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Ikv 72

2020-06-14T22:49:40Z

U44610438: /* Pros and cons */

{{Specs-Card|code=sw_ikv_72}}

== Description ==

[[File:GarageImage_{{PAGENAME}}.jpg|420px|thumb|left]]
{{Break}}
The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a rank {{Specs|rank}} Swedish tank destroyer {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update 1.97 "Viking Fury"]].

== General info ==
=== Survivability and armour ===

With a maximum frontal armour thickness of 18.5 mm, the Ikv 72 has nearly no armour to speak of. The side armour is almost negligible, and can be penetrated by even rifle-calibre machine guns at point blank ranges. Aircraft are particularly deadly, as the vehicle has an open-topped crew compartment, and what little roof armour there is is only 5 mm thick at most.

The crew compartment is very cramped, and any hit by a large shell is liable to disable multiple crew members, if not all of them, simultaneously.

=== Mobility ===


{{tankMobility|abMinHp= 206|rbMinHp= 128}}

The Ikv 72 trades armour for mobility, boasting an excellent power/weight ratio and a high top speed of around 60 km/h. This allows it to easily get to good positions where it can put its powerful gun to best use. A high reverse speed also allows it to easily back off, and is particularly valuable when fighting in hull-down positions, where it can use its excellent gun depression to its advantage.

== Armaments ==
=== Main armament ===

{{main|Kan m/41 (75 mm)}}

The Ikv 72 is armed with the '''7,5 cm kan m/41''', a rather conventional quick-firing 75 mm field gun. It starts off with the unremarkable '''slpprj m/40''' uncapped AP shot, which is adequate against most opposition it may encounter but tends to suffer ricochets against sloped armour. However, once upgraded, the gun may fire the '''slpgr m/39''' uncapped APHE shell and the '''slpprj m/40B''' APBC shot. The former round has a very lethal 260 g TNT filler but tends to ricochet more and has less penetration, while the latter has better penetration and ricochets less, and is thus more useful in uptiers. It is recommended to carry a mixture of both APHE and APBC unless the Ikv 72 is top tier, in which case the APHE alone is sufficient.

The gun also has an outstanding ±20° of gun elevation, allowing the Ikv 72 to take advantage of hull down positions that most other tanks cannot.

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="100%"
|-
! colspan="5" | [[Kan m/41 (75 mm)|75 mm Kan m/41]] || colspan="5" | Turret rotation speed (°/s) || colspan="4" | Reloading rate (seconds)
|-
! Mode !! Capacity !! Vertical !! Horizontal !! Stabilizer
! Stock !! Upgraded !! Full !! Expert !! Aced
! Stock !! Full !! Expert !! Aced
|-
! ''Arcade''
| rowspan="2" | 42 || rowspan="2" | ±20° || rowspan="2" | ±10° || rowspan="2" | N/A || 7.0 || __._ || __._ || __._ || __._ || rowspan="2" | 7.6 || rowspan="2" | _._ || rowspan="2" | _._ || rowspan="2" | _._
|-
! ''Realistic''
| 4.8 || __._ || __._ || __._ || __._
|-
|}

==== Ammunition ====
{| class="wikitable sortable" style="text-align:center" width="100%"
! colspan="8" | Penetration statistics
|-
! rowspan="2" data-sort-type="text" | Ammunition
! rowspan="2" | Type of warhead
! colspan="6" | '''Penetration @ 0° Angle of Attack (mm)'''
|-
! 10 m !! 100 m !! 500 m !! 1,000 m !! 1,500 m !! 2,000 m
|-
| sgr m/40 || HE || 9 || 9 || 9 || 9 || 9 || 9
|-
| slpgr m/39 || APHE || 63 || 61 || 53 || 44 || 37 || 31
|-
| slpprj m/40 || AP || 85 || 83 || 74 || 64 || 55 || 48
|-
| slpprj m/40B || APBC || 85 || 82 || 73 || 63 || 54 || 46
|-
|}
{| class="wikitable sortable" style="text-align:center" width="100%"
! colspan="10" | Shell details
|-
! rowspan="2" data-sort-type="text" | Ammunition
! rowspan="2" | Type of warhead
! rowspan="2" | Velocity (m/s)
! rowspan="2" | Projectile Mass (kg)
! rowspan="2" | Fuse delay (m)
! rowspan="2" | Fuse sensitivity (mm)
! rowspan="2" | Explosive Mass (TNT equivalent) (g)
! colspan="3" | Ricochet
|-
! 0% !! 50% !! 100%
|-
| sgr m/40 || HE || 570 || 6.43 || 0.4 || 0.5 || 580 || 79° || 80° || 81°
|-
| slpgr m/39 || APHE || 580 || 6.5 || 1.2 || 9.0 || 260 || 47° || 60° || 65°
|-
| slpprj m/40 || AP || 580 || 6.6 || N/A || N/A || N/A || 47° || 60° || 65°
|-
| slpprj m/40B || APBC || 590 || 6.3 || N/A || N/A || N/A || 48° || 63° || 71°
|-
|}
{| class="wikitable sortable" style="text-align:center"
! colspan="7" | Smoke shell characteristics
|-
! Ammunition
! Velocity (m/s)
! Projectile Mass (kg)
! Screen radius (m)
! Screen deploy time (s)
! Screen hold time (s)
! Explosive Mass (TNT equivalent) (g)
|-
| rökgr m/22 || 496 || 6.6 || 13 || 5 || 20 || 8
|-
|}
==== [[Ammo racks]] ====

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! Full ammo
! 1st rack empty
! 2nd rack empty
! 3rd rack empty
! 4th rack empty
! Visual discrepancy
|-
| '''42''' || 37 ''(+5)'' || 31 ''(+11)'' || 16 ''(+26)'' || 1 ''(+41)'' || No
|-
|}

==== [[Optics]] ====
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
! colspan="3" | {{PAGENAME}} Optics
|-
!
! Default magnification
! Maximum magnification
|-
! Main Gun optics
| X1.8 || X3.5
|-
! Comparable optics
| colspan="2" | ___
|-
|}

== Usage in battles ==

The Ikv 72 excels at fighting from hull down positions, using its outstanding 20 degrees of gun depression and high reverse speed to limit exposure when taking shots. The high reverse speed also helps in city fighting when it has to quickly retreat after taking a shot. It is fast enough to keep up with even light tanks and can use this to take up unexpected positions from which to strike at the enemy.

=== Modules ===
{| class="wikitable"
! Tier
! colspan="2" | Mobility
! Protection
! colspan="2" | Firepower
|-
| I
| Tracks
|
| Parts
| Horizontal Drive
|
|-
| II
| Suspension
| Brake System
| FPE
| Adjustment of Fire
| rökgr m/22
|-
| III
| Filters
|
| Crew Replenishment
| Elevation Mechanism
| slpgr m/39
|-
| IV
| Transmission
| Engine
|
| slpprj m/40B
|
|-
|}

=== Pros and cons ===


'''Pros:'''

* Outstanding gun depression (-20)
* Relatively fast rate-of-fire.
* Excellent forward and reverse speeds.
* Highly effective APHE shell with a large explosive filler.
* Small target size, especially at long range.
* Ammo is stored very safely, will get only ammoracked by artilerry or by direct hits.

'''Cons:'''

* Extremely vulnerable to aircraft.
* Nearly no armour to speak of.
* Must choose between high penetration APBC or high damage APHE.
* Cramped crew compartment.
* All ammunition have a slow velocity at between 570 and 590m/s thus using the Ikv 72 as a sniper is advised against.
* The slow shell velocity compared to other guns at the BR take time to get used to and newer players will tend to fire short of the target enabling them essentially a free kill while you reload and recalculate the distance.

== History ==


The Infanterikanonvagn 72 was a project started in 1949 by Sweden for an assault gun. The intended role of this vehicle was to support the infantry in the attack, replacing towed artillery guns. The design was to be small, and of light weight, around 6 tons. This was to reduce costs so a larger amount could be produced. The first prototype from Landsverk, completed in 1950, was armed only with three machine guns. This was insufficient, and it was re-armed with a 75 mm cannon, the same gun from the Strv m/42. It was a small, lightly armored vehicle, with a casemate superstructure housing the 75 mm gun. It had a crew of 4, and it was open topped. The Ikv 72 was later upgraded to the Ikv 102 and Ikv 103 standards, receiving an armored roof for the crew compartment, a 105 mm gun, and other improvements. The design weighed about 8 tons.

== Media ==
''Excellent additions to the article would be video guides, screenshots from the game, and photos.''

== See also ==
''Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:''

* ''reference to the series of the vehicles;''
* ''links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.''

== Bibliography ==

* GlobalSecurity.org. (n.d.). Infanterikanonvagn 72 / 102 / 103. GlobalSecurity.org. https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/europe/ikv-72.htm
* Infanterikanonvagn 72. (2020, May 14). In ''Wikipedia''. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Infanterikanonvagn_72&oldid=956568359

== External links ==
''Paste links to sources and external resources, such as:''

* ''topic on the official game forum;''
* ''encyclopedia page on the tank;''
* ''other literature.''

{{Sweden tank destroyers}}

P.108A serie 2

2020-04-20T01:59:45Z

U44610438: Fixed a few mistakes in the Modification section.

{{Specs-Card|code=p_108a_serie2}}
{{About
| about = Italian attacker '''{{PAGENAME}}'''
| and
| usage = the bombers
| link-1 = P.108B serie 1
| link-2 = P.108B serie 2
}}

== Description ==

[[File:GarageImage_{{PAGENAME}}.jpg|420px|thumb|left]]
{{break}}
The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a rank {{Specs|rank}} Italian attacker {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update 1.69 "Regia Aeronautica"]]. It features a 102 mm cannon in its fuselage, one of the largest armament placed onto an aircraft.

The P.108 serie 2 is your normal P.108, but with a 102 mm anti-shipping gun containing 50 rounds. In saying that, your basically an over sized HS 129 or PBJ-H1. The main reason for not seeing the aircraft on air AB, Rb or even Sim is due to the fact the plane is demanding on takeoff due to its low horsepower engines and will not take off if combat flaps or take-off flaps are down (if you don't, its going to be quite hard to take off). The defensive weaponry is decent for its battle rating but will not survive if it get up tiered to 4.3.

== General info ==
=== Flight Performance ===
''Describe how the aircraft behaves in the air. Speed, manoeuvrability, acceleration and allowable loads - these are the most important characteristics of the vehicle.''

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="8" | Characteristics
|-
! colspan="8" | ''Stock''
|-
! colspan="2" | Max Speed (km/h at 3,049 m)
! rowspan="2" | Max altitude (meters)
! colspan="2" | Turn time (seconds)
! colspan="2" | Rate of climb (meters/second)
! rowspan="2" | Take-off run (meters)
|-
! AB
! RB
! AB
! RB
! AB
! RB
|-
| 420 || 413 || 7,500 || 33.0 || 34.1 || 5.0 || 5.9 || 750
|-
! colspan="8" | ''Upgraded''
|-
! colspan="2" | Max Speed (km/h at 3,049 m)
! rowspan="2" | Max altitude (meters)
! colspan="2" | Turn time (seconds)
! colspan="2" | Rate of climb (meters/second)
! rowspan="2" | Take-off run (meters)
|-
! AB
! RB
! AB
! RB
! AB
! RB
|-
| 464 || 444 || 7,500 || 29.6 || 31.0 || 9.8 || 7.7 || 750
|-
|}

====Details====
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="5" | Features
|-
! Combat flap
! Take-off flap
! Landing flap
! Air brakes
! Arrestor gear
|-
| ✓ || ✓ || ✓ || X || X 
|-
|}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="5" | Limits
|-
! rowspan="2" | Wing-break speed (km/h)
! rowspan="2" | Gear limit (km/h)
! rowspan="2" | Combat flap (km/h)
! colspan="2" | Max Static G
|-
! +
! -
|-
| {{Specs|разрушение|конструкции}} || {{Specs|разрушение|шасси}} || ??? || ~?? || ~?
|-
|}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="4" | Optimal velocities
|-
! Ailerons (km/h)
! Rudder (km/h)
! Elevators (km/h)
! Radiator (km/h)
|-
| < ??? || < ??? || < ??? || > ???
|-
|}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="3" | Compressor (RB/SB)
|-
! colspan="3" | Setting 1
|-
! Optimal altitude
! 100% Engine power
! WEP Engine power
|-
| ?,??? m || ??? hp || ?,??? hp
|-

|}

=== Survivability and armour ===


* 8 mm Steel - Cockpit armor - instrument panel, pilot's seat, co-pilot's seat and floor plate below pilot
* 8 mm Steel - Armor plate protecting ammo located in wings
* 8 mm Steel - Side gunner armored walls
* 8 mm Steel - Ventral gunner position
* Fuel tanks located in wings

== Armaments ==
=== Offensive armament ===

{{main|Cannon 102/35 mod 14 (102 mm)}}

The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' is armed with:

* 102 mm 102/35 mod 14 cannon (50 rpg)

=== Defensive armament ===

{{main|Breda-SAFAT (12.7 mm)|Breda-SAFAT (7.7 mm)}}

The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' is defended by:

* 2 x 12.7 mm Breda-SAFAT machine gun, 2 x wing turret (300 rpg = 1,200 total)
* 1 x 12.7 mm Breda-SAFAT machine gun, ventral turret (450 rpg)
* 1 x 7.7 mm Breda-SAFAT machine gun, 2 x beam turret (400 rpg = 800 total)

== Usage in battles ==

The Piaggio P.108A Serie 2 is a 4 engine attacker. Despite being a attacker the 102 mm cannon is relatively inaccurate which means the targets that suits this plane the best is usually stationary targets that the 102 mm cannon can penetrate and destroy. The plane's defensive firepower is relatively poor and you should try to avoid enemy planes as much as possible. If a enemy plane is lining up to attack you from the front, try to swing your plane and give him the tail of the plane so your gunners can shoot back at the enemy aircraft.

Stay low and do not go above 1,900 m and speed is key try to maintain a speed of close to 200 kph as that gives you wiggle room as your stall speed is 155 kph despite the massive weight.

===Manual Engine Control===
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="7" | MEC elements
|-
! rowspan="2" | Mixer
! rowspan="2" | Pitch
! colspan="3" | Radiator
! rowspan="2" | Supercharger
! rowspan="2" | Turbocharger
|-
! Oil
! Water
! Type
|-
| Controllable || rowspan="2" | Not controllable || rowspan="2" | Not controllable || rowspan="2" | Not controllable || rowspan="2" | Separate || rowspan="2" | Not controllable || rowspan="2" | Not controllable
|-
|}

===Modules===
{| class="wikitable"
! colspan="1" | Tier
! colspan="2" | Flight performance
! colspan="1" | Survivability
! colspan="2" | Weaponry
|-
| I
| Fuselage Repair
| Radiator
|
| Turret 7 mm
|
|-
| II
|
| Compressor
| Airframe
| New 7 mm MGs (Turret)
| Offensive 102 mm
|-
| III
| Wing's Repair
| Engine
|
| Turret 12 mm
|
|-
| IV
|
| Engine Injection
| Cover
| New 12 mm MGs (Turret)
| New 102 mm Cannons
|-
|}

# The first tier modifications to be unlocked should be ''Radiator'' and ''Fuselage Repair'' then ''Turret 7 mm''. This is so you can improve the poor performance of the plane. The belts should be last as no matter what the defensive firepower of the plane with or with out the belts would still remain poor.
# The second tier upgrades should start with the ''Airframe'' so your plane is a bit more durable. Then get the ''New 7 mm MGs (turret)'' and ''Offensive 102 mm'' for increase in firepower and defensive armament. Finally go get the ''Compressor''.
# The Third tier modifications should start of with the ''Engine'', then unlock the ''Wing Repair''. Last of all unlock the ''Turret 12.7 mm.''
# The fourth tier modification should start of with the ''New 12.7 mm MGs (turret)'' then ''Cover''. And your last two modification should be ''Engine Injection'' and ''New 102 mm Cannons''.

