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J35D

2021-06-28T07:43:23Z

U29809634: /* Flight performance */ Tweaked performance values to match in game

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== Description ==

The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a rank {{Specs|rank}} Swedish jet fighter {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update 1.97 "Viking Fury"]].

The {{PAGENAME}} is the first Swedish jet capable of Mach 2. The jet is highly agile and is the first plane in War Thunder capable of performing the famous "Cobra manoeuvre".

== General info ==
=== Flight performance ===
{{Specs-Avia-Flight}}

[[File:J35D profile D33F.png|alt=A Saab Draken flying through thick overcast with a sunset illuminating the clouds below it.|left|thumb|460x460px|A {{PAGENAME}} flying above cloudy weather.]]
The Saab {{PAGENAME}} Draken is a highly agile interceptor of the Swedish aviation family. This interceptor uses a double delta wing-configuration and a powerful Avon engine to achieve both excellent high and low-speed performance at various altitudes. This aircraft is outfitted with two wing-mounted Akan m/55 auto-cannons and up to four [[RB24]]/[[RB24J]] missiles. Along with options for both anti-air and anti-ground rockets, the {{PAGENAME}} becomes a versatile platform with a high potential thanks to unmatched manoeuvrability. Having almost twice the wing surface of a [[MiG-21MF (Germany)|MiG-21MF]], the {{PAGENAME}} comfortably dogfights any opponent who dares to challenge it.

The cost of this manoeuvrability is the large reduction in speed when turning. The {{PAGENAME}} usually drops below 500 km/h airspeed when performing aggressive manoeuvres. This lack of speed usually leaves the {{PAGENAME}} vulnerable to enemy attacks, since avoiding missiles or gunfire becomes a lot more difficult. This makes the {{PAGENAME}} a unique flying experience where the player needs to be constantly aware of the current airspeed, while still avoiding dumping all speed at once. In order to maximize the stored speed, the {{PAGENAME}} should be flown carefully. Aerial manoeuvres should be avoided and turning has to be done slowly. The efficiency of the {{PAGENAME}} significantly increases when played with higher speeds. Although the plane becomes more sluggish at speeds close to 1,100 km/h, the {{PAGENAME}} still manages to outmanoeuvre incoming missiles. Avoiding incoming homing devices usually leads to deceleration, but with careful planning, this speed can always be regained thanks to the strong acceleration the engine provides.

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="70%"
! rowspan="2" | Characteristics
! colspan="2" | Max Speed (km/h at 0 m - sea level)
! rowspan="2" | Max altitude (metres)
! colspan="2" | Turn time (seconds)
! colspan="2" | Rate of climb (metres/second)
! rowspan="2" | Take-off run (metres)
|-
! AB !! RB !! AB !! RB !! AB !! RB
|-
! Stock
| 2,055 || 2,003 || rowspan="2" | {{Specs|ceiling}} || 26.5 || 27.1 || 151.4 || 139.6 || rowspan="2" | 900
|-
! Upgraded
| 2,257 || 2,150 || 23.5 || 25.0 || 211.6 || 180
|-
|}

==== Details ====
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="50%"
|-
! colspan="6" | Features
|-
! Combat flaps !! Take-off flaps !! Landing flaps !! Air brakes !! Arrestor gear !! Drogue chute
|-
| X || X || X || ✓ || X || ✓ 
|-
|}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="50%"
|-
! colspan="7" | Limits
|-
! rowspan="2" | Wings (km/h)
! rowspan="2" | Gear (km/h)
! colspan="3" | Flaps (km/h)
! colspan="2" | Max Static G
|-
! Combat !! Take-off !! Landing !! + !! -
|-
| {{Specs|destruction|body}} || {{Specs|destruction|gear}} || N/A || N/A || N/A || ~11 || ~5
|-
|}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="4" | Optimal velocities (km/h)
|-
! Ailerons !! Rudder !! Elevators !! Radiator
|-
| < 850 || < 700 || < 700 || N/A
|-
|}

==== Engine performance ====
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="3" | Engine
! colspan="3" | Aircraft mass
|-
! colspan="2" | Engine name || Number
! colspan="1" | {{Annotation|Basic mass|Mass of the aircraft with pilot and engine oil, but no fuel or weapons load}} || colspan="2" | Wing loading (full fuel)
|-
| colspan="2" | Svenska Flygmotor RM 6C || 1
| colspan="1" | 8,105 kg || colspan="2" | 208 kg/m2
|-
! colspan="3" | Engine characteristics
! colspan="2" | Mass with fuel (no weapons load) || rowspan="2" | Max Takeoff Weight
|-
! Weight (each) || colspan="2" | Type
! 6m fuel || 21m fuel
|-
| 1,400 kg || colspan="2" | Afterburning axial-flow turbojet
| 8,748 kg || 10,318 kg || 13,500 kg
|-
! colspan="3" | {{Annotation|Maximum engine thrust @ 0 m (RB / SB)|The maximum thrust produced by each engine, while mounted in the aircraft. NOTE: Thrust varies significantly depending on speed & altitude.}}
! colspan="3" | Thrust to weight ratio @ 0 m (WEP)
|-
! Condition || 100% || WEP
! 6m fuel || 21m fuel || MTOW
|-
| ''Stationary'' || 5,575 kgf || 8,028 kgf
| 0.92 || 0.78 || 0.59
|-
| ''Optimal'' || 5,575 kgf (0 km/h) || 10,126 kgf (1,250 km/h)
| 1.17 || 0.98 || 0.75
|-
|}

=== Survivability and armour ===
{{Specs-Avia-Armour}}


The {{PAGENAME}} is one of the many high-rank planes entirely without protection, much like the [[F-4 Phantom II (Family)|F-4 Phantom]] series of fighters. Although the later variants of the Draken featured bird strike-proof cockpits, no Draken variant was fitted with armour plating or bulletproof glass. In-game, this downside can be quite hard to notice since higher rank vehicles tend to boast incredible amounts of firepower, making every hit incredibly devastating. A {{PAGENAME}} pilot should, like every other pilot, avoid damages at all costs as any damage deteriorates the aircraft's performance and ability to stay in the fight.
[[File:J35D protection.jpg|thumb|400px|right|The '''{{PAGENAME}}''' forgoes armour for additional speed and manoeuvrability.]]

=== Modifications and economy ===
{{Specs-Economy}}

== Armaments ==
{{Specs-Avia-Armaments}}
=== Offensive armament ===
{{Specs-Avia-Offensive}}

{{main|Akan m/55 (30 mm)}}

The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' is armed with:

* 2 x 30 mm Akan m/55 cannons, wing-mounted (90 rpg = 180 total)

The {{PAGENAME}} is outfitted with two 30 mm Akan m/55 cannons, which are Swedish manufactured variants of the British [[ADEN (30 mm)|ADEN]] cannons. These two cannons offer a high burst mass and velocity at medium ranges. Although these guns are dangerous, they are quite limited by their ammunition count. Just like the J32B, these cannons have 90 rounds each, giving the player a total of 180 shells. The cannons should be fired with caution in order to maximize the amount of damage they provide. Since the missiles are outdated RB24 missiles, a {{PAGENAME}} pilot needs to be prepared to engage most enemies with these cannons rather than suspended armaments.

Another issue with the {{PAGENAME}} is the cannon placement. The two Akans are wing-mounted rather than center-mounted. This is a downgrade compared to the gun placement found on the earlier J32B since set convergence now plays a role. This makes the {{PAGENAME}} lose effectiveness at certain ranges since the target has the chance to fly between the shells, and when hitting a target, the shells are unlikely to concentrate to a singular point, lowering the amount of damage created. This placement creates difficulty in complex manoeuvres, since putting the plane sideways creates a vertical spread. A wise {{PAGENAME}} pilot will commence target practice with the guns prior to battle as they are important for the plane's overall survivability and combat effectiveness.

=== Suspended armament ===
{{Specs-Avia-Suspended}}

The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' can be outfitted with the following ordnance:

* Without load
* 2 x RB24 missiles
* 12 x m/56D rockets
* 38 x srak m/57B rockets
* 4 x RB24 missiles
* 2 x RB24 missiles + 12 x m/56D rockets
* 2 x RB24 missiles + 38 x srak m/57B rockets
* 4 x RB24J missiles
* 2 x RB24J missiles + 12 x m/56D rockets
* 2 x RB24J missiles + 38 x srak m/57B rockets

{{main|m/56D}}

The {{PAGENAME}} is able to carry 12 suspended m/56D unguided rockets for ground-strike purposes. These rockets have a TNT filler with the same penetration as the earlier [[m/49A]] found on the earlier ground-strike planes. The rockets fire individually starting from the left, and are placed in a vertical angle, These rockets are devastating against lighter vehicles at high tiers. Thanks to a single-fire system and good velocity, the effectiveness can be quite high if practised. But due to the {{PAGENAME}} being only available for use at top-tier, these rockets have a very low chance of reliably working, since the targets are usually heavily armoured. The {{PAGENAME}} lacks a ballistic missile computer and is easily countered by missile SPAA, making the {{PAGENAME}} a bad pick for close air support in general. If the player feels the need for a challenge, the {{PAGENAME}} is at the very least highly manoeuvrable, giving players the option to do several dangerous passes in a short period of time.

{{main|srak m/57B}}

The {{PAGENAME}} offers a pair of unguided m/57B rocket pods. These rockets are designed for bomber interception, and are very devastating against aerial targets. These rockets fire in pairs, in contrast to the single-fire m/56D rockets for ground-attack purposes. Being placed parallel with the plane, these rockets are comfortable to aim due to the traditional angle, as well as the center fuselage mounting they offer. These pods weigh less than the full RB24 loadout, but still require a {{PAGENAME}} pilot to engage targets the same way as with the internal Akan m/55 cannons, making them quite redundant. These pods are for pilots looking for a challenge, while still staying effective in aerial combat.

{{main|RB24}}

A later modification found on the {{PAGENAME}} is the option to carry four RB24 missiles, the same being found on the previous J32B Lansen. These missiles are mounted separately from each other, with two under the center fuselage, and two under the outer delta. Having four of these missiles significantly lowers the performance of the {{PAGENAME}}, meaning that more aggressive players should consider if they will find a practical use for this suspended armament. Defensive and more cautious players will, however, enjoy these missiles since they offer a more distanced approach to engaging targets. A pilot should still be aware that these missiles tend to miss most opponents at high-tier due to missile countermeasures, as well as higher speeds and manoeuvrability found at these tiers.

{{main|RB24J}}

The crown jewel of the {{PAGENAME}}'s modifications are the four RB24J air-to-air missiles carried under the same pylons as before. These missiles have twice the G-load and a wider seeker, giving it a lot more flexibility than its older counterpart. Thanks to their supreme mobility, they can easily engage and destroy close opponents with minimal effort. This feature is incredibly helpful for the {{PAGENAME}}, since most engagements forces the plane to slow down. The RB24J air-to-air missiles allows the {{PAGENAME}} to close the gap between the enemy and itself, no matter the difference in speed, making it one of the most important tools in the {{PAGENAME}}'s arsenal. This missile is heavily recommended for any pilot that wants to make the most out of their Draken.

