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M60A2

2020-07-05T19:53:46Z

U77572367: /* Pros and cons */

{{Specs-Card|code=us_m60a2}}
{{About
| about = American medium tank '''{{PAGENAME}}'''
| usage = other uses
| link = M60 (Disambiguation)
}}

== Description ==

[[File:GarageImage_{{PAGENAME}}.jpg|420px|thumb|left]]
{{break}}
The '''{{specs|name}}''' is a Rank {{specs|rank}} American medium tank {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update 1.69 "Regia Aeronautica"]].

== General info ==
=== Survivability and armour ===

The M60A2 shares the hull with the other M60 variants. That means that the front hull armour is sufficient to stop 100 mm/105 mm kinetic ammunition of the same tier, while it does not protect you against hollow charge shells with a calibre of 90 mm and above. It also has the same 114 mm thick turret base, which is a weak point. The centre part of the turret is a cast 220 mm plate in front of the cannon breech, which while not thick enough to protect you against any shells of even outdated guns, often eats shots (at cost of the cannon breech). The outer parts of the turret are significantly lower than the breech and rounded like in most post war soviet tanks. If not hit head-on, these sides can bounce most of the incomming shots. On top of the turret is a massive cupolar for the commander, which is a big weakpoint and often gets your commander killed, even the whole tank if your opponent is firing shells with explosive filler. The side armour on the hull is thick enough to withstand cannon fire of up to 25 mm (excluding APDS and the part around the gearbox), while cannons with a calibre of up to 40 mm will have significant problems and the tank may withstand a large number of shells. It will however not stop shells fired out of cannons of equal tier. The back of the hull can even be penetrated by HMGs. The turret side is around the cannon is 120-140 mm thick and will resist most shots if angled. The lower part however will most likely get penetrated often due to the reduced thickness the further towards the turret back you get. The hull is completely filled with ammunition, ammo is placed to the left, right and behind the driver (which is sitting in the middle of the front hull). Taking a reduced amount of shells is therefore advisable. The crew is well spaced, a solid shot in the front turret will likely only kill a single crew member, since all crew members sit next to each other and not behind each ohter like in most other tanks, but this obviously increases the chance to get destroyed due to a side-shot. Overall the armour will not completely protect you, but you have good chances to eat a bigger amount of shells than most other tanks.

=== Mobility ===


{{tankMobility|abMinHp= 1162|rbMinHp= 663|}}

The mobility of the vehicle is average for its tier. With a top speed of 48 km/h (RB) and -11km/h in reverse, it is not as fast as other tanks like the Leopard 1, but fast enough to get where you want quickly. The manoeuvrability is average to bad: you lose a lot of speed while turning. You can, however, turn on the spot thanks to neutral steering.

== Armaments ==
=== Main armament ===

{{main|M162 (152 mm)}}

The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' utilizes the following main cannon:

1 x 152 mm M162 cannon.

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="6" | [[M162 (152 mm)|152 mm M162]]
|-
! colspan="3" rowspan="1" style="width:5em" |Capacity
! rowspan="1" | Vertical guidance
! rowspan="1" | Horizontal guidance
! rowspan="1" | Stabilizer
|-
| colspan="3" | 46 || -10°/+20° || ±180° || Two-plane
|-
! colspan="6" | Turret rotation speed (°/s)
|-
! style="width:4em" |Mode
! style="width:4em" |Stock
! style="width:4em" |Upgraded
! style="width:4em" |Prior + Full crew
! style="width:4em" |Prior + Expert qualif.
! style="width:4em" |Prior + Ace qualif.
|-
| ''Arcade'' || 38.1 || 52.7 || __.__ || __.__ || 75.3
|-
| ''Realistic'' || 23.8 || 28.0 || __.__ || __.__ || 40.0
|-
! colspan="4" | Reloading rate (seconds)
|-
! colspan="1" style="width:4em" |Stock
! colspan="1" style="width:4em" |Prior + Full crew
! colspan="1" style="width:4em" |Prior + Expert qualif.
! colspan="1" style="width:4em" |Prior + Ace qualif.
|-
| 15.6/20 || 13.8/__ || __.__ || 12.0/15.0
|-
|}

===== Ammunition =====
{| class="wikitable sortable" style="text-align:center" width="100%"
! colspan="8" | Penetration statistics
|-
! rowspan="2" data-sort-type="text" | Ammunition
! rowspan="2" class="unsortable" | Type of warhead
! colspan="6" | '''Penetration''' '''''in mm''''' '''@ 90°'''
|-
! 10m
! 100m
! 500m
! 1000m
! 1500m
! 2000m
|-
| M409A1 || HEAT || 354 || 354 || 354 || 354 || 354 || 354
|-
| M657A2 || HE || 38 || 38 || 38 || 38 || 38 || 38
|-
| MGM-51B Shillelagh || ATGM || 431 || 431 || 431 || 431 || 431 || 431
|-
|}
{| class="wikitable sortable" style="text-align:center" width="100%"
! colspan="11" | Shell details
|-
! rowspan="2" data-sort-type="text" | Ammunition
! rowspan="2" class="unsortable" | Type of warhead
! rowspan="2" |Velocity in m/s
! rowspan="2" |Projectile Mass in kg
! rowspan="2" | ''Fuse delay''
''in m:''
! rowspan="2" | ''Fuse sensitivity''
''in mm:''
! rowspan="2" | ''Explosive Mass in g (TNT equivalent):''
! rowspan="2" | ''Normalization At 30° from horizontal:''
! colspan="3" | ''Ricochet:''
|-
! 0%
! 50%
! 100%
|-
| M409A1 || HEAT || 682 || 19 || 0.0 || 0.1 || 3,730 || +0° || 62° || 69° || 73°
|-
| M657A2 || HE || 682 || 22 || 0.1 || 0.1 || 4,300 || +0° || 79° || 80° || 81°
|-
| MGM-51B Shillelagh || ATGM || 323 || 28 || 0.0 || 0.01 || 3,600 || +0° || 80° || 82° || 90°
|-
|}

