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Ariete PSO

2024-07-18T16:07:57Z

U39663486: /* Survivability and armour */ just correct the format

{{About
| about = Italian medium tank '''{{PAGENAME}}'''
| usage = other versions
| link = Ariete (Family)
}}
{{Specs-Card
|code=it_c1_ariete_pso
|images={{Specs-Card-Image|GarageImage_{{PAGENAME}}.jpg|GarageImage_{{PAGENAME}}_AddArmour.jpg}}
}}

== Description ==

The C1 Ariete was developed by OTO Melara during the late Cold War to allow the Italian army to equip itself with a modern tank which could easily deal with Yugoslav and Warsaw pact tanks. The PSO (Peace Support Operation) modification entailed additional composite armour blocks on the sides of the tank, mainly to increase crew protection against RPG fire, though they were also found to work well against low level APFSDS and standard HEAT munitions.

Introduced in [[Update 1.91 "Night Vision"]], the C1 Ariete PSO is one of the slowest variants in the C1 Ariete family of vehicles, due to addition of the add-on armour kit surrounding the sides of the hull and turret. However, this add-on armour package is able to handle most low level autocannon fire from enemies from the BMP family and at times even some APFSDS rounds. The tank can be effective when in use by a player who can work around its lacklustre mobility and relatively weak frontal protection. It can also be a great back up for your top tier lineup if you choose to bring more than 1 variant of the C1 Ariete.

== General info ==
=== Survivability and armour ===
{{Specs-Tank-Armour}}


The {{PAGENAME}}'s armour can withstand some 105 mm APFSDS shells, though the turret can resist some high ranking HEAT-FS shells as well. Though the composite side skirts does not provide much protection against kinetic shells, it does affect HEAT-FS shells in that even if one penetrates, the penetrating projectile does not travel as far into the tank and so reduces the overall damage to the tank (outside of direct hits to the ammunition racks).

A common weak point on the {{PAGENAME}} from the front is the gun mantlet, as some shots may go through the armour and damage the gun breech and/or the crew. When dealing with a shell that can penetrate, the {{PAGENAME}}'s left side (right when facing directly at the Ariete) has three ammo racks lined up with each other, and so a frontal penetration at that side of the Ariete has a high chance of detonating these rack, or a shot at the Ariete's left side.

Under normal circumstance however, the {{PAGENAME}}'s four crew members make it a relatively survivable tank to drive, as the common knock-out of the gunner and commander with a penetration through the turret will leave just two (loader and driver), allowing the {{PAGENAME}} to withdraw and continue fighting at the expense of a longer reload time.

'''Armour type:'''

* Rolled homogeneous armour (hull, turret, internal plates)
* High-hardness rolled armour (hull UFP, turret front)
* Composite armour (turret front)
* Spaced armour (hull UFP, gun mantlet, turret sides)

{| class="wikitable"
!'''Armour'''
!'''Front (Slope angle)'''
!'''Sides'''
!'''Rear'''
!'''Roof'''
|-
|Hull
|Spaced Armour ''Upper glacis''
50 mm (50°) ''Lower glacis''

35 mm (60°) ''Sponson front''
|10-20 mm ''Top''
35 mm ''Bottom''
|20 mm
|35 mm ''Crew compartment''
20 mm ''Engine compartment''

5 mm ''Exhaust radiators''
|-
|Turret
|Composite armour ''Turret front''
Spaced armour + 90 mm ''Gun mantlet''
|Spaced armour
|20 mm + 10 mm
|40 mm ''Front portion''
20 mm ''Rear portion''
|}
'''Internal armour:'''

* 20 mm - Upper hull sides
* 35 mm - Upper hull sides
* 10 mm - Between driver and hull ammo rack
* 8 mm - Between crew and engine compartments

{| class="wikitable"
!'''Composite/spaced armour'''
!'''Front'''
!'''Sides'''
|-
|Hull
|'''''Upper glacis'''''
300 - 400+ mm ''Chemical''

235 - 300+ mm ''Kinetic''
|'''''Front half'''''
299 mm composite screen
|-
|Turret
|'''''Turret front'''''
520 - 600+ mm ''Chemical''

380 - 400+ mm ''Kinetic''

'''''Gun mantlet'''''

210 - 530+ mm ''Chemical''

175 - 400+ mm ''Kinetic''
|'''''Turret side'''''
45 - 400+ mm ''Chemical''

45 - 225+ mm ''Kinetic''

250 mm Composite screen
|}
'''Notes:'''

* Tracks and suspension - 20 mm
* Sideskirts - 12 mm
* Fenders - 5 mm
* There is a 10 mm composite screen on the turret roof

=== Mobility ===
{{Specs-Tank-Mobility}}


{{tankMobility|abMinHp=1,761|rbMinHp=1,150|AoAweight=0.8}}

The top speed is similar to other tanks, but the acceleration is bad so take this into consideration with tactical mobility. While the Ariete can't turn well at low speeds, it does have a good neutral turning speed on the spot.

=== Modifications and economy ===
{{Specs-Economy}}

== Armaments ==
{{Specs-Tank-Armaments}}
=== Main armament ===
{{Specs-Tank-Weapon|1}}

{{main|OTO Breda 120/44 (120 mm)}}

The armament of the {{PAGENAME}} is one of the greatest in the game, with a large amount of penetration in every armour-piercing shell. Their performance lines up with other 120 mm guns in other tanks like the Leopard, and so it should be able to deal with the majority of the top-ranking vehicles with consideration of armour weak points and vulnerabilities.

While the Ariete starts off like most other high BR vehicles with HEATFS, that challenge is easily overcome once you get the 1st round which is DM33, a tier 1 modification which brings its firepower equivalent to the [[Leopard 2A5]] and [[Type 90]]. As for a tier 4 modification you get access to the CL3143 APFSDS, which is a powerful round in the game that will be able to dispatch your enemies with some ease.

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="100%"
|-
! colspan="5" | [[OTO Breda 120/44 (120 mm)|120 mm OTO Breda 120/44]] || colspan="5" | Turret rotation speed (°/s) || colspan="4" | Reloading rate (seconds)
|-
! Mode !! Capacity !! Vertical !! Horizontal !! Stabilizer
! Stock !! Upgraded !! Full !! Expert !! Aced
! Stock !! Full !! Expert !! Aced
|-
! ''Arcade''
| rowspan="2" | 42 || rowspan="2" | -9°/+20° || rowspan="2" | ±180° || rowspan="2" | Two-plane || 38.1 || 52.7 || 64.0 || 70.8 || 75.3 || rowspan="2" | 7.80 || rowspan="2" | 6.90 || rowspan="2" | 6.36 || rowspan="2" | 6.00
|-
! ''Realistic''
| 23.8 || 28.0 || 34.0 || 37.6 || 40.0
|-
|}

==== Ammunition ====
{{:OTO Breda 120/44 (120 mm)/Ammunition|DM12A1, DM33, DM53}}

==== [[Ammo racks]] ====
[[File:Ammoracks_Ariete_(P).png|right|thumb|x250px|[[Ammo racks]] of the {{PAGENAME}}]]

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! Full ammo
! 1st rack empty
! 2nd rack empty
! Visual discrepancy
|-
| '''42''' || 16 ''(+26)'' || 1 ''(+41)'' || No
|-
|}
Notes:

* Shells are modeled individually and disappear after having been shot or loaded.
* Rack 2 is a first stage ammo rack. It totals 15 shells and gets filled first when loading up the tank.
* Simply not firing when the gun is loaded will move ammo from rack 1 into rack 2. Firing will interrupt the restocking of the ready rack.

=== Machine guns ===
{{Specs-Tank-Weapon|2}}
{{Specs-Tank-Weapon|3}}

{{main|Beretta MG42/59 (7.62 mm)}}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="50%"
|-
! colspan="5" | [[Beretta MG42/59 (7.62 mm)|7.62 mm Beretta MG42/59]]
|-
! Mount !! Capacity (Belt) !! Fire rate !! Vertical !! Horizontal
|-
| Coaxial || 4,600 (200) || 801 || N/A || N/A
|-
| Pintle (Commander) - R || 2,000 (200) || 801 || -8°/+60° || ±120°
|-
| Pintle (Loader) - L || 2,000 (200) || 801 || -8°/+60° || ±120°
|-
|}

== Usage in battles ==

The C1 Ariete PSO has access to a decent round, the DM53 which is able to take care of most top tier MBT's it will face. This specific Ariete has the PSO armour installed, which depending on the angle of the shot, can also protect itself against some 125 mm APFSDS and the majority of low level IFV autocannon fire. Due to the kit which you cannot remove, the Ariete PSO won't win any races with its mobility especially when compared to other NATO MBT's. The best playstyle for the Ariete PSO especially when you are just starting out with it, would be more a supportive one which involves flanking manoeuvres or to stick with your better armoured teammates who can withstand hits from enemy tanks such as Leopard 2A6's. Since the Ariete PSO is one of the weakest top tier MBTs for its battle rating, it is advised to keep your distance and try pick enemies from far away, the PSO can easily sit back and use its powerful DM53 APFSDS round to take care of enemies at range with one hit if you aim right. One great plus about the PSO is that if you are deciding to snipe and an enemy vehicle takes you by suprise, the PSO armour can actually be very useful, it can protect you against a multitude of ATGM's and can negate most autocanon fire. If you are lucky you will have enough time to react and take care of the enemy, most top tier MBT weak spots are present at the lower front of the vehicle. If you manage to flank the enemy team, go for the sides or where the ammunition is stored as that also will usually get rid of an enemy quickly. When playing aggressive you need to rely on fast reflexes otherwise there is a good chance that the 1st hit from a enemy will cripple you or knock you out of battle. The Ariete PSO also has an additional PSO modification but it really doesn't change much so it is not needed. The Ariete PSO also has access to commanders thermals, something the previous vehicle (Ariete (P)) does not have. This will be one of the most useful items in your arsenal and will allow you to better spot enemies from behind cover, as well as quickly engage and disengage without exposing yourself long enough for the enemy to see you coming. If you can master this technique, you'll be able to still be useful despite technically being at a disadvantage when compared to other MBT's. Remember that in Arcade Battles, enemies can easily find out where you are with your name tag and where your weak spots are.

=== Pros and cons ===


'''Pros:'''

* Powerful OTO Breda 120/44 cannon
* Turret armour gives crew good survivability, especially against nearly all HEAT-FS thanks to the PSO armour pack
* Unlike other NATO MBTs, there is no ammo rack in the turret, reducing the chances of an instant knockout if the turret is penetrated
* Fast turret traverse
* Second generation CITV and gunner's sights
* High reverse speed
* Another additional roof-mounted Beretta MG42 to ward off enemy helicopters
* Decent FOV and zoom levels
* Access to DM53

'''Cons:'''

* Mobility is subpar, only the Challenger 2 and ZTZ99 are less mobile
* Large lower glacis
* Least armoured MBT in the game
* PSO Tipo 2 doesn't really offer any substantial differences or advantages over the regular PSO armour pack
* Russian tanks with Explosive Reactive Armour are capable of stopping DM53 in certain places and will need careful aiming
* Huge ammo rack next to the driver

== History ==

The history of the C1 Ariete begins during the late stages of the Cold War, with a program born out of the need of the Italian army to modernize the fleet of tanks they had during the Cold War, which were the Leopards and M60s. Those tanks would be considered obsolete, considering the fact that many countries around the world who adopted such designs had either put them out of service or replaced them for something more modern. To make the new Italian MBT, Italy put Iveco and OTO Melara in charge. Iveco dealt with the hull, transmission, and engine, while OTO Melara took care of the turret, cannon, and the installation of sights. After many changes, and a couple of wooden mock-ups, the C1 Ariete (P), would first be shown to the public, at a presentation inside of La Spezia in 1987. Development kept on continuing towards the year of 1990, which allowed both Iveco and OTO Melara to refine the C1 Ariete's design. Deliveries were scheduled to first take place in 1993, however due to some setbacks (likely funding) it wouldn't be until 1995 that the first C1 Ariete production deliveries actually took place. At first an order of 300 tanks would be made, but due to the Cold War coming to an end, it was reduced to only 200 units, which would all finally be delivered on 7th August 2002.

The C1 Ariete had many new advancements that the previous tanks that Italy used could only dream of having. The first C1 Ariete production models had access to the TURMS 3rd generation LTFCS made by Officine Galileo, which gave the capability to the Ariete to fire on the move, both during the day and at night. However later down the line, the last 50 Arietes would receive an upgrade of their sights, which resulted in many improvements, such as giving the C1 Ariete commanders thermal imaging. In terms of armaments, the C1 Ariete (P) and C1 Ariete Production have access to a 120 mm smoothbore gun, made by OTO Melara, with similarities to the German made L44. The Ariete can fire all NATO standard munitions, however as of now the best round that is known the vehicle has in service, would be the CL3143 APFSDS, which is a license-produced version of the M322 Israeli-made round. In 2010 there were plans to buy M338 APFSDS for the C1 Ariete, which was basically DM43 with an improved cap, but nothing came out of it, however as previously mentioned before, if need be the C1 Ariete can fire the majority of NATO standard munitions. The C1 Ariete's armour is currently classified, as it is currently still in service, however CIO (Consorzio Iveco-Oto Melara) claim that it is a mix of steel and composite on both the hull and turret. Most experts claim that the C1 Ariete, at least the first production models, had similar if not better protection than a Leopard 2A4, this does hold some truth as both tanks were designed around the same time.

In terms of the PSO (Peace Support Operation) upgrade, its history would start on 21st December 2000, when between the General Directorate of Land Armaments (now Directorate of Ground Armaments) and the Iveco-OTO Melara Consortium, a contract of sorts was signed, which allowed the C1 Ariete to receive a new armour upgrade, in which 30 sets would be ordered and later on to be installed unto the C1 Ariete. Although it is unknown if all if all the orders would actually end up being complete. The Ariete with PSO would first be seen deployed in Iraq, for Operation Ancient Babylon in 2003. The PSO was made up of additional composite blocks on the side of the tank, these blocks would mainly be installed to increase crew protection against RPG fire, however it also worked well against low level APFSDS and standard HEAT munitions. This would be a great upgrade for the tank, however, the tank would suffer mobility wise, and be, rightfully slower than the regular version of the vehicle. After the C1 Arietes got sent back, the armour package would be removed and later on regular C1 Arietes would be spotted back to their original variant. Recently there has been a breakthrough and it was found that there was a variant of the C1 Ariete that mounted the PSO and WAR package at the same time, there is not too much information regarding this variant but it is possible it was done to answer the problems of the Ariete PSO, in which the sides would be covered but the front of the vehicle remained the same, with the addition of the WAR kit the front side of the Ariete would be a little more protected.

In terms of future upgrades, one is in the works, known as the C1 [[Ariete AMV]], standing for "Ammodernamento di Mezza Vita" (English: "mid life update"). This new update is said to bring the C1 Ariete up to standard; planned upgrades include a new modern sight and thermal system made by Leonardo, active protection systems, better armour, new engine, and much more. The first 3 AMV prototypes are said to be complete by the end of 2021. In terms of service, the C1 Ariete has partaken in many peace-keeping operations around the globe, such as in Yugoslavia, Iraq, and now currently being used in Latvia for NATO's Enhanced Forward Presence mission.

== Media ==


;Skins

* [https://live.warthunder.com/feed/camouflages/?vehicle=it_c1_ariete_pso Skins and camouflages for the {{PAGENAME}} from live.warthunder.com.]

;Videos
{{Youtube-gallery|u5714dpuDDo|'''The Shooting Range #176''' - ''Metal Beasts'' section at 00:32 discusses the Ariete PSO.}}

== See also ==


;[[Ariete (Family)|Related development]]

* [[Ariete (P)]]
* [[Ariete]]
* [[Ariete AMV]]

== External links ==
''Paste links to sources and external resources, such as:''

* ''topic on the official game forum;''
* ''other literature.''

{{TankManufacturer OTO Melara}}
{{Italy medium tanks}}

Ariete PSO

2024-07-18T16:06:05Z

U39663486: /* General info */ copy & paste the armor from https://wiki.warthunder.com/Ariete and add the note for the thickness of the Composite screen taken ingame in the armor view.

{{About
| about = Italian medium tank '''{{PAGENAME}}'''
| usage = other versions
| link = Ariete (Family)
}}
{{Specs-Card
|code=it_c1_ariete_pso
|images={{Specs-Card-Image|GarageImage_{{PAGENAME}}.jpg|GarageImage_{{PAGENAME}}_AddArmour.jpg}}
}}

== Description ==

The C1 Ariete was developed by OTO Melara during the late Cold War to allow the Italian army to equip itself with a modern tank which could easily deal with Yugoslav and Warsaw pact tanks. The PSO (Peace Support Operation) modification entailed additional composite armour blocks on the sides of the tank, mainly to increase crew protection against RPG fire, though they were also found to work well against low level APFSDS and standard HEAT munitions.

Introduced in [[Update 1.91 "Night Vision"]], the C1 Ariete PSO is one of the slowest variants in the C1 Ariete family of vehicles, due to addition of the add-on armour kit surrounding the sides of the hull and turret. However, this add-on armour package is able to handle most low level autocannon fire from enemies from the BMP family and at times even some APFSDS rounds. The tank can be effective when in use by a player who can work around its lacklustre mobility and relatively weak frontal protection. It can also be a great back up for your top tier lineup if you choose to bring more than 1 variant of the C1 Ariete.

== General info ==
=== Survivability and armour ===
{{Specs-Tank-Armour}}


The {{PAGENAME}}'s armour can withstand some 105 mm APFSDS shells, though the turret can resist some high ranking HEAT-FS shells as well. Though the composite side skirts does not provide much protection against kinetic shells, it does affect HEAT-FS shells in that even if one penetrates, the penetrating projectile does not travel as far into the tank and so reduces the overall damage to the tank (outside of direct hits to the ammunition racks).

A common weak point on the {{PAGENAME}} from the front is the gun mantlet, as some shots may go through the armour and damage the gun breech and/or the crew. When dealing with a shell that can penetrate, the {{PAGENAME}}'s left side (right when facing directly at the Ariete) has three ammo racks lined up with each other, and so a frontal penetration at that side of the Ariete has a high chance of detonating these rack, or a shot at the Ariete's left side.

Under normal circumstance however, the {{PAGENAME}}'s four crew members make it a relatively survivable tank to drive, as the common knock-out of the gunner and commander with a penetration through the turret will leave just two (loader and driver), allowing the {{PAGENAME}} to withdraw and continue fighting at the expense of a longer reload time.

'''Armour type:'''

* Rolled homogeneous armour (hull, turret, internal plates)
* High-hardness rolled armour (hull UFP, turret front)
* Composite armour (turret front)
* Spaced armour (hull UFP, gun mantlet, turret sides)

{| class="wikitable"
!'''Armour'''
!'''Front (Slope angle)'''
!'''Sides'''
!'''Rear'''
!'''Roof'''
|-
|Hull
|Spaced Armour ''Upper glacis''
50 mm (50°) ''Lower glacis''
35 mm (60°) ''Sponson front''
|10-20 mm ''Top''
35 mm ''Bottom''
|20 mm
|35 mm ''Crew compartment''
20 mm ''Engine compartment''
5 mm ''Exhaust radiators''
|-
|Turret
|Composite armour ''Turret front''
Spaced armour + 90 mm ''Gun mantlet''
|Spaced armour
|20 mm + 10 mm
|40 mm ''Front portion''
20 mm ''Rear portion''
|}
'''Internal armour:'''

* 20 mm - Upper hull sides
* 35 mm - Upper hull sides
* 10 mm - Between driver and hull ammo rack
* 8 mm - Between crew and engine compartments

{| class="wikitable"
!'''Composite/spaced armour'''
!'''Front'''
!'''Sides'''
|-
|Hull
|'''''Upper glacis'''''
300 - 400+ mm ''Chemical''
235 - 300+ mm ''Kinetic''
|'''''Front half'''''
299 mm composite screen
|-
|Turret
|'''''Turret front'''''
520 - 600+ mm ''Chemical''
380 - 400+ mm ''Kinetic''
'''''Gun mantlet'''''
210 - 530+ mm ''Chemical''
175 - 400+ mm ''Kinetic''
|'''''Turret side'''''
45 - 400+ mm ''Chemical''
45 - 225+ mm ''Kinetic''
250 mm Composite screen
|}
'''Notes:'''

* Tracks and suspension - 20 mm
* Sideskirts - 12 mm
* Fenders - 5 mm
* There is a 10 mm composite screen on the turret roof

=== Mobility ===
{{Specs-Tank-Mobility}}


{{tankMobility|abMinHp=1,761|rbMinHp=1,150|AoAweight=0.8}}

The top speed is similar to other tanks, but the acceleration is bad so take this into consideration with tactical mobility. While the Ariete can't turn well at low speeds, it does have a good neutral turning speed on the spot.

=== Modifications and economy ===
{{Specs-Economy}}

== Armaments ==
{{Specs-Tank-Armaments}}
=== Main armament ===
{{Specs-Tank-Weapon|1}}

{{main|OTO Breda 120/44 (120 mm)}}

The armament of the {{PAGENAME}} is one of the greatest in the game, with a large amount of penetration in every armour-piercing shell. Their performance lines up with other 120 mm guns in other tanks like the Leopard, and so it should be able to deal with the majority of the top-ranking vehicles with consideration of armour weak points and vulnerabilities.

While the Ariete starts off like most other high BR vehicles with HEATFS, that challenge is easily overcome once you get the 1st round which is DM33, a tier 1 modification which brings its firepower equivalent to the [[Leopard 2A5]] and [[Type 90]]. As for a tier 4 modification you get access to the CL3143 APFSDS, which is a powerful round in the game that will be able to dispatch your enemies with some ease.

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="100%"
|-
! colspan="5" | [[OTO Breda 120/44 (120 mm)|120 mm OTO Breda 120/44]] || colspan="5" | Turret rotation speed (°/s) || colspan="4" | Reloading rate (seconds)
|-
! Mode !! Capacity !! Vertical !! Horizontal !! Stabilizer
! Stock !! Upgraded !! Full !! Expert !! Aced
! Stock !! Full !! Expert !! Aced
|-
! ''Arcade''
| rowspan="2" | 42 || rowspan="2" | -9°/+20° || rowspan="2" | ±180° || rowspan="2" | Two-plane || 38.1 || 52.7 || 64.0 || 70.8 || 75.3 || rowspan="2" | 7.80 || rowspan="2" | 6.90 || rowspan="2" | 6.36 || rowspan="2" | 6.00
|-
! ''Realistic''
| 23.8 || 28.0 || 34.0 || 37.6 || 40.0
|-
|}

==== Ammunition ====
{{:OTO Breda 120/44 (120 mm)/Ammunition|DM12A1, DM33, DM53}}

==== [[Ammo racks]] ====
[[File:Ammoracks_Ariete_(P).png|right|thumb|x250px|[[Ammo racks]] of the {{PAGENAME}}]]

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! Full ammo
! 1st rack empty
! 2nd rack empty
! Visual discrepancy
|-
| '''42''' || 16 ''(+26)'' || 1 ''(+41)'' || No
|-
|}
Notes:

* Shells are modeled individually and disappear after having been shot or loaded.
* Rack 2 is a first stage ammo rack. It totals 15 shells and gets filled first when loading up the tank.
* Simply not firing when the gun is loaded will move ammo from rack 1 into rack 2. Firing will interrupt the restocking of the ready rack.

=== Machine guns ===
{{Specs-Tank-Weapon|2}}
{{Specs-Tank-Weapon|3}}

{{main|Beretta MG42/59 (7.62 mm)}}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="50%"
|-
! colspan="5" | [[Beretta MG42/59 (7.62 mm)|7.62 mm Beretta MG42/59]]
|-
! Mount !! Capacity (Belt) !! Fire rate !! Vertical !! Horizontal
|-
| Coaxial || 4,600 (200) || 801 || N/A || N/A
|-
| Pintle (Commander) - R || 2,000 (200) || 801 || -8°/+60° || ±120°
|-
| Pintle (Loader) - L || 2,000 (200) || 801 || -8°/+60° || ±120°
|-
|}

== Usage in battles ==

The C1 Ariete PSO has access to a decent round, the DM53 which is able to take care of most top tier MBT's it will face. This specific Ariete has the PSO armour installed, which depending on the angle of the shot, can also protect itself against some 125 mm APFSDS and the majority of low level IFV autocannon fire. Due to the kit which you cannot remove, the Ariete PSO won't win any races with its mobility especially when compared to other NATO MBT's. The best playstyle for the Ariete PSO especially when you are just starting out with it, would be more a supportive one which involves flanking manoeuvres or to stick with your better armoured teammates who can withstand hits from enemy tanks such as Leopard 2A6's. Since the Ariete PSO is one of the weakest top tier MBTs for its battle rating, it is advised to keep your distance and try pick enemies from far away, the PSO can easily sit back and use its powerful DM53 APFSDS round to take care of enemies at range with one hit if you aim right. One great plus about the PSO is that if you are deciding to snipe and an enemy vehicle takes you by suprise, the PSO armour can actually be very useful, it can protect you against a multitude of ATGM's and can negate most autocanon fire. If you are lucky you will have enough time to react and take care of the enemy, most top tier MBT weak spots are present at the lower front of the vehicle. If you manage to flank the enemy team, go for the sides or where the ammunition is stored as that also will usually get rid of an enemy quickly. When playing aggressive you need to rely on fast reflexes otherwise there is a good chance that the 1st hit from a enemy will cripple you or knock you out of battle. The Ariete PSO also has an additional PSO modification but it really doesn't change much so it is not needed. The Ariete PSO also has access to commanders thermals, something the previous vehicle (Ariete (P)) does not have. This will be one of the most useful items in your arsenal and will allow you to better spot enemies from behind cover, as well as quickly engage and disengage without exposing yourself long enough for the enemy to see you coming. If you can master this technique, you'll be able to still be useful despite technically being at a disadvantage when compared to other MBT's. Remember that in Arcade Battles, enemies can easily find out where you are with your name tag and where your weak spots are.

=== Pros and cons ===


'''Pros:'''

* Powerful OTO Breda 120/44 cannon
* Turret armour gives crew good survivability, especially against nearly all HEAT-FS thanks to the PSO armour pack
* Unlike other NATO MBTs, there is no ammo rack in the turret, reducing the chances of an instant knockout if the turret is penetrated
* Fast turret traverse
* Second generation CITV and gunner's sights
* High reverse speed
* Another additional roof-mounted Beretta MG42 to ward off enemy helicopters
* Decent FOV and zoom levels
* Access to DM53

'''Cons:'''

* Mobility is subpar, only the Challenger 2 and ZTZ99 are less mobile
* Large lower glacis
* Least armoured MBT in the game
* PSO Tipo 2 doesn't really offer any substantial differences or advantages over the regular PSO armour pack
* Russian tanks with Explosive Reactive Armour are capable of stopping DM53 in certain places and will need careful aiming
* Huge ammo rack next to the driver

== History ==

The history of the C1 Ariete begins during the late stages of the Cold War, with a program born out of the need of the Italian army to modernize the fleet of tanks they had during the Cold War, which were the Leopards and M60s. Those tanks would be considered obsolete, considering the fact that many countries around the world who adopted such designs had either put them out of service or replaced them for something more modern. To make the new Italian MBT, Italy put Iveco and OTO Melara in charge. Iveco dealt with the hull, transmission, and engine, while OTO Melara took care of the turret, cannon, and the installation of sights. After many changes, and a couple of wooden mock-ups, the C1 Ariete (P), would first be shown to the public, at a presentation inside of La Spezia in 1987. Development kept on continuing towards the year of 1990, which allowed both Iveco and OTO Melara to refine the C1 Ariete's design. Deliveries were scheduled to first take place in 1993, however due to some setbacks (likely funding) it wouldn't be until 1995 that the first C1 Ariete production deliveries actually took place. At first an order of 300 tanks would be made, but due to the Cold War coming to an end, it was reduced to only 200 units, which would all finally be delivered on 7th August 2002.

The C1 Ariete had many new advancements that the previous tanks that Italy used could only dream of having. The first C1 Ariete production models had access to the TURMS 3rd generation LTFCS made by Officine Galileo, which gave the capability to the Ariete to fire on the move, both during the day and at night. However later down the line, the last 50 Arietes would receive an upgrade of their sights, which resulted in many improvements, such as giving the C1 Ariete commanders thermal imaging. In terms of armaments, the C1 Ariete (P) and C1 Ariete Production have access to a 120 mm smoothbore gun, made by OTO Melara, with similarities to the German made L44. The Ariete can fire all NATO standard munitions, however as of now the best round that is known the vehicle has in service, would be the CL3143 APFSDS, which is a license-produced version of the M322 Israeli-made round. In 2010 there were plans to buy M338 APFSDS for the C1 Ariete, which was basically DM43 with an improved cap, but nothing came out of it, however as previously mentioned before, if need be the C1 Ariete can fire the majority of NATO standard munitions. The C1 Ariete's armour is currently classified, as it is currently still in service, however CIO (Consorzio Iveco-Oto Melara) claim that it is a mix of steel and composite on both the hull and turret. Most experts claim that the C1 Ariete, at least the first production models, had similar if not better protection than a Leopard 2A4, this does hold some truth as both tanks were designed around the same time.

