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Ki-94-II

2024-10-24T12:00:17Z

U21187496: /* Pros and cons */ Outdated information about 30mm canons (velocity change/nerf was not considered)

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== Description ==

The '''{{Specs|name}}''' was a single-seat, piston-engine fighter designed by Tachikawa Aircraft Company for the Imperial Japanese Army Air Service. It was intended to intercept high-altitude B-29 bombers with a pressurized cockpit and four wing-mounted autocannons. The project started in 1943 as a revised version of the earlier Ki-94-I, which was a twin-boom push-pull design that was rejected as too complex. The Ki-94-II had a powerful Nakajima Ha-219 (Ha-44) engine and a six-blade propeller, but it never flew before the end of World War II. Only two prototypes were built, one of which was still being prepared for its maiden flight when the war ended with a four-blade propeller.

It was introduced during [[Update 1.69 "Regia Aeronautica"]] in the [[wt:en/news/4868/current|"Operation S.U.M.M.E.R." event of 2017]] after earning 13 pilot Marks of Distinction. The Ki-94-II is a prop aircraft designed for bomber intercepting and high-altitude combat. It has a powerful engine, long wings, and a responsive elevator, but a poor climb rate and engine response. It should use Boom-&-Zoom tactics when above the enemy, and Boom-&-Run tactics when at the same altitude. It should avoid turning fights with Spitfires, and use flaps, elevator keys and throttle control to out-turn P-47s and P-51Ds. It should also stay near teammates and watch out for its vulnerable fuel tanks.

== General info ==
=== Flight performance ===
{{Specs-Avia-Flight}}


{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="70%"
! rowspan="2" | Characteristics
! colspan="2" | Max Speed (km/h at 12,000 m)
! rowspan="2" | Max altitude (metres)
! colspan="2" | Turn time (seconds)
! colspan="2" | Rate of climb (metres/second)
! rowspan="2" | Take-off run (metres)
|-
! AB !! RB !! AB !! RB !! AB !! RB
|-
! Stock
| 687 || 673 || rowspan="2" | {{Specs|ceiling}} || 24.6 || 25.1 || 11.6 || 13.5 || rowspan="2" | 600
|-
! Upgraded
| 748 || 720 || 21.8 || 23.0 || 21.8 || 17.0
|-
|}

==== Details ====
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="50%"
|-
! colspan="5" | Features
|-
! Combat flaps !! Take-off flaps !! Landing flaps !! Air brakes !! Arrestor gear
|-
| ✓ || ✓ || ✓ || X || X 
|-
|}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="50%"
|-
! colspan="7" | Limits
|-
! rowspan="2" | Wings (km/h)
! rowspan="2" | Gear (km/h)
! colspan="3" | Flaps (km/h)
! colspan="2" | Max Static G
|-
! Combat !! Take-off !! Landing !! + !! -
|-
| {{Specs|destruction|body}} || {{Specs|destruction|gear}} || 580 || 471 || 280 || ~11 || ~6
|-
|}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="4" | Optimal velocities (km/h)
|-
! Ailerons !! Rudder !! Elevators !! Radiator
|-
| < 510 || < 450 || < 460 || > 324
|-
|}

=== Survivability and armour ===
{{Specs-Avia-Armour}}

There is limited armour protection for the pilot and other modules, but the coverage is not high. All the main modules - engine, fuel tanks, oil coolers - are located in the front of the fuselage and the inner part of the wings. This means the modules would likely absorb bullets coming from the front before they could harm the pilot, but the aircraft would likely be crippled after that. From the rear there are no major modules, but that also leaves the pilot very vulnerable from the rear.