== Usage in battles ==

The {{PAGENAME}} can be a bit "over the top" when it comes to in-game performance. The {{PAGENAME}} doesn't underperform in any area, even when stock. Yet the {{PAGENAME}} quickly suffers when facing several opponents at once. This is due to the incredible manoeuvrability the {{PAGENAME}} possesses, which becomes its worst enemy in battles. The {{PAGENAME}} comfortably dodges incoming enemies when at higher speeds, but quickly loses this advantage after the first few passes due to the reduction of speed. Avoiding can still be done easily, but high-load missiles require a speed above 800 km/h to be reliably dodged. To avoid the likelihood of a low-speed experience, the {{PAGENAME}} should manoeuvre with caution, with the same style as a pilot preventing wings from ripping. The recommended way to use this trick is to control the elevators with the use of the "pitch axis" button. By tapping this button rapidly, a {{PAGENAME}} pilot can prevent high-G manoeuvres while still keeping their backs cleared by looking behind them in a defensive-like approach. The amount of pulling can be varied depending on what is approaching the Draken. It's important to remember that aileron rolling can still be done without much consequence, and will come in handy when avoiding enemies in a defensive situation.

'''Attacking while using the Akan m/55'''

When the {{PAGENAME}} isn't on the receiving end of an attack, the dominating manoeuvrability and acceleration start to show. The Draken has the ability to stick with almost any enemy. A rude, but effective approach is to engage already slow enemies since the Draken will never overshoot a target. This should also be done with caution since this is still a sacrifice of valuable energy required to avoid incoming attacks. Learning when to strike is key for the {{PAGENAME}}, since staying alive is always a number one priority.

When it comes to firing on a target, the {{PAGENAME}} immediately shows it's unorthodox gun placement. Shooting opponents running away, or firing on bypassing enemies might often result in the {{PAGENAME}} missing the target entirely. To avoid this, a pilot can both train their aim and learn useful aerial manoeuvres to increase the likelihood of hitting opponents. A general tip when firing upon passing opponents is to make the enemy pass the {{PAGENAME}} along its horizontal axis. This ensures that the target passes through both guns, and the time on target automatically increases. Although this tactic won't focus as much lead on a singular point as a regular approach, it will still assure some shells connect with the target, which is usually enough to finish off any opponent.

'''Attacking while using the RB24 and RB24J'''
[[File:J35D intercept by D33F.png|alt=A J35D, shadowed by sunlight, climbs above the clouds to intercept.|thumb|420x420px|A shadowed {{PAGENAME}} climbing to intercept. ]]
The missile gameplay favors altitude and separation over head-on engagements and dogfights. Thanks to the {{PAGENAME}}'s performance, the plane can easily flank to the side or reach incredible altitudes while keeping a safe speed. Catching enemies off-guard can be quite difficult, but trying to stay off the radar lock function (keeps you hidden from RWR), is a good start. The early RB24 missiles have no real use of Radar locking, while the RB24J's improve significantly from this function. Avoid locking them until you're in a close proximity to the target. The more speed you have compared to the target also affects the result. A slower opponent has less time to react, while a faster one has extra time and usually agility to avoid incoming homing devices. It's important to know which planes you're attacking and when they're vulnerable to incoming attacks. Even if the missile doesn't hit, the {{PAGENAME}} can easily catch up with the enemy due to their slower speed afterwards. It's important to still make good use of the Akan m/55 while playing with suspended armament. These missiles can effectively help close the distance between the {{PAGENAME}} and its target, where gunfire is ideal. This also spreads out the missiles between opponents, letting the {{PAGENAME}} rank up more kills when played strategically.

'''Superstalling'''

The {{PAGENAME}} features one of the largest wing-areas of any fighter. Although this gives the {{PAGENAME}} a high advantage in terms of manoeuvrability and speed, the plane suffers from a unique, but dangerous downside. This downside becomes apparent when damaged, stalling, or deploying negative elevator for a extended period of time. This feature is known as a "superstall", and can result in complete destruction of the aircraft. A superstall can be noticed by the parachute-like falling the plane experiences. The plane spins, and can't exit the manoeuvre for a extended period of time. In order to exit a superstall, the {{PAGENAME}} is outfitted with four tiny air-brakes positioned at the rear of the aircraft. Deploying these air-brakes will pull the tail-section upwards, allowing a {{PAGENAME}} pilot to regain airflow under their wings. It's important to avoid superstalling since the {{PAGENAME}} stays incredible vulnerable during this period.

===Radars===

The J35D is equipped with a PS-03 search and tracking radar. The radar is mounted in the nose of the aircraft.

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
! colspan="4" | PS-03 - Target Detection Radar
|-
! {{Annotation|Maximum Detection Range|The maximum possible range at which a target can be detected}}
! {{Annotation|Guaranteed Detection Range|The range, below which, detection of a target is practically guaranteed}}
! {{Annotation|Max Azimuth Scan Angle|How far to each side the radar can scan (widest search mode)}}
! {{Annotation|Max Elevation Scan Angle|How far up and down the radar can scan (widest search mode)}}
|-
| 90,000 m (theoretical) || 30,000 m || ±60.0° || -30.0°/+60.0°
|-
! colspan="4" | PS-03 - Target Tracking Radar
|-
! {{Annotation|Maximum Tracking Range|The maximum range at which a target can be tracked}}
! {{Annotation|Minimum Tracking Range|The range below which targets cannot be tracked by the radar}}
! {{Annotation|Azimuth Tracking Angle|How far to each side the radar can track a target}}
! {{Annotation|Elevation Tracking Angle|How far up and down the radar can track a target}}
|-
| 75,000 m || 200 m || ±60.0° || -30.0°/+60.0°
|-
|}

=== Pros and cons ===


'''Pros:'''

* Superior manoeuvrability - able to out-turn anything it wishes
* High top speed - can catch most top tier aircraft at low altitudes
* Strong acceleration
* Easy and short takeoff/landing
* Low stall speed - air-brakes prevent "superstalling"

'''Cons:'''

* Poor sustained turning - sustained speed degenerates quickly when manoeuvring at speeds below 1,000 km/h
* Unorthodox gun placement - less accurate and more tricky to get used to
* Lack of countermeasures - no flares or RWR
* Sluggish performance when paired with suspended armaments
* Relatively low maximum fuel load, can make it vulnerable in case of prolonged engagements

 
{{Notice|'''Fun Fact''': Pilots of the {{PAGENAME}} created a term called '''superstalling''', unlike typical aircraft which would stall, nose over, and recover, the Draken's control surfaces remain ineffective for some time as the aircraft falls, potentially causing it to crash.}}

== History ==


;Background

The discussion about a new fighter project, capable of intercepting small groups of bombers at an altitude of 10 kilometres, was brought up in the autumn of 1949, just a few months from the introduction of the [[J29A|J29 Tunnan]]. The threat was deemed to be transonic bombers, which needed to be intercepted before reaching Swedish airspace. This meant the next big project, Saab would focus on a high-speed interceptor capable of exceeding the Mach number, while still being able to function as an all-weather, daytime fighter.

;Saab 210 Lilldraken

This new project for a supersonic fighter-interceptor was given the name "project 1200". This project would be lead by the Saab engineer Erik Bratt. His team tinkered with various ideas on how to create a supersonic fighter with low-speed handling, to ease landing on shorter runways. The team came up with a double delta design that made use of two wing angles, giving the plane less drag at higher speeds, while staying manoeuvrable at lower speeds. In order to test this design, the team constructed a miniature version of the new fighter, named Saab 210, which also received the nickname "Lilldraken" (translates to small kite). This plane was just 70% the size of the regular Draken and was used for extensive testing of handling as well as ergonomics of a double delta configuration. This prototype was first flown on January 21st, 1952.

The Saab 210 would see many changes to its design in order to finalize the look of the upcoming J35 Draken. The nose was changed to better suit radar use, its air intakes moved back for a better view, and the tail reconstructed to fit a drag-chute. All of which would be found on the J35 Draken later on.

;Saab 35 Draken

[[File:Saab 35 Draken prototypes.jpg|thumb|Two prototype Saab 35 Draken flying in formation.]]
With the tests finished, the Draken would finally see full-scale prototypes. The first prototype took to the skies in October 1955, and deliveries of the first variant, the J35A, would commence in 1959. By 1960 the first Drakens would officially be in service. These would be stationed at F13 Bråvalla and F16 Gotland. Later variants would be placed all over Sweden, with various purposes. Being used for bomber interception, reconnaissance and trainers, the Saab 35 Draken would see the longest service life of any fighter in the Swedish air force. The Draken would serve for almost 40 years, having 615 planes produced during its lifespan.

;{{PAGENAME}} Draken

The {{PAGENAME}} was the 4th Draken variant that was planned and built due to the new requirements the Swedish KFF (Kungliga FlygFörvaltningen or Royal air ministry) issued to Saab. The new requirements specified that the next fighter had to intercept high altitude bombers flying at Mach 1.5, while still carrying the same weaponry and ordnance the earlier J35B offered. This required Saab to upgrade the RM6B engine found on the J35B, which meant the design had to be slightly altered. The air intakes were elongated, and the fuselage got altered to support the use of drop-tanks in the center. The first {{PAGENAME}} took to the skies on the 28th of August 1962, but the first planes delivered would be without radar equipment. These would be known as the J35D1, of which 24 of which were made. The other planes got the name J35D2 and would later be known as the {{PAGENAME}} when the original D1s got their radar equipment installed.

A total of 120 {{PAGENAME}} Drakens would be built between 1963-1964. Being outfitted with the Rm 6C (Avon 300-series), this version was the fastest Draken to take to the skies. This Draken would also be exported to the Austrian air-force. In order to export these planes to Austria, Saab ended up buying back 24 of the Swedish serving {{PAGENAME}}s and converting them to the Austrian requirements, which meant fitting the planes with the bird-proof cockpit from the J35F, as well as repainting them for Austrian service. These Austrian Drakens, designated J35Ö (sometimes designated J35OE), saw extensive use all the way towards the 21st century, being taken out of service in 2005.

=== [[wt:en/news/6623-development-saab-j35d-draken-the-supersonic-kite-en|Devblog]] ===
In the late 1940s, the Swedish Ministry of Defence released a set of requirements for a new, cutting edge jet interceptor. Among other requirements, the new aircraft was to be capable of reaching speeds of Mach 2 and able to hunt down transonic bombers, while being easily maintained and capable of taking off from special public roads.

Saab began developing an aircraft around these specifications in the early 1950s and quickly came to the conclusion that a double delta wing design was needed in order to achieve all the requirements. However, this design was yet untried and untested, which led to the creation of the Saab 210 - a testbed aircraft which pioneered the double delta wing design.

Having gained the necessary insight on the performance of the double delta wing, Saab engineers transferred the newly acquired experience into the development of the actual aircraft to address the Ministry's requirements - the J35 Draken was born.

The J35 Draken undertook its maiden flight in October 1955 and entered service with the Swedish Air Force in March 1960. Over 650 Drakens of various modifications would be built until the end of production, serving with Sweden until the late 1990s before being decommissioned. Apart from Swedish service, the J35 Draken also saw use with Denmark, Finland and Austria. The Austrian Air Force was the last operator to decommission the Draken in 2005, while some units are still in civilian use.

== Media ==


;Skins

* [https://live.warthunder.com/feed/camouflages/?vehicleCountry=sweden&vehicleType=aircraft&vehicleClass=fighter&vehicle=saab_j35d Skins and camouflages for the {{PAGENAME}} from live.warthunder.com.]