In terms of the PSO (Peace Support Operation) upgrade, its history would start on 21st December 2000, when between the General Directorate of Land Armaments (now Directorate of Ground Armaments) and the Iveco-OTO Melara Consortium, a contract of sorts was signed, which allowed the C1 Ariete to receive a new armour upgrade, in which 30 sets would be ordered and later on to be installed unto the C1 Ariete. Although it is unknown if all if all the orders would actually end up being complete. The Ariete with PSO would first be seen deployed in Iraq, for Operation Ancient Babylon in 2003. The PSO was made up of additional composite blocks on the side of the tank, these blocks would mainly be installed to increase crew protection against RPG fire, however it also worked well against low level APFSDS and standard HEAT munitions. This would be a great upgrade for the tank, however, the tank would suffer mobility wise, and be, rightfully slower than the regular version of the vehicle. After the C1 Arietes got sent back, the armour package would be removed and later on regular C1 Arietes would be spotted back to their original variant. Recently there has been a breakthrough and it was found that there was a variant of the C1 Ariete that mounted the PSO and WAR package at the same time, there is not too much information regarding this variant but it is possible it was done to answer the problems of the Ariete PSO, in which the sides would be covered but the front of the vehicle remained the same, with the addition of the WAR kit the front side of the Ariete would be a little more protected.

In terms of future upgrades, one is in the works, known as the C1 [[Ariete AMV]], standing for "Ammodernamento di Mezza Vita" (English: "mid life update"). This new update is said to bring the C1 Ariete up to standard; planned upgrades include a new modern sight and thermal system made by Leonardo, active protection systems, better armour, new engine, and much more. The first 3 AMV prototypes are said to be complete by the end of 2021. In terms of service, the C1 Ariete has partaken in many peace-keeping operations around the globe, such as in Yugoslavia, Iraq, and now currently being used in Latvia for NATO's Enhanced Forward Presence mission.

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== See also ==


;[[Ariete (Family)|Related development]]

* [[Ariete (P)]]
* [[Ariete]]
* [[Ariete AMV]]

== External links ==
''Paste links to sources and external resources, such as:''

* ''topic on the official game forum;''
* ''other literature.''

{{TankManufacturer OTO Melara}}
{{Italy medium tanks}}

AMX-13

2023-02-25T20:01:57Z

U39663486: Seriously, -6° is not a good depression, no matter how you angle your hull. and I change some "pros" for the protection. and 20mm of armor will detonate every APHE that hit. it's 20mm in the weakest part, not 6mm. most fuze are set at 5mm.

{{About
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| usage = other versions
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== Description ==

The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a rank {{Specs|rank}} French light tank {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update 1.75 "La Résistance"]]. The AMX-13's chassis is the mainstay of France's light tank technology for the post-war period and this one is its most iconic iteration as it is mounted with the FL10 turret. This vehicle is one of the best light tanks at its battle rating, capable of fulfilling many roles on the battlefield.

The AMX-13 series has one of the most distinctive looks of all armoured warfare's history as it combines many unusual design choices. First, this tank does not feature a "classical" layout: engine deck is next to the driver and the turret ring is at the rear of the tank's hull. Speaking of turrets, this tank has an oscillating one, which means that both gun and turret armour are welded together and that the whole assembly has to rotate to elevate the gun. This way of mounting allows the placement of an autoloader mechanism in the ''long'' turret bulge. As for its size, it is very small.

== General info ==
=== Survivability and armour ===
{{Specs-Tank-Armour}}


Even though this tank has unimpressive armour values, its sloped profile will protect it from autocannon fire (with some distance, even the [[Bofors L/60 (40 mm)|Bofors]] can't go through this tank). Any dedicated antitank gun/missile/contraption will go right through this tank's armour. While this may sound a bit bad "getting easily pierced" also has its advantages: some APHE rounds will not detonate upon impact, which will minimise the damage done. If you happen to get shot at, the best way to survive is by showing your right front corner towards the enemy, this way, the engine deck may catch some shells. Don't ever rely on this tank's armour, take every shot you survive as a second chance.

'''Armour type:'''

* Rolled homogeneous armour (hull, turret roof, side and rear)
* Cast homogeneous armour (turret base, turret front, gun mantlet, cupola)

{| class="wikitable"
|-
! Armour !! Front (Slope angle) !! Sides !! Rear !! Roof
|-
| Hull || 40 mm (38-40°) ''Turret base'' 20 mm (66°) ''Upper glacis'' 40 mm (cylindrical) ''Transmission carter'' 20 mm (51°) ''Lower glacis'' || 20 mm (14°) ''Turret base'' 20 mm Sides || 20 mm (32-34°) ''Turret base'' 15 mm (1°) ''Top'' 15 mm (44°) ''Bottom'' || 20 mm (24°) ''Front glacis'' 10 mm ''Centre'' 10 mm (5°) ''Rear'' 5 mm ''Vents''
|-
| Turret || 40 mm (32-47°) ''Turret front'' 60 mm (conical) ''Gun mantlet'' 40 mm (15-75°) ''Barrel shroud'' || 20 mm (0-30°) ''Turret'' || 20 mm ''Turret bustle'' 20 mm (17-22°) ''Pivot ball'' 10 mm (77-90°) ''Turret underside'' || 10 mm
|-
| Cupola || colspan="3" style="text-align:center" | 20 mm (conical) ''Base'' 10 mm (spherical) ''Dome'' || 20 mm (conical) ''Outer ring'' 10 mm (spherical) ''Centre''
|-
|}
'''Notes:'''

* Suspension wheels and tracks are 15 mm thick.
* Belly armour is 10 mm thick.
* Storage boxes and mudguards are 4 mm thick.

=== Mobility ===
{{Specs-Tank-Mobility}}


{{tankMobility|abMinHp= 418|rbMinHp= 239}}

The {{PAGENAME}} can carry you wherever you want as its engine allows for fast accelerations and good, sustained, top speed. You will get quickly to a firing position on the battlefield and relocate easily to a new one once spotted.

=== Modifications and economy ===
{{Specs-Economy}}

== Armaments ==
{{Specs-Tank-Armaments}}
=== Main armament ===
{{Specs-Tank-Weapon|1}}

{{main|SA50 L/57 (75 mm)}}

Well-positioned, this gun can make your enemies cry: with the quick-firing rate it is "one-two, goodbye" for any foe caught from the sides/rear. In usual one-on-one engagements, foes usually exchange shots but, with the AMX-13, this is a lie: it can fire ''twice'' before its foe can reload, this can hurt very much. This high rate of fire makes it very efficient at long-distance sniping: it can adjust fire faster than its foes.

High gun placement and good gun depression angles make this tank very efficient at keeping low behind hills while showing very little of itself. Said shortly, this tank's armament is amazing.

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="100%"
|-
! colspan="5" | [[SA50 L/57 (75 mm)|75 mm SA50 L/57]] || colspan="5" | Turret rotation speed (°/s) || colspan="4" | Reloading rate (seconds)
|-
! Mode !! Capacity !! Vertical !! Horizontal !! Stabilizer
! Stock !! Upgraded !! Full !! Expert !! Aced
! Stock !! Full !! Expert !! Aced
|-
! ''Arcade''
| rowspan="2" | 36 || rowspan="2" | -6°/+13° || rowspan="2" | ±180° || rowspan="2" | N/A || 28.6 || 39.5 || 48.0 || 53.1 || 56.5 || rowspan="2" | 5.00 || rowspan="2" | 5.00 || rowspan="2" | 5.00 || rowspan="2" | 5.00
|-
! ''Realistic''
| 17.9 || 21.0 || 25.5 || 28.2 || 30.0
|-
|}

==== Ammunition ====
{{:SA50 L/57 (75 mm)/Ammunition|POT-51A, OE Mle 1951, PCOT-51P}}

==== [[Ammo racks]] ====
[[File:Ammoracks_{{PAGENAME}}.png|right|thumb|x250px|[[Ammo racks]] of the {{PAGENAME}}]]

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! Full ammo
! 1st rack empty
! 2nd rack empty
! 3rd rack empty
! 4th rack empty
! 5th rack empty
! 6th rack empty
! 7th rack empty
! Visual discrepancy
|-
| '''36''' || 32 ''(+4)'' || 28 ''(+8)'' || 23 ''(+13)'' || 18 ''(+18)'' || 13 ''(+23)'' || 7 ''(+29)'' || 1 ''(+35)'' || No
|-
|}
'''Notes''':

* Shells are modeled individually and disappear after having been shot or loaded.
* Racks 6* and 7* (autoloader magazines) are first stage ammo racks. They total 12 shells.
** These racks get filled first when loading up the tank and are also emptied first.
** As the {{PAGENAME}} is equipped with an autoloader, manual reloading of the gun is not possible.
** Once the autoloader magazines have been depleted, you can't shoot until the loader has restocked the autoloader with at least 1 shell.
** The restocking time is longer than the normal reload time of the gun (about 15 seconds). Take this into account when playing.
** Simply not firing when the gun is loaded will move ammo from racks 1 to 5 into rack 7* then 6*. Firing will interrupt the restocking of the ready racks.

=== Machine guns ===
{{Specs-Tank-Weapon|2}}

{{main|MAC 31 (7.5 mm)}}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="50%"
|-
! colspan="5" | [[MAC 31 (7.5 mm)|7.5 mm MAC 31]]
|-
! Mount !! Capacity (Belt) !! Fire rate !! Vertical !! Horizontal
|-
| Coaxial || 4,950 (150) || 551 || N/A || N/A
|-
|}
The small calibre of the MAC 31 machine gun makes it largely ineffective against all armoured vehicles but the ones with an open compartment. It still can be used to ping targets as a rangefinding help or to mow down minor obstacles blocking your line of sight.

== Usage in battles ==

The AMX-13 is a very competitive tank as it can reach tricky positions quite fast on the battlefield. Its low profile allows it to hide behind many obstacles, serving as armour for this light vehicle. Keeping hull-down, behind a hill on the border of the map is the best way to use this tank: frontal engagements are a no-go with such little armour. AMX-13 commanders will be surprised to be able to shoot ''1 round every 5 seconds'' with such accuracy and power at this BR.

;Long range sniper/flanker:

* Stay low and scout targets for your team. When spotting a vulnerable enemy, shoot its engine/transmission/driver, '''don't get back into cover''' and finish it off 5 seconds later, only then, fade back into the shadows. Do not get out of cover too often as enemies too much aware of your position may destroy you easily. If spotted, stay ''as far as possible'' from enemy fire: this tank's small size can avoid a lot of shots since it takes some serious gunnery skills to hit such a fast ''and'' small target from a distance (1000+ m).

;Brawler:

* Even though this is not recommended usage, this can tank actually be taken in close-quarter combat. In this role, it behaves much like any SPAA in the same context: flanking and surprising its foes from the sides with a hailstorm of bullets. Use smoke launchers in order to secure roads and advance concealed towards unsuspecting foes.

=== Pros and cons ===


'''Pros:'''

* Low profile.
* engine on the front will often absorb all damage on the front right side
* very sloped armour on the front with decent thickness
* Frontally resistant to some SPAA fire ([[Ostwind]] and [[M19]]).
* Has smoke launchers (high arc of fire).
* Can reach its top speed quite fast.
* Gun performance is comparable to the British [[Ordnance QF 17-pounder (76 mm)|QF 17-pounder]]'s.
* Fast turret rotation.
* Stock shell is quite good, although the upgraded shell is a strict improvement.
* Short reload time thanks to the 12-round autoloader: 1 shot every 5 seconds, comparable to reload times at low ranks.
* Has scouting ability.

'''Cons:'''

* Thin top armour: vulnerable to strafing planes (can be penetrated by .50 cals with ground target belts at typical strafing ranges).
* Thin sides will get shredded by SPAAs and HMGs.
* Only 3 crew members
* Extremely bouncy suspension: bad at stop-and-shoot due to oscillating turret design.
* Bad reverse speed for a light tank.
* Bug-like antennas are extremely tall and give away your position when hiding.
* Gun penetration subpar in up-tiers: relies heavily on flanking manoeuvres.
* Restocking the autoloader is very slow once it has been depleted and it limits severely your combat performance.
* Lacks defensive armament against aircraft.

== History ==


'''Development'''

Development of the AMX-13 began in 1946 in response to a requirement by the French Army for a light tank to support paratroopers. It was designed at Atelier de Construction d'Issy-les-Moulineaux (AMX). A long line of prototypes lead to the production model. The first prototype was the AMX-13 2A in 1948, with four road wheels. Next came the 2B with five road wheels and a raised idler wheel, and the 2C with the FL-10 turret and two return rollers. The 2D introduced an arrangement with four return rollers.

'''Design'''

The turret held the commander and gunner, and was set to the rear of the vehicle. The hull was very compact and low profile, with the engine on the right side and the driver in the front, left side.

The main feature of the AMX-13 was the FL-10 oscillating turret, armed with a 75 mm gun with an automatic loader system fed by two six-round magazines, for a total of 12 rounds in the autoloading mechanism. The gun could depress 8° and elevate 12°, with 5° per second of elevation speed. The turret could rotate 360° with 30° per second of traverse speed. A TCV 107 laser rangefinder was provided to the gunner. 6 smoke grenade launchers were fitted on the turret, with 6 more grenades stored in the vehicle. One coaxial 7.62 mm machine gun was fitted, with 1,800 rounds in belts of 200. Another 7.62 mm machine gun could be fitted on an anti-aircraft mount with 1,800 rounds.

The gasoline engine produced 250 horsepower, and the manual transmission had five forward and one reverse gear. The suspension was of the torsion bar type. The drive sprockets were in the front, return rollers in the back, and there were five road wheels and four return rollers. The AMX-13 could reach a speed of 60 kph, and it had a range of 400 kilometers.

The protection of the AMX-13, it being a light tank, was not great. It could withstand heavy machine gun and low-calibre autocannon rounds from the front, but the sides could not even withstand heavy machine gun fire. An appliqué armour package was developed to increase protection at the choice of the user.

'''Production'''

Production began in 1952, at Atelier de Construction Roanne (ARE). Over 7,000 AMX-13s of all variants were produced, seeing export to a number of nations as well as seeing service with the French Army. Production shifted to Creusot-Loire at Chalon-sur-Saône in 1964, since ARE began producing the AMX-30 in that year.

'''Service'''

The French Army received most of the original 75 mm-armed version, with about 3,000 entering service. They were assigned to the regular armoured units, which were mostly filled with M47 and M48 Patton medium tanks at the time. AMX-13 squadrons had four tanks, and were split into two sections of one infantry section and one light tank section each, along with an ammunition truck and command vehicle. These squadrons were used for screening and reconnaissance, locating enemy forces and engaging them. After the first section had engaged the enemy and was reloading, the second section engaged the enemy. The process of alternating reloading and firing between the sections allowed the tanks to hold off the enemy until medium tanks arrived.

In the 1960's, the AMX-30 entered service. AMX-13s were used during the decolonization war in Algeria (1954-1962), although they saw little combat due to the lack of opposition and the terrain. After the French AMX-13s were up-gunned with the 90 mm gun, they often saw service in foreign theatres of operation due to their relative inexpensiveness. The AMX-13s were decommissioned and put into reserve starting in 1985.

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== See also ==


;Vehicles equipped with the same chassis

* [[AMX-13 (Family)]]

;Other vehicles of similar configuration and role

* [[Strv 74]]

== External links ==


* [[wikipedia:AMX-13|[Wikipedia] AMX-13]]
* [https://tanks-encyclopedia.com/coldwar/France/AMX-13.php <nowiki>[Tanks Encyclopedia]</nowiki> AMX-13]
* [https://www.militaryfactory.com/armor/detail.asp?armor_id=175 <nowiki>[Military Factory]</nowiki> AMX-13]

{{TankManufacturer AMX}}
{{France light tanks}}

Skink

2022-11-15T20:48:43Z

U39663486: /* Survivability and armour */ quick typo correction

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}}

== Description ==

The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a rank {{Specs|rank}} British SPAA {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update "Drone Age"]].

A British and Canada project for a self-propelled anti-aircraft gun to protect their armoured force, the Skink was a step above the [[Crusader AA Mk II|Crusader AA options]] with four 20 mm autocannons in an enclosed mount. While the Skink never got a chance to shoot down an enemy aircraft during World War II, players would have the chance to light up the skies to shoot down enemy pilots.

== General info ==
=== Survivability and armour ===
{{Specs-Tank-Armour}}

In overall, the Shink offer a protection similar to the Sherman. been based on the Sherman itself, only the turret offer a lower protection than the medium tank cousin. amounts of the SPAA of this rank, this tank will offer a much higher survivability due to the armour thickness close to a medium tank of this rank, and the fact that all the crew is completely protected inside the tank. the roof of the tank itself is still fairly thick and can resist 12.7 mm from above which make it a rather hard target for the aircraft. only heavy aircraft guns and direct hit of rockets or bomb can actually destroy it when fighting the aircraft.

against the ground targets, this tank will not be that well protected. as in this battle-rating most tanks have little difficulty to penetrate this level of armour even at some distance, it would not be the best choice to fight against the ground targets. the protection remain good enough against the HMG and most 20mm guns. some lighter vehicles might also have difficulty to penetrate it and when meeting vehicles of a lower battle-rating, the front might be protected enough to take the hit of the 75 mm or 76.2 mm guns of the medium tanks once a while. the side is very flat and just offering a protection enough against WW2 auto-cannon. any tank guns, including those of rank 1 (save for the weakest), could easily penetrate it.

'''Armour type:''' Cast homogeneous armour (hull and turret) 


{| class="wikitable"
|-
! Armour !! Front (Slope angle) !! Sides !! Rear !! Roof
|-
| Hull || 50.8 mm (30-50°) ''Front Glacis'' 50.8 mm (0-34°) ''Transmission cover'' ||50.8 mm front quater
38.1 mm all the rest
|38.1 mm (13°) lower part
38.1 mm (0°) upper part
|19.5 mm
|-
| Turret ||50.8 mm (round) gun's mantle
38 - 57 mm (variable thickness) front
|38.1 mm ||25 mm||38 mm front half
24 mm rear half
|-
|}

19.5mm neck gard protect the turret transverse

5 mm mudgard

20 mm track

20mm track are attached on the side of the turret

'''Notes:''' 

=== Mobility ===
{{Specs-Tank-Mobility}}

The Skink has mobility comparable to that of the M4 Sherman variants. It has average forward mobility, but a poor reverse gear.

{{tankMobility|abMinHp=568|rbMinHp=354}}

=== Modifications and economy ===
{{Specs-Economy}}

== Armaments ==
{{Specs-Tank-Armaments}}
=== Main armament ===
{{Specs-Tank-Weapon|1}}

{{main|Polsten (20 mm)}}

The 20 mm Polsten cannons have a decent rate of fire, as well as a good muzzle velocity.

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="100%"
|-
! colspan="6" | [[Polsten (20 mm)|20 mm Polsten]] (x4) || colspan="5" | Turret rotation speed (°/s) || colspan="4" | Reloading rate (seconds)
|-
! Mode !! Capacity (Belt) !! Fire rate !! Vertical !! Horizontal !! Stabilizer
! Stock !! Upgraded !! Full !! Expert !! Aced
! Stock !! Full !! Expert !! Aced
|-
! ''Arcade''
| rowspan="2" | 1,920 (30) || rowspan="2" | 450 || rowspan="2" | -4°/+77° || rowspan="2" | ±180° || rowspan="2" | N/A || 55.5 || 76.8 || 93.2 || 103.1 || 109.7 || rowspan="2" | 5.20 || rowspan="2" | 4.60 || rowspan="2" | 4.24 || rowspan="2" | 4.00
|-
! ''Realistic''
| 37.5 || 44.1 || 53.6 || 59.2 || 63.0
|-
|}

==== Ammunition ====

* '''Default:''' {{Annotation|AP-T|Armour-piercing tracer}}{{-}}{{Annotation|HEF-I|High-explosive fragmentation incendiary}}{{-}}{{Annotation|AP-T|Armour-piercing tracer}}
* '''HET:''' {{Annotation|HEFI-T|High-explosive fragmentation incendiary tracer}}{{-}}{{Annotation|HEF-I|High-explosive fragmentation incendiary}}{{-}}{{Annotation|HEF-I|High-explosive fragmentation incendiary}}
* '''APT:''' {{Annotation|AP-T|Armour-piercing tracer}}

{| class="wikitable sortable" style="text-align:center" width="100%"
! colspan="7" | Penetration statistics
|-
! rowspan="2" data-sort-type="text" | Belt
! colspan="6" | Penetration @ 0° Angle of Attack (mm)
|-
! 10 m !! 100 m !! 500 m !! 1,000 m !! 1,500 m !! 2,000 m
|-
| Default || 42 || 38 || 26 || 16 || 10 || 6
|-
| HET || 2 || 2 || 2 || 2 || 2 || 2
|-
| APT || 42 || 38 || 26 || 16 || 10 || 6
|-
|}
{| class="wikitable sortable" style="text-align:center" width="100%"
! colspan="10" | Shell details
|-
! rowspan="2" data-sort-type="text" | Ammunition
! rowspan="2" | Type of warhead
! rowspan="2" | Velocity (m/s)
! rowspan="2" | Projectile mass (kg)
! rowspan="2" | Fuse delay (m)
! rowspan="2" | Fuse sensitivity (mm)
! rowspan="2" | Explosive mass (TNT equivalent) (g)
! colspan="3" | Ricochet
|-
! 0% !! 50% !! 100%
|-
| 20 mm AP-T || AP-T || 830 || 0.14 || N/A || N/A || N/A || 47° || 60° || 65°
|-
| 20 mm HEFI-T || HEFI-T || 838 || 0.12 || 0 || 0.1 || 5 || 79° || 80° || 81°
|-
| 20 mm HEF-I || HEF-I || 838 || 0.12 || 0 || 0.1 || 6 || N/A || N/A || N/A
|-
|}

==== [[Ammo racks]] ====
[[File:Ammoracks_{{PAGENAME}}.png|right|thumb|x250px|[[Ammo racks]] of the {{PAGENAME}}]]

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! Full ammo
! 1st rack empty
! 2nd rack empty
! 3rd rack empty
! 4th rack empty
! 5th rack empty
! Visual discrepancy
|-
| '''64''' || 48 ''(+16)'' || 36 ''(+28)'' || 24 ''(+40)'' || 12 ''(+52)'' || 0 ''(+64)'' || No
|-
|}
'''Notes''':

* Ammunition is modeled as 4 clips of 30 rounds each.
* 64 clips of 30 rounds represent 1,920 rounds.
* The Skink has 5 ammo racks, all stored in the hull. Every rack contains 12 clips, with an additional 4 belts already loaded in the guns when the game begins. Magazines deplete by sets of 4.

=== Machine guns ===
{{Specs-Tank-Weapon|2}}

{{main|L3A1 (7.62 mm)}}

The Skink has a single hull-mounted L3A1 machine gun. Due to its low range of traverse, as well as its lackluster damage, it is useless for dealing damage to the enemy unless they are open-topped. It is best used to clear out obstacles which may block your line of sight.

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="50%"
|-
! colspan="5" | [[L3A1 (7.62 mm)|7.62 mm L3A1]]
|-
! Mount !! Capacity (Belt) !! Fire rate !! Vertical !! Horizontal
|-
| Hull || 2,000 (250) || 500 || +15°/-5° || -10°/+5°
|-
|}

== Usage in battles ==

The Skink's anti-air capability is very good, however, at its BR, it is inadequate for taking out most ground vehicles it faces, with the exception of light tanks and other SPAA. For shooting down enemy aircraft, be sure to let them come to you, and fire only when you are confident you can land a hit. If you spray them from too far away, most aircraft will likely avoid your general location so as to not get shot down. Make sure to not let the enemy aircraft know where you are, and surprise them with a devastating burst once they come in range.

=== Pros and cons ===


'''Pros:'''

* 5 crew members, difficult to knock out in one pass
* M4A1 chassis and closed turret provide protection against autocannons, HMGs, and overpressure damage from bombs and rockets
* Excellent turret traverse and elevation speed
* 4 x 20 mm cannons do excellent damage against aircraft and lightly armoured vehicles
* Short reload time
* Plenty of ammo

'''Cons:'''

* Average mobility
* Short ammo belt
* Cannons overheat quickly with continuous fire
* Poor anti-tank capabilities, can only engage lightly-armoured targets

== History ==

''The Shink AA tank was a series of experimental anti-aircraft tank founded and developed by the British war office but built in Canada. ordered in 1944, the first 2 prototype was ready in late 1944. one was keep in Canada and the 2nd was shipped to United kingdom for further test.the chassis been a Canadian built M4a1, the development was done in partnership between Canada and United kingdom. an additional prototype was built in 1945 with Hipano-suiza 20mm gun instant of Polsten like the first 2 prototype.'' an additional 8 shink turret was built but never mounted on the chassis. the 3rd prototype and 4th prototype who was almost ready to be assembled was intended for United kingdom and was waiting in the cargo port to be embarked on ship by 1945.

the development of the Shink was based on the mental perception that the Luftwaffe left to the British army. fallowing the battle of France and the Battle of Britain, the German aviation had left a fearsome image of efficiency and accuracy. based on this perception that was still very present in 1944, the British army used a large number of SPAA of which many was truck based with 20mm Polsten or Oerlikon (single or up to 4 guns) and 40mm Bofors to provide the ground units with close air-defence against the eventual German close air-support that might had been massively used during the late perriod of WW2. for this reason, a initial planed order of 130 Shink was made. but as history show us, this fear was by 1945, unfounded as the German aviation was the mare shadow of what it was a few years before and was now unable to effectively support the units on the ground. the end of WW2 and the fact that the German was no more having the aviation it once had put an end the the Shink project. only the 2nd Shink built ever reached United kingdom, while all other remained in Canada. fallowing the end of WW2 who happen shortly after the cancellation of the Shink, Canada and United kingdom who co-owned all Shink agreed to separate the tank with a sole onership. the one who was waiting in Canadian dock to be shiped to united kingdom but still in Canada, would be given to Canada entirely. the one who made his way to united kingdom would be given to united kingdom. this share of ownership while been uneven was much simpler for both nation.

the 2nd prototype of the Shink arrived in Lulworth where it was tested in the British armoured school. the trial went on and serial minor modification was made to polish the design. such as the replacement of the Canadian gun's sight who was either damage or considered as insufficient, by the naval holographic sight. serial modification was made such as the guns needed to be belt feed instant of using magazines and the standardization of the British 21st army who requested that the guns needed to be either 20mm Oerlikon or Polsten instant of the Hispano-suiza as the Canadian wanted. the Polsten and Oerlikon been weaker than the Hispano-Suiza was using the same ammo and was making it easier to supply while the Hispano-Suiza was using a different ammunition who wasn't standard in the army. this delayed the production of serial month and the situation having changed in europe, the order of 130 tanks was cancelled officially in august 1945.

== Media ==


;Skins

* [https://live.warthunder.com/feed/camouflages/?vehicle=uk_skink_aa Skins and camouflages for the {{PAGENAME}} from live.warthunder.com.]

== See also ==

''Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:''

* ''reference to the series of the vehicles;''
* ''links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.''

== External links ==


* [[wt:en/news/7833-development-skink-the-bird-eating-lizard-en|[Devblog] Skink: The Bird-eating Lizard]]
* https://forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/560390-tank-aa-20-mm-quad-skink-polsten-tk-1001/

{{Britain anti-aircraft vehicles}}

Skink

2022-11-15T20:46:28Z

U39663486: /* Description */ corrected the description to include the british (based on the primary source of the suggestion) /* srvivability */ add description of the armour and how it survive ingame. /* History */ added test based on the suggestion

{{Specs-Card
|code=uk_skink_aa
|images={{Specs-Card-Image|GarageImage_{{PAGENAME}}.jpg}}
}}

== Description ==

The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a rank {{Specs|rank}} British SPAA {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update "Drone Age"]].

A British and Canada project for a self-propelled anti-aircraft gun to protect their armoured force, the Skink was a step above the [[Crusader AA Mk II|Crusader AA options]] with four 20 mm autocannons in an enclosed mount. While the Skink never got a chance to shoot down an enemy aircraft during World War II, players would have the chance to light up the skies to shoot down enemy pilots.

== General info ==
=== Survivability and armour ===
{{Specs-Tank-Armour}}

In overall, the Shink offer a protection similar to the Sherman. been based on the Sherman itself, only the turret offer a lower protection than the medium tank cousin. amounts of the SPAA of this rank, this tank will offer a much higher survivability due to the armour thickness close to a medium tank of this rank, and the fact that all the crew is completely protected inside the tank. the roof of the tank itself is still fairly thick and can resist 12.7 mm from above which make it a rather hard target for the aircraft. only heavy aircraft guns and direct hit of rockets or bomb can actually destroy it when fighting the aircraft.

against the ground targets, this tank will not be that well protected. as in this battle-rating most tanks have little difficulty to penetrate this level of armour even at some distance, it would not be the best choice to fight against the ground targets. the protection remain good enough against the HMG and most 20mm guns. some lighter vehicles might also have difficulty to penetrate it and when meeting vehicles of a lower battle-rating, the front might be protected enough to take the hit of the 75 mm or 76.2 mm guns of the medium tanks once a while. the side is very flat and just offering a protection enough against WW2 auto-cannon. any tank guns, including those of rank 1 (save for the weakest), could easily penetrate it.