* 70 mm Bulletproof glass - Armoured windscreen
* 8.5 mm Steel plate in the nose, behind engine

=== Modifications and economy ===
{{Specs-Economy}}

== Armaments ==
{{Specs-Avia-Armaments}}
=== Offensive armament ===
{{Specs-Avia-Offensive}}

{{main|Ho-155 (30 mm)|Ho-5 (20 mm)}}

The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' is armed with:

* 2 x 30 mm Ho-155 cannons, wing-mounted (100 rpg = 200 total)
* 2 x 20 mm Ho-5 cannons, wing-mounted (200 rpg = 400 total)

=== Suspended armament ===
{{Specs-Avia-Suspended}}

{{main|Army Type 94 GPHE (50 kg)|Army Type 92 GPHE (250 kg)}}

The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' can be outfitted with the following ordnance:

* Without load
* 2 x 50 kg Army Type 94 GPHE bombs (100 kg total)
* 2 x 250 kg Army Type 92 GPHE bombs (500 kg total)

== Usage in battles ==

The Tachikawa Ki-94-II should be used as a Boom & Zoomer and a Boom & Runner depending on the situation. The Ki-94-II should be above all enemy aircraft in order to Boom & Zoom. When used as a Boom & Zoomer, set the throttle to 20%-50%. The reason behind that is the Ki-94-II's engine response to throttle change from 0% to 100% or WEP is poor, it takes 5 seconds or more for the engine to go back to full power which can be a leave the plane really vulnerable if you're trying to climbing back to altitude without engine power. If you meet players at your height, that's when Boom & Run comes into place. After going head-on with them (if you do), do not turn back to them. Level your plane out and keep flying straight to gain speed and keep doing that until the enemy pilot turns away. After that, climb more then resume Boom & Zoom.

The Ki-94-II has a powerful engine, producing up to 2,440 hp in-game. It has long wings which resemble the ones of the Ta 152. The Ki-94-II's elevator is very responsive at 500-700 km/h which is impressive for a prop aircraft. However, the climb rate of the Ki-94-II is abysmal without modifications. With all modifications, it can climb with P-47s. The Ki-94-II is a durable plane, it can take quite a few hits to its airframe without dying immediately. However, the fuel tanks are not well-protected, so expect them to get lit on fire fairly easily.

The Ki-94-II's main role is bomber intercepting but it can also be used as a fighter. As said earlier, the Ki-94-II should climb above all enemies by side-climbing to Boom & Zoom. Boom & Run is used if you and another enemy are at the same altitude, level the plane out and keep flying straight until the enemy turns away. Stick to your teammates in case you need help.

Spitfires are your worse enemy. They climb and turn better. P-47s can be problematic, but the Ki-94-II can out-turn them with proper use of flaps, elevator keys and throttle control. P-51Ds can also be an issue of the pilots behind them know what they're doing. Bombers such as the B-17, the B-24 and the B-29 are not much of a threat as the Ki-94-II's main role is to intercept them, however look out for their gunners as they can be deadly.

=== Manual Engine Control ===
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="7" | MEC elements
|-
! rowspan="2" | Mixer
! rowspan="2" | Pitch
! colspan="3" | Radiator
! rowspan="2" | Supercharger
! rowspan="2" | Turbocharger
|-
! Oil !! Water !! Type
|-
| Controllable || Controllable Not auto controlled || Controllable Not auto controlled || Controllable Not auto controlled || Separate || Controllable 2 gears || Not controllable
|-
|}

=== Pros and cons ===


'''Pros:'''

* Good firepower, thanks to 30 mm cannons
* Efficient ammunition usage thanks to slow firing cannons and having more ammo than other rank IV Japanese fighters
* Good roll rate
* High red-line speed of over 800 km/h
* Excellent at high speed turning, retains good control and energy at speed
* Strong and effective flaps

'''Cons:'''

* Horrible stock performance
* Default belts for the 20 mm is not good, although 30 mm is decent
* Engine response to throttle is poor; takes approximately 5 or more seconds for the engine to go back to full power after setting it from 0% to 100% or WEP
* Mediocre acceleration overall
* Mediocre climb rate compared to planes at battle rating
* Is bested by most fighters unless at extremely high altitudes

== History ==

The Ki-94-II was Tachikawa Aircraft Company's response to the Japanese Imperial Army Air Service demands for a fast, high altitude interceptor featuring heavy armament as soon as Japanese intelligence learned about the B-29 to counter the B-29 raids as the aircraft available at that time for the IJAAS were inadequate to combat B-29s. The Ki-94-II was developed from the original Ki-94; the Ki-94-I which was an experimental high altitude interceptor with 2 propellers and a twin-tailed boom configuration (such as the tail of the Venom and the Vampire), one was a normal propeller on the front and the other was a pusher prop on the back. The Ki-94-II was created by Tatsuo Hasegawa. There were 2 prototypes of the Ki-94-II, one was fitted with a 4-blade propeller and the other one was to be fitted with a 6-blade propeller however the war ended before any of the prototypes made their maiden flight so the project was cancelled. The aircraft had 2 x 20 mm Ho-5 cannons and 2 x 30 mm Ho-155-I cannons, 150 rpg per 20 mm and 30 mm, 600 rounds in total.

== Media ==


;Skins

* [https://live.warthunder.com/feed/camouflages/?vehicle=ki_94_2 Skins and camouflages for the {{PAGENAME}} from live.warthunder.com.]

;Images
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File:Ki-94-II Alt camo.png|"Spotted Camouflage", given to owners when total tasks completed by community reaches 3,500,000 during the event.
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;Videos
{{Youtube-gallery|fphmndESyNU|'''The Shooting Range #60''' - ''Metal Beasts'' section at 00:31 discusses the Ki-94-II.|amZQtFjHAn4|'''The Shooting Range #82''' - ''Pages of History'' section at 05:02 discusses the Ki-94-II.}}

== See also ==
''Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:''

* ''reference to the series of the aircraft;''
* ''links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.''

== External links ==


* [[wt:en/news/4870-marathon-ki-94-ii-en|[Marathon] Ki-94-II]]
* [https://forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/376496-tachikawa-ki-94-ii/ Official data sheet - more details about the performance]

{{AirManufacturer Tachikawa}}
{{Japan fighters}}

Ki-87

2023-12-30T19:14:32Z

U21187496: Many changes. Pros/cons updates, Mec updates, combat strategies update

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== Description ==

The '''{{Specs|name}}''' was a high-altitude fighter-interceptor designed to counter the American B-29 Superfortress raids on Japan. It was powered by a Nakajima Ha-44-12 radial engine with an exhaust-driven turbo-supercharger, which gave it a high performance at altitudes above 10,000 meters. The Ki-87 had a pressurized cockpit, a four-bladed propeller, and a rearward folding undercarriage. It was armed with two 30 mm and two 20 mm cannons, and could carry a 250 kg bomb under the fuselage. The Ki-87 was developed from 1942, but faced delays due to technical problems and material shortages. Only one prototype was completed and flown in April 1945, but no production aircraft were built before the end of the war.

It was introduced in [[Update 1.63 "Desert Hunters"]] as a pack vehicle. The Ki-87 is a Japanese super prop with a powerful armament and a turbo-supercharger. It performs poorly in sharp turns, rolls slowly, and overheats on WEP. Manual engine control is needed to optimize its performance. The Ki-87 excels at high altitude combat, where it can outperform many planes and dive at high speeds. The cannons are very effective and can destroy bombers easily. The Ki-87 has a fair climb-rate and is able to maintain energy after a dive to regain altitude. The recommended settings are minimum fuel, 500 m gun convergence, vertical targeting, tracer belts for 30 mm and universal belts for 20 mm.

The Ki-87 was discontinued from the store after the [[wt:en/news/5611-shop-summer-sale-independence-day-en|2018 Independence Day Sale]], but was brought back for [[wt:en/news/6442-special-war-thunder-reaches-its-7th-year-en|War Thunder's 7th Anniversary]] as a premium purchasable in-game for 6,090 Golden Eagles {{ge}}.

== General info ==
=== Flight performance ===
[[File:Ki87 turbocharger.png|thumb|The Ki-87's turbocharger, used at high altitudes to bomber intercept]]
{{Specs-Avia-Flight}}

The flight performance feels slow and sluggish, yet powerful. The turning and energy retention is not good either. This plane also has overheating issues. to solve performance issues, it's always best to go for a side climb, especially when in uptiers! The plane dives insanely well. The turbo supercharger will keep the plane's performance up while at altitudes above 5,000 metres.

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="70%"
! rowspan="2" | Characteristics
! colspan="2" | Max Speed (km/h at 10,000 m)
! rowspan="2" | Max altitude (metres)
! colspan="2" | Turn time (seconds)
! colspan="2" | Rate of climb (metres/second)
! rowspan="2" | Take-off run (metres)
|-
! AB !! RB !! AB !! RB !! AB !! RB
|-
! Stock
| 684 || 664 || rowspan="2" | {{Specs|ceiling}} || 23.1 || 23.9 || 11.6 || 11.6 || rowspan="2" | 370
|-
! Upgraded
| 739 || 707 || 21.6 || 22.0 || 23.0 || 15.0
|-
|}

==== Details ====
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="50%"
|-
! colspan="5" | Features
|-
! Combat flaps !! Take-off flaps !! Landing flaps !! Air brakes !! Arrestor gear
|-
| ✓ || ✓ || ✓ || X || X 
|-
|}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="50%"
|-
! colspan="7" | Limits
|-
! rowspan="2" | Wings (km/h)
! rowspan="2" | Gear (km/h)
! colspan="3" | Flaps (km/h)
! colspan="2" | Max Static G
|-
! Combat !! Take-off !! Landing !! + !! -
|-
| {{Specs|destruction|body}} || {{Specs|destruction|gear}} || 457 || 428 || 280 || ~13 || ~6
|-
|}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="4" | Optimal velocities (km/h)
|-
! Ailerons !! Rudder !! Elevators !! Radiator
|-
| < 450 || < 450 || < 460 || > 324
|-
|}

=== Survivability and armour ===
[[File:Ki87 insidelooping.png|thumb|Ki-87 chases down an allied fighter]]
{{Specs-Avia-Armour}}


* 70 mm (63°) Bulletproof glass in cockpit front.
* 16 mm (12°) Steel plate behind the pilot.

=== Modifications and economy ===
{{Specs-Economy}}

== Armaments ==
[[File:Ki87 firesguns.png|thumb|The Ki-87's powerful armament consists of 2 x 20 mm cannons by the engine and 2 x 30 mm mounted in the wings]]
{{Specs-Avia-Armaments}}
=== Offensive armament ===
{{Specs-Avia-Offensive}}

{{main|Ho-155 (30 mm)|Ho-5 (20 mm)}}

The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' is armed with:

* 2 x 30 mm Ho-155 cannons, wing-mounted (150 rpg = 300 total)
* 2 x 20 mm Ho-5 cannons, wing-mounted (150 rpg = 300 total)

Japanese rank IV aircraft are typically armed with a respectable array of guns, and the Ki-87 is no exception. Although the 20 mm Ho-5s are nothing to write home about, the 30 mm cannons are some of the most feared, respected and deadly weapons in the entire game. When armed with the Tracer belt, the Japanese 30 mm cannons have a muzzle velocity that surpasses even the M2 and M3 Browning .50 cal HMGs at a staggering 920 m/s, and when combined with the high explosive filler and large calibre, these beasts will make short work of any aircraft that's unfortunate enough to end up in their crosshairs.

The usual issue with 30 mm cannons on WW2-era propeller planes - that being their lack of sufficient ammunition capacity - is notably absent on the Ki-87, which mounts 150 round per gun instead of the usual 60 seen on other aircraft like the [[Ki-84 hei]] and [[J7W1]]. Although this increased ammunition capacity is indeed wonderful, the pilot should still take care to not be too trigger happy, as the exceptional ballistics of the cannons will prevent the need to waste copious amounts of bullets on a single target, increasing the endurance of the aircraft in the hands of a patient pilot.

=== Suspended armament ===
[[File:Ki87 incoming.png|thumb|The guns on the Ki-87 do quite some damage to soft ground targets. The Ki-87 can also carry an additional 250 kg bomb]]
{{Specs-Avia-Suspended}}


{{main|Army Type 94 GPHE (50 kg)|Army Type 92 GPHE (250 kg)}}

The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' can be outfitted with the following ordnance:

* Without load
* 1 x 50 kg Army Type 94 GPHE bomb (