===== [[Ammo racks|Ammo racks]] =====
[[File:Ammoracks_{{PAGENAME}}.png|right|thumbnail|x250px|Ammo racks of the {{PAGENAME}}.]]
{| class="wikitable sortable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! class="wikitable unsortable" |Full ammo
! class="wikitable unsortable" |1st rack empty
! class="wikitable unsortable" |2nd rack empty
! class="wikitable unsortable" |3rd rack empty
! class="wikitable unsortable" |4th rack empty
! class="wikitable unsortable" |5th rack empty
! class="wikitable unsortable" |6th rack empty
! class="wikitable unsortable" |Visual discrepancy
|-
|| '''46''' || 46 ''(+0)'' || 39 ''(+7)'' || 33 ''(+13)'' || 25 ''(+21)'' || 12 ''(+32)'' || 1 ''(+45)'' || style="text-align:left" | no
|-
|}

Vertical rounds: 33 ''(+13)'' Empty turret: 25 ''(+21)''

=== Machine guns ===

You are equipped with a coaxial 7.62 mm LMG and a 12.7 mm HMG on top of the turret. Like on most American vehicles, this allows you to engage lightly armoured vehicles and slow aeroplanes at small to medium ranges.

{| class="wikitable"
! colspan="4" |[[M85 (12.7 mm)|12.7 mm M85]]
|-
! colspan="4" |Commander's Cupola
|-
!Capacity (Belt)
!Fire Rate
(Shots/Minute)
!Vertical
!Horizontal
|-
|1080 (200)
|626
| -15°/+60°
|±180°
|}
{| class="wikitable"
! colspan="4" |[[M73 (7.62 mm)|7.62 mm M73]]
|-
! colspan="4" |Coaxial
|-
!Capacity (Belt)
!Fire Rate
(Shots/Minute)
!Vertical
!Horizontal
|-
|5500 (250)
|500
|N/A
|N/A
|}

== Usage in the battles ==

The M60A2 Starship is the perfect combination of armour, firepower, and speed. Based on the chassis of the M60, it has decent mobility and armour. While the addition of the 152 mm gun/launcher allows the player to reliably pierce enemy tanks armour at its tier. The Shillelagh missile unlocks the possibility on long-range sniping, along with the powerful HEAT shell. Or if you are a more aggressive player, flank the enemy and hide your position using your smoke grenade launchers. However, reload time is not that great so immediately go back to cover after you take a shot. Suggested roles are support, sniper, and flanker.

=== Modules ===
{| class="wikitable"
|-
!Tier
! colspan="2" |Mobility
!Protection
! colspan="2" |Firepower
!
|-
|I
|Tracks
|
|Parts
|Horizontal Drive
|
|
|-
|II
|Suspension
|Brake System
|FPE
|Adjustment of Fire
|MGM-51B Shillelagh
|
|-
|III
|Filters
|
|Crew Replenishment
|Elevation Mechanism
|Smoke Grenade
|
|-
|IV
|Transmission
|Engine
|
|Artillery Support
|Laser Rangefinder
|NVD
|}

=== Pros and cons ===

'''Pros:'''

* Very fast turret rotation
* Turret front is hard to predictably penetrate due to its odd design
* Has smoke launchers
* Same ammunition as the [[M551|M551 Sheridan]]
* Stabilizer allows for accurate firing on the move and fast reaction time, especially for a vehicle with the ability to launch ATGMs
* the armour can be very good

'''Cons:'''

* Slow - off road the Starship struggles to reach 30 km/h on a slight downhill
* Cannot fire from cover like the [[IT-1]] or [[RakJPz 2|Raketenjagdpanzers]]
* Cupola is one huge weak point sticking out up top
* ATGM has a reload several seconds longer than normal ammunition
* Can only hold 7 ATGM ammunition total
* ATGM has a very low starting speed making it hard to hit moving targets at closer ranges

== History ==
''Describe the history of the creation and combat usage of the ground vehicle in more detail than in the introduction. If the historical reference turns out to be too big, take it to a separate article, taking a link to an article about the vehicle and adding a block "/historical reference" (example: https://wiki.warthunder.com/Name-vehicles/historical reference) and add a link to it here using the <code>main</code> template. Be sure to include links to sources at the end of the article.''

== Media ==


;Skins

[https://live.warthunder.com/feed/camouflages/?vehicleCountry=usa&vehicleType=tank&vehicleClass=medium_tank&vehicle=us_m60a2 '''Skins''' and '''camouflages''' for the M60A2 from live.warthunder.com.]

;Videos
{{Youtube-gallery|60IVWW1_Flw|'''The Shooting Range #52''' - ''Metal Beasts'' section at 02:24 discusses the M60A2.}}

==References==
<references />

== Read also ==


== Sources ==


{{USA medium tanks}}
[[Category:ATGM vehicles]]

F9F-8

2020-05-25T20:08:57Z

U77572367: Added some pros and cons

{{Specs-Card
|code=f9f-8
|cockpit = 75152/187257
}}
{{About
| about = American naval jet fighter '''{{PAGENAME}}'''
| usage = other uses
| link = F9F (Family)
}}

== Description ==

[[File:GarageImage_{{PAGENAME}}.jpg|420px|thumb|left]]
{{break}}
The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a rank {{Specs|rank}} American naval jet fighter {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update 1.63 "Desert Hunters"]].