=== Pros and cons ===


'''Pros:'''

* 102 mm cannon can prove devastating on a direct hit
* Large amount of ammo for the cannon
* 2 turrets are placed on the distant engines allowing for more guns to face backwards

'''cons'''

* Low accuracy cannon and sluggish airframe make lining up shots very difficult
* Gunners are bunched together and easily knocked out
* Turrets on the engines cannot face forwards
* Relatively Weak Defensive armament
* Head on attacks are usually fatal for this plane
* Massive target
* Prone to fuel tank fire due to tremendous fuel load

== History ==
''Describe the history of the creation and combat usage of the aircraft in more detail than in the introduction. If the historical reference turns out to be too big, take it to a separate article, taking a link to the article about the vehicle and adding a block "/ History" (example: <nowiki>https://wiki.warthunder.com/(Vehicle-name)/History</nowiki>) and add a link to it here using the <code>main</code> template. Be sure to reference text and sources by using <code><nowiki><ref></nowiki></code>, as well as adding them at the end of the article. This section may also include the vehicle's dev blog entry (if applicable) and the in-game encyclopedia description (under <code><nowiki>=== Encyclopedia Info ===</nowiki></code>, also if applicable).''

== Media ==
''Excellent additions to the article would be video guides, screenshots from the game, and photos.''

== See also ==
''Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:''

* ''reference to the series of the aircraft;''
* ''links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.''

== External links ==
''Paste links to sources and external resources, such as:''

* ''topic on the official game forum;''
* ''encyclopedia page on the aircraft;''
* ''other literature.''

{{AirManufacturer Piaggio}}
{{Italy attackers}}

Sd.Kfz.234/1

2020-04-14T23:35:05Z

U44610438: Wrote the pros and cons. Wrote a small summary of the mobility of the Sdkfz.234/1

{{Specs-Card
|code=germ_sdkfz_234_1
|market=Sd.Kfz.234/1 (Germany)}}

== Description ==


The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a premium gift rank {{Specs|rank}} German light tank {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced during [[Update 1.97 "Viking Fury"]] as a reward for the [[wt:en/news/6669-special-space-race-en|"Space Race" event]].

== General info ==
=== Survivability and armour ===
''Describe armour protection. Note the most well protected and key weak areas. Appreciate the layout of modules as well as the number and location of crew members. Is the level of armour protection sufficient, is the placement of modules helpful for survival in combat? If necessary use a visual template to indicate the most secure and weak zones of the armour.''

=== Mobility ===
''Write about the mobility of the ground vehicle. Estimate the specific power and manoeuvrability, as well as the maximum speed forwards and backwards.''

The Sdkfz.234/1 has the same manoeuvrability as the rest of the Puma brethern. It has a maxiumum speed of 100km/h, both forward and reverse in Arcade and 90km/h forward and reverse in Realistic.

{{tankMobility|abMinHp=325|rbMinHp=186}}

== Armaments ==
=== Main armament ===
{{main|KwK38 (20 mm)}}

''Give the reader information about the characteristics of the main gun. Assess its effectiveness in a battle based on the reloading speed, ballistics and the power of shells. Do not forget about the flexibility of the fire, that is how quickly the cannon can be aimed at the target, open fire on it and aim at another enemy. Add a link to the main article on the gun: <code><nowiki>{{main|Name of the weapon}}</nowiki></code>. Describe in general terms the ammunition available for the main gun. Give advice on how to use them and how to fill the ammunition storage.''

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="100%"
|-
! colspan="5" | [[KwK38 (20 mm)|20 mm KwK38]] || colspan="5" | Turret rotation speed (°/s) || colspan="4" | Reloading rate (seconds)
|-
! Mode !! Capacity !! Vertical !! Horizontal !! Stabilizer
! Stock !! Upgraded !! Full !! Expert !! Aced
! Stock !! Full !! Expert !! Aced
|-
! ''Arcade''
| rowspan="2" | 250 || rowspan="2" | -4°/+70° || rowspan="2" | ±180° || rowspan="2" | N/A || 14.3 || __.__ || __.__ || __.__ || __.__ || rowspan="2" | 7.8 || rowspan="2" | _.__ || rowspan="2" | _.__ || rowspan="2" | _.__
|-
! ''Realistic''
| 8.9 || __.__ || __.__ || __.__ || __.__
|-
|}

==== Ammunition ====
{| class="wikitable sortable" style="text-align:center" width="100%"
! colspan="7" | Penetration statistics
|-
! rowspan="2" data-sort-type="text" | Ammunition
! colspan="6" | '''Penetration @ 0° Angle of Attack (mm)'''
|-
! 10 m !! 100 m !! 500 m !! 1,000 m !! 1,500 m !! 2,000 m
|-
| Default || 36 || 34 || 26 || 19 || 14 || 10
|-
| Sprgr. || 2 || 2 || 2 || 2 || 2 || 2
|-
| PzGr || 36 || 34 || 26 || 19 || 14 || 10
|-
| PzGr 40 || 64 || 63 || 26 || 8 || 3 || 1
|-
|}

==== [[Ammo racks]] ====

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! Full ammo
! 1st rack empty
! 2nd rack empty
! 3rd rack empty
! 4th rack empty
! 5th rack empty
! 6th rack empty
! Visual discrepancy
|-
| '''250''' || __ ''(+__)'' || __ ''(+__)'' || __ ''(+__)'' || __ ''(+__)'' || __ ''(+__)'' || __ ''(+__)'' || __
|-
|}

==== [[Optics]] ====
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
! colspan="3" | {{PAGENAME}} Optics
|-
!
! Default magnification
! Maximum magnification
|-
! Main Gun optics
| x1.8 || x3.5
|-
! Comparable optics
| colspan="2" | ___
|-
|}

=== Machine guns ===
{{main|MG42 (7.92 mm)}}

''Offensive and anti-aircraft machine guns not only allow you to fight some aircraft but also are effective against lightly armoured vehicles. Evaluate machine guns and give recommendations on its use.''

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="5" | [[MG42 (7.92 mm)|7.92 mm MG42]]
|-
! Mount
! Capacity (Belt capacity)
! Rate of fire (shots/minute)
! Vertical guidance
! Horizontal guidance
|-
| Coaxial || 1,800 (150) || 1,200 || N/A || N/A
|-
|}

== Usage in battles ==
''Describe the tactics of playing in the vehicle, the features of using vehicles in the team and advice on tactics. Refrain from creating a "guide" - do not impose a single point of view but instead give the reader food for thought. Describe the most dangerous enemies and give recommendations on fighting them. If necessary, note the specifics of the game in different modes (AB, RB, SB).''

=== Modules ===
{| class="wikitable"
! Tier
! colspan="2" | Mobility
! Protection
! colspan="2" | Firepower
|-
| I
| Tires
|
| Parts
| Horizontal Drive
| Sprgr.
|-
| II
| Suspension
| Brake System
| FPE
| Adjustment of Fire
| PzGr
|-
| III
| Filters
|
| Crew Replenishment
| Elevation Mechanism
|
|-
| IV
| Transmission
| Engine
|
| Artillery Support
| PzGr 40
|-
|}

=== Pros and cons ===
''Summarise and briefly evaluate the vehicle in terms of its characteristics and combat effectiveness. Mark its pros and cons in a bulleted list. Try not to use more than 6 points for each of the characteristics. Avoid using categorical definitions such as "bad", "good" and the like - use substitutions with softer forms such as "inadequate" and "effective".''

'''Pros:'''

* HVAP Belts are full HVAP rounds unlike the Flak 38 HVAP belts.
* The HVAP belts can penetrate a Sherman's side armour and so will have no difficulties at its Battle Rating.
* Relatively fast reload at around 7 seconds.
* It has the ability to scout, which is unique for a vehicle at such a low Battle Rating.
* The quick speed, (100km/h in AB, 90km/h in RB) allows the Puma to be one of, if not the first vehicles to both make contact with the enemy team and capture zones.
* The scouting feature allows it to repair allies, making the Sdkfz.234/1 an even more useful asset to the team.
* The KwK 38 is coupled with an MG42 with a blistering fire rate which allows quite effective suppressive fire capability.
* The 20mm cannon can shoot down aircraft due to a very high elevation angle. This means it can, in a pinch, act as a pseudo SPAA.
* It, despite having wheels, can average around 40km/h off road which, for a wheeled vehicle, is quite fast.
* The thin armour on the sides and rear mean that most solid shot rounds will go right through without causing much damage.
* Very fast acceleration both forward and reverse, getting out of a sticky situation is very easily if your driver is alive.
* The front hull and turret have 30mm of armour which is sloped to increase the thickness.

*

'''Cons:'''

* The 20mm cannon has a 7 second reload and in an urban environment, that could be the difference between life and death.
* The 20mm cannon's belt consists of only 10 rounds and it gets exhausted very quickly, this means that reloads are very frequent.
* Weak armour from the sides and rear. Can be penetrated by machine guns. Autocannons, aircraft and machine guns will shred the Puma.
* Can be hull broken by the 57mm Chi-Ha. (And anything bigger.)
* The wheeled suspension makes controlling the vehicle in turns very hard as it has a tendency to drift.
* It has a wire mesh 'skirt' above either side of the turret which gives away its position in Realistic. You need to hide all of it to be stealthy and there aren't many places other than buildings which are tall enough to do so. The wire mesh doesn't count as armour either.
* It is a wheeled vehicle so, while being race car-like on hard surfaces, mud, water, snow and sand really slow it down. (To around 20-30km/h)
* It is open topped so artillery is deadly and aircraft ramming the vehicle can knock it out.
* Turret traverse speed is average, this, coupled with its tendency to drift in turns makes taking out a target after turning quite the chore.
* Unlike the Sdkfz.234/2, the Sdkfz.234/1 does not have access to smoke grenades.
* While basically having the exact same cannon as the Flakpanzer I, 38 and Wirbelwind, unlike them, ammunition dentonations are very frequent.

*

== History ==
''Describe the history of the creation and combat usage of the vehicle in more detail than in the introduction. If the historical reference turns out to be too long, take it to a separate article, taking a link to the article about the vehicle and adding a block "/History" (example: <nowiki>https://wiki.warthunder.com/(Vehicle-name)/History</nowiki>) and add a link to it here using the <code>main</code> template. Be sure to reference text and sources by using <code><nowiki><ref></ref></nowiki></code>, as well as adding them at the end of the article with <code><nowiki><references /></nowiki></code>. This section may also include the vehicle's dev blog entry (if applicable) and the in-game encyclopedia description (under <code><nowiki>=== In-game description ===</nowiki></code>, also if applicable).''

== Media ==
''Excellent additions to the article would be video guides, screenshots from the game, and photos.''

== See also ==
''Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:''

* ''reference to the series of the vehicles;''
* ''links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.''

== External links ==
''Paste links to sources and external resources, such as:''

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* ''other literature.''

{{Germany light tanks}}
{{Germany premium ground vehicles}}

AMD.35

2020-04-04T01:40:40Z

U44610438: /* Pros and cons */

{{Specs-Card|code=fr_amd_35}}

== Description ==

[[File:GarageImage_{{PAGENAME}}.jpg|420px|thumb|left]]
{{Break}}
The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a rank {{Specs|rank}} French light tank {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update 1.93 "Shark Attack"]], replacing the [[AMC.34 YR]] as a reserve vehicle for the nation.

== General info ==
=== Survivability and armour ===

The AMD.35 raw armour thickness is superior all-around to its fellow rank I armoured cars, (including the ZT3).

{| class="wikitable"
!Armour
!Front (Slope angle)
!Sides
!Rear
!Roof
|-
|Hull
|15 mm (66°), 26 mm (0°), ''Front glacis''
15 mm (38°) ''Lower glacis''
20 mm (45°) ''Driver's hatch''
|15 mm (0°) ''Side''
20 mm (0°) ''Driver port sides''
|15 mm (22-23°) ''Fighting compartment rear''

15 mm (2°) ''Top''

15 mm (44°) ''Bottom''
|7mm
|-
|Turret
|26 mm (25°) ''Turret front''
20 mm (0-15°) ''Gun mantlets''
|15 mm (15-24°)
|15 mm (30-31°)
|7mm
|}

* Wheel are 10 mm thick.
* Fender are 5 mm thick
* Belly armour is 7 mm thick.

=== Mobility ===


{{tankMobility|abMinHp= 163|rbMinHp= 93}}

== Armaments ==
=== Main armament ===

{{main|SA34 L/72 (25 mm)}}

The AMD.35 possesses the same gun as the AMR.35 ZT3: the 25 mm SA34 L/72. Its high (950 m/s) velocity gives its shells a very flat trajectory, making rangefinding a relatively easy task.

The penetration capability is acceptable, but the post-penetration damage, because of the shell type (only APC), is very light. You will have to shoot multiple times in order to destroy an enemy tank.

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="100%"
|-
! colspan="5" | [[SA34 L/72 (25 mm)|25 mm SA34 L/72]] || colspan="5" | Turret rotation speed (°/s) || colspan="4" | Reloading rate (seconds)
|-
! Mode !! Capacity !! Vertical !! Horizontal !! Stabilizer
! Stock !! Upgraded !! Full !! Expert !! Aced
! Stock !! Full !! Expert !! Aced
|-
! ''Arcade''
| rowspan="2" | 48 || rowspan="2" | -7°/+20° || rowspan="2" | ±180° || rowspan="2" | N/A || 23.80 || 32.94 || 40.00 || 44.23 || 47.06 || rowspan="2" | 3.90 || rowspan="2" | 3.45 || rowspan="2" | 3.18 || rowspan="2" | 3.00
|-
! ''Realistic''
| 14.88 || 17.50 || 21.25 || 23.50 || 25.00
|-
|}

==== Ammunition ====
{| class="wikitable sortable" style="text-align:center" width="100%"
! colspan="8" | Penetration statistics
|-
! rowspan="2" data-sort-type="text" | Ammunition
! rowspan="2" | Type of warhead
! colspan="6" | '''Penetration @ 0° Angle of Attack (mm)'''
|-
! 10 m !! 100 m !! 500 m !! 1,000 m !! 1,500 m !! 2,000 m
|-
| Mle1934 TP (Ch.F) || APC || 64 || 61 || 50 || 39 || 31 || 24
|-
|}
{| class="wikitable sortable" style="text-align:center" width="100%"
! colspan="11" | Shell details
|-
! rowspan="2" data-sort-type="text" | Ammunition
! rowspan="2" | Type of warhead
! rowspan="2" | Velocity (m/s)
! rowspan="2" | Projectile Mass (kg)
! rowspan="2" | Fuse delay (m)
! rowspan="2" | Fuse sensitivity (mm)
! rowspan="2" | Explosive Mass (TNT equivalent) (g)
! rowspan="2" | Normalisation at 30° from horizontal
! colspan="3" | Ricochet
|-
! 0% !! 50% !! 100%
|-
| Mle1934 TP (Ch.F) || APC || 950 || 0.31 || N/A || N/A || N/A || +4.0° || 48° || 63° || 71°
|-
|}

==== [[Ammo racks]] ====
[[File:Ammorack AMD.35.png|thumb|[[Ammo racks]] of the AMD.35.]]
The SA34 L/32 utilizes single-piece ammunition stored in a single rack found behind the gunner in the hull.
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! Full ammo
! 1st rack empty
! Visual discrepancy
|-
| '''48''' || 1 ''(+47)'' || No
|-
|}
Recommended ammo load is the full 48 as not only is the full stowage small in size and is an adequate number for the gun's rate of fire (provides 2.5-3 minutes of continuous fire), but reducing the ammo count brings negligible results in this case due to the way the ammo depletes.