'''Armour type:''' Cast homogeneous armour (hull and turret) 


{| class="wikitable"
|-
! Armour !! Front (Slope angle) !! Sides !! Rear !! Roof
|-
| Hull || 50.8 mm (30-50°) ''Front Glacis'' 50.8 mm (0-34°) ''Transmission cover'' ||50.8 mm front quater
38.1 mm all the rest
|38.1 mm (13°) lower part
38.1 mm (0°) upper part
|19.5 mm
|-
| Turret ||50.8 mm (round) gun's mantle
38 - 50.8 mm (variable thickness) front
|38.1 mm ||24 mm||38 mm front half
24 mnn rear half
|-
|}

19.5mm neck gard protect the turret transverse

5 mm mudgard

20 mm track

20mm track are attached on the side of the turret

'''Notes:''' 

=== Mobility ===
{{Specs-Tank-Mobility}}

The Skink has mobility comparable to that of the M4 Sherman variants. It has average forward mobility, but a poor reverse gear.

{{tankMobility|abMinHp=568|rbMinHp=354}}

=== Modifications and economy ===
{{Specs-Economy}}

== Armaments ==
{{Specs-Tank-Armaments}}
=== Main armament ===
{{Specs-Tank-Weapon|1}}

{{main|Polsten (20 mm)}}

The 20 mm Polsten cannons have a decent rate of fire, as well as a good muzzle velocity.

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="100%"
|-
! colspan="6" | [[Polsten (20 mm)|20 mm Polsten]] (x4) || colspan="5" | Turret rotation speed (°/s) || colspan="4" | Reloading rate (seconds)
|-
! Mode !! Capacity (Belt) !! Fire rate !! Vertical !! Horizontal !! Stabilizer
! Stock !! Upgraded !! Full !! Expert !! Aced
! Stock !! Full !! Expert !! Aced
|-
! ''Arcade''
| rowspan="2" | 1,920 (30) || rowspan="2" | 450 || rowspan="2" | -4°/+77° || rowspan="2" | ±180° || rowspan="2" | N/A || 55.5 || 76.8 || 93.2 || 103.1 || 109.7 || rowspan="2" | 5.20 || rowspan="2" | 4.60 || rowspan="2" | 4.24 || rowspan="2" | 4.00
|-
! ''Realistic''
| 37.5 || 44.1 || 53.6 || 59.2 || 63.0
|-
|}

==== Ammunition ====

* '''Default:''' {{Annotation|AP-T|Armour-piercing tracer}}{{-}}{{Annotation|HEF-I|High-explosive fragmentation incendiary}}{{-}}{{Annotation|AP-T|Armour-piercing tracer}}
* '''HET:''' {{Annotation|HEFI-T|High-explosive fragmentation incendiary tracer}}{{-}}{{Annotation|HEF-I|High-explosive fragmentation incendiary}}{{-}}{{Annotation|HEF-I|High-explosive fragmentation incendiary}}
* '''APT:''' {{Annotation|AP-T|Armour-piercing tracer}}

{| class="wikitable sortable" style="text-align:center" width="100%"
! colspan="7" | Penetration statistics
|-
! rowspan="2" data-sort-type="text" | Belt
! colspan="6" | Penetration @ 0° Angle of Attack (mm)
|-
! 10 m !! 100 m !! 500 m !! 1,000 m !! 1,500 m !! 2,000 m
|-
| Default || 42 || 38 || 26 || 16 || 10 || 6
|-
| HET || 2 || 2 || 2 || 2 || 2 || 2
|-
| APT || 42 || 38 || 26 || 16 || 10 || 6
|-
|}
{| class="wikitable sortable" style="text-align:center" width="100%"
! colspan="10" | Shell details
|-
! rowspan="2" data-sort-type="text" | Ammunition
! rowspan="2" | Type of warhead
! rowspan="2" | Velocity (m/s)
! rowspan="2" | Projectile mass (kg)
! rowspan="2" | Fuse delay (m)
! rowspan="2" | Fuse sensitivity (mm)
! rowspan="2" | Explosive mass (TNT equivalent) (g)
! colspan="3" | Ricochet
|-
! 0% !! 50% !! 100%
|-
| 20 mm AP-T || AP-T || 830 || 0.14 || N/A || N/A || N/A || 47° || 60° || 65°
|-
| 20 mm HEFI-T || HEFI-T || 838 || 0.12 || 0 || 0.1 || 5 || 79° || 80° || 81°
|-
| 20 mm HEF-I || HEF-I || 838 || 0.12 || 0 || 0.1 || 6 || N/A || N/A || N/A
|-
|}

==== [[Ammo racks]] ====
[[File:Ammoracks_{{PAGENAME}}.png|right|thumb|x250px|[[Ammo racks]] of the {{PAGENAME}}]]

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! Full ammo
! 1st rack empty
! 2nd rack empty
! 3rd rack empty
! 4th rack empty
! 5th rack empty
! Visual discrepancy
|-
| '''64''' || 48 ''(+16)'' || 36 ''(+28)'' || 24 ''(+40)'' || 12 ''(+52)'' || 0 ''(+64)'' || No
|-
|}
'''Notes''':

* Ammunition is modeled as 4 clips of 30 rounds each.
* 64 clips of 30 rounds represent 1,920 rounds.
* The Skink has 5 ammo racks, all stored in the hull. Every rack contains 12 clips, with an additional 4 belts already loaded in the guns when the game begins. Magazines deplete by sets of 4.

=== Machine guns ===
{{Specs-Tank-Weapon|2}}

{{main|L3A1 (7.62 mm)}}

The Skink has a single hull-mounted L3A1 machine gun. Due to its low range of traverse, as well as its lackluster damage, it is useless for dealing damage to the enemy unless they are open-topped. It is best used to clear out obstacles which may block your line of sight.

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="50%"
|-
! colspan="5" | [[L3A1 (7.62 mm)|7.62 mm L3A1]]
|-
! Mount !! Capacity (Belt) !! Fire rate !! Vertical !! Horizontal
|-
| Hull || 2,000 (250) || 500 || +15°/-5° || -10°/+5°
|-
|}

== Usage in battles ==

The Skink's anti-air capability is very good, however, at its BR, it is inadequate for taking out most ground vehicles it faces, with the exception of light tanks and other SPAA. For shooting down enemy aircraft, be sure to let them come to you, and fire only when you are confident you can land a hit. If you spray them from too far away, most aircraft will likely avoid your general location so as to not get shot down. Make sure to not let the enemy aircraft know where you are, and surprise them with a devastating burst once they come in range.

=== Pros and cons ===


'''Pros:'''

* 5 crew members, difficult to knock out in one pass
* M4A1 chassis and closed turret provide protection against autocannons, HMGs, and overpressure damage from bombs and rockets
* Excellent turret traverse and elevation speed
* 4 x 20 mm cannons do excellent damage against aircraft and lightly armoured vehicles
* Short reload time
* Plenty of ammo

'''Cons:'''

* Average mobility
* Short ammo belt
* Cannons overheat quickly with continuous fire
* Poor anti-tank capabilities, can only engage lightly-armoured targets

== History ==

''The Shink AA tank was a series of experimental anti-aircraft tank founded and developed by the British war office but built in Canada. ordered in 1944, the first 2 prototype was ready in late 1944. one was keep in Canada and the 2nd was shipped to United kingdom for further test.the chassis been a Canadian built M4a1, the development was done in partnership between Canada and United kingdom. an additional prototype was built in 1945 with Hipano-suiza 20mm gun instant of Polsten like the first 2 prototype.'' an additional 8 shink turret was built but never mounted on the chassis. the 3rd prototype and 4th prototype who was almost ready to be assembled was intended for United kingdom and was waiting in the cargo port to be embarked on ship by 1945.

the development of the Shink was based on the mental perception that the Luftwaffe left to the British army. fallowing the battle of France and the Battle of Britain, the German aviation had left a fearsome image of efficiency and accuracy. based on this perception that was still very present in 1944, the British army used a large number of SPAA of which many was truck based with 20mm Polsten or Oerlikon (single or up to 4 guns) and 40mm Bofors to provide the ground units with close air-defence against the eventual German close air-support that might had been massively used during the late perriod of WW2. for this reason, a initial planed order of 130 Shink was made. but as history show us, this fear was by 1945, unfounded as the German aviation was the mare shadow of what it was a few years before and was now unable to effectively support the units on the ground. the end of WW2 and the fact that the German was no more having the aviation it once had put an end the the Shink project. only the 2nd Shink built ever reached United kingdom, while all other remained in Canada. fallowing the end of WW2 who happen shortly after the cancellation of the Shink, Canada and United kingdom who co-owned all Shink agreed to separate the tank with a sole onership. the one who was waiting in Canadian dock to be shiped to united kingdom but still in Canada, would be given to Canada entirely. the one who made his way to united kingdom would be given to united kingdom. this share of ownership while been uneven was much simpler for both nation.

the 2nd prototype of the Shink arrived in Lulworth where it was tested in the British armoured school. the trial went on and serial minor modification was made to polish the design. such as the replacement of the Canadian gun's sight who was either damage or considered as insufficient, by the naval holographic sight. serial modification was made such as the guns needed to be belt feed instant of using magazines and the standardization of the British 21st army who requested that the guns needed to be either 20mm Oerlikon or Polsten instant of the Hispano-suiza as the Canadian wanted. the Polsten and Oerlikon been weaker than the Hispano-Suiza was using the same ammo and was making it easier to supply while the Hispano-Suiza was using a different ammunition who wasn't standard in the army. this delayed the production of serial month and the situation having changed in europe, the order of 130 tanks was cancelled officially in august 1945.

== Media ==


;Skins

* [https://live.warthunder.com/feed/camouflages/?vehicle=uk_skink_aa Skins and camouflages for the {{PAGENAME}} from live.warthunder.com.]

== See also ==

''Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:''

* ''reference to the series of the vehicles;''
* ''links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.''

== External links ==


* [[wt:en/news/7833-development-skink-the-bird-eating-lizard-en|[Devblog] Skink: The Bird-eating Lizard]]
* https://forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/560390-tank-aa-20-mm-quad-skink-polsten-tk-1001/

{{Britain anti-aircraft vehicles}}

SA34 L/30 (47 mm)

2022-07-29T04:35:32Z

U39663486: Filling up most of the info, used the tank's shells value for the "available shells" section

== Description ==
The '''47mm Semi-Automatique model 1934''' was one of the first standardized tank gun in France since WW1. initially presented as a successor to the Puteaux SA18, this gun was a tank adaptation of the 47mm Modèle 1885 Marine, a naval gun who offered a decent performance for the ships. the SA34 was introduced in 1934 when it was first mounted on the Char D1. despite of having a reduced penetration over the 37mm, the 47mm SA34 was having a much higher fire-support capacity and was more adapted to fight fornication. France didn't used a lot of those gun, they might only had produced about 250 of those guns and they was mainly used for Colonial tanks and training tanks. the gun was soon replaced in 1936 by the 47mm SA35.

=== Vehicles equipped with this weapon ===


* {{Specs-Link|fr_amc_34}}

== General info ==
Clearly in-adapted for tank battle, the 47mm SA34 was mainly used for Colonial tanks where the Penetration less needed. the gun is a relatively short gun with a Barrel of calibre 30. this cause the velocity and by consequence, the penetration to be rather low. with only 450 m/sec, this gun would fire one of the slowest rounds for a tank gun that is not howitzer type. the gun use the Obus de rupture modèle 1892G which was heritage from the Naval gun on which it was based. this round have the chance to carry 50 g of black-powder which increase significantly the damage post-penetration.

=== Available shells ===
{| class="wikitable"
! colspan="10" |Shell details
|-
! rowspan="2" |Ammunition
! rowspan="2" |Type of
warhead
! rowspan="2" |Velocity
(m/s)
! rowspan="2" |Projectile
Mass (kg)
! rowspan="2" |Fuse delay
(m)
! rowspan="2" |Fuse sensitivity
(mm)
! rowspan="2" |Explosive Mass
(TNT equivalent) (g)
! colspan="3" |Ricochet
|-
!0%
!50%
!100%
|-
|Mle1892G
|APHE
|450
|1.48
|1.2
|6
|50
|47°
|60°
|65°
|}
{| class="wikitable"
! colspan="8" |Penetration statistics
|-
! rowspan="2" |Ammunition
! rowspan="2" |Type of
warhead
! colspan="6" |Penetration @ 0° Angle of Attack (mm)
|-
!10 m
!100 m
!500 m
!1,000 m
!1,500 m
!2,000 m
|-
|Mle1892G
|APHE
|27
|26
|20
|15
|11
|8
|}

=== Comparison with analogues ===
''Give a comparative description of cannons/machine guns, that have firepower equal to these type of weapons.''

== Usage in battles ==
This gun is rather difficult to play. most the tank it would mean would nearly seem immune to this gun, however, if there is a penetration, the damage is pretty important. it is recommended to use this gun only at close range and aim for the armour the part that appear to most flat in the angle of impact. most tanks have a extra armour shield on the front of the turret, it might be a good idea to avoid to aim for this part. when possible, engage your target from the side. light targets such as armoured car, SPAA and SPG who could be qualified as "glass cannon" are gift for this gun. as soon you meet a medium tank, you may be wiser to not engage it with this gun.

=== Pros and cons ===
''Summarize and briefly evaluate the weaponry in terms of its characteristics and combat effectiveness. Mark pros and cons as a list.''

'''Pros:'''

* Decent post-penetration damage

*

'''Cons:'''

* Terrible penetration
* low velocity rounds
* Pretty much the lowest penetration of all game in the game
* Moving target hard to hit due to the low velocity
* just ineffective at over 500m, and sometime even less.

*

== History ==
''The 47mm SA34 was a tank gun developed from the 47mm Modèle 1885 marine. presented as a improvement to the 37mm SA18 to the army, the gun was packing more fire-power over the 37mm which didn't yet had any improved anti-tank rounds yet (back them the penetration didn't reach 20mm). also having a better capacity to support the infantry, the his HE shell was much more effective against the fortification than the 37mm's. introduced for the first time with the Char D1 which was at that time the Replacement of the Renault FT, the gun didn't leave his mark amounts of the great french gun of WW2. this gun equipped 160 Chard D1, 50 Char D2, 35 Char B1, 6 AMC 34 and 3 or 4 Somua AC-3 which give a total of less than 250 vehicles using this gun. introduced in 1934, this gun was officially replaced in 1936 by the 47mm SA35 which offer a much better anti-tank capacity. the tanks using this gun was all used for colonial duty or training tanks. in the colony, the penetration was less needed and the power of the HE rounds was much more helpful.''

by the time WW2 started, many tanks was still using the 47mm SA34. some was force to be used in the front line to replace the lost in the armoured units. when possible, many of those tanks, notably the Char D2 and Char B1 saw the SA34 been replaced by the SA35. in 1940, the situation in France getting disastrous, any colonial tanks that could be useful in battle was call back from north Africa. the Char D1 and Char D2 notably fought the German Panzer division in Europe, and they turn out to be rather effective due to the fact at that time, the German tank seldom had more than 15mm of armour. but the bad condition of the tanks that was using those gun and the fact that it was shadowed by the 47mm SA35 led that gun to just been overseen as a weapons of low impact in the battlefield.

== Media ==
''An excellent addition to the article would be a video guide, as well as screenshots from the game and photos.''

== See also ==
''Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:''

*

== External links ==
''Paste links to sources and external resources, such as:''

* ''Trackstory 03 - Les Chars B B1-B1bis-B1ter''
* ''Trackstory 08 - Renault D1''
* ''Trackstory 09 - Renault D2''

{{France tank cannons}}

[[Category:Tank cannons]]

SA18 L/21 (37 mm)

2022-07-26T15:45:51Z

U39663486: corrected the spoiler name

== Description ==
[[File:Canon de 37mm SA18 .jpg|thumb|37mm Puteaux SA18 as mounted in the French Tanks]]
The '''Puteaux SA 18''' (or '''37 mm SA 18 L/21 Puteaux''') is a gun that first saw use in the First World War, but also the Second World War. It was primarily mounted armoured vehicles and its main use was to suppress the enemy machine gun nests, pillboxes but also infantry. It was a simple and reliable weapon for its role, with a high rate of fire, low chance of jamming and it required only a single person to use effectively. There was a sight mounted to the left of the weapon, which allowed consistent and accurate suppressing fire. Although its penetration power wasn't something to brag about, it was just enough to penetrate most armoured cars of that time.

Adapted from the SA16 infantry support gun, it first appeared as the main armament of the revolutionary Renault FT series. Unfortunately, by the outbreak of World War II its penetration power had fallen well behind armour development.

=== Vehicles equipped with this weapon ===


* {{Specs-Link|fr_fcm_36}}
* {{Specs-Link|fr_hotchkiss_h35}}

== General info ==

The Puteaux SA 18, or Semi-Automatique 1918 Puteux, was a obsolete gun by the time of WW2. the guns used on the modern french tank was usually scavenged from existing tanks from WW1. which led to a performance normally unfit for the tank battle. the original WW1 rounds offering only a velocity of less than 400m/sec was replaced by higher velocity rounds with a Velocity of 600 m/sec from 1935 onward. this allow the French gun to catch up with the modern gun but not yet enough. weighting 110 kg with shielding, the barrel was a calibres 21. having a fire-rate of 20 rounds per minutes, the gun have a pretty good reload speed but the maximum effectiveness of his penetration is about 400m.

=== Available ammunition ===


{| class="wikitable sortable" style="text-align:center" width="100%"
! colspan="8" | Penetration statistics
|-
! rowspan="2" data-sort-type="text" | Ammunition
! rowspan="2" | Type of warhead
! colspan="6" | '''Penetration @ 0° Angle of Attack (mm)'''
|-
! 10 m !! 100 m !! 500 m !! 1,000 m !! 1,500 m !! 2,000 m
|-
| Mle1937 || APCR || 36 || 33 || 24 || 16 || 8 || 5
|-
| Mle1892 || APHE || 13 || 12 || 7 || 4 || 2 || 2
|-
|}
{| class="wikitable sortable" style="text-align:center" width="100%"
! colspan="10" | Shell details
|-
! rowspan="2" data-sort-type="text" | Ammunition
! rowspan="2" | Type of warhead
! rowspan="2" | Velocity (m/s)
! rowspan="2" | Projectile Mass (kg)
! rowspan="2" | Fuse delay (m)
! rowspan="2" | Fuse sensitivity (mm)
! rowspan="2" | Explosive Mass (TNT equivalent) (g)
! colspan="3" | Ricochet
|-
! 0% !! 50% !! 100%
|-
| Mle1937 || APCR || 600 || 0.5 || N/A || N/A || N/A || 66° || 70° || 72°
|-
| Mle1892 || APHE || 388 || 0.5 || 1.2 || 6.0 || 15 || 47° || 60° || 65°
|-
|}
[[File:PenetrationChart SA 18 (37 mm).png|center|x300px|SA 18 penetration chart]]

=== Comparison with analogues ===


{| class="wikitable"
! colspan="6" | Comparable cannons to the SA 18 L/21
|-
! Nation
! Name
! Year of Production
! RPM
! Ammunition
! Maximum Penetration
|-
| GER
| [[PaK L/45 (37 mm)]]
| 1934
| 15 RPM
| PzGr
| 47 mm
|-
|}

== Usage in battles ==


The SA18 L/21 is, unfortunately, a gun in the wrong world war. Originally intended as a short-range support gun for easy transportation, it was designed as a basic, short-barrelled gun. While this meant it excelled in the role that it was intended for on the battlefields of the First World War, it also meant it quickly became obsolete in view of tank development on the eve of the Second World War. When used in combat against early World War II armour, it is only effective at very short range. If confronted with anything further than 100 yards with more than 30 mm or armour - hold fire if you don't want to attract the enemy's attention.

=== Pros and cons ===


'''Pros:'''

* Very high firing rate
* Relatively accurate gun

'''Cons:'''

* Lack of penetration power (and that is an understatement)
* Light APCR round, doesn't do much damage upon penetration
* Low muzzle velocity, shell drops off very quickly, severely limiting its effective range

== History ==


The 37 mm Puteaux SA18 cannon started life as a development of the ''Canon de 37 mm à tir rapide Modèle 1916'' (SA16), a small but powerful, portable infantry support gun designed by Eugène François Gilbert Garnier (1874-1964) on the instigation of the generals Jean Estienne and Ferdinand Foch. The original purpose of the SA16 was a light gun capable of demolishing pillboxes and gunner nests, with a high rate of fire. Due to its intended use, its range was not considered a priority as part of the gun's design: the result was a relatively small and light weapon, with very high accuracy. When operated by an experienced crew, the gun could fire up to 15 shots per minute, although it had a practical firing rate of 10 shots per minute under normal circumstances. Despite its relatively small size, the original infantry gun would be operated by a crew of 8, consisting of commander, aimer, gunner, four ammunition handlers and one armourer.

With the advent of the first tanks, a variant of the SA16 was developed which could be operated by a single crew member. This gun, the SA18, was technically similar to the SA16 and capable of firing the same ammunition. Crucially though, the gun was never intended as an anti-tank weapon: its primary goal remained that of infantry support gun tasked with destroying enemy machine gun emplacements, the only thing conceptually changing was the addition of a self-propelling function (''i.e. the Renault FT-17 tank built around it, allowing it to autonomously move on the battlefield rather than being fired from a static position'').

The end of the First World War more or less brought tank development to a halt in Europe. In the absence of any concrete threat and with French tank doctrine firmly based on experience during the First World War, the SA18 was seen as sufficient for the task of providing supporting fire for infantry against enemy troops and fixed gun emplacements. Added to this, the reconstruction of France after the destruction of the First World War and the worldwide economic crisis which erupted at the end of the 1920s, combined with a general anti-war sentiment reigning in politics meant there were little in the way of funds available for the development and replacement of the SA18. Even with a new generation of tanks which were developed at the beginning of the 1930s, these were armed by simply removing the SA18s from the Renault FTs they were supposed to replace and then installing them on the new tanks. As a result, this new generation of tanks, the [[H.35|Hotchkiss H.35]], [[FCM.36|Forges & Chantiers de la Méditerrannée FCM.36]] and the Renault R.35 entered production with the outdated gun, even though attempts were made to improve its capabilities by the development of new types of shells. The ''Obus de rupture Modèle 1935'' APCR round offered a higher muzzle velocity than previous ammunition used on the gun, but as it was relatively light it could only do little damage even when if it by chance happened to penetrate.

By this time, the SA18 was seen as an interim solution: the FCM.36, for instance, had been designed with the SA38 in mind, and it received the SA18 with the intention of having it replaced at later date with the SA38. However, owing to a weak turret ring and other structural problems, this refit never came to be, and the FCM.36 entered battle in May of 1940 with a gun that was virtually incapable of penetrating any of the enemy armour it would oppose.

Despite being completely obsolete by the outbreak of World War II, the SA18 and its infantry counterpart, the SA16, were still widely in service and saw combat with several armies, such as France, Belgium, Poland, Yugoslavia and Finland.

{{sp-begin|Historical rounds details}}

While In-game only a limited number of ammunition was made available for this armament, the SA18 was having a pretty wide range of ammunition available. sadly most of them are simply too weak to make it to the game while other could really make the gun back to a competitive standard.

those performance are estimation based on the information available and might not be 100% accurate
{| class="wikitable"
! colspan="8" |Penetration statistics
|-
! rowspan="2" |Ammunition
! rowspan="2" |Type of
warhead
! colspan="6" |Penetration @ 0° Angle of Attack (mm)
|-
!10 m
!100 m
!500 m
!1,000 m
!1,500 m
!2,000 m
|-
|'''Mle 1888'''
|APHE
|12
|10
|6
|4
|2
|1
|-
|'''Mle 1916'''
|AP
|16
|14
|9
|7
|5
|2
|-
|'''1892 m.24'''
|APHE
|16
|14
|8
|6
|4
|2
|-
|'''Mle1935'''
|APCR
|27
|24
|15
|10
|8
|6
|-
|'''Mle1937'''
|APCR
|36
|28
|18
|12
|9
|8
|-
|'''Brandt 37/25'''
|APDS
|54
|51
|45
|38
|30
|23
|-
|'''Mle 1916'''
|HE
|2
|2
|2
|2
|2
|2
|-
|'''Mle1937'''
|HE
|3
|3
|3
|3
|3
|3
|}
{| class="wikitable"
! colspan="10" |Shell details
|-
! rowspan="2" |Ammunition
! rowspan="2" |Type of
warhead
! rowspan="2" |Velocity
(m/s)
! rowspan="2" |Projectile
Mass (kg)
! rowspan="2" |Fuse delay
(m)
! rowspan="2" |Fuse sensitivity
(mm)
! rowspan="2" |Explosive Mass
(TNT equivalent) (g)
! colspan="3" |Ricochet
|-
!0%
!50%
!100%
|-
|'''Mle 1888'''
|APHE
|401
|0.455
|0.5
|0.1
|22
|47°
|60°
|66°
|-
|'''Mle 1916'''
|AP
|410
|0.45
|N/A
|N/A
|N/A
|47°
|60°
|65°
|-
|'''Mle 1892 m.24'''
|APHE
|388
|0.555
|0.5
|0.1
|15
|47°
|60°
|65°
|-
|'''Mle 1935'''
|APCR
|600
|0.39
|N/A
|N/A
|N/A
|66°
|70°
|72°
|-
|'''Mle 1937'''
|APCR
|600
|0.5
|N/A
|N/A
|N/A
|66°
|70°
|72°
|-
|'''Brandt 37/25'''
|APDS
|825
|0.30
|N/A
|N/A
|N/A
|75°
|78°
|80°
|-
|'''Mle 1888'''
|HE
|440
|0.367
|0.01
|0.1
|30
|79°
|80°
|81°
|-
|'''Mle 1937'''
|HE
|440
|0.555
|0.01
|0.1
|56
|79°
|80°
|81°
|}
'''Obus en fonte Mle 1888 (APHE)'''

this was a training round who had a blunt tip.

Weight : 455 g

Velocity : 401 m/sec

explosive filler : 22 g

'''Obus de rupture Mle 1892 m.24 (APHE)'''

this rounds was the most used rounds for the SA18. initially design for usage in WW2, this rounds was meant to provide some support against rather hard target such as the house, pillbox and trench. but not really made for armoured vehicles as it was designed in a time where there was no armoured vehicles. it was made of steel with a bit of explosive filler made of black powder.

Weight : 555 g

Velocity : 388 m/sec

explosive filler : 15 g

'''Obus ogival plein Mle 1916'''

initially used for instruction, it was used in WW2 for anti-tank purpose. this round was a simple round made of steel. it could not really be effective against a proper tank, but an armoured car, it would be capable to destroy it.

Weight : 450 g

Velocity : 401 m/sec

'''Obus de rupture Mle 1935 (APCR)'''

improved rounds design for anti-tank use. it was solid rounds made of magnesium and hardened steel (possibly having 3% of tungsten). this rounds was producing a white flash at the impact with possible incendiary effect.

Weight : 390 g

Velocity : 600 m/sec

'''Obus de rupture Mle 1937 (APCR)'''

more compact rounds used based on the mle 1935. with a magnesium cloak and hardened steel core. this rounds was producing a white flash at the impact with possible incendiary effect.

Weight : 500 g

Velocity : 600 m/sec

[[File:Brandt 37-25 APDS.jpg|thumb|APDS Brandt 37/25, this rounds was considered as experimental but rush during the last weeks of the battles of france, it is unknown how many was produced before the end, 200,000 was ordered.]]
'''Obus Brandt 37/25 (experimental APDS)'''

experimental sub-caliber round tested in late 1939/1940 to improve the 37mm gun, this rounds was said to be capable to provide a performance similar tot eh 25mm SA34 anti-tank gun. it was made with a 25mm projectile with a possible 20mm tungsten core. there seem to had been an order of 200,000 of those rounds for the infantry but there is no details about this order was delivered or not. this rounds in particular could offer the SA18 a real improvement in firepower.

there is not much details about this rounds weight,the weight can be estimate between 295 and 310 gr.

Weight : 305 g

Velocity : 825 m/sec

'''Obus explosif Mle 1916 (HE)'''

standard ww1 explosive round used for support and clearing the trench.

Weight : 367 g

Velocity : 440 m/sec

explosive filler : 30 g

'''Obus explosif Mle 1937 (HE)'''

improved explosive rounds who carry more explosive than the previous one making it a rather good support round.

Weight : 555 g

Velocity : 440 m/sec

explosive filler : 56 g

{{sp-end}}

== Media ==
''Excellent additions to the article would be video guides, screenshots from the game, and photos.''

== See also ==


* [[PaK L/45 (37 mm)]] - 37 mm German cannon, used by the [[Sd.Kfz.251/10]]

== External links ==


* [[wikipedia:Puteaux_SA_18|[Wikipedia] Puteaux SA 18]]
* [https://imgur.com/a/KeqAIQl French manual of 37mm rounds]
* [https://imgur.com/a/WJuHjJF French Manual of the 37mm TR 16 from WW2]
* [https://imgur.com/a/ep6AQj9 Conversation of the investigation on the battle of france (chief engineer talk about experimental rounds)]
* France 1940, L'armement terreste, by stéphane Ferrard, page 93-94

{{France tank cannons}}
[[Category:Tank cannons]]

SA18 L/21 (37 mm)

2022-07-26T15:44:59Z

U39663486: add info on historical rounds (in spoiler to not mistake it from the in-game rounds)

== Description ==
[[File:Canon de 37mm SA18 .jpg|thumb|37mm Puteaux SA18 as mounted in the French Tanks]]
The '''Puteaux SA 18''' (or '''37 mm SA 18 L/21 Puteaux''') is a gun that first saw use in the First World War, but also the Second World War. It was primarily mounted armoured vehicles and its main use was to suppress the enemy machine gun nests, pillboxes but also infantry. It was a simple and reliable weapon for its role, with a high rate of fire, low chance of jamming and it required only a single person to use effectively. There was a sight mounted to the left of the weapon, which allowed consistent and accurate suppressing fire. Although its penetration power wasn't something to brag about, it was just enough to penetrate most armoured cars of that time.