== General info ==
=== Flight Performance ===
''Describe how the aircraft behaves in the air. Speed, manoeuvrability, acceleration and allowable loads - these are the most important characteristics of the vehicle.''

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
! rowspan="2" | Characteristics
! colspan="2" | Max Speed (km/h at 610 m)
! rowspan="2" | Max altitude (metres)
! colspan="2" | Turn time (seconds)
! colspan="2" | Rate of climb (metres/second)
! rowspan="2" | Take-off run (metres)
|-
! AB !! RB !! AB !! RB !! AB !! RB
|-
! Stock
| 1,019 || 988 || rowspan="2" | {{Specs|ceiling}} || 33.7 || 34.3 || 22.1 || 20.6 || rowspan="2" | 500
|-
! Upgraded
| ??? || ??? || ??.? || ??.? || ??.? || ??.?
|-
|}

====Details====
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="6" | Features
|-
! Combat flaps !! Take-off flaps !! Landing flaps !! Air brakes !! Arrestor gear !! Drogue chute
|-
| X || X || ✓ || ✓ || ✓ || X 
|-
|}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="7" | Limits
|-
! rowspan="2" | Wings (km/h)
! rowspan="2" | Gear (km/h)
! colspan="3" | Flaps (km/h)
! colspan="2" | Max Static G
|-
! Combat !! Take-off !! Landing !! + !! -
|-
| {{Specs|destruction|body}} || {{Specs|destruction|gear}} || N/A || N/A || 410 || ~9 || ~5
|-
|}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="4" | Optimal velocities (km/h)
|-
! Ailerons !! Rudder !! Elevators !! Radiator
|-
| < 950 || < 790 || < 510 || N/A
|-
|}

==== Engine performance ====
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="3" | Engine
! colspan="6" | Aircraft mass
|-
! colspan="2" | Engine name || Number
! colspan="3" | Empty mass || colspan="3" | Wing loading (full fuel)
|-
| colspan="2" | Pratt & Whitney J48-P-8A || 1
| colspan="3" | 5,900 kg || colspan="3" | 286 kg/m2
|-
! colspan="3" | Engine characteristics
! colspan="5" | Mass with fuel (no weapons load) || rowspan="2" | Max Takeoff Weight
|-
! Weight (each) || colspan="2" | Type
! 17m fuel || 20m fuel || 30m fuel || 45m fuel || 58m fuel
|-
| 600 kg || colspan="2" | Axial-flow turbojet
| 6,796 kg || 6,952 kg || 7,472 kg || 8,253 kg || 8,929 kg || 9,636 kg
|-
! colspan="3" | {{Annotation|Maximum engine thrust @ 0 m (RB / SB)|The maximum thrust produced by each engine, while mounted in the aircraft. NOTE: Thrust varies significantly depending on speed & altitude.}}
! colspan="6" | Thrust to weight ratio @ 0 m (100%)
|-
! Condition || 100% || WEP
! 17m fuel || 20m fuel || 30m fuel || 45m fuel || 58m fuel || MTOW
|-
| ''Stationary'' || 3,182 kgf || N/A
| 0.47 || 0.46 || 0.43 || 0.39 || 0.36 || 0.33
|-
| ''Optimal'' || 3,182 kgf (0 km/h) || N/A
| 0.47 || 0.46 || 0.43 || 0.39 || 0.36 || 0.33
|-
|}

=== Survivability and armour ===


* 9.5 mm steel - in front of cockpit
* 8.5 mm steel - behind pilot
* 60 mm steel - armoured windscreen

== Armaments ==
=== Offensive armament ===

{{main|AN/M3 (20 mm)}}

The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' is armed with:

* 4 x AN/M3 20 mm cannon (190 RPG = 760 total)

=== Suspended armament ===

{{main|AN-M64A1 (500 lb)|AN-M65A1 (1,000 lb)|AIM-9B}}

The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' can be outfitted with the following ordnance:

* Without load
* 4 х 500 lb AN-M64A1 bombs (2,000 lb total)
* 2 х 1000 lb AN-M65A1 Fin M129 bombs (2,000 lb total)
* 4 х AIM-9B Sidewinder air-to-air missiles

== Usage in battles ==


First of your objective when you purchase this plane is to research as fast as you can the 20 mm cannons modifications. The F9F-8 default cannons get jammed in a quick burst.

This said don’t expect to dogfight very well against any pure fighter jet as the turn time is quite stock but when you spade it out turning does get a better but the F9F-8 performs great defensing maneuvers and can keep up in turns with the MiGs (beware that doesn’t have the great acceleration that MiGs have).

This is not an air superiority aircraft, its main purpose is to support ground vehicles and planes.

The best tactics if you are new to this plane is to fly it like a F9F-2 or F9F-5 so stay near some allies and give them support.

