would develop these guns to become an aircraft weapon of the US Army and Navy, FN would take the design and chamber in multiple calibers to export the design for a variety of countries. The Netherlands was among their customers and adopted the Browning in 7.92 mm as the M36 Browning. They would use the M36 in a variety of aircraft including the Fokker G.I "Reaper" twin-engine fighters, the Fokker DVIII biplane fighter, the North American 8A-3N ground attack craft, the Fokker C.X scout and light bomber biplane, the Fokker C.V scout aircraft, the Koolhoven F.K.51 artillery spotter and trainer, and the [[Fokker D.XXI]] fighters which saw success in both the Dutch and Finnish Air Forces. While the M.36 was originally chambered in 7.92 mm, some were instead chambered for a 7.7 mm cartridge which was used in the D.XXI and F.K.51. These guns were designated the FN Browning M.36 No.3.

== Media ==
''Excellent additions to the article would be video guides, screenshots from the game, and photos.''

== See also ==
''Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:''

* ''reference to the article about the variant of the cannon/machine gun;''
* ''references to approximate analogues by other nations and research trees.''

== External links ==
''Paste links to sources and external resources, such as:''

* ''topic on the official game forum;''
* ''encyclopedia page on the weapon;''
* ''other literature.''

{{Aircraft machine guns}}

[[Category:Aircraft machine guns]]

MAC 1934 (7.5 mm)

2022-10-25T10:44:56Z

U83153598: fixed all RPM-related factual errors and added a comparison in the usage in battles segment, making the tactic more clear to the reader.

{{About
| about = French machine gun '''{{PAGENAME}}'''
| usage = the other version
| link = MAC 1934T (7.5 mm)
}}
== Description ==

The MAC 1934 is the main machine gun used on French WW2-era aircraft, and the machine gun example of quantity over quality. The stopping power of a single bullet is lower than even most other rifle-caliber machine guns, however it makes up for that by having a shredding fire rate of 1,350 RPM and being equipped with large amounts of ammo. The gun is mostly mounted in 2 pairs, making the planes fitted with it a force to be reckoned with in the skies.

=== Vehicles equipped with this weapon ===

{{Navigation-Start|Vehicles equipped with this weapon}}

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{{Navigation-Line| }}{{Specs-Link|mb_152c1}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|ms_405c1}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|ms_406c1}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|ms_410c1}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|morko_morane}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|vg_33}}

{{Navigation-Line|'''Twin-engine fighters'''}}{{Specs-Link|potez_630}} (Defensive){{-}}{{Specs-Link|potez_631}}*

{{Navigation-Line|'''Strike aircraft'''}}{{Specs-Link|br_693_ab2}}

{{Navigation-Line|'''Bombers'''}}{{Specs-Link|db_7}}*{{-}}{{Specs-Link|f_222_2}} (Defensive){{-}}{{Specs-Link|leo_451_early}}*{{-}}{{Specs-Link|leo_451_late}}*{{-}}{{Specs-Link|mb_162}} (Defensive){{-}}{{Specs-Link|mb_174_a3}}*{{-}}{{Specs-Link|nc_223_3}} (Defensive){{-}}{{Specs-Link|potez_633}}*

{{Navigation-First-Line|}}* Machine gun used in both offensive and defensive roles

{{Navigation-End}}

== General info ==

As mentioned previously, the MAC gun comes up very short regarding raw per-bullet damage, even compared to other rifle calibre machine guns. This is primarily due to its small cartridge of 7.5 mm, slightly smaller than the tier's common 7.62, 7.7, 7.92 and 8 mm rounds of other nations. While this difference may seem minor and trivial to some, it's big enough to create a very noticeable deficiency in short bursts. However, what the MAC lacks in stopping power, it makes up for in its good accuracy, solid muzzle velocity, and blistering rate of fire of 1,350 rounds-per-minute. Although players are often gifted with a very large ammunition capacity, they may find themselves running dry quicker than expected due to this fire rate, requiring an emphasis on accuracy in sustained bursts in order to make the most out of the guns.

=== Available ammunition ===


* '''Default:''' T · Ball · Ball · Ball · I · AP
* '''Universal:''' T · AP · AP · I · I
* '''Tracers:''' I-T · I-T · I-T · I-T
* '''Stealth:''' AP · AP · I

=== Comparison with analogues ===

{| class="wikitable"
! colspan="7" |Comparable machine guns to {{PAGENAME}}
|-
!
! Name !! Year of Creation !! Mass !! Rounds Per Minute !! Ammunition !! {{Annotation|Feed Type|Belt-, drum- or magazine-fed weapon}}
|-
| ▃ || [[Browning (7.62 mm)]] || style="text-align:center;" | 1919 || 14 kg || style="text-align:center;" | 1,000 RPM || 7.62 x 63 mm || style="text-align:center;" | Belt
|-
| ▅ || [[Type 92 navy (7.7 mm)]] || style="text-align:center;" | 1932 || 8 kg || style="text-align:center;" | 600 RPM || 7.7 x 56 mm R || style="text-align:center;" | Drum
|-
| ▄ || [[Darne 1933 (7.5 mm)]] || style="text-align:center;" | 1916 || 8.4 kg || style="text-align:center;" | 1,350 RPM || 7.5 x 54 mm MAS
| style="text-align:center;" | Belt
|-
| ▄ || [[Breda-SAFAT (7.7 mm)]] || style="text-align:center;" | 1935 || 12.5 kg || style="text-align:center;" | 900 RPM || 7.7 x 56 mm R
| style="text-align:center;" | Belt
|-
| ▀ || [[MG 17 (7.92 mm)]] || style="text-align:center;" | 1934 || 10.2 kg || style="text-align:center;" | 1,200 RPM || 7.92 x 57 mm || style="text-align:center;" | Belt
|-
| ▂ || [[ShKAS (7.62 mm)]] || style="text-align:center;" | 1932 || 10.5 kg || style="text-align:center;" | 1,800 RPM || 7.62 x 54 mm R || style="text-align:center;" | Belt
|-
| ▄ || '''MAC 1934 (7.5 mm)''' || style="text-align:center;" | 1934 || 10.7 kg || style="text-align:center;" | 1,350 RPM || 7.5 x 54 mm MAS || style="text-align:center;" | Belt/Magazine
|}

== Usage in battles ==

The MAC 1934 fares well in the early BRs. As a fast-firing machine gun, on fighters always mounted in 2 pairs, it has a damage output that slightly exceeds most other guns at its BR (a notable exception being the Italian Breda SAFAT 12.7mm). The fire rate enables it to destroy enemies in medium bursts of fire, assuming most bullets hit the target. The relatively quick overheating requires the pilot to have some restraint, as nearing the overheating limit jams out some of the guns. This will not completely take your firepower out, but it will be severely limited when 2 or more guns get jammed. Overheating (and with that jamming) is however nowhere near as quick as on the ShKAS, which makes the high fire rate very sustainable.

The fights against bombers and fighters with this gun usually require different strategies. Bombers usually take a long time to take down through brute destruction (especially considering they may return fire from rear-turrets), however taking out the crew is rather easy if you get the right angle. Against fighters you will rarely rip off a wing, but in this case the ignition of engines and again the pilot are the best target to go for. Hitting these parts is quite effective, and medium bursts with short intervals will usually only improve the ability to take down single-engine planes.

A pilot using the MAC will however need to consider that the ammo, although not low is pretty limited (especially on the earlier users of this MG) due to its fire rate, and - although not as bad as the early nose-mounted Hispano 404 - will require some tactical knowledge regarding ammo expenditure. The reload time is pretty quick however, so in Arcade Battles reloading between fights is recommended.

Though not blessed with the Air-targets belt of the .50-cals, the MAC still has some valuable belts, with the Stealth and Tracer belts performing quite well.

=== Pros and cons ===


'''Pros:'''

* Very high fire rate at 1,350 rounds per minute
* Incredibly high ammunition capacity
* Very solid terminal ballistics; solid accuracy and muzzle velocity
* Large ammo capacity and amazing fire rate results in a nigh-unmatched ability to saturate an area
* Relatively harder to jam compared to contemporaries

'''Cons:'''

* Lackluster damage, even for a rifle-caliber gun
* No Air Targets ammunition belt
* Despite the impressive ammo capacity, the guns can quickly run out of ammo due to its high fire rate

== History ==
''Examine the history of the creation and combat usage of the weapon in more detail than in the introduction. If the historical reference turns out to be too long, take it to a separate article, taking a link to the article about the weapon and adding a block "/History" (example: <nowiki>https://wiki.warthunder.com/(Weapon-name)/History</nowiki>) and add a link to it here using the <code>main</code> template. Be sure to reference text and sources by using <code><nowiki><ref></ref></nowiki></code>, as well as adding them at the end of the article with <code><nowiki><references /></nowiki></code>.''

== Media ==
''Excellent additions to the article would be video guides, screenshots from the game, and photos.''

== See also ==
''Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:''

* ''reference to the article about the variant of the cannon/machine gun;''
* ''references to approximate analogues by other nations and research trees.''

== External links ==
''Paste links to sources and external resources, such as:''

* ''topic on the official game forum;''
* ''other literature.''

{{Aircraft machine guns}}

[[Category:Aircraft machine guns]]

MAC 1934 (7.5 mm)

2022-10-25T09:39:00Z

U83153598: more RPM errors even

{{About
| about = French machine gun '''{{PAGENAME}}'''
| usage = the other version
| link = MAC 1934T (7.5 mm)
}}
== Description ==

The MAC 1934 is the main machine gun used on French WW2-era aircraft, and the machine gun example of quantity over quality. The stopping power of a single bullet is lower than even most other rifle-caliber machine guns, however it makes up for that by having a shredding fire rate of 1,450 RPM and being equipped with large amounts of ammo. The gun is mostly mounted in 2 pairs, making the planes fitted with it a force to be reckoned with in the skies.

=== Vehicles equipped with this weapon ===

{{Navigation-Start|Vehicles equipped with this weapon}}

{{Navigation-First-Line|'''Fighters'''}}{{Specs-Link|caudron_cr714}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|d_371}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|d_500}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|d_501}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|d_510}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|d_510c}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|d_520_france}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|d_520}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|d_521}}
{{Navigation-Line| }}{{Specs-Link|mb_152c1}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|ms_405c1}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|ms_406c1}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|ms_410c1}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|morko_morane}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|vg_33}}

{{Navigation-Line|'''Twin-engine fighters'''}}{{Specs-Link|potez_630}} (Defensive){{-}}{{Specs-Link|potez_631}}*

{{Navigation-Line|'''Strike aircraft'''}}{{Specs-Link|br_693_ab2}}

{{Navigation-Line|'''Bombers'''}}{{Specs-Link|db_7}}*{{-}}{{Specs-Link|f_222_2}} (Defensive){{-}}{{Specs-Link|leo_451_early}}*{{-}}{{Specs-Link|leo_451_late}}*{{-}}{{Specs-Link|mb_162}} (Defensive){{-}}{{Specs-Link|mb_174_a3}}*{{-}}{{Specs-Link|nc_223_3}} (Defensive){{-}}{{Specs-Link|potez_633}}*

{{Navigation-First-Line|}}* Machine gun used in both offensive and defensive roles

{{Navigation-End}}

== General info ==

As mentioned previously, the MAC gun comes up very short regarding raw per-bullet damage, even compared to other rifle calibre machine guns. This is primarily due to its small cartridge of 7.5 mm, slightly smaller than the tier's common 7.62, 7.7, 7.92 and 8 mm rounds of other nations. While this difference may seem minor and trivial to some, it's big enough to create a very noticeable deficiency in short bursts. However, what the MAC lacks in stopping power, it makes up for in its good accuracy, solid muzzle velocity, and blistering rate of fire of 1,450 rounds-per-minute. Although players are often gifted with a very large ammunition capacity, they may find themselves running dry quicker than expected due to this fire rate, requiring an emphasis on accuracy in sustained bursts in order to make the most out of the guns.

=== Available ammunition ===


* '''Default:''' T · Ball · Ball · Ball · I · AP
* '''Universal:''' T · AP · AP · I · I
* '''Tracers:''' I-T · I-T · I-T · I-T
* '''Stealth:''' AP · AP · I

=== Comparison with analogues ===

{| class="wikitable"
! colspan="7" |Comparable machine guns to {{PAGENAME}}
|-
!
! Name !! Year of Creation !! Mass !! Rounds Per Minute !! Ammunition !! {{Annotation|Feed Type|Belt-, drum- or magazine-fed weapon}}
|-
| ▃ || [[Browning (7.62 mm)]] || style="text-align:center;" | 1919 || 14 kg || style="text-align:center;" | 600 RPM || 7.62 x 63 mm || style="text-align:center;" | Belt
|-
| ▅ || [[Type 92 navy (7.7 mm)]] || style="text-align:center;" | 1932 || 8 kg || style="text-align:center;" | 600 RPM || 7.7 x 56 mm R || style="text-align:center;" | Drum
|-
| ▄ || [[Darne 1933 (7.5 mm)]] || style="text-align:center;" | 1916 || 8.4 kg || style="text-align:center;" | 1,100 RPM || 7.5 x 54 mm MAS
| style="text-align:center;" | Belt
|-
| ▄ || [[Breda-SAFAT (7.7 mm)]] || style="text-align:center;" | 1935 || 12.5 kg || style="text-align:center;" | 900 RPM || 7.7 x 56 mm R
| style="text-align:center;" | Belt
|-
| ▀ || [[MG 17 (7.92 mm)]] || style="text-align:center;" | 1934 || 10.2 kg || style="text-align:center;" | 1,200 RPM || 7.92 x 57 mm || style="text-align:center;" | Belt
|-
| ▂ || [[ShKAS (7.62 mm)]] || style="text-align:center;" | 1932 || 10.5 kg || style="text-align:center;" | 1,800 RPM || 7.62 x 54 mm R || style="text-align:center;" | Belt
|-
| ▄ || '''MAC 1934 (7.5 mm)''' || style="text-align:center;" | 1934 || 10.7 kg || style="text-align:center;" | 1,450 RPM || 7.5 x 54 mm MAS || style="text-align:center;" | Belt/Magazine
|}

== Usage in battles ==

The MAC 1934 fares well in the early BRs. As a fast-firing machine gun, on fighters always mounted in 2 pairs, it has a damage output that slightly exceeds most other guns at its BR (a notable exception being the Italian Breda SAFAT 12.7mm). The fire rate enables it to destroy enemies in medium bursts of fire, assuming most bullets hit the target. The relatively quick overheating requires the pilot to have some restraint, as nearing the overheating limit jams out some of the guns. This will not completely take your firepower out, but it will be severely limited when 2 or more guns get jammed.

The fights against bombers and fighters with this gun usually require different strategies. Bombers usually take a long time to take down through brute destruction (especially considering they may return fire from rear-turrets), however taking out the crew is rather easy if you get the right angle. Against fighters you will rarely rip off a wing, but in this case the ignition of engines and again the pilot are the best target to go for. Hitting these parts is quite effective, and medium bursts with short intervals will usually only improve the ability to take down single-engine planes.

A pilot using the MAC will however need to consider that the ammo, although not low is pretty limited (especially on the earlier users of this MG) due to its fire rate, and - although not as bad as the early nose-mounted Hispano 404 - will require some tactical knowledge regarding ammo expenditure. The reload time is pretty quick however, so in Arcade Battles reloading between fights is recommended.

Though not blessed with the Air-targets belt of the .50-cals, the MAC still has some valuable belts, with the Stealth and Tracer belts performing quite well.

=== Pros and cons ===


'''Pros:'''

* Fast firing rifle-caliber gun of its era
* Incredibly high ammunition capacity
* Very solid terminal ballistics; solid accuracy and muzzle velocity
* Large ammo capacity and amazing fire rate results in a nigh-unmatched ability to saturate an area
* Relatively harder to jam compared to contemporaries

'''Cons:'''

* Lackluster damage, even for a rifle-caliber gun
* No Air Targets ammunition belt
* Despite the impressive ammo capacity, the guns can quickly run out of ammo due to its high fire rate

== History ==
''Examine the history of the creation and combat usage of the weapon in more detail than in the introduction. If the historical reference turns out to be too long, take it to a separate article, taking a link to the article about the weapon and adding a block "/History" (example: <nowiki>https://wiki.warthunder.com/(Weapon-name)/History</nowiki>) and add a link to it here using the <code>main</code> template. Be sure to reference text and sources by using <code><nowiki><ref></ref></nowiki></code>, as well as adding them at the end of the article with <code><nowiki><references /></nowiki></code>.''