;Images
<gallery mode="packed" heights="150">
File:J 35D Draken WTWallpaper 01.jpg|
File:Saab J35 WTWallpaper 001.jpg|
File:J 35D Draken WTWallpaper 02.jpg|
File:Saab J35 WTWallpaper 002.jpg|
File:Saab J35 WTWallpaper 003.jpg|
File:Saab J35 WTWallpaper 004.jpg|
</gallery>

;Videos
{{Youtube-gallery|hNfRQMZUMQg|'''The Shooting Range #195''' - ''Metal Beasts'' section at 00:32 discusses the J35D.|yTXhTOHjvaM|'''Some Problems Can Be Solved With a Little Bit Of Cobra''' - ''WhooptieDo''|Ewi0jo_rvo0|'''Erect Superstall, Abrupt Entry''' - ''Flying Magazine''|_mhSXtNN9Ko|'''The Shooting Range #200''' - ''Challenge'' section at 10:47 discusses how to perform the Cobra.}}

== See also ==


;Comparable aircraft

* [[MiG-21F-13]]
* [[Lightning F.6]]
* [[F-4C Phantom II]]
* [[MiG-21MF (Germany)|MiG-21MF]]

== External links ==


* [[wt:en/news/6623-development-saab-j35d-draken-the-supersonic-kite-en|[Devblog] Saab J35D Draken - The Supersonic Kite]]
* [[wikipedia:Saab_35_Draken|[Wikipedia] - Saab 35 Draken]]
* [https://forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/479305-saab-j35d/ Official data sheet - more details about the performance]

{{AirManufacturer Saab}}
{{Sweden jet aircraft}}

J32B

2021-06-28T07:41:12Z

U29809634: /* Flight performance */ Changed Rate of climb in RB to match in-game value

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== Description ==

The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a rank {{Specs|rank}} Swedish jet fighter {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update 1.95 "Northern Wind"]].

The '''{{PAGENAME}}''' is a Swedish subsonic interceptor, combining excellent climb-rate and devastating firepower, both in terms of suspended and offensive armaments.

== General info ==
=== Flight performance ===
{{Specs-Avia-Flight}}

The Saab {{PAGENAME}} Lansen is a powerful interceptor built for all-weather operations. Being the descendant of the earlier [[A32A]], this version focuses on air-to-air combat instead of its previous role as an air-to-ground platform. To achieve this, the {{PAGENAME}} received the new RM6A engine. This engine is a Swedish license-produced variant of the Avon 300, producing a staggering 6,810 kgf when engaged with full afterburner. This engine was originally developed for the [[Lightning F.6]]. This makes the {{PAGENAME}} a subsonic plane with a supersonic engine, resulting in incredible acceleration and energy retention. Staying fast and avoiding dogfights is the main advantage of the {{PAGENAME}}, as the airframe is relatively large and cumbersome, not really meant for aerial manoeuvres. However, a single pass is more than enough thanks to four centre-mounted Akan m/55 cannons, with a incredible 24 kg burst mass. The {{PAGENAME}} is also outfitted with four RB24 air-to-air missiles capable of killing enemies far beyond the plane's reach. This, combined with the incredible thrust, lets the '''{{PAGENAME}}''' decide when, and how to strike down opponents; a luxury most planes can only dream of.

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="70%"
! rowspan="2" | Characteristics
! colspan="2" | Max Speed (km/h at 0 m - sea level)
! rowspan="2" | Max altitude (metres)
! colspan="2" | Turn time (seconds)
! colspan="2" | Rate of climb (metres/second)
! rowspan="2" | Take-off run (metres)
|-
! AB !! RB !! AB !! RB !! AB !! RB
|-
! Stock
| 1,133 || 1,128 || rowspan="2" | {{Specs|ceiling}} || 34.4 || 34.6 || 84.5 || 78.4 || rowspan="2" | 900
|-
! Upgraded
| 1,148 || 1,140 || 33.6 || 34.0 || 119.5 || 101.0
|-
|}

==== Details ====
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="50%"
|-
! colspan="6" | Features
|-
! Combat flaps !! Take-off flaps !! Landing flaps !! Air brakes !! Arrestor gear !! Drogue chute
|-
| ✓ || ✓ || ✓ || ✓ || X || X 
|-
|}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="50%"
|-
! colspan="7" | Limits
|-
! rowspan="2" | Wings (km/h)
! rowspan="2" | Gear (km/h)
! colspan="3" | Flaps (km/h)
! colspan="2" | Max Static G
|-
! Combat !! Take-off !! Landing !! + !! -
|-
| {{Specs|destruction|body}} || {{Specs|destruction|gear}} || 524 || 491 || 320 || ~11 || ~5
|-
|}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="4" | Optimal velocities (km/h)
|-
! Ailerons !! Rudder !! Elevators !! Radiator
|-
| < 850 || < 650 || < 600 || N/A
|-
|}

==== Engine performance ====
[[File:J32B_Armor_Protection.png|thumb|right|400px|Thickness of each armour section located in the {{PAGENAME}}.]]
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="3" | Engine
! colspan="4" | Aircraft mass
|-
! colspan="2" | Engine name || Number
! colspan="2" | Empty mass || colspan="2" | Wing loading (full fuel)
|-
| colspan="2" | Svenska Flygmotor RM6A || 1
| colspan="2" | 8,680 kg || colspan="2" | 307 kg/m2
|-
! colspan="3" | Engine characteristics
! colspan="3" | Mass with fuel (no weapons load) || rowspan="2" | Max Takeoff Weight
|-
! Weight (each) || colspan="2" | Type
! 8m fuel || 20m fuel || 28m fuel
|-
| 1,400 kg || colspan="2" | Afterburning axial-flow turbojet
| 9,491 kg || 10,675 kg || 11,464 kg || 13,500 kg
|-
! colspan="3" | {{Annotation|Maximum engine thrust @ 0 m (RB / SB)|The maximum thrust produced by each engine, while mounted in the aircraft. NOTE: Thrust varies significantly depending on speed & altitude.}}
! colspan="4" | Thrust to weight ratio @ 0 m (WEP)
|-
! Condition || 100% || WEP
! 8m fuel || 20m fuel || 28m fuel || MTOW
|-
| ''Stationary'' || 4,727 kgf || 6,807 kgf
| 0.72 || 0.64 || 0.59 || 0.50
|-
| ''Optimal'' || 4,727 kgf (0 km/h) || 7,199 kgf (1,000 km/h)
| 0.76 || 0.67 || 0.63 || 0.53
|-
|}

=== Survivability and armour ===
{{Specs-Avia-Armour}}


* 5 mm steel plate - cockpit floor and spacer plate between frontal armour.
* 10 mm steel plate - behind the pilot and GIB's seats
* 15 mm steel plate - armour plates in front of the cockpit section
* 50 mm bulletproof glass - armoured canopy windscreen

The {{PAGENAME}} features good pilot protection. A 50 mm bulletproof screen, and plates surrounding the two pilots, reaching thickness levels of between 5 to 15 mm. These plates were originally meant to save the pilot from incoming ground-fire due to its earlier ground-attack purpose. Thanks to this excellent protection, as well as having two pilots instead of one, dying by a pilot knockout is highly unlikely in comparison to other fighters of the same rank. The {{PAGENAME}} is also survivable in terms of fuselage strength. A single pass rarely knocks it out immediately, and seems more on-par with the [[S.O.4050 Vautour IIA|Vautour IIA]] than other fighters at its rank. This strength can be attributed to the separated fuel-tanks, as well as the short engine (in relation to the fuselage). This high survivability makes the {{PAGENAME}} quite forgiving for making mistakes, as it usually isn't hard to return back to base for repairs. '''It is important, however, to avoid all damage possible''', as even the slightest fuselage damage can heavily cripple the {{PAGENAME}}<nowiki/>'s general flight performance. A badly damaged fuselage makes the {{PAGENAME}} unable to retain energy, keeping it away from its main advantage. The {{PAGENAME}} is also prone to catching fire. Although the fire is easily put out, the damage suffered is usually more than fatal.

=== Modifications and economy ===
{{Specs-Economy}}

== Armaments ==
{{Specs-Avia-Armaments}}
=== Offensive armament ===
{{Specs-Avia-Offensive}}

{{main|Akan m/55 (30 mm)}}

The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' is armed with:

* 4 x 30 mm Akan m/55 cannons, nose-mounted (90 rpg = 360 total)

The {{PAGENAME}} is outfitted with four nose-mounted Akan m/55, which are Swedish-made versions of the popular ADEN cannon, found on British aircraft. Although sharing a similar mounting to the Hunter F.6, The Lansen fires almost 4kg of extra burst mass, as the Swedish guns have a higher fire-rate. High burst-mass is generally a good thing, as it compensates for sloppier maneuvers, where the plane gets less time on target. The {{PAGENAME}} doesn't really benefit from this upside, however, as the ammunition count is only 90 per gun, rounding the total up to a mere 360. This is almost half of what the Hunter offers, while still having a higher fire-rate. This forces the {{PAGENAME}} to be played with incredible trigger-patience, as any unnecessary moment of fire can cost half the magazine, highly limiting it's match potential. This can be compensated for by equipping air-to-air missiles, which sacrifices a bit of mobility for the option to save ammunition.

=== Suspended armament ===
{{Specs-Avia-Suspended}}

{{main|RB24|srak m/57B}}

The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' can be outfitted with the following ordnance:

* Without load
* 2 x RB24 missiles
* 38 x srak m/57B rockets
* 4 x RB24 missiles
* 2 x RB24 missiles + 38 x srak m/57B rockets

== Usage in battles ==


'''Basics'''

Being an interceptor by nature, staying fast remains a priority above anything else. In order to achieve this, the {{PAGENAME}} likes to avoid strong aerial maneuvers by keeping altitude and utilizing boom & zoom tactics. For a new pilot, especially one coming from the [[J29D]] or [[J29F]], the luxury of an afterburner shouldn't be much of a surprise. The {{PAGENAME}} keeps speed much better than the afterburning Tunnan, while still offering high firepower and vertical energy to boot. This compensates for the sluggish performance the plane shows in aerial combat. A newer pilot should stick to altitude, as the higher areas of the map are sometimes inaccessible by other enemies. It's still important to locate enemies with the same strengths as the {{PAGENAME}}. These include the [[Hunter FGA.9]], [[F-100A (China)|F-100A]], [[Shenyang F-5]], and the [[F3H-2]], among many others. These, along with all other missile-carrying fighters, will make flying the {{PAGENAME}} a pilots nightmare. The subsonic fighters at lower battle ratings are easy to fend off, requiring mostly speed and slight banking maneuvers. But the planes placed between 9.0-9.7 pose as a strong counter to the {{PAGENAME}}, as they force it to maneuver. '''Do not fly straight when enemies attack you from behind'''. Flying straight ensures that anyone behind you has a chance to shoot you down. Even if the {{PAGENAME}} handles like a bus, it's always worth trying to avoid any damage possible, as it will only lower your chances of survival.

'''Landing'''

One of the larger difficulties with the {{PAGENAME}} is landing. The {{PAGENAME}} is very good at staying fast, even without engine thrust. With a slow turn-rate, slowing down becomes even harder. Although the air-brake on the {{PAGENAME}} isn't very large in comparison to other transonic fighters, it does still work, giving the plane some extra deceleration. When below ~500 kph, the {{PAGENAME}} can deploy its Fowler-design flaps, which cause intense drag, slowing the plane down to much more manageable speeds. The landing approach should be done at around 300 kph to prevent landing flaps from ripping. This speed should be higher if the plane is out of fuel, as staying at 300 kph has to be done with the help of some engine throttle. If the {{PAGENAME}} approaches below 300 kph without an engine, the plane won't be able to nose up before touchdown, due to the bad stall-speed of around 200 kph. When the {{PAGENAME}} has finally touched the landing strip, it's important to keep holding brakes, as the {{PAGENAME}} needs as much runway as possible. If the {{PAGENAME}} is approaching the end of the runway, the {{PAGENAME}} can emergency drift by using full rudder below 100 kph. Although this may result in a broken wing, it's usually better than overshooting the landing strip.