* Never roll too hard over 750 km\h (466 mph) or the wings will explode
* Never execute maneuvers over –2 G or the wings will explode



===Modules===
{| class="wikitable"
! Tier
! colspan="2" |Flight performance
! Survivability
! colspan="2" |Weaponry
|-
| I
| Fuselage repair||Compressor
|
|
|
|-
| II
| New boosters||
| Airframe
| Offensive 20 mm||FLBC mk.1
|-
| III
| Wings repair||Engine
|
| New 20 mm cannons||
|-
| IV
| G-suit||
| Cover
| ||AIM-9B
|-
|}

=== Pros and cons ===


'''Pros:'''

* Good bombload options
* Four 20 mm cannons can shred enemy aircraft and light ground targets
* Slightly better top speed than on the F9F Panther
* Can equip with AIM-9 Sidewinder guided missiles
* Good roll rate over 800 kph (497 mph)
* Faster than its predecessors
* can be used as a dog fighter when down-tiered

'''Cons:'''

* Bad turn time overall; even the Hawker Hunter can turn tighter in some scenarios
* Top speed is not great but is not terrible either
* Can't equip rockets
* Around 500 mph and Above the plane starts to compress quite badly
* Cannot turn over -2G
* Rips very very easily in turns and rolls
* Not good at retaining energy, have to be very strict in order to keep it
* Poor acceleration
* Guns tend to jam quickly without New 20 mm upgrade
* Very difficult stock grind
* very expensive cost and training for a 8.3 jet ( similar cost to the f4E phantom )
* expensive modification costs for an 8.3 jet
* cannot dogfight very well
* when equipped the AIM-9 Sidewinder guided missiles the performance drops dramatically
* matchmaker is very harsh on it will have a 8/10 chance of being uptiered
* can see mig 17s and the Shenyang f-5 where it has no hope of touching them
* the passive Gameplay of supporting and not jumping into action can be quite boring to players

== History ==


It was Grumman's engineers who first thought of developing their successful F9F Panther fighter into a swept-wing variant. The resulting ''Cougar'' was a very new design in many ways bucking post-war design trends. The fuselage, fin and rudder remained the same, however, the wings were completely new with a 35-degree sweep and lacking the distinctive wingtip tanks of the Panther. The engine was also an upgrade, a Pratt and Whitney J48 with an extra 1,000 kg of thrust over the previous J42. First flight was 20 September 1951, with operational trials starting three months later. Squadron deliveries began in November 1952. 706 F9F-6s with the original engine were produced, and 168 of the F9F-7 which used the Allison J33 turbojet instead.

The F9F-8 was the final version. Its prototype's first flight was December 1953. In this model, the fuselage was lengthened 30 cm to increase the space for fuel tanks. It had the J48-P-8 engines installed that gave it a total of 3,447kg of Thrust, the wings were also modified slightly to add an in-air refuelling probe plus the capability of mounting four Aim-9 sidewinders and a nose radar was fitted. In total, 601 F9F-8s were built.

The F9F-8 was too late to see combat in Korea, however, there were four trainer versions of the F9F-8 (F9F-8T) deployed to Vietnam and was used in airstrike directing for incoming allied aircraft.

The Argentine Navy was the only other nation to operate the F9F-8 and was the first jet aircraft that they ever had capable of breaking the sound barrier (In a dive).

It is also worth noting that the F9F-8 was redesignated, as part of the United States Tri-Service Designation System, to the F-9J in 1962.

== Media ==


;Images
<div><ul>
<li style="display: inline-block;"> [[File:F9F-8 left-hand banking turn (In-Game).jpg|thumb|none|250px|]] </li>
<li style="display: inline-block;"> [[File:F9F-8 Sidewinder.jpg|thumb|none|355px|]] </li>
</ul></div>

;Videos
{{Youtube-gallery|iQ97c_m8G0I|'''The Shooting Range #16''' - ''Pages of History'' section at 04:05 discusses the F9F-8.}}

== See also ==


* [[F9F-2]]
* [[F9F-5]]

== External links ==


* [https://warthunder.com/en/news/4239-development-f9f-8-cougar-a-perfect-predator-en/ [Devblog<nowiki>]</nowiki> F9F-8 Cougar - A Perfect Predator]

{{AirManufacturer Grumman}}
{{USA jet aircraft}}

Tu-4

2020-05-25T16:42:08Z

U77572367: Added a con

{{Specs-Card|code=tu_4}}
{{About
| about = Russian heavy bomber '''{{PAGENAME}}'''
| usage = other versions
| link = B-29/Tu-4 (Family)
}}
== Description ==

[[File:GarageImage_{{PAGENAME}}.jpg|420px|thumb|left]]
{{break}}
The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a rank {{Specs|rank}} Russian heavy bomber {{Battle-rating}}. This bomber was introduced in [[Update 1.59 "Flaming Arrows"]]. Though it's an almost identical structure copy of the American [[B-29A-BN|B-29 bomber]], the Tu-4 features an improved 23 mm defensive armament and a very large payload.

Russian engineers reverse engineered an interred B-29 to develop an "exact" copy per Stalin's request. Challenges were met as available materials were developed using the metric system and the B-29 had been developed using the standard imperial system. Equipment had to be retooled and new supplies had to be developed to match the metric version of the imperial standard sizes. In the end, between the two aircraft, the Russian Tu-4 only weighed 340 kg more than the B-29, a difference of less than 1%. So stringent was the bureaucratic process for manufacturing parts and equipment, special permission from a high-level general was required to allow Soviet-made parachutes to be utilized in the Tu-4.

The Tu-4 is a heavy bomber, able to load up to 12,000 kg of bombs. It is able to fully destroy all three bases in one run, while also dealing significant damage to the enemy's airfield. Its defensive armament consists of 5 x turrets with each having 2 x 23 mm cannons (a total of 10 x 23 mm cannons). These guns can annihilate enemy fliers in seconds while covering a wide area, making a Tu-4 tough to approach, let alone attack. However, don't be fooled, it is a huge target and thus nearly impossible to miss. With its battle rating of 8.0 in RB, it faces top rank jet fighters most of the time.

== General info ==
=== Flight Performance ===
''Describe how the aircraft behaves in the air. Speed, manoeuvrability, acceleration and allowable loads - these are the most important characteristics of the vehicle.''