==== [[Optics]] ====
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
! colspan="3" | {{PAGENAME}} Optics
|-
!
! Default magnification
! Maximum magnification
|-
! Main Gun optics
| X2.1 || X3.7
|-
! Comparable optics
| colspan="2" | ___
|-
|}

=== Machine guns ===

{{main|MAC 31 (7.5 mm)}}

The AMD.35 is equipped with a single ''Mitrailleuse MAC 31 de 7,5 mm'' installed in a separate mantlet to the left of the main gun. It is loaded with 800 rounds organised in AP/AP/T belts, with a maximum 10 mm of penetration and a decent fire-rate and velocity. It is loaded with a pan magazine loaded with 150 rounds (100 AP and 50 T) per magazine. The machine gun is able to provide continuous fire for around 6.5 seconds before having to be reloaded, taking 6 seconds with a stock crew. (It seems that the magazine the AMD.35 first spawns with is considerably shorter, firing only for only 2.5 seconds before having to reload.)

The machine gun, while not carrying the destructive power of a .50 cal HMG, it is often enough to wipe out the crew of unarmoured trucks quickly and when in extreme close range, penetrate light-car armour.

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="5" | [[MAC 31 (7.5 mm)|7.5 mm MAC 31]]
|-
! Mount
! Capacity (Belt capacity)
! Fire rate (shots/minute)
! Vertical guidance
! Horizontal guidance
|-
| Coaxial || 800 (150) || 1,350 || 0°/+20° || N/A
|-
|}

== Usage in battles ==
''Describe the tactics of playing in the vehicle, the features of using vehicles in the team and advice on tactics. Refrain from creating a "guide" - do not impose a single point of view but instead give the reader food for thought. Describe the most dangerous enemies and give recommendations on fighting them. If necessary, note the specifics of the game in different modes (AB, RB, SB).''

=== Modules ===
{| class="wikitable"
! Tier
! colspan="2" | Mobility
! Protection
! Firepower
|-
| I
| Tires
|
| Parts
| Horizontal Drive
|-
| II
| Suspension
| Brake System
| FPE
| Adjustment of Fire
|-
| III
| Filters
|
| Crew Replenishment
| Elevation Mechanism
|-
| IV
| Transmission
| Engine
|
| Artillery Support
|-
|}

=== Pros and cons ===


'''Pros:'''

* High top speed in a straight line on paved and hardened surfaces (80 km/h AB, 72 km/h RB)
* Reserve vehicle means instant access and free repairs
* Quick 18°/s turret rotation (aced with stock crew, up to 25°/s max)
* Vehicle geared to achieve same top speed both in drive and reverse, allowing for a quick retreat
* Good frontal armour in its class
* Raw armour thickness is superior all-around to all other rank I armoured cars (including the ZT3) and includes three internal plates of armour around the engine compartment
* Good armour penetration of the main gun, capable of penetrating the frontal (unsloped) armour of most enemy tanks in its rank at 500 m distance
* Fast reload speed of the main gun
* Large crew for a vehicle of its class, increasing survivability
* The quick reload, relatively fast velocity and flat shell trajectory of the SA34 L/72 (25 mm) can be used to fire at low-flying planes with relative ease

'''Cons:'''

* Poor cross-country performance
* Poor fording and obstacle-crossing capabilities
* Wheeled vehicle, unable to turn on the spot
* Slow vertical gun elevation speed. (4.25°/s when aced with stock crew, up to 4.8°/s)
* Lightly armoured and vulnerable flanks and rear when compared to traditional tanks
* Limited ammo storage (48 rounds for the main gun, 800 rounds for coaxial machine gun)
* While capable of a relatively fast muzzle velocity of 950m/s, the round's light weight does not carry its force very far (dramatic decrease of penetration power above 500 m range)
* Very light APC round, doing comparatively little damage and so multiple rounds may be required to destroy a single tank
* APC round has comparatively poor penetration on vehicles with sloped armour in its rank
* Absence of specialised anti-aircraft protection
* -7° of depression compared to the -10° of the ZT3
* The AMD.35 has road wheels instead of off road ones, making cross-country performance worse than other armoured cars.
* The road wheels mean that braking takes ages and even with the upgraded brakes, stopping the vehicle from top speed takes around 5 seconds.

== History ==

The AMD.35 or ''Automitrailleuse de Découverte'', also known as the ''Panhard 178'' was a French 4x4 specialised long-range armoured reconnaissance car built by Panhard. Designed to a 1931 specification to replace older models of armoured cars, Panhard completed a prototype in October of 1933 which was evaluated in January and February of 1934. Out of four competing models, built by Panhard, Renault, Berliet and Latil, the Panhard design was considered the best, being a highly advanced design for its time. After further trials by the French Cavalry, the Panhard 178 was accepted for production as the ''AMD Panhard Modèle 1935''. Initial use revealed some issues like engine overheating and cracking of the gun sight, resulting in a major modification program in 1937 which saw numerous modifications introduced.

In order to obtain a vehicle capable of a long-range and relatively high speed for its class, Panhard designed the 178 to be relatively light. As a result, the vehicle was relatively lightly armoured, ranging from 7 mm armour bottom plates to 13 mm flank armour and 26 mm frontal armour. As a result, the vehicle had a road speed of 72 km/h (45 mph) and a range of about 300 km (186 miles), but due to its long wheelbase and leaf-spring suspension, its off-road top speed lay at 42 km/h (26 mph) and its wading and trench-crossing capacity lay at just 60 cm (2 ft). The vehicle also had its shortcomings: it had a cramped interior, poor cross-country performance, a slow turret rotation speed and a weak clutch.

Unusually for a French light reconnaissance vehicle, the Panhard 178 was equipped with a 2-man turret at a time when even most of their tanks had one-man turrets: the AP3X turret housed a commander and gunner, who had a 25 mm Hotchkiss Modèle 34 main gun and 7.5 mm Reibel coaxial machine gun at their disposal. The turret also housed a reserve machine gun which could be mounted on top for anti-aircraft defence, but which was rarely mounted in practice. The Hotchkiss gun had tungsten rounds at its disposal, capable of penetrating up to 50 mm of armour, however, these rounds performed poorly when confronted with angled armour. Already early on the poor armour-penetrating capabilities of the Hotchkiss Modèle 34 were recognised, and work was started on up-arming the AMD.35 with a 47 mm SA 35 gun. Early designs would have seen the gun fitted in the rear driver's post creating a tank-destroyer with two AT guns (the turreted Hotchkiss gun and a hull-mounted SA 35 gun), but this was abandoned in favour of a vehicle with a turreted SA 35 in an enlarged turret. Even so, by May of 1940, in the response of events in Poland, plans were already being drawn up to phase out production of the lightly armoured AMD.35 in favour of the more heavily armed and armoured AM40P.

Events decided differently, and following the German invasion of France in May of 1940, the AMD.35 proved its worth, outclassing its German counterparts. In a number of direct confrontation, German reconnaissance vehicles proved vulnerable to the Panhard's Hotchkiss gun, while their own 20 mm main gun proved ineffective against the Panhard. As a result, following the defeat of France, the Panhard 178 was taken into production for the German army as the ''Panzerspähwagen P204 (f)''. In German service, some of these vehicles were refitted with the 37 mm KwK 36; in 1944, a batch of captured ex-Vichy Panhards were fitted with the 50 mm KwK 38 L/42 or L/60 in an open turret.

Following the Liberation of France in 1944, production of the Panhard 178 was reinstated for the French Army, and consideration was given to up-arming the design with the 75 mm SA 45 L/32. A larger turret was designed which could fit this gun, however, before production started the decision was taken to fit the new Panhard 178B with the pre-war 47 mm SA 35 instead. The up-armed Panhard 178B was produced for the French Army, entering service after the War: it served both in France and its colonies, such as Syria, Tahiti, Madagascar and Indo-China. The Panhard 178B was phased out of French army service in 1960; examples taken over by Syria following its independence in 1946 continued service into the mid-1960, when it was finally phased out in favour of Soviet-supplied equipment.

== Media ==
''Excellent additions to the article would be video guides, screenshots from the game, and photos.''

== See also ==
''Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:''

* ''reference to the series of the vehicles;''
* ''links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.''

== External links ==


* [[Wikipedia:Panhard_178|[Wikipedia<nowiki>]</nowiki> Panhard 178]]
* [https://tanks-encyclopedia.com/ww2/france/Panhard-178_AMD-35.php [Tanks-Encyclopedia<nowiki>]</nowiki> Panhard 178]

{{France light tanks}}

PTF-7

2020-04-04T01:28:34Z

U44610438: /* Pros and cons */

{{Specs-Card|code=us_nasty_ptf}}

== Description ==

[[File:GarageImage_{{PAGENAME}}.jpg|420px|thumb|left]]
{{Break}}
The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a rank {{Specs|rank}} American motor gunboat {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update 1.79 "Project X"]] as part of the fleet closed beta test.

== General info ==
=== Survivability and armour ===

This boat's only armour is located at the 2 x 20 mm turrets. It consists of two 12.7 mm plates sloped at 8 degrees. Ammunition for these guns are located below the waterline and forward of the bridge. The rear of the contains the boat's two engines.

=== Mobility ===

Fully upgraded the boat has decent turning capabilities. Its speed when fully upgraded matches that of similar class torpedo boats.

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="3" | Mobility characteristic
|-
! colspan="3" | Weight (tons)
|-
| colspan="3" | 68
|-
! colspan="3" | Max Speed (km/h)
|-
! colspan="1" | Mode
!Stock
!Upgraded
|-
|''Arcade''
| 82
| 112
|-
|''Realistic/Simulator''
| 71
| 83
|-
|}

== Armament ==
=== Primary armament ===

{{main|Oerlikon Mk.II (20 mm)|AN-M2 (12.7 mm)}}

The 2 x 20 mm Oerlikon Mk.II cannons are located on either side of the bridge. They provide a cone of overlapping fire of approx 45 degrees to the front and rear of the boat. Ammunition is available in Universal, HE, and AP.

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="3" | [[Oerlikon Mk.II (20 mm)|20 mm Oerlikon Mk.II]] (x2)
|-
! colspan="3" | Turrets (Bow to stern)
|-
! || Port turret (x1) || Starboard turret (x1)
|-
! scope="row" | Vertical guidance
| -5°/+60° || -5°/+60°
|-
! scope="row" | Horizontal guidance
| -180°/+10° || -10°/+180°
|-
! scope="row" | Vertical targeting speed
| colspan="2" | 75°/s
|-
! scope="row" | Horizontal targeting speed
| colspan="2" | 75°/s
|-
! scope="row" | Ammo capacity (Belt capacity)
| colspan="2" | 2,160 (60)
|-
! scope="row" | Rounds per turret
| colspan="2" | 1,080
|-
! scope="row" | Rate of Fire (Rounds/min)
| colspan="2" | 450
|}

The single 12.7 mm AN-M2 machine gun is located in front of the bridge. The location does mean that it has a blind spot to the rear of the boat. Ammunition is only available in the default load.

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="8" | [[AN-M2 (12.7 mm)|12.7 mm AN-M2]] (x1)
|-
! Vertical Guidance || Horizontal Guidance || Vertical Targeting Speed || Horizontal Targeting Speed || Ammo Capacity (Belt Capacity) || Rate of Fire (Rounds/Min)
|-
| -5°/+40° || ±155° || 70°/s || 60°/s || 4000 (500) || 576
|-
|}

=== Secondary armament ===

{{main|Bofors L/60 Mark 3 (40 mm)}}

The 40 mm cannon is located mid-ship facing aft. This provides it with an excellent field of fire to the rear but means a blind spot to the front of the boat. Ammunition is available in Universal, HE, and AP.

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="8" | [[Bofors L/60 Mark 3 (40 mm)|40 mm Bofors L/60 Mark 3]] (x1)
|-
! Vertical Guidance || Horizontal Guidance || Vertical Targeting Speed || Horizontal Targeting Speed || Ammo Capacity (Belt Capacity) || Rate of Fire (Rounds/Min)
|-
| -6°/+87° || ±180° || 30°/s || 24°/s || 2000 (500) || 160
|-
|}

=== Special armament ===

{{main|Mk 2 (81 mm)}}

The 81 mm mortar is available once researched and fires HE ammunition. Once installed, the mortar will take the place of the 12.7 mm machine gun on the front gun emplacement.

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="8" | [[Mk 2 (81 mm)|81 mm Mk 2 Mortar]] (x1)
|-
! Vertical Guidance || Horizontal Guidance || Vertical Targeting Speed || Horizontal Targeting Speed || Ammo Capacity (Belt Capacity) || Rate of Fire (Rounds/Min)
|-
| -5°/+40° || ±155° || 45°/s || 20°/s || 100 (N/A) || 18
|-
|}

== Usage in battles ==


The 80 ft Nasty gives the captain a versatile ship that can pack a punch for it's Battle Rating, and proves to be highly capable in the hands of a skilled captain even against higher-ranked vessels. Exploiting the strengths of the Nasty and mitigating the weaknesses can make it an impressive ally as well as a fearsome opponent.

==== Exploiting Strengths ====

The 80 ft Nasty has a rather high speed, topping out at 112 km/h (~60 knots) in Arcade Battles and 83 km/h (~45 knots) in Realistic when fully upgraded. Only a small handful of other ships can match or exceed this, and they typically cannot match the armament that the 80 ft Nasty has (such as the {{Specs-Link|ussr_pr_123bis}}). This allows the 80 ft Nasty to easily get around the battlefield to carry out an abundance of tasks, anywhere from capturing points, rushing down weaker vessels, harassing larger or more powerful ships, as well as supporting teammates. While staying stationary and hiding in wait for a strike can be a viable tactic, using the speed of the 80 ft Nasty can give excellent results and support the team by being more dynamic.

Another major strength of the 80 ft Nasty is the powerful armament carried on board. Frontally, it is capable of bringing two 20 mm Oerlikon cannons on target which can easily rip through smaller boats in a quick manner. The cannon shells can penetrate through the basic armour profiles of ships at similar Battle Ratings and the high explosive component can devastate the interiors and crew of hostile vehicles. However, the true strength of the 80 ft Nasty is the 40 mm Bofors cannon mounted behind the bridge. Turning to use this weapon can massively boost the offensive firepower and allows the 80 ft Nasty to defeat weaker opponents with relative ease as well as stronger opponents with some skill and tactics. The high explosive shells obliterate ships with little or no armour, and the armour-piercing shells provide the 80 ft Nasty with the ability to tear through even the Soviet armoured gunboats, such as the {{Specs-Link|ussr_bmo}} and {{Specs-Link|ussr_1124_ack}}. Enemy aircraft can also be dealt with using both the Oerlikons and the Bofors cannons, so make sure to assist in clearing the skies when necessary.