== Media ==
''Excellent additions to the article would be video guides, screenshots from the game, and photos.''

== See also ==
''Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:''

* ''reference to the article about the variant of the cannon/machine gun;''
* ''references to approximate analogues by other nations and research trees.''

== External links ==
''Paste links to sources and external resources, such as:''

* ''topic on the official game forum;''
* ''other literature.''

{{Aircraft machine guns}}

[[Category:Aircraft machine guns]]

MAC 1934 (7.5 mm)

2022-10-25T09:37:08Z

U83153598: yet another RPM error fixed

{{About
| about = French machine gun '''{{PAGENAME}}'''
| usage = the other version
| link = MAC 1934T (7.5 mm)
}}
== Description ==

The MAC 1934 is the main machine gun used on French WW2-era aircraft, and the machine gun example of quantity over quality. The stopping power of a single bullet is lower than even most other rifle-caliber machine guns, however it makes up for that by having a shredding fire rate of 1,450 RPM and being equipped with large amounts of ammo. The gun is mostly mounted in 2 pairs, making the planes fitted with it a force to be reckoned with in the skies.

=== Vehicles equipped with this weapon ===

{{Navigation-Start|Vehicles equipped with this weapon}}

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{{Navigation-End}}

== General info ==

As mentioned previously, the MAC gun comes up very short regarding raw per-bullet damage, even compared to other rifle calibre machine guns. This is primarily due to its small cartridge of 7.5 mm, slightly smaller than the tier's common 7.62, 7.7, 7.92 and 8 mm rounds of other nations. While this difference may seem minor and trivial to some, it's big enough to create a very noticeable deficiency in short bursts. However, what the MAC lacks in stopping power, it makes up for in its good accuracy, solid muzzle velocity, and blistering rate of fire of 1,450 rounds-per-minute. Although players are often gifted with a very large ammunition capacity, they may find themselves running dry quicker than expected due to this fire rate, requiring an emphasis on accuracy in sustained bursts in order to make the most out of the guns.

=== Available ammunition ===


* '''Default:''' T · Ball · Ball · Ball · I · AP
* '''Universal:''' T · AP · AP · I · I
* '''Tracers:''' I-T · I-T · I-T · I-T
* '''Stealth:''' AP · AP · I

=== Comparison with analogues ===

{| class="wikitable"
! colspan="7" |Comparable machine guns to {{PAGENAME}}
|-
!
! Name !! Year of Creation !! Mass !! Rounds Per Minute !! Ammunition !! {{Annotation|Feed Type|Belt-, drum- or magazine-fed weapon}}
|-
| ▃ || [[Browning (7.62 mm)]] || style="text-align:center;" | 1919 || 14 kg || style="text-align:center;" | 600 RPM || 7.62 x 63 mm || style="text-align:center;" | Belt
|-
| ▅ || [[Type 92 navy (7.7 mm)]] || style="text-align:center;" | 1932 || 8 kg || style="text-align:center;" | 600 RPM || 7.7 x 56 mm R || style="text-align:center;" | Drum
|-
| ▄ || [[Darne 1933 (7.5 mm)]] || style="text-align:center;" | 1916 || 8.4 kg || style="text-align:center;" | 1,100 RPM || 7.5 x 54 mm MAS
| style="text-align:center;" | Belt
|-
| ▄ || [[Breda-SAFAT (7.7 mm)]] || style="text-align:center;" | 1935 || 12.5 kg || style="text-align:center;" | 900 RPM || 7.7 x 56 mm R
| style="text-align:center;" | Belt
|-
| ▀ || [[MG 17 (7.92 mm)]] || style="text-align:center;" | 1934 || 10.2 kg || style="text-align:center;" | 1,150 RPM || 7.92 x 57 mm || style="text-align:center;" | Belt
|-
| ▂ || [[ShKAS (7.62 mm)]] || style="text-align:center;" | 1932 || 10.5 kg || style="text-align:center;" | 1,800 RPM || 7.62 x 54 mm R || style="text-align:center;" | Belt
|-
| ▄ || '''MAC 1934 (7.5 mm)''' || style="text-align:center;" | 1934 || 10.7 kg || style="text-align:center;" | 1,450 RPM || 7.5 x 54 mm MAS || style="text-align:center;" | Belt/Magazine
|}

== Usage in battles ==

The MAC 1934 fares well in the early BRs. As a fast-firing machine gun, on fighters always mounted in 2 pairs, it has a damage output that slightly exceeds most other guns at its BR (a notable exception being the Italian Breda SAFAT 12.7mm). The fire rate enables it to destroy enemies in medium bursts of fire, assuming most bullets hit the target. The relatively quick overheating requires the pilot to have some restraint, as nearing the overheating limit jams out some of the guns. This will not completely take your firepower out, but it will be severely limited when 2 or more guns get jammed.

The fights against bombers and fighters with this gun usually require different strategies. Bombers usually take a long time to take down through brute destruction (especially considering they may return fire from rear-turrets), however taking out the crew is rather easy if you get the right angle. Against fighters you will rarely rip off a wing, but in this case the ignition of engines and again the pilot are the best target to go for. Hitting these parts is quite effective, and medium bursts with short intervals will usually only improve the ability to take down single-engine planes.

A pilot using the MAC will however need to consider that the ammo, although not low is pretty limited (especially on the earlier users of this MG) due to its fire rate, and - although not as bad as the early nose-mounted Hispano 404 - will require some tactical knowledge regarding ammo expenditure. The reload time is pretty quick however, so in Arcade Battles reloading between fights is recommended.

Though not blessed with the Air-targets belt of the .50-cals, the MAC still has some valuable belts, with the Stealth and Tracer belts performing quite well.

=== Pros and cons ===


'''Pros:'''

* Fast firing rifle-caliber gun of its era
* Incredibly high ammunition capacity
* Very solid terminal ballistics; solid accuracy and muzzle velocity
* Large ammo capacity and amazing fire rate results in a nigh-unmatched ability to saturate an area
* Relatively harder to jam compared to contemporaries

'''Cons:'''

* Lackluster damage, even for a rifle-caliber gun
* No Air Targets ammunition belt
* Despite the impressive ammo capacity, the guns can quickly run out of ammo due to its high fire rate

== History ==
''Examine the history of the creation and combat usage of the weapon in more detail than in the introduction. If the historical reference turns out to be too long, take it to a separate article, taking a link to the article about the weapon and adding a block "/History" (example: <nowiki>https://wiki.warthunder.com/(Weapon-name)/History</nowiki>) and add a link to it here using the <code>main</code> template. Be sure to reference text and sources by using <code><nowiki><ref></ref></nowiki></code>, as well as adding them at the end of the article with <code><nowiki><references /></nowiki></code>.''

== Media ==
''Excellent additions to the article would be video guides, screenshots from the game, and photos.''

== See also ==
''Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:''

* ''reference to the article about the variant of the cannon/machine gun;''
* ''references to approximate analogues by other nations and research trees.''

== External links ==
''Paste links to sources and external resources, such as:''

* ''topic on the official game forum;''
* ''other literature.''

{{Aircraft machine guns}}

[[Category:Aircraft machine guns]]

MAC 1934 (7.5 mm)

2022-10-25T09:34:29Z

U83153598: more fixing of errors related to RPM, this time the underestimating of the Browning's RPM by 400.

{{About
| about = French machine gun '''{{PAGENAME}}'''
| usage = the other version
| link = MAC 1934T (7.5 mm)
}}
== Description ==

The MAC 1934 is the main machine gun used on French WW2-era aircraft, and the machine gun example of quantity over quality. The stopping power of a single bullet is lower than even most other rifle-caliber machine guns, however it makes up for that by having a shredding fire rate of 1,450 RPM and being equipped with large amounts of ammo. The gun is mostly mounted in 2 pairs, making the planes fitted with it a force to be reckoned with in the skies.

=== Vehicles equipped with this weapon ===

{{Navigation-Start|Vehicles equipped with this weapon}}

{{Navigation-First-Line|'''Fighters'''}}{{Specs-Link|caudron_cr714}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|d_371}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|d_500}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|d_501}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|d_510}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|d_510c}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|d_520_france}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|d_520}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|d_521}}
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{{Navigation-Line|'''Twin-engine fighters'''}}{{Specs-Link|potez_630}} (Defensive){{-}}{{Specs-Link|potez_631}}*

{{Navigation-Line|'''Strike aircraft'''}}{{Specs-Link|br_693_ab2}}

{{Navigation-Line|'''Bombers'''}}{{Specs-Link|db_7}}*{{-}}{{Specs-Link|f_222_2}} (Defensive){{-}}{{Specs-Link|leo_451_early}}*{{-}}{{Specs-Link|leo_451_late}}*{{-}}{{Specs-Link|mb_162}} (Defensive){{-}}{{Specs-Link|mb_174_a3}}*{{-}}{{Specs-Link|nc_223_3}} (Defensive){{-}}{{Specs-Link|potez_633}}*

{{Navigation-First-Line|}}* Machine gun used in both offensive and defensive roles

{{Navigation-End}}

== General info ==

As mentioned previously, the MAC gun comes up very short regarding raw per-bullet damage, even compared to other rifle calibre machine guns. This is primarily due to its small cartridge of 7.5 mm, slightly smaller than the tier's common 7.62, 7.7, 7.92 and 8 mm rounds of other nations. While this difference may seem minor and trivial to some, it's big enough to create a very noticeable deficiency in short bursts. However, what the MAC lacks in stopping power, it makes up for in its good accuracy, solid muzzle velocity, and blistering rate of fire of 1,450 rounds-per-minute. Although players are often gifted with a very large ammunition capacity, they may find themselves running dry quicker than expected due to this fire rate, requiring an emphasis on accuracy in sustained bursts in order to make the most out of the guns.

=== Available ammunition ===


* '''Default:''' T · Ball · Ball · Ball · I · AP
* '''Universal:''' T · AP · AP · I · I
* '''Tracers:''' I-T · I-T · I-T · I-T
* '''Stealth:''' AP · AP · I

=== Comparison with analogues ===

{| class="wikitable"
! colspan="7" |Comparable machine guns to {{PAGENAME}}
|-
!
! Name !! Year of Creation !! Mass !! Rounds Per Minute !! Ammunition !! {{Annotation|Feed Type|Belt-, drum- or magazine-fed weapon}}
|-
| ▃ || [[Browning (7.62 mm)]] || style="text-align:center;" | 1919 || 14 kg || style="text-align:center;" | 1,000 RPM || 7.62 x 63 mm || style="text-align:center;" | Belt
|-
| ▅ || [[Type 92 navy (7.7 mm)]] || style="text-align:center;" | 1932 || 8 kg || style="text-align:center;" | 600 RPM || 7.7 x 56 mm R || style="text-align:center;" | Drum
|-
| ▄ || [[Darne 1933 (7.5 mm)]] || style="text-align:center;" | 1916 || 8.4 kg || style="text-align:center;" | 1,100 RPM || 7.5 x 54 mm MAS
| style="text-align:center;" | Belt
|-
| ▄ || [[Breda-SAFAT (7.7 mm)]] || style="text-align:center;" | 1935 || 12.5 kg || style="text-align:center;" | 850 RPM || 7.7 x 56 mm R
| style="text-align:center;" | Belt
|-
| ▀ || [[MG 17 (7.92 mm)]] || style="text-align:center;" | 1934 || 10.2 kg || style="text-align:center;" | 1,150 RPM || 7.92 x 57 mm || style="text-align:center;" | Belt
|-
| ▂ || [[ShKAS (7.62 mm)]] || style="text-align:center;" | 1932 || 10.5 kg || style="text-align:center;" | 1,800 RPM || 7.62 x 54 mm R || style="text-align:center;" | Belt
|-
| ▄ || '''MAC 1934 (7.5 mm)''' || style="text-align:center;" | 1934 || 10.7 kg || style="text-align:center;" | 1,450 RPM || 7.5 x 54 mm MAS || style="text-align:center;" | Belt/Magazine
|}

== Usage in battles ==

The MAC 1934 fares well in the early BRs. As a fast-firing machine gun, on fighters always mounted in 2 pairs, it has a damage output that slightly exceeds most other guns at its BR (a notable exception being the Italian Breda SAFAT 12.7mm). The fire rate enables it to destroy enemies in medium bursts of fire, assuming most bullets hit the target. The relatively quick overheating requires the pilot to have some restraint, as nearing the overheating limit jams out some of the guns. This will not completely take your firepower out, but it will be severely limited when 2 or more guns get jammed.

The fights against bombers and fighters with this gun usually require different strategies. Bombers usually take a long time to take down through brute destruction (especially considering they may return fire from rear-turrets), however taking out the crew is rather easy if you get the right angle. Against fighters you will rarely rip off a wing, but in this case the ignition of engines and again the pilot are the best target to go for. Hitting these parts is quite effective, and medium bursts with short intervals will usually only improve the ability to take down single-engine planes.

A pilot using the MAC will however need to consider that the ammo, although not low is pretty limited (especially on the earlier users of this MG) due to its fire rate, and - although not as bad as the early nose-mounted Hispano 404 - will require some tactical knowledge regarding ammo expenditure. The reload time is pretty quick however, so in Arcade Battles reloading between fights is recommended.

Though not blessed with the Air-targets belt of the .50-cals, the MAC still has some valuable belts, with the Stealth and Tracer belts performing quite well.

=== Pros and cons ===


'''Pros:'''

* Fast firing rifle-caliber gun of its era
* Incredibly high ammunition capacity
* Very solid terminal ballistics; solid accuracy and muzzle velocity
* Large ammo capacity and amazing fire rate results in a nigh-unmatched ability to saturate an area
* Relatively harder to jam compared to contemporaries

'''Cons:'''

* Lackluster damage, even for a rifle-caliber gun
* No Air Targets ammunition belt
* Despite the impressive ammo capacity, the guns can quickly run out of ammo due to its high fire rate

== History ==
''Examine the history of the creation and combat usage of the weapon in more detail than in the introduction. If the historical reference turns out to be too long, take it to a separate article, taking a link to the article about the weapon and adding a block "/History" (example: <nowiki>https://wiki.warthunder.com/(Weapon-name)/History</nowiki>) and add a link to it here using the <code>main</code> template. Be sure to reference text and sources by using <code><nowiki><ref></ref></nowiki></code>, as well as adding them at the end of the article with <code><nowiki><references /></nowiki></code>.''

== Media ==
''Excellent additions to the article would be video guides, screenshots from the game, and photos.''

== See also ==
''Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:''

* ''reference to the article about the variant of the cannon/machine gun;''
* ''references to approximate analogues by other nations and research trees.''

== External links ==
''Paste links to sources and external resources, such as:''

* ''topic on the official game forum;''
* ''other literature.''

{{Aircraft machine guns}}

[[Category:Aircraft machine guns]]

MAC 1934 (7.5 mm)

2022-10-25T09:30:14Z

U83153598: fixed some factual errors regarding the fire rate, which in this article is often mentioned being 1450 RPM, 100 above the actual RPM in-game.

{{About
| about = French machine gun '''{{PAGENAME}}'''
| usage = the other version
| link = MAC 1934T (7.5 mm)
}}
== Description ==

The MAC 1934 is the main machine gun used on French WW2-era aircraft, and the machine gun example of quantity over quality. The stopping power of a single bullet is lower than even most other rifle-caliber machine guns, however it makes up for that by having a shredding fire rate of 1,350 RPM and being equipped with large amounts of ammo. The gun is mostly mounted in 2 pairs, making the planes fitted with it a force to be reckoned with in the skies.