Adapted from the SA16 infantry support gun, it first appeared as the main armament of the revolutionary Renault FT series. Unfortunately, by the outbreak of World War II its penetration power had fallen well behind armour development.

=== Vehicles equipped with this weapon ===


* {{Specs-Link|fr_fcm_36}}
* {{Specs-Link|fr_hotchkiss_h35}}

== General info ==

The Puteaux SA 18, or Semi-Automatique 1918 Puteux, was a obsolete gun by the time of WW2. the guns used on the modern french tank was usually scavenged from existing tanks from WW1. which led to a performance normally unfit for the tank battle. the original WW1 rounds offering only a velocity of less than 400m/sec was replaced by higher velocity rounds with a Velocity of 600 m/sec from 1935 onward. this allow the French gun to catch up with the modern gun but not yet enough. weighting 110 kg with shielding, the barrel was a calibres 21. having a fire-rate of 20 rounds per minutes, the gun have a pretty good reload speed but the maximum effectiveness of his penetration is about 400m.

=== Available ammunition ===


{| class="wikitable sortable" style="text-align:center" width="100%"
! colspan="8" | Penetration statistics
|-
! rowspan="2" data-sort-type="text" | Ammunition
! rowspan="2" | Type of warhead
! colspan="6" | '''Penetration @ 0° Angle of Attack (mm)'''
|-
! 10 m !! 100 m !! 500 m !! 1,000 m !! 1,500 m !! 2,000 m
|-
| Mle1937 || APCR || 36 || 33 || 24 || 16 || 8 || 5
|-
| Mle1892 || APHE || 13 || 12 || 7 || 4 || 2 || 2
|-
|}
{| class="wikitable sortable" style="text-align:center" width="100%"
! colspan="10" | Shell details
|-
! rowspan="2" data-sort-type="text" | Ammunition
! rowspan="2" | Type of warhead
! rowspan="2" | Velocity (m/s)
! rowspan="2" | Projectile Mass (kg)
! rowspan="2" | Fuse delay (m)
! rowspan="2" | Fuse sensitivity (mm)
! rowspan="2" | Explosive Mass (TNT equivalent) (g)
! colspan="3" | Ricochet
|-
! 0% !! 50% !! 100%
|-
| Mle1937 || APCR || 600 || 0.5 || N/A || N/A || N/A || 66° || 70° || 72°
|-
| Mle1892 || APHE || 388 || 0.5 || 1.2 || 6.0 || 15 || 47° || 60° || 65°
|-
|}
[[File:PenetrationChart SA 18 (37 mm).png|center|x300px|SA 18 penetration chart]]

=== Comparison with analogues ===


{| class="wikitable"
! colspan="6" | Comparable cannons to the SA 18 L/21
|-
! Nation
! Name
! Year of Production
! RPM
! Ammunition
! Maximum Penetration
|-
| GER
| [[PaK L/45 (37 mm)]]
| 1934
| 15 RPM
| PzGr
| 47 mm
|-
|}

== Usage in battles ==


The SA18 L/21 is, unfortunately, a gun in the wrong world war. Originally intended as a short-range support gun for easy transportation, it was designed as a basic, short-barrelled gun. While this meant it excelled in the role that it was intended for on the battlefields of the First World War, it also meant it quickly became obsolete in view of tank development on the eve of the Second World War. When used in combat against early World War II armour, it is only effective at very short range. If confronted with anything further than 100 yards with more than 30 mm or armour - hold fire if you don't want to attract the enemy's attention.

=== Pros and cons ===


'''Pros:'''

* Very high firing rate
* Relatively accurate gun

'''Cons:'''

* Lack of penetration power (and that is an understatement)
* Light APCR round, doesn't do much damage upon penetration
* Low muzzle velocity, shell drops off very quickly, severely limiting its effective range

== History ==


The 37 mm Puteaux SA18 cannon started life as a development of the ''Canon de 37 mm à tir rapide Modèle 1916'' (SA16), a small but powerful, portable infantry support gun designed by Eugène François Gilbert Garnier (1874-1964) on the instigation of the generals Jean Estienne and Ferdinand Foch. The original purpose of the SA16 was a light gun capable of demolishing pillboxes and gunner nests, with a high rate of fire. Due to its intended use, its range was not considered a priority as part of the gun's design: the result was a relatively small and light weapon, with very high accuracy. When operated by an experienced crew, the gun could fire up to 15 shots per minute, although it had a practical firing rate of 10 shots per minute under normal circumstances. Despite its relatively small size, the original infantry gun would be operated by a crew of 8, consisting of commander, aimer, gunner, four ammunition handlers and one armourer.

With the advent of the first tanks, a variant of the SA16 was developed which could be operated by a single crew member. This gun, the SA18, was technically similar to the SA16 and capable of firing the same ammunition. Crucially though, the gun was never intended as an anti-tank weapon: its primary goal remained that of infantry support gun tasked with destroying enemy machine gun emplacements, the only thing conceptually changing was the addition of a self-propelling function (''i.e. the Renault FT-17 tank built around it, allowing it to autonomously move on the battlefield rather than being fired from a static position'').

The end of the First World War more or less brought tank development to a halt in Europe. In the absence of any concrete threat and with French tank doctrine firmly based on experience during the First World War, the SA18 was seen as sufficient for the task of providing supporting fire for infantry against enemy troops and fixed gun emplacements. Added to this, the reconstruction of France after the destruction of the First World War and the worldwide economic crisis which erupted at the end of the 1920s, combined with a general anti-war sentiment reigning in politics meant there were little in the way of funds available for the development and replacement of the SA18. Even with a new generation of tanks which were developed at the beginning of the 1930s, these were armed by simply removing the SA18s from the Renault FTs they were supposed to replace and then installing them on the new tanks. As a result, this new generation of tanks, the [[H.35|Hotchkiss H.35]], [[FCM.36|Forges & Chantiers de la Méditerrannée FCM.36]] and the Renault R.35 entered production with the outdated gun, even though attempts were made to improve its capabilities by the development of new types of shells. The ''Obus de rupture Modèle 1935'' APCR round offered a higher muzzle velocity than previous ammunition used on the gun, but as it was relatively light it could only do little damage even when if it by chance happened to penetrate.

By this time, the SA18 was seen as an interim solution: the FCM.36, for instance, had been designed with the SA38 in mind, and it received the SA18 with the intention of having it replaced at later date with the SA38. However, owing to a weak turret ring and other structural problems, this refit never came to be, and the FCM.36 entered battle in May of 1940 with a gun that was virtually incapable of penetrating any of the enemy armour it would oppose.

Despite being completely obsolete by the outbreak of World War II, the SA18 and its infantry counterpart, the SA16, were still widely in service and saw combat with several armies, such as France, Belgium, Poland, Yugoslavia and Finland.

{{sp-begin|Hotchkiss Ammunition}}

While In-game only a limited number of ammunition was made available for this armament, the SA18 was having a pretty wide range of ammunition available. sadly most of them are simply too weak to make it to the game while other could really make the gun back to a competitive standard.

those performance are estimation based on the information available and might not be 100% accurate
{| class="wikitable"
! colspan="8" |Penetration statistics
|-
! rowspan="2" |Ammunition
! rowspan="2" |Type of
warhead
! colspan="6" |Penetration @ 0° Angle of Attack (mm)
|-
!10 m
!100 m
!500 m
!1,000 m
!1,500 m
!2,000 m
|-
|'''Mle 1888'''
|APHE
|12
|10
|6
|4
|2
|1
|-
|'''Mle 1916'''
|AP
|16
|14
|9
|7
|5
|2
|-
|'''1892 m.24'''
|APHE
|16
|14
|8
|6
|4
|2
|-
|'''Mle1935'''
|APCR
|27
|24
|15
|10
|8
|6
|-
|'''Mle1937'''
|APCR
|36
|28
|18
|12
|9
|8
|-
|'''Brandt 37/25'''
|APDS
|54
|51
|45
|38
|30
|23
|-
|'''Mle 1916'''
|HE
|2
|2
|2
|2
|2
|2
|-
|'''Mle1937'''
|HE
|3
|3
|3
|3
|3
|3
|}
{| class="wikitable"
! colspan="10" |Shell details
|-
! rowspan="2" |Ammunition
! rowspan="2" |Type of
warhead
! rowspan="2" |Velocity
(m/s)
! rowspan="2" |Projectile
Mass (kg)
! rowspan="2" |Fuse delay
(m)
! rowspan="2" |Fuse sensitivity
(mm)
! rowspan="2" |Explosive Mass
(TNT equivalent) (g)
! colspan="3" |Ricochet
|-
!0%
!50%
!100%
|-
|'''Mle 1888'''
|APHE
|401
|0.455
|0.5
|0.1
|22
|47°
|60°
|66°
|-
|'''Mle 1916'''
|AP
|410
|0.45
|N/A
|N/A
|N/A
|47°
|60°
|65°
|-
|'''Mle 1892 m.24'''
|APHE
|388
|0.555
|0.5
|0.1
|15
|47°
|60°
|65°
|-
|'''Mle 1935'''
|APCR
|600
|0.39
|N/A
|N/A
|N/A
|66°
|70°
|72°
|-
|'''Mle 1937'''
|APCR
|600
|0.5
|N/A
|N/A
|N/A
|66°
|70°
|72°
|-
|'''Brandt 37/25'''
|APDS
|825
|0.30
|N/A
|N/A
|N/A
|75°
|78°
|80°
|-
|'''Mle 1888'''
|HE
|440
|0.367
|0.01
|0.1
|30
|79°
|80°
|81°
|-
|'''Mle 1937'''
|HE
|440
|0.555
|0.01
|0.1
|56
|79°
|80°
|81°
|}
'''Obus en fonte Mle 1888 (APHE)'''

this was a training round who had a blunt tip.

Weight : 455 g

Velocity : 401 m/sec

explosive filler : 22 g

'''Obus de rupture Mle 1892 m.24 (APHE)'''

this rounds was the most used rounds for the SA18. initially design for usage in WW2, this rounds was meant to provide some support against rather hard target such as the house, pillbox and trench. but not really made for armoured vehicles as it was designed in a time where there was no armoured vehicles. it was made of steel with a bit of explosive filler made of black powder.

Weight : 555 g

Velocity : 388 m/sec

explosive filler : 15 g

'''Obus ogival plein Mle 1916'''

initially used for instruction, it was used in WW2 for anti-tank purpose. this round was a simple round made of steel. it could not really be effective against a proper tank, but an armoured car, it would be capable to destroy it.

Weight : 450 g

Velocity : 401 m/sec

'''Obus de rupture Mle 1935 (APCR)'''

improved rounds design for anti-tank use. it was solid rounds made of magnesium and hardened steel (possibly having 3% of tungsten). this rounds was producing a white flash at the impact with possible incendiary effect.

Weight : 390 g

Velocity : 600 m/sec

'''Obus de rupture Mle 1937 (APCR)'''

more compact rounds used based on the mle 1935. with a magnesium cloak and hardened steel core. this rounds was producing a white flash at the impact with possible incendiary effect.

Weight : 500 g

Velocity : 600 m/sec

[[File:Brandt 37-25 APDS.jpg|thumb|APDS Brandt 37/25, this rounds was considered as experimental but rush during the last weeks of the battles of france, it is unknown how many was produced before the end, 200,000 was ordered.]]
'''Obus Brandt 37/25 (experimental APDS)'''

experimental sub-caliber round tested in late 1939/1940 to improve the 37mm gun, this rounds was said to be capable to provide a performance similar tot eh 25mm SA34 anti-tank gun. it was made with a 25mm projectile with a possible 20mm tungsten core. there seem to had been an order of 200,000 of those rounds for the infantry but there is no details about this order was delivered or not. this rounds in particular could offer the SA18 a real improvement in firepower.

there is not much details about this rounds weight,the weight can be estimate between 295 and 310 gr.

Weight : 305 g

Velocity : 825 m/sec

'''Obus explosif Mle 1916 (HE)'''

standard ww1 explosive round used for support and clearing the trench.

Weight : 367 g

Velocity : 440 m/sec

explosive filler : 30 g

'''Obus explosif Mle 1937 (HE)'''

improved explosive rounds who carry more explosive than the previous one making it a rather good support round.

Weight : 555 g

Velocity : 440 m/sec

explosive filler : 56 g

{{sp-end}}

== Media ==
''Excellent additions to the article would be video guides, screenshots from the game, and photos.''

== See also ==


* [[PaK L/45 (37 mm)]] - 37 mm German cannon, used by the [[Sd.Kfz.251/10]]

== External links ==


* [[wikipedia:Puteaux_SA_18|[Wikipedia] Puteaux SA 18]]
* [https://imgur.com/a/KeqAIQl French manual of 37mm rounds]
* [https://imgur.com/a/WJuHjJF French Manual of the 37mm TR 16 from WW2]
* [https://imgur.com/a/ep6AQj9 Conversation of the investigation on the battle of france (chief engineer talk about experimental rounds)]
* France 1940, L'armement terreste, by stéphane Ferrard, page 93-94

{{France tank cannons}}
[[Category:Tank cannons]]

File:Brandt 37-25 APDS.jpg

2022-07-26T15:42:55Z

U39663486:

This photos was published during a online bidding and is a prove that the Brandt 37/25 was built.

File:Canon de 37mm SA18 .jpg

2022-07-26T15:30:24Z

U39663486:

Puteaux SA 18, image extracted from Wikipedia

Hotchkiss Mle 1930 (13.2 mm)

2022-07-26T04:26:15Z

U39663486: fill up combat usage part + correct the export part of the history (chile never used them even if they wanted it, beside the gun was exported elsewhere with great success)

== Description ==

[[File:Hotchkiss Mle 1929.jpg|right|thumb|13.2mm Hotchkiss Mle 1929 in Naval quadmount]]
The '''13.2 mm Hotchkiss Mle 1930''' is a French-build heavy machine gun for multi-purpose use. Starting as Hotchkiss Mle 1929, the Mle 1930 is a ground-based anti-aircraft designation of the machine gun. It is commonly used as close anti-air defence by the French Navy and also by the French Infantry during the 30s until WW2. The guns was also adapted as main armament for tanks, armoured cars and anti-aircraft vehicles. The Hotchkiss was for France the equivalent of the [[M2HB_(12.7_mm)|M2 Browning]] heavy machine gun.

=== Vehicles equipped with this weapon ===


* {{Specs-Link|fr_citroen_kegresse_p4t}}

== General info ==


The 13.2 mm Hotchkiss offer a good and balanced performance against aircraft and soft targets, but have difficulty against vehicles with more than 20 mm of armour. It feeds from a 30 rounds magazine, which would lead to the weapon's limited capacity to sustain a suppressing fire. The gun has a fire-rate of 450 rounds per minutes, but in practice it would seldom reach 200 rounds per minutes due to the reload and recoil.

=== Available ammunition ===

Only one belt is currently available for the Hotchkiss in the game, the AP-T belt.

'''AP-T belt composition:''' AP-I, API-T

{| class="wikitable sortable" style="text-align:center" width="100%"
! colspan="7" | Penetration statistics
|-
! rowspan="2" data-sort-type="text" | Belt
! colspan="6" | Penetration @ 0° Angle of Attack (mm)
|-
! 10 m !! 100 m !! 500 m !! 1,000 m !! 1,500 m !! 2,000 m
|-
| AP-I || 24 || 23 || 14 || 10 || 7 || 4
|-
| API-T || 24 || 23 || 14 || 10 || 7 || 4
|-
|}
{| class="wikitable sortable" style="text-align:center" width="100%"
! colspan="9" | Belt details
|-
! rowspan="2" data-sort-type="text" | Belt
! rowspan="2" | Velocity (m/s)
! rowspan="2" | Projectile Mass (kg)
! rowspan="2" | Fuse delay (m)
! rowspan="2" | Fuse sensitivity (mm)
! rowspan="2" | Explosive Mass (TNT equivalent) (g)
! colspan="3" | Ricochet
|-
! 0% !! 50% !! 100%
|-
| AP-I || 800|| 0.05 || N/A || N/A || N/A || 47° || 56° || 65°
|-
| API-T || 800|| 0.05 || N/A || N/A || N/A || 47° || 56° || 65°
|-
|}

=== Comparison with analogues ===


* [[M2HB_(12.7_mm)|M2HB (12.7 mm)]] - Similar gun in performance, but a lot more successful. It replaced the Hotchkiss 13.2mm after WW2 for standardization purpose.
* [[Type_93_(13.2_mm)|Type 93 (13.2 mm)]] - Japanese license copy of the Hotchkiss
* [[Breda_Model_31_(13.2_mm)|Breda Model 31 (13.2 mm)]] - Italian license copy of the Hotchkiss

== Usage in battles ==

''This armament is having a relatively small calibre which cause the post-penetration damage to be rather low. in many case, a direct hit of the bullets to the crew might not be enough to knock him out. however, the 30 rounds magazine and fast fire-rate allow the user to place more than a single hit at the time. due to his low penetration, vehicles medium armoured, even amounts of the reserve's level, might prove difficult targets. anything with more than 20mm of armour is better to avoid in combat. if you get close enough to a ground target, you might find this armament rather effective. but i would still strongly suggest to try to get your enemy from the side and rear where they are more vulnerable and pay less attention.''

if you have enough elevation and a transverse speed fast enough to fallow air target, this gun can prove pretty effective against aircraft. a couple hit and the target is likely to either get in fire or lose some part.

=== Pros and cons ===

'''Pros:'''

* Good fire-rate
* Effective against soft target
* Effective against aircraft

'''Cons:'''

* Penetration a bit lacking
* Magazine has only 30-rounds

== History ==

Developed by Hotchkiss & Cie in the middle of the 20s, the Hotckiss Mle 1929 was a multi-purpose heavy machine gun. First used by the French Navy, it was serving as close anti-air defence for the ships for up to 2,500 meters. The Army also adopted the gun, but in the Mle 1930 variants. The difference was that the Mle 1930 wasn't equipped with the sight and mount that allow the machine-gun to be used against the aircraft. The reason was the French army worry about the bullets might fall back on civilian area and potentially kill someone. The Army strictly used this armament as anti-tank and anti-infantry weapons in their official services.

In the 1930s, the French cavalry mounted the 13.2 mm machine gun onto AMR.35 ZT1 reconnaissance vehicles to add some anti-tank capability to defend themselves during missions. This was also attempted on armoured cars such as the Laffly 80AM. Some machine guns were also attended for export, arming anti-aircraft trucks, though the export attempt as anti-aircraft ground had no success. but as an independent heavy machine-gun however, this armament was very successful, been exported notably to Brazil, Poland and Romanian, but also licensed to Italy and Japan. nearly all of which had used the 13.2mm intensively during WW2.

{{sp-begin|Hotchkiss Ammunition}}

{| class="wikitable"
! colspan="8" |Penetration statistics
|-
! rowspan="2" |Ammunition
! rowspan="2" |Type of
warhead
! colspan="6" |Penetration @ 0° Angle of Attack (mm)
|-
!10 m
!100 m
!500 m
!1,000 m
!1,500 m
!2,000 m
|-
|'''Type O'''
|AP
|24
|23
|14
|10
|7
|4
|-
|'''Type OT'''
|AP-T
|24
|23
|14
|10
|7
|4
|-
|'''Type P'''
|APC
|28
|27
|20
|15
|11
|9
|-
|'''Type PT'''
|APC-T
|28
|27
|20
|15
|11
|9
|}
{| class="wikitable"
! colspan="10" |Shell details
|-
! rowspan="2" | Ammunition
! rowspan="2" |Type of
warhead
! rowspan="2" |Velocity
(m/s)
! rowspan="2" |Projectile
Mass (kg)
! rowspan="2" |Fuse delay
(m)
! rowspan="2" |Fuse sensitivity
(mm)
! rowspan="2" |Explosive Mass
(TNT equivalent) (g)
! colspan="3" |Ricochet
|-
!0%
!50%
!100%
|-
|'''Type O'''
|AP
|810
|0.051
|N/A
|N/A
|N/A
|66°
|70°
|72°
|-
|'''Type OT'''
|AP-T
|810
|0.051
|N/A
|N/A
|N/A
|66°
|70°
|72°
|-
|'''Type P'''
|APC
|810
|0.052
|N/A
|N/A
|N/A
|66°
|70°
|72°
|-
|'''Type PT'''
|APC-T
|810
|0.052
|N/A
|N/A
|N/A
|66°
|70°
|72°
|}
[[File:13.2mm Ammunition.jpg|thumb|main combat rounds for the 13.2mm Hotchkiss]]
<div style="text-align: left;">
;'''Cartouche à balle ordinaire O or AP type O'''

The Type O was a standard armour-piercing rounds used against soft target such as infantry, unarmoured vehicles and aircraft. The projectile was made of carbon steel and was capped with lead. There was a brass cloak around the projectile.

The round can be identify by the primer seal painted either black or purple.

*Projectile weight: 51,2 g
*Velocity: 810 m/sec

;'''Cartouche à balle traçante OT or AP-T type OT'''

The Type OT was a standard rounds equipped with a tracer tail. It have the same ballistic as the Type O.

The round can be identify by the primer seal painted green.

;'''Cartouche à balle perforante P or AP type P'''

The Type P round was a armour-piercing hardened round used against armoured target. Rhe projectile was made of alloy Tungsten-steel (3% tungsten, 97% steel) and was tempered. There was a lead cap and brass cloak on the rounds.

The round can be identify by primer seal painted red.

*Projectile weight: 52 g
*Velocity: 810 m/sec

;'''Cartouche à balle perforante traçante PT or AP-T type PT'''

The Type PT was a armour-piercing rounds equipped with a tracer tail. It have the same ballistic as the Type P.

It can be identify by the primer seal painted yellow.
</div>
{{sp-end}}

== Media ==
''Excellent additions to the article would be video guides, screenshots from the game, and photos.''

== See also ==
''Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:''

* ''reference to the article about the variant of the cannon/machine gun;''
* ''references to approximate analogues by other nations and research trees.''

== External links ==
''Paste links to sources and external resources, such as:''

* [https://imgur.com/a/uSJrgKG French Manual of the Hotchkiss Mle 1929]

{{France anti-aircraft guns}}

[[Category:Anti-aircraft guns]]

Hotchkiss Mle 1930 (13.2 mm)

2022-07-26T04:10:12Z

U39663486: just a quick typo mistake (chang 20 for 200)

== Description ==

[[File:Hotchkiss Mle 1929.jpg|right|thumb|13.2mm Hotchkiss Mle 1929 in Naval quadmount]]
The '''13.2 mm Hotchkiss Mle 1930''' is a French-build heavy machine gun for multi-purpose use. Starting as Hotchkiss Mle 1929, the Mle 1930 is a ground-based anti-aircraft designation of the machine gun. It is commonly used as close anti-air defence by the French Navy and also by the French Infantry during the 30s until WW2. The guns was also adapted as main armament for tanks, armoured cars and anti-aircraft vehicles. The Hotchkiss was for France the equivalent of the [[M2HB_(12.7_mm)|M2 Browning]] heavy machine gun.

=== Vehicles equipped with this weapon ===


* {{Specs-Link|fr_citroen_kegresse_p4t}}

== General info ==


The 13.2 mm Hotchkiss offer a good and balanced performance against aircraft and soft targets, but have difficulty against vehicles with more than 20 mm of armour. It feeds from a 30 rounds magazine, which would lead to the weapon's limited capacity to sustain a suppressing fire. The gun has a fire-rate of 450 rounds per minutes, but in practice it would seldom reach 200 rounds per minutes due to the reload and recoil.

=== Available ammunition ===

Only one belt is currently available for the Hotchkiss in the game, the AP-T belt.

'''AP-T belt composition:''' AP-I, API-T

{| class="wikitable sortable" style="text-align:center" width="100%"
! colspan="7" | Penetration statistics
|-
! rowspan="2" data-sort-type="text" | Belt
! colspan="6" | Penetration @ 0° Angle of Attack (mm)
|-
! 10 m !! 100 m !! 500 m !! 1,000 m !! 1,500 m !! 2,000 m
|-
| AP-I || 24 || 23 || 14 || 10 || 7 || 4
|-
| API-T || 24 || 23 || 14 || 10 || 7 || 4
|-
|}
{| class="wikitable sortable" style="text-align:center" width="100%"
! colspan="9" | Belt details
|-
! rowspan="2" data-sort-type="text" | Belt
! rowspan="2" | Velocity (m/s)
! rowspan="2" | Projectile Mass (kg)
! rowspan="2" | Fuse delay (m)
! rowspan="2" | Fuse sensitivity (mm)
! rowspan="2" | Explosive Mass (TNT equivalent) (g)
! colspan="3" | Ricochet
|-
! 0% !! 50% !! 100%
|-
| AP-I || 800|| 0.05 || N/A || N/A || N/A || 47° || 56° || 65°
|-
| API-T || 800|| 0.05 || N/A || N/A || N/A || 47° || 56° || 65°
|-
|}

=== Comparison with analogues ===


* [[M2HB_(12.7_mm)|M2HB (12.7 mm)]] - Similar gun in performance, but a lot more successful. It replaced the Hotchkiss 13.2mm after WW2 for standardization purpose.
* [[Type_93_(13.2_mm)|Type 93 (13.2 mm)]] - Japanese license copy of the Hotchkiss
* [[Breda_Model_31_(13.2_mm)|Breda Model 31 (13.2 mm)]] - Italian license copy of the Hotchkiss

== Usage in battles ==

''Describe the cannon/machine gun in the game - its distinctive features, tactics of usage against notable opponents. Please don't write a "guide" - do not impose a single point of view, but give the reader food for thought.''

=== Pros and cons ===

'''Pros:'''

* Good fire-rate
* Effective against soft target
* Effective against aircraft

'''Cons:'''

* Penetration a bit lacking
* Magazine has only 30-rounds

== History ==

Developed by Hotchkiss & Cie in the middle of the 20s, the Hotckiss Mle 1929 was a multi-purpose heavy machine gun. First used by the French Navy, it was serving as close anti-air defence for the ships for up to 2,500 meters. The Army also adopted the gun, but in the Mle 1930 variants. The difference was that the Mle 1930 wasn't equipped with the sight and mount that allow the machine-gun to be used against the aircraft. The reason was the French army worry about the bullets might fall back on civilian area and potentially kill someone. The Army strictly used this armament as anti-tank and anti-infantry weapons in their official services.

In the 1930s, the French cavalry mounted the 13.2 mm machine gun onto AMR.35 ZT1 reconnaissance vehicles to add some anti-tank capability to defend themselves during missions. This was also attempted on armoured cars such as the Laffly 80AM. Some machine guns were also exported arming anti-aircraft trucks, though the export attempt had little success with the only notable customer being Chile.

{{sp-begin|Hotchkiss Ammunition}}

{| class="wikitable"
! colspan="8" |Penetration statistics
|-
! rowspan="2" |Ammunition
! rowspan="2" |Type of
warhead
! colspan="6" |Penetration @ 0° Angle of Attack (mm)
|-
!10 m
!100 m
!500 m
!1,000 m
!1,500 m
!2,000 m
|-
|'''Type O'''
|AP
|24
|23
|14
|10
|7
|4
|-
|'''Type OT'''
|AP-T
|24
|23
|14
|10
|7
|4
|-
|'''Type P'''
|APC
|28
|27
|20
|15
|11
|9
|-
|'''Type PT'''
|APC-T
|28
|27
|20
|15
|11
|9
|}
{| class="wikitable"
! colspan="10" |Shell details
|-
! rowspan="2" | Ammunition
! rowspan="2" |Type of
warhead
! rowspan="2" |Velocity
(m/s)
! rowspan="2" |Projectile
Mass (kg)
! rowspan="2" |Fuse delay
(m)
! rowspan="2" |Fuse sensitivity
(mm)
! rowspan="2" |Explosive Mass
(TNT equivalent) (g)
! colspan="3" |Ricochet
|-
!0%
!50%
!100%
|-
|'''Type O'''
|AP
|810
|0.051
|N/A
|N/A
|N/A
|66°
|70°
|72°
|-
|'''Type OT'''
|AP-T
|810
|0.051
|N/A
|N/A
|N/A
|66°
|70°
|72°
|-
|'''Type P'''
|APC
|810
|0.052
|N/A
|N/A
|N/A
|66°
|70°
|72°
|-
|'''Type PT'''
|APC-T
|810
|0.052
|N/A
|N/A
|N/A
|66°
|70°
|72°
|}
[[File:13.2mm Ammunition.jpg|thumb|main combat rounds for the 13.2mm Hotchkiss]]
<div style="text-align: left;">
;'''Cartouche à balle ordinaire O or AP type O'''

The Type O was a standard armour-piercing rounds used against soft target such as infantry, unarmoured vehicles and aircraft. The projectile was made of carbon steel and was capped with lead. There was a brass cloak around the projectile.

The round can be identify by the primer seal painted either black or purple.

*Projectile weight: 51,2 g
*Velocity: 810 m/sec

;'''Cartouche à balle traçante OT or AP-T type OT'''

The Type OT was a standard rounds equipped with a tracer tail. It have the same ballistic as the Type O.

The round can be identify by the primer seal painted green.