'''Aggressive play-style'''

A {{PAGENAME}} pilot comfortable with trigger patience, aerial maneuverability, and central awareness can slowly attempt to push the {{PAGENAME}} to its limits. The {{PAGENAME}}, especially when spaded, shows incredible and almost unmatched energy retention even at higher tiers. Combined with a weak turn radius and strong acceleration, the {{PAGENAME}} can easily throw itself into any engagement, choosing to disengage whenever it pleases. This mentality can be further enhanced by making the aircraft as light as possible, taking only 20 minutes of fuel, and sometimes disregarding suspended armaments entirely. With spaded performance and minimal weight, the {{PAGENAME}} will stay above 1100 kph no matter the aerial maneuver, giving it the ability to escape no matter what's behind it. This also mitigates the sidewinder issue the {{PAGENAME}} suffers from. When the {{PAGENAME}} has the ability to continuously turn without losing speed, nobody will have the ability to achieve a perfect lock-on state. A {{PAGENAME}} pilot still needs to be aware of incoming gunfire since cutting this turn can be easily achieved. This can be easily improved on by shifting direction every once in a while, making the chasing opponent lose speed in the process. When combined with some training, The {{PAGENAME}} turns into a unbeatable defensive flyer compared to the usual cannon-fodder experience. It is worth noting that this play-style is incredibly challenging for inexperienced {{PAGENAME}} pilots, as it requires incredible trigger patience and G-load awareness. Anyone looking to play this aggressive approach can always go for less drastic changes, by still taking suspended armaments, or only focusing slow opponents.

'''Dealing with Supersonic Aircraft'''

As the {{PAGENAME}} sits at the very edge of the transonic era, it's no surprice the vehicle faces off opponents far more advanced and powerful. When the {{PAGENAME}} is the fastest plane in a match, it's quite common to play passively and safe, as nobody has the ability to reach it. But as the {{PAGENAME}} goes head-to-head with an [[F-4E Phantom II|F-4E]], the Lansen stands no chance of getting away. The general goal becomes to avoid cannon fire and incoming missiles, which can be best achieved by staying low on the deck, cruising at maximum speed. If engaged with an enemy, the {{PAGENAME}} should go back to the primary objective of retaining speed and energy while still pulling as hard as possible. The play-style doesn't change a lot from the aggressive one, as the Rb24 missiles become even more dead weight than before, and lasting longer than 20 minutes is more of an miracle than a expectation. One overlooked detail is how the {{PAGENAME}} now turns better in comparison, as fully loaded Phantom and MiG-21's struggle to keep with it. Heavy [[F-4EJ Phantom II|F-4EJ]]'s need to dump tons of speed to even marginally cut the turning radius of the {{PAGENAME}}. This can be exploited by a veteran pilot, as this opens up opportunities to energy-trap and finish off the cumbersome phantom. the more lightweight deltas such as the MiG-21 and Mirage meet different fates, as they easily cut the turn from the start, forcing the {{PAGENAME}} to maneuver. However, as the {{PAGENAME}} doesn't loose energy compared to the aggressor, it can easily keep turning until the enemy runs out of speed to follow up with, allowing the {{PAGENAME}} to swoop in for a finishing blow.

Some small advice would be to avoid other transonic / slower supersonic planes, as they will gravitate to using the same tactic as the {{PAGENAME}}, but with greater success. Planes like the [[MiG-19S (Germany)|MiG-19S]], [[MiG-19PT]], and the [[Q-5 early|Q-5]] all excel at retaining speed like the Lansen, making it impossible to shake them off. If the {{PAGENAME}} comes across a dire situation where several opponents are behind it, '''it's important to keep turning no matter what!''' Opponents behind the {{PAGENAME}} get a guaranteed kill if the plane flies directly straight, as it allows their sidewinders to lead properly. A continuously turning {{PAGENAME}} is almost impossible to missile from directly behind.

=== Pros and cons ===


'''Pros:'''

* Excellent top speed - outruns most subsonic opponents
* 4 x 30 mm Akan m/55 - incredible burst mass and damage
* 4 x RB24 air-to-air missiles - highly potent missiles against adversaries
* Powerful afterburning engine - excellent acceleration & energy retention
* Integrated radar
* Above-average roll-rate
* Resistant to high-G manoeuvres (up to 10Gs)
* Decent pilot protection & airframe endurance
* Fowler flap design - provides excellent lift at low speeds

'''Cons:'''

* Mediocre manoeuvrability, almost every opponent it faces can out-manoeuvre it
* Difficult to land - landing flaps rip at 300 km/h
* Very inefficient air-brake design - requires high angle-of-attack or aggressive banking to slow down
* Large target - Easy to hit
* High rate of fire - ammunition will deplete very quickly, trigger control required
* High repair cost with all modifications installed in Realistic Battles

== History ==

In the year 1948, SAAB started to develop a new type of multi purpose aircraft with capabilities such as a strike-fighter, interceptor or reconnaissance aircraft. The project was called P1150 and had the intent to replace the B18, J21A, A21R and the J30 aircraft. After some testing, a swept wing design typical for the time period was decided upon. After some testing with a Swedish jet engine design called the Dovern, it was decided that the engine lacked the desired power so a swap to the British Rolls-Royce Avon Mk.21 engine was decided upon due to its ability to produce more power without its afterburner on than the Dovern could even with the afterburner engaged. The airplane was designated the Saab 32 Lansen and flew for the first time in November 1952 with Bengt Olow as pilot.

A total of 447 aircraft were delivered to the Swedish Air Force from 1955 until 1960. These were modified and renovated until its retirement in 1997. A total of 10 variants were in service, including the prototype P1150.

=== [[wt:en/news/6519-development-j32-lansen-flying-lance-en|Devblog]] ===
Sweden has always been aware of current trends in military aviation. When all the leading military producers realized the undoubted superiority of jet engined aviation over piston aircraft, Sweden also began developing its own aircraft with a new type of engine. The project for the new combat aircraft was conceived as a replacement for light bombers and ground attackers from the WWII period, so the project started as an attack fighter. Since the production technology of proprietary engines in Sweden did not develop as fast as needed, the first aircraft of the Type 32 project were equipped with licensed copies of the British Avon engine with a Swedish afterburner. The jet strike aircraft under the A32 A designation was mass-produced in Sweden from 1955 to 1958, and was a completely modern combat aircraft of this class. The aircraft was equipped with a quick-fire battery of course weapons of four 20mm guns at the front of the fuselage. As it should be a ground attack aircraft, the A32 A Lansen featured a rich arsenal of outboard weapons distributed over 12 suspension points under the wing: various bombs (up to 600 kg each), up to 24 unguided rockets of various calibres, including 12 anti-ship APHE missiles, or a couple of anti-ship Rb04 guided missiles with an active radar homing system.

At the same time, a fighter-interceptor version of the Lansen was being developed, the first such aircraft took to the sky in January of 1957. The J32B fighter was noticeably different from its attack aircraft sister, primarily with a more powerful engine and specific weapons. The power plant here was also a licensed copy - this time the Avon Mk.47A engine with a Swedish afterburner, which was capable of delivering 2000 kg more thrust compared to the A32 A engine. The new engine also required geometrical and design changes in the air intakes and the jet nozzle. The interceptor received more powerful course armament - four 30mm cannons, copies of the British Aden. There are only four suspension points for further armament, but there is a possibility of installing air-to-air missiles - the US made AIM-9B Sidewinder. However, to work on ground targets, a fighter could also take rockets into battle. The Swedish Air Force ordered 120 of the J32B, this model remained in service until 1973, along with more modern supersonic fighters.

== Media ==


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* [https://live.warthunder.com/feed/camouflages/?vehicleCountry=sweden&vehicleType=aircraft&vehicleClass=jet_fighter&vehicle=saab_j32b Skins and camouflages for the {{PAGENAME}} from live.warthunder.com.]

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{{Youtube-gallery|6yUrv5UsiXU|'''The Shooting Range #183''' - ''Metal Beasts'' section at 00:32 discusses the J.32B.}}

== See also ==


* [[A32A]] - Attack variant of the same aircraft

== External links ==


* [[wt:en/news/6519-development-j32-lansen-flying-lance-en|[Devblog] J32 Lansen: Flying Lance]]
* [https://forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/474728-j-32b-lansen/ Official data sheet - more details about the performance]

{{AirManufacturer Saab}}
{{Sweden jet aircraft}}

J29F

2021-06-28T07:39:15Z

U29809634: /* Flight performance */ Edited stock performance values

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| about = Swedish jet fighter '''{{PAGENAME}}'''
| usage = other versions
| link = J29 (Family)
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== Description ==

The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a rank {{Specs|rank}} Swedish jet fighter {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update 1.95 "Northern Wind"]].

The J29F is the final variant of the J29 "Tunnan" family, combining excellent engine performance, and manoeuvrability for a well-rounded fighter at its battle rating. It is the only J29 able to be outfitted with the [[Rb24]] air-to-air missiles.

== General info ==
=== Flight performance ===
{{Specs-Avia-Flight}}


The J29F will come off as heavy and quite sluggish for any pilots new to the plane. But when the J29F gets upgraded with suspended armaments and better performance, the plane starts to feel a bit more capable. The superior roll rate and vertical energy come in handy in many situations, and with two Rb24 air-to-air missiles, the J29F becomes a threat to most enemies in the sky. The J29F can be described as a "Jack of all trades" in many areas. Even if the J29F is outclassed in every area by some vehicle, a pilot who knows their enemies will find a way to outperform them in this plane. Players with previous experience in the [[J29A]] or [[J/A29B]] will most likely find the new afterburner a welcome upgrade to the vehicle. The RM2B engine carries this plane in any direction the pilot wishes and significantly improves the acceleration. However, just like all the other J29 variants, the J29F suffers from bad defensive capabilities. While many opponents find it easy to get rid of people behind them, the J29F has a hard time both losing energy and maneuvering in different directions. This makes it difficult to get rid of opponents following close behind, which should always be taken into consideration when planning an attack.