==== Mitigating Weaknesses ====

A significant weakness of the 80 ft Nasty is the lack of torpedo armament. When caught in the middle of multiple opponents or attempting to scare off potential threats, there is little that can be done. Torpedoes give a distraction to enemies and can potentially erase them from the map, but without them, it is crucial to maintain awareness and not dive too deep into enemy territory. The 40 mm Bofors do provide capabilities against heavily armoured ships, but time is needed to take them down and too many at once is quickly overwhelming. When using the 20 mm Oerlikons it is important to note that it takes several seconds to reload, which can be a way to quickly sink in combat if not timed properly. Combined with the fact that the 80 ft Nasty is relatively large compared to other ships in the range of its Battle Rating and pushes out into open waters can quickly become a death sentence. Using the terrain and cover wisely is a helpful skill to learn in order to survive.

=== Pros and cons ===


'''Pros:'''

* High speed, giving the ability to re-position and engage targets at will
* Effective 20 mm Oerlikon cannons against other small craft
* Highly destructive 40 mm Bofors against small craft, that could also prove competent against larger vessels to a degree
* Combined Bofors and Oerlikon cannons provide an effective anti-aircraft armament
* Can exchange the .50 cal AN-M2 machine gun for an effective 81mm mortar which, if aimed correctly can cripple most ships in its BR range

'''Cons:'''

* Lack of torpedo armament makes attacks against larger vessels exceedingly dangerous
* Large size makes it an easy target, and lack of any hull armour means low survivability
* Inability to use all armaments at once, due to 40 mm Bofors being located on the aft end of the ship
* Lengthy reload time for the 20 mm Oerlikons can be detrimental in the middle of a fight
* The 81mm Mk 2 mortar is, considered "anti-aircraft armament" this makes combat quite difficult as the AI gunners aren't particually good at aiming with any of the weapons so the player must decide whether they prefer rate of fire (20mm), consistant damage output (40mm) or pure damage (81mm). This leads to complicated engagements as the Nasty's firepower will often be split up and focus on different targets instead of a single one. However, this can be mitigated by assigning the same target(s) to the 3 weapon groups.

== History ==


The '''Nasty-class''' of patrol boats was originally the work of a private venture in Norway as an attempt to build the best possible patrol craft featuring all of the best attributes of those from World War II. The first prototype was built in 1957 for the Royal Norwegian Navy and tests were shown to be successful.<ref name="PTFNasty1" /> The Nasty used a sleek wooden hull combined with two Napier Deltic engines, each providing 3,100 HP, for a speed of over 74 km/h (40 knots). It was designed to accommodate a range of weaponry for any role.

With the escalation of the war in Vietnam, the United States saw a need for new patrol boats as nearly all of the ones from World War II had been scrapped or were unusable. Several countries made contracts with the Westermoen shipyard in Norway to construct Nasty-class patrol boats and the United States purchased 14 of them which were delivered in 1964. An agreement was also made for six to be built under license at a shipyard in Annapolis, with those being delivered in 1967.<ref name="PTFNasty2" /> These were all put into service as they were acquired, being employed in South Vietnam and designated Fast Patrol Craft (PTF). A few of the Nasty-class boats (PTF-7 included) were used to train South Vietnamese Navy crews and given to them for a period of four years but were all returned to American service in 1970. During the war, the Nasty PTFs were used for shore bombardment and secret mission by special forces units along the coast. Out of the 20 total built, 6 were lost in action. After the end of the war, the Nasty boats were used sparingly, as the maintenance costs were high and they were all eventually decommissioned by the end of the 1970s with many were scrapped. A small few likely remain in existence, although many are merely hulks which have been stripped of all equipment and are in poor condition.

== Media ==
''An excellent addition to the article will be video guides, as well as screenshots from the game and photos.''

== See also ==


* {{Specs-Link|uk_70ft_mgb}}: The MGB-61 has a somewhat similar arrangement of weapons, with a 40 mm Rolls Royce semi-automatic cannon on the rear along with two twin 12.7 mm machine guns
* {{Specs-Link|jp_karotei_type2}}: The Type 4 Model 2 also has a similar offensive suite, with a quick firing 37 mm cannon and a 20 mm autocannon

== External links ==


* [[Wikipedia:United_States_Nasty-class_patrol_boat|[Wikipedia] United States Nasty-class patrol boat]]
* [http://www.ptfnasty.com/index.htm [PTFNasty.com<nowiki>]</nowiki> The "Nasty Class" Fighting Boats]
* [http://www.ptfnasty.com/gallery/galPtf7.htm [PTFNasty.com<nowiki>]</nowiki> Gallery of PTF-7]

== References ==
<references>
<ref name="PTFNasty1">Dan Withers, "History," The "Nasty Class" Fighting Boats, Last Modified June 1, 2013, http://www.ptfnasty.com/ptfHistory.html.</ref>
<ref name="PTFNasty2">''Ibid.''</ref>
</references>

{{USA boats}}

B17B

2020-04-04T01:16:51Z

U44610438: /* Offensive armament */

{{Specs-Card|code=saab_b17b}}
{{About
| about = Swedish bomber '''{{PAGENAME}}'''
| usage = other version
| link = B17A
}}
== Description ==

[[File:GarageImage_{{PAGENAME}}.jpg|420px|thumb|left]]
{{break}}
The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a rank {{Specs|rank}} Swedish fighter {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update 1.95 "Northern Wind"]].

In the late 1930s, the Swedish Air Force was looking to replace their ageing Fokker S 6 biplane reconnaissance aircraft with a newer aircraft. Work began by Armstrong Siddeley Jaguar and was designated as the L 10, however in 1939 after merging with Saab, the designation was changed to Saab 17. Updated requirements required the reinforcing of the wings to be able to utilise the aircraft as a dive bomber though further modifications were necessary to ensure clearance of bombs mounted on the underside of the fuselage so they would clear the propeller arc when dropped during a dive.

Though only serving for a few short years with the Swedish Air Force due to the advent of turbojet aircraft, the {{PAGENAME}} continued to serve with other countries for another 20 years. In War Thunder, this bomber featuring a Swedish license-built Pratt & Whitney Twin Wasp engine can hustle to its target (though not faster than many fighters it will face), but diving towards the ground and making a b-line for the target will ensure you get there as fast as possible. Sometimes making a bit of a wide arc along the sides of the map will ensure fighters will ignore you until they start seeing you blow up a bunch of ground targets and become a threat to their side winning.

It often happens in the early rank matches of the game where the smaller bombers such as the {{PAGENAME}} can decisively win the match by taking out all of the ground targets. Some pilots become known for effectively eliminating ground targets with their light bombers in so much that at the beginning of the match and after every respawn, they are immediately targeted for elimination to prevent the match from quickly ending in the enemies favour.

== General info ==
=== Flight performance ===


The {{PAGENAME}} is relatively manoeuvrable aircraft for a light bomber, especially when loaded down with ordnance. Though it will not turn fight very well, it will not be as stiff as some find medium and heavy bombers to be. Through the use of flaps and extension of landing gear to act as a speed brake, pilots will find that the {{PAGENAME}} can be effectively used to bomb columns of vehicles or other targets of choice found on the map.

If pressed into an air-to-air battle or if an air target of opportunity presents itself, the {{PAGENAME}} can be effective in either damaging or disabling the enemy aircraft. If the situation becomes dire and the {{PAGENAME}} is still holding onto its suspended ordnance, it might be best to go ahead and drop them to allow for more manoeuvrability and increased chances of survival.

When using smaller bomb types, it is best to use this aircraft as a low-altitude bomber as trying to use it at mid or high altitude, the AI vehicles will tend to be able to easily avoid the bombs. Also, the smaller bombs tend to do piddly damage against bases, but when working with other bombers every little bit helps.

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="8" | Characteristics
|-
! colspan="8" | ''Stock''
|-
! colspan="2" | Max Speed (km/h at ?,??? m)
! rowspan="2" | Max altitude (meters)
! colspan="2" | Turn time (seconds)
! colspan="2" | Rate of climb (meters/second)
! rowspan="2" | Take-off run (meters)
|-
! AB
! RB
! AB
! RB
! AB
! RB
|-
| ??? || ??? || {{Specs|ceiling}} || ??.? || ??.? || ?.? || ?.? || ???
|-
! colspan="8" | ''Upgraded''
|-
! colspan="2" | Max Speed (km/h at ?,??? m)
! rowspan="2" | Max altitude (meters)
! colspan="2" | Turn time (seconds)
! colspan="2" | Rate of climb (meters/second)
! rowspan="2" | Take-off run (meters)
|-
! AB
! RB
! AB
! RB
! AB
! RB
|-
|420||395|| {{Specs|ceiling}} ||18.9||20.0||8.5||6.0||450
|-
|}

==== Details ====
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="5" | Features
|-
! Combat flaps
! Take-off flaps
! Landing flaps
! Air brakes
! Arrestor gear
|-
| X || X || X || X || X 
|-
|}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="5" | Limits
|-
! rowspan="2" | Wing-break speed (km/h)
! rowspan="2" | Gear limit (km/h)
! rowspan="2" | Combat flaps (km/h)
! colspan="2" | Max Static G
|-
! +
! -
|-
| {{Specs|destruction|constructions}} || {{Specs|destruction|chassis}} || ??? || ~?? || ~??
|-
|}
[[File:B17 Armour Plates.png|450px|thumb|right|Protective components found in the '''{{PAGENAME}}'''.]]
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="4" | Optimal velocities
|-
! Ailerons (km/h)
! Rudder (km/h)
! Elevators (km/h)
! Radiator (km/h)
|-
| < ??? || < ??? || < ??? || > ???
|-
|}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="3" | Compressor (RB/SB)
|-
! colspan="3" | Setting 1
|-
! Optimal altitude
! 100% Engine power
! WEP Engine power
|-
| ?,??? m || ??? hp || N/A
|-
|}

=== Survivability and armour ===


* 10 mm steel - Pilot's seatback
* 10 mm steel - Gunner rear protective plate

== Armaments ==
=== Offensive armament ===

{{main|Ksp m/22 Fh (8 mm)|Ksp m/22 Fv (8 mm)}}

The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' is armed with:

* 1 x 8mm Ksp m/22 Fh machine gun (500 RPG)
* 1 x 8mm Ksp m/22 Fv machine gun (500 RPG)

The Swedish Air Force chose to outfit the {{PAGENAME}} with license-built copies of the Browning M1919 machine gun, however originally was calibrated for 6.5 mm however this round was found to be less effective against fabric-covered aircraft and so the gun was recalibrated up to 8 mm. The Swedish variant is listed as the Ksp m/22 machine gun of which two were mounted on this bomber with a gun in each wing. To be of really any use to the pilot either in aerial combat (if forced into it) or during ground attack, convergence must be set preferably in a range of 250 m - 400 m for best results especially with ground attack as this will allow firing capability on ground targets with ample room to manoeuvre without fear of crashing into the ground.

=== Suspended armament ===

{{main|m/40 (120 kg)|m/42 (50 kg)}}

The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' can be outfitted with the following suspended ordnance:

* 9 x m/42 50 kg bombs (450 kg total)
* 1 x 120 kg m/40 bomb (120 kg total)
* 1 x 120 kg m/40 bomb + 4 x 50 kg m/42 bomb (320 kg total)

While the initial payload option consisting of nine 50 kg bombs might feel a little on the weak side compared to a might 500 kg bomb, fear not as other nation aircraft such as the comparable Sukhoi [[Su-2 (Family)|Su-2]] or the massive Farman [[F.222.2]] and it's 52 x 50 kg bombs can completely devastate columns of vehicles on early maps. These light trucks and anti-aircraft artillery are easily dispatched with the 50 kg bombs and can easily reward the bomber pilot with the [[Awards|awards]] "Antimech", "Heavy Metal Fury" or "Thunderer" to name a few.

Larger payload options should be reserved for targets which tend to be the tougher nut to crack such as pillboxes or medium and heavy tanks. Base bombing should be avoided unless flying in arcade battles without the threat of enemy fighters, but at the rate of 320 kg or 450 kg at a time, it will take a while to eliminate a base unless you are working with others.

=== Defensive armament ===

{{main|Ksp m/22-37 R (8 mm)}}

The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' is outfitted with the following defensive weapon:

* 1 x 8 mm Ksp m/22-37 R machine gun (300 RPG)

This single pivotable 8 mm machine gun is mostly a last resort defence weapon. With the limited range of motion and its blind spot directly to the rear (vertical stabilizer blind spot), the pilot will need to "wag" the tail of the aircraft to ensure the gunner can engage any trailing fighters. The entire bottom of the bomber is unprotected and largely from above and the sides too.

== Usage in battles ==


The {{PAGENAME}} is used effectively as a low-altitude bomber, however, it can also be used to an extent as an attacker too.

;Bomber

Several different configurations of bombs area available for the {{PAGENAME}} depending on the targets available on any given map. The smaller 50 kg bombs tend to be used best on low-altitude quick strikes against columns of vehicles driving down a roadway. Low-altitude works best here as the vehicles do not have as much time to scatter and avoid incoming bombs. The 50 kg bombs do not have a huge shrapnel radius, so the less time the vehicles have to scatter the more likely they will be destroyed by direct explosion or the shrapnel wave which follows.

The larger 250 kg and 500 kg bombs are not as effective against mobile vehicle targets unless they clustered relatively close together where the splash damage from the bombs will take out multiple targets at a time. Targets which are more heavily protected such as pillboxes, medium and heavy tanks are also good options for the heavier bombs. Though these bombs will put a small dent in the larger bases, those should be left to medium or heavy bombers which can carry multiple 500 kg+ bombs, however, if bombers are grouping up on a base, do not hesitate to lend a hand if you are close enough to toss in a few bombs.

;Ground/Fleet attacker

Typically this bomber will be found at a lower altitude and after dropping bombs (and either waiting for the reload timer or heading back to base), there are typically targets of opportunity which the 8 mm machine guns can inflict damage or destroy. Due to the limited machine guns on the aircraft, it may be necessary to make a second pass. The manoeuvrability of this aircraft is sufficient enough to quickly turn around and make another pass. Dwelling in one target environment for long is never a good option as you will draw the attention of fighters so be on the move and keep the speed of the aircraft at a good clip to ensure potential energy is there when you need it.

=== Manual Engine Control ===
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="7" | MEC elements
|-
! rowspan="2" | Mixer
! rowspan="2" | Pitch
! colspan="3" | Radiator
! rowspan="2" | Supercharger
! rowspan="2" | Turbocharger
|-
! Oil
! Water
! Type
|-
| Not controllable || rowspan="2" | Not controllable Not auto controlled || rowspan="2" | Not controllable Auto control available || rowspan="2" | Not controllable Auto control available || rowspan="2" | Separate || rowspan="2" | Not controllable 1 gear || rowspan="2" | Not controllable
|-
|}

=== Modules ===
{| class="wikitable"
! colspan="1" | Tier
! colspan="2" | Flight performance
! colspan="1" | Survivability
! colspan="3" | Weaponry
|-
| I
| Fuselage repair
| Radiator
|
| Offensive 8 mm
|
|
|-
| II
|
| Compressor
| Airframe
|
| Turret 8 mm
| m/40
|-
| III
| Wings repair
| Engine
|
| New 8 mm MGs
|
|
|-
| IV
|
| Engine injection
| Cover
|
| New 8 mm MGs (turret)
|
|-
|}

=== Pros and cons ===


'''Pros:'''

* Very good bomb load (rivals Sukhoi [[Su-2 (Family)|Su-2]] light bombers)
* Extended landing gear can act as a "poor-man's" airbrake
* Very manoeuvrable low to the ground, can easily out turn most heavy fighters
* For an aircraft at its BR, it has a decent amount of armour

'''Cons:'''

* Weak frontal and rear dorsal armament consisting of two and one 8mm machine gun(s) respectively.
* Rear dorsal machine gun has a limited range of motion, vertical stabilizer causes firing blindspot directly to the rear of the aircraft
* Limited dive-bombing capabilities due to a lack of air brakes (shallow dive only)
* It, despite having an internal bomb bay, can't equip a loadout which solely uses said bomb bay.