;'''Cartouche à balle perforante P or AP type P'''

The Type P round was a armour-piercing hardened round used against armoured target. Rhe projectile was made of alloy Tungsten-steel (3% tungsten, 97% steel) and was tempered. There was a lead cap and brass cloak on the rounds.

The round can be identify by primer seal painted red.

*Projectile weight: 52 g
*Velocity: 810 m/sec

;'''Cartouche à balle perforante traçante PT or AP-T type PT'''

The Type PT was a armour-piercing rounds equipped with a tracer tail. It have the same ballistic as the Type P.

It can be identify by the primer seal painted yellow.
</div>
{{sp-end}}

== Media ==
''Excellent additions to the article would be video guides, screenshots from the game, and photos.''

== See also ==
''Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:''

* ''reference to the article about the variant of the cannon/machine gun;''
* ''references to approximate analogues by other nations and research trees.''

== External links ==
''Paste links to sources and external resources, such as:''

* [https://imgur.com/a/uSJrgKG French Manual of the Hotchkiss Mle 1929]

{{France anti-aircraft guns}}

[[Category:Anti-aircraft guns]]

User talk:U39663486

2022-07-26T03:11:57Z

U39663486: /* Copyright images */

== Copyright images ==

Greetings CaID. Wonderful information you are sharing about the French machine guns. Could you please demonstrate that the images you uploaded ([https://wiki.warthunder.com/File:Hotchkiss_Mle_1929.jpg 1] and [https://wiki.warthunder.com/File:13.2mm_Ammunition.jpg 2]) recently are either shareable under their copyright terms or are public domain work? We cannot accept work that may be under private copyright. --[[User:U28580205|U28580205]] ([[User talk:U28580205|talk]]) 02:59, 26 July 2022 (UTC)

Those image are from French military development and military manual who was since been publicly release and are for serial decade subject to any copyright. the original of those image can be found in Châtellerault's archive where all documents can be freely copied under certain condition, in which of is to share a part of the monetary benefits in the case those information might led to a commercial usage. from the moment a french military documents is unclassified, it end up in one of the archive services from which point they are considered as public domain and no more subject to any proper copyright

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Hotchkiss Mle 1930 (13.2 mm)

2022-07-26T02:58:23Z

U39663486: /* Cartouche à balle traçante TO or AP-T type TO */

== Description ==
[[File:Hotchkiss Mle 1929.jpg|thumb|13.2mm Hotchkiss Mle 1929 in Naval quadmount]]
''The Hotchkill Mle 1929 & Mle 1930 was French built heavy machine-gun used for multi-purpose. more commonly used as close anti-air defence by the French Navy, it was also commonly used by the French Infantry during the 30s until WW2. the guns was also adapted as main armament for tanks, armoured cars and anti-aircraft vehicles. it was for France the equivalent of the [https://wiki.warthunder.com/M2HB_(12.7_mm) 12.7mm M2HB]''

=== Vehicles equipped with this weapon ===


* {{Specs-Link|fr_citroen_kegresse_p4t}}

== General info ==
''the 13.2mm Hotchkiss offer a good and balanced performance against aircraft and soft targets, but have difficulty against vehicles with more than 20mm of armour. feed by 30 rounds magazine, it would often show a limited capacity to sustain a suppressing fire. the gun have a fire-rate of 450 Rounds minutes but it practice, it would seldom reach 20 Rounds minutes due to the reload and recoil''

=== Available ammunition ===
[[File:13.2mm Ammunition.jpg|thumb|main combat rounds for the 13.2mm Hotchkiss]]
''Many ammunition are available for those guns, but not all of them are currently in the game''

{| class="wikitable"
! colspan="8" |Penetration statistics
|-
! rowspan="2" |Ammunition
! rowspan="2" |Type of
warhead
! colspan="6" |Penetration @ 0° Angle of Attack (mm)
|-
!10 m
!100 m
!500 m
!1,000 m
!1,500 m
!2,000 m
|-
|'''Type O'''
|AP
|24
|23
|14
|10
|7
|4
|-
|'''Type OT'''
|AP-T
|24
|23
|14
|10
|7
|4
|-
|'''Type P'''
|APC
|28
|27
|20
|15
|11
|9
|-
|'''Type PT'''
|APC-T
|28
|27
|20
|15
|11
|9
|}
{| class="wikitable"
! colspan="10" |Shell details
|-
! rowspan="2" | Ammunition
! rowspan="2" |Type of
warhead
! rowspan="2" |Velocity
(m/s)
! rowspan="2" |Projectile
Mass (kg)
! rowspan="2" |Fuse delay
(m)
! rowspan="2" |Fuse sensitivity
(mm)
! rowspan="2" |Explosive Mass
(TNT equivalent) (g)
! colspan="3" |Ricochet
|-
!0%
!50%
!100%
|-
|'''Type O'''
|AP
|810
|0.051
|N/A
|N/A
|N/A
|66°
|70°
|72°
|-
|'''Type OT'''
|AP-T
|810
|0.051
|N/A
|N/A
|N/A
|66°
|70°
|72°
|-
|'''Type P'''
|APC
|810
|0.052
|N/A
|N/A
|N/A
|66°
|70°
|72°
|-
|'''Type PT'''
|APC-T
|810
|0.052
|N/A
|N/A
|N/A
|66°
|70°
|72°
|}

==== '''Cartouche à balle ordinaire O or AP type O''' ====

it was a standard armour piercing rounds used against soft target such as infantry, unarmoured vehicles and aircraft. the projectile was made of carbon steel and was capped with lead. there was a brass cloak around the projectile.

can be identify by the primer seal painted either Black or Purple

projectile weight : 51,2 g

Velocity : 810 m/sec

==== '''Cartouche à balle traçante OT or AP-T type OT''' ====

it was a standard rounds equipped with a tracer tail. it have the same ballistic as the Type O

can be identify by the primer seal painted Green

==== '''Cartouche à balle perforante P or AP type P''' ====

this round was a armour piercing hardened round used against armoured target. the projectile was made of alloy Tungsten-steel (3% tungsten, 97% steel) and was tempered. there was a lead cap and brass cloak on the rounds

can be identify by primer seal painted Red

projectile weight : 52 g

Velocity : 810 m/sec

==== '''Cartouche à balle perforante traçante PT or AP-T type PT''' ====

it was a armour piercing rounds equipped with a tracer tail. it have the same ballistic as the Type P

can be identify by the primer seal painted Yellow

=== Comparison with analogues ===
''[https://wiki.warthunder.com/M2HB_(12.7_mm) 12.7mm M2HB]'' - Similar gun in performance but a lot more successful. it replace the Hotchkiss 13.2mm after WW2 for standardization purpose.

[https://wiki.warthunder.com/Type_93_(13.2_mm) Type 93 (13.2 mm)]- Japanese license copy

[https://wiki.warthunder.com/Breda_Model_31_(13.2_mm) Breda Model 31 (13.2 mm)] - Italian License copy

== Usage in battles ==
''The Hotckiss Mle 1929 was first used by the French navy in multiple guns mount. this armament was used by them to provide close anti-aircraft support in a range of 2500 m.''

the gun was also carried by the Infantry in tripod as an heavy machine-gun.

during the 30s, it was proposed for export as main armament of anti-aircraft truck. notably for Chile, but without success on export.

During the late 30s, the French cavalry had installed the 13.2mm on the AMR 35 ZT-1 to give the reconnaissance vehicles a bit of anti-tank capacity in order to give it the capacity to defend themselves during their mission.

the French Cavalry also mounted this gun on some of their Armoured car such as the Laffly 80AM

=== Pros and cons ===
'''Pros:'''

* Good fire-rate
* Effective against soft target
* effective against aircraft

*

'''Cons:'''

* penetration a bit lacking
* Magazine of only 30-rounds

*

== History ==
Developed by Hotchkiss & Cie in the middle of the 20s, the Hotckiss Mle 1929 was a multi-purpose heavy machine gun. first used by the French Navy, it was serving as close anti-air defence for the ships. the Army also adopted the gun, but in the Mle 1930 variants. thee difference was the Mle 1930 wasn't equipped with the sight and mount that allow the machine-gun to be used against the aircraft. the reason was the French army worry about the bullets might fall back on civilian area and potentially kill someone. the Army strictly used this armament as anti-tank and anti-infantry weapons in his official services. however, during the exile of the French army, and under Vichy regime, serial field modification appear mounting the 13.2mm Hotchkiss on truck. usually with Naval mount. those was usually used for convoy escort and anti-aircraft defence.

== Media ==
''Excellent additions to the article would be video guides, screenshots from the game, and photos.''

== See also ==
''Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:''

* ''reference to the article about the variant of the cannon/machine gun;''
* ''references to approximate analogues by other nations and research trees.''

== External links ==
''Paste links to sources and external resources, such as:''

* [https://imgur.com/a/uSJrgKG French Manual of the Hotchkiss Mle 1929]

{{France anti-aircraft guns}}

[[Category:Anti-aircraft guns]]

Hotchkiss Mle 1930 (13.2 mm)

2022-07-26T02:55:30Z

U39663486: Penetration corrected from the velocity over the distance based on the manual

== Description ==
[[File:Hotchkiss Mle 1929.jpg|thumb|13.2mm Hotchkiss Mle 1929 in Naval quadmount]]
''The Hotchkill Mle 1929 & Mle 1930 was French built heavy machine-gun used for multi-purpose. more commonly used as close anti-air defence by the French Navy, it was also commonly used by the French Infantry during the 30s until WW2. the guns was also adapted as main armament for tanks, armoured cars and anti-aircraft vehicles. it was for France the equivalent of the [https://wiki.warthunder.com/M2HB_(12.7_mm) 12.7mm M2HB]''

=== Vehicles equipped with this weapon ===


* {{Specs-Link|fr_citroen_kegresse_p4t}}

== General info ==
''the 13.2mm Hotchkiss offer a good and balanced performance against aircraft and soft targets, but have difficulty against vehicles with more than 20mm of armour. feed by 30 rounds magazine, it would often show a limited capacity to sustain a suppressing fire. the gun have a fire-rate of 450 Rounds minutes but it practice, it would seldom reach 20 Rounds minutes due to the reload and recoil''

=== Available ammunition ===
[[File:13.2mm Ammunition.jpg|thumb|main combat rounds for the 13.2mm Hotchkiss]]
''Many ammunition are available for those guns, but not all of them are currently in the game''

{| class="wikitable"
! colspan="8" |Penetration statistics
|-
! rowspan="2" |Ammunition
! rowspan="2" |Type of
warhead
! colspan="6" |Penetration @ 0° Angle of Attack (mm)
|-
!10 m
!100 m
!500 m
!1,000 m
!1,500 m
!2,000 m
|-
|'''Type O'''
|AP
|24
|23
|14
|10
|7
|4
|-
|'''Type OT'''
|AP-T
|24
|23
|14
|10
|7
|4
|-
|'''Type P'''
|APC
|28
|27
|20
|15
|11
|9
|-
|'''Type PT'''
|APC-T
|28
|27
|20
|15
|11
|9
|}
{| class="wikitable"
! colspan="10" |Shell details
|-
! rowspan="2" | Ammunition
! rowspan="2" |Type of
warhead
! rowspan="2" |Velocity
(m/s)
! rowspan="2" |Projectile
Mass (kg)
! rowspan="2" |Fuse delay
(m)
! rowspan="2" |Fuse sensitivity
(mm)
! rowspan="2" |Explosive Mass
(TNT equivalent) (g)
! colspan="3" |Ricochet
|-
!0%
!50%
!100%
|-
|'''Type O'''
|AP
|810
|0.051
|N/A
|N/A
|N/A
|66°
|70°
|72°
|-
|'''Type OT'''
|AP-T
|810
|0.051
|N/A
|N/A
|N/A
|66°
|70°
|72°
|-
|'''Type P'''
|APC
|810
|0.052
|N/A
|N/A
|N/A
|66°
|70°
|72°
|-
|'''Type PT'''
|APC-T
|810
|0.052
|N/A
|N/A
|N/A
|66°
|70°
|72°
|}

==== '''Cartouche à balle ordinaire O or AP type O''' ====

it was a standard armour piercing rounds used against soft target such as infantry, unarmoured vehicles and aircraft. the projectile was made of carbon steel and was capped with lead. there was a brass cloak around the projectile.

can be identify by the primer seal painted either Black or Purple

projectile weight : 51,2 g

Velocity : 810 m/sec

==== '''Cartouche à balle traçante TO or AP-T type TO''' ====

it was a standard rounds equipped with a tracer tail. it have the same ballistic as the Type O

can be identify by the primer seal painted Green

==== '''Cartouche à balle perforante P or AP type P''' ====

this round was a armour piercing hardened round used against armoured target. the projectile was made of alloy Tungsten-steel (3% tungsten, 97% steel) and was tempered. there was a lead cap and brass cloak on the rounds

can be identify by primer seal painted Red

projectile weight : 52 g

Velocity : 810 m/sec

==== '''Cartouche à balle traçante TO or AP-T type TO''' ====

it was a armour piercing rounds equipped with a tracer tail. it have the same ballistic as the Type P

can be identify by the primer seal painted Yellow

=== Comparison with analogues ===
''[https://wiki.warthunder.com/M2HB_(12.7_mm) 12.7mm M2HB]'' - Similar gun in performance but a lot more successful. it replace the Hotchkiss 13.2mm after WW2 for standardization purpose.

[https://wiki.warthunder.com/Type_93_(13.2_mm) Type 93 (13.2 mm)]- Japanese license copy

[https://wiki.warthunder.com/Breda_Model_31_(13.2_mm) Breda Model 31 (13.2 mm)] - Italian License copy

== Usage in battles ==
''The Hotckiss Mle 1929 was first used by the French navy in multiple guns mount. this armament was used by them to provide close anti-aircraft support in a range of 2500 m.''

the gun was also carried by the Infantry in tripod as an heavy machine-gun.

during the 30s, it was proposed for export as main armament of anti-aircraft truck. notably for Chile, but without success on export.

During the late 30s, the French cavalry had installed the 13.2mm on the AMR 35 ZT-1 to give the reconnaissance vehicles a bit of anti-tank capacity in order to give it the capacity to defend themselves during their mission.

the French Cavalry also mounted this gun on some of their Armoured car such as the Laffly 80AM

=== Pros and cons ===
'''Pros:'''

* Good fire-rate
* Effective against soft target
* effective against aircraft

*

'''Cons:'''

* penetration a bit lacking
* Magazine of only 30-rounds

*

== History ==
Developed by Hotchkiss & Cie in the middle of the 20s, the Hotckiss Mle 1929 was a multi-purpose heavy machine gun. first used by the French Navy, it was serving as close anti-air defence for the ships. the Army also adopted the gun, but in the Mle 1930 variants. thee difference was the Mle 1930 wasn't equipped with the sight and mount that allow the machine-gun to be used against the aircraft. the reason was the French army worry about the bullets might fall back on civilian area and potentially kill someone. the Army strictly used this armament as anti-tank and anti-infantry weapons in his official services. however, during the exile of the French army, and under Vichy regime, serial field modification appear mounting the 13.2mm Hotchkiss on truck. usually with Naval mount. those was usually used for convoy escort and anti-aircraft defence.

== Media ==
''Excellent additions to the article would be video guides, screenshots from the game, and photos.''

== See also ==
''Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:''

* ''reference to the article about the variant of the cannon/machine gun;''
* ''references to approximate analogues by other nations and research trees.''

== External links ==
''Paste links to sources and external resources, such as:''

* [https://imgur.com/a/uSJrgKG French Manual of the Hotchkiss Mle 1929]

{{France anti-aircraft guns}}

[[Category:Anti-aircraft guns]]

Hotchkiss Mle 1930 (13.2 mm)

2022-07-26T02:43:47Z

U39663486: corrected the typo and added up picture

== Description ==
[[File:Hotchkiss Mle 1929.jpg|thumb|13.2mm Hotchkiss Mle 1929 in Naval quadmount]]
''The Hotchkill Mle 1929 & Mle 1930 was French built heavy machine-gun used for multi-purpose. more commonly used as close anti-air defence by the French Navy, it was also commonly used by the French Infantry during the 30s until WW2. the guns was also adapted as main armament for tanks, armoured cars and anti-aircraft vehicles. it was for France the equivalent of the [https://wiki.warthunder.com/M2HB_(12.7_mm) 12.7mm M2HB]''

=== Vehicles equipped with this weapon ===


* {{Specs-Link|fr_citroen_kegresse_p4t}}

== General info ==
''the 13.2mm Hotchkiss offer a good and balanced performance against aircraft and soft targets, but have difficulty against vehicles with more than 20mm of armour. feed by 30 rounds magazine, it would often show a limited capacity to sustain a suppressing fire. the gun have a fire-rate of 450 Rounds minutes but it practice, it would seldom reach 20 Rounds minutes due to the reload and recoil''

=== Available ammunition ===
[[File:13.2mm Ammunition.jpg|thumb|main combat rounds for the 13.2mm Hotchkiss]]
''Many ammunition are available for those guns, but not all of them are currently in the game''

{| class="wikitable"
! colspan="8" |Penetration statistics
|-
! rowspan="2" |Ammunition
! rowspan="2" |Type of
warhead
! colspan="6" |Penetration @ 0° Angle of Attack (mm)
|-
!10 m
!100 m
!500 m
!1,000 m
!1,500 m
!2,000 m
|-
|'''Type O'''
|AP
|24
|23
|14
|10
|7
|4
|-
|'''Type OT'''
|AP-T
|24
|23
|14
|10
|7
|4
|-
|'''Type P'''
|APC
|28
|27
|23
|21
|19
|17
|-
|'''Type PT'''
|APC-T
|28
|27
|23
|21
|19
|17
|}
{| class="wikitable"
! colspan="10" |Shell details
|-
! rowspan="2" | Ammunition
! rowspan="2" |Type of
warhead
! rowspan="2" |Velocity
(m/s)
! rowspan="2" |Projectile
Mass (kg)
! rowspan="2" |Fuse delay
(m)
! rowspan="2" |Fuse sensitivity
(mm)
! rowspan="2" |Explosive Mass
(TNT equivalent) (g)
! colspan="3" |Ricochet
|-
!0%
!50%
!100%
|-
|'''Type O'''
|AP
|810
|0.051
|N/A
|N/A
|N/A
|66°
|70°
|72°
|-
|'''Type OT'''
|AP-T
|810
|0.051
|N/A
|N/A
|N/A
|66°
|70°
|72°
|-
|'''Type P'''
|APC
|810
|0.052
|N/A
|N/A
|N/A
|66°
|70°
|72°
|-
|'''Type PT'''
|APC-T
|810
|0.052
|N/A
|N/A
|N/A
|66°
|70°
|72°
|}

==== '''Cartouche à balle ordinaire O or AP type O''' ====

it was a standard armour piercing rounds used against soft target such as infantry, unarmoured vehicles and aircraft. the projectile was made of carbon steel and was capped with lead. there was a brass cloak around the projectile.

can be identify by the primer seal painted either Black or Purple

projectile weight : 51,2 g

Velocity : 810 m/sec

==== '''Cartouche à balle traçante TO or AP-T type TO''' ====

it was a standard rounds equipped with a tracer tail. it have the same ballistic as the Type O

can be identify by the primer seal painted Green

==== '''Cartouche à balle perforante P or AP type P''' ====

this round was a armour piercing hardened round used against armoured target. the projectile was made of alloy Tungsten-steel (3% tungsten, 97% steel) and was tempered. there was a lead cap and brass cloak on the rounds

can be identify by primer seal painted Red

projectile weight : 52 g

Velocity : 810 m/sec

==== '''Cartouche à balle traçante TO or AP-T type TO''' ====

it was a armour piercing rounds equipped with a tracer tail. it have the same ballistic as the Type P

can be identify by the primer seal painted Yellow

=== Comparison with analogues ===
''[https://wiki.warthunder.com/M2HB_(12.7_mm) 12.7mm M2HB]'' - Similar gun in performance but a lot more successful. it replace the Hotchkiss 13.2mm after WW2 for standardization purpose.

[https://wiki.warthunder.com/Type_93_(13.2_mm) Type 93 (13.2 mm)]- Japanese license copy

[https://wiki.warthunder.com/Breda_Model_31_(13.2_mm) Breda Model 31 (13.2 mm)] - Italian License copy

== Usage in battles ==
''The Hotckiss Mle 1929 was first used by the French navy in multiple guns mount. this armament was used by them to provide close anti-aircraft support in a range of 2500 m.''

the gun was also carried by the Infantry in tripod as an heavy machine-gun.

during the 30s, it was proposed for export as main armament of anti-aircraft truck. notably for Chile, but without success on export.

During the late 30s, the French cavalry had installed the 13.2mm on the AMR 35 ZT-1 to give the reconnaissance vehicles a bit of anti-tank capacity in order to give it the capacity to defend themselves during their mission.

the French Cavalry also mounted this gun on some of their Armoured car such as the Laffly 80AM

=== Pros and cons ===
'''Pros:'''

* Good fire-rate
* Effective against soft target
* effective against aircraft

*

'''Cons:'''

* penetration a bit lacking
* Magazine of only 30-rounds

*

== History ==
Developed by Hotchkiss & Cie in the middle of the 20s, the Hotckiss Mle 1929 was a multi-purpose heavy machine gun. first used by the French Navy, it was serving as close anti-air defence for the ships. the Army also adopted the gun, but in the Mle 1930 variants. thee difference was the Mle 1930 wasn't equipped with the sight and mount that allow the machine-gun to be used against the aircraft. the reason was the French army worry about the bullets might fall back on civilian area and potentially kill someone. the Army strictly used this armament as anti-tank and anti-infantry weapons in his official services. however, during the exile of the French army, and under Vichy regime, serial field modification appear mounting the 13.2mm Hotchkiss on truck. usually with Naval mount. those was usually used for convoy escort and anti-aircraft defence.

== Media ==
''Excellent additions to the article would be video guides, screenshots from the game, and photos.''

== See also ==
''Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:''

* ''reference to the article about the variant of the cannon/machine gun;''
* ''references to approximate analogues by other nations and research trees.''

== External links ==
''Paste links to sources and external resources, such as:''

* [https://imgur.com/a/uSJrgKG French Manual of the Hotchkiss Mle 1929]

{{France anti-aircraft guns}}

[[Category:Anti-aircraft guns]]

Hotchkiss Mle 1930 (13.2 mm)

2022-07-25T17:30:18Z

U39663486: /* Available ammunition */

== Description ==
''The Hotchkill Mle 1929 & Mle 1930 was French built heavy machine-gun used for multi-purpose. more commonly used as close anti-air defence by the French Navy, it was also commonly used by the French Infantry during the 30s until WW2. the guns was also adapted as main armament for tanks, armoured cars and anti-aircraft vehicles. it was for France the equivalent of the [https://wiki.warthunder.com/M2HB_(12.7_mm) 12.7mm M2HB]''

=== Vehicles equipped with this weapon ===


* {{Specs-Link|fr_citroen_kegresse_p4t}}

== General info ==
''the 13.2mm Hotchkiss offer a good and balanced performance against aircraft and soft targets, but have difficulty against vehicles with more than 20mm of armour. feed by 30 rounds magazine, it would often show a limited capacity to sustain a suppressing fire. the gun have a fire-rate of 450 Rounds minutes but it practice, it would seldom reach 20 Rounds minutes due to the reload and recoil''

=== Available ammunition ===
''Many ammunition are available for those guns, but not all of them are currently in the game''

{| class="wikitable"
! colspan="8" |Penetration statistics
|-
! rowspan="2" |Ammunition
! rowspan="2" |Type of
warhead
! colspan="6" |Penetration @ 0° Angle of Attack (mm)
|-
!10 m
!100 m
!500 m
!1,000 m
!1,500 m
!2,000 m
|-
|'''Type O'''
|AP
|24
|23
|14
|10
|7
|4
|-
|'''Type OT'''
|AP-T
|24
|23
|14
|10
|7
|4
|-
|'''Type P'''
|APC
|28
|27
|23
|21
|19
|17
|-
|'''Type PT'''
|APC-T
|28
|27
|23
|21
|19
|17
|}
{| class="wikitable"
! colspan="10" |Shell details
|-
! rowspan="2" | Ammunition
! rowspan="2" |Type of
warhead
! rowspan="2" |Velocity
(m/s)
! rowspan="2" |Projectile
Mass (kg)
! rowspan="2" |Fuse delay
(m)
! rowspan="2" |Fuse sensitivity
(mm)
! rowspan="2" |Explosive Mass
(TNT equivalent) (g)
! colspan="3" |Ricochet
|-
!0%
!50%
!100%
|-
|'''Type O'''
|AP
|810
|0.051
|N/A
|N/A
|N/A
|66°
|70°
|72°
|-
|'''Type OT'''
|AP-T
|810
|0.051
|N/A
|N/A
|N/A
|66°
|70°
|72°
|-
|'''Type P'''
|APC
|810
|0.052
|N/A
|N/A
|N/A
|66°
|70°
|72°
|-
|'''Type PT'''
|APC-T
|810
|0.052
|N/A
|N/A
|N/A
|66°
|70°
|72°
|}

==== '''Cartouche à balle ordinaire O or just AP type O for short''' ====

it was a standard armor piercing rounds used against soft target such as infantry, unarmored vehicles and aircraft. the projectile was made of carbon steel and was capped with lead. there was a brass cloak around the projectile.

can be identify by the primer seal painted either Black or Purple

projectile weight : 51,2 g

Velocity : 810 m/sec

==== '''Cartouche à balle traçante TO or AP-T type TO''' ====

it was a standard rounds equipped with a tracer tail. it have the same ballistic as the Type O

can be identify by the primer seal painted Green

==== '''Cartouche à balle perforante P or AP type P''' ====

this round was a armor piercing hardened round used against armored target. the projectile was made of alliage Tunsten-steel (3% tungsten, 97% steel) and was tempered. there was a lead cap and brass cloak on the rounds

can be identify by primer seal painted Red

projectile weight : 52 g

Velocity : 810 m/sec

==== '''Cartouche à balle traçante TO or AP-T type TO''' ====

it was a armor piercing rounds equipped with a tracer tail. it have the same balistic as the Type P

can be identify by the primer seal painted Yellow

=== Comparison with analogues ===
''[https://wiki.warthunder.com/M2HB_(12.7_mm) 12.7mm M2HB]'' - Similar gun in performance but a lot more successful. it replace the Hotchkiss 13.2mm after WW2 for standardization purpose.

[https://wiki.warthunder.com/Type_93_(13.2_mm) Type 93 (13.2 mm)]- Japanese license copy

[https://wiki.warthunder.com/Breda_Model_31_(13.2_mm) Breda Model 31 (13.2 mm)] - Italian License copy

== Usage in battles ==
''The Hotckiss Mle 1929 was first used by the French navy in multiple guns mount. this armament was used by them to provide close anti-aircraft support in a range of 2500 m.''

the gun was also carried by the Infantry in tripod as an heavy machine-gun.

during the 30s, it was proposed for export as main armament of anti-aircraft truck. notably for Chile, but without success on export.

During the late 30s, the French cavalry had installed the 13.2mm on the AMR 35 ZT-1 to give the reconaissance vehicles a bit of anti-tank capacity in order to give it the capacity to defend themself during their mission.

the French Cavalry also mounted this gun on some of their Armoured car such as the Laffly 80AM

=== Pros and cons ===
'''Pros:'''

* Good fire-rate
* Effective against soft target
* effective against aircraft

*

'''Cons:'''

* penetration a bit lacking
* Magazine of only 30-rounds

*

== History ==
Developed by Hotchkiss & Cie in the middle of the 20s, the Hotckiss Mle 1929 was a multi-purpose heavy machine gun. first used by the French Navy, it was serving as close anti-air defence for the ships. the Army also adopted the gun, but in the Mle 1930 variants. thee difference was the Mle 1930 wasn't equipped with the sight and mount that allow the machine-gun to be used against the aircraft. the reason was the French army worry about the bullets might fall back on civilian area and potentially kill someone. the Army strictly used this armament as anti-tank and anti-infantry weapons in his official services. however, during the exile of the French army, and under Vichy regime, serial field modification appear mounting the 13.2mm Hotchkiss on truck. usually with Naval mount. those was usually used for convoy escort and anti-aircraft defence.

== Media ==
''Excellent additions to the article would be video guides, screenshots from the game, and photos.''

== See also ==
''Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:''

* ''reference to the article about the variant of the cannon/machine gun;''
* ''references to approximate analogues by other nations and research trees.''