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="70%"
! rowspan="2" | Characteristics
! colspan="2" | Max Speed (km/h at 0 m - sea level)
! rowspan="2" | Max altitude (metres)
! colspan="2" | Turn time (seconds)
! colspan="2" | Rate of climb (metres/second)
! rowspan="2" | Take-off run (metres)
|-
! AB !! RB !! AB !! RB !! AB !! RB
|-
! Stock
| 1,032 || 1,026 || rowspan="2" | {{Specs|ceiling}} || 29.3 || 30.7 || 48.7 || 45.1 || rowspan="2" | 800
|-
! Upgraded
| 1,048 || 1,040 || 28.7 || 29.0 || 70.6 || 59.0
|-
|}

==== Details ====
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="50%"
|-
! colspan="6" | Features
|-
! Combat flaps !! Take-off flaps !! Landing flaps !! Air brakes !! Arrestor gear !! Drogue chute
|-
| ✓ || ✓ || ✓ || ✓ || X || X 
|-
|}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="50%"
|-
! colspan="7" | Limits
|-
! rowspan="2" | Wings (km/h)
! rowspan="2" | Gear (km/h)
! colspan="3" | Flaps (km/h)
! colspan="2" | Max Static G
|-
! Combat !! Take-off !! Landing !! + !! -
|-
| {{Specs|destruction|body}} || {{Specs|destruction|gear}} || 800 || 575 || 350 || ~11 || ~5
|-
|}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="4" | Optimal velocities (km/h)
|-
! Ailerons !! Rudder !! Elevators !! Radiator
|-
| < 650 || < 640 || < 450 || N/A
|-
|}

==== Engine performance ====
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="3" | Engine
! colspan="4" | Aircraft mass
|-
! colspan="2" | Engine name || Number
! colspan="2" | Empty mass || colspan="2" | Wing loading (full fuel)
|-
| colspan="2" | Svenska Flygmotor RM2B || 1
| colspan="2" | 4,920 kg || colspan="2" | 255 kg/m2
|-
! colspan="3" | Engine characteristics
! colspan="3" | Mass with fuel (no weapons load) || rowspan="2" | Max Takeoff Weight
|-
! Weight (each) || colspan="2" | Type
! 8m fuel || 20m fuel || 28m fuel
|-
| 1,150 kg || colspan="2" | Afterburning centrifugal-flow turbojet
| 5,418 kg || 6,156 kg || 6,647 kg || 7,080 kg
|-
! colspan="3" | {{Annotation|Maximum engine thrust @ 0 m (RB / SB)|The maximum thrust produced by each engine, while mounted in the aircraft. NOTE: Thrust varies significantly depending on speed & altitude.}}
! colspan="4" | Thrust to weight ratio @ 0 m (WEP)
|-
! Condition || 100% || WEP
! 8m fuel || 20m fuel || 28m fuel || MTOW
|-
| ''Stationary'' || 2,070 kgf || 2,881 kgf
| 0.53 || 0.47 || 0.43 || 0.41
|-
| ''Optimal'' || 2,070 kgf (0 km/h) || 3,001 kgf (0 km/h)
| 0.55 || 0.49 || 0.45 || 0.42
|-
|}

=== Survivability and armour ===
{{Specs-Avia-Armour}}


[[File:Protection J29F.png|thumb|Armour found inside the J29F.]]
The J29F is outfitted with 3 armour plates spread out in different areas of the plane. The most important of which being the bulletproof glass of 64mm, which will save the pilots' life in most headons. The J29F is quite strong in terms of survivability, being able to tank a lot of low-caliber shells without much damage. This can help a J29F pilot stay in battle far longer than usual, or return to base safely. It is important, however, to avoid incoming damage since surviving incoming shells should never be expected as "survivable". Many shells will set the J29F on fire, knock out its engine, and destroy the tail section. All of which will by themselves put the J29F out of combat.

=== Modifications and economy ===
{{Specs-Economy}}

== Armaments ==
{{Specs-Avia-Armaments}}
=== Offensive armament ===
{{Specs-Avia-Offensive}}

{{main|Akan m/47C (20 mm)}}

The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' is armed with:

* 4 x 20 mm Akan m/47C cannons, chin-mounted (180 rpg = 720 total)

The firepower is the same as on all the other J29 variants found in the tech tree. The Swedish Akan m/49C is a somewhat potent 20 mm cannon that is comparable to the AN/M3 cannons found on the F9F-8. This gun can be experienced as weak when compared to 30 mm revolver cannons found at the same battle rating. But despite requiring a longer gun time, the high ammo count of 720 rounds will significantly help people who feel less comfortable with their aim.

=== Suspended armament ===
{{Specs-Avia-Suspended}}

{{main|RB24|srak m/55 Frida}}

The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' can be outfitted with the following ordnance:

* Without load
* 24 x 7,5 cm srak m/55 Frida rockets
* 2 x RB24 missiles

== Usage in battles ==


==== Fighting different enemies ====
In Realistic Battles, the J29F is similar in playstyle to that of a [[MiG-15bis]], while still sharing some similarities to the [[F-86F-25|F-86F-25 Sabre.]] A J29F keeps energy very well when the afterburner is used, giving it a strong rate of climb and acceleration. This means the J29F can easily energy fight most enemies it encounters. However, the J29F should never be seen as a one-trick pony. When coming face-to-face against stronger and faster opponents, energy tactics can no longer be used. In that case, it can be better to use the superior turn- and roll-rate, to avoid incoming attacks from above. If missiles are researched, these enemies will most likely be forced to leave you alone since they have a hard time dodging the 10g pull of the Rb24.

It is very important to know your enemies when using the J29F, to apply the right tactics against them. It is strongly recommended to look up the strengths and weaknesses of different opponents it may face. The J29F is never the strongest in any area but is always better than its enemy in one or two areas, which should always be exploited.

==== Using the Rb24 ====
The J29F is the only J29 "Tunnan" equipped with air-to-air missiles. The Rb24 is a license-built variant of the American Aim-9B missile. This missile is one of the key upgrades the J29F can use to its advantage. The Rb24 is quite slow when it comes to launching, and tracks enemies quite poorly. Despite this, the missile forces faster opponents to extend, and unaware opponents to combust. The missile gives the J29F more ways to deal with enemies, at a slight performance cost.

When using these missiles in battle, it can be useful to go for a Side-rushing strategy. This will put the plane in a superior energy situation if combined with climbing. This strategy helps the missile the most since it lets the J29F appear behind enemies, to launch the Rb24 when they're busy. It can also be important to get rid of the suspended armament as soon as possible, to improve the overall flight performance. Missiles shouldn't be wasted, however, since they help in dealing with faster targets. The Rb24 isn't very good at turning but can easily eliminate fighters climbing upwards, or those travelling at slow speeds. The optimal launch distance for the Rb24 is between 1 - 3 kilometers.

==== Rushing ====
In Realistic Battles, a fairly common strategy is the so-called "rush" strategy. During a rush, a jet pilot will maximize speed rather than altitude, trying to intercept enemy players who won't expect them. The rush strategy can be used in the J29F to a certain degree. Since the J29F has an average top speed, getting to the enemy team can be done quite swiftly. It's however, still recommended to gain some altitude since speed won't be lost when pushing the plane slightly upwards.

The rush strategy can allow a J29F pilot to easily shoot down planes who don't expect it and works wonders when paired with some altitude. The only downside is that the J29F might be attacked by an overwhelming amount of enemies, forcing the J29F to play defensively. This is why the Rush strategy is recommended to pilots who have friends or teammates to back them up since it's very difficult to win a defensive situation.

==== Side-rushing ====
A more effective strategy in Realistic Battles is a side rushing strategy. This strategy is executed the same way as the rush strategy, except the jet is flown more towards the side, giving you extra time to gain speed. The J29F has no problem accelerating but dislikes being forced into a defensive situation. This strategy can be paired with a slight altitude gain to put the J29F in a superior position. Although the J29F won't be the first one to the battlefield, it will be able to down more planes by keeping people away from its back. A pilot should still be aware of his/her surroundings, in case the enemy decides to take a similar route.

The side-rushing strategy also improves the usefulness of the Rb24 air-to-air missiles. The side-rush can be utilized to end up behind the enemy team, making good use of the Rear-Aspect lock technique. However, these attacks are usually achieved when fighting against unaware players.

=== Pros and cons ===


'''Pros:'''

* Strong energy retention
* Superior roll-rate compared to other jets it faces
* High ammo count
* Fast acceleration
* Tough airframe being able to tank shots
* Two RB24 air-to-air missiles

'''Cons:'''

* Mediocre top speed
* Sluggish tail controls - weak when flown defensively
* Underwhelming firepower - requires more gun time than the J29D
* Short landing gear - becomes difficult to land when damaged
* Tiny air-brakes - Makes it difficult to force an overshoot

== History ==

=== Initial development ===
During WWII, Sweden had effectively fallen behind in the development of military aircraft. This was largely due to a severely underdeveloped aircraft engine industry in Sweden which meant that there were no high-end engines available for aircraft production. Thus Sweden was still projecting propeller-driven fighter aircraft in 1945 equivalent to fighters projected by other nations 1-3 years prior. Since it was obvious by 1945 that jet aircraft was the future the Swedish Air Force decided to immediately scrap all propeller-driven fighter projects and instead make the jump to a jet fighter. Sweden's leading aeronautical firm SAAB, who was already actively working with the Swedish Air Force on the previously mentioned propeller fighters, was tasked with projecting this new jet fighter. Several designs were looked at but by mid-1945 it was decided that a mid-high wing aircraft with a central air intake would be the best option. Due to the mid-high wing it was not possible to house the landing gear in the wings. Instead, it was decided to house the landing gear in the fuselage of the aircraft. This concept got the project name R1001, R standing for "reaktionsmotor" (reaction engine), the Swedish military term for jet engines.

The original specifications for the R1001 called for a radar rangefinder, four Bofors 20 mm akan m/45 cannons mounted in the nose with 180 rounds per gun, external fuel tanks and a top speed of 1,000 km/h. The engine was originally supposed to be an indigenous design by the company STAL but by late 1945 Sweden had gotten the green light for acquiring the new state-of-the-art de Havilland Ghost engine. There are several reasons why Sweden was allowed to buy this engine even before it was finished, but the two main factors were the economic state of Britain after the war and Sweden's good relations with the company de Havilland. The engine was however not the only thing which changed at an early stage. Originally the R1001 featured straight wings, as was common at the time. However, by pure luck Sweden was able to acquire some German WWII research papers from a Swiss source regarding swept wings on aircraft and their increased performance at high speeds. Thus it was decided to change the R1001 design to feature swept wings. The first blueprints of the R1001 featuring swept wings were finished by late 1945 and within 3 years a prototype had been constructed and was ready for flight testing. During these 3 years the design would change even further from the original concept. The radar rangefinder was dropped for unknown reasons, and the Bofors cannons were switched for Hispano designs due to delays at Bofors. By 1947 the aircraft had also received the designation J29.

=== Testing and production ===
The J29 prototype flew for the first time on the 1st of September 1948 and immediately showed incredible performance. The pilot chosen for this flight was SAAB's test pilot at the time, an Englishmen by the name Robert A. "Bob" Moore. He was a British squadron leader with previous experience flying jets and was thus suitable for the tests. The test flight lasted for half an hour and after a successful landing, Moore stated that "on the ground, it's an ugly duckling, but in the air it's a swift." Like many aircraft which pick up a nickname due to a specific feature or shape, the J29 would fairly quickly receive the nickname "Flygande Tunnan" (The Flying Barrel) or just "Tunnan" (The Barrel) for short. Initially thought of as degrading, the nickname Tunnan would not only become the official name for the aircraft but would also start the SAAB tradition of naming their combat aircraft, a tradition which persists to this day.

After correcting a few production errors the prototype would not only achieve the specified top speed of 1,000 km/h but it would even surpass it, achieving a sustainable speed of 1,060 km/h at one point. The design of the J29 showed a lot of promise for the future and talk of future variants would begin even before production had started. In fact, just a month after the prototype had taken to the air, there was talk of implementing attack-rockets and deflatable internal fuel tanks.

Production of the first J29 variant, the J29A, would commence in 1950 and deliveries to the air force would start in early 1951. It was quickly realized that the internal fuel capacity of the J29A was too limited and work began on implementing the previously discussed internal deflatable fuel tanks. This would be realized in a new version of the J29, designated [[J/A29B|J29B]], which entered production and service in 1953. The J29B's new internal fuel tanks gave it a 50% increase in fuel capacity compared to the J29A. The J29B would be followed by an unarmed reconnaissance version called the S29C which had been planned at an early stage. The S29C was to be followed by the [[J29D]], featuring increased armament and an afterburner, but due to a variety of reasons the J29D never entered production. Instead, a modified version of the J29B, called the J29E, would enter service. The E-variant featured a new dog toothed wing which increased maneuverability at high speeds. The J29E was soon followed by the [[J29F]] which was an upgrade-program for 210 J29B and E aircraft, increasing their performance and allowing them to serve throughout the 1960s.

All in all, 661 J29s would be produced for the Swedish Air Force, the largest production run by SAAB ever. The last of these would serve until the late 1970s.