== History ==


Late in the 1930s, aircraft manufacture Armstrong Siddeley Jaguar began developing the L 10, a reconnaissance aircraft in response to requirements set forth by the Swedish Air Force. The hopes were to replace the ageing biplane force of Fokker S 6s. Partway through the initial development of the aircraft, ASJA merged with SAAB and as such, the designation of the aircraft changed to SAAB 17. In addition to the reconnaissance portion of the aircraft’s capabilities, the wings were strengthened in order to be able to withstand higher forces imposed when utilising this aircraft as a dive bomber. Though outfitted with a centreline hardpoint to mount bombs, problems during dive-bombing would have occurred because released bombs would impact with the propeller. To avoid this and clear the propeller arc, a rigging system was built to ensure the bomb was thrown clear of the propeller arc in the event of dive-bombing.

The B17 saw limited usage with the Swedish Air Force, however, forty-six were sold to Ethiopia where they remained in active service all the way through 1968. Finland acquired two aircraft, however, they were utilised as target-tugs and quickly were destroyed during accidents. With the unique landing gear configuration, several were modified for usage with skis or floats for alternate landing locations, though the majority were outfitted with the unique covered landing gear.

== Media ==
''Excellent additions to the article would be video guides, screenshots from the game, and photos.''

== See also ==


;Related development

* SAAB [[B17A]]

;Aircraft of comparable role, configuration and era

* Aichi [[D3A1|D3A]]
* Douglas [[SBD-3|SBD]] Dauntless
* Ilyushin [[IL-2 (Family)|Il-2]]
* Junkers [[Ju 87 (Family)|Ju 87]]
* Sukhoi [[Su-2 (Family)|Su-2]]

== External links ==


* [https://warthunder.com/en/news/6495-development-b17a-saab-s-first-en [Development<nowiki>]</nowiki> B17A: SAAB's first]

{{AirManufacturer Saab}}
{{Template:Sweden_bombers}}

[[Category:Sweden aircraft]]

B17B

2020-04-04T01:14:15Z

U44610438: /* Pros and cons */

{{Specs-Card|code=saab_b17b}}
{{About
| about = Swedish bomber '''{{PAGENAME}}'''
| usage = other version
| link = B17A
}}
== Description ==

[[File:GarageImage_{{PAGENAME}}.jpg|420px|thumb|left]]
{{break}}
The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a rank {{Specs|rank}} Swedish fighter {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update 1.95 "Northern Wind"]].

In the late 1930s, the Swedish Air Force was looking to replace their ageing Fokker S 6 biplane reconnaissance aircraft with a newer aircraft. Work began by Armstrong Siddeley Jaguar and was designated as the L 10, however in 1939 after merging with Saab, the designation was changed to Saab 17. Updated requirements required the reinforcing of the wings to be able to utilise the aircraft as a dive bomber though further modifications were necessary to ensure clearance of bombs mounted on the underside of the fuselage so they would clear the propeller arc when dropped during a dive.

Though only serving for a few short years with the Swedish Air Force due to the advent of turbojet aircraft, the {{PAGENAME}} continued to serve with other countries for another 20 years. In War Thunder, this bomber featuring a Swedish license-built Pratt & Whitney Twin Wasp engine can hustle to its target (though not faster than many fighters it will face), but diving towards the ground and making a b-line for the target will ensure you get there as fast as possible. Sometimes making a bit of a wide arc along the sides of the map will ensure fighters will ignore you until they start seeing you blow up a bunch of ground targets and become a threat to their side winning.

It often happens in the early rank matches of the game where the smaller bombers such as the {{PAGENAME}} can decisively win the match by taking out all of the ground targets. Some pilots become known for effectively eliminating ground targets with their light bombers in so much that at the beginning of the match and after every respawn, they are immediately targeted for elimination to prevent the match from quickly ending in the enemies favour.

== General info ==
=== Flight performance ===


The {{PAGENAME}} is relatively manoeuvrable aircraft for a light bomber, especially when loaded down with ordnance. Though it will not turn fight very well, it will not be as stiff as some find medium and heavy bombers to be. Through the use of flaps and extension of landing gear to act as a speed brake, pilots will find that the {{PAGENAME}} can be effectively used to bomb columns of vehicles or other targets of choice found on the map.

If pressed into an air-to-air battle or if an air target of opportunity presents itself, the {{PAGENAME}} can be effective in either damaging or disabling the enemy aircraft. If the situation becomes dire and the {{PAGENAME}} is still holding onto its suspended ordnance, it might be best to go ahead and drop them to allow for more manoeuvrability and increased chances of survival.

When using smaller bomb types, it is best to use this aircraft as a low-altitude bomber as trying to use it at mid or high altitude, the AI vehicles will tend to be able to easily avoid the bombs. Also, the smaller bombs tend to do piddly damage against bases, but when working with other bombers every little bit helps.

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="8" | Characteristics
|-
! colspan="8" | ''Stock''
|-
! colspan="2" | Max Speed (km/h at ?,??? m)
! rowspan="2" | Max altitude (meters)
! colspan="2" | Turn time (seconds)
! colspan="2" | Rate of climb (meters/second)
! rowspan="2" | Take-off run (meters)
|-
! AB
! RB
! AB
! RB
! AB
! RB
|-
| ??? || ??? || {{Specs|ceiling}} || ??.? || ??.? || ?.? || ?.? || ???
|-
! colspan="8" | ''Upgraded''
|-
! colspan="2" | Max Speed (km/h at ?,??? m)
! rowspan="2" | Max altitude (meters)
! colspan="2" | Turn time (seconds)
! colspan="2" | Rate of climb (meters/second)
! rowspan="2" | Take-off run (meters)
|-
! AB
! RB
! AB
! RB
! AB
! RB
|-
|420||395|| {{Specs|ceiling}} ||18.9||20.0||8.5||6.0||450
|-
|}

==== Details ====
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="5" | Features
|-
! Combat flaps
! Take-off flaps
! Landing flaps
! Air brakes
! Arrestor gear
|-
| X || X || X || X || X 
|-
|}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="5" | Limits
|-
! rowspan="2" | Wing-break speed (km/h)
! rowspan="2" | Gear limit (km/h)
! rowspan="2" | Combat flaps (km/h)
! colspan="2" | Max Static G
|-
! +
! -
|-
| {{Specs|destruction|constructions}} || {{Specs|destruction|chassis}} || ??? || ~?? || ~??
|-
|}
[[File:B17 Armour Plates.png|450px|thumb|right|Protective components found in the '''{{PAGENAME}}'''.]]
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="4" | Optimal velocities
|-
! Ailerons (km/h)
! Rudder (km/h)
! Elevators (km/h)
! Radiator (km/h)
|-
| < ??? || < ??? || < ??? || > ???
|-
|}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="3" | Compressor (RB/SB)
|-
! colspan="3" | Setting 1
|-
! Optimal altitude
! 100% Engine power
! WEP Engine power
|-
| ?,??? m || ??? hp || N/A
|-
|}

=== Survivability and armour ===


* 10 mm steel - Pilot's seatback
* 10 mm steel - Gunner rear protective plate

== Armaments ==
=== Offensive armament ===

{{main|Ksp m/22 Fh (8 mm)|Ksp m/22 Fv (8 mm)}}

The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' is armed with:

* 1 x Ksp m/22 Fh machine gun (500 RPG)
* 1 x Ksp m/22 Fv machine gun (500 RPG)

The Swedish Air Force chose to outfit the {{PAGENAME}} with license-built copies of the Browning M1919 machine gun, however originally was calibrated for 6.5 mm however this round was found to be less effective against fabric-covered aircraft and so the gun was recalibrated up to 8 mm. The Swedish variant is listed as the Ksp m/22 machine gun of which two were mounted on this bomber with a gun in each wing. To be of really any use to the pilot either in aerial combat (if forced into it) or during ground attack, convergence must be set preferably in a range of 250 m - 400 m for best results especially with ground attack as this will allow firing capability on ground targets with ample room to manoeuvre without fear of crashing into the ground.

=== Suspended armament ===

{{main|m/40 (120 kg)|m/42 (50 kg)}}

The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' can be outfitted with the following suspended ordnance:

* 9 x m/42 50 kg bombs (450 kg total)
* 1 x 120 kg m/40 bomb (120 kg total)
* 1 x 120 kg m/40 bomb + 4 x 50 kg m/42 bomb (320 kg total)

While the initial payload option consisting of nine 50 kg bombs might feel a little on the weak side compared to a might 500 kg bomb, fear not as other nation aircraft such as the comparable Sukhoi [[Su-2 (Family)|Su-2]] or the massive Farman [[F.222.2]] and it's 52 x 50 kg bombs can completely devastate columns of vehicles on early maps. These light trucks and anti-aircraft artillery are easily dispatched with the 50 kg bombs and can easily reward the bomber pilot with the [[Awards|awards]] "Antimech", "Heavy Metal Fury" or "Thunderer" to name a few.

Larger payload options should be reserved for targets which tend to be the tougher nut to crack such as pillboxes or medium and heavy tanks. Base bombing should be avoided unless flying in arcade battles without the threat of enemy fighters, but at the rate of 320 kg or 450 kg at a time, it will take a while to eliminate a base unless you are working with others.

=== Defensive armament ===

{{main|Ksp m/22-37 R (8 mm)}}

The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' is outfitted with the following defensive weapon:

* 1 x 8 mm Ksp m/22-37 R machine gun (300 RPG)

This single pivotable 8 mm machine gun is mostly a last resort defence weapon. With the limited range of motion and its blind spot directly to the rear (vertical stabilizer blind spot), the pilot will need to "wag" the tail of the aircraft to ensure the gunner can engage any trailing fighters. The entire bottom of the bomber is unprotected and largely from above and the sides too.

== Usage in battles ==


The {{PAGENAME}} is used effectively as a low-altitude bomber, however, it can also be used to an extent as an attacker too.

;Bomber

Several different configurations of bombs area available for the {{PAGENAME}} depending on the targets available on any given map. The smaller 50 kg bombs tend to be used best on low-altitude quick strikes against columns of vehicles driving down a roadway. Low-altitude works best here as the vehicles do not have as much time to scatter and avoid incoming bombs. The 50 kg bombs do not have a huge shrapnel radius, so the less time the vehicles have to scatter the more likely they will be destroyed by direct explosion or the shrapnel wave which follows.

The larger 250 kg and 500 kg bombs are not as effective against mobile vehicle targets unless they clustered relatively close together where the splash damage from the bombs will take out multiple targets at a time. Targets which are more heavily protected such as pillboxes, medium and heavy tanks are also good options for the heavier bombs. Though these bombs will put a small dent in the larger bases, those should be left to medium or heavy bombers which can carry multiple 500 kg+ bombs, however, if bombers are grouping up on a base, do not hesitate to lend a hand if you are close enough to toss in a few bombs.

;Ground/Fleet attacker

Typically this bomber will be found at a lower altitude and after dropping bombs (and either waiting for the reload timer or heading back to base), there are typically targets of opportunity which the 8 mm machine guns can inflict damage or destroy. Due to the limited machine guns on the aircraft, it may be necessary to make a second pass. The manoeuvrability of this aircraft is sufficient enough to quickly turn around and make another pass. Dwelling in one target environment for long is never a good option as you will draw the attention of fighters so be on the move and keep the speed of the aircraft at a good clip to ensure potential energy is there when you need it.

=== Manual Engine Control ===
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="7" | MEC elements
|-
! rowspan="2" | Mixer
! rowspan="2" | Pitch
! colspan="3" | Radiator
! rowspan="2" | Supercharger
! rowspan="2" | Turbocharger
|-
! Oil
! Water
! Type
|-
| Not controllable || rowspan="2" | Not controllable Not auto controlled || rowspan="2" | Not controllable Auto control available || rowspan="2" | Not controllable Auto control available || rowspan="2" | Separate || rowspan="2" | Not controllable 1 gear || rowspan="2" | Not controllable
|-
|}

=== Modules ===
{| class="wikitable"
! colspan="1" | Tier
! colspan="2" | Flight performance
! colspan="1" | Survivability
! colspan="3" | Weaponry
|-
| I
| Fuselage repair
| Radiator
|
| Offensive 8 mm
|
|
|-
| II
|
| Compressor
| Airframe
|
| Turret 8 mm
| m/40
|-
| III
| Wings repair
| Engine
|
| New 8 mm MGs
|
|
|-
| IV
|
| Engine injection
| Cover
|
| New 8 mm MGs (turret)
|
|-
|}

=== Pros and cons ===


'''Pros:'''

* Very good bomb load (rivals Sukhoi [[Su-2 (Family)|Su-2]] light bombers)
* Extended landing gear can act as a "poor-man's" airbrake
* Very manoeuvrable low to the ground, can easily out turn most heavy fighters

'''Cons:'''

* Weak frontal and rear dorsal armament consisting of two and one 8mm machine gun(s) respectively.
* Rear dorsal machine gun has a limited range of motion, vertical stabilizer causes firing blindspot directly to the rear of the aircraft
* Limited dive-bombing capabilities due to a lack of air brakes (shallow dive only)
* It, despite having an internal bomb bay, can't equip a loadout which solely uses said bomb bay.

== History ==


Late in the 1930s, aircraft manufacture Armstrong Siddeley Jaguar began developing the L 10, a reconnaissance aircraft in response to requirements set forth by the Swedish Air Force. The hopes were to replace the ageing biplane force of Fokker S 6s. Partway through the initial development of the aircraft, ASJA merged with SAAB and as such, the designation of the aircraft changed to SAAB 17. In addition to the reconnaissance portion of the aircraft’s capabilities, the wings were strengthened in order to be able to withstand higher forces imposed when utilising this aircraft as a dive bomber. Though outfitted with a centreline hardpoint to mount bombs, problems during dive-bombing would have occurred because released bombs would impact with the propeller. To avoid this and clear the propeller arc, a rigging system was built to ensure the bomb was thrown clear of the propeller arc in the event of dive-bombing.

The B17 saw limited usage with the Swedish Air Force, however, forty-six were sold to Ethiopia where they remained in active service all the way through 1968. Finland acquired two aircraft, however, they were utilised as target-tugs and quickly were destroyed during accidents. With the unique landing gear configuration, several were modified for usage with skis or floats for alternate landing locations, though the majority were outfitted with the unique covered landing gear.

== Media ==
''Excellent additions to the article would be video guides, screenshots from the game, and photos.''