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="8" | Characteristics
|-
! colspan="8" | ''Stock''
|-
! colspan="2" | Max Speed (km/h at 9,100 m)
! rowspan="2" | Max altitude (meters)
! colspan="2" | Turn time (seconds)
! colspan="2" | Rate of climb (meters/second)
! rowspan="2" | Take-off run (meters)
|-
! AB
! RB
! AB
! RB
! AB
! RB
|-
| 618 || 605 || {{Specs|ceiling}} || 33.4 || 35.0 || 4.7 || 4.6 || 1,800
|-
! colspan="8" | ''Upgraded''
|-
! colspan="2" | Max Speed (km/h at 9,100 m)
! rowspan="2" | Max altitude (meters)
! colspan="2" | Turn time (seconds)
! colspan="2" | Rate of climb (meters/second)
! rowspan="2" | Take-off run (meters)
|-
! AB
! RB
! AB
! RB
! AB
! RB
|-
| 665 || 641 || {{Specs|ceiling}} || 30.4 || 32.0 || 10.5 || 6.5 || 1,800
|-
|}

====Details====
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="5" | Features
|-
! Combat flaps
! Take-off flaps
! Landing flaps
! Air brakes
! Arrestor gear
|-
| ✓ || ✓ || ✓ || X || X 
|-
|}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="5" | Limits
|-
! rowspan="2" | Wing-break speed (km/h)
! rowspan="2" | Gear limit (km/h)
! rowspan="2" | Combat flaps (km/h)
! colspan="2" | Max Static G
|-
! +
! -
|-
| {{Specs|destruction|constructions}} || {{Specs|destruction|chassis}} || 340 || ~4 || ~2
|-
|}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="4" | Optimal velocities
|-
! Ailerons (km/h)
! Rudder (km/h)
! Elevators (km/h)
! Radiator (km/h)
|-
| < 340 || < 350 || < 290 || > 400
|-
|}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="3" | Compressor (RB/SB)
|-
! colspan="3" | Setting 1
|-
! Optimal altitude
! 100% Engine power
! WEP Engine power
|-
| 9,720 m || 2,200 hp || 2,499 hp
|-
|}

=== Survivability and armour ===


* 60 mm Bulletproof glass in front of the pilots.
* 6.5 mm Steel plates in front of the pilots.
* 6.5 mm Steel plates behind the pilots.
* 6.5 mm Steel plates in front of tail control tractions.
* 6.5 mm Steel plates boxing around rear dorsal gunner and beam gunners.
* 6.5 mm Steel plate behind the rear ventral turret.
* 60 mm Bulletproof glass in front of tail gunner.
* 6.5 mm Steel plate in front of tail gunner.

Do not be fooled of its nickname of "The Russian Death Star". Even with its powerful defensive armament, it does have weak spots.

While playing the Hunter F 1 or the Vautour IIA, it is easy to send this monster of an aircraft back to base with just one burst. Engaging in a head-on is recommended, as the pilots have little protection, usually knocking them both out.

However, the Tu-4 is a monster of an aircraft in terms of its profile and size, making it very easy to hit. Wings and the tail control are weak spots, so hitting the wings will result in severe wing damage on the Tu-4, forcing it to return to base or even sending it back to the hangar.

While flying the Sabres, try to aim for the fuel tanks in the wings. Most of the time, just set the fuel tanks ablaze, or even blowing off the wing, sending the foe back to the hangar.

'''Do not engage the Tu-4 from the six!''' Engaging the Tu-4 at its tail, especially from below, '''is''' asking for trouble. Always try to engage the Tu-4 from the top, or in head-ons, the fuselage turrets have dead zones when engaging from >~70 degrees.

== Armaments ==
=== Suspended armament ===

{{main|:Category:Suspended armaments|l1=Suspended armaments}}

The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' can be outfitted with the following ordnance:

* 40 x 100 kg FAB-100 bombs (4,000 kg total)
* 40 x 250 kg FAB-250M43 bombs (10,000 kg total)
* 12 x 500 kg FAB-500 bombs (6,000 kg total)
* 20 x 500 kg FAB-500 bombs (10,000 kg total)
* 8 x 1,000 kg FAB-1000 bombs (8,000 kg total)
* 8 x 1,500 kg FAB-1500M-46 bombs (12,000 kg total)
* 4 x 3,000 kg FAB-3000M-46 bombs (12,000 kg total)

=== Defensive armament ===

{{main|NR-23 (23 mm)}}

The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' is defended by:

* 2 x 23 mm NR-23 cannons, front dorsal turret (275 rpg = 550 total)
* 2 x 23 mm NR-23 cannons, front ventral turret (250 rpg = 500 total)
* 2 x 23 mm NR-23 cannons, rear dorsal turret (275 rpg = 550 total)
* 2 x 23 mm NR-23 cannons, rear ventral turret (500 rpg = 1,000 total)
* 2 x 23 mm NR-23 cannons, tail turret (275 rpg = 550 total)

== Usage in battles ==

The below tactics can be used in all games modes:

Like most planes of its class, the Tu-4 relies on its defensive turrets for aerial combat. A few good hits from its 10 x 23 mm guns can send an attacker back to base, with critical damage or, if not, credit the player with the victory. Maxing out the crew stats is a good idea, it will allow the player to focus more on flying while the AI does the gunning. Don't get too arrogant, remember, the Tu-4 is a huge plane. It is easy to hit, and as mentioned above, especially when the opponents could be jets.

All in all, pay attention to the aircraft's surroundings. The Tu-4 can easily net the team a win so don't let the feeling of invincibility get imbued, or the only reward will be a fiery end.