== External links ==
''Paste links to sources and external resources, such as:''

* [https://imgur.com/a/uSJrgKG French Manual of the Hotchkiss Mle 1929]

{{France anti-aircraft guns}}

[[Category:Anti-aircraft guns]]

Hotchkiss Mle 1930 (13.2 mm)

2022-07-25T17:29:21Z

U39663486: /* Available ammunition */

== Description ==
''The Hotchkill Mle 1929 & Mle 1930 was French built heavy machine-gun used for multi-purpose. more commonly used as close anti-air defence by the French Navy, it was also commonly used by the French Infantry during the 30s until WW2. the guns was also adapted as main armament for tanks, armoured cars and anti-aircraft vehicles. it was for France the equivalent of the [https://wiki.warthunder.com/M2HB_(12.7_mm) 12.7mm M2HB]''

=== Vehicles equipped with this weapon ===


* {{Specs-Link|fr_citroen_kegresse_p4t}}

== General info ==
''the 13.2mm Hotchkiss offer a good and balanced performance against aircraft and soft targets, but have difficulty against vehicles with more than 20mm of armour. feed by 30 rounds magazine, it would often show a limited capacity to sustain a suppressing fire. the gun have a fire-rate of 450 Rounds minutes but it practice, it would seldom reach 20 Rounds minutes due to the reload and recoil''

=== Available ammunition ===
''Many ammunition are available for those guns, but not all of them are currently in the game''

{| class="wikitable"
! colspan="8" |Penetration statistics
|-
! rowspan="2" |Ammunition
! rowspan="2" |Type of
warhead
! colspan="6" |Penetration @ 0° Angle of Attack (mm)
|-
!10 m
!100 m
!500 m
!1,000 m
!1,500 m
!2,000 m
|-
|'''Type O'''
|AP
|24
|23
|14
|10
|7
|4
|-
|'''Type OT'''
|AP-T
|24
|23
|14
|10
|7
|4
|-
|'''Type P'''
|APC
|28
|27
|23
|21
|19
|17
|-
|'''Type PT'''
|APC-T
|28
|27
|23
|21
|19
|17
|}
{| class="wikitable"
! colspan="10" |Shell details
|-
! rowspan="2" | Ammunition
! rowspan="2" |Type of
warhead
! rowspan="2" |Velocity
(m/s)
! rowspan="2" |Projectile
Mass (kg)
! rowspan="2" |Fuse delay
(m)
! rowspan="2" |Fuse sensitivity
(mm)
! rowspan="2" |Explosive Mass
(TNT equivalent) (g)
! colspan="3" |Ricochet
|-
!0%
!50%
!100%
|-
|'''Type O'''
|AP
|810
|0.052
|N/A
|N/A
|N/A
|66°
|70°
|72°
|-
|'''Type OT'''
|AP-T
|810
|0.052
|N/A
|N/A
|N/A
|66°
|70°
|72°
|-
|'''Type P'''
|APC
|810
|0.052
|N/A
|N/A
|N/A
|66°
|70°
|72°
|-
|'''Type PT'''
|APC-T
|810
|0.052
|N/A
|N/A
|N/A
|66°
|70°
|72°
|}

==== '''Cartouche à balle ordinaire O or just AP type O for short''' ====

it was a standard armor piercing rounds used against soft target such as infantry, unarmored vehicles and aircraft. the projectile was made of carbon steel and was capped with lead. there was a brass cloak around the projectile.

can be identify by the primer seal painted either Black or Purple

projectile weight : 51,2 g

Velocity : 810 m/sec

==== '''Cartouche à balle traçante TO or AP-T type TO''' ====

it was a standard rounds equipped with a tracer tail. it have the same ballistic as the Type O

can be identify by the primer seal painted Green

==== '''Cartouche à balle perforante P or AP type P''' ====

this round was a armor piercing hardened round used against armored target. the projectile was made of alliage Tunsten-steel (3% tungsten, 97% steel) and was tempered. there was a lead cap and brass cloak on the rounds

can be identify by primer seal painted Red

projectile weight : 52 g

Velocity : 810 m/sec

==== '''Cartouche à balle traçante TO or AP-T type TO''' ====

it was a armor piercing rounds equipped with a tracer tail. it have the same balistic as the Type P

can be identify by the primer seal painted Yellow

=== Comparison with analogues ===
''[https://wiki.warthunder.com/M2HB_(12.7_mm) 12.7mm M2HB]'' - Similar gun in performance but a lot more successful. it replace the Hotchkiss 13.2mm after WW2 for standardization purpose.

[https://wiki.warthunder.com/Type_93_(13.2_mm) Type 93 (13.2 mm)]- Japanese license copy

[https://wiki.warthunder.com/Breda_Model_31_(13.2_mm) Breda Model 31 (13.2 mm)] - Italian License copy

== Usage in battles ==
''The Hotckiss Mle 1929 was first used by the French navy in multiple guns mount. this armament was used by them to provide close anti-aircraft support in a range of 2500 m.''

the gun was also carried by the Infantry in tripod as an heavy machine-gun.

during the 30s, it was proposed for export as main armament of anti-aircraft truck. notably for Chile, but without success on export.

During the late 30s, the French cavalry had installed the 13.2mm on the AMR 35 ZT-1 to give the reconaissance vehicles a bit of anti-tank capacity in order to give it the capacity to defend themself during their mission.

the French Cavalry also mounted this gun on some of their Armoured car such as the Laffly 80AM

=== Pros and cons ===
'''Pros:'''

* Good fire-rate
* Effective against soft target
* effective against aircraft

*

'''Cons:'''

* penetration a bit lacking
* Magazine of only 30-rounds

*

== History ==
Developed by Hotchkiss & Cie in the middle of the 20s, the Hotckiss Mle 1929 was a multi-purpose heavy machine gun. first used by the French Navy, it was serving as close anti-air defence for the ships. the Army also adopted the gun, but in the Mle 1930 variants. thee difference was the Mle 1930 wasn't equipped with the sight and mount that allow the machine-gun to be used against the aircraft. the reason was the French army worry about the bullets might fall back on civilian area and potentially kill someone. the Army strictly used this armament as anti-tank and anti-infantry weapons in his official services. however, during the exile of the French army, and under Vichy regime, serial field modification appear mounting the 13.2mm Hotchkiss on truck. usually with Naval mount. those was usually used for convoy escort and anti-aircraft defence.

== Media ==
''Excellent additions to the article would be video guides, screenshots from the game, and photos.''

== See also ==
''Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:''

* ''reference to the article about the variant of the cannon/machine gun;''
* ''references to approximate analogues by other nations and research trees.''

== External links ==
''Paste links to sources and external resources, such as:''

* [https://imgur.com/a/uSJrgKG French Manual of the Hotchkiss Mle 1929]

{{France anti-aircraft guns}}

[[Category:Anti-aircraft guns]]

Hotchkiss Mle 1930 (13.2 mm)

2022-07-25T17:25:14Z

U39663486: /* Available ammunition */

== Description ==
''The Hotchkill Mle 1929 & Mle 1930 was French built heavy machine-gun used for multi-purpose. more commonly used as close anti-air defence by the French Navy, it was also commonly used by the French Infantry during the 30s until WW2. the guns was also adapted as main armament for tanks, armoured cars and anti-aircraft vehicles. it was for France the equivalent of the [https://wiki.warthunder.com/M2HB_(12.7_mm) 12.7mm M2HB]''

=== Vehicles equipped with this weapon ===


* {{Specs-Link|fr_citroen_kegresse_p4t}}

== General info ==
''the 13.2mm Hotchkiss offer a good and balanced performance against aircraft and soft targets, but have difficulty against vehicles with more than 20mm of armour. feed by 30 rounds magazine, it would often show a limited capacity to sustain a suppressing fire. the gun have a fire-rate of 450 Rounds minutes but it practice, it would seldom reach 20 Rounds minutes due to the reload and recoil''

=== Available ammunition ===
''Many ammunition are available for those guns, but not all of them are currently in the game''

{| class="wikitable"
! colspan="8" |Penetration statistics
|-
! rowspan="2" |Ammunition
! rowspan="2" |Type of
warhead
! colspan="6" |Penetration @ 0° Angle of Attack (mm)
|-
!10 m
!100 m
!500 m
!1,000 m
!1,500 m
!2,000 m
|-
|'''Type O'''
|AP
|24
|23
|14
|10
|7
|4
|-
|'''Type OT'''
|AP-T
|24
|23
|14
|10
|7
|4
|-
|'''Type P'''
|APC
|28
|27
|20
|14
|10
|7
|-
|'''Type PT'''
|APC-T
|28
|27
|20
|14
|10
|7
|}
{| class="wikitable"
! colspan="10" |Shell details
|-
! rowspan="2" | Ammunition
! rowspan="2" |Type of
warhead
! rowspan="2" |Velocity
(m/s)
! rowspan="2" |Projectile
Mass (kg)
! rowspan="2" |Fuse delay
(m)
! rowspan="2" |Fuse sensitivity
(mm)
! rowspan="2" |Explosive Mass
(TNT equivalent) (g)
! colspan="3" |Ricochet
|-
!0%
!50%
!100%
|-
|'''Type O'''
|AP
|810
|0.052
|N/A
|N/A
|N/A
|66°
|70°
|72°
|-
|'''Type OT'''
|AP-T
|810
|0.052
|N/A
|N/A
|N/A
|66°
|70°
|72°
|-
|'''Type P'''
|APC
|810
|0.052
|N/A
|N/A
|N/A
|66°
|70°
|72°
|-
|'''Type PT'''
|APC-T
|810
|0.052
|N/A
|N/A
|N/A
|66°
|70°
|72°
|}

==== '''Cartouche à balle ordinaire O or just AP type O for short''' ====

it was a standard armor piercing rounds used against soft target such as infantry, unarmored vehicles and aircraft. the projectile was made of carbon steel and was capped with lead. there was a brass cloak around the projectile.

can be identify by the primer seal painted either Black or Purple

projectile weight : 51,2 g

Velocity : 810 m/sec

==== '''Cartouche à balle traçante TO or AP-T type TO''' ====

it was a standard rounds equipped with a tracer tail. it have the same ballistic as the Type O

can be identify by the primer seal painted Green

==== '''Cartouche à balle perforante P or AP type P''' ====

this round was a armor piercing hardened round used against armored target. the projectile was made of alliage Tunsten-steel (3% tungsten, 97% steel) and was tempered. there was a lead cap and brass cloak on the rounds

can be identify by primer seal painted Red

projectile weight : 52 g

Velocity : 810 m/sec

==== '''Cartouche à balle traçante TO or AP-T type TO''' ====

it was a armor piercing rounds equipped with a tracer tail. it have the same balistic as the Type P

can be identify by the primer seal painted Yellow

=== Comparison with analogues ===
''[https://wiki.warthunder.com/M2HB_(12.7_mm) 12.7mm M2HB]'' - Similar gun in performance but a lot more successful. it replace the Hotchkiss 13.2mm after WW2 for standardization purpose.

[https://wiki.warthunder.com/Type_93_(13.2_mm) Type 93 (13.2 mm)]- Japanese license copy

[https://wiki.warthunder.com/Breda_Model_31_(13.2_mm) Breda Model 31 (13.2 mm)] - Italian License copy

== Usage in battles ==
''The Hotckiss Mle 1929 was first used by the French navy in multiple guns mount. this armament was used by them to provide close anti-aircraft support in a range of 2500 m.''

the gun was also carried by the Infantry in tripod as an heavy machine-gun.

during the 30s, it was proposed for export as main armament of anti-aircraft truck. notably for Chile, but without success on export.

During the late 30s, the French cavalry had installed the 13.2mm on the AMR 35 ZT-1 to give the reconaissance vehicles a bit of anti-tank capacity in order to give it the capacity to defend themself during their mission.

the French Cavalry also mounted this gun on some of their Armoured car such as the Laffly 80AM

=== Pros and cons ===
'''Pros:'''

* Good fire-rate
* Effective against soft target
* effective against aircraft

*

'''Cons:'''

* penetration a bit lacking
* Magazine of only 30-rounds

*

== History ==
Developed by Hotchkiss & Cie in the middle of the 20s, the Hotckiss Mle 1929 was a multi-purpose heavy machine gun. first used by the French Navy, it was serving as close anti-air defence for the ships. the Army also adopted the gun, but in the Mle 1930 variants. thee difference was the Mle 1930 wasn't equipped with the sight and mount that allow the machine-gun to be used against the aircraft. the reason was the French army worry about the bullets might fall back on civilian area and potentially kill someone. the Army strictly used this armament as anti-tank and anti-infantry weapons in his official services. however, during the exile of the French army, and under Vichy regime, serial field modification appear mounting the 13.2mm Hotchkiss on truck. usually with Naval mount. those was usually used for convoy escort and anti-aircraft defence.

== Media ==
''Excellent additions to the article would be video guides, screenshots from the game, and photos.''

== See also ==
''Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:''

* ''reference to the article about the variant of the cannon/machine gun;''
* ''references to approximate analogues by other nations and research trees.''

== External links ==
''Paste links to sources and external resources, such as:''

* [https://imgur.com/a/uSJrgKG French Manual of the Hotchkiss Mle 1929]

{{France anti-aircraft guns}}

[[Category:Anti-aircraft guns]]

Hotchkiss Mle 1930 (13.2 mm)

2022-07-25T17:24:58Z

U39663486: /* Available ammunition */

== Description ==
''The Hotchkill Mle 1929 & Mle 1930 was French built heavy machine-gun used for multi-purpose. more commonly used as close anti-air defence by the French Navy, it was also commonly used by the French Infantry during the 30s until WW2. the guns was also adapted as main armament for tanks, armoured cars and anti-aircraft vehicles. it was for France the equivalent of the [https://wiki.warthunder.com/M2HB_(12.7_mm) 12.7mm M2HB]''

=== Vehicles equipped with this weapon ===


* {{Specs-Link|fr_citroen_kegresse_p4t}}

== General info ==
''the 13.2mm Hotchkiss offer a good and balanced performance against aircraft and soft targets, but have difficulty against vehicles with more than 20mm of armour. feed by 30 rounds magazine, it would often show a limited capacity to sustain a suppressing fire. the gun have a fire-rate of 450 Rounds minutes but it practice, it would seldom reach 20 Rounds minutes due to the reload and recoil''

=== Available ammunition ===
''Many ammunition are available for those guns, but not all of them are currently in the game''

{| class="wikitable"
! colspan="8" |Penetration statistics
|-
! rowspan="2" |Ammunition
! rowspan="2" |Type of
warhead
! colspan="6" |Penetration @ 0° Angle of Attack (mm)
|-
!10 m
!100 m
!500 m
!1,000 m
!1,500 m
!2,000 m
|-
|'''Type O'''
|AP
|24
|23
|14
|10
|7
|4
|-
|'''Type OT'''
|AP-T
|24
|23
|14
|10
|7
|4
|-
|'''Type P'''
|APC
|28
|27
|20
|14
|10
|7
|-
|'''Type PT'''
|APC-T
|28
|27
|20
|14
|10
|7
|}
{| class="wikitable"
! colspan="10" |Shell details
|-
! rowspan="2" | Ammunition
! rowspan="2" |Type of
warhead
! rowspan="2" |Velocity
(m/s)
! rowspan="2" |Projectile
Mass (kg)
! rowspan="2" |Fuse delay
(m)
! rowspan="2" |Fuse sensitivity
(mm)
! rowspan="2" |Explosive Mass
(TNT equivalent) (g)
! colspan="3" |Ricochet
|-
!0%
!50%
!100%
|-
|'''Type O'''
|AP-T
|810
|0.052
|N/A
|N/A
|N/A
|66°
|70°
|72°
|-
|'''Type OT'''
|AP-T
|810
|0.052
|N/A
|N/A
|N/A
|66°
|70°
|72°
|-
|'''Type P'''
|APC
|810
|0.052
|N/A
|N/A
|N/A
|66°
|70°
|72°
|-
|'''Type PT'''
|APC-T
|810
|0.052
|N/A
|N/A
|N/A
|66°
|70°
|72°
|}

==== '''Cartouche à balle ordinaire O or just AP type O for short''' ====

it was a standard armor piercing rounds used against soft target such as infantry, unarmored vehicles and aircraft. the projectile was made of carbon steel and was capped with lead. there was a brass cloak around the projectile.

can be identify by the primer seal painted either Black or Purple

projectile weight : 51,2 g

Velocity : 810 m/sec

==== '''Cartouche à balle traçante TO or AP-T type TO''' ====

it was a standard rounds equipped with a tracer tail. it have the same ballistic as the Type O

can be identify by the primer seal painted Green

==== '''Cartouche à balle perforante P or AP type P''' ====

this round was a armor piercing hardened round used against armored target. the projectile was made of alliage Tunsten-steel (3% tungsten, 97% steel) and was tempered. there was a lead cap and brass cloak on the rounds

can be identify by primer seal painted Red

projectile weight : 52 g

Velocity : 810 m/sec

==== '''Cartouche à balle traçante TO or AP-T type TO''' ====

it was a armor piercing rounds equipped with a tracer tail. it have the same balistic as the Type P

can be identify by the primer seal painted Yellow

=== Comparison with analogues ===
''[https://wiki.warthunder.com/M2HB_(12.7_mm) 12.7mm M2HB]'' - Similar gun in performance but a lot more successful. it replace the Hotchkiss 13.2mm after WW2 for standardization purpose.

[https://wiki.warthunder.com/Type_93_(13.2_mm) Type 93 (13.2 mm)]- Japanese license copy

[https://wiki.warthunder.com/Breda_Model_31_(13.2_mm) Breda Model 31 (13.2 mm)] - Italian License copy

== Usage in battles ==
''The Hotckiss Mle 1929 was first used by the French navy in multiple guns mount. this armament was used by them to provide close anti-aircraft support in a range of 2500 m.''

the gun was also carried by the Infantry in tripod as an heavy machine-gun.

during the 30s, it was proposed for export as main armament of anti-aircraft truck. notably for Chile, but without success on export.

During the late 30s, the French cavalry had installed the 13.2mm on the AMR 35 ZT-1 to give the reconaissance vehicles a bit of anti-tank capacity in order to give it the capacity to defend themself during their mission.

the French Cavalry also mounted this gun on some of their Armoured car such as the Laffly 80AM

=== Pros and cons ===
'''Pros:'''

* Good fire-rate
* Effective against soft target
* effective against aircraft

*

'''Cons:'''

* penetration a bit lacking
* Magazine of only 30-rounds

*

== History ==
Developed by Hotchkiss & Cie in the middle of the 20s, the Hotckiss Mle 1929 was a multi-purpose heavy machine gun. first used by the French Navy, it was serving as close anti-air defence for the ships. the Army also adopted the gun, but in the Mle 1930 variants. thee difference was the Mle 1930 wasn't equipped with the sight and mount that allow the machine-gun to be used against the aircraft. the reason was the French army worry about the bullets might fall back on civilian area and potentially kill someone. the Army strictly used this armament as anti-tank and anti-infantry weapons in his official services. however, during the exile of the French army, and under Vichy regime, serial field modification appear mounting the 13.2mm Hotchkiss on truck. usually with Naval mount. those was usually used for convoy escort and anti-aircraft defence.

== Media ==
''Excellent additions to the article would be video guides, screenshots from the game, and photos.''

== See also ==
''Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:''

* ''reference to the article about the variant of the cannon/machine gun;''
* ''references to approximate analogues by other nations and research trees.''

== External links ==
''Paste links to sources and external resources, such as:''

* [https://imgur.com/a/uSJrgKG French Manual of the Hotchkiss Mle 1929]

{{France anti-aircraft guns}}

[[Category:Anti-aircraft guns]]

Hotchkiss Mle 1930 (13.2 mm)

2022-07-25T17:21:07Z

U39663486: /* External links */

== Description ==
''The Hotchkill Mle 1929 & Mle 1930 was French built heavy machine-gun used for multi-purpose. more commonly used as close anti-air defence by the French Navy, it was also commonly used by the French Infantry during the 30s until WW2. the guns was also adapted as main armament for tanks, armoured cars and anti-aircraft vehicles. it was for France the equivalent of the [https://wiki.warthunder.com/M2HB_(12.7_mm) 12.7mm M2HB]''

=== Vehicles equipped with this weapon ===


* {{Specs-Link|fr_citroen_kegresse_p4t}}

== General info ==
''the 13.2mm Hotchkiss offer a good and balanced performance against aircraft and soft targets, but have difficulty against vehicles with more than 20mm of armour. feed by 30 rounds magazine, it would often show a limited capacity to sustain a suppressing fire. the gun have a fire-rate of 450 Rounds minutes but it practice, it would seldom reach 20 Rounds minutes due to the reload and recoil''

=== Available ammunition ===
''Many ammunition are available for those guns, but not all of them are currently in the game''

{| class="wikitable"
! colspan="8" |Penetration statistics
|-
! rowspan="2" |Ammunition
! rowspan="2" |Type of
warhead
! colspan="6" |Penetration @ 0° Angle of Attack (mm)
|-
!10 m
!100 m
!500 m
!1,000 m
!1,500 m
!2,000 m
|-
|'''Type O'''
|AP
|24
|23
|14
|10
|7
|4
|-
|'''Type OT'''
|AP-T
|24
|23
|14
|10
|7
|4
|-
|'''Type P'''
|APC
|28
|27
|20
|14
|10
|7
|-
|'''Type PT'''
|APC-T
|28
|27
|20
|14
|10
|7
|}
{| class="wikitable"
! colspan="10" |Shell details
|-
! rowspan="2" | Ammunition
! rowspan="2" |Type of
warhead
! rowspan="2" |Velocity
(m/s)
! rowspan="2" |Projectile
Mass (kg)
! rowspan="2" |Fuse delay
(m)
! rowspan="2" |Fuse sensitivity
(mm)
! rowspan="2" |Explosive Mass
(TNT equivalent) (g)
! colspan="3" |Ricochet
|-
!0%
!50%
!100%
|-
|'''Type O'''
|AP-T
|810
|0.052
|N/A
|N/A
|N/A
|66°
|70°
|72°
|-
|'''Type O'''
|AP-T
|810
|0.052
|N/A
|N/A
|N/A
|66°
|70°
|72°
|-
|'''Type P'''
|APC
|810
|0.052
|N/A
|N/A
|N/A
|66°
|70°
|72°
|-
|'''Type PT'''
|APC-T
|810
|0.052
|N/A
|N/A
|N/A
|66°
|70°
|72°
|}

==== '''Cartouche à balle ordinaire O or just AP type O for short''' ====

it was a standard armor piercing rounds used against soft target such as infantry, unarmored vehicles and aircraft. the projectile was made of carbon steel and was capped with lead. there was a brass cloak around the projectile.

can be identify by the primer seal painted either Black or Purple

projectile weight : 51,2 g

Velocity : 810 m/sec

==== '''Cartouche à balle traçante TO or AP-T type TO''' ====

it was a standard rounds equipped with a tracer tail. it have the same ballistic as the Type O

can be identify by the primer seal painted Green

==== '''Cartouche à balle perforante P or AP type P''' ====

this round was a armor piercing hardened round used against armored target. the projectile was made of alliage Tunsten-steel (3% tungsten, 97% steel) and was tempered. there was a lead cap and brass cloak on the rounds

can be identify by primer seal painted Red

projectile weight : 52 g

Velocity : 810 m/sec

==== '''Cartouche à balle traçante TO or AP-T type TO''' ====

it was a armor piercing rounds equipped with a tracer tail. it have the same balistic as the Type P

can be identify by the primer seal painted Yellow

=== Comparison with analogues ===
''[https://wiki.warthunder.com/M2HB_(12.7_mm) 12.7mm M2HB]'' - Similar gun in performance but a lot more successful. it replace the Hotchkiss 13.2mm after WW2 for standardization purpose.

[https://wiki.warthunder.com/Type_93_(13.2_mm) Type 93 (13.2 mm)]- Japanese license copy

[https://wiki.warthunder.com/Breda_Model_31_(13.2_mm) Breda Model 31 (13.2 mm)] - Italian License copy

== Usage in battles ==
''The Hotckiss Mle 1929 was first used by the French navy in multiple guns mount. this armament was used by them to provide close anti-aircraft support in a range of 2500 m.''

the gun was also carried by the Infantry in tripod as an heavy machine-gun.

during the 30s, it was proposed for export as main armament of anti-aircraft truck. notably for Chile, but without success on export.

During the late 30s, the French cavalry had installed the 13.2mm on the AMR 35 ZT-1 to give the reconaissance vehicles a bit of anti-tank capacity in order to give it the capacity to defend themself during their mission.

the French Cavalry also mounted this gun on some of their Armoured car such as the Laffly 80AM

=== Pros and cons ===
'''Pros:'''

* Good fire-rate
* Effective against soft target
* effective against aircraft

*

'''Cons:'''

* penetration a bit lacking
* Magazine of only 30-rounds

*

== History ==
Developed by Hotchkiss & Cie in the middle of the 20s, the Hotckiss Mle 1929 was a multi-purpose heavy machine gun. first used by the French Navy, it was serving as close anti-air defence for the ships. the Army also adopted the gun, but in the Mle 1930 variants. thee difference was the Mle 1930 wasn't equipped with the sight and mount that allow the machine-gun to be used against the aircraft. the reason was the French army worry about the bullets might fall back on civilian area and potentially kill someone. the Army strictly used this armament as anti-tank and anti-infantry weapons in his official services. however, during the exile of the French army, and under Vichy regime, serial field modification appear mounting the 13.2mm Hotchkiss on truck. usually with Naval mount. those was usually used for convoy escort and anti-aircraft defence.

== Media ==
''Excellent additions to the article would be video guides, screenshots from the game, and photos.''

== See also ==
''Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:''

* ''reference to the article about the variant of the cannon/machine gun;''
* ''references to approximate analogues by other nations and research trees.''

== External links ==
''Paste links to sources and external resources, such as:''

* [https://imgur.com/a/uSJrgKG French Manual of the Hotchkiss Mle 1929]

{{France anti-aircraft guns}}

[[Category:Anti-aircraft guns]]

Hotchkiss Mle 1930 (13.2 mm)

2022-07-25T17:14:56Z

U39663486: /* Cartouche à balle ordinaire O or just AP type O for short */

== Description ==
''The Hotchkill Mle 1929 & Mle 1930 was French built heavy machine-gun used for multi-purpose. more commonly used as close anti-air defence by the French Navy, it was also commonly used by the French Infantry during the 30s until WW2. the guns was also adapted as main armament for tanks, armoured cars and anti-aircraft vehicles. it was for France the equivalent of the [https://wiki.warthunder.com/M2HB_(12.7_mm) 12.7mm M2HB]''

=== Vehicles equipped with this weapon ===


* {{Specs-Link|fr_citroen_kegresse_p4t}}

== General info ==
''the 13.2mm Hotchkiss offer a good and balanced performance against aircraft and soft targets, but have difficulty against vehicles with more than 20mm of armour. feed by 30 rounds magazine, it would often show a limited capacity to sustain a suppressing fire. the gun have a fire-rate of 450 Rounds minutes but it practice, it would seldom reach 20 Rounds minutes due to the reload and recoil''

=== Available ammunition ===
''Many ammunition are available for those guns, but not all of them are currently in the game''

{| class="wikitable"
! colspan="8" |Penetration statistics
|-
! rowspan="2" |Ammunition
! rowspan="2" |Type of
warhead
! colspan="6" |Penetration @ 0° Angle of Attack (mm)
|-
!10 m
!100 m
!500 m
!1,000 m
!1,500 m
!2,000 m
|-
|'''Type O'''
|AP
|24
|23
|14
|10
|7
|4
|-
|'''Type OT'''
|AP-T
|24
|23
|14
|10
|7
|4
|-
|'''Type P'''
|APC
|28
|27
|20
|14
|10
|7
|-
|'''Type PT'''
|APC-T
|28
|27
|20
|14
|10
|7
|}
{| class="wikitable"
! colspan="10" |Shell details
|-
! rowspan="2" | Ammunition
! rowspan="2" |Type of
warhead
! rowspan="2" |Velocity
(m/s)
! rowspan="2" |Projectile
Mass (kg)
! rowspan="2" |Fuse delay
(m)
! rowspan="2" |Fuse sensitivity
(mm)
! rowspan="2" |Explosive Mass
(TNT equivalent) (g)
! colspan="3" |Ricochet
|-
!0%
!50%
!100%
|-
|'''Type O'''
|AP-T
|810
|0.052
|N/A
|N/A
|N/A
|66°
|70°
|72°
|-
|'''Type O'''
|AP-T
|810
|0.052
|N/A
|N/A
|N/A
|66°
|70°
|72°
|-
|'''Type P'''
|APC
|810
|0.052
|N/A
|N/A
|N/A
|66°
|70°
|72°
|-
|'''Type PT'''
|APC-T
|810
|0.052
|N/A
|N/A
|N/A
|66°
|70°
|72°
|}

==== '''Cartouche à balle ordinaire O or just AP type O for short''' ====

it was a standard armor piercing rounds used against soft target such as infantry, unarmored vehicles and aircraft. the projectile was made of carbon steel and was capped with lead. there was a brass cloak around the projectile.

can be identify by the primer seal painted either Black or Purple

projectile weight : 51,2 g

Velocity : 810 m/sec

==== '''Cartouche à balle traçante TO or AP-T type TO''' ====

it was a standard rounds equipped with a tracer tail. it have the same ballistic as the Type O

can be identify by the primer seal painted Green

==== '''Cartouche à balle perforante P or AP type P''' ====

this round was a armor piercing hardened round used against armored target. the projectile was made of alliage Tunsten-steel (3% tungsten, 97% steel) and was tempered. there was a lead cap and brass cloak on the rounds

can be identify by primer seal painted Red

projectile weight : 52 g

Velocity : 810 m/sec

==== '''Cartouche à balle traçante TO or AP-T type TO''' ====

it was a armor piercing rounds equipped with a tracer tail. it have the same balistic as the Type P

can be identify by the primer seal painted Yellow

=== Comparison with analogues ===
''[https://wiki.warthunder.com/M2HB_(12.7_mm) 12.7mm M2HB]'' - Similar gun in performance but a lot more successful. it replace the Hotchkiss 13.2mm after WW2 for standardization purpose.