== See also ==


;Related development

* SAAB [[B17A]]

;Aircraft of comparable role, configuration and era

* Aichi [[D3A1|D3A]]
* Douglas [[SBD-3|SBD]] Dauntless
* Ilyushin [[IL-2 (Family)|Il-2]]
* Junkers [[Ju 87 (Family)|Ju 87]]
* Sukhoi [[Su-2 (Family)|Su-2]]

== External links ==


* [https://warthunder.com/en/news/6495-development-b17a-saab-s-first-en [Development<nowiki>]</nowiki> B17A: SAAB's first]

{{AirManufacturer Saab}}
{{Template:Sweden_bombers}}

[[Category:Sweden aircraft]]

A13 Mk I

2020-04-04T01:07:00Z

U44610438: /* Ammo racks */

{{Specs-Card|code=uk_a_13_mk1}}
{{About
| about = British light tank '''{{PAGENAME}}'''
| usage = other uses
| link = A13 (Family)
}}

== Description ==

[[File:GarageImage_A13MkI.jpg|420px|thumb|left]]
{{break}}
The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a reserve British light tank {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced along with the initial British tree line in [[Update 1.55 "Royal Armour"]].

This tank is a good representative of later rank 2-3 British tanks: good mobility, flat and thin frontal armour, bad reverse speed and minimal post-penetration damage.

=====Driving=====
Even though the A13 has good mobility, it sometimes feels weird: it loses speed on turns, does not accelerates quite as fast as it's overpowered engine (38.19 HP/ton, stock) should provide it and hill-climbing feels hard. All of these flaws come from the gearbox, which has bad and uneven ratios, resulting in a kick when changing speed. Knowing that you should always keep an eye on the "gear" counter top-left of your screen (activate it in the options menu) since it provides you crucial information on how your tank will react to your commands. With a bit of practice, one should swiftly masters these peculiarities.

=====Shooting=====
Since the [[Ordnance QF 2-pounder (40 mm)|QF 2-pounder]] is used on most tanks of rank 1, it's important to know it well. This cannon has a major disadvantage at a distance since its projectiles lose around 20mm of penetration for every 500 m they travels. As if this was not enough, it has poor accuracy. Even with the ''adjustment of fire'' modification, one should target large components (crew, engine, transmission) or, as distance increases (500 m or more), the general centre of the foe. Firing it, you will easily notice it's last but not least flaw: it does almost no post-penetration damage, which means you will need to snipe, crew members, one by one. Combine this difficulty with a bit of distance and this task can prove difficult, sometimes leaving the enemy enough time to replenish it's crew before you finish it off.

On the other hand, this cannon has 5 major advantages: reload speed, close-quarter penetration, a primitive stabilizing system, lots of ammo and awesome gun depression. Its fast reloading speed allows you to compensate for its poor accuracy. Missed a shot? Why not take another even before you can re-position! Close quarter penetration, one of the best at its tier, is also a plus. Your enemies will only block your shot if you happen to hit a steep-angled plate of armour. The primitive stabilizer allows the tank to fire on the move as well. That being said, it works best at low speeds and on the relatively flat road through but is still much more precise than the comparable [[BT-7]] with its [[20-K (45 mm)|20-K]]. Last but not least, small shells means more shells. The A13 can bring up to 87 shells into the game, much more than you need to knock out 3-4 tanks. This allows you to try and suppress an enemy and keep it into cover by constantly firing near it (at this rank, this tactic can prove effective against new players). Finally, its good gun depression enables it to fire over hills, exposing only it's a small turret, shooting and disappearing swiftly. Proper use of these features allows this tank to compete well at it's BR.

=====Others=====
Since the addition of smoke in War Thunder, light tanks have it easier. Use your forward-launching smoke to create a wall of smoke in a strategic place. It can be used to cover your allies, when capturing a point, flanking in a street (urban environment).

== General info ==
=== Survivability and armour ===

'''Armour type:'''

* Rolled homogeneous armour
* Cast homogeneous armour (Gun mantlet)

{| class="wikitable"
|-
! Armour !! Front !! Sides !! Rear !! Roof
|-
| Hull || 14 mm ''Front plate'' 14 mm (0-62°) ''Front glacis'' 14 mm (64°) ''Lower glacis'' || 7 + 7 mm || 14 mm (0-62°) || 14 mm
|-
| Turret || 14 mm (0-15°) ''Turret front'' 14 mm (1-63°) ''Gun mantlet'' || 14 mm (21°) || 14 mm (2°) || 14 mm
|-
! Armour !! Sides !! Roof
|-
| Cupola || 14 mm || 14 mm
|-
|}
'''Notes:'''

* Suspension wheels and tracks are 15 mm thick while the torsion bars in between the side armour are 10 mm thick.

=== Mobility ===


{{tankMobility|abMinHp= 527|rbMinHp= 301}}

== Armaments ==
=== Main armament ===

{{main|Ordnance QF 2-pounder (40 mm)}}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="6" | [[Ordnance QF 2-pounder (40 mm)|40 mm OQF 2-pounder]]
|-
! colspan="3" rowspan="1" style="width:5em" |Capacity
! rowspan="1" | Vertical guidance
! rowspan="1" | Horizontal guidance
! rowspan="1" | Stabilizer
|-
| colspan="3" | 87 || -15°/+20° || ±180° || Vertical
|-
! colspan="6" | Turret rotation speed (°/s)
|-
! style="width:4em" |Mode
! style="width:4em" |Stock
! style="width:4em" |Upgraded
! style="width:4em" |Prior + Full crew
! style="width:4em" |Prior + Expert qualif.
! style="width:4em" |Prior + Ace qualif.
|-
| ''Arcade'' || 9.50 || 13.20 || _.__ || _.__ || _.__
|-
| ''Realistic'' || 9.50 || 11.20 || _.__ || _.__ || _.__
|-
! colspan="4" | Reloading rate (seconds)
|-
! colspan="1" style="width:4em" |Stock
! colspan="1" style="width:4em" |Prior + Full crew
! colspan="1" style="width:4em" |Prior + Expert qualif.
! colspan="1" style="width:4em" |Prior + Ace qualif.
|-
| 3.64 || _.__ || _.__ || _.__
|-
|}

===== Ammunition =====
{| class="wikitable sortable" style="text-align:center" width="100%"
! colspan="8" | Penetration statistics
|-
! rowspan="2" data-sort-type="text" | Ammunition
! rowspan="2" class="unsortable" | Type of warhead
! colspan="6" | '''Penetration''' '''''in mm''''' '''@ 90°'''
|-
! 10m
! 100m
! 500m
! 1000m
! 1500m
! 2000m
|-
| Shot Mk.1 AP/T || AP || 71 || 68 || 52 || 37 || 27 || 19
|-
| Shot Mk.1 APCBC/T || APCBC || 88 || 83 || 64 || 46 || 33 || 24
|-
| Shot Mk.1 APHV/T || AP || 80 || 78 || 67 || 56 || 47 || 40
|-
| Shell Mk.1 AP/T || APHE || 65 || 62 || 49 || 36 || 26 || 20
|-
|}
{| class="wikitable sortable" style="text-align:center" width="100%"
! colspan="11" | Shell details
|-
! rowspan="2" data-sort-type="text" | Ammunition
! rowspan="2" class="unsortable" | Type of warhead
! rowspan="2" |Velocity in m/s
! rowspan="2" |Projectile Mass in kg
! rowspan="2" | ''Fuse delay''
''in m:''
! rowspan="2" | ''Fuse sensitivity''
''in mm:''
! rowspan="2" | ''Explosive Mass in g (TNT equivalent):''
! rowspan="2" | ''Normalization At 30° from horizontal:''
! colspan="3" | ''Ricochet:''
|-
! 0%
! 50%
! 100%
|-
| Shot Mk.1 AP/T || AP || 792 || 1.08 || N/A || N/A || N/A || -1° || 47° || 60° || 65°
|-
| Shot Mk.1 APCBC/T || APCBC || 792 || 1.24 || N/A || N/A || N/A || +4° || 48° || 63° || 71°
|-
| Shot Mk.1 APHV/T || AP || 853 || 1.08 || N/A || N/A || N/A || -1° || 47° || 60° || 65°
|-
| Shell Mk.1 AP/T || APHE || 792 || 1.08 || 1.2 || 9 || 19 || +4° || 47° || 60° || 65°
|-
|}

===== [[Ammo racks|Ammo racks]] =====
[[File:Ammoracks_A13MkI.png|right|thumbnail|x250px|[[Ammo racks|Ammo racks]] of the A13 Mk I.]]
{| class="wikitable sortable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! class="wikitable unsortable" |Full ammo
! class="wikitable unsortable" |1st rack empty
! class="wikitable unsortable" |2nd rack empty
! class="wikitable unsortable" |3rd rack empty
! class="wikitable unsortable" |4th rack empty
! class="wikitable unsortable" |5th rack empty
! class="wikitable unsortable" |6th rack empty
! class="wikitable unsortable" |7th rack empty
! class="wikitable unsortable" |8th rack empty
! class="wikitable unsortable" |9th rack empty
! class="wikitable unsortable" |10th rack empty
! class="wikitable unsortable" |11th rack empty
! class="wikitable unsortable" |12th rack empty
! class="wikitable unsortable" |13th rack empty
! class="wikitable unsortable" |14th rack empty
! class="wikitable unsortable" |15th rack empty
! class="wikitable unsortable" |16th rack empty
! class="wikitable unsortable" |Visual discrepancy
|-
|| '''87''' || 78 ''(+9)'' || 75 ''(+12)'' || 72 ''(+15)'' || 69 ''(+18)'' || 66 ''(+21)'' || 62 ''(+25)'' || 60 ''(+27)'' || 56 ''(+31)'' || 51 ''(+36)'' || 47 ''(+40)'' || 43 ''(+44)'' || 41 ''(+46)'' || 36 ''(+51)'' || 31 ''(+56)'' || 16 ''(+71)'' || 1 ''(+86)'' || style="text-align:left" | No
|-
|}

Center hull empty: 41 ''(+46)''

===== Optics =====


{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="50%"
! colspan="3" | {{PAGENAME}} [[Optics]]
|-
! Which ones
! Default magnification
! Maximum magnification
|-
! Main Gun optics
| x1.85 || x3.5 
|-
! Comparable optics
| colspan="2;" style="text-align:center;" | [[AMR.35 ZT3]]
|-
|}

=== Machine guns ===

{{main|Vickers (7.7 mm)}}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="7" | [[Vickers (7.7 mm)|7.7 mm Vickers]]
|-
! colspan="7" | ''Coaxial mount''
|-
! colspan="4" rowspan="1" style="width:5em" |Capacity (Belt capacity)
! rowspan="1" | Fire rate (shots/minute)
! rowspan="1" | Vertical guidance
! rowspan="1" | Horizontal guidance
|-
| colspan="4" | 3,500 (250) || 390 || N/A || N/A
|-
|}

== Usage in the battles ==

This vehicle's role is that of a light tank in the truest sense, sporting an acceptable gun, great mobility and virtually no armour to speak of.

This tank has a very active play style and should not be used in the front lines. Instead, use your mobility to your advantage: Spot, flank and provide artillery support for your teammates, blind your enemies with well-placed smokes screens in key avenues. Make sure to only target secluded enemies in flanking tactics so you can take full advantage of the element of surprise and outflank your opponent. Never expose yourself for too long because even anti-aircraft guns are a potential threat to your non-angled armour. The [[Ordnance QF 2-pounder (40 mm)|QF 2-pounder]] has an awfully long range accuracy so you must get close to your enemies to actually land a shot where you expect. Load up this agile (but reluctant) cat with ammo and flank your enemies with a constant flow of bullets.

=== Pros and cons ===

'''Pros:'''

* Good gun for its rank
* Fast
* Slim target
* Has a "lock", which is a primitive form of stabilisation. This makes stopping and firing a useful tactic as the 2-pdr doesn't bounce as much as a non-stabilised gun.
* Brings lots of ammo. (87 rounds max)
* Has forward-launching smoke launchers
* Coaxial MG
* Good HP/ton ratio
* Decent turret sewing rate
* -15° gun depression
* 4 crewmen and a 3 man turret.
* Quite a fast reload, makes finishing off a target both quicker and easier.
* Very effective in its historical role, a flanker and scout.

'''Cons:'''

* Next to no armour
* Barely any response from the engine
* Loses speed when turning
* The ability to carry almost 90 rounds comes at a cost, this cost is that the ammunition is very hard to miss and thus, the A13 series suffers from frequent ammunition detonations.
* Wiggles when trying to turn on 5th gear
* Regular MGs can penetrate side armour
* The coaxial machine gun is a Vickers which, compared to other Rank I machine guns, has an incredibly slow fire rate.
* Not effective at anything other than how it was historical used. No brawling or supporting heavier vehicles.

== History ==

===Development===
The British development on their cruiser tanks, tanks that focus on mobility to exploit breakthroughs beyond enemy lines, took a turn in 1936 after General Giffard LeQuesne Martel became the Assistant Director of Mechanization at the British War Office, the head of the army in the government. Martel, an advocate of the tanks, and developer of the concept of "tankettes", witnessed a tank demonstration in 1936 that had Soviet designs. The one that attracted his attention was the [[BT-5|BT light tank]]. The BT's use of the Christie suspension had Martel argue for the usage of the same suspension in their tank designs, to which the British government complied with the purchase and licensing of the system from the Nuffield Organization.

The acquired vehicle from the purchase of the Christie suspension was labelled as the ''A13E1'' and became part of the design development under the designation ''Cruiser Mk III (A13)''. The General Staff requested for the vehicle to have 30 mm of armour, a 2-pounder gun, and a road speed of 48 km/h. The original vehicle was extensively reworked due to many interior and mechanical issues. Until the tank design was finished, the British Army adopted the ''Cruiser Mk I (A9)'' tank for use, but these tanks were delayed due to the A13's near completion. The first prototype was delivered in 1937 under the name ''A13E2'', this featured the turret from the A9 cruiser tank, with a 2-pounder and a Vickers machine gun. The armour on the prototype was 15 mm and the design could reach a top speed under a governor of 48 km/h (64 km/h ungoverned). The last and revised design was the ''A13E3'' that became adopted by the British Army and ordered into production in 1939. The General Staff specification number for the tank was the '''A13 Mk. I, Cruiser Tank Mark III'''. 65 of these tanks were ordered from the Nuffield Mechanization & Aero Limited, to which 30 were built before the War Office decided to upgrade the A13 Mk.I with more armour than the '' [[A13 Mk II|A13 Mk.II, Cruiser Tank Mk IV]]''. Some of the A13 Mk.I Cruiser Mk III was also converted into Mk IV to stay modernized.

===Combat usage===
The A13 first saw combat in the Battle of France under the British Expeditionary Force in 1940. The A13 encountered many troubles during its employment, the crew having little to no training with the new tanks due to their rushed adoption into service. The tanks were in poor condition and some were even missing parts. The A13s were used in the 1st Armoured Division, but many were either destroyed by the superior German armoured forces or abandoned at Calais during the evacuation of Allied troops at Dunkirk, which forced the units to leave behind their heavier equipment.

After the disaster at France, the A13 were still used to support the war. Some were sent to Greece to support their defence against Germany in the Battle of Greece, but a majority were sent to North Africa as part of the Western Desert Campaign near Libya under the 7th Armoured Division. Compared to the time in France, the A13s in North Africa fared much better, ironing out most of its initial defects, and was even more suited to the environment than other tank designs. The A13 was popular with the crew for its high speed, reliability, and a powerful 2-pounder cannon that could engage a majority of Axis tanks in 1941. However, there was an insufficient number of A13s available for use, so tank units were mixed with the faster cruiser tanks and slower infantry tanks, which caused tactical and logistical difficulties trying to accommodate all of the tanks. Another deficiency with the tank and every other British tank with the 2-pounder was the lack of high-explosive shell issued to the tankers, which made them vulnerable to anti-tank guns, which caused a majority of British tank losses in the North African Campaign. Still, the A13 fared very well with its armour and armament until late 1941 where better armoured [[Pz.III L|Panzer IIIs]] and [[Pz.IV G|Panzer IVs]] began to appear on the battlefield.