=== Vehicles equipped with this weapon ===

{{Navigation-Start|Vehicles equipped with this weapon}}

{{Navigation-First-Line|'''Fighters'''}}{{Specs-Link|caudron_cr714}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|d_371}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|d_500}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|d_501}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|d_510}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|d_510c}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|d_520_france}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|d_520}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|d_521}}
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{{Navigation-Line|'''Twin-engine fighters'''}}{{Specs-Link|potez_630}} (Defensive){{-}}{{Specs-Link|potez_631}}*

{{Navigation-Line|'''Strike aircraft'''}}{{Specs-Link|br_693_ab2}}

{{Navigation-Line|'''Bombers'''}}{{Specs-Link|db_7}}*{{-}}{{Specs-Link|f_222_2}} (Defensive){{-}}{{Specs-Link|leo_451_early}}*{{-}}{{Specs-Link|leo_451_late}}*{{-}}{{Specs-Link|mb_162}} (Defensive){{-}}{{Specs-Link|mb_174_a3}}*{{-}}{{Specs-Link|nc_223_3}} (Defensive){{-}}{{Specs-Link|potez_633}}*

{{Navigation-First-Line|}}* Machine gun used in both offensive and defensive roles

{{Navigation-End}}

== General info ==

As mentioned previously, the MAC gun comes up very short regarding raw per-bullet damage, even compared to other rifle calibre machine guns. This is primarily due to its small cartridge of 7.5 mm, slightly smaller than the tier's common 7.62, 7.7, 7.92 and 8 mm rounds of other nations. While this difference may seem minor and trivial to some, it's big enough to create a very noticeable deficiency in short bursts. However, what the MAC lacks in stopping power, it makes up for in its good accuracy, solid muzzle velocity, and blistering rate of fire of 1,350 rounds-per-minute. Although players are often gifted with a very large ammunition capacity, they may find themselves running dry quicker than expected due to this fire rate, requiring an emphasis on accuracy in sustained bursts in order to make the most out of the guns.

=== Available ammunition ===


* '''Default:''' T · Ball · Ball · Ball · I · AP
* '''Universal:''' T · AP · AP · I · I
* '''Tracers:''' I-T · I-T · I-T · I-T
* '''Stealth:''' AP · AP · I

=== Comparison with analogues ===

{| class="wikitable"
! colspan="7" |Comparable machine guns to {{PAGENAME}}
|-
!
! Name !! Year of Creation !! Mass !! Rounds Per Minute !! Ammunition !! {{Annotation|Feed Type|Belt-, drum- or magazine-fed weapon}}
|-
| ▃ || [[Browning (7.62 mm)]] || style="text-align:center;" | 1919 || 14 kg || style="text-align:center;" | 600 RPM || 7.62 x 63 mm || style="text-align:center;" | Belt
|-
| ▅ || [[Type 92 navy (7.7 mm)]] || style="text-align:center;" | 1932 || 8 kg || style="text-align:center;" | 600 RPM || 7.7 x 56 mm R || style="text-align:center;" | Drum
|-
| ▄ || [[Darne 1933 (7.5 mm)]] || style="text-align:center;" | 1916 || 8.4 kg || style="text-align:center;" | 1,100 RPM || 7.5 x 54 mm MAS
| style="text-align:center;" | Belt
|-
| ▄ || [[Breda-SAFAT (7.7 mm)]] || style="text-align:center;" | 1935 || 12.5 kg || style="text-align:center;" | 850 RPM || 7.7 x 56 mm R
| style="text-align:center;" | Belt
|-
| ▀ || [[MG 17 (7.92 mm)]] || style="text-align:center;" | 1934 || 10.2 kg || style="text-align:center;" | 1,150 RPM || 7.92 x 57 mm || style="text-align:center;" | Belt
|-
| ▂ || [[ShKAS (7.62 mm)]] || style="text-align:center;" | 1932 || 10.5 kg || style="text-align:center;" | 1,800 RPM || 7.62 x 54 mm R || style="text-align:center;" | Belt
|-
| ▄ || '''MAC 1934 (7.5 mm)''' || style="text-align:center;" | 1934 || 10.7 kg || style="text-align:center;" | 1,350 RPM || 7.5 x 54 mm MAS || style="text-align:center;" | Belt/Magazine
|}

== Usage in battles ==

The MAC 1934 fares well in the early BRs. As a fast-firing machine gun, on fighters always mounted in 2 pairs, it has a damage output that slightly exceeds most other guns at its BR (a notable exception being the Italian Breda SAFAT 12.7mm). The fire rate enables it to destroy enemies in medium bursts of fire, assuming most bullets hit the target. The relatively quick overheating requires the pilot to have some restraint, as nearing the overheating limit jams out some of the guns. This will not completely take your firepower out, but it will be severely limited when 2 or more guns get jammed.

The fights against bombers and fighters with this gun usually require different strategies. Bombers usually take a long time to take down through brute destruction (especially considering they may return fire from rear-turrets), however taking out the crew is rather easy if you get the right angle. Against fighters you will rarely rip off a wing, but in this case the ignition of engines and again the pilot are the best target to go for. Hitting these parts is quite effective, and medium bursts with short intervals will usually only improve the ability to take down single-engine planes.

A pilot using the MAC will however need to consider that the ammo, although not low is pretty limited (especially on the earlier users of this MG) due to its fire rate, and - although not as bad as the early nose-mounted Hispano 404 - will require some tactical knowledge regarding ammo expenditure. The reload time is pretty quick however, so in Arcade Battles reloading between fights is recommended.

Though not blessed with the Air-targets belt of the .50-cals, the MAC still has some valuable belts, with the Stealth and Tracer belts performing quite well.

=== Pros and cons ===


'''Pros:'''

* Very high firing rate at 1,350 RPM
* Incredibly high ammunition capacity
* Very solid terminal ballistics; solid accuracy and muzzle velocity
* Large ammo capacity and amazing fire rate results in a nigh-unmatched ability to saturate an area
* Relatively harder to jam compared to contemporaries

'''Cons:'''

* Lackluster damage, even for a rifle-caliber gun
* No Air Targets ammunition belt
* Despite the impressive ammo capacity, the guns can quickly run out of ammo due to its high fire rate

== History ==
''Examine the history of the creation and combat usage of the weapon in more detail than in the introduction. If the historical reference turns out to be too long, take it to a separate article, taking a link to the article about the weapon and adding a block "/History" (example: <nowiki>https://wiki.warthunder.com/(Weapon-name)/History</nowiki>) and add a link to it here using the <code>main</code> template. Be sure to reference text and sources by using <code><nowiki><ref></ref></nowiki></code>, as well as adding them at the end of the article with <code><nowiki><references /></nowiki></code>.''

== Media ==
''Excellent additions to the article would be video guides, screenshots from the game, and photos.''

== See also ==
''Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:''

* ''reference to the article about the variant of the cannon/machine gun;''
* ''references to approximate analogues by other nations and research trees.''

== External links ==
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[[Category:Aircraft machine guns]]

Darne 1933 (7.5 mm)

2022-09-29T19:21:49Z

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== Description ==
The Darne 1933 is an interwar machine gun used by the French air force, and is in most ways a predecessor of the [[MAC 1934 (7.5 mm)|MAC 1934]]. It fields the same characteristic trade of low per-bullet stopping power for high fire rate and is about equal in lethality to its successor, only really lacking the resistance to jamming and a little extra accuracy compared to its heir.

=== Vehicles equipped with this weapon ===


* {{Specs-Link|d_500}}

== General info ==
''Tell us about the tactical and technical characteristics of the cannon or machine gun.''

=== Available ammunition ===
''Describe the shells that are available for the weapon and their features and purpose. If it concerns autocannons or machine guns, write about different ammo belts and what is inside (which types of shells).''

=== Comparison with analogues ===
''Give a comparative description of cannons/machine guns that have firepower equal to this weapon.''

== Usage in battles ==
''Describe the cannon/machine gun in the game - its distinctive features, tactics of usage against notable opponents. Please don't write a "guide" - do not impose a single point of view, but give the reader food for thought.''

=== Pros and cons ===
'''Pros:'''

* High rate of fire at a blazing 1,350 RPM
* Good gun-platform, great accuracy
* Large amounts of ammo

*

'''Cons:'''

* Low per-bullet damage
* Nearing overheat causes jamming relatively fast

*

== History ==
''Examine the history of the creation and combat usage of the weapon in more detail than in the introduction. If the historical reference turns out to be too long, take it to a separate article, taking a link to the article about the weapon and adding a block "/ History" (example: <nowiki>https://wiki.warthunder.com/(Weapon-name)/History</nowiki>) and add a link to it here using the <code>main</code> template. Be sure to reference text and sources by using <code><nowiki><ref></ref></nowiki></code>, as well as adding them at the end of the article with <code><nowiki><references /></nowiki></code>.''

== Media ==
''Excellent additions to the article would be video guides, screenshots from the game, and photos.''

== See also ==
''Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:''

* ''reference to the article about the variant of the cannon/machine gun;''
* ''references to approximate analogues by other nations and research trees.''

== External links ==
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[[Category:Aircraft machine guns]]

Darne 1933 (7.5 mm)

2022-09-29T19:17:16Z

U83153598: /* Pros and cons */

== Description ==
''Write an introduction to the article in 2-3 small paragraphs. Briefly tell us about the history of the development and combat using the weaponry and also about its features. Compile a list of air, ground, or naval vehicles that feature this weapon system in the game.''

=== Vehicles equipped with this weapon ===


* {{Specs-Link|d_500}}

== General info ==
''Tell us about the tactical and technical characteristics of the cannon or machine gun.''

=== Available ammunition ===
''Describe the shells that are available for the weapon and their features and purpose. If it concerns autocannons or machine guns, write about different ammo belts and what is inside (which types of shells).''

=== Comparison with analogues ===
''Give a comparative description of cannons/machine guns that have firepower equal to this weapon.''

== Usage in battles ==
''Describe the cannon/machine gun in the game - its distinctive features, tactics of usage against notable opponents. Please don't write a "guide" - do not impose a single point of view, but give the reader food for thought.''

=== Pros and cons ===
'''Pros:'''

* High rate of fire at a blazing 1,350 RPM
* Good gun-platform, great accuracy
* Large amounts of ammo

*

'''Cons:'''

* Low per-bullet damage
* Nearing overheat causes jamming relatively fast

*

== History ==
''Examine the history of the creation and combat usage of the weapon in more detail than in the introduction. If the historical reference turns out to be too long, take it to a separate article, taking a link to the article about the weapon and adding a block "/ History" (example: <nowiki>https://wiki.warthunder.com/(Weapon-name)/History</nowiki>) and add a link to it here using the <code>main</code> template. Be sure to reference text and sources by using <code><nowiki><ref></ref></nowiki></code>, as well as adding them at the end of the article with <code><nowiki><references /></nowiki></code>.''

== Media ==
''Excellent additions to the article would be video guides, screenshots from the game, and photos.''

== See also ==
''Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:''

* ''reference to the article about the variant of the cannon/machine gun;''
* ''references to approximate analogues by other nations and research trees.''

== External links ==
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{{Aircraft machine guns}}

[[Category:Aircraft machine guns]]

MAC 1934 (7.5 mm)

2022-09-29T19:13:57Z

U83153598: /* General info */

{{About
| about = French machine gun '''{{PAGENAME}}'''
| usage = the other version
| link = MAC 1934T (7.5 mm)
}}
== Description ==

The MAC 1934 is the main machine gun used on French WW2-era aircraft, and the machine gun example of quantity over quality. The stopping power of a single bullet is lower than even most other rifle-caliber machine guns, however it makes up for that by having a shredding fire rate of 1,450 RPM and being equipped with large amounts of ammo. The gun is mostly mounted in 2 pairs, making the planes fitted with it a force to be reckoned with in the skies.

=== Vehicles equipped with this weapon ===

{{Navigation-Start|Vehicles equipped with this weapon}}

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{{Navigation-Line|'''Twin-engine fighters'''}}{{Specs-Link|potez_630}} (Defensive){{-}}{{Specs-Link|potez_631}}*

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{{Navigation-First-Line|}}* Machine gun used in both offensive and defensive roles

{{Navigation-End}}

== General info ==

As mentioned previously, the MAC gun comes up very short regarding raw per-bullet damage, even compared to other rifle calibre machine guns. This is primarily due to its small cartridge of 7.5 mm, slightly smaller than the tier's common 7.62, 7.7, 7.92 and 8 mm rounds of other nations. While this difference may seem minor and trivial to some, it's big enough to create a very noticeable deficiency in short bursts. However, what the MAC lacks in stopping power, it makes up for in its good accuracy, solid muzzle velocity, and blistering rate of fire of 1,450 rounds-per-minute. Although players are often gifted with a very large ammunition capacity, they may find themselves running dry quicker than expected due to this fire rate, requiring an emphasis on accuracy in sustained bursts in order to make the most out of the guns.

=== Available ammunition ===

* '''Default:''' T · Ball · Ball · Ball · I · AP
* '''Universal:''' T · AP · AP · I · I
* '''Tracers:''' I-T · I-T · I-T · I-T
* '''Stealth:''' AP · AP · I

=== Comparison with analogues ===

{| class="wikitable"
! colspan="7" |Comparable machine guns to {{PAGENAME}}
|-
!
! Name !! Year of Creation !! Mass !! Rounds Per Minute !! Ammunition !! {{Annotation|Feed Type|Belt-, drum- or magazine-fed weapon}}
|-
| ▃ || [[Browning (7.62 mm)]] || style="text-align:center;" | 1919 || 14 kg || style="text-align:center;" | 600 RPM || 7.62 x 63 mm || style="text-align:center;" | Belt
|-
| ▅ || [[Type 92 navy (7.7 mm)]] || style="text-align:center;" | 1932 || 8 kg || style="text-align:center;" | 600 RPM || 7.7 x 56 mm R || style="text-align:center;" | Drum
|-
| ▄ || [[Darne 1933 (7.5 mm)]] || style="text-align:center;" | 1916 || 8.4 kg || style="text-align:center;" | 1,100 RPM || 7.5 x 54 mm MAS
| style="text-align:center;" | Belt
|-
| ▄ || [[Breda-SAFAT (7.7 mm)]] || style="text-align:center;" | 1935 || 12.5 kg || style="text-align:center;" | 850 RPM || 7.7 x 56 mm R
| style="text-align:center;" | Belt
|-
| ▀ || [[MG 17 (7.92 mm)]] || style="text-align:center;" | 1934 || 10.2 kg || style="text-align:center;" | 1,150 RPM || 7.92 x 57 mm || style="text-align:center;" | Belt
|-
| ▂ || [[ShKAS (7.62 mm)]] || style="text-align:center;" | 1932 || 10.5 kg || style="text-align:center;" | 1,800 RPM || 7.62 x 54 mm R || style="text-align:center;" | Belt
|-
| ▄ || '''MAC 1934 (7.5 mm)''' || style="text-align:center;" | 1934 || 10.7 kg || style="text-align:center;" | 1,450 RPM || 7.5 x 54 mm MAS || style="text-align:center;" | Belt/Magazine
|}

== Usage in battles ==
The MAC 1934 fares well in the early BRs. As a fast-firing machine gun, on fighters always mounted in 2 pairs, it has a damage output that slightly exceeds most other guns at its BR (a notable exception being the Italian Breda SAFAT 12.7mm). The fire rate enables it to kill enemies in medium bursts of fire, assuming most bullets hit the target. The relatively quick overheating requires the pilot to have some restraint, as nearing the overheating limit jams out some of the guns. This will not completely take your firepower out, but it will be severely limited when 2 or more guns get jammed.

The fights against bombers and fighters with this gun usually require different strategies. Bombers usually take a long time to take down through brute destruction (especially considering they may return fire from rear-turrets), however taking out the crew is rather easy if you get the right angle. Against fighters you will rarely rip off a wing, but in this case the ignition of engines and again the pilot are the best target to go for. Hitting these parts is quite effective, and medium bursts with short intervals will usually only improve the ability to take down single-engine planes.

A pilot using the MAC will however need to consider that the ammo, although not low is pretty limited (especially on the earlier users of this MG) due to its fire rate, and - although not as bad as the early nose-mounted Hispano 404 - will require some tactical knowledge regarding ammo expenditure. The reload time is pretty quick however, so in Arcade Battles reloading between fights is recommended.