With this bomber's high battle rating, you should be actively looking out for enemy vehicles. It is possible for an attacker to have a relative closing speed of over 1000 km/h. Relying solely on the spotting system will allow some fighters to get so close it will be impossible for you to react. It is especially common for the enemy to approach either in a 30° cone straight ahead or to trail behind and below you, generally outside gun range before pulling up sharply.

When first starting with this aircraft, the payload option is 40 x 100 kg bombs which are able to destroy numerous bases. One of the best ways to maximize the payload's effectiveness, 15 x 100 kg bombs are needed for one base. The A.I. gunners will be able to defend the plane as bombs are dropped from the bombsight until switching back to the pilot seat, ready to head to next objective. The best option for base bombing is the 8 x 1500 kg payload. A single bomb will be enough to destroy a base, provided you do not miss.

Once the Tu-4's bombing run is complete, start descending towards the friendly airfield; enemy fighters '''will''' be hunting for the Tu-4, so be more alert. The Tu-4 has a very powerful defensive system installed with 5 turrets, each with two 2 x 23 mm cannons, so the Tu-4 should be able to defend itself reasonably well. If you believe that landing would be putting the aircraft in grave danger, it is worth considering to instead stay high and shoot down approaching fighters, calling out your position will often lower the stigma associated with this action.

'''Do not''' rely on the AI gunners. Most of the time the Tu-4 will face top rank jets including [[Hunter F 1]]s and [[F-86F-2|F2 Sabres]]. These adversaries are usually experienced and will not foolishly tail the bomber for long and try to engage at ranges greater than 1 km or engage in a head-on pass. These manoeuvres render the AI gunners largely useless. Laying down a stream of 23 mm rounds is recommended, but beware of jamming. Hits can be scored within 1.5 - 2 km, if somebody is tailing the Tu-4 or engaging in a head-on pass, they can also occur at greater ranges. Combine the turret shooting with a defensive style of flying to utilize it to its full potential; the Tu-4 offers good handling for its size. Be very careful when putting the Tu-4 into a dive. It is just as prone as any other aircraft to suffering structural damage if its limitations are exceeded. Do '''not''' rely on flaps to slow down, their weak construction will let you down.

The two most dangerous opponents of the Tu-4 are the [[S.O.4050 Vautour IIA]] and the [[Hunter F 1]]. With their 30mm cannons, one burst will be devastating against the Tu-4. The [[F-86F-2]] is also a dangerous opponent, with four 20 mm cannons with a very high velocity and rate of fire.

When down tiered, the most dangerous opponents are the [[Me 163 B]], the [[Me 262 C-2b]] and the [[R2Y2 (Family)|R2Y2 KAI]]s. All equipped with 30 mm cannons, they are able to send the Tu-4 back to the hangar within one burst. The 163's and KI-200 extreme mobility are something to be wary of. It isn't uncommon for bomber pilots to lose track of the attacker after a fly by.

Don't underestimate the other Sabres, such as the [[F-86F-40 (Japan)|F-86F-40]] and the [[CL-13A Mk 5|CL-13A]]. Their 12.7 mm machine guns can do a lot of damage, crippling or setting the Tu-4 afire, which could end the match for the plane there.

Do not consider any enemy bomber or attacker as a neutral or even friendly party. It is quite common for [[Canberra B (I) Mk 6|Canberra]]'s or even [[B-57B|B-57]]'s to try and engage you if the opportunity presents itself.

===Manual Engine Control===
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="7" | MEC elements
|-
! rowspan="2" | Mixer
! rowspan="2" | Pitch
! colspan="3" | Radiator
! rowspan="2" | Supercharger
! rowspan="2" | Turbocharger
|-
! Oil
! Water
! Type
|-
| Controllable || rowspan="2" | Controllable Auto control available || rowspan="2" | Not controllable Not auto controlled || rowspan="2" | Controllable Not auto controlled || rowspan="2" | Combined || rowspan="2" | Controllable 1 gear || rowspan="2" | Auto controlled
|-
|}

===Modules===
{| class="wikitable"
! colspan="1" | Tier
! colspan="2" | Flight performance
! colspan="1" | Survivability
! colspan="3" | Weaponry
|-
| I
| Fuselage repair
| Radiator
|
|
|
|
|-
| II
|
| Compressor
| Airframe
|
| KD-3
| KD-4
|-
| III
| Wings repair
| Engine
|
| Turret 23 mm
|
|
|-
| IV
|
| Engine injection
| Cover
| New 23 mm cannons (turret)
| BD-4
|
|-
|}

=== Pros and cons ===


'''Pros:'''

* This aircraft currently has the highest payload in the game of up to 12,000 kg (26,455 lbs)
* Very strong and fast climber once flight performance modifications have been purchased (''compressor'', ''engine'', and ''engine injection'')
* Offers effective defensive turrets that have very few dead zones
* Lots of ammo for defensive armaments
* Almost identical to the B-29 in terms of performance
* All payload options are internal and has next to no effect on flight performance
* Gunners are located separately from the gun turret with the exception of the tail turret
* Multiple Tu-4s single-handedly win games, if left ignored by the enemy team
* Stock-friendly grind
* Rewarding experience, if plane survives the match
* With a good gunner crew, this aircraft can defend itself from most fighters coming to attack it, due to its 23 mm turrets
* Easy to learn, similar learning curve as the B-29
* A good game can be extremely rewarding in Silver Lions, especially if using a booster.