Due to its growing obsolescence on the battlefield, the A13 was replaced in 1941 by the better armoured [[Crusader Mk II|A15 Crusader tank]].

== Media ==
{{Youtube-gallery|mjacUnmi2iY|Bovington Tank Museum Tank Chats: A13 Cruiser}}

== Read also ==
''Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example,''

* ''reference to the series of the vehicles;''
* ''links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.''

''ETC.''

== Sources ==
''Paste links to sources and external resources, such as:''

* ''topic on the official game forum;''
* ''other literature.''

{{Britain light tanks}}

A13 Mk I

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{{Specs-Card|code=uk_a_13_mk1}}
{{About
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}}

== Description ==

[[File:GarageImage_A13MkI.jpg|420px|thumb|left]]
{{break}}
The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a reserve British light tank {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced along with the initial British tree line in [[Update 1.55 "Royal Armour"]].

This tank is a good representative of later rank 2-3 British tanks: good mobility, flat and thin frontal armour, bad reverse speed and minimal post-penetration damage.

=====Driving=====
Even though the A13 has good mobility, it sometimes feels weird: it loses speed on turns, does not accelerates quite as fast as it's overpowered engine (38.19 HP/ton, stock) should provide it and hill-climbing feels hard. All of these flaws come from the gearbox, which has bad and uneven ratios, resulting in a kick when changing speed. Knowing that you should always keep an eye on the "gear" counter top-left of your screen (activate it in the options menu) since it provides you crucial information on how your tank will react to your commands. With a bit of practice, one should swiftly masters these peculiarities.

=====Shooting=====
Since the [[Ordnance QF 2-pounder (40 mm)|QF 2-pounder]] is used on most tanks of rank 1, it's important to know it well. This cannon has a major disadvantage at a distance since its projectiles lose around 20mm of penetration for every 500 m they travels. As if this was not enough, it has poor accuracy. Even with the ''adjustment of fire'' modification, one should target large components (crew, engine, transmission) or, as distance increases (500 m or more), the general centre of the foe. Firing it, you will easily notice it's last but not least flaw: it does almost no post-penetration damage, which means you will need to snipe, crew members, one by one. Combine this difficulty with a bit of distance and this task can prove difficult, sometimes leaving the enemy enough time to replenish it's crew before you finish it off.

On the other hand, this cannon has 5 major advantages: reload speed, close-quarter penetration, a primitive stabilizing system, lots of ammo and awesome gun depression. Its fast reloading speed allows you to compensate for its poor accuracy. Missed a shot? Why not take another even before you can re-position! Close quarter penetration, one of the best at its tier, is also a plus. Your enemies will only block your shot if you happen to hit a steep-angled plate of armour. The primitive stabilizer allows the tank to fire on the move as well. That being said, it works best at low speeds and on the relatively flat road through but is still much more precise than the comparable [[BT-7]] with its [[20-K (45 mm)|20-K]]. Last but not least, small shells means more shells. The A13 can bring up to 87 shells into the game, much more than you need to knock out 3-4 tanks. This allows you to try and suppress an enemy and keep it into cover by constantly firing near it (at this rank, this tactic can prove effective against new players). Finally, its good gun depression enables it to fire over hills, exposing only it's a small turret, shooting and disappearing swiftly. Proper use of these features allows this tank to compete well at it's BR.

=====Others=====
Since the addition of smoke in War Thunder, light tanks have it easier. Use your forward-launching smoke to create a wall of smoke in a strategic place. It can be used to cover your allies, when capturing a point, flanking in a street (urban environment).

== General info ==
=== Survivability and armour ===

'''Armour type:'''

* Rolled homogeneous armour
* Cast homogeneous armour (Gun mantlet)

{| class="wikitable"
|-
! Armour !! Front !! Sides !! Rear !! Roof
|-
| Hull || 14 mm ''Front plate'' 14 mm (0-62°) ''Front glacis'' 14 mm (64°) ''Lower glacis'' || 7 + 7 mm || 14 mm (0-62°) || 14 mm
|-
| Turret || 14 mm (0-15°) ''Turret front'' 14 mm (1-63°) ''Gun mantlet'' || 14 mm (21°) || 14 mm (2°) || 14 mm
|-
! Armour !! Sides !! Roof
|-
| Cupola || 14 mm || 14 mm
|-
|}
'''Notes:'''

* Suspension wheels and tracks are 15 mm thick while the torsion bars in between the side armour are 10 mm thick.

=== Mobility ===


{{tankMobility|abMinHp= 527|rbMinHp= 301}}

== Armaments ==
=== Main armament ===

{{main|Ordnance QF 2-pounder (40 mm)}}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="6" | [[Ordnance QF 2-pounder (40 mm)|40 mm OQF 2-pounder]]
|-
! colspan="3" rowspan="1" style="width:5em" |Capacity
! rowspan="1" | Vertical guidance
! rowspan="1" | Horizontal guidance
! rowspan="1" | Stabilizer
|-
| colspan="3" | 87 || -15°/+20° || ±180° || Vertical
|-
! colspan="6" | Turret rotation speed (°/s)
|-
! style="width:4em" |Mode
! style="width:4em" |Stock
! style="width:4em" |Upgraded
! style="width:4em" |Prior + Full crew
! style="width:4em" |Prior + Expert qualif.
! style="width:4em" |Prior + Ace qualif.
|-
| ''Arcade'' || 9.50 || 13.20 || _.__ || _.__ || _.__
|-
| ''Realistic'' || 9.50 || 11.20 || _.__ || _.__ || _.__
|-
! colspan="4" | Reloading rate (seconds)
|-
! colspan="1" style="width:4em" |Stock
! colspan="1" style="width:4em" |Prior + Full crew
! colspan="1" style="width:4em" |Prior + Expert qualif.
! colspan="1" style="width:4em" |Prior + Ace qualif.
|-
| 3.64 || _.__ || _.__ || _.__
|-
|}

===== Ammunition =====
{| class="wikitable sortable" style="text-align:center" width="100%"
! colspan="8" | Penetration statistics
|-
! rowspan="2" data-sort-type="text" | Ammunition
! rowspan="2" class="unsortable" | Type of warhead
! colspan="6" | '''Penetration''' '''''in mm''''' '''@ 90°'''
|-
! 10m
! 100m
! 500m
! 1000m
! 1500m
! 2000m
|-
| Shot Mk.1 AP/T || AP || 71 || 68 || 52 || 37 || 27 || 19
|-
| Shot Mk.1 APCBC/T || APCBC || 88 || 83 || 64 || 46 || 33 || 24
|-
| Shot Mk.1 APHV/T || AP || 80 || 78 || 67 || 56 || 47 || 40
|-
| Shell Mk.1 AP/T || APHE || 65 || 62 || 49 || 36 || 26 || 20
|-
|}
{| class="wikitable sortable" style="text-align:center" width="100%"
! colspan="11" | Shell details
|-
! rowspan="2" data-sort-type="text" | Ammunition
! rowspan="2" class="unsortable" | Type of warhead
! rowspan="2" |Velocity in m/s
! rowspan="2" |Projectile Mass in kg
! rowspan="2" | ''Fuse delay''
''in m:''
! rowspan="2" | ''Fuse sensitivity''
''in mm:''
! rowspan="2" | ''Explosive Mass in g (TNT equivalent):''
! rowspan="2" | ''Normalization At 30° from horizontal:''
! colspan="3" | ''Ricochet:''
|-
! 0%
! 50%
! 100%
|-
| Shot Mk.1 AP/T || AP || 792 || 1.08 || N/A || N/A || N/A || -1° || 47° || 60° || 65°
|-
| Shot Mk.1 APCBC/T || APCBC || 792 || 1.24 || N/A || N/A || N/A || +4° || 48° || 63° || 71°
|-
| Shot Mk.1 APHV/T || AP || 853 || 1.08 || N/A || N/A || N/A || -1° || 47° || 60° || 65°
|-
| Shell Mk.1 AP/T || APHE || 792 || 1.08 || 1.2 || 9 || 19 || +4° || 47° || 60° || 65°
|-
|}

===== [[Ammo racks|Ammo racks]] =====
'''Last updated: 1.77.2.128'''
[[File:Ammoracks_A13MkI.png|right|thumbnail|x250px|[[Ammo racks|Ammo racks]] of the A13 Mk I.]]
{| class="wikitable sortable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! class="wikitable unsortable" |Full ammo
! class="wikitable unsortable" |1st rack empty
! class="wikitable unsortable" |2nd rack empty
! class="wikitable unsortable" |3rd rack empty
! class="wikitable unsortable" |4th rack empty
! class="wikitable unsortable" |5th rack empty
! class="wikitable unsortable" |6th rack empty
! class="wikitable unsortable" |7th rack empty
! class="wikitable unsortable" |8th rack empty
! class="wikitable unsortable" |9th rack empty
! class="wikitable unsortable" |10th rack empty
! class="wikitable unsortable" |11th rack empty
! class="wikitable unsortable" |12th rack empty
! class="wikitable unsortable" |13th rack empty
! class="wikitable unsortable" |14th rack empty
! class="wikitable unsortable" |15th rack empty
! class="wikitable unsortable" |16th rack empty
! class="wikitable unsortable" |Visual discrepancy
|-
|| '''87''' || 78 ''(+9)'' || 75 ''(+12)'' || 72 ''(+15)'' || 69 ''(+18)'' || 66 ''(+21)'' || 62 ''(+25)'' || 60 ''(+27)'' || 56 ''(+31)'' || 51 ''(+36)'' || 47 ''(+40)'' || 43 ''(+44)'' || 41 ''(+46)'' || 36 ''(+51)'' || 31 ''(+56)'' || 16 ''(+71)'' || 1 ''(+86)'' || style="text-align:left" | No
|-
|}

Center hull empty: 41 ''(+46)''

===== Optics =====


{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="50%"
! colspan="3" | {{PAGENAME}} [[Optics]]
|-
! Which ones
! Default magnification
! Maximum magnification
|-
! Main Gun optics
| x1.85 || x3.5 
|-
! Comparable optics
| colspan="2;" style="text-align:center;" | [[AMR.35 ZT3]]
|-
|}

=== Machine guns ===

{{main|Vickers (7.7 mm)}}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="7" | [[Vickers (7.7 mm)|7.7 mm Vickers]]
|-
! colspan="7" | ''Coaxial mount''
|-
! colspan="4" rowspan="1" style="width:5em" |Capacity (Belt capacity)
! rowspan="1" | Fire rate (shots/minute)
! rowspan="1" | Vertical guidance
! rowspan="1" | Horizontal guidance
|-
| colspan="4" | 3,500 (250) || 390 || N/A || N/A
|-
|}

== Usage in the battles ==

This vehicle's role is that of a light tank in the truest sense, sporting an acceptable gun, great mobility and virtually no armour to speak of.

This tank has a very active play style and should not be used in the front lines. Instead, use your mobility to your advantage: Spot, flank and provide artillery support for your teammates, blind your enemies with well-placed smokes screens in key avenues. Make sure to only target secluded enemies in flanking tactics so you can take full advantage of the element of surprise and outflank your opponent. Never expose yourself for too long because even anti-aircraft guns are a potential threat to your non-angled armour. The [[Ordnance QF 2-pounder (40 mm)|QF 2-pounder]] has an awfully long range accuracy so you must get close to your enemies to actually land a shot where you expect. Load up this agile (but reluctant) cat with ammo and flank your enemies with a constant flow of bullets.

=== Pros and cons ===

'''Pros:'''

* Good gun for its rank
* Fast
* Slim target
* Has a "lock", which is a primitive form of stabilisation. This makes stopping and firing a useful tactic as the 2-pdr doesn't bounce as much as a non-stabilised gun.
* Brings lots of ammo. (87 rounds max)
* Has forward-launching smoke launchers
* Coaxial MG
* Good HP/ton ratio
* Decent turret sewing rate
* -15° gun depression
* 4 crewmen and a 3 man turret.
* Quite a fast reload, makes finishing off a target both quicker and easier.
* Very effective in its historical role, a flanker and scout.

'''Cons:'''

* Next to no armour
* Barely any response from the engine
* Loses speed when turning
* The ability to carry almost 90 rounds comes at a cost, this cost is that the ammunition is very hard to miss and thus, the A13 series suffers from frequent ammunition detonations.
* Wiggles when trying to turn on 5th gear
* Regular MGs can penetrate side armour
* The coaxial machine gun is a Vickers which, compared to other Rank I machine guns, has an incredibly slow fire rate.
* Not effective at anything other than how it was historical used. No brawling or supporting heavier vehicles.

== History ==

===Development===
The British development on their cruiser tanks, tanks that focus on mobility to exploit breakthroughs beyond enemy lines, took a turn in 1936 after General Giffard LeQuesne Martel became the Assistant Director of Mechanization at the British War Office, the head of the army in the government. Martel, an advocate of the tanks, and developer of the concept of "tankettes", witnessed a tank demonstration in 1936 that had Soviet designs. The one that attracted his attention was the [[BT-5|BT light tank]]. The BT's use of the Christie suspension had Martel argue for the usage of the same suspension in their tank designs, to which the British government complied with the purchase and licensing of the system from the Nuffield Organization.

The acquired vehicle from the purchase of the Christie suspension was labelled as the ''A13E1'' and became part of the design development under the designation ''Cruiser Mk III (A13)''. The General Staff requested for the vehicle to have 30 mm of armour, a 2-pounder gun, and a road speed of 48 km/h. The original vehicle was extensively reworked due to many interior and mechanical issues. Until the tank design was finished, the British Army adopted the ''Cruiser Mk I (A9)'' tank for use, but these tanks were delayed due to the A13's near completion. The first prototype was delivered in 1937 under the name ''A13E2'', this featured the turret from the A9 cruiser tank, with a 2-pounder and a Vickers machine gun. The armour on the prototype was 15 mm and the design could reach a top speed under a governor of 48 km/h (64 km/h ungoverned). The last and revised design was the ''A13E3'' that became adopted by the British Army and ordered into production in 1939. The General Staff specification number for the tank was the '''A13 Mk. I, Cruiser Tank Mark III'''. 65 of these tanks were ordered from the Nuffield Mechanization & Aero Limited, to which 30 were built before the War Office decided to upgrade the A13 Mk.I with more armour than the '' [[A13 Mk II|A13 Mk.II, Cruiser Tank Mk IV]]''. Some of the A13 Mk.I Cruiser Mk III was also converted into Mk IV to stay modernized.

===Combat usage===
The A13 first saw combat in the Battle of France under the British Expeditionary Force in 1940. The A13 encountered many troubles during its employment, the crew having little to no training with the new tanks due to their rushed adoption into service. The tanks were in poor condition and some were even missing parts. The A13s were used in the 1st Armoured Division, but many were either destroyed by the superior German armoured forces or abandoned at Calais during the evacuation of Allied troops at Dunkirk, which forced the units to leave behind their heavier equipment.