Though not blessed with the Air-targets belt of the .50-cals, the MAC still has some valuable belts, with the Stealth and Tracer belts performing quite well.

=== Pros and cons ===


'''Pros:'''

* Fast firing rifle-caliber gun of its era
* Incredibly high ammunition capacity
* Very solid terminal ballistics; solid accuracy and muzzle velocity
* Large ammo capacity and amazing fire rate results in a nigh-unmatched ability to saturate an area
* Relatively harder to jam compared to contemporaries

'''Cons:'''

* Lackluster damage, even for a rifle-caliber gun
* No Air Targets ammunition belt
* Despite the impressive ammo capacity, the guns can quickly run out of ammo due to its high fire rate

== History ==
In 1934, the Manufacture d'Armes de Châtellerault (Châtellerault weapons manufacturing company, often shortened to MAC) completed the development of the MAC 1934 machine gun to replace the Darne mod. 1933 machine gun aboard aircraft of the Armée de l'Air. Essentially a faster-firing variant of the mitrailleuse mle 1931, and using the same 7.5 mm MAS ammunition, the MAC 34 worked by gas operation and was fed from drum magazines. Because it used an open bolt action, the MAC 34 could not be fitted with synchronization gear, and was more expensive to manufacture than comparable weapons; but it was compact and had excellent reliability. Originally the Armée de l'Air favoured magazine-fed weapons, but it eventually accepted that the feeding system of the MAC 34 would require too frequent reloading for dorsal gunners, and was impractical for wing mountings, so it required the development of a belt-fed variant. The resulting weapon was introduced in 1939, and designated as MAC 1934 M39.<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MAC_1934</ref>

== Media ==
''Excellent additions to the article would be video guides, screenshots from the game, and photos.''

== See also ==
''Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:''

* ''reference to the article about the variant of the cannon/machine gun;''
* ''references to approximate analogues by other nations and research trees.''

== External links ==
''Paste links to sources and external resources, such as:''

* ''topic on the official game forum;''
* ''other literature.''

{{Aircraft machine guns}}

[[Category:Aircraft machine guns]]
<references />

MAC 1934 (7.5 mm)

2022-09-29T19:12:22Z

U83153598: /* Usage in battles */

{{About
| about = French machine gun '''{{PAGENAME}}'''
| usage = the other version
| link = MAC 1934T (7.5 mm)
}}
== Description ==

The MAC 1934 is the main machine gun used on French WW2-era aircraft, and the machine gun example of quantity over quality. The stopping power of a single bullet is lower than even most other rifle-caliber machine guns, however it makes up for that by having a shredding fire rate of 1,450 RPM and being equipped with large amounts of ammo. The gun is mostly mounted in 2 pairs, making the planes fitted with it a force to be reckoned with in the skies.

=== Vehicles equipped with this weapon ===

{{Navigation-Start|Vehicles equipped with this weapon}}

{{Navigation-First-Line|'''Fighters'''}}{{Specs-Link|caudron_cr714}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|d_371}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|d_500}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|d_501}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|d_510}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|d_510c}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|d_520_france}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|d_520}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|d_521}}
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{{Navigation-Line|'''Twin-engine fighters'''}}{{Specs-Link|potez_630}} (Defensive){{-}}{{Specs-Link|potez_631}}*

{{Navigation-Line|'''Strike aircraft'''}}{{Specs-Link|br_693_ab2}}

{{Navigation-Line|'''Bombers'''}}{{Specs-Link|db_7}}*{{-}}{{Specs-Link|f_222_2}} (Defensive){{-}}{{Specs-Link|leo_451_early}}*{{-}}{{Specs-Link|leo_451_late}}*{{-}}{{Specs-Link|mb_162}} (Defensive){{-}}{{Specs-Link|mb_174_a3}}*{{-}}{{Specs-Link|nc_223_3}} (Defensive){{-}}{{Specs-Link|potez_633}}*

{{Navigation-First-Line|}}* Machine gun used in both offensive and defensive roles

{{Navigation-End}}

== General info ==

As mentioned previously, the MAC gun comes up very short regarding raw per-bullet damage, even compared to other rifle calibre machine guns. This is primarily due to its small cartridge of 7.5 mm, slightly smaller than the tier's common 7.62, 7.7, 7.92 and 8 mm rounds of other nations. While this difference may seem minor and trivial to some, it's big enough to create a very noticeable deficiency, especially due to the particularly unimpressive belts. However, what the MAC lacks in stopping power, it makes up for in its good accuracy, solid muzzle velocity, and blistering rate of fire of 1,450 rounds-per-minute. Although players are often gifted with a very large ammunition capacity, they may find themselves running dry quicker than expected due to this fire rate, requiring an emphasis on accuracy in sustained bursts in order to make the most out of the guns.

=== Available ammunition ===

* '''Default:''' T · Ball · Ball · Ball · I · AP
* '''Universal:''' T · AP · AP · I · I
* '''Tracers:''' I-T · I-T · I-T · I-T
* '''Stealth:''' AP · AP · I

=== Comparison with analogues ===

{| class="wikitable"
! colspan="7" |Comparable machine guns to {{PAGENAME}}
|-
!
! Name !! Year of Creation !! Mass !! Rounds Per Minute !! Ammunition !! {{Annotation|Feed Type|Belt-, drum- or magazine-fed weapon}}
|-
| ▃ || [[Browning (7.62 mm)]] || style="text-align:center;" | 1919 || 14 kg || style="text-align:center;" | 600 RPM || 7.62 x 63 mm || style="text-align:center;" | Belt
|-
| ▅ || [[Type 92 navy (7.7 mm)]] || style="text-align:center;" | 1932 || 8 kg || style="text-align:center;" | 600 RPM || 7.7 x 56 mm R || style="text-align:center;" | Drum
|-
| ▄ || [[Darne 1933 (7.5 mm)]] || style="text-align:center;" | 1916 || 8.4 kg || style="text-align:center;" | 1,100 RPM || 7.5 x 54 mm MAS
| style="text-align:center;" | Belt
|-
| ▄ || [[Breda-SAFAT (7.7 mm)]] || style="text-align:center;" | 1935 || 12.5 kg || style="text-align:center;" | 850 RPM || 7.7 x 56 mm R
| style="text-align:center;" | Belt
|-
| ▀ || [[MG 17 (7.92 mm)]] || style="text-align:center;" | 1934 || 10.2 kg || style="text-align:center;" | 1,150 RPM || 7.92 x 57 mm || style="text-align:center;" | Belt
|-
| ▂ || [[ShKAS (7.62 mm)]] || style="text-align:center;" | 1932 || 10.5 kg || style="text-align:center;" | 1,800 RPM || 7.62 x 54 mm R || style="text-align:center;" | Belt
|-
| ▄ || '''MAC 1934 (7.5 mm)''' || style="text-align:center;" | 1934 || 10.7 kg || style="text-align:center;" | 1,450 RPM || 7.5 x 54 mm MAS || style="text-align:center;" | Belt/Magazine
|}

== Usage in battles ==
The MAC 1934 fares well in the early BRs. As a fast-firing machine gun, on fighters always mounted in 2 pairs, it has a damage output that slightly exceeds most other guns at its BR (a notable exception being the Italian Breda SAFAT 12.7mm). The fire rate enables it to kill enemies in medium bursts of fire, assuming most bullets hit the target. The relatively quick overheating requires the pilot to have some restraint, as nearing the overheating limit jams out some of the guns. This will not completely take your firepower out, but it will be severely limited when 2 or more guns get jammed.

The fights against bombers and fighters with this gun usually require different strategies. Bombers usually take a long time to take down through brute destruction (especially considering they may return fire from rear-turrets), however taking out the crew is rather easy if you get the right angle. Against fighters you will rarely rip off a wing, but in this case the ignition of engines and again the pilot are the best target to go for. Hitting these parts is quite effective, and medium bursts with short intervals will usually only improve the ability to take down single-engine planes.

A pilot using the MAC will however need to consider that the ammo, although not low is pretty limited (especially on the earlier users of this MG) due to its fire rate, and - although not as bad as the early nose-mounted Hispano 404 - will require some tactical knowledge regarding ammo expenditure. The reload time is pretty quick however, so in Arcade Battles reloading between fights is recommended.

Though not blessed with the Air-targets belt of the .50-cals, the MAC still has some valuable belts, with the Stealth and Tracer belts performing quite well.

=== Pros and cons ===


'''Pros:'''

* Fast firing rifle-caliber gun of its era
* Incredibly high ammunition capacity
* Very solid terminal ballistics; solid accuracy and muzzle velocity
* Large ammo capacity and amazing fire rate results in a nigh-unmatched ability to saturate an area
* Relatively harder to jam compared to contemporaries

'''Cons:'''

* Lackluster damage, even for a rifle-caliber gun
* No Air Targets ammunition belt
* Despite the impressive ammo capacity, the guns can quickly run out of ammo due to its high fire rate

== History ==
In 1934, the Manufacture d'Armes de Châtellerault (Châtellerault weapons manufacturing company, often shortened to MAC) completed the development of the MAC 1934 machine gun to replace the Darne mod. 1933 machine gun aboard aircraft of the Armée de l'Air. Essentially a faster-firing variant of the mitrailleuse mle 1931, and using the same 7.5 mm MAS ammunition, the MAC 34 worked by gas operation and was fed from drum magazines. Because it used an open bolt action, the MAC 34 could not be fitted with synchronization gear, and was more expensive to manufacture than comparable weapons; but it was compact and had excellent reliability. Originally the Armée de l'Air favoured magazine-fed weapons, but it eventually accepted that the feeding system of the MAC 34 would require too frequent reloading for dorsal gunners, and was impractical for wing mountings, so it required the development of a belt-fed variant. The resulting weapon was introduced in 1939, and designated as MAC 1934 M39.<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MAC_1934</ref>

== Media ==
''Excellent additions to the article would be video guides, screenshots from the game, and photos.''

== See also ==
''Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:''

* ''reference to the article about the variant of the cannon/machine gun;''
* ''references to approximate analogues by other nations and research trees.''

== External links ==
''Paste links to sources and external resources, such as:''

* ''topic on the official game forum;''
* ''other literature.''

{{Aircraft machine guns}}

[[Category:Aircraft machine guns]]
<references />

MAC 1934 (7.5 mm)

2022-09-29T19:11:12Z

U83153598: /* Usage in battles */

{{About
| about = French machine gun '''{{PAGENAME}}'''
| usage = the other version
| link = MAC 1934T (7.5 mm)
}}
== Description ==

The MAC 1934 is the main machine gun used on French WW2-era aircraft, and the machine gun example of quantity over quality. The stopping power of a single bullet is lower than even most other rifle-caliber machine guns, however it makes up for that by having a shredding fire rate of 1,450 RPM and being equipped with large amounts of ammo. The gun is mostly mounted in 2 pairs, making the planes fitted with it a force to be reckoned with in the skies.

=== Vehicles equipped with this weapon ===

{{Navigation-Start|Vehicles equipped with this weapon}}

{{Navigation-First-Line|'''Fighters'''}}{{Specs-Link|caudron_cr714}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|d_371}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|d_500}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|d_501}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|d_510}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|d_510c}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|d_520_france}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|d_520}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|d_521}}
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{{Navigation-Line|'''Twin-engine fighters'''}}{{Specs-Link|potez_630}} (Defensive){{-}}{{Specs-Link|potez_631}}*

{{Navigation-Line|'''Strike aircraft'''}}{{Specs-Link|br_693_ab2}}

{{Navigation-Line|'''Bombers'''}}{{Specs-Link|db_7}}*{{-}}{{Specs-Link|f_222_2}} (Defensive){{-}}{{Specs-Link|leo_451_early}}*{{-}}{{Specs-Link|leo_451_late}}*{{-}}{{Specs-Link|mb_162}} (Defensive){{-}}{{Specs-Link|mb_174_a3}}*{{-}}{{Specs-Link|nc_223_3}} (Defensive){{-}}{{Specs-Link|potez_633}}*

{{Navigation-First-Line|}}* Machine gun used in both offensive and defensive roles

{{Navigation-End}}

== General info ==

As mentioned previously, the MAC gun comes up very short regarding raw per-bullet damage, even compared to other rifle calibre machine guns. This is primarily due to its small cartridge of 7.5 mm, slightly smaller than the tier's common 7.62, 7.7, 7.92 and 8 mm rounds of other nations. While this difference may seem minor and trivial to some, it's big enough to create a very noticeable deficiency, especially due to the particularly unimpressive belts. However, what the MAC lacks in stopping power, it makes up for in its good accuracy, solid muzzle velocity, and blistering rate of fire of 1,450 rounds-per-minute. Although players are often gifted with a very large ammunition capacity, they may find themselves running dry quicker than expected due to this fire rate, requiring an emphasis on accuracy in sustained bursts in order to make the most out of the guns.

=== Available ammunition ===

* '''Default:''' T · Ball · Ball · Ball · I · AP
* '''Universal:''' T · AP · AP · I · I
* '''Tracers:''' I-T · I-T · I-T · I-T
* '''Stealth:''' AP · AP · I

=== Comparison with analogues ===

{| class="wikitable"
! colspan="7" |Comparable machine guns to {{PAGENAME}}
|-
!
! Name !! Year of Creation !! Mass !! Rounds Per Minute !! Ammunition !! {{Annotation|Feed Type|Belt-, drum- or magazine-fed weapon}}
|-
| ▃ || [[Browning (7.62 mm)]] || style="text-align:center;" | 1919 || 14 kg || style="text-align:center;" | 600 RPM || 7.62 x 63 mm || style="text-align:center;" | Belt
|-
| ▅ || [[Type 92 navy (7.7 mm)]] || style="text-align:center;" | 1932 || 8 kg || style="text-align:center;" | 600 RPM || 7.7 x 56 mm R || style="text-align:center;" | Drum
|-
| ▄ || [[Darne 1933 (7.5 mm)]] || style="text-align:center;" | 1916 || 8.4 kg || style="text-align:center;" | 1,100 RPM || 7.5 x 54 mm MAS
| style="text-align:center;" | Belt
|-
| ▄ || [[Breda-SAFAT (7.7 mm)]] || style="text-align:center;" | 1935 || 12.5 kg || style="text-align:center;" | 850 RPM || 7.7 x 56 mm R
| style="text-align:center;" | Belt
|-
| ▀ || [[MG 17 (7.92 mm)]] || style="text-align:center;" | 1934 || 10.2 kg || style="text-align:center;" | 1,150 RPM || 7.92 x 57 mm || style="text-align:center;" | Belt
|-
| ▂ || [[ShKAS (7.62 mm)]] || style="text-align:center;" | 1932 || 10.5 kg || style="text-align:center;" | 1,800 RPM || 7.62 x 54 mm R || style="text-align:center;" | Belt
|-
| ▄ || '''MAC 1934 (7.5 mm)''' || style="text-align:center;" | 1934 || 10.7 kg || style="text-align:center;" | 1,450 RPM || 7.5 x 54 mm MAS || style="text-align:center;" | Belt/Magazine
|}

== Usage in battles ==
The MAC 1934 fares well in the early BRs. As a fast-firing machine gun, on fighters always mounted in 2 pairs, it has a damage output that slightly exceeds most other guns at its BR (a notable exception being the Italian Breda SAFAT 12.7mm). The fire rate enables it to kill enemies in medium bursts of fire, assuming most bullets hit the target. The relatively quick overheating requires the pilot to have some restraint, as nearing the overheating limit jams out some of the guns. This will not completely take your firepower out, but it will be severely limited when 2 or more guns get jammed.

The fights against bombers and fighters with this gun usually require different strategies. Bombers usually take a long time to take down through brute destruction (especially considering they may return fire from rear-turrets), however taking out the crew is rather easy if you get the right angle. Against fighters you will rarely rip off a wing, but in this case the ignition of engines and again the pilot are the best target to go for. Hitting these parts is quite effective, and medium bursts with short intervals will usually only improve the ability to take down single-engine planes.