'''Cons:'''

* Usually will lose Silver Lions after playing the Tu-4 due to the immense repair costs (40 097 Silver Lions spaded)
* Does not offer any payload modification immediately, unlike the B-29
* Prone to fires and wing damage
* Slightly less engine power than the B-29
* Will be ripped to shreds by cannons with the calibre of/larger than 20 mm, especially the [[MK 108 (30 mm)|MK 108]] and the [[ADEN (30 mm)|ADEN]]/[[DEFA 541 (30 mm)|DEFA 541]]
* Matchmaking will make this aircraft face top rank jets such as the [[F-86F-2|Sabre]], [[Hunter F 1|Hunter]] and the [[S.O.4050 Vautour IIA|Vautour]]
* Unable to reliably defend itself from multiple opponents attacking at once from multiple directions
* Huge aircraft, making it easy to spot from distance and making it close to impossible to miss
* Has a low dive top-speed
* Takes a while to reach an optimal altitude
* Landing gear takes a long time to deploy and retract
* Wings are considered weak spots, damaged wings will hinder the plane's control
* Flaps are one piece, making it frequent for a wing to lose the whole piece at once. This can affect lift significantly.
* Can be hard to handle during landing, especially on short runways.
* Takes a while to reach the ground (in one piece)
* against missiles you are hopeless

== History ==


The Soviet Tu-4 strategic bomber is a copy of the B-29 with more powerful engines and armament. The USSR did not possess strategic aviation capacity in 1945 while having a great requirement for it as the Cold War was about to begin. The B-29's that ended up in the hands of Soviet engineers seemed to be a technological miracle and a vast gap between the long-range bomber technologies of the US and the USSR was soon discovered. This leads to a hurried cloning effort while created the TU-4, a Soviet copy of the American bomber with a few modifications.

== Media ==

{{Youtube-gallery|gxIVvUZGptw|'''The Shooting Range #51''' - ''Special'' section at 00:29 discusses the B-29 & Tu-4.|G-sMfeWsEq0|'''The Shooting Range #148''' - ''Pages of History'' section at 07:12 discusses the Tu-4.}}

== See also ==
''Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:''

* ''reference to the series of the aircraft;''
* ''links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.''

== External links ==


* [http://warthunder.com/en/news/3756-development-b-29-superfortress-tu-4-the-new-face-of-the-giant-en/ [Devblog<nowiki>]</nowiki> B-29 Superfortress/Tu-4 – the new face of the giant]

{{AirManufacturer Tupolev}}
{{USSR bombers}}

F9F-8

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{{Specs-Card
|code=f9f-8
|cockpit = 75152/187257
}}
{{About
| about = American naval jet fighter '''{{PAGENAME}}'''
| usage = other uses
| link = F9F (Family)
}}

== Description ==

[[File:GarageImage_{{PAGENAME}}.jpg|420px|thumb|left]]
{{break}}
The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a rank {{Specs|rank}} American naval jet fighter {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update 1.63 "Desert Hunters"]].

== General info ==
=== Flight Performance ===
''Describe how the aircraft behaves in the air. Speed, manoeuvrability, acceleration and allowable loads - these are the most important characteristics of the vehicle.''

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
! rowspan="2" | Characteristics
! colspan="2" | Max Speed (km/h at 610 m)
! rowspan="2" | Max altitude (metres)
! colspan="2" | Turn time (seconds)
! colspan="2" | Rate of climb (metres/second)
! rowspan="2" | Take-off run (metres)
|-
! AB !! RB !! AB !! RB !! AB !! RB
|-
! Stock
| 1,019 || 988 || rowspan="2" | {{Specs|ceiling}} || 33.7 || 34.3 || 22.1 || 20.6 || rowspan="2" | 500
|-
! Upgraded
| ??? || ??? || ??.? || ??.? || ??.? || ??.?
|-
|}

====Details====
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="6" | Features
|-
! Combat flaps !! Take-off flaps !! Landing flaps !! Air brakes !! Arrestor gear !! Drogue chute
|-
| X || X || ✓ || ✓ || ✓ || X 
|-
|}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="7" | Limits
|-
! rowspan="2" | Wings (km/h)
! rowspan="2" | Gear (km/h)
! colspan="3" | Flaps (km/h)
! colspan="2" | Max Static G
|-
! Combat !! Take-off !! Landing !! + !! -
|-
| {{Specs|destruction|body}} || {{Specs|destruction|gear}} || N/A || N/A || 410 || ~9 || ~5
|-
|}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="4" | Optimal velocities (km/h)
|-
! Ailerons !! Rudder !! Elevators !! Radiator
|-
| < 950 || < 790 || < 510 || N/A
|-
|}

==== Engine performance ====
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="3" | Engine
! colspan="6" | Aircraft mass
|-
! colspan="2" | Engine name || Number
! colspan="3" | Empty mass || colspan="3" | Wing loading (full fuel)
|-
| colspan="2" | Pratt & Whitney J48-P-8A || 1
| colspan="3" | 5,900 kg || colspan="3" | 286 kg/m2
|-
! colspan="3" | Engine characteristics
! colspan="5" | Mass with fuel (no weapons load) || rowspan="2" | Max Takeoff Weight
|-
! Weight (each) || colspan="2" | Type
! 17m fuel || 20m fuel || 30m fuel || 45m fuel || 58m fuel
|-
| 600 kg || colspan="2" | Axial-flow turbojet
| 6,796 kg || 6,952 kg || 7,472 kg || 8,253 kg || 8,929 kg || 9,636 kg
|-
! colspan="3" | {{Annotation|Maximum engine thrust @ 0 m (RB / SB)|The maximum thrust produced by each engine, while mounted in the aircraft. NOTE: Thrust varies significantly depending on speed & altitude.}}
! colspan="6" | Thrust to weight ratio @ 0 m (100%)
|-
! Condition || 100% || WEP
! 17m fuel || 20m fuel || 30m fuel || 45m fuel || 58m fuel || MTOW
|-
| ''Stationary'' || 3,182 kgf || N/A
| 0.47 || 0.46 || 0.43 || 0.39 || 0.36 || 0.33
|-
| ''Optimal'' || 3,182 kgf (0 km/h) || N/A
| 0.47 || 0.46 || 0.43 || 0.39 || 0.36 || 0.33
|-
|}