After the disaster at France, the A13 were still used to support the war. Some were sent to Greece to support their defence against Germany in the Battle of Greece, but a majority were sent to North Africa as part of the Western Desert Campaign near Libya under the 7th Armoured Division. Compared to the time in France, the A13s in North Africa fared much better, ironing out most of its initial defects, and was even more suited to the environment than other tank designs. The A13 was popular with the crew for its high speed, reliability, and a powerful 2-pounder cannon that could engage a majority of Axis tanks in 1941. However, there was an insufficient number of A13s available for use, so tank units were mixed with the faster cruiser tanks and slower infantry tanks, which caused tactical and logistical difficulties trying to accommodate all of the tanks. Another deficiency with the tank and every other British tank with the 2-pounder was the lack of high-explosive shell issued to the tankers, which made them vulnerable to anti-tank guns, which caused a majority of British tank losses in the North African Campaign. Still, the A13 fared very well with its armour and armament until late 1941 where better armoured [[Pz.III L|Panzer IIIs]] and [[Pz.IV G|Panzer IVs]] began to appear on the battlefield.

Due to its growing obsolescence on the battlefield, the A13 was replaced in 1941 by the better armoured [[Crusader Mk II|A15 Crusader tank]].

== Media ==
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Pz.III F

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{{Specs-Card|code=germ_pzkpfw_III_ausf_F}}

== Description ==

[[File:GarageImage Pz.IIIF.jpg|420px|thumb|left]]
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The '''{{Specs|name}}''' ('''Panzer III Ausf. F''') is a rank {{Specs|rank}} German medium tank {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced during the Closed Beta Test for Ground Forces before Update 1.41. Compared to the [[Pz.III E|Panzer III Ausf. E]], the Panzer III Ausf. F presents a newer [[KwK 38 (50 mm)|5 cm KwK 38]] main gun.

In the game, Ausf. F modification differs from its predeccesor - Pz.III E mostly by its new 5 cm KwK 38 L/42 gun. While it doesn't offer that much more penetration than the previous gun and has a bit longer reload, it definitely causes more damage upon successful penetration. Other than that, only the turret armour has been enhanced a bit - most of the turret front armour is now 37mm thick (was 30mm). These changes makes the tank only slightly heavier, but the effect on mobility is negligible.

== General info ==
=== Survivability and armour ===

'''Armour type:'''

*Rolled homogeneous armour
*Cast homogeneous armour (Cupola)

{| class="wikitable"
|-
! Armour !! Front (Slope angle) !! Sides !! Rear !! Roof
|-
| Hull || 30 mm (11°) ''Front plate'' 25 mm (85°), 30 mm (53°) ''Front glacis'' 30 mm (22-72°) ''Lower glacis'' || 30 mm || 10 mm (74°), 20 mm (33-70°) ''Top'' 20 mm (11-66°) ''Bottom'' || 10 mm
|-
| Turret || 30 mm (14-30°) ''Turret front'' 37 + 37 mm (5-52°)''Gun mantlet'' || 30 mm (17-26°) || 30 mm (0-23°) || 10 mm
|-
! Armour !! Sides !! Roof
|-
| Cupola || 30 mm || 10 mm
|-
|}
'''Notes:'''

* Suspension wheels are 15 mm thick while tracks are 20 mm thick.
* The barrel shroud around the main gun is 20 mm thick.
* Bustle racks on the rear hull sides give another 30 mm thick armour at their locations.
* Belly armour is 15 mm thick.

=== Mobility ===


{{tankMobility|abMinHp= 465|rbMinHp= 265|}}

== Armaments ==
=== Main armament ===

{{main|KwK 38 (50 mm)}}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="6" | [[KwK 38 (50 mm)|50 mm KwK 38]]
|-
! colspan="3" rowspan="1" style="width:5em" |Capacity
! rowspan="1" | Vertical guidance
! rowspan="1" | Horizontal guidance
! rowspan="1" | Stabilizer
|-
| colspan="3" | 99 || -10°/+20° || ±180° || N/A
|-
! colspan="6" | Turret rotation speed (°/s)
|-
! style="width:4em" |Mode
! style="width:4em" |Stock
! style="width:4em" |Upgraded
! style="width:4em" |Prior + Full crew
! style="width:4em" |Prior + Expert qualif.
! style="width:4em" |Prior + Ace qualif.
|-
| ''Arcade'' || 5.24 || 7.25 || 8.80 || 9.73 || 10.35
|-
| ''Realistic'' || 3.27 || 3.85 || 4.67 || 5.17 || 5.5
|-
! colspan="4" | Reloading rate (seconds)
|-
! colspan="1" style="width:4em" |Stock
! colspan="1" style="width:4em" |Prior + Full crew
! colspan="1" style="width:4em" |Prior + Expert qualif.
! colspan="1" style="width:4em" |Prior + Ace qualif.
|-
| 5.20 || 4.60 || 4.24 || 4.00
|-
|}

===== Ammunition =====
{| class="wikitable sortable" style="text-align:center" width="100%"
! colspan="8" | Penetration statistics
|-
! rowspan="2" data-sort-type="text" | Ammunition
! rowspan="2" class="unsortable" | Type of warhead
! colspan="6" | '''Penetration''' '''''in mm''''' '''@ 90°'''
|-
! 10m
! 100m
! 500m
! 1000m
! 1500m
! 2000m
|-
| PzGr 39 || APC ||71||69||56||44|| 34 || 26
|-
| PzGr 40/1 || APCR || 118 || 117 || 84 || 56 || 37 || 25
|-
| PzGr 40 || APCR || 132 || 130 || 94 || 63 || 42 || 28
|-
|}
{| class="wikitable sortable" style="text-align:center" width="100%"
! colspan="11" | Shell details
|-
! rowspan="2" data-sort-type="text" | Ammunition
! rowspan="2" class="unsortable" | Type of warhead
! rowspan="2" |Velocity in m/s
! rowspan="2" |Projectile Mass in kg
! rowspan="2" | ''Fuse delay''
''in m:''
! rowspan="2" | ''Fuse sensitivity''
''in mm:''
! rowspan="2" | ''Explosive Mass in g (TNT equivalent):''
! rowspan="2" | ''Normalization At 30° from horizontal:''
! colspan="3" | ''Ricochet:''
|-
! 0%
! 50%
! 100%
|-
| PzGr 39 || APC || 685 || 2.1 || 1.2 || 25 || 28.9 || +4° || 48° || 63° || 71°
|-
| PzGr 40/1 || APCR || 1005 || 1.1 || N/A || N/A || N/A || +1.5° || 66° || 70° || 72°
|-
| PzGr 40 || APCR || 1050 || 0.92 || N/A || N/A || N/A || +1.5° || 66° || 70° || 72°
|-
|}

=====Shell types=====

*'''PzGr 39''' - Armour Piercing Capped shell - This is the main ammo type, use it whenever it has enough penetration to penetrate the target. It deals the most damage, because of its explosive filler. On this tank, most of the time it is not necessary to use any other type of ammo.
*'''PzGr 40/1''' - Armour Piercing Composite Rigid shell - This type of ammo should be used if the gun is having trouble penetrating the opponent, or trying to hit a fast-moving tank at some distance. However, its damaging potential is much lower, because it has no explosive filler to further enhance damage after the penetration. It is also much lighter than Gr 39, so it loses penetration faster over distance. It is also notable that it does not ricochet so easily from highly sloped armour.
*'''PzGr 40''' - Armour Piercing Composite Rigid shell - this variation of APCR is even lighter, slightly faster and offers the best penetration. Use these against the occasional T-34 and Sherman tanks, which have highly sloped armour and are generally very resistant to the basic APC ammo. However, don't expect it to cause any real damage upon penetration, its even worse than that of PzGr 40/1. It basically only deals damage to modules/crew straight in its path. It is therefore almost useless to fire them at things like turret cupolas, as it will usually just fly right through them without causing any damage.

===== [[Ammo racks|Ammo racks]] =====
[[File:Ammoracks_Pz.IIIF.png|right|x250px|thumbnail||[[Ammo racks|Ammo racks]] of the Panzer III F.]]
{| class="wikitable sortable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! class="wikitable unsortable" |Full ammo
! class="wikitable unsortable" |1st rack empty
! class="wikitable unsortable" |2nd rack empty
! class="wikitable unsortable" |3rd rack empty
! class="wikitable unsortable" |4th rack empty
! class="wikitable unsortable" |Visual discrepancy
|-
|| '''99''' || 75 ''(+24)'' || 50 ''(+49)'' || 25 ''(+74)'' || 1 ''(+98)'' || style="text-align:left" | yes
|-
|}

Turret empty: 50 ''(+49)''

=== Machine guns ===

{{main|MG 34 (7.92 mm)}}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="7" | [[MG 34 (7.92 mm)|7.92 mm MG 34]]
|-
! colspan="7" | ''Coaxial mount''
|-
! colspan="4" rowspan="1" style="width:5em" |Capacity (Belt capacity)
! rowspan="1" | Fire rate (shots/minute)
! rowspan="1" | Vertical guidance
! rowspan="1" | Horizontal guidance
|-
| colspan="4" | 4,350 (150) || 900 || N/A || N/A
|-
|}

== Usage in the battles ==

This tank should be played as second line support or area denial vehicle, due to acceptable speed and accurate, potent gun, yet sluggish turret traverse even when fully upgraded. Avoid engagements at less than 500 meters, where the armour offers more protection against low-velocity guns and the 50 mm cannon retains its penetration well. Always try to use the terrain to the Panzer III's advantage, it has a very nice gun depression so the Panzer III will have no problem with attacking over hills and various obstacles while hiding the vulnerable hull.

At 2.0 BR, this tank does not see T-34 (1940), M4A1 (US/FR), Cromwell V, AMX-13 (FL-11), and other very potent and popular 3.3 tanks. Rather its most challenging opposition will be the 3.0 Churchill Mk I, the 2.3 B1 ter, the 3.0 3-inch Gun Carrier, and the 2.7 M3 Lee/Grant I (versions for US, UK, or RU). All will demand heavy use of APCR to deal with in frontal confrontations, and all but the M3 Lee clones demand APCR for even side shots.

=== Pros and cons ===

'''Pros:'''

* Accurate and decently powerful gun
* Great gun depression
* Very high shell velocity for both APCR rounds (over 1,000 m/s)
* Good mobility
* Armour is fairly decent. It will protect the tank against 37mm guns at range and 20mm cannon at all ranges if angled properly

'''Cons:'''

* Awful turret traverse speed due to the hand-cranked turret
* Flat armour with little slope
* Low reverse speed

== History ==

===Development===
The '''Panzerkampfwagen III''' medium tank or the '''Panzer III''' was developed in the 1930s. Starting in early 1934, Heinz Guderian set down some specifications for a new tank, which Army Weapons Department took up to design the tank to weigh no more than 24,000 kilograms with a top speed of 35 km per hour. This tank's role was to be the main tank of the German army and was expected to destroy opposing tanks, as opposed as a tank made to destroy anti-tank guns and opposing infantrymen, which the [[Pz.IV C|Panzer IV]] took up in.

Damlier-Benz, Krupp, MAN, and Rheinmetall produced prototypes meeting the specifications and the Damlier-Benz model was chosen after testing in 1936-1937. The Panzer III model used a leaf-spring suspension in its early models (Ausf. A - Ausf. D) before utilizing a six-wheeled torsion-bar suspension in the Ausf. E and beyond. The Panzer III had a crew of five people, the commander, gunner, loader, driver, and assistant driver. The best feature of the Panzer III during its introduction that is the most overlooked was the three-man turret, which was not as common at the time. This frees the commander to be able to effectively command the tank while maintaining situational awareness rather than be burdened by the role of a loader or gunner, improving the combat effectiveness of the tank. Despite this rather advanced design, the turret did not have a turret basket for the crew. It was a proven design and production began in May 1937. The total number of Panzer IIIs tanks constructed in its production life was 5,774 units (excluding [[StuG III F|StuG III]] variant).

===Specifications===
The Panzer III Ausf. A through C had 15 mm of armour on all sides with 10 mm on top and 5 mm on the bottom. This was quickly upgraded to 30 mm on front, side, and rear on the Ausf. D, E, F, and G models. The '''Panzer III Ausf. F''' featured a 50 mm KwK 38 cannon, an upgrade over the previous 37 mm KwK 36. The Panzer Ausf. F had a 300 PS Maybach HL 120 TRM engine that gave it a top speed of about 40 km/h (25 mph) with an operational range of 155 km (96 mi.).

===Combat Usage===
The Panzer III Ausf. F was first prompted by the German army concerns of their tank-killing tank being under-gunned during the French campaign, where the appearance of the French Char B1 and British [[Matilda Mk II|Matilda]] tanks proved that their current arsenal was inadequate to counter these threats. Though it was initiated during the campaign, it was over before it could be fully implemented among the armoured forces. It wasn't until Operation Barbarossa, where the appearance of the Soviet [[T-34 (1941)|T-34]] and [[KV-1 (L-11)|KV-1]] tanks forced the Germans to take up better weapons for their anti-tank inventory. The solution was the 50 mm KwK 38, which helped the Panzer III be able to destroy these Soviet tanks with APCR rounds. Even though the newer Soviet tanks may put the Panzer III out of frontline duties, it still stayed as the more common Soviet [[T-26|T-26]] and [[BT-5|BT series]] light tanks were more easily destroyed by the Panzer III.

The German army continued to upgrade their Panzer III to keep them in service as long as possible. The Panzer III Ausf. H featured another 30 mm of armour applied to the original 30 mm of armour on the hull. The next significant upgrade was to the [[Pz.III J|Panzer III Ausf. J]], which featured a solid 50 mm of frontal and rear armour plating.

=== In-game description ===
"The Pz.Kpfw. III Ausf. F variant, produced from September 1939 to July 1940, had some minor differences from the Pz.Kpfw. III Ausf. E. Armored covers were installed over the air intakes used to cool the tank's steering mechanism and brakes. Also, a modified Maybach HL 120TRM engine was installed. Special angled screens were installed in front of the base of the turret to protect its rotation mechanism from being hit by a projectile and jamming. Some electrical equipment was also added, including positional lights on its edges, two lights on its tow hitches, and a Notek headlight on its left side.

Together, the Alkett, Daimler-Benz, FAMO, MAN and Henschel companies built 435 of these tanks. The experience of the Polish campaign convinced the troops of the need for tanks with more powerful weaponry than a short-barreled 37 mm gun. Therefore, in June 1940, the first 10 Ausf. F tanks were built, equipped with 50 mm 5 cm KwK38 L/42 guns, with a reworked gun mantlet and front section of the turret.
The second round of the tank's modernization was conducted from 1942 to 1943, when the vehicles received long-barreled 5 cm KwK 39 L/60 guns.

Some variant Ausf.F tanks remained in service for quite some time. One of the last of the machines, operated by the 116th Panzer Division, was destroyed in Normandy in June 1944.
Captured Pz.Kpfw. III Ausf. F tanks were actively used by the Red Army. Test results from the Kubinka firing ground made a good impression on Soviet military leadership. The Soviet Union recognized this tank as the best foreign tank in its class, as far as mobility, crew safety, and ease of operation were concerned."

== Media ==
[https://live.warthunder.com/feed/camouflages/?q=%23Pz_iii_f '''Skins''' and '''camouflages''' for the "Panzer III Ausf. F" from live.warthunder.com.]

===Sights===

* [https://live.warthunder.com/post/675135/en/ RideR2's Realistic gunsight (TZF4a, TZF 5a/b/d/e/f/f2, TZF 9b/b1/c/d, TZF 12/a) for Pzkpfw II, Pzkpfw III, Pzkpfw IV, Pzkpfw V, Pzkpfw VI]

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