A pilot using the MAC will however need to consider that the ammo, although not low (especially on the earlier users of this MG) is pretty limited due to its fire rate, and - although not as bad as the early nose-mounted Hispano 404 - will require some tactical knowledge regarding ammo expenditure. The reload time is pretty quick however, so in Arcade Battles reloading between fights is recommended.

Though not blessed with the Air-targets belt of the .50-cals, the MAC still has some valuable belts, with the Stealth and Tracer belts performing quite well.

=== Pros and cons ===


'''Pros:'''

* Fast firing rifle-caliber gun of its era
* Incredibly high ammunition capacity
* Very solid terminal ballistics; solid accuracy and muzzle velocity
* Large ammo capacity and amazing fire rate results in a nigh-unmatched ability to saturate an area
* Relatively harder to jam compared to contemporaries

'''Cons:'''

* Lackluster damage, even for a rifle-caliber gun
* No Air Targets ammunition belt
* Despite the impressive ammo capacity, the guns can quickly run out of ammo due to its high fire rate

== History ==
In 1934, the Manufacture d'Armes de Châtellerault (Châtellerault weapons manufacturing company, often shortened to MAC) completed the development of the MAC 1934 machine gun to replace the Darne mod. 1933 machine gun aboard aircraft of the Armée de l'Air. Essentially a faster-firing variant of the mitrailleuse mle 1931, and using the same 7.5 mm MAS ammunition, the MAC 34 worked by gas operation and was fed from drum magazines. Because it used an open bolt action, the MAC 34 could not be fitted with synchronization gear, and was more expensive to manufacture than comparable weapons; but it was compact and had excellent reliability. Originally the Armée de l'Air favoured magazine-fed weapons, but it eventually accepted that the feeding system of the MAC 34 would require too frequent reloading for dorsal gunners, and was impractical for wing mountings, so it required the development of a belt-fed variant. The resulting weapon was introduced in 1939, and designated as MAC 1934 M39.<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MAC_1934</ref>

== Media ==
''Excellent additions to the article would be video guides, screenshots from the game, and photos.''

== See also ==
''Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:''

* ''reference to the article about the variant of the cannon/machine gun;''
* ''references to approximate analogues by other nations and research trees.''

== External links ==
''Paste links to sources and external resources, such as:''

* ''topic on the official game forum;''
* ''other literature.''

{{Aircraft machine guns}}

[[Category:Aircraft machine guns]]
<references />

MAC 1934 (7.5 mm)

2022-09-29T19:07:30Z

U83153598: /* Description */

{{About
| about = French machine gun '''{{PAGENAME}}'''
| usage = the other version
| link = MAC 1934T (7.5 mm)
}}
== Description ==

The MAC 1934 is the main machine gun used on French WW2-era aircraft, and the machine gun example of quantity over quality. The stopping power of a single bullet is lower than even most other rifle-caliber machine guns, however it makes up for that by having a shredding fire rate of 1,450 RPM and being equipped with large amounts of ammo. The gun is mostly mounted in 2 pairs, making the planes fitted with it a force to be reckoned with in the skies.

=== Vehicles equipped with this weapon ===

{{Navigation-Start|Vehicles equipped with this weapon}}

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== General info ==

As mentioned previously, the MAC gun comes up very short regarding raw per-bullet damage, even compared to other rifle calibre machine guns. This is primarily due to its small cartridge of 7.5 mm, slightly smaller than the tier's common 7.62, 7.7, 7.92 and 8 mm rounds of other nations. While this difference may seem minor and trivial to some, it's big enough to create a very noticeable deficiency, especially due to the particularly unimpressive belts. However, what the MAC lacks in stopping power, it makes up for in its good accuracy, solid muzzle velocity, and blistering rate of fire of 1,450 rounds-per-minute. Although players are often gifted with a very large ammunition capacity, they may find themselves running dry quicker than expected due to this fire rate, requiring an emphasis on accuracy in sustained bursts in order to make the most out of the guns.

=== Available ammunition ===

* '''Default:''' T · Ball · Ball · Ball · I · AP
* '''Universal:''' T · AP · AP · I · I
* '''Tracers:''' I-T · I-T · I-T · I-T
* '''Stealth:''' AP · AP · I

=== Comparison with analogues ===

{| class="wikitable"
! colspan="7" |Comparable machine guns to {{PAGENAME}}
|-
!
! Name !! Year of Creation !! Mass !! Rounds Per Minute !! Ammunition !! {{Annotation|Feed Type|Belt-, drum- or magazine-fed weapon}}
|-
| ▃ || [[Browning (7.62 mm)]] || style="text-align:center;" | 1919 || 14 kg || style="text-align:center;" | 600 RPM || 7.62 x 63 mm || style="text-align:center;" | Belt
|-
| ▅ || [[Type 92 navy (7.7 mm)]] || style="text-align:center;" | 1932 || 8 kg || style="text-align:center;" | 600 RPM || 7.7 x 56 mm R || style="text-align:center;" | Drum
|-
| ▄ || [[Darne 1933 (7.5 mm)]] || style="text-align:center;" | 1916 || 8.4 kg || style="text-align:center;" | 1,100 RPM || 7.5 x 54 mm MAS
| style="text-align:center;" | Belt
|-
| ▄ || [[Breda-SAFAT (7.7 mm)]] || style="text-align:center;" | 1935 || 12.5 kg || style="text-align:center;" | 850 RPM || 7.7 x 56 mm R
| style="text-align:center;" | Belt
|-
| ▀ || [[MG 17 (7.92 mm)]] || style="text-align:center;" | 1934 || 10.2 kg || style="text-align:center;" | 1,150 RPM || 7.92 x 57 mm || style="text-align:center;" | Belt
|-
| ▂ || [[ShKAS (7.62 mm)]] || style="text-align:center;" | 1932 || 10.5 kg || style="text-align:center;" | 1,800 RPM || 7.62 x 54 mm R || style="text-align:center;" | Belt
|-
| ▄ || '''MAC 1934 (7.5 mm)''' || style="text-align:center;" | 1934 || 10.7 kg || style="text-align:center;" | 1,450 RPM || 7.5 x 54 mm MAS || style="text-align:center;" | Belt/Magazine
|}

== Usage in battles ==
The MAC 1934 fares well in the early BRs. As a fast-firing machine gun, on fighters always mounted in 2 pairs, it has a damage output that slightly exceeds most other guns at its BR (a notable exception being the Italian Breda SAFAT 12.7mm). The fire rate enables it to kill enemies in medium bursts of fire, assuming most bullets hit the target. The relatively quick overheating requires the pilot to have some restraint, as nearing the overheating limit jams out some of the guns. This will not completely take your firepower out, but it will be severely limited when 2 or more guns get jammed.

The fight against bombers and fighters with this gun usually require different strategies. Bombers usually take a long time to take down through brute destruction (especially considering they may return fire from rear-turrets), however taking out the crew is rather easy if you get the right angle. Against fighters you will rarely rip off a wing, but in this case the ignition of engines and again the pilot are the best target to go for. Hitting these parts is quite effective, and medium bursts with short intervals will usually only improve the ability to take down single-engine planes.

A pilot using the MAC will however need to consider that the ammo, although not low (especially on the earlier users of this MG) is pretty limited due to its fire rate, and - although not as bad as the early nose-mounted Hispano 404 - will require some tactical knowledge regarding ammo expenditure. The reload time is pretty quick however, so in Arcade Battles reloading between fights is recommended.

Though not blessed with the Air-targets belt of the .50-cals, the MAC still has some valuable belts, with the Stealth and Tracer belts performing quite well.

=== Pros and cons ===


'''Pros:'''

* Fast firing rifle-caliber gun of its era
* Incredibly high ammunition capacity
* Very solid terminal ballistics; solid accuracy and muzzle velocity
* Large ammo capacity and amazing fire rate results in a nigh-unmatched ability to saturate an area
* Relatively harder to jam compared to contemporaries

'''Cons:'''

* Lackluster damage, even for a rifle-caliber gun
* No Air Targets ammunition belt
* Despite the impressive ammo capacity, the guns can quickly run out of ammo due to its high fire rate

== History ==
In 1934, the Manufacture d'Armes de Châtellerault (Châtellerault weapons manufacturing company, often shortened to MAC) completed the development of the MAC 1934 machine gun to replace the Darne mod. 1933 machine gun aboard aircraft of the Armée de l'Air. Essentially a faster-firing variant of the mitrailleuse mle 1931, and using the same 7.5 mm MAS ammunition, the MAC 34 worked by gas operation and was fed from drum magazines. Because it used an open bolt action, the MAC 34 could not be fitted with synchronization gear, and was more expensive to manufacture than comparable weapons; but it was compact and had excellent reliability. Originally the Armée de l'Air favoured magazine-fed weapons, but it eventually accepted that the feeding system of the MAC 34 would require too frequent reloading for dorsal gunners, and was impractical for wing mountings, so it required the development of a belt-fed variant. The resulting weapon was introduced in 1939, and designated as MAC 1934 M39.<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MAC_1934</ref>

== Media ==
''Excellent additions to the article would be video guides, screenshots from the game, and photos.''

== See also ==
''Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:''

* ''reference to the article about the variant of the cannon/machine gun;''
* ''references to approximate analogues by other nations and research trees.''

== External links ==
''Paste links to sources and external resources, such as:''

* ''topic on the official game forum;''
* ''other literature.''

{{Aircraft machine guns}}

[[Category:Aircraft machine guns]]
<references />

MAC 1934 (7.5 mm)

2022-09-29T19:07:13Z

U83153598: /* History */

{{About
| about = French machine gun '''{{PAGENAME}}'''
| usage = the other version
| link = MAC 1934T (7.5 mm)
}}
== Description ==

The MAC 1934 is the main machine gun used on French WW2-era aircraft, and the machine-gun example of quantity over quality. The stopping power of a single bullet is lower than even most other rifle-caliber machine guns, however it makes up for that by having a shredding fire rate of 1,450 RPM and being equipped with large amounts of ammo. The gun is mostly mounted in 2 pairs, making the planes fitted with it a force to be reckoned with in the skies.

=== Vehicles equipped with this weapon ===

{{Navigation-Start|Vehicles equipped with this weapon}}

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== General info ==

As mentioned previously, the MAC gun comes up very short regarding raw per-bullet damage, even compared to other rifle calibre machine guns. This is primarily due to its small cartridge of 7.5 mm, slightly smaller than the tier's common 7.62, 7.7, 7.92 and 8 mm rounds of other nations. While this difference may seem minor and trivial to some, it's big enough to create a very noticeable deficiency, especially due to the particularly unimpressive belts. However, what the MAC lacks in stopping power, it makes up for in its good accuracy, solid muzzle velocity, and blistering rate of fire of 1,450 rounds-per-minute. Although players are often gifted with a very large ammunition capacity, they may find themselves running dry quicker than expected due to this fire rate, requiring an emphasis on accuracy in sustained bursts in order to make the most out of the guns.

=== Available ammunition ===

* '''Default:''' T · Ball · Ball · Ball · I · AP
* '''Universal:''' T · AP · AP · I · I
* '''Tracers:''' I-T · I-T · I-T · I-T
* '''Stealth:''' AP · AP · I

=== Comparison with analogues ===

{| class="wikitable"
! colspan="7" |Comparable machine guns to {{PAGENAME}}
|-
!
! Name !! Year of Creation !! Mass !! Rounds Per Minute !! Ammunition !! {{Annotation|Feed Type|Belt-, drum- or magazine-fed weapon}}
|-
| ▃ || [[Browning (7.62 mm)]] || style="text-align:center;" | 1919 || 14 kg || style="text-align:center;" | 600 RPM || 7.62 x 63 mm || style="text-align:center;" | Belt
|-
| ▅ || [[Type 92 navy (7.7 mm)]] || style="text-align:center;" | 1932 || 8 kg || style="text-align:center;" | 600 RPM || 7.7 x 56 mm R || style="text-align:center;" | Drum
|-
| ▄ || [[Darne 1933 (7.5 mm)]] || style="text-align:center;" | 1916 || 8.4 kg || style="text-align:center;" | 1,100 RPM || 7.5 x 54 mm MAS
| style="text-align:center;" | Belt
|-
| ▄ || [[Breda-SAFAT (7.7 mm)]] || style="text-align:center;" | 1935 || 12.5 kg || style="text-align:center;" | 850 RPM || 7.7 x 56 mm R
| style="text-align:center;" | Belt
|-
| ▀ || [[MG 17 (7.92 mm)]] || style="text-align:center;" | 1934 || 10.2 kg || style="text-align:center;" | 1,150 RPM || 7.92 x 57 mm || style="text-align:center;" | Belt
|-
| ▂ || [[ShKAS (7.62 mm)]] || style="text-align:center;" | 1932 || 10.5 kg || style="text-align:center;" | 1,800 RPM || 7.62 x 54 mm R || style="text-align:center;" | Belt
|-
| ▄ || '''MAC 1934 (7.5 mm)''' || style="text-align:center;" | 1934 || 10.7 kg || style="text-align:center;" | 1,450 RPM || 7.5 x 54 mm MAS || style="text-align:center;" | Belt/Magazine
|}

== Usage in battles ==
The MAC 1934 fares well in the early BRs. As a fast-firing machine gun, on fighters always mounted in 2 pairs, it has a damage output that slightly exceeds most other guns at its BR (a notable exception being the Italian Breda SAFAT 12.7mm). The fire rate enables it to kill enemies in medium bursts of fire, assuming most bullets hit the target. The relatively quick overheating requires the pilot to have some restraint, as nearing the overheating limit jams out some of the guns. This will not completely take your firepower out, but it will be severely limited when 2 or more guns get jammed.

The fight against bombers and fighters with this gun usually require different strategies. Bombers usually take a long time to take down through brute destruction (especially considering they may return fire from rear-turrets), however taking out the crew is rather easy if you get the right angle. Against fighters you will rarely rip off a wing, but in this case the ignition of engines and again the pilot are the best target to go for. Hitting these parts is quite effective, and medium bursts with short intervals will usually only improve the ability to take down single-engine planes.

A pilot using the MAC will however need to consider that the ammo, although not low (especially on the earlier users of this MG) is pretty limited due to its fire rate, and - although not as bad as the early nose-mounted Hispano 404 - will require some tactical knowledge regarding ammo expenditure. The reload time is pretty quick however, so in Arcade Battles reloading between fights is recommended.

Though not blessed with the Air-targets belt of the .50-cals, the MAC still has some valuable belts, with the Stealth and Tracer belts performing quite well.

=== Pros and cons ===


'''Pros:'''

* Fast firing rifle-caliber gun of its era
* Incredibly high ammunition capacity
* Very solid terminal ballistics; solid accuracy and muzzle velocity
* Large ammo capacity and amazing fire rate results in a nigh-unmatched ability to saturate an area
* Relatively harder to jam compared to contemporaries

'''Cons:'''

* Lackluster damage, even for a rifle-caliber gun
* No Air Targets ammunition belt
* Despite the impressive ammo capacity, the guns can quickly run out of ammo due to its high fire rate

== History ==
In 1934, the Manufacture d'Armes de Châtellerault (Châtellerault weapons manufacturing company, often shortened to MAC) completed the development of the MAC 1934 machine gun to replace the Darne mod. 1933 machine gun aboard aircraft of the Armée de l'Air. Essentially a faster-firing variant of the mitrailleuse mle 1931, and using the same 7.5 mm MAS ammunition, the MAC 34 worked by gas operation and was fed from drum magazines. Because it used an open bolt action, the MAC 34 could not be fitted with synchronization gear, and was more expensive to manufacture than comparable weapons; but it was compact and had excellent reliability. Originally the Armée de l'Air favoured magazine-fed weapons, but it eventually accepted that the feeding system of the MAC 34 would require too frequent reloading for dorsal gunners, and was impractical for wing mountings, so it required the development of a belt-fed variant. The resulting weapon was introduced in 1939, and designated as MAC 1934 M39.<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MAC_1934</ref>

== Media ==
''Excellent additions to the article would be video guides, screenshots from the game, and photos.''

== See also ==
''Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:''

* ''reference to the article about the variant of the cannon/machine gun;''
* ''references to approximate analogues by other nations and research trees.''