=== Legacy ===
The J29 was a truly historical wonder for its time. After being stranded for the duration of the war, Sweden managed to not only catch up with modern aircraft development in a short amount of time but it was also able to lead jet fighter development in Europe for the time and arguably even into modern times. The J29 was the first swept-wing jet fighter to be mass-produced in Europe and together with the Soviet [[MiG-15]] and American [[F-86A-5|F-86]] it set the bar for how the next generation of fighter aircraft should be. It was extremely fast for its time and actually managed to take home two closed-circuit world speed records during the mid 1950s.

Besides its international legacy, the J29 was the first Swedish-designed aircraft to see combat. In September 1961, as part of the Congo-crisis, five J29Bs were stationed in the Republic of Congo to contribute to a UN peacekeeping mission (ONUC) in the region. This led to the formation of the air wing F 22 which exclusively served in Congo. F 22 was later reinforced by four more J29Bs and two S29C reconnaissance planes in 1962. F 22 would quickly take air superiority in the area which in turn lead to them primarily performing attack-missions during the conflict. No aircraft were lost during the ONUC despite large amounts of ground fire. When the ONUC was terminated in 1964, the aircraft-type had been decommissioned in Sweden and thus it was decided to only send home a select few J29s to Sweden. The majority of the F 22 J29s were blown up on the spot in Congo when the Swedish left the area.

=== J29F ===
[[File:Airborne J29F.jpg|thumb|Airborne J29F from the 15th Air Division]]
The J29F was an upgrade-program spanning from 1956 to 1958, in which 210 [[J/A29B|of the J29B]] and J29E models were upgraded to F-standard. F-standard meant that the aircraft would be equipped with new dog-tooth wings originally introduced on the J29E but also the afterburning engine of the scrapped [[J29D]] project.

The J29F was an important step in prolonging the service life of the J29. Being an aircraft with its roots from 1945, the basic J29 was about to become obsolete by the early 1960s. By upgrading them to F-standard they would still be usable throughout the 1960s. This was increased in 1961 when the J29F was modified to carry [[RB24|RB24B]] (AIM-9B) sidewinder air-to-air missiles, allowing them to attack high altitude bombers from behind. Previously the idea was to attack bombers head-on using 75 mm [[Srak m/55 Frida|srak m/55]] rockets. The J29F came to see service with sidewinders all the way to 1978. It was finally decommissioned in 1978, 27 years after the initial type entered service.

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{{AirManufacturer Saab}}
{{Sweden jet aircraft}}

A32A

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== Description ==

The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a rank {{Specs|rank}} Swedish strike aircraft {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update 1.95 "Northern Wind"]].

The A32A "Lansen" was designed and developed by the Swedish company SAAB. The development began in 1948 and it first flew in 1952. Deliveries to the Swedish air force, Flygvapnet, began in 1954. In Flygvapnet it was used as a ground-attack aircraft, being able to carry a large array of different bombs and unguided rockets as well as four 20 mm Akan m/49 canons. It remained in service until 1978 but never saw use in combat. Powered by a license-built Rolls Royce Avon engine, locally designated the RM5, it was able to break the speed of sound in a dive, thus becoming the first Swedish aircraft to fly faster than the speed of sound.

== General info ==
=== Flight performance ===
{{Specs-Avia-Flight}}


{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="70%"
! rowspan="2" | Characteristics
! colspan="2" | Max Speed (km/h at 0 m - sea level)
! rowspan="2" | Max altitude (metres)
! colspan="2" | Turn time (seconds)
! colspan="2" | Rate of climb (metres/second)
! rowspan="2" | Take-off run (metres)
|-
! AB !! RB !! AB !! RB !! AB !! RB
|-
! Stock
| 1,088 || 1,084 || rowspan="2" | {{Specs|ceiling}} || 34.6 || 35.6 || 44.7 || 41.8 || rowspan="2" | 900
|-
! Upgraded
| 1,101 || 1,094 || 33.6 || 34.0 || 66.2 || 55.0
|-
|}

==== Details ====
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="50%"
|-
! colspan="6" | Features
|-
! Combat flaps !! Take-off flaps !! Landing flaps !! Air brakes !! Arrestor gear !! Drogue chute
|-
| ✓ || ✓ || ✓ || ✓ || X || X 
|-
|}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="50%"
|-
! colspan="7" | Limits
|-
! rowspan="2" | Wings (km/h)
! rowspan="2" | Gear (km/h)
! colspan="3" | Flaps (km/h)
! colspan="2" | Max Static G
|-
! Combat !! Take-off !! Landing !! + !! -
|-
| {{Specs|destruction|body}} || {{Specs|destruction|gear}} || 524 || 491 || 320 || ~11 || ~5
|-
|}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="4" | Optimal velocities (km/h)
|-
! Ailerons !! Rudder !! Elevators !! Radiator
|-
| < 850 || < 600 || < 600 || N/A
|-
|}

==== Engine performance ====
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="3" | Engine
! colspan="5" | Aircraft mass
|-
! colspan="2" | Engine name || Number
! colspan="2" | {{Annotation|Basic mass|Mass of the aircraft with pilot and engine oil, but no fuel or weapons load}} || colspan="3" | Wing loading (full fuel)
|-
| colspan="2" | Svenska Flygmotor RM5A || 1
| colspan="2" | 8,322 kg || colspan="3" | 297 kg/m2
|-
! colspan="3" | Engine characteristics
! colspan="4" | Mass with fuel (no weapons load) || rowspan="2" | Max Takeoff Weight
|-
! Weight (each) || colspan="2" | Type
! 14m fuel || 20m fuel || 30m fuel || 46m fuel
|-
| 1,350 kg || colspan="2" | Afterburning axial-flow turbojet
| 9,163 kg || 9,523 kg || 10,123 kg || 11,084 kg || 13,500 kg
|-
! colspan="3" | {{Annotation|Maximum engine thrust @ 0 m (RB / SB)|The maximum thrust produced by each engine, while mounted in the aircraft. NOTE: Thrust varies significantly depending on speed & altitude.}}
! colspan="5" | Thrust to weight ratio @ 0 m (WEP)
|-
! Condition || 100% || WEP
! 14m fuel || 20m fuel || 30m fuel || 46m fuel || MTOW
|-
| ''Stationary'' || 3,424 kgf || 4,633 kgf
| 0.51 || 0.49 || 0.46 || 0.42 || 0.34
|-
| ''Optimal'' || 3,424 kgf (0 km/h) || 4,899 kgf (1,000 km/h)
| 0.53 || 0.51 || 0.48 || 0.44 || 0.36
|-
|}

=== Survivability and armour ===
{{Specs-Avia-Armour}}


* 10 mm Steel - behind the pilot and radioman seats.
* 50 mm Bulletproof glass - Windscreen.
* 15 mm Steel - In front of forward pilot.
* 5 mm Steel - Below forward pilot.
* 5 mm Steel - Just in the upper front of the instrument panel.
* Self-sealing fuel tanks - 8 in each wing, 4 in the fuselage.

=== Modifications and economy ===
{{Specs-Economy}}

== Armaments ==
{{Specs-Avia-Armaments}}
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="4" | [[Ballistic Computer]]
|-
! CCIP (Guns) !! CCIP (Rockets) !! CCIP (Bombs) !! CCRP (Bombs)
|-
| {{Tick}} || {{Tick}} || {{Tick}} || {{Cross}}
|-
|}
=== Offensive armament ===
{{Specs-Avia-Offensive}}

{{main|Akan m/49 (20 mm)}}

The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' is armed with:

* 4 x 20 mm Akan m/49 cannons, nose-mounted (180 rpg = 720 total)

=== Suspended armament ===
{{Specs-Avia-Suspended}}

{{main|sb m/61 (120 kg)|mb m/50 (250 kg)|mb m/56 (500 kg)|mb m/50 (600 kg)}}
{{main|psrak m/49A|srak m/51|hprak m/49}}

The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' can be outfitted with the following ordnance:

* Without load
* 12 x 120 kg sb m/61 bombs (1,440 kg total)
* 5 x 250 kg mb m/50 bombs (1,250 kg total)
* 3 x 500 kg mb m/56 bombs (1,500 kg total)
* 3 x 600 kg mb m/50 bombs (1,800 kg total)
* 24 x psrak m/49A rockets
* 24 x srak m/51 rockets
* 12 x hprak m/49 rockets

== Usage in battles ==

In Air Realistic Battles, the A32A can make very effective use of its available bombs. The 3 x [[Mb m/50 (600 kg)|600 kg m/50 bombs]] deliver 480 kg of explosive mass each, which is more than enough to destroy a base at its tier. The aircraft has sufficient speed to outrun any enemy attackers in the initial phase of the match, and can generally drop its bombs on at least one base, if sufficient at avoiding [[Su-7B|Su-7]]s and/or [[Harrier (Family)|Harrier]]s. From there onwards, it's recommended to either return to the airfield, or pick off targets using the tactic described below.

An alternative route is the traditional fighter route. The A32A has an attacker spawn, and as a result may pursue enemy attackers, including but not limited to [[AV-8A|AV-8 Harriers]], [[Yak-38]]s, [[Vautour IIA IDF/AF (France)|Vautour]] bombers, and the easiest target, the [[A-4E Early|A-4E]]. The aircraft has mediocre manoeuvrability compared to its tier, but has quite decent energy retention, and can be effective if used as a boom and zoom aircraft, maintaining speed as much as possible. Unlike the fighter variant, the [[J32B|J32]], the A32 does not have missiles. This makes it entirely reliant on 4 x 20 mm cannons, which are sufficient in taking down anything that they hit. Be warned, the cannons have a finnicky placement on the bottom of the aircraft, and take some getting used to. The elevator will also lock up at high speeds, which can be a problem.

=== Pros and cons ===


'''Pros:'''

* Good climb rate
* Fast top speed
* Has 4 powerful nose-mounted cannons with high rate of fire, giving good one-second burst mass
* Good roll rate
* Fowler flap design provides excellent lift at low speeds
* Has a wide range of bombs and rockets loadouts, beneficial in tank RB
* Has decent pilot protection & airframe endurance
* Radar warning receiver

'''Cons:'''

* Mediocre manoeuvrability, almost every opponent it faces can outmanoeuvre it
* Very inefficient airbrake design that requires high angle-of-attack or aggressive banking to slow down
* Large target making it easy to get hit
* High rate of fire with low ammo count (90 RPG): ammunition will deplete very quickly, strict trigger control required
* Can be difficult to land as landing flaps rip above 300 km/h

== History ==

The A32A Lansen was the initial ground-attack variant of the Saab 32 ‘Lansen’ attacker / fighter aircraft. Designed to replace the obsolete propeller-powered Saab 18, the aircraft’s design was influenced by late-war German aircraft designs such as the P. 1101, P.1110, P.1111 and P.1112. The aircraft featured a conventional low-mounted swept-wing with a sleek fuselage housing a two-man crew, while the later J 32 fighter variant had a single crewmember. The A32A was introduced in 1955 with a total of 287 aircraft built for the attack role, serving until the end of the 1970s.

Following the end of the Second World War, the primary Swedish ground-attack aircraft was the obsolete Saab 18, a propeller-driven aircraft initially designed in the late 1930s. The initial design was influenced by late-war German aircraft designs such as the P. 1101, P.1110, P.1111 and P.1112, whose blueprints were given to Saab by former Messerschmitt engineers who fled to Switzerland. Among these engineers was Hermann Behrbohm, who would become a key contributor to the Saab 29, 32 and J 35 programs.