[https://wiki.warthunder.com/Type_93_(13.2_mm) Type 93 (13.2 mm)]- Japanese license copy

[https://wiki.warthunder.com/Breda_Model_31_(13.2_mm) Breda Model 31 (13.2 mm)] - Italian License copy

== Usage in battles ==
''The Hotckiss Mle 1929 was first used by the French navy in multiple guns mount. this armament was used by them to provide close anti-aircraft support in a range of 2500 m.''

the gun was also carried by the Infantry in tripod as an heavy machine-gun.

during the 30s, it was proposed for export as main armament of anti-aircraft truck. notably for Chile, but without success on export.

During the late 30s, the French cavalry had installed the 13.2mm on the AMR 35 ZT-1 to give the reconaissance vehicles a bit of anti-tank capacity in order to give it the capacity to defend themself during their mission.

the French Cavalry also mounted this gun on some of their Armoured car such as the Laffly 80AM

=== Pros and cons ===
'''Pros:'''

* Good fire-rate
* Effective against soft target
* effective against aircraft

*

'''Cons:'''

* penetration a bit lacking
* Magazine of only 30-rounds

*

== History ==
Developed by Hotchkiss & Cie in the middle of the 20s, the Hotckiss Mle 1929 was a multi-purpose heavy machine gun. first used by the French Navy, it was serving as close anti-air defence for the ships. the Army also adopted the gun, but in the Mle 1930 variants. thee difference was the Mle 1930 wasn't equipped with the sight and mount that allow the machine-gun to be used against the aircraft. the reason was the French army worry about the bullets might fall back on civilian area and potentially kill someone. the Army strictly used this armament as anti-tank and anti-infantry weapons in his official services. however, during the exile of the French army, and under Vichy regime, serial field modification appear mounting the 13.2mm Hotchkiss on truck. usually with Naval mount. those was usually used for convoy escort and anti-aircraft defence.

== Media ==
''Excellent additions to the article would be video guides, screenshots from the game, and photos.''

== See also ==
''Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:''

* ''reference to the article about the variant of the cannon/machine gun;''
* ''references to approximate analogues by other nations and research trees.''

== External links ==
''Paste links to sources and external resources, such as:''

* ''topic on the official game forum;''
* ''other literature.''

{{France anti-aircraft guns}}

[[Category:Anti-aircraft guns]]

Hotchkiss Mle 1930 (13.2 mm)

2022-07-25T17:13:38Z

U39663486: /* Available ammunition */

== Description ==
''The Hotchkill Mle 1929 & Mle 1930 was French built heavy machine-gun used for multi-purpose. more commonly used as close anti-air defence by the French Navy, it was also commonly used by the French Infantry during the 30s until WW2. the guns was also adapted as main armament for tanks, armoured cars and anti-aircraft vehicles. it was for France the equivalent of the [https://wiki.warthunder.com/M2HB_(12.7_mm) 12.7mm M2HB]''

=== Vehicles equipped with this weapon ===


* {{Specs-Link|fr_citroen_kegresse_p4t}}

== General info ==
''the 13.2mm Hotchkiss offer a good and balanced performance against aircraft and soft targets, but have difficulty against vehicles with more than 20mm of armour. feed by 30 rounds magazine, it would often show a limited capacity to sustain a suppressing fire. the gun have a fire-rate of 450 Rounds minutes but it practice, it would seldom reach 20 Rounds minutes due to the reload and recoil''

=== Available ammunition ===
''Many ammunition are available for those guns, but not all of them are currently in the game''

{| class="wikitable"
! colspan="8" |Penetration statistics
|-
! rowspan="2" |Ammunition
! rowspan="2" |Type of
warhead
! colspan="6" |Penetration @ 0° Angle of Attack (mm)
|-
!10 m
!100 m
!500 m
!1,000 m
!1,500 m
!2,000 m
|-
|'''Type O'''
|AP
|24
|23
|14
|10
|7
|4
|-
|'''Type OT'''
|AP-T
|24
|23
|14
|10
|7
|4
|-
|'''Type P'''
|APC
|28
|27
|20
|14
|10
|7
|-
|'''Type PT'''
|APC-T
|28
|27
|20
|14
|10
|7
|}
{| class="wikitable"
! colspan="10" |Shell details
|-
! rowspan="2" | Ammunition
! rowspan="2" |Type of
warhead
! rowspan="2" |Velocity
(m/s)
! rowspan="2" |Projectile
Mass (kg)
! rowspan="2" |Fuse delay
(m)
! rowspan="2" |Fuse sensitivity
(mm)
! rowspan="2" |Explosive Mass
(TNT equivalent) (g)
! colspan="3" |Ricochet
|-
!0%
!50%
!100%
|-
|'''Type O'''
|AP-T
|810
|0.052
|N/A
|N/A
|N/A
|66°
|70°
|72°
|-
|'''Type O'''
|AP-T
|810
|0.052
|N/A
|N/A
|N/A
|66°
|70°
|72°
|-
|'''Type P'''
|APC
|810
|0.052
|N/A
|N/A
|N/A
|66°
|70°
|72°
|-
|'''Type PT'''
|APC-T
|810
|0.052
|N/A
|N/A
|N/A
|66°
|70°
|72°
|}

==== '''Cartouche à balle ordinaire O or just AP type O for short''' ====

==== it was a standard armor piercing rounds used against soft target such as infantry, unarmored vehicles and aircraft. the projectile was made of carbon steel and was capped with lead. there was a brass cloak around the projectile. ====

==== can be identify by the primer seal painted either Black or Purple ====

==== projectile weight : 51,2 g ====

==== Velocity : 810 m/sec ====

==== '''Cartouche à balle traçante TO or AP-T type TO''' ====

==== it was a standard rounds equipped with a tracer tail. it have the same ballistic as the Type O ====

==== can be identify by the primer seal painted Green ====

==== '''Cartouche à balle perforante P or AP type P''' ====

==== this round was a armor piercing hardened round used against armored target. the projectile was made of alliage Tunsten-steel (3% tungsten, 97% steel) and was tempered. there was a lead cap and brass cloak on the rounds ====

==== can be identify by primer seal painted Red ====

==== projectile weight : 52 g ====

==== Velocity : 810 m/sec ====

==== '''Cartouche à balle traçante TO or AP-T type TO''' ====

==== it was a armor piercing rounds equipped with a tracer tail. it have the same balistic as the Type P ====

==== can be identify by the primer seal painted Yellow ====

=== Comparison with analogues ===
''[https://wiki.warthunder.com/M2HB_(12.7_mm) 12.7mm M2HB]'' - Similar gun in performance but a lot more successful. it replace the Hotchkiss 13.2mm after WW2 for standardization purpose.

[https://wiki.warthunder.com/Type_93_(13.2_mm) Type 93 (13.2 mm)]- Japanese license copy

[https://wiki.warthunder.com/Breda_Model_31_(13.2_mm) Breda Model 31 (13.2 mm)] - Italian License copy

== Usage in battles ==
''The Hotckiss Mle 1929 was first used by the French navy in multiple guns mount. this armament was used by them to provide close anti-aircraft support in a range of 2500 m.''

the gun was also carried by the Infantry in tripod as an heavy machine-gun.

during the 30s, it was proposed for export as main armament of anti-aircraft truck. notably for Chile, but without success on export.

During the late 30s, the French cavalry had installed the 13.2mm on the AMR 35 ZT-1 to give the reconaissance vehicles a bit of anti-tank capacity in order to give it the capacity to defend themself during their mission.

the French Cavalry also mounted this gun on some of their Armoured car such as the Laffly 80AM

=== Pros and cons ===
'''Pros:'''

* Good fire-rate
* Effective against soft target
* effective against aircraft

*

'''Cons:'''

* penetration a bit lacking
* Magazine of only 30-rounds

*

== History ==
Developed by Hotchkiss & Cie in the middle of the 20s, the Hotckiss Mle 1929 was a multi-purpose heavy machine gun. first used by the French Navy, it was serving as close anti-air defence for the ships. the Army also adopted the gun, but in the Mle 1930 variants. thee difference was the Mle 1930 wasn't equipped with the sight and mount that allow the machine-gun to be used against the aircraft. the reason was the French army worry about the bullets might fall back on civilian area and potentially kill someone. the Army strictly used this armament as anti-tank and anti-infantry weapons in his official services. however, during the exile of the French army, and under Vichy regime, serial field modification appear mounting the 13.2mm Hotchkiss on truck. usually with Naval mount. those was usually used for convoy escort and anti-aircraft defence.

== Media ==
''Excellent additions to the article would be video guides, screenshots from the game, and photos.''

== See also ==
''Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:''

* ''reference to the article about the variant of the cannon/machine gun;''
* ''references to approximate analogues by other nations and research trees.''

== External links ==
''Paste links to sources and external resources, such as:''

* ''topic on the official game forum;''
* ''other literature.''

{{France anti-aircraft guns}}

[[Category:Anti-aircraft guns]]

Hotchkiss Mle 1930 (13.2 mm)

2022-07-25T17:11:39Z

U39663486: /* Pros and cons */

== Description ==
''The Hotchkill Mle 1929 & Mle 1930 was French built heavy machine-gun used for multi-purpose. more commonly used as close anti-air defence by the French Navy, it was also commonly used by the French Infantry during the 30s until WW2. the guns was also adapted as main armament for tanks, armoured cars and anti-aircraft vehicles. it was for France the equivalent of the [https://wiki.warthunder.com/M2HB_(12.7_mm) 12.7mm M2HB]''

=== Vehicles equipped with this weapon ===


* {{Specs-Link|fr_citroen_kegresse_p4t}}

== General info ==
''the 13.2mm Hotchkiss offer a good and balanced performance against aircraft and soft targets, but have difficulty against vehicles with more than 20mm of armour. feed by 30 rounds magazine, it would often show a limited capacity to sustain a suppressing fire. the gun have a fire-rate of 450 Rounds minutes but it practice, it would seldom reach 20 Rounds minutes due to the reload and recoil''

=== Available ammunition ===
''Many ammunition are available for those guns, but not all of them are currently in the game''

{| class="wikitable"
! colspan="8" |Penetration statistics
|-
! rowspan="2" |Ammunition
! rowspan="2" |Type of
warhead
! colspan="6" |Penetration @ 0° Angle of Attack (mm)
|-
!10 m
!100 m
!500 m
!1,000 m
!1,500 m
!2,000 m
|-
|'''Type O'''
|AP
|24
|23
|14
|10
|7
|4
|-
|'''Type OT'''
|AP-T
|24
|23
|14
|10
|7
|4
|-
|'''Type P'''
|APC
|28
|27
|20
|14
|10
|7
|-
|'''Type PT'''
|APC-T
|28
|27
|20
|14
|10
|7
|}
{| class="wikitable"
! colspan="10" |Shell details
|-
! rowspan="2" | Ammunition
! rowspan="2" |Type of
warhead
! rowspan="2" |Velocity
(m/s)
! rowspan="2" |Projectile
Mass (kg)
! rowspan="2" |Fuse delay
(m)
! rowspan="2" |Fuse sensitivity
(mm)
! rowspan="2" |Explosive Mass
(TNT equivalent) (g)
! colspan="3" |Ricochet
|-
!0%
!50%
!100%
|-
|'''Type O'''
|AP-T
|810
|0.052
|N/A
|N/A
|N/A
|66°
|70°
|72°
|-
|'''Type O'''
|AP-T
|810
|0.052
|N/A
|N/A
|N/A
|66°
|70°
|72°
|-
|'''Type P'''
|APC
|810
|0.052
|N/A
|N/A
|N/A
|66°
|70°
|72°
|-
|'''Type PT'''
|APC-T
|810
|0.052
|N/A
|N/A
|N/A
|66°
|70°
|72°
|}
'''Cartouche à balle ordinaire O or just AP type O for short'''

it was a standard armor piercing rounds used against soft target such as infantry, unarmored vehicles and aircraft. the projectile was made of carbon steel and was capped with lead. there was a brass cloak around the projectile.

can be identify by the primer seal painted either Black or Purple

* projectile weight : 51,2 g
* Velocity : 810 m/sec

==== '''Cartouche à balle traçante TO or AP-T type TO''' ====
it was a standard rounds equipped with a tracer tail. it have the same ballistic as the Type O

can be identify by the primer seal painted Green

'''Cartouche à balle perforante P or AP type P'''

this round was a armor piercing hardened round used against armored target. the projectile was made of alliage Tunsten-steel (3% tungsten, 97% steel) and was tempered. there was a lead cap and brass cloak on the rounds

can be identify by primer seal painted Red

* projectile weight : 52 g
* Velocity : 810 m/sec

'''Cartouche à balle traçante TO or AP-T type TO'''

it was a armor piercing rounds equipped with a tracer tail. it have the same balistic as the Type P

can be identify by the primer seal painted Yellow
=== Comparison with analogues ===
''[https://wiki.warthunder.com/M2HB_(12.7_mm) 12.7mm M2HB]'' - Similar gun in performance but a lot more successful. it replace the Hotchkiss 13.2mm after WW2 for standardization purpose.

[https://wiki.warthunder.com/Type_93_(13.2_mm) Type 93 (13.2 mm)]- Japanese license copy

[https://wiki.warthunder.com/Breda_Model_31_(13.2_mm) Breda Model 31 (13.2 mm)] - Italian License copy

== Usage in battles ==
''The Hotckiss Mle 1929 was first used by the French navy in multiple guns mount. this armament was used by them to provide close anti-aircraft support in a range of 2500 m.''

the gun was also carried by the Infantry in tripod as an heavy machine-gun.

during the 30s, it was proposed for export as main armament of anti-aircraft truck. notably for Chile, but without success on export.

During the late 30s, the French cavalry had installed the 13.2mm on the AMR 35 ZT-1 to give the reconaissance vehicles a bit of anti-tank capacity in order to give it the capacity to defend themself during their mission.

the French Cavalry also mounted this gun on some of their Armoured car such as the Laffly 80AM

=== Pros and cons ===
'''Pros:'''

* Good fire-rate
* Effective against soft target
* effective against aircraft

*

'''Cons:'''

* penetration a bit lacking
* Magazine of only 30-rounds

*

== History ==
Developed by Hotchkiss & Cie in the middle of the 20s, the Hotckiss Mle 1929 was a multi-purpose heavy machine gun. first used by the French Navy, it was serving as close anti-air defence for the ships. the Army also adopted the gun, but in the Mle 1930 variants. thee difference was the Mle 1930 wasn't equipped with the sight and mount that allow the machine-gun to be used against the aircraft. the reason was the French army worry about the bullets might fall back on civilian area and potentially kill someone. the Army strictly used this armament as anti-tank and anti-infantry weapons in his official services. however, during the exile of the French army, and under Vichy regime, serial field modification appear mounting the 13.2mm Hotchkiss on truck. usually with Naval mount. those was usually used for convoy escort and anti-aircraft defence.

== Media ==
''Excellent additions to the article would be video guides, screenshots from the game, and photos.''

== See also ==
''Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:''

* ''reference to the article about the variant of the cannon/machine gun;''
* ''references to approximate analogues by other nations and research trees.''

== External links ==
''Paste links to sources and external resources, such as:''

* ''topic on the official game forum;''
* ''other literature.''

{{France anti-aircraft guns}}

[[Category:Anti-aircraft guns]]

Hotchkiss Mle 1930 (13.2 mm)

2022-07-25T17:02:15Z

U39663486: /* Comparison with analogues */

== Description ==
''The Hotchkill Mle 1929 & Mle 1930 was French built heavy machine-gun used for multi-purpose. more commonly used as close anti-air defence by the French Navy, it was also commonly used by the French Infantry during the 30s until WW2. the guns was also adapted as main armament for tanks, armoured cars and anti-aircraft vehicles. it was for France the equivalent of the [https://wiki.warthunder.com/M2HB_(12.7_mm) 12.7mm M2HB]''

=== Vehicles equipped with this weapon ===


* {{Specs-Link|fr_citroen_kegresse_p4t}}

== General info ==
''the 13.2mm Hotchkiss offer a good and balanced performance against aircraft and soft targets, but have difficulty against vehicles with more than 20mm of armour. feed by 30 rounds magazine, it would often show a limited capacity to sustain a suppressing fire. the gun have a fire-rate of 450 Rounds minutes but it practice, it would seldom reach 20 Rounds minutes due to the reload and recoil''

=== Available ammunition ===
''Many ammunition are available for those guns, but not all of them are currently in the game''

{| class="wikitable"
! colspan="8" |Penetration statistics
|-
! rowspan="2" |Ammunition
! rowspan="2" |Type of
warhead
! colspan="6" |Penetration @ 0° Angle of Attack (mm)
|-
!10 m
!100 m
!500 m
!1,000 m
!1,500 m
!2,000 m
|-
|'''Type O'''
|AP
|24
|23
|14
|10
|7
|4
|-
|'''Type OT'''
|AP-T
|24
|23
|14
|10
|7
|4
|-
|'''Type P'''
|APC
|28
|27
|20
|14
|10
|7
|-
|'''Type PT'''
|APC-T
|28
|27
|20
|14
|10
|7
|}
{| class="wikitable"
! colspan="10" |Shell details
|-
! rowspan="2" | Ammunition
! rowspan="2" |Type of
warhead
! rowspan="2" |Velocity
(m/s)
! rowspan="2" |Projectile
Mass (kg)
! rowspan="2" |Fuse delay
(m)
! rowspan="2" |Fuse sensitivity
(mm)
! rowspan="2" |Explosive Mass
(TNT equivalent) (g)
! colspan="3" |Ricochet
|-
!0%
!50%
!100%
|-
|'''Type O'''
|AP-T
|810
|0.052
|N/A
|N/A
|N/A
|66°
|70°
|72°
|-
|'''Type O'''
|AP-T
|810
|0.052
|N/A
|N/A
|N/A
|66°
|70°
|72°
|-
|'''Type P'''
|APC
|810
|0.052
|N/A
|N/A
|N/A
|66°
|70°
|72°
|-
|'''Type PT'''
|APC-T
|810
|0.052
|N/A
|N/A
|N/A
|66°
|70°
|72°
|}
'''Cartouche à balle ordinaire O or just AP type O for short'''

it was a standard armor piercing rounds used against soft target such as infantry, unarmored vehicles and aircraft. the projectile was made of carbon steel and was capped with lead. there was a brass cloak around the projectile.

can be identify by the primer seal painted either Black or Purple

* projectile weight : 51,2 g
* Velocity : 810 m/sec

==== '''Cartouche à balle traçante TO or AP-T type TO''' ====
it was a standard rounds equipped with a tracer tail. it have the same ballistic as the Type O

can be identify by the primer seal painted Green

'''Cartouche à balle perforante P or AP type P'''

this round was a armor piercing hardened round used against armored target. the projectile was made of alliage Tunsten-steel (3% tungsten, 97% steel) and was tempered. there was a lead cap and brass cloak on the rounds

can be identify by primer seal painted Red

* projectile weight : 52 g
* Velocity : 810 m/sec

'''Cartouche à balle traçante TO or AP-T type TO'''

it was a armor piercing rounds equipped with a tracer tail. it have the same balistic as the Type P

can be identify by the primer seal painted Yellow
=== Comparison with analogues ===
''[https://wiki.warthunder.com/M2HB_(12.7_mm) 12.7mm M2HB]'' - Similar gun in performance but a lot more successful. it replace the Hotchkiss 13.2mm after WW2 for standardization purpose.

[https://wiki.warthunder.com/Type_93_(13.2_mm) Type 93 (13.2 mm)]- Japanese license copy

[https://wiki.warthunder.com/Breda_Model_31_(13.2_mm) Breda Model 31 (13.2 mm)] - Italian License copy

== Usage in battles ==
''The Hotckiss Mle 1929 was first used by the French navy in multiple guns mount. this armament was used by them to provide close anti-aircraft support in a range of 2500 m.''

the gun was also carried by the Infantry in tripod as an heavy machine-gun.

during the 30s, it was proposed for export as main armament of anti-aircraft truck. notably for Chile, but without success on export.

During the late 30s, the French cavalry had installed the 13.2mm on the AMR 35 ZT-1 to give the reconaissance vehicles a bit of anti-tank capacity in order to give it the capacity to defend themself during their mission.

the French Cavalry also mounted this gun on some of their Armoured car such as the Laffly 80AM

=== Pros and cons ===
'''Pros:'''

* Good fire-rate
* Effective against soft target
* effective against aircraft

*

'''Cons:'''

* penetration a bit lacking
* Magazine of only 30-rounds

*

== History ==
''Examine the history of the creation and combat usage of the weapon in more detail than in the introduction. If the historical reference turns out to be too long, take it to a separate article, taking a link to the article about the weapon and adding a block "/ History" (example: <nowiki>https://wiki.warthunder.com/(Weapon-name)/History</nowiki>) and add a link to it here using the <code>main</code> template. Be sure to reference text and sources by using <code><nowiki><ref></ref></nowiki></code>, as well as adding them at the end of the article with <code><nowiki><references /></nowiki></code>.''

== Media ==
''Excellent additions to the article would be video guides, screenshots from the game, and photos.''

== See also ==
''Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:''

* ''reference to the article about the variant of the cannon/machine gun;''
* ''references to approximate analogues by other nations and research trees.''

== External links ==
''Paste links to sources and external resources, such as:''

* ''topic on the official game forum;''
* ''other literature.''

{{France anti-aircraft guns}}

[[Category:Anti-aircraft guns]]

Hotchkiss Mle 1930 (13.2 mm)

2022-07-25T16:45:42Z

U39663486: /* Available ammunition */

== Description ==
''The Hotchkill Mle 1929 & Mle 1930 was French built heavy machine-gun used for multi-purpose. more commonly used as close anti-air defence by the French Navy, it was also commonly used by the French Infantry during the 30s until WW2. the guns was also adapted as main armament for tanks, armoured cars and anti-aircraft vehicles. it was for France the equivalent of the [https://wiki.warthunder.com/M2HB_(12.7_mm) 12.7mm M2HB]''

=== Vehicles equipped with this weapon ===


* {{Specs-Link|fr_citroen_kegresse_p4t}}

== General info ==
''the 13.2mm Hotchkiss offer a good and balanced performence against aircraft and soft targets, but have dificulty against vehicles with more than 20mm of armour. feed by 30 rounds magazine, it would often show a limited capacity to substain a supressing fire. the gun have a fire-rate of 450 Rounds minutes but it practice, it would seldom reach 20 Rounds minutes due to the reload and recoil''

=== Available ammunition ===
''Many ammunition are available for those guns, but not all of them are currently in the game''

{| class="wikitable"
! colspan="8" |Penetration statistics
|-
! rowspan="2" |Ammunition
! rowspan="2" |Type of
warhead
! colspan="6" |Penetration @ 0° Angle of Attack (mm)
|-
!10 m
!100 m
!500 m
!1,000 m
!1,500 m
!2,000 m
|-
|'''Type O'''
|AP
|24
|23
|14
|10
|7
|4
|-
|'''Type OT'''
|AP-T
|24
|23
|14
|10
|7
|4
|-
|'''Type P'''
|APC
|28
|27
|20
|14
|10
|7
|-
|'''Type PT'''
|APC-T
|28
|27
|20
|14
|10
|7
|}
{| class="wikitable"
! colspan="10" |Shell details
|-
! rowspan="2" | Ammunition
! rowspan="2" |Type of
warhead
! rowspan="2" |Velocity
(m/s)
! rowspan="2" |Projectile
Mass (kg)
! rowspan="2" |Fuse delay
(m)
! rowspan="2" |Fuse sensitivity
(mm)
! rowspan="2" |Explosive Mass
(TNT equivalent) (g)
! colspan="3" |Ricochet
|-
!0%
!50%
!100%
|-
|'''Type O'''
|AP-T
|810
|0.052
|N/A
|N/A
|N/A
|66°
|70°
|72°
|-
|'''Type O'''
|AP-T
|810
|0.052
|N/A
|N/A
|N/A
|66°
|70°
|72°
|-
|'''Type P'''
|APC
|810
|0.052
|N/A
|N/A
|N/A
|66°
|70°
|72°
|-
|'''Type PT'''
|APC-T
|810
|0.052
|N/A
|N/A
|N/A
|66°
|70°
|72°
|}
'''Cartouche à balle ordinaire O or just AP type O for short'''

it was a standard armor piercing rounds used against soft target such as infantry, unarmored vehicles and aircraft. the projectile was made of carbon steel and was capped with lead. there was a brass cloak around the projectile.

can be identify by the primer seal painted either Black or Purple

* projectile weight : 51,2 g
* Velocity : 810 m/sec

==== '''Cartouche à balle traçante TO or AP-T type TO''' ====
it was a standard rounds equipped with a tracer tail. it have the same ballistic as the Type O

can be identify by the primer seal painted Green

'''Cartouche à balle perforante P or AP type P'''

this round was a armor piercing hardened round used against armored target. the projectile was made of alliage Tunsten-steel (3% tungsten, 97% steel) and was tempered. there was a lead cap and brass cloak on the rounds

can be identify by primer seal painted Red

* projectile weight : 52 g
* Velocity : 810 m/sec

'''Cartouche à balle traçante TO or AP-T type TO'''

it was a armor piercing rounds equipped with a tracer tail. it have the same balistic as the Type P

can be identify by the primer seal painted Yellow
=== Comparison with analogues ===
''Give a comparative description of cannons/machine guns that have firepower equal to this weapon.''

== Usage in battles ==
''Describe the cannon/machine gun in the game - its distinctive features, tactics of usage against notable opponents. Please don't write a "guide" - do not impose a single point of view, but give the reader food for thought.''

=== Pros and cons ===
''Summarise and briefly evaluate the weaponry in terms of its characteristics and combat effectiveness. Mark pros and cons as a list.''

'''Pros:'''

*

'''Cons:'''

*

== History ==
''Examine the history of the creation and combat usage of the weapon in more detail than in the introduction. If the historical reference turns out to be too long, take it to a separate article, taking a link to the article about the weapon and adding a block "/ History" (example: <nowiki>https://wiki.warthunder.com/(Weapon-name)/History</nowiki>) and add a link to it here using the <code>main</code> template. Be sure to reference text and sources by using <code><nowiki><ref></ref></nowiki></code>, as well as adding them at the end of the article with <code><nowiki><references /></nowiki></code>.''

== Media ==
''Excellent additions to the article would be video guides, screenshots from the game, and photos.''

== See also ==
''Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:''

* ''reference to the article about the variant of the cannon/machine gun;''
* ''references to approximate analogues by other nations and research trees.''

== External links ==
''Paste links to sources and external resources, such as:''

* ''topic on the official game forum;''
* ''other literature.''

{{France anti-aircraft guns}}

[[Category:Anti-aircraft guns]]

Hotchkiss Mle 1930 (13.2 mm)

2022-07-25T16:42:31Z

U39663486: /* Available ammunition */

== Description ==
''The Hotchkill Mle 1929 & Mle 1930 was French built heavy machine-gun used for multi-purpose. more commonly used as close anti-air defence by the French Navy, it was also commonly used by the French Infantry during the 30s until WW2. the guns was also adapted as main armament for tanks, armoured cars and anti-aircraft vehicles. it was for France the equivalent of the [https://wiki.warthunder.com/M2HB_(12.7_mm) 12.7mm M2HB]''

=== Vehicles equipped with this weapon ===


* {{Specs-Link|fr_citroen_kegresse_p4t}}

== General info ==
''the 13.2mm Hotchkiss offer a good and balanced performence against aircraft and soft targets, but have dificulty against vehicles with more than 20mm of armour. feed by 30 rounds magazine, it would often show a limited capacity to substain a supressing fire. the gun have a fire-rate of 450 Rounds minutes but it practice, it would seldom reach 20 Rounds minutes due to the reload and recoil''

=== Available ammunition ===
''Many ammunition are available for those guns, but not all of them are currently in the game''

{| class="wikitable"
! colspan="8" |Penetration statistics
|-
! rowspan="2" |Ammunition
! rowspan="2" |Type of
warhead
! colspan="6" |Penetration @ 0° Angle of Attack (mm)
|-
!10 m
!100 m
!500 m
!1,000 m
!1,500 m
!2,000 m
|-
|'''Type O'''
|AP
|24
|23
|14
|10
|7
|4
|-
|'''Type OT'''
|AP-T
|24
|23
|14
|10
|7
|4
|-
|'''Type P'''
|APC
|28
|27
|20
|14
|10
|7
|-
|'''Type PT'''
|APC-T
|28
|27
|20
|14
|10
|7
|}
{| class="wikitable"
! colspan="10" |Shell details
|-
! rowspan="2" | Ammunition
! rowspan="2" |Type of
warhead
! rowspan="2" |Velocity
(m/s)
! rowspan="2" |Projectile
Mass (kg)
! rowspan="2" |Fuse delay
(m)
! rowspan="2" |Fuse sensitivity
(mm)
! rowspan="2" |Explosive Mass
(TNT equivalent) (g)
! colspan="3" |Ricochet
|-
!0%
!50%
!100%
|-
|'''Type O'''
|AP-T
|810
|0.052
|N/A
|N/A
|N/A
|66°
|70°
|72°
|-
|'''Type O'''
|AP-T
|810
|0.052
|N/A
|N/A
|N/A
|66°
|70°
|72°
|-
|'''Type P'''
|APC
|810
|0.052
|N/A
|N/A
|N/A
|66°
|70°
|72°
|-
|'''Type PT'''
|APC-T
|810
|0.052
|N/A
|N/A
|N/A
|66°
|70°
|72°
|}
'''Cartouche à balle ordinaire O or just AP type O for short'''

it was a standard armor piercing rounds used against soft target such as infantry, unarmored vehicles and aircraft. the projectile was made of carbon steel and was capped with lead. there was a brass cloak around the projectile.

can be identify by the primer seal painted either Black or Purple

* projectile weight : 51,2 g
* Velocity : 810 m/sec

==== '''Cartouche à balle traçante TO or AP-T type TO''' ====
it was a standard rounds equipped with a tracer tail. it have the same ballistic as the Type O

can be identify by the primer seal painted Green

'''Cartouche à balle perforante P or AP type P'''

this round was a armor piercing hardened round used against armored target. the projectile was made of alliage Tunsten-steel (3% tungsten, 97% steel) and was tempered. there was a lead cap and brass cloak on the rounds

can be identify by primer seal painted Red

* projectile weight : 52 g
* Velocity : 810 m/sec

'''Cartouche à balle traçante TO or AP-T type TO'''

it was a armor piercing rounds equipped with a tracer tail. it have the same balistic as the Type P

can be identify by the primer seal painted Yellow
[[File:13.2mm Ammunition.jpg|thumb|chart of the 13.2mm ammunition used by France]]

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Hotchkiss Mle 1929
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Weapon of type Heavy-machine-gun, used by the Navy and air-force. nearly identical to the 13.2mm Hotchkiss Mle 1930 who was used by the army against ground target.

it was a very common short range SPAA used by the french and also exported all over the world. it is notably used by Italy and Japan who built it under license. it was used in the air force for static AA defense in twin gun mount under the name of Hotchkiss mle 1930 DCA. the navy used it in a lot of ship as AA guns. it was usually in quadri-mount.