== External links ==
''Paste links to sources and external resources, such as:''

* ''topic on the official game forum;''
* ''other literature.''

{{Aircraft machine guns}}

[[Category:Aircraft machine guns]]
<references />

MAC 1934 (7.5 mm)

2022-09-29T19:06:09Z

U83153598: /* Pros and cons */

{{About
| about = French machine gun '''{{PAGENAME}}'''
| usage = the other version
| link = MAC 1934T (7.5 mm)
}}
== Description ==

The MAC 1934 is the main machine gun used on French WW2-era aircraft, and the machine-gun example of quantity over quality. The stopping power of a single bullet is lower than even most other rifle-caliber machine guns, however it makes up for that by having a shredding fire rate of 1,450 RPM and being equipped with large amounts of ammo. The gun is mostly mounted in 2 pairs, making the planes fitted with it a force to be reckoned with in the skies.

=== Vehicles equipped with this weapon ===

{{Navigation-Start|Vehicles equipped with this weapon}}

{{Navigation-First-Line|'''Fighters'''}}{{Specs-Link|caudron_cr714}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|d_371}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|d_500}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|d_501}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|d_510}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|d_510c}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|d_520_france}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|d_520}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|d_521}}
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{{Navigation-End}}

== General info ==

As mentioned previously, the MAC gun comes up very short regarding raw per-bullet damage, even compared to other rifle calibre machine guns. This is primarily due to its small cartridge of 7.5 mm, slightly smaller than the tier's common 7.62, 7.7, 7.92 and 8 mm rounds of other nations. While this difference may seem minor and trivial to some, it's big enough to create a very noticeable deficiency, especially due to the particularly unimpressive belts. However, what the MAC lacks in stopping power, it makes up for in its good accuracy, solid muzzle velocity, and blistering rate of fire of 1,450 rounds-per-minute. Although players are often gifted with a very large ammunition capacity, they may find themselves running dry quicker than expected due to this fire rate, requiring an emphasis on accuracy in sustained bursts in order to make the most out of the guns.

=== Available ammunition ===

* '''Default:''' T · Ball · Ball · Ball · I · AP
* '''Universal:''' T · AP · AP · I · I
* '''Tracers:''' I-T · I-T · I-T · I-T
* '''Stealth:''' AP · AP · I

=== Comparison with analogues ===

{| class="wikitable"
! colspan="7" |Comparable machine guns to {{PAGENAME}}
|-
!
! Name !! Year of Creation !! Mass !! Rounds Per Minute !! Ammunition !! {{Annotation|Feed Type|Belt-, drum- or magazine-fed weapon}}
|-
| ▃ || [[Browning (7.62 mm)]] || style="text-align:center;" | 1919 || 14 kg || style="text-align:center;" | 600 RPM || 7.62 x 63 mm || style="text-align:center;" | Belt
|-
| ▅ || [[Type 92 navy (7.7 mm)]] || style="text-align:center;" | 1932 || 8 kg || style="text-align:center;" | 600 RPM || 7.7 x 56 mm R || style="text-align:center;" | Drum
|-
| ▄ || [[Darne 1933 (7.5 mm)]] || style="text-align:center;" | 1916 || 8.4 kg || style="text-align:center;" | 1,100 RPM || 7.5 x 54 mm MAS
| style="text-align:center;" | Belt
|-
| ▄ || [[Breda-SAFAT (7.7 mm)]] || style="text-align:center;" | 1935 || 12.5 kg || style="text-align:center;" | 850 RPM || 7.7 x 56 mm R
| style="text-align:center;" | Belt
|-
| ▀ || [[MG 17 (7.92 mm)]] || style="text-align:center;" | 1934 || 10.2 kg || style="text-align:center;" | 1,150 RPM || 7.92 x 57 mm || style="text-align:center;" | Belt
|-
| ▂ || [[ShKAS (7.62 mm)]] || style="text-align:center;" | 1932 || 10.5 kg || style="text-align:center;" | 1,800 RPM || 7.62 x 54 mm R || style="text-align:center;" | Belt
|-
| ▄ || '''MAC 1934 (7.5 mm)''' || style="text-align:center;" | 1934 || 10.7 kg || style="text-align:center;" | 1,450 RPM || 7.5 x 54 mm MAS || style="text-align:center;" | Belt/Magazine
|}

== Usage in battles ==
The MAC 1934 fares well in the early BRs. As a fast-firing machine gun, on fighters always mounted in 2 pairs, it has a damage output that slightly exceeds most other guns at its BR (a notable exception being the Italian Breda SAFAT 12.7mm). The fire rate enables it to kill enemies in medium bursts of fire, assuming most bullets hit the target. The relatively quick overheating requires the pilot to have some restraint, as nearing the overheating limit jams out some of the guns. This will not completely take your firepower out, but it will be severely limited when 2 or more guns get jammed.

The fight against bombers and fighters with this gun usually require different strategies. Bombers usually take a long time to take down through brute destruction (especially considering they may return fire from rear-turrets), however taking out the crew is rather easy if you get the right angle. Against fighters you will rarely rip off a wing, but in this case the ignition of engines and again the pilot are the best target to go for. Hitting these parts is quite effective, and medium bursts with short intervals will usually only improve the ability to take down single-engine planes.

A pilot using the MAC will however need to consider that the ammo, although not low (especially on the earlier users of this MG) is pretty limited due to its fire rate, and - although not as bad as the early nose-mounted Hispano 404 - will require some tactical knowledge regarding ammo expenditure. The reload time is pretty quick however, so in Arcade Battles reloading between fights is recommended.

Though not blessed with the Air-targets belt of the .50-cals, the MAC still has some valuable belts, with the Stealth and Tracer belts performing quite well.

=== Pros and cons ===


'''Pros:'''

* Fast firing rifle-caliber gun of its era
* Incredibly high ammunition capacity
* Very solid terminal ballistics; solid accuracy and muzzle velocity
* Large ammo capacity and amazing fire rate results in a nigh-unmatched ability to saturate an area
* Relatively harder to jam compared to contemporaries

'''Cons:'''

* Lackluster damage, even for a rifle-caliber gun
* No Air Targets ammunition belt
* Despite the impressive ammo capacity, the guns can quickly run out of ammo due to its high fire rate

== History ==
In 1934, the Manufacture d'Armes de Châtellerault (Châtellerault weapons manufacturing company, often shortened to MAC) completed the development of the '''MAC 1934''' machine gun to replace the Darne mod. 1933 machine gun aboard aircraft of the Armée de l'Air. Essentially a faster-firing variant of the mitrailleuse mle 1931, and using the same 7.5 mm MAS ammunition, the '''MAC 34''' worked by gas operation and was fed from drum magazines. Because it used an open bolt action, the MAC 34 could not be fitted with synchronization gear, and was more expensive to manufacture than comparable weapons; but it was compact and had excellent reliability. Originally the Armée de l'Air favoured magazine-fed weapons, but it eventually accepted that the feeding system of the MAC 34 would require too frequent reloading for dorsal gunners, and was impractical for wing mountings, so it required the development of a belt-fed variant. The resulting weapon was introduced in 1939, and designated as '''MAC 1934 M39'''.<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MAC_1934</ref>

== Media ==
''Excellent additions to the article would be video guides, screenshots from the game, and photos.''

== See also ==
''Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:''

* ''reference to the article about the variant of the cannon/machine gun;''
* ''references to approximate analogues by other nations and research trees.''

== External links ==
''Paste links to sources and external resources, such as:''

* ''topic on the official game forum;''
* ''other literature.''

{{Aircraft machine guns}}

[[Category:Aircraft machine guns]]
<references />

MAC 1934 (7.5 mm)

2022-09-29T19:04:33Z

U83153598: redid the description as it portrays the gun in a very negative light, which does not correspond to its performance in game.

{{About
| about = French machine gun '''{{PAGENAME}}'''
| usage = the other version
| link = MAC 1934T (7.5 mm)
}}
== Description ==

The MAC 1934 is the main machine gun used on French WW2-era aircraft, and the machine-gun example of quantity over quality. The stopping power of a single bullet is lower than even most other rifle-caliber machine guns, however it makes up for that by having a shredding fire rate of 1,450 RPM and being equipped with large amounts of ammo. The gun is mostly mounted in 2 pairs, making the planes fitted with it a force to be reckoned with in the skies.

=== Vehicles equipped with this weapon ===

{{Navigation-Start|Vehicles equipped with this weapon}}

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== General info ==

As mentioned previously, the MAC gun comes up very short regarding raw per-bullet damage, even compared to other rifle calibre machine guns. This is primarily due to its small cartridge of 7.5 mm, slightly smaller than the tier's common 7.62, 7.7, 7.92 and 8 mm rounds of other nations. While this difference may seem minor and trivial to some, it's big enough to create a very noticeable deficiency, especially due to the particularly unimpressive belts. However, what the MAC lacks in stopping power, it makes up for in its good accuracy, solid muzzle velocity, and blistering rate of fire of 1,450 rounds-per-minute. Although players are often gifted with a very large ammunition capacity, they may find themselves running dry quicker than expected due to this fire rate, requiring an emphasis on accuracy in sustained bursts in order to make the most out of the guns.

=== Available ammunition ===

* '''Default:''' T · Ball · Ball · Ball · I · AP
* '''Universal:''' T · AP · AP · I · I
* '''Tracers:''' I-T · I-T · I-T · I-T
* '''Stealth:''' AP · AP · I

=== Comparison with analogues ===

{| class="wikitable"
! colspan="7" |Comparable machine guns to {{PAGENAME}}
|-
!
! Name !! Year of Creation !! Mass !! Rounds Per Minute !! Ammunition !! {{Annotation|Feed Type|Belt-, drum- or magazine-fed weapon}}
|-
| ▃ || [[Browning (7.62 mm)]] || style="text-align:center;" | 1919 || 14 kg || style="text-align:center;" | 600 RPM || 7.62 x 63 mm || style="text-align:center;" | Belt
|-
| ▅ || [[Type 92 navy (7.7 mm)]] || style="text-align:center;" | 1932 || 8 kg || style="text-align:center;" | 600 RPM || 7.7 x 56 mm R || style="text-align:center;" | Drum
|-
| ▄ || [[Darne 1933 (7.5 mm)]] || style="text-align:center;" | 1916 || 8.4 kg || style="text-align:center;" | 1,100 RPM || 7.5 x 54 mm MAS
| style="text-align:center;" | Belt
|-
| ▄ || [[Breda-SAFAT (7.7 mm)]] || style="text-align:center;" | 1935 || 12.5 kg || style="text-align:center;" | 850 RPM || 7.7 x 56 mm R
| style="text-align:center;" | Belt
|-
| ▀ || [[MG 17 (7.92 mm)]] || style="text-align:center;" | 1934 || 10.2 kg || style="text-align:center;" | 1,150 RPM || 7.92 x 57 mm || style="text-align:center;" | Belt
|-
| ▂ || [[ShKAS (7.62 mm)]] || style="text-align:center;" | 1932 || 10.5 kg || style="text-align:center;" | 1,800 RPM || 7.62 x 54 mm R || style="text-align:center;" | Belt
|-
| ▄ || '''MAC 1934 (7.5 mm)''' || style="text-align:center;" | 1934 || 10.7 kg || style="text-align:center;" | 1,450 RPM || 7.5 x 54 mm MAS || style="text-align:center;" | Belt/Magazine
|}

== Usage in battles ==
The MAC 1934 fares well in the early BRs. As a fast-firing machine gun, on fighters always mounted in 2 pairs, it has a damage output that slightly exceeds most other guns at its BR (a notable exception being the Italian Breda SAFAT 12.7mm). The fire rate enables it to kill enemies in medium bursts of fire, assuming most bullets hit the target. The relatively quick overheating requires the pilot to have some restraint, as nearing the overheating limit jams out some of the guns. This will not completely take your firepower out, but it will be severely limited when 2 or more guns get jammed.

The fight against bombers and fighters with this gun usually require different strategies. Bombers usually take a long time to take down through brute destruction (especially considering they may return fire from rear-turrets), however taking out the crew is rather easy if you get the right angle. Against fighters you will rarely rip off a wing, but in this case the ignition of engines and again the pilot are the best target to go for. Hitting these parts is quite effective, and medium bursts with short intervals will usually only improve the ability to take down single-engine planes.

A pilot using the MAC will however need to consider that the ammo, although not low (especially on the earlier users of this MG) is pretty limited due to its fire rate, and - although not as bad as the early nose-mounted Hispano 404 - will require some tactical knowledge regarding ammo expenditure. The reload time is pretty quick however, so in Arcade Battles reloading between fights is recommended.

Though not blessed with the Air-targets belt of the .50-cals, the MAC still has some valuable belts, with the Stealth and Tracer belts performing quite well.

=== Pros and cons ===


'''Pros:'''

* Fast firing rifle-calibre gun of its era
* Incredibly high ammunition capacity
* Very solid terminal ballistics; solid accuracy and muzzle velocity
* Large ammo capacity and amazing fire rate results in a nigh-unmatched ability to saturate an area
* Relatively harder to jam compared to contemporaries

'''Cons:'''

* Paltry damage, even for a rifle-calibre gun
* Ammunition belts leave much to be desired
* Despite the impressive ammo capacity, the guns can quickly run out of ammo due to its high fire rate

== History ==
In 1934, the Manufacture d'Armes de Châtellerault (Châtellerault weapons manufacturing company, often shortened to MAC) completed the development of the '''MAC 1934''' machine gun to replace the Darne mod. 1933 machine gun aboard aircraft of the Armée de l'Air. Essentially a faster-firing variant of the mitrailleuse mle 1931, and using the same 7.5 mm MAS ammunition, the '''MAC 34''' worked by gas operation and was fed from drum magazines. Because it used an open bolt action, the MAC 34 could not be fitted with synchronization gear, and was more expensive to manufacture than comparable weapons; but it was compact and had excellent reliability. Originally the Armée de l'Air favoured magazine-fed weapons, but it eventually accepted that the feeding system of the MAC 34 would require too frequent reloading for dorsal gunners, and was impractical for wing mountings, so it required the development of a belt-fed variant. The resulting weapon was introduced in 1939, and designated as '''MAC 1934 M39'''.<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MAC_1934</ref>

== Media ==
''Excellent additions to the article would be video guides, screenshots from the game, and photos.''

== See also ==
''Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:''

* ''reference to the article about the variant of the cannon/machine gun;''
* ''references to approximate analogues by other nations and research trees.''

== External links ==
''Paste links to sources and external resources, such as:''

* ''topic on the official game forum;''
* ''other literature.''

{{Aircraft machine guns}}

[[Category:Aircraft machine guns]]
<references />

MAC 1934 (7.5 mm)

2022-09-29T16:16:16Z

U83153598: /* Usage in battles */

{{About
| about = French machine gun '''{{PAGENAME}}'''
| usage = the other version
| link = MAC 1934T (7.5 mm)
}}
== Description ==

The MAC 1934 is the main machine gun used on French WW2-era aircraft, and much like its real life counterpart, it is horribly outclassed by other guns by other nations. In order to make up for its lethargic stopping power, planes are often fitted with a large amount of the guns with high ammo capacities, resulting in a sheer volume of fire that deals a surprising amount of damage when aimed accurately.

=== Vehicles equipped with this weapon ===

{{Navigation-Start|Vehicles equipped with this weapon}}

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== General info ==

As mentioned previously, the MAC gun comes up very short regarding raw per-bullet damage, even compared to other rifle calibre machine guns. This is primarily due to its small cartridge of 7.5 mm, slightly smaller than the tier's common 7.62, 7.7, 7.92 and 8 mm rounds of other nations. While this difference may seem minor and trivial to some, it's big enough to create a very noticeable deficiency, especially due to the particularly unimpressive belts. However, what the MAC lacks in stopping power, it makes up for in its good accuracy, solid muzzle velocity, and blistering rate of fire of 1,450 rounds-per-minute. Although players are often gifted with a very large ammunition capacity, they may find themselves running dry quicker than expected due to this fire rate, requiring an emphasis on accuracy in sustained bursts in order to make the most out of the guns.