In terms of design, the A32A had a sleek fuselage with a low-mounted wing swept 35 degrees. The aircraft was powered by a Svenska Flygmotor RM5, which was a license-produced version of the Rolls-Royce Avon jet engine. This engine provided the A 32A with a thrust-to-weight ratio of ~0.3, while the later J32B fighter featured a heavily-upgraded RM6 engine producing significantly-more thrust. From the outset, the A32A was designed to house significant amounts of electronic warfare and weapons systems. The aircraft carried four 20 mm Oerlikon aircraft cannons in the nose, and could be fitted with unguided weapons including rockets and bombs up to 600 kg. The A32A could also carry two Rb 04 anti-ship missiles, one of the first cruise missiles to enter service.

In total, 287 A32A Lansens were produced for the Swedish Air Force between 1955 and 1957, replacing the Saab 18. The aircraft proved to be fairly reliable in service in terms of both aircraft and weapons systems. Additionally, the A32A was intended to carry nuclear weapons as part of Sweden’s nuclear program; these plans were shelved with the end of Sweden’s nuclear program. The A32A was Sweden’s last dedicated ground-attack aircraft; the last airframes were phased out in the 1970s in favour of the AJ 37 Viggen.

== Media ==


;Skins

* [https://live.warthunder.com/feed/camouflages/?vehicleCountry=sweden&vehicleType=aircraft&vehicleClass=assault&vehicle=saab_a32a Skins and camouflages for the {{PAGENAME}} from live.warthunder.com.]

;Images
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Image:A32A over the sea!.jpg|A32A
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;Videos
{{Youtube-gallery|s6mS74VckHw|'''Nothing To OFFER! A32A! - Sweden - Review!''' - ''Jengar''}}

== See also ==


;Related development

* [[J32B]] - Fighter variant of the aircraft.

== External links ==


* [https://forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/480094-a-32a-lansen/ Official data sheet - more details about the performance]
* [[wikipedia:Saab_32_Lansen|[Wikipedia] Saab 32 Lansen]]

{{AirManufacturer Saab}}
{{Sweden jet aircraft}}

A29B

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{{About
| about = Swedish jet fighter '''{{PAGENAME}}'''
| usage = other versions
| link = J29 (Family)
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{{Specs-Card
|code=saab_j29b
|images={{Specs-Card-Image|GarageImage_J_A29B.jpg}}
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== Description ==

The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a rank {{Specs|rank}} Swedish jet fighter {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update 1.95 "Northern Wind"]].

The J/A29B was fitted with internal deflatable fuel tanks that give this fighter more flexible fuel options when compared to the [[J29A]], this variant also gets suspended armament in the form of unguided rockets

== General info ==
=== Flight performance ===
{{Specs-Avia-Flight}}


{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="70%"
! rowspan="2" | Characteristics
! colspan="2" | Max Speed (km/h at 0 m - sea level)
! rowspan="2" | Max altitude (metres)
! colspan="2" | Turn time (seconds)
! colspan="2" | Rate of climb (metres/second)
! rowspan="2" | Take-off run (metres)
|-
! AB !! RB !! AB !! RB !! AB !! RB
|-
! Stock
| 993 || 962 || rowspan="2" | {{Specs|ceiling}} || 30.4 || 31.2 || 19.5 || 18.3 || rowspan="2" | 800
|-
! Upgraded
| 1,027 || 1,015 || 28.8 || 29.0 || 31.1 || 25.0
|-
|}

==== Details ====
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="50%"
|-
! colspan="6" | Features
|-
! Combat flaps !! Take-off flaps !! Landing flaps !! Air brakes !! Arrestor gear !! Drogue chute
|-
| ✓ || ✓ || ✓ || ✓ || X || X 
|-
|}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="50%"
|-
! colspan="7" | Limits
|-
! rowspan="2" | Wings (km/h)
! rowspan="2" | Gear (km/h)
! colspan="3" | Flaps (km/h)
! colspan="2" | Max Static G
|-
! Combat !! Take-off !! Landing !! + !! -
|-
| {{Specs|destruction|body}} || {{Specs|destruction|gear}} || 800 || 575 || 350 || ~11 || ~5
|-
|}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="4" | Optimal velocities (km/h)
|-
! Ailerons !! Rudder !! Elevators !! Radiator
|-
| < 650 || < 640 || < 450 || N/A
|-
|}

==== Engine performance ====
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="3" | Engine
! colspan="5" | Aircraft mass
|-
! colspan="2" | Engine name || Number
! colspan="2" | {{Annotation|Basic Mass|Mass of the aircraft with pilot and engine oil, but no fuel or weapons load}} || colspan="3" | Wing loading (full fuel)
|-
| colspan="2" | Svenska Flygmotor RM2 || 1
| colspan="2" | 5,057 kg || colspan="3" | 288 kg/m2
|-
! colspan="3" | Engine characteristics
! colspan="4" | Mass with fuel (no weapons load) || rowspan="2" | Max Takeoff Weight
|-
! Weight (each) || colspan="2" | Type
! 10m fuel || 20m fuel || 30m fuel || 35m fuel
|-
| 1,150 kg || colspan="2" | Axial-flow turbojet
| 5,548 kg || 6,040 kg || 6,531 kg || 6,777 kg || 7,080 kg
|-
! colspan="3" | {{Annotation|Maximum engine thrust @ 0 m (RB / SB)|The maximum thrust produced by each engine, while mounted in the aircraft. NOTE: Thrust varies significantly depending on speed & altitude.}}
! colspan="5" | Thrust to weight ratio @ 0 m (100%)
|-
! Condition || 100% || WEP
! 10m fuel || 20m fuel || 30m fuel || 35m fuel || MTOW
|-
| ''Stationary'' || 2,150 kgf || N/A
| 0.39 || 0.36 || 0.33 || 0.32 || 0.30
|-
| ''Optimal'' || 2,150 kgf (0 km/h) || N/A
| 0.39 || 0.36 || 0.33 || 0.32 || 0.30
|-
|}

=== Survivability and armour ===
{{Specs-Avia-Armour}}


; Armour

* 64 mm bulletproof canopy windscreen
* 10 mm steel plate behind pilot's seat
* 10 mm steel plate in the nose, in front of pilot

The stout little J/A29B is a sneaky little fighter which might be underestimated during a head-on. A 64 mm bulletproof windscreen is in place, which, since it is sloped, provides 165 mm total protection, allowing the pilot to have a greater chance of survival in a head-on. However, unless highly experienced, pilots should avoid head-ons, especially against aircraft such as the [[Super Mystere B2]] and the [[G.91 YS]] which also feature 30 mm DEFA 552 cannons. Make sure to avoid the B2 as well, as the AA.20 air-to-air guided rockets will make the J/A29B have a hard time standing up to this aircraft.

=== Modifications and economy ===
{{Specs-Economy}}

== Armaments ==
{{Specs-Avia-Armaments}}
=== Offensive armament ===
{{Specs-Avia-Offensive}}

{{main|Akan m/47C (20 mm)}}

The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' is armed with:

* 4 x 20 mm akan m/47C cannons, chin-mounted (180 rpg = 720 total)

=== Suspended armament ===
{{Specs-Avia-Suspended}}

{{main|srak m/55 Frida|psrak m/49A|srak m/51|hprak m/49}}

The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' can be outfitted with the following ordnance:

* Without load
* 24 x 7,5 cm srak m/55 Frida rockets
* 14 x 14,5 cm psrak m/49A rockets
* 14 x 15 cm srak m/51 rockets
* 4 x 18 cm hprak m/49 rockets

== Usage in battles ==

The J/A29B is armed with 4 x 20 mm Akan m/47C cannons, but still lack a bit of a punch for a fighter. The J/A29B has a good top speed but its acceleration is not the quickest. Once it has built up speed it can catch most enemy jets that it will face, but having an altitude advantage to dive on the target will help get that extra acceleration to hunt down targets.

Turning with the J/A29B is a bad idea since the plane bleeds speed when turning. Even though the J/A29B is good at turning, it can only do so for a small amount of time, before losing enough speed to be easy target for incoming enemies. The J/A29B's strengths are the Hit & Run tactic also known as Boom & Run. Should the J/A29B be uptiered against 8.7, it will struggle to keep up with the enemy jets but that will make the J/A29B an excellent support fighter: when Allied jets are engaged in combat with the enemy and make that enemy bleed its speed, the J/A29B can swoop in and help the teammate.

When taking off with ordnance in RB and Sim modes you must be careful, the J/A29B struggles to get off the runway; spooling, pressuring your front landing gear right before you engage flaps, and using flaps are all essential for a safe takeoff in this plane.

=== Pros and cons ===


'''Pros:'''

* High speed in a straight line.
* Powerful cannons with decent ammunition pool and access to very good AA belts.
* Good ordnance selection for ground attack.
* Effective airbrake and flaps.
* Great turning ability at speed.
* Good roll rate.
* High quantity of rockets which launch individually.

'''Cons:'''

* Slow acceleration.
* Slow climb rate.
* Relatively large target in Ground Battles for SPAA.
* Struggles to get off the runway with some loads.
* Extremely sluggish turning capability at low speed. Will dump speed when turning also.

== History ==

=== Initial development ===
During WWII, Sweden had effectively fallen behind in the development of military aircraft. This was largely due to a severely underdeveloped aircraft engine industry in Sweden which meant that there were no high-end engines available for aircraft production. Thus Sweden was still projecting propeller-driven fighter aircraft in 1945 equivalent to fighters projected by other nations 1-3 years prior. Since it was obvious by 1945 that jet aircraft was the future the Swedish Air Force decided to immediately scrap all propeller-driven fighter projects and instead make the jump to a jet fighter. Sweden's leading aeronautical firm SAAB, who was already actively working with the Swedish Air Force on the previously mentioned propeller fighters, was tasked with projecting this new jet fighter. Several designs were looked at but by mid-1945 it was decided that a mid-high wing aircraft with a central air intake would be the best option. Due to the mid-high wing it was not possible to house the landing gear in the wings. Instead, it was decided to house the landing gear in the fuselage of the aircraft. This concept got the project name R1001, R standing for "reaktionsmotor" (reaction engine), the Swedish military term for jet engines.

The original specifications for the R1001 called for a radar rangefinder, four Bofors 20 mm akan m/45 cannons mounted in the nose with 180 rounds per gun, external fuel tanks and a top speed of 1,000 km/h. The engine was originally supposed to be an indigenous design by the company STAL but by late 1945 Sweden had gotten the green light for acquiring the British "in development" de Havilland Ghost engine. There are several reasons why Sweden was allowed to buy this new powerful engine even before it was finished, but the two main factors were the economic state of Britain after the war and Sweden's good relations with the company de Havilland. The engine was however not the only thing which changed at an early stage. Originally the R1001 featured straight wings, as was common at the time. However, by pure luck Sweden was able to acquire some German WWII research papers from a Swiss source regarding swept wings on aircraft and their increased performance at high speeds. Thus it was decided to change the R1001 design to feature swept wings. The first blueprints of the R1001 featuring swept wings were finished by late 1945 and within 3 years a prototype had been constructed and was ready for flight testing. During these 3 years the design would change even further from the original concept. The radar rangefinder was dropped for unknown reasons, and the Bofors cannons were switched for Hispano designs due to delays at Bofors. By 1947 the aircraft had also received the designation J29.

=== Testing and production ===
The J29 prototype flew for the first time on the 1st of September 1948 and immediately showed incredible performance. The pilot chosen for this flight was SAAB's test pilot at the time, an Englishmen by the name Robert A. "Bob" Moore. He was a British squadron leader with previous experience flying jets and was thus suitable for the tests. The test flight lasted for half an hour and after a successful landing, Moore stated that "on the ground, it's an ugly duckling, but in the air it's a swift." Like many aircraft which pick up a nickname due to a specific feature or shape, the J29 would fairly quickly receive the nickname "Flygande Tunnan" (The Flying Barrel) or just "Tunnan" (The Barrel) for short. Initially thought of as degrading, the nickname Tunnan would not only become the official name for the aircraft but would also start the SAAB tradition of naming their combat aircraft, a tradition which persists to this day.