Weight: 37.5 kg (single gun)

Magazine: 30 rounds

barrel caliber : L/76

rounds size: 13.2 x 96 mm

Rate of fire: 450 min (200 practical)

practical range: 2500m (1600m vertical)

used in vehicles

Citroen Kegresse P.7.T (currently in-game with a little naming mistake of the guns)

Berliet VPM

Berliet VPR2

Berliet VPH
Citroën-Kégresse P19 AA

Lorraine 28 AA

Ford Stake Bed 1941 AA

many improvised gun truck

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Ammunition Type of
warhead Penetration @ 0° Angle of Attack (mm)
10 m 100 m 500 m 1,000 m 1,500 m 2,000 m
Type O AP 24 23 14 10 7 4
Type OT AP-T 24 23 14 10 7 4
Type P APC 28 27 20 14 10 7
Type PT APC-T 28 27 20 14 10 7
Shell details
Ammunition Type of
warhead Velocity
(m/s) Projectile
Mass (kg) Fuse delay
(m) Fuse sensitivity
(mm) Explosive Mass
(TNT equivalent) (g) Ricochet
0% 50% 100%
Type O AP-T 810 0.052 N/A N/A N/A 66° 70° 72°
Type O AP-T 810 0.052 N/A N/A N/A 66° 70° 72°
Type P APC 810 0.052 N/A N/A N/A 66° 70° 72°
Type PT APC-T 810 0.052 N/A N/A N/A 66° 70° 72°

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Cartouche à balle ordinaire O or just AP type O for short

it was a standard armor piercing rounds used against soft target such as infantry, unarmored vehicles and aircraft. the projectile was made of carbon steel and was capped with lead. there was a brass cloak around the projectile.

can be identify by the primer seal painted either Black or Purple

projectile weight : 51,2 g

Velocity : 810 m/sec

Cartouche à balle traçante TO or AP-T type TO

it was a standard rounds equipped with a tracer tail. it have the same ballistic as the Type O

can be identify by the primer seal painted Green

Cartouche à balle perforante P or AP type P

this round was a armor piercing hardened round used against armored target. the projectile was made of alliage Tunsten-steel (3% tungsten, 97% steel) and was tempered. there was a lead cap and brass cloak on the rounds

can be identify by primer seal painted Red

projectile weight : 52 g

Velocity : 810 m/sec

from the calculation, it would give 27mm at 100 meter, angle 0°

Cartouche à balle traçante TO or AP-T type TO

it was a armor piercing rounds equipped with a tracer tail. it have the same balistic as the Type P

can be identify by the primer seal painted Yellow

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Hotchkiss manual (in the spoiler)
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Kennblätter fremden geräts heft 8a, Munition bis 3,6 cm" Released in Berlin 1941
Manuel du mitrailleur de terre contre avions - Annexe IV - 1935

https://wikimaginot.eu/V70_glossaire_detail.php?id=1000852&su=Munitions_de_13,2_mm__-_

https://www.scribd.com/document/191034538/Hotchkiss-Model-1930-Heavy-Machine-Gun-France

http://www.armeetpassion.com/13,2 x 99.html

https://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=158723

https://www.littlewars.se/french1940/gundata.html

https://www.worldwar2.ro/arme/?article=329

http://www.miniatures.de/anti-tank-weapons-french.html

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13.2mm Hotchkiss Mle 1929 on naval quadmount

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'''this is a remake of the previous catalogue as i just couldn't edit it anymore (too old)'''

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'''here i want to built up a full index that would provide the community with information as accurate and sourced as possible about the french armament and ammunition.'''

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'''I currently rework the format to be more understandable, using similar format as the Wiki from war thunder for the rounds performance. as i up-date them, i add the tag in the topics. if the gun you look for is not yet tagged, that only mean i either didn't updated it, or just didn't wrote anything about it yet,'''

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12.7 mm

13.2mm

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Hotchkiss Mle 1929

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Weapon of type Heavy-machine-gun, used by the Navy and air-force. nearly identical to the 13.2mm Hotchkiss Mle 1930 who was used by the army against ground target.

it was a very common short range SPAA used by the french and also exported all over the world. it is notably used by Italy and Japan who built it under license. it was used in the air force for static AA defense in twin gun mount under the name of Hotchkiss mle 1930 DCA. the navy used it in a lot of ship as AA guns. it was usually in quadri-mount.

Weight: 37.5 kg (single gun)

Magazine: 30 rounds

barrel caliber : L/76

rounds size: 13.2 x 96 mm

Rate of fire: 450 min (200 practical)

practical range: 2500m (1600m vertical)

used in vehicles

[https://wiki.warthunder.com/P.7.T_AA Citroen Kegresse P.7.T] (currently in-game with a little naming mistake of the guns)

[https://i.imgur.com/Nt0Nm3W.jpeg Berliet VPM]

[https://i.imgur.com/0FzETFK.jpeg Berliet VPR2]

[https://i.imgur.com/TTKX5gU.jpeg Berliet VPH]

[https://i.imgur.com/TuE5kFu.jpeg Citroën-Kégresse P19 AA]

[https://i.imgur.com/9aqbM60.jpeg Lorraine 28 AA]

[https://i.imgur.com/z0yboic.jpeg Ford Stake Bed 1941 AA]

many improvised gun truck

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{| class="wikitable"
! colspan="8" |Penetration statistics
|-
! rowspan="2" |Ammunition
! rowspan="2" |Type of
warhead
! colspan="6" |Penetration @ 0° Angle of Attack (mm)
|-
!10 m
!100 m
!500 m
!1,000 m
!1,500 m
!2,000 m
|-
|'''Type O'''
|AP
|24
|23
|14
|10
|7
|4
|-
|'''Type OT'''
|AP-T
|24
|23
|14
|10
|7
|4
|-
|'''Type P'''
|APC
|28
|27
|20
|14
|10
|7
|-
|'''Type PT'''
|APC-T
|28
|27
|20
|14
|10
|7
|}
{| class="wikitable"
! colspan="10" |Shell details
|-
! rowspan="2" | Ammunition
! rowspan="2" |Type of
warhead
! rowspan="2" |Velocity
(m/s)
! rowspan="2" |Projectile
Mass (kg)
! rowspan="2" |Fuse delay
(m)
! rowspan="2" |Fuse sensitivity
(mm)
! rowspan="2" |Explosive Mass
(TNT equivalent) (g)
! colspan="3" |Ricochet
|-
!0%
!50%
!100%
|-
|'''Type O'''
|AP-T
|810
|0.052
|N/A
|N/A
|N/A
|66°
|70°
|72°
|-
|'''Type O'''
|AP-T
|810
|0.052
|N/A
|N/A
|N/A
|66°
|70°
|72°
|-
|'''Type P'''
|APC
|810
|0.052
|N/A
|N/A
|N/A
|66°
|70°
|72°
|-
|'''Type PT'''
|APC-T
|810
|0.052
|N/A
|N/A
|N/A
|66°
|70°
|72°
|}

'''Cartouche à balle ordinaire O or just AP type O for short'''

it was a standard armor piercing rounds used against soft target such as infantry, unarmored vehicles and aircraft. the projectile was made of carbon steel and was capped with lead. there was a brass cloak around the projectile.

can be identify by the primer seal painted either Black or Purple

* projectile weight : 51,2 g
* Velocity : 810 m/sec

==== '''Cartouche à balle traçante TO or AP-T type TO''' ====
it was a standard rounds equipped with a tracer tail. it have the same ballistic as the Type O

can be identify by the primer seal painted Green

'''Cartouche à balle perforante P or AP type P'''

this round was a armor piercing hardened round used against armored target. the projectile was made of alliage Tunsten-steel (3% tungsten, 97% steel) and was tempered. there was a lead cap and brass cloak on the rounds

can be identify by primer seal painted Red

* projectile weight : 52 g
* Velocity : 810 m/sec

from the calculation, it would give 27mm at 100 meter, angle 0°

'''Cartouche à balle traçante TO or AP-T type TO'''

it was a armor piercing rounds equipped with a tracer tail. it have the same balistic as the Type P

can be identify by the primer seal painted Yellow

source

Hotchkiss manual (in the spoiler)

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''Kennblätter fremden geräts heft 8a, Munition bis 3,6 cm" Released in Berlin 1941''

''Manuel du mitrailleur de terre contre avions - Annexe IV - 1935''

https://wikimaginot.eu/V70_glossaire_detail.php?id=1000852&su=Munitions_de_13,2_mm__-_

https://www.scribd.com/document/191034538/Hotchkiss-Model-1930-Heavy-Machine-Gun-France

[http://www.armeetpassion.com/13,2%20x%2099.html http://www.armeetpassion.com/13,2 x 99.html]

https://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=158723

https://www.littlewars.se/french1940/gundata.html

https://www.worldwar2.ro/arme/?article=329

http://www.miniatures.de/anti-tank-weapons-french.html

Hotchkiss Mle 1930

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Weapon of type Heavy-machine-gun, used by the army for anti-personnel and anti-tank used. nearly identical to the 13.2mm Hotchkiss Mle 1929 who was used by the Navy and air-force for AA use.

it was a very common machine-gun used by the infantry. used on many mount, it could be carried by the infantry or used in static defense. very flexible in his used, the army however, avoided to used it as AA weapon as they was considering the bullets to be too dangerous when they fall.

Weight: 37.5 kg

Magazine: 30 rounds (20 rounds if mounted inside a tank)

barrel caliber : L/76

rounds size: 13.2 x 96 mm

Rate of fire: 450 min (200 practical)

practical range: 2500m (1600m vertical)

used in vehicles

[https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/89/Lot-11576-15_%2826973962074%29.jpg/800px-Lot-11576-15_%2826973962074%29.jpg Laffly AM 80]

[https://i.redd.it/xn80qq6y94nz.jpg AMR 35 ZT-1]

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{| class="wikitable"
! colspan="8" |Penetration statistics
|-
! rowspan="2" |Ammunition
! rowspan="2" |Type of
warhead
! colspan="6" |Penetration @ 0° Angle of Attack (mm)
|-
!10 m
!100 m
!500 m
!1,000 m
!1,500 m
!2,000 m
|-
|'''Type O'''
|AP
|24
|23
|14
|10
|7
|4
|-
|'''Type OT'''
|AP-T
|24
|23
|14
|10
|7
|4
|-
|'''Type P'''
|APC
|28
|27
|20
|14
|10
|7
|-
|'''Type PT'''
|APC-T
|28
|27
|20
|14
|10
|7
|}
{| class="wikitable"
! colspan="10" |Shell details
|-
! rowspan="2" | Ammunition
! rowspan="2" |Type of
warhead
! rowspan="2" |Velocity
(m/s)
! rowspan="2" |Projectile
Mass (kg)
! rowspan="2" |Fuse delay
(m)
! rowspan="2" |Fuse sensitivity
(mm)
! rowspan="2" |Explosive Mass
(TNT equivalent) (g)
! colspan="3" |Ricochet
|-
!0%
!50%
!100%
|-
|'''Type O'''
|AP-T
|810
|0.052
|N/A
|N/A
|N/A
|66°
|70°
|72°
|-
|'''Type O'''
|AP-T
|810
|0.052
|N/A
|N/A
|N/A
|66°
|70°
|72°
|-
|'''Type P'''
|APC
|810
|0.052
|N/A
|N/A
|N/A
|66°
|70°
|72°
|-
|'''Type PT'''
|APC-T
|810
|0.052
|N/A
|N/A
|N/A
|66°
|70°
|72°
|}

'''Cartouche à balle ordinaire O or just AP type O for short'''

it was a standard armor piercing rounds used against soft target such as infantry, unarmored vehicles and aircraft. the projectile was made of carbon steel and was capped with lead. there was a brass cloak around the projectile.

can be identify by the primer seal painted either Black or Purple

* projectile weight : 51,2 g
* Velocity : 810 m/sec

==== '''Cartouche à balle traçante TO or AP-T type TO''' ====
it was a standard rounds equipped with a tracer tail. it have the same ballistic as the Type O

can be identify by the primer seal painted Green

'''Cartouche à balle perforante P or AP type P'''

this round was a armor piercing hardened round used against armored target. the projectile was made of alliage Tunsten-steel (3% tungsten, 97% steel) and was tempered. there was a lead cap and brass cloak on the rounds

can be identify by primer seal painted Red

* projectile weight : 52 g
* Velocity : 810 m/sec

'''Cartouche à balle traçante TO or AP-T type TO'''

it was a armor piercing rounds equiped with a tracer tail. it have the same balistic as the Type P

can be identify by the primer seal painted Yellow

source

Hotchkiss manual (in the spoiler)

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''Kennblätter fremden geräts heft 8a, Munition bis 3,6 cm" Released in Berlin 1941''

''Manuel du mitrailleur de terre contre avions - Annexe IV - 1935''

https://wikimaginot.eu/V70_glossaire_detail.php?id=1000852&su=Munitions_de_13,2_mm__-_

https://www.scribd.com/document/191034538/Hotchkiss-Model-1930-Heavy-Machine-Gun-France

[http://www.armeetpassion.com/13,2%20x%2099.html http://www.armeetpassion.com/13,2 x 99.html]

https://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=158723

https://www.littlewars.se/french1940/gundata.html

https://www.worldwar2.ro/arme/?article=329

http://www.miniatures.de/anti-tank-weapons-french.html

15 mm

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MG 151/15

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German small calliber auto-cannon, it was more effective than the 20mm version against tank, but a lot less affective against aircrafts. France had captured thos weapons is fair quantity and used it during WW2 and also after WW2 as secondary armament.

Weight: 38.1 kg

Magazine: 30 rounds (20 rounds if mounted inside a tank)

barrel caliber : L/83.5

rounds size: 15 × 96 mm

Rate of fire: 740 rpm

practical range: 1000m

used in vehicles

[https://i.imgur.com/3MDKOpf.jpeg Lorraine 37L mod 44]

[https://wiki.warthunder.com/AMX-50_Foch AMX 50 Foch] (currently in-game)

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{| class="wikitable"
! rowspan="2" |Belt
! colspan="6" |Penetration @ 0° Angle of Attack (mm)
|-
!10 m
!100 m
!500 m
!1,000 m
!1,500 m
!2,000 m
|-
|SprGr
|2
|2
|2
|2
|2
|2
|-
|Pzgr. L'spur
|37
|35
|25
|17
|12
|8
|-
|H-Pzgr.
|50
|48
|35
|25
|18
|12
|}
{| class="wikitable"
! colspan="10" |Shell details
|-
! rowspan="2" |Ammunition
! rowspan="2" |Type of
warhead
! rowspan="2" |Velocity
(m/s)
! rowspan="2" |Projectile
Mass (kg)
! rowspan="2" |Fuse delay
(m)
! rowspan="2" |Fuse sensitivity
(mm)
! rowspan="2" |Explosive Mass
(TNT equivalent) (g)
! colspan="3" |Ricochet
|-
!0%
!50%
!100%
|-
|SprGr
|HEFI
|960
|0.06
|0
|0.1
|1.4
|79°
|80°
|81°
|-
|Pzgr. L'spur
|API-T
|850
|0.07
|N/A
|N/A
|N/A
|48°
|63°
|71°
|-
|H-Pzgr.
|HVAP
|1020
|0,05
|N/A
|N/A
|N/A
|66°
|70°
|72°
|}

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CA 39 Oerlikon

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{| class="wikitable"
! colspan="7" |Penetration statistics
|-
! rowspan="2" |Belt
! colspan="6" |Penetration @ 0° Angle of Attack (mm)
|-
!10 m
!100 m
!500 m
!1,000 m
!1,500 m
!2,000 m
|-
|HEF
|2
|2
|2
|2
|2
|2
|-
|APT
|42
|40
|30
|21
|15
|11
|-
|HEFI-T
|2
|2
|2
|2
|2
|2
|}
{| class="wikitable"
! colspan="10" |Shell details
|-
! rowspan="2" |Ammunition
! rowspan="2" |Type of
warhead
! rowspan="2" |Velocity
(m/s)
! rowspan="2" |Projectile
Mass (kg)
! rowspan="2" |Fuse delay
(m)
! rowspan="2" |Fuse sensitivity
(mm)
! rowspan="2" |Explosive Mass
(TNT equivalent) (g)
! colspan="3" |Ricochet
|-
!0%
!50%
!100%
|-
|20 mm HEF-I
|HEF-I
|838
|0.12
|0
|0.1
|6
|79°
|80°
|81°
|-
|20 mm AP-T
|AP-T
|830
|0.14
|N/A
|N/A
|N/A
|47°
|60°
|65°
|-
|20 mm HEFI-T
|HEFI-T
|838
|0.12
|0
|0.1
|5
|79°
|80°
|81°
|}
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weapon of type Auto-cannon, designed by Hispano-Suiza to replace the HS 404

very performing, and very appreciated, the HS 820 chamber longer rounds over the HS 404 and have a much higher velocity and fire rate. this weapon was capable to be belt-feed, drum freed or magazine feed. it was used as much against ground target than it was for air-target. it was very commonly used for IFV vehicles. it was bought by Oerlikon who renamed it Oerlikon KAD.

Weight: 66 kg

Magazine: 60 rounds (or belt)

barrel caliber : unknown

rounds size: 20 x 139 mm

Rate of fire: 1000 min

practical range: 1500m (against arial target)

used in vehicles

[https://i.imgur.com/OwFwZlP.jpg AMX VCI]

[https://i.imgur.com/OrzxUXH.jpg AMX VCI H20]

[https://i.imgur.com/nxgWIIG.jpg M3 VDA]

[https://i.imgur.com/a734ayL.jpg M3 VCA]

[https://i.imgur.com/MwTbGgf.jpg VAB VDAA]

[https://i.imgur.com/NaWknvj.jpg ACMAT VLRA]

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'''OPT (AP-T)'''

standard AP round made with steel and a tungsten core.

* projectile weight : 112 g
* Velocity : 1100 m/sec

'''RIA (APHEI)'''

standard multi-purpose rounds used for the HS-820. this round was ideal for light armored vehicles, infantry and aircraft.

* projectile weight : 120 g
* Velocity : 1100 m/sec
* explosive : 4.5 g (type Hexal)

'''OPTSOC (APDS)'''

APDS round capable to provide more penetration on the HS820. this rounds could also be used on the RH202

* projectile weight : 109 g
* Velocity : 1250 m/sec

'''OPTSOC "racourcie" (APDS "short")'''

APDS round capable to provide more penetration on the HS820. it was a shorterned version OPTSOC.

* projectile weight : unknown
* Velocity : 1250 m/sec

'''APFSDS'''

APDS rounds used for the HS 820 and the RH202. it was developed in the 70s. the dart was reduced to around 9mm and was made of steel. this rounds could deal with medium armored target.

* projectile weight : assumed to be 109g
* Velocity : 1250 m/sec

''' UIA (HEI-T)'''

standard high explosive round with incendiary effect and tracer for the HS820. perfect against soft target.

* projectile weight : 120 g
* Velocity : 1050 m/sec
* explosive : 10 g (type Hexal)

source

https://forum.cartridgecollectors.org/t/20mm-apfsds-t-help/40826/7

https://dokumen.tips/documents/ammunition-20-x-139-mm-general-mmpdfammunition-20-x-139-mm-general-the-ammunition.html

https://www.quarryhs.co.uk/an_introduction_to_collecting_20.htm

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MG 151/20

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German auto-cannon that was captured in large number after WW2, this armament somewhat obsolete, was often incorporated to the French vehicles for the AA use or as secondary armament. the relatively low velocity of his rounds make it a poor AT armament but the HE rounds are effective against air-targets

Weight: 42.7 kg

Magazine: belt

barrel calibre : L/55

rounds size: 20 x 82 mm

Rate of fire: 600 rpm

practical range: 800m (against aerial target)

used in vehicles

[https://i.imgur.com/j0IDAv6.jpg Chenillette Hotchkiss DCA]

[http://blob//imgur.com/c4758a15-4e78-4f2c-8391-fe8b20ac2427 AMX 12 Quadritube]

[https://wiki.warthunder.com/Lorraine_155_Mle.50 Lorraine 155 Mle.50](currently in-game)

[https://i.imgur.com/VMbO04g.jpg Lorraine 155 Mle.51]

[https://i.imgur.com/1G1aAqK.jpeg Automoteur Batignolles-Chatillon 155mm]

[https://wiki.warthunder.com/AMX-50_Surblinde AMX 50 Surblindé] (currently in-game)

[https://i.imgur.com/bS6LfiH.jpg AMX 50 Surbaissé] (currently in-game) - missing ingame

Ammo

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{| class="wikitable"
! colspan="7" |Penetration statistics
|-
! rowspan="2" |Belt
! colspan="6" |Penetration @ 0° Angle of Attack (mm)
|-
!10 m
!100 m
!500 m
!1,000 m
!1,500 m
!2,000 m
|-
|M-Gesch.Ptr
|2
|2
|2
|2
|2
|2
|-
|Pzsprgr Lspur
|23
|21
|15
|9
|5
|2
|-
|PzGr
|27
|25
|18
|12
|8
|6
|}
{| class="wikitable"
! colspan="10" |Belt details
|-
! rowspan="2" |Belt
! rowspan="2" |Type of
warhead
! rowspan="2" |Velocity
(m/s)
! rowspan="2" |Projectile
Mass (kg)
! rowspan="2" |Fuse delay
(m)
! rowspan="2" |Fuse sensitivity
(mm)
! rowspan="2" |Explosive Mass
(TNT equivalent) (g)
! colspan="3" |Ricochet
|-
!0%
!50%
!100%
|-
|Pzsprgr Lspur
|APHE
|720
|0.12
|0
|0.1
|10
|47°
|60°
|65°
|-
|PzGr
|AP-T
|720
|0.117
|N/A
|N/A
|N/A
|47°
|60°
|65°
|-
|M-Gesch.Ptr
|HE
|785
|0.18
|0
|0.1
|30
|66°
|70°
|72°
|}
M693 F2

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weapon of type auto-cannon. using the same ammunition as the HS820.

originally based on the HS 820, the M693 F2 was developed for the French Navy. it was a dual belt feed version of the gun who allow a much longer magazine. designed to be a AA gun, it show similar performance to the HS 820 and was used by the army for the IFV and Coaxial gun for the MBT. the dual feed allow a quick switch between different type of ammunition.

Weight: 71 kg

Magazine: belt

barrel caliber : L/100

rounds size: 20 x 139 mm

Rate of fire: 900 min

practical range: 1500m (against arial target)

Variant

* F2 - naval version
* M692 - army version

used in vehicles

[https://www.chars-francais.net/2015/images/stories/galery/1960_aml60/aml60_032.jpg AML 60-20]

[https://i.imgur.com/nS0N7zS.jpg AML 60-20 Serval]

[https://wiki.warthunder.com/AMX-30 AMX-30B] (currently in-game)

[https://wiki.warthunder.com/AMX-30_(1972) AMX-30B (1972)] (currently in-game)

[https://wiki.warthunder.com/AMX-30B2 AMX-30B2] (currently in-game)

[https://wiki.warthunder.com/AMX-30B2_BRENUS AMX-30B2 BRENUS] (currently in-game)

[https://i.imgur.com/Wuhm3Os.jpg AMX-30C]

[https://wiki.warthunder.com/AMX-30_Super AMX-30 Super] (currently in-game)

[https://i.imgur.com/WjoxPqa.jpg AMX 32]

[https://wiki.warthunder.com/AMX-32 AMX 32 120] (currently in-game)

[https://wiki.warthunder.com/AMX-40 AMX 40] (currently in-game)

[https://i.imgur.com/ALD9rUR.jpg AMX 10P]

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{| class="wikitable"
! colspan="7" |Penetration statistics
|-
! rowspan="2" |Belt
! colspan="6" |Penetration @ 0° Angle of Attack (mm)
|-
!10 m
!100 m
!500 m
!1,000 m
!1,500 m
!2,000 m
|-
|'''UIA'''
|3
|3
|3
|3
|3
|3
|-
|'''RIA'''
|48
|43
|30
|19
|11
|6
|-
|'''OPT'''
|57
|52
|37
|24
|15
|10
|-
|'''RIA'''
|48
|43
|30
|19
|11
|6
|-
|'''OPTSOC'''
|83
|75
|59
|45
|29
|15
|-
|'''OPTSOC Racourcie'''
|?
|?
|?
|?
|?
|?
|-
|'''APFSDS'''
|80
|76
|70
|65
|57
|50
|}
{| class="wikitable"
! colspan="10" |Belt details
|-
! rowspan="2" |Belt
! rowspan="2" |Type of
warhead
! rowspan="2" |Velocity
(m/s)
! rowspan="2" |Projectile
Mass (kg)
! rowspan="2" |Fuse delay
(m)
! rowspan="2" |Fuse sensitivity
(mm)
! rowspan="2" |Explosive Mass
(TNT equivalent) (g)
! colspan="3" |Ricochet
|-
!0%
!50%
!100%
|-
|'''UIA'''
|HFI-T
|1,050
|0.145
|0.05
|0.1
|15
|79°
|80°
|81°
|-
|'''RIA'''
|AP-T
|1,050
|0.120
|0.05
|0.1
|N6
|47°
|60°
|65°
|-
|'''OPT'''
|APHE
|1,100
|0.112
|N/A
|N/A
|N/A
|47°
|60°
|65°
|-
|'''OPTSOC'''
|APDS
|1,250
|0.109
|N/A
|N/A
|N/A
|75°
|78°
|80°
|-
|'''OPTSOC Racourcie'''
|APDS
|1,250
|?
|N/A
|N/A
|N/A
|75°
|78°
|80°
|-
|'''APFSDS'''
|APFSDS
|1.250
|?
|N/A
|N/A
|N/A
|78°
|80°
|81°
|}
'''OPT (AP-T)'''

standard AP round made with steel and a tungsten core.

* projectile weight : 112 g
* Velocity : 1100 m/sec

'''RIA (APHEI)'''

standard multi-purpose rounds used for the HS-820. this round was ideal for light armored vehicles, infantry and aircraft.

* projectile weight : 120 g
* Velocity : 1100 m/sec
* explosive : 4.5 g (type Hexal)

'''OPTSOC (APDS)'''

APDS round capable to provide more penetration on the HS820. this rounds could also be used on the RH202

* projectile weight : 109 g
* Velocity : 1300 m/sec

penetration (reported)

* 20 mm at 850 meter, angle 60°

'''OPTSOC "racourcie" (APDS "short")'''

APDS round capable to provide more penetration on the HS820. it was a shortened version OPTSOC.

* projectile weight : unknown
* Velocity : 1250 m/sec

'''APFSDS'''

APDS rounds used for the HS 820 and the RH202. it was developed in the 70s. the dart was reduced to around 9mm and was made of steel. this rounds could deal with medium armored target.

* projectile weight : assumed to be 109g
* Velocity : 1250 m/sec

''' UIA (HEI-T)'''

standard High explosive round with incendiary effect and tracer for the HS820. perfect against soft target.

* projectile weight : 120 g
* Velocity : 1050 m/sec
* explosive : 10 g (type Hexal)

source

https://forum.cartridgecollectors.org/t/20mm-apfsds-t-help/40826/7

https://dokumen.tips/documents/ammunition-20-x-139-mm-general-mmpdfammunition-20-x-139-mm-general-the-ammunition.html

https://www.quarryhs.co.uk/an_introduction_to_collecting_20.htm

https://weaponsystems.net/system/1010-20mm+Giat+M693

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this is a remake of the previous catalogue as i just couldn't edit it anymore (too old)

here i want to built up a full index that would provide the community with information as accurate and sourced as possible about the french armament and ammunition.

due to the large number of armament, i would put this in order. first it would be sort in order of the calibre, starting from the smallest and ending to the biggest, then i will set them in model's years.

I currently rework the format to be more understandable, using similar format as the Wiki from war thunder for the rounds performance. as i up-date them, i add the tag in the topics. if the gun you look for is not yet tagged, that only mean i either didn't updated it, or just didn't wrote anything about it yet,

i will keep this sort of encyclopedia as complete and up-to-date as possible. any help, correction and suggestion are welcome. if one is missing, it only mean they are not yet added but would probably get listed in his time.

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