=== Available ammunition ===

* '''Default:''' T · Ball · Ball · Ball · I · AP
* '''Universal:''' T · AP · AP · I · I
* '''Tracers:''' I-T · I-T · I-T · I-T
* '''Stealth:''' AP · AP · I

=== Comparison with analogues ===

{| class="wikitable"
! colspan="7" |Comparable machine guns to {{PAGENAME}}
|-
!
! Name !! Year of Creation !! Mass !! Rounds Per Minute !! Ammunition !! {{Annotation|Feed Type|Belt-, drum- or magazine-fed weapon}}
|-
| ▃ || [[Browning (7.62 mm)]] || style="text-align:center;" | 1919 || 14 kg || style="text-align:center;" | 600 RPM || 7.62 x 63 mm || style="text-align:center;" | Belt
|-
| ▅ || [[Type 92 navy (7.7 mm)]] || style="text-align:center;" | 1932 || 8 kg || style="text-align:center;" | 600 RPM || 7.7 x 56 mm R || style="text-align:center;" | Drum
|-
| ▄ || [[Darne 1933 (7.5 mm)]] || style="text-align:center;" | 1916 || 8.4 kg || style="text-align:center;" | 1,100 RPM || 7.5 x 54 mm MAS
| style="text-align:center;" | Belt
|-
| ▄ || [[Breda-SAFAT (7.7 mm)]] || style="text-align:center;" | 1935 || 12.5 kg || style="text-align:center;" | 850 RPM || 7.7 x 56 mm R
| style="text-align:center;" | Belt
|-
| ▀ || [[MG 17 (7.92 mm)]] || style="text-align:center;" | 1934 || 10.2 kg || style="text-align:center;" | 1,150 RPM || 7.92 x 57 mm || style="text-align:center;" | Belt
|-
| ▂ || [[ShKAS (7.62 mm)]] || style="text-align:center;" | 1932 || 10.5 kg || style="text-align:center;" | 1,800 RPM || 7.62 x 54 mm R || style="text-align:center;" | Belt
|-
| ▄ || '''MAC 1934 (7.5 mm)''' || style="text-align:center;" | 1934 || 10.7 kg || style="text-align:center;" | 1,450 RPM || 7.5 x 54 mm MAS || style="text-align:center;" | Belt/Magazine
|}

== Usage in battles ==
The MAC 1934 fares well in the early BRs. As a fast-firing machine gun, on fighters always mounted in 2 pairs, it has a damage output that slightly exceeds most other guns at its BR (a notable exception being the Italian Breda SAFAT 12.7mm). The fire rate enables it to kill enemies in medium bursts of fire, assuming most bullets hit the target. The relatively quick overheating requires the pilot to have some restraint, as nearing the overheating limit jams out some of the guns. This will not completely take your firepower out, but it will be severely limited when 2 or more guns get jammed.

The fight against bombers and fighters with this gun usually require different strategies. Bombers usually take a long time to take down through brute destruction (especially considering they may return fire from rear-turrets), however taking out the crew is rather easy if you get the right angle. Against fighters you will rarely rip off a wing, but in this case the ignition of engines and again the pilot are the best target to go for. Hitting these parts is quite effective, and medium bursts with short intervals will usually only improve the ability to take down single-engine planes.

A pilot using the MAC will however need to consider that the ammo, although not low (especially on the earlier users of this MG) is pretty limited due to its fire rate, and - although not as bad as the early nose-mounted Hispano 404 - will require some tactical knowledge regarding ammo expenditure. The reload time is pretty quick however, so in Arcade Battles reloading between fights is recommended.

Though not blessed with the Air-targets belt of the .50-cals, the MAC still has some valuable belts, with the Stealth and Tracer belts performing quite well.

=== Pros and cons ===


'''Pros:'''

* Fast firing rifle-calibre gun of its era
* Incredibly high ammunition capacity
* Very solid terminal ballistics; solid accuracy and muzzle velocity
* Large ammo capacity and amazing fire rate results in a nigh-unmatched ability to saturate an area
* Relatively harder to jam compared to contemporaries

'''Cons:'''

* Paltry damage, even for a rifle-calibre gun
* Ammunition belts leave much to be desired
* Despite the impressive ammo capacity, the guns can quickly run out of ammo due to its high fire rate

== History ==
In 1934, the Manufacture d'Armes de Châtellerault (Châtellerault weapons manufacturing company, often shortened to MAC) completed the development of the '''MAC 1934''' machine gun to replace the Darne mod. 1933 machine gun aboard aircraft of the Armée de l'Air. Essentially a faster-firing variant of the mitrailleuse mle 1931, and using the same 7.5 mm MAS ammunition, the '''MAC 34''' worked by gas operation and was fed from drum magazines. Because it used an open bolt action, the MAC 34 could not be fitted with synchronization gear, and was more expensive to manufacture than comparable weapons; but it was compact and had excellent reliability. Originally the Armée de l'Air favoured magazine-fed weapons, but it eventually accepted that the feeding system of the MAC 34 would require too frequent reloading for dorsal gunners, and was impractical for wing mountings, so it required the development of a belt-fed variant. The resulting weapon was introduced in 1939, and designated as '''MAC 1934 M39'''.<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MAC_1934</ref>

== Media ==
''Excellent additions to the article would be video guides, screenshots from the game, and photos.''

== See also ==
''Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:''

* ''reference to the article about the variant of the cannon/machine gun;''
* ''references to approximate analogues by other nations and research trees.''

== External links ==
''Paste links to sources and external resources, such as:''

* ''topic on the official game forum;''
* ''other literature.''

{{Aircraft machine guns}}

[[Category:Aircraft machine guns]]
<references />

MAC 1934 (7.5 mm)

2022-09-29T15:53:44Z

U83153598: /* Available ammunition */

{{About
| about = French machine gun '''{{PAGENAME}}'''
| usage = the other version
| link = MAC 1934T (7.5 mm)
}}
== Description ==

The MAC 1934 is the main machine gun used on French WW2-era aircraft, and much like its real life counterpart, it is horribly outclassed by other guns by other nations. In order to make up for its lethargic stopping power, planes are often fitted with a large amount of the guns with high ammo capacities, resulting in a sheer volume of fire that deals a surprising amount of damage when aimed accurately.

=== Vehicles equipped with this weapon ===

{{Navigation-Start|Vehicles equipped with this weapon}}

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== General info ==

As mentioned previously, the MAC gun comes up very short regarding raw per-bullet damage, even compared to other rifle calibre machine guns. This is primarily due to its small cartridge of 7.5 mm, slightly smaller than the tier's common 7.62, 7.7, 7.92 and 8 mm rounds of other nations. While this difference may seem minor and trivial to some, it's big enough to create a very noticeable deficiency, especially due to the particularly unimpressive belts. However, what the MAC lacks in stopping power, it makes up for in its good accuracy, solid muzzle velocity, and blistering rate of fire of 1,450 rounds-per-minute. Although players are often gifted with a very large ammunition capacity, they may find themselves running dry quicker than expected due to this fire rate, requiring an emphasis on accuracy in sustained bursts in order to make the most out of the guns.

=== Available ammunition ===

* '''Default:''' T · Ball · Ball · Ball · I · AP
* '''Universal:''' T · AP · AP · I · I
* '''Tracers:''' I-T · I-T · I-T · I-T
* '''Stealth:''' AP · AP · I

=== Comparison with analogues ===

{| class="wikitable"
! colspan="7" |Comparable machine guns to {{PAGENAME}}
|-
!
! Name !! Year of Creation !! Mass !! Rounds Per Minute !! Ammunition !! {{Annotation|Feed Type|Belt-, drum- or magazine-fed weapon}}
|-
| ▃ || [[Browning (7.62 mm)]] || style="text-align:center;" | 1919 || 14 kg || style="text-align:center;" | 600 RPM || 7.62 x 63 mm || style="text-align:center;" | Belt
|-
| ▅ || [[Type 92 navy (7.7 mm)]] || style="text-align:center;" | 1932 || 8 kg || style="text-align:center;" | 600 RPM || 7.7 x 56 mm R || style="text-align:center;" | Drum
|-
| ▄ || [[Darne 1933 (7.5 mm)]] || style="text-align:center;" | 1916 || 8.4 kg || style="text-align:center;" | 1,100 RPM || 7.5 x 54 mm MAS
| style="text-align:center;" | Belt
|-
| ▄ || [[Breda-SAFAT (7.7 mm)]] || style="text-align:center;" | 1935 || 12.5 kg || style="text-align:center;" | 850 RPM || 7.7 x 56 mm R
| style="text-align:center;" | Belt
|-
| ▀ || [[MG 17 (7.92 mm)]] || style="text-align:center;" | 1934 || 10.2 kg || style="text-align:center;" | 1,150 RPM || 7.92 x 57 mm || style="text-align:center;" | Belt
|-
| ▂ || [[ShKAS (7.62 mm)]] || style="text-align:center;" | 1932 || 10.5 kg || style="text-align:center;" | 1,800 RPM || 7.62 x 54 mm R || style="text-align:center;" | Belt
|-
| ▄ || '''MAC 1934 (7.5 mm)''' || style="text-align:center;" | 1934 || 10.7 kg || style="text-align:center;" | 1,450 RPM || 7.5 x 54 mm MAS || style="text-align:center;" | Belt/Magazine
|}

== Usage in battles ==
''Describe the cannon/machine gun in the game - its distinctive features, tactics of usage against notable opponents. Please don't write a "guide" - do not impose a single point of view, but give the reader food for thought.''

=== Pros and cons ===


'''Pros:'''

* Fast firing rifle-calibre gun of its era
* Incredibly high ammunition capacity
* Very solid terminal ballistics; solid accuracy and muzzle velocity
* Large ammo capacity and amazing fire rate results in a nigh-unmatched ability to saturate an area
* Relatively harder to jam compared to contemporaries

'''Cons:'''

* Paltry damage, even for a rifle-calibre gun
* Ammunition belts leave much to be desired
* Despite the impressive ammo capacity, the guns can quickly run out of ammo due to its high fire rate

== History ==
In 1934, the Manufacture d'Armes de Châtellerault (Châtellerault weapons manufacturing company, often shortened to MAC) completed the development of the '''MAC 1934''' machine gun to replace the Darne mod. 1933 machine gun aboard aircraft of the Armée de l'Air. Essentially a faster-firing variant of the mitrailleuse mle 1931, and using the same 7.5 mm MAS ammunition, the '''MAC 34''' worked by gas operation and was fed from drum magazines. Because it used an open bolt action, the MAC 34 could not be fitted with synchronization gear, and was more expensive to manufacture than comparable weapons; but it was compact and had excellent reliability. Originally the Armée de l'Air favoured magazine-fed weapons, but it eventually accepted that the feeding system of the MAC 34 would require too frequent reloading for dorsal gunners, and was impractical for wing mountings, so it required the development of a belt-fed variant. The resulting weapon was introduced in 1939, and designated as '''MAC 1934 M39'''.<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MAC_1934</ref>

== Media ==
''Excellent additions to the article would be video guides, screenshots from the game, and photos.''

== See also ==
''Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:''

* ''reference to the article about the variant of the cannon/machine gun;''
* ''references to approximate analogues by other nations and research trees.''

== External links ==
''Paste links to sources and external resources, such as:''

* ''topic on the official game forum;''
* ''other literature.''

{{Aircraft machine guns}}

[[Category:Aircraft machine guns]]
<references />

MAC 1934 (7.5 mm)

2022-09-29T15:50:58Z

U83153598: /* History */

{{About
| about = French machine gun '''{{PAGENAME}}'''
| usage = the other version
| link = MAC 1934T (7.5 mm)
}}
== Description ==

The MAC 1934 is the main machine gun used on French WW2-era aircraft, and much like its real life counterpart, it is horribly outclassed by other guns by other nations. In order to make up for its lethargic stopping power, planes are often fitted with a large amount of the guns with high ammo capacities, resulting in a sheer volume of fire that deals a surprising amount of damage when aimed accurately.

=== Vehicles equipped with this weapon ===

{{Navigation-Start|Vehicles equipped with this weapon}}

{{Navigation-First-Line|'''Fighters'''}}{{Specs-Link|caudron_cr714}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|d_371}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|d_500}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|d_501}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|d_510}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|d_510c}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|d_520_france}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|d_520}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|d_521}}
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{{Navigation-Line|'''Twin-engine fighters'''}}{{Specs-Link|potez_630}} (Defensive){{-}}{{Specs-Link|potez_631}}*

{{Navigation-Line|'''Strike aircraft'''}}{{Specs-Link|br_693_ab2}}

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{{Navigation-First-Line|}}* Machine gun used in both offensive and defensive roles

{{Navigation-End}}

== General info ==

As mentioned previously, the MAC gun comes up very short regarding raw per-bullet damage, even compared to other rifle calibre machine guns. This is primarily due to its small cartridge of 7.5 mm, slightly smaller than the tier's common 7.62, 7.7, 7.92 and 8 mm rounds of other nations. While this difference may seem minor and trivial to some, it's big enough to create a very noticeable deficiency, especially due to the particularly unimpressive belts. However, what the MAC lacks in stopping power, it makes up for in its good accuracy, solid muzzle velocity, and blistering rate of fire of 1,450 rounds-per-minute. Although players are often gifted with a very large ammunition capacity, they may find themselves running dry quicker than expected due to this fire rate, requiring an emphasis on accuracy in sustained bursts in order to make the most out of the guns.

=== Available ammunition ===

* '''''Default:''' T · Ball · Ball · Ball · I · AP''
* '''''Universal:''' T · AP · AP · I · I''
* '''''Tracers:''' I-T · I-T · I-T · I-T''
* '''''Stealth:''' AP · AP · I''

=== Comparison with analogues ===

{| class="wikitable"
! colspan="7" |Comparable machine guns to {{PAGENAME}}
|-
!
! Name !! Year of Creation !! Mass !! Rounds Per Minute !! Ammunition !! {{Annotation|Feed Type|Belt-, drum- or magazine-fed weapon}}
|-
| ▃ || [[Browning (7.62 mm)]] || style="text-align:center;" | 1919 || 14 kg || style="text-align:center;" | 600 RPM || 7.62 x 63 mm || style="text-align:center;" | Belt
|-
| ▅ || [[Type 92 navy (7.7 mm)]] || style="text-align:center;" | 1932 || 8 kg || style="text-align:center;" | 600 RPM || 7.7 x 56 mm R || style="text-align:center;" | Drum
|-
| ▄ || [[Darne 1933 (7.5 mm)]] || style="text-align:center;" | 1916 || 8.4 kg || style="text-align:center;" | 1,100 RPM || 7.5 x 54 mm MAS
| style="text-align:center;" | Belt
|-
| ▄ || [[Breda-SAFAT (7.7 mm)]] || style="text-align:center;" | 1935 || 12.5 kg || style="text-align:center;" | 850 RPM || 7.7 x 56 mm R
| style="text-align:center;" | Belt
|-
| ▀ || [[MG 17 (7.92 mm)]] || style="text-align:center;" | 1934 || 10.2 kg || style="text-align:center;" | 1,150 RPM || 7.92 x 57 mm || style="text-align:center;" | Belt
|-
| ▂ || [[ShKAS (7.62 mm)]] || style="text-align:center;" | 1932 || 10.5 kg || style="text-align:center;" | 1,800 RPM || 7.62 x 54 mm R || style="text-align:center;" | Belt
|-
| ▄ || '''MAC 1934 (7.5 mm)''' || style="text-align:center;" | 1934 || 10.7 kg || style="text-align:center;" | 1,450 RPM || 7.5 x 54 mm MAS || style="text-align:center;" | Belt/Magazine
|}

== Usage in battles ==
''Describe the cannon/machine gun in the game - its distinctive features, tactics of usage against notable opponents. Please don't write a "guide" - do not impose a single point of view, but give the reader food for thought.''