After correcting a few production errors the prototype would not only achieve the specified top speed of 1,000 km/h but it would even surpass it, achieving a sustainable speed of 1,060 km/h at one point. The design of the J29 showed a lot of promise for the future and talk of future variants would begin even before production had started. In fact, just a month after the prototype had taken to the air, there was talk of implementing attack-rockets and deflatable internal fuel tanks.

Production of the first J29 variant, the J29A, would commence in 1950 and deliveries to the air force would start in early 1951. It was quickly realized that the internal fuel capacity of the J29A was too limited and work began on implementing the previously discussed internal deflatable fuel tanks. This would be realized in a new version of the J29, designated [[J/A29B|J29B]], which entered production and service in 1953. The J29B's new internal fuel tanks gave it a 50% increase in fuel capacity compared to the J29A. The J29B would be followed by an unarmed reconnaissance version called the S29C which had been planned at an early stage. The S29C was to be followed by the [[J29D]], featuring increased armament and an afterburner, but due to a variety of reasons the J29D never entered production. Instead, a modified version of the J29B, called the J29E, would enter service. The E-variant featured a new dog toothed wing which increased maneuverability at high speeds. The J29E was soon followed by the [[J29F]] which was an upgrade-program for 210 J29B and E aircraft, increasing their performance and allowing them to serve throughout the 1960s.

All in all, 661 J29s would be produced for the Swedish Air Force, the largest production run by SAAB ever. The last of these would serve until the late 1970s.

=== Legacy ===
The J29 was a truly historical wonder for its time. After being stranded for the duration of the war, Sweden managed to not only catch up with modern aircraft development in a short amount of time but it was also able to lead jet fighter development in Europe for the time and arguably even into modern times. The J29 was the first swept-wing jet fighter to be mass-produced in Europe and together with the Soviet [[MiG-15]] and American [[F-86A-5|F-86]] it set the bar for how the next generation of fighter aircraft should be. It was extremely fast for its time and actually managed to take home two closed-circuit world speed records during the mid 1950s.

Besides its international legacy, the J29 was the first Swedish-designed aircraft to see combat. In September 1961, as part of the Congo-crisis, five J29Bs were stationed in the Republic of Congo to contribute to a UN peacekeeping mission (ONUC) in the region. This led to the formation of the air wing F 22 which exclusively served in Congo. F 22 was later reinforced by four more J29Bs and two S29C reconnaissance planes in 1962. F 22 would quickly take air superiority in the area which in turn lead to them primarily performing attack-missions during the conflict. No aircraft were lost during the ONUC despite large amounts of ground fire. When the ONUC was terminated in 1964, the aircraft-type had been decommissioned in Sweden and thus it was decided to only send home a select few J29s to Sweden. The majority of the F 22 J29s were blown up on the spot in Congo when the Swedish left the area.

=== J/A29B ===
Between 1953 and 1955, SAAB would produce and deliver 361 J29Bs to the Swedish air force. These would come to serve in the Swedish air force up until the early 1960s.

As mentioned previously the J29B was fitted with new internal deflatable fuel tanks and these were located in the inner wings. This gave the J29Bs ~50% more fuel than its older brother the J29A. The J29B could also equip two under wing drop tanks weighing up to 600 kg each, which increased the range even further. Interestingly the drop tanks could also be armed as incendiary bombs via a switch box in the cockpit. Beyond drop tanks the aircraft were also capable of carrying a wide variety of rockets for different missions.

Due to delays with the [[A32A]]-development, the J29B would initially serve as an attack aircraft, being designated as the A29B. While rockets were available for the [[J29A]] it was decided to use the J29B as an attack aircraft due to it being a new aircraft type which could be sent directly to the attack wings. There they would stay until 1957 when the A32A finally entered service. Afterwards, they served as regular fighters under the designation J29B.

In Sweden, the J29B would be used until 1963 when the type was ultimately decommissioned due to being obsolete. However a large sum of J29Bs had by this time been upgraded to J29F standards, and these would serve until 1978.

== Media ==
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== See also ==
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== External links ==
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{{AirManufacturer Saab}}
{{Sweden jet aircraft}}

Su-9

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U29809634: /* Flight performance */ added upgraded stats

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|images={{Specs-Card-Image|GarageImage_{{PAGENAME}}.jpg}}
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== Description ==

The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a rank {{Specs|rank}} Soviet jet fighter {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update "Ixwa Strike"]].

== General info ==
=== Flight performance ===
{{Specs-Avia-Flight}}

''Describe how the aircraft behaves in the air. Speed, manoeuvrability, acceleration and allowable loads - these are the most important characteristics of the vehicle.''

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="70%"
! rowspan="2" | Characteristics
! colspan="2" | Max Speed (km/h at 6,000 m)
! rowspan="2" | Max altitude (metres)
! colspan="2" | Turn time (seconds)
! colspan="2" | Rate of climb (metres/second)
! rowspan="2" | Take-off run (metres)
|-
! AB !! RB !! AB !! RB !! AB !! RB
|-
! Stock
| 855 || 818 || rowspan="2" | {{Specs|ceiling}} || 29.4 || 31.0 || 15.7 || 15.7 || rowspan="2" | 1,000
|-
! Upgraded
| 927 || 886 || 28.8 || 29.0 || 27.4 || 21.0
|-
|}

==== Details ====
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="50%"
|-
! colspan="6" | Features
|-
! Combat flaps !! Take-off flaps !! Landing flaps !! Air brakes !! Arrestor gear !! Drogue chute
|-
| ✓ || ✓ || ✓ || ✓ || X || X 
|-
|}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="50%"
|-
! colspan="7" | Limits
|-
! rowspan="2" | Wings (km/h)
! rowspan="2" | Gear (km/h)
! colspan="3" | Flaps (km/h)
! colspan="2" | Max Static G
|-
! Combat !! Take-off !! Landing !! + !! -
|-
| {{Specs|destruction|body}} || {{Specs|destruction|gear}} || 558 || 529 || 380 || ~12 || ~4
|-
|}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="4" | Optimal velocities (km/h)
|-
! Ailerons !! Rudder !! Elevators !! Radiator
|-
| < 480 || < 580 || < 660 || N/A
|-
|}

==== Engine performance ====
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="3" | Engine
! colspan="6" | Aircraft mass
|-
! colspan="2" | Engine name || Number
! colspan="3" | {{Annotation|Basic mass|Mass of the aircraft with pilot and engine oil, but no fuel or weapons load}} || colspan="3" | Wing loading (full fuel)
|-
| colspan="2" | Klimov RD-10 || 2
| colspan="3" | 4,175 kg || colspan="3" | 288 kg/m2
|-
! colspan="3" | Engine characteristics
! colspan="5" | Mass with fuel (no weapons load) || rowspan="2" | Max Takeoff Weight
|-
! Weight (each) || colspan="2" | Type
! 15m fuel || 20m fuel || 30m fuel || 45m fuel || 50m fuel
|-
| 760 kg || colspan="2" | Axial-flow turbojet
| 4,729 kg || 4,904 kg || 5,268 kg || 5,815 kg || 6,021 kg || 6,520 kg
|-
! colspan="3" | {{Annotation|Maximum engine thrust @ 0 m (RB / SB)|The maximum thrust produced by each engine, while mounted in the aircraft. NOTE: Thrust varies significantly depending on speed & altitude.}}
! colspan="6" | Thrust to weight ratio @ 0 m (100%)
|-
! Condition || 100% || WEP
! 15m fuel || 20m fuel || 30m fuel || 45m fuel || 50m fuel || MTOW
|-
| ''Stationary'' || 874 kgf || N/A
| 0.37 || 0.36 || 0.33 || 0.30 || 0.29 || 0.27
|-
| ''Optimal'' || 874 kgf (0 km/h) || N/A
| 0.37 || 0.36 || 0.33 || 0.30 || 0.29 || 0.27
|-
|}

=== Survivability and armour ===
{{Specs-Avia-Armour}}


* 6 mm steel above pilot's head
* 12 mm steel headrest
* 12 mm steel behind pilot
* 15 mm steel behind frontal fuel tank
* 15 mm steel in front of armament
* 90 mm bulletproof glass in front of pilot
* Self-sealing fuel tanks (1 cleaver-shaped one behind pilot, 1 cleaver-shaped one in front of pilot)

=== Modifications and economy ===
{{Specs-Economy}}

== Armaments ==
{{Specs-Avia-Armaments}}
=== Offensive armament ===
{{Specs-Avia-Offensive}}

{{main|N-37 (37 mm)|NS-23 (23 mm)}}

The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' is armed with:

* 1 x 37 mm N-37 cannon, nose-mounted (40 rpg)
* 2 x 23 mm NS-23 cannons, nose-mounted (100 rpg = 200 total)

=== Suspended armament ===
{{Specs-Avia-Suspended}}

{{main|FAB-250M-46 (250 kg)|FAB-500M-46 (500 kg)}}

The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' can be outfitted with the following ordnance:

* Without load
* 1 x 250 kg FAB-250M-46 bomb (250 kg total)
* 2 x 250 kg FAB-250M-46 bombs (500 kg total)
* 1 x 500 kg FAB-500M-46 bomb (500 kg total)

== Usage in battles ==

''Describe the tactics of playing in the aircraft, the features of using aircraft in a team and advice on tactics. Refrain from creating a "guide" - do not impose a single point of view, but instead, give the reader food for thought. Examine the most dangerous enemies and give recommendations on fighting them. If necessary, note the specifics of the game in different modes (AB, RB, SB).''

=== Pros and cons ===

''Summarise and briefly evaluate the vehicle in terms of its characteristics and combat effectiveness. Mark its pros and cons in the bulleted list. Try not to use more than 6 points for each of the characteristics. Avoid using categorical definitions such as "bad", "good" and the like - use substitutions with softer forms such as "inadequate" and "effective".''

'''Pros:'''

* Airbrakes

'''Cons:'''

* Bad acceleration and bad climb rate

== History ==

''Describe the history of the creation and combat usage of the aircraft in more detail than in the introduction. If the historical reference turns out to be too long, take it to a separate article, taking a link to the article about the vehicle and adding a block "/History" (example: <nowiki>https://wiki.warthunder.com/(Vehicle-name)/History</nowiki>) and add a link to it here using the <code>main</code> template. Be sure to reference text and sources by using <code><nowiki><ref></ref></nowiki></code>, as well as adding them at the end of the article with <code><nowiki><references /></nowiki></code>. This section may also include the vehicle's dev blog entry (if applicable) and the in-game encyclopedia description (under <code><nowiki>=== In-game description ===</nowiki></code>, also if applicable).''

== Media ==


;Skins

* [https://live.warthunder.com/feed/camouflages/?vehicleCountry=ussr&vehicleType=aircraft&vehicleClass=jet_fighter&vehicle=su-9 Skins and camouflages for the {{PAGENAME}} from live.warthunder.com.]

;Videos
{{Youtube-gallery|ExA9b4wexHE|'''The Shooting Range #249''' - ''Pages of History'' section at 04:25 discusses the {{PAGENAME}}.}}

== See also ==

''Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:''

* ''reference to the series of the aircraft;''
* ''links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.''

== External links ==


* [https://forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/521167-sukhoi-su-9/ Official data sheet - more details about the performance]

{{AirManufacturer Sukhoi}}
{{USSR jet aircraft}}