=== Survivability and armour ===


* 9.5 mm steel - in front of cockpit
* 8.5 mm steel - behind pilot
* 60 mm steel - armoured windscreen

== Armaments ==
=== Offensive armament ===

{{main|AN/M3 (20 mm)}}

The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' is armed with:

* 4 x AN/M3 20 mm cannon (190 RPG = 760 total)

=== Suspended armament ===

{{main|AN-M64A1 (500 lb)|AN-M65A1 (1,000 lb)|AIM-9B}}

The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' can be outfitted with the following ordnance:

* Without load
* 4 х 500 lb AN-M64A1 bombs (2,000 lb total)
* 2 х 1000 lb AN-M65A1 Fin M129 bombs (2,000 lb total)
* 4 х AIM-9B Sidewinder air-to-air missiles

== Usage in battles ==


First of your objective when you purchase this plane is to research as fast as you can the 20 mm cannons modifications. The F9F-8 default cannons get jammed in a quick burst.

This said don’t expect to dogfight very well against any pure fighter jet as the turn time is quite stock but when you spade it out turning does get a better but the F9F-8 performs great defensing maneuvers and can keep up in turns with the MiGs (beware that doesn’t have the great acceleration that MiGs have).

This is not an air superiority aircraft, its main purpose is to support ground vehicles and planes.

The best tactics if you are new to this plane is to fly it like a F9F-2 or F9F-5 so stay near some allies and give them support.

* Never roll too hard over 750 km\h (466 mph) or the wings will explode
* Never execute maneuvers over –2 G or the wings will explode



===Modules===
{| class="wikitable"
! Tier
! colspan="2" |Flight performance
! Survivability
! colspan="2" |Weaponry
|-
| I
| Fuselage repair||Compressor
|
|
|
|-
| II
| New boosters||
| Airframe
| Offensive 20 mm||FLBC mk.1
|-
| III
| Wings repair||Engine
|
| New 20 mm cannons||
|-
| IV
| G-suit||
| Cover
| ||AIM-9B
|-
|}

=== Pros and cons ===


'''Pros:'''

* Good bombload options
* Four 20 mm cannons can shred enemy aircraft and light ground targets
* Slightly better top speed than on the F9F Panther
* Can equip with AIM-9 Sidewinder guided missiles
* Good roll rate over 800 kph (497 mph)
* Faster than its predecessors

'''Cons:'''

* Bad turn time overall; even the Hawker Hunter can turn tighter in some scenarios
* Top speed is not great but is not terrible either
* Can't equip rockets
* Cannot turn over -2G
* Rips very very easily in turns and rolls
* Not good at retaining energy, have to be very strict in order to keep it
* Poor acceleration
* Guns tend to jam quickly without New 20 mm upgrade
* very difficult stock grind

== History ==


It was Grumman's engineers who first thought of developing their successful F9F Panther fighter into a swept-wing variant. The resulting ''Cougar'' was a very new design in many ways bucking post-war design trends. The fuselage, fin and rudder remained the same, however, the wings were completely new with a 35-degree sweep and lacking the distinctive wingtip tanks of the Panther. The engine was also an upgrade, a Pratt and Whitney J48 with an extra 1,000 kg of thrust over the previous J42. First flight was 20 September 1951, with operational trials starting three months later. Squadron deliveries began in November 1952. 706 F9F-6s with the original engine were produced, and 168 of the F9F-7 which used the Allison J33 turbojet instead.

The F9F-8 was the final version. Its prototype's first flight was December 1953. In this model, the fuselage was lengthened 30 cm to increase the space for fuel tanks. It had the J48-P-8 engines installed that gave it a total of 3,447kg of Thrust, the wings were also modified slightly to add an in-air refuelling probe plus the capability of mounting four Aim-9 sidewinders and a nose radar was fitted. In total, 601 F9F-8s were built.

The F9F-8 was too late to see combat in Korea, however, there were four trainer versions of the F9F-8 (F9F-8T) deployed to Vietnam and was used in airstrike directing for incoming allied aircraft.

The Argentine Navy was the only other nation to operate the F9F-8 and was the first jet aircraft that they ever had capable of breaking the sound barrier (In a dive).

It is also worth noting that the F9F-8 was redesignated, as part of the United States Tri-Service Designation System, to the F-9J in 1962.

== Media ==


;Images
<div><ul>
<li style="display: inline-block;"> [[File:F9F-8 left-hand banking turn (In-Game).jpg|thumb|none|250px|]] </li>
<li style="display: inline-block;"> [[File:F9F-8 Sidewinder.jpg|thumb|none|355px|]] </li>
</ul></div>

;Videos
{{Youtube-gallery|iQ97c_m8G0I|'''The Shooting Range #16''' - ''Pages of History'' section at 04:05 discusses the F9F-8.}}

== See also ==


* [[F9F-2]]
* [[F9F-5]]

== External links ==


* [https://warthunder.com/en/news/4239-development-f9f-8-cougar-a-perfect-predator-en/ [Devblog<nowiki>]</nowiki> F9F-8 Cougar - A Perfect Predator]

{{AirManufacturer Grumman}}
{{USA jet aircraft}}