=== Pros and cons ===


'''Pros:'''

* Fast firing rifle-calibre gun of its era
* Incredibly high ammunition capacity
* Very solid terminal ballistics; solid accuracy and muzzle velocity
* Large ammo capacity and amazing fire rate results in a nigh-unmatched ability to saturate an area
* Relatively harder to jam compared to contemporaries

'''Cons:'''

* Paltry damage, even for a rifle-calibre gun
* Ammunition belts leave much to be desired
* Despite the impressive ammo capacity, the guns can quickly run out of ammo due to its high fire rate

== History ==
In 1934, the Manufacture d'Armes de Châtellerault (Châtellerault weapons manufacturing company, often shortened to MAC) completed the development of the '''MAC 1934''' machine gun to replace the Darne mod. 1933 machine gun aboard aircraft of the Armée de l'Air. Essentially a faster-firing variant of the mitrailleuse mle 1931, and using the same 7.5 mm MAS ammunition, the '''MAC 34''' worked by gas operation and was fed from drum magazines. Because it used an open bolt action, the MAC 34 could not be fitted with synchronization gear, and was more expensive to manufacture than comparable weapons; but it was compact and had excellent reliability. Originally the Armée de l'Air favoured magazine-fed weapons, but it eventually accepted that the feeding system of the MAC 34 would require too frequent reloading for dorsal gunners, and was impractical for wing mountings, so it required the development of a belt-fed variant. The resulting weapon was introduced in 1939, and designated as '''MAC 1934 M39'''.<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MAC_1934</ref>

== Media ==
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== See also ==
''Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:''

* ''reference to the article about the variant of the cannon/machine gun;''
* ''references to approximate analogues by other nations and research trees.''

== External links ==
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[[Category:Aircraft machine guns]]

MAC 1934 (7.5 mm)

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{{About
| about = French machine gun '''{{PAGENAME}}'''
| usage = the other version
| link = MAC 1934T (7.5 mm)
}}
== Description ==

The MAC 1934 is the main machine gun used on French WW2-era aircraft, and much like its real life counterpart, it is horribly outclassed by other guns by other nations. In order to make up for its lethargic stopping power, planes are often fitted with a large amount of the guns with high ammo capacities, resulting in a sheer volume of fire that deals a surprising amount of damage when aimed accurately.

=== Vehicles equipped with this weapon ===

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== General info ==

As mentioned previously, the MAC gun comes up very short regarding raw per-bullet damage, even compared to other rifle calibre machine guns. This is primarily due to its small cartridge of 7.5 mm, slightly smaller than the tier's common 7.62, 7.7, 7.92 and 8 mm rounds of other nations. While this difference may seem minor and trivial to some, it's big enough to create a very noticeable deficiency, especially due to the particularly unimpressive belts. However, what the MAC lacks in stopping power, it makes up for in its good accuracy, solid muzzle velocity, and blistering rate of fire of 1,450 rounds-per-minute. Although players are often gifted with a very large ammunition capacity, they may find themselves running dry quicker than expected due to this fire rate, requiring an emphasis on accuracy in sustained bursts in order to make the most out of the guns.

=== Available ammunition ===

* '''''Default:''' T · Ball · Ball · Ball · I · AP''
* '''''Universal:''' T · AP · AP · I · I''
* '''''Tracers:''' I-T · I-T · I-T · I-T''
* '''''Stealth:''' AP · AP · I''

=== Comparison with analogues ===

{| class="wikitable"
! colspan="7" |Comparable machine guns to {{PAGENAME}}
|-
!
! Name !! Year of Creation !! Mass !! Rounds Per Minute !! Ammunition !! {{Annotation|Feed Type|Belt-, drum- or magazine-fed weapon}}
|-
| ▃ || [[Browning (7.62 mm)]] || style="text-align:center;" | 1919 || 14 kg || style="text-align:center;" | 600 RPM || 7.62 x 63 mm || style="text-align:center;" | Belt
|-
| ▅ || [[Type 92 navy (7.7 mm)]] || style="text-align:center;" | 1932 || 8 kg || style="text-align:center;" | 600 RPM || 7.7 x 56 mm R || style="text-align:center;" | Drum
|-
| ▄ || [[Darne 1933 (7.5 mm)]] || style="text-align:center;" | 1916 || 8.4 kg || style="text-align:center;" | 1,100 RPM || 7.5 x 54 mm MAS
| style="text-align:center;" | Belt
|-
| ▄ || [[Breda-SAFAT (7.7 mm)]] || style="text-align:center;" | 1935 || 12.5 kg || style="text-align:center;" | 850 RPM || 7.7 x 56 mm R
| style="text-align:center;" | Belt
|-
| ▀ || [[MG 17 (7.92 mm)]] || style="text-align:center;" | 1934 || 10.2 kg || style="text-align:center;" | 1,150 RPM || 7.92 x 57 mm || style="text-align:center;" | Belt
|-
| ▂ || [[ShKAS (7.62 mm)]] || style="text-align:center;" | 1932 || 10.5 kg || style="text-align:center;" | 1,800 RPM || 7.62 x 54 mm R || style="text-align:center;" | Belt
|-
| ▄ || '''MAC 1934 (7.5 mm)''' || style="text-align:center;" | 1934 || 10.7 kg || style="text-align:center;" | 1,450 RPM || 7.5 x 54 mm MAS || style="text-align:center;" | Belt/Magazine
|}

== Usage in battles ==
''Describe the cannon/machine gun in the game - its distinctive features, tactics of usage against notable opponents. Please don't write a "guide" - do not impose a single point of view, but give the reader food for thought.''

=== Pros and cons ===


'''Pros:'''

* Fast firing rifle-calibre gun of its era
* Incredibly high ammunition capacity
* Very solid terminal ballistics; solid accuracy and muzzle velocity
* Large ammo capacity and amazing fire rate results in a nigh-unmatched ability to saturate an area
* Relatively harder to jam compared to contemporaries

'''Cons:'''

* Paltry damage, even for a rifle-calibre gun
* Ammunition belts leave much to be desired
* Despite the impressive ammo capacity, the guns can quickly run out of ammo due to its high fire rate

== History ==
''Examine the history of the creation and combat usage of the weapon in more detail than in the introduction. If the historical reference turns out to be too long, take it to a separate article, taking a link to the article about the weapon and adding a block "/History" (example: <nowiki>https://wiki.warthunder.com/(Weapon-name)/History</nowiki>) and add a link to it here using the <code>main</code> template. Be sure to reference text and sources by using <code><nowiki><ref></ref></nowiki></code>, as well as adding them at the end of the article with <code><nowiki><references /></nowiki></code>.''

== Media ==
''Excellent additions to the article would be video guides, screenshots from the game, and photos.''

== See also ==
''Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:''

* ''reference to the article about the variant of the cannon/machine gun;''
* ''references to approximate analogues by other nations and research trees.''

== External links ==
''Paste links to sources and external resources, such as:''

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{{Aircraft machine guns}}

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C.R.714

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{{Specs-Card
|code=caudron_cr714
|images={{Specs-Card-Image|GarageImage_{{PAGENAME}}.jpg|ArtImage_{{PAGENAME}}.png}}
}}

== Description ==

The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a rank {{Specs|rank}} French fighter {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update 1.73 "Vive la France"]].

The C.R.714 is a good transition for new pilots going from biplanes to mono-wing aircraft. Like many aircraft which are mono-wing (light Japanese aircraft excepted), they are heavier than biplanes leading to a poorer turning radius in comparison. Alternatively, newer mono-wing aircraft tended to utilize larger engines and were capable of more power. The C.R.714 initially was developed as a race plane and excels when it is allowed to remain at speed, however if forced into a turning battle, it will lose speed rapidly.

== General info ==
=== Flight performance ===
{{Specs-Avia-Flight}}

The C.R. 714's flight characteristics are relatively unsurprising given its racing heritage. The plane has good acceleration and a mediocre climb rate. Its manoeuvrability is quite bad, which is to be expected from an early monoplane fighters. The plane has a decent roll rate, but a rather lacklustre turn time when compared to the aircraft it commonly faces in battle. However, this can be remedied through effective use of the rudder, as the aircraft's control surfaces are quite effective.

The plane's engine is quite reliable, and can handle WEP for almost infinitely at higher altitudes. As well, note that the engine will experience fuel starvation when flown upside-down. However, the main limiting factor of the aircraft's performance is its top speed - the aircraft can only attain ~375 km/h at low altitudes and ~450 at higher altitudes. This means that it will barely be able to outspeed some faster biplanes at its tier. This can be remedied as the aircraft is quite structurally sound, and can manage dives of 650 km/h without issue. However, not that the ailerons tend to lock up past 500 km/h so the aircraft has very limited roll ability in dives.

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="70%"
! rowspan="2" | Characteristics
! colspan="2" | Max Speed (km/h at 4,500 m)
! rowspan="2" | Max altitude (metres)
! colspan="2" | Turn time (seconds)
! colspan="2" | Rate of climb (metres/second)
! rowspan="2" | Take-off run (metres)
|-
! AB !! RB !! AB !! RB !! AB !! RB
|-
! Stock
| 460 || 446 || rowspan="2" | {{Specs|ceiling}} || 21.2 || 22.0 || 6.5 || 6.5 || rowspan="2" | 200
|-
! Upgraded
| 516 || 487 || 18.9 || 20.0 || 13.1 || 9.3
|-
|}

==== Details ====
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="50%"
|-
! colspan="5" | Features
|-
! Combat flaps !! Take-off flaps !! Landing flaps !! Air brakes !! Arrestor gear
|-
| ✓ || ✓ || ✓ || X || X 
|-
|}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="50%"
|-
! colspan="7" | Limits
|-
! rowspan="2" | Wings (km/h)
! rowspan="2" | Gear (km/h)
! colspan="3" | Flaps (km/h)
! colspan="2" | Max Static G
|-
! Combat !! Take-off !! Landing !! + !! -
|-
| {{Specs|destruction|body}} || {{Specs|destruction|gear}} || 332 || 309 || 240 || ~12 || ~6
|-
|}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="4" | Optimal velocities (km/h)
|-
! Ailerons !! Rudder !! Elevators !! Radiator
|-
| < 280 || < 240 || < 420 || > 280
|-
|}

=== Survivability and armour ===
{{Specs-Avia-Armour}}


* No armour plating on aircraft
* Self-sealing fuel tank located between engine and pilot

=== Modifications and economy ===
{{Specs-Economy}}

== Armaments ==
{{Specs-Avia-Armaments}}
=== Offensive armament ===
{{Specs-Avia-Offensive}}

{{main|MAC 1934 (7.5 mm)}}

The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' is armed with:

* 4 x 7.5 mm MAC 1934 machine guns, wing-mounted (300 rpg = 1,200 total)

The four machine guns are arranged in bundles of two mounted in the wing. Each are armed with the same amount of ammunition, which means that all guns will fire together until empty.

== Usage in battles ==

The C.R.714's racing heritage heavily influences the playstyle for this aircraft: Boom and Zoom. Spend the first portion of the match climbing to altitude, then locate a suitable target and dive on them. However, it would be a wise choice to prioritize slower, bulkier targets as the plane's ailerons will make it impossible to change course at high speeds. Simply dive in, fire a burst, then climb out. If the enemy manoeuvres to prevent you from shooting them, simply pull up and disengage back to a higher altitude. Don't over-engage as it will mean that you will lose your speed advantage, and potentially force you into a turn fight. Do not engage in a turn fight. Most of all of other fighters you will face will have a tighter turning radius and will easily find themselves right behind you.

The C.R.714 is a fairly responsive aircraft and while it may not be the best turn fighter, if you are caught in a turn/looping fight, utilize the strong rudder to aid in making sharper turns. Many times, utilizing the rudder will throw off the trajectory of your aircraft making it more difficult for a pursuing aircraft to get accurate gun fire on you. However, the best defence to this is to simply not get caught in a turn fight - most of the time, the aircraft will not fare well in extended turns, and will quickly be sent back to the hangar.

'''Specific enemies worth noting:'''

* [[I-15 M-22]] and [[I-153 M-62]]: The Chaika family of biplanes are a destructive set of enemies often encountered at your BR. The earlier models possess an extreme level of manoeuvrability, while later models have a strong top speed almost as good as yours. The best strategy to resort to is to simply Boom & Zoom on them while they're occupied or in a dogfight. Their airframes are fragile and won't take many hits from your 7.5 mm MGs.
* [[Bf 109 B-1]] / [[Re.2000 serie 1]]: These two aircraft have been lumped together due to their similar characteristics. Both are faster than you, and will beat you in a speed battle. The best way to engage these aircraft is to have an altitude advantage and B & Z them when they're not paying attention or occupied. If one tries to dive on you, turn outwards and force them to disengage.
* Other reserve aircraft / early biplanes: This category includes the [[P-26A-33|P-26]], [[He 51 A-1|He 51]], [[Fury Mk I|Fury]] and other low-tier aircraft. They all have lower top speeds than you, meaning that you can B & Z them without much issue. As well, their airframes are practically made of paper, so a few shots will be enough to send them back to the hangar.

=== Manual Engine Control ===
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="7" | MEC elements
|-
! rowspan="2" | Mixer
! rowspan="2" | Pitch
! colspan="3" | Radiator
! rowspan="2" | Supercharger
! rowspan="2" | Turbocharger
|-
! Oil !! Water !! Type
|-
| Controllable || Controllable Not auto controlled || Controllable Not auto controlled || Not controllable Not auto controlled || Separate || Not controllable 1 gear || Not controllable
|-
|}

=== Pros and cons ===


'''Pros:'''

* Great roll rate
* Decent level acceleration; faster than most aircraft at its BR, even when stock
* Machine guns are quite powerful and have a high rate of fire
* Small target
* One of the best Boom and Zoom/energy fighters at its rank
* Excellent cockpit visibility
* Tracer ammunition is made up entirely of armour-piercing incendiary rounds, making it very deadly, especially at its BR

'''Cons:'''

* Machine guns jam after 6 to 10 seconds of continuous fire
* Average turn radius (almost catches smoke trail in turn)
* Low ammunition count combined with high rate of fire means that trigger discipline is needed
* Can be difficult to master for early players still learning the game

== History ==

The C.R.714 "Cyclone" was the final variant of the C.R.710 aircraft family developed by Caudron-Renault aircraft, designed as a wooden light fighter capable of boosting the inventory of the French Air Force. The aircraft was improved over the original C.R.710 through a strengthened airframe, redesigned wing, and new engine that is able to handle negative G loads. The aircraft also had its armament changed from twin 20 mm Hispano 404 cannons to four 7.5 mm machine guns. The Air Ministry ordered 20 C.R.714 aircraft in November of 1938, along with options for 180 more aircraft.

Deliveries of the aircraft began in January of 1940. By that time, it was very apparent that the aircraft had serious design flaws: importantly, the wooden airframe prevented the installation of a more powerful engine. The insufficient engine power of the C.R.714 limited its performance so much that it was withdrawn from active duty. Subsequently, the order total was reduced to 90 aircraft, 80 of them intended to be diverted to Finland to fight in the Winter War.

However, a series of events resulted in only six aircraft being delivered to Finland, and they didn't see active service as the Finnish personnel deemed the aircraft too dangerous to operate in winter conditions. Thus, 35 Cyclones ended up being delivered to the Polish "Warsaw" squadron, based in Lyon. Soon after, pilot opinion confirmed that the underpowered aircraft was no match for the Bf-109Es they commonly encountered over French airspace.

As there were no other options, the Polish pilots flew the C.R.714 for the remainder of the Battle of France. Despite the obsolescence of their aircraft, they still managed to shoot down 12 German aircraft, with losses of 9 in the air and 9 on the ground. By the end of June, when France fell, only 53 C.R.714s had been completed, and the remaining airframes were quickly retired.

== Media ==


;Skins

* [https://live.warthunder.com/feed/camouflages/?vehicle=caudron_cr714 Skins and camouflages for the {{PAGENAME}} from live.warthunder.com.]

;Videos
{{Youtube-gallery|J43vCE-Fo30|'''The Shooting Range #67''' - ''Pages of History'' section at 03:22 discusses the C.R.714.}}

== See also ==
''Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:''

* ''reference to the series of the aircraft;''
* ''links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.''

== External links ==


* [[wt:en/news/5024-development-caudron-cr-714-racing-breed-en|[Development] Caudron CR.714: Racing Breed]]
* [https://forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/385696-caudron-c714/ Official data sheet - more details about the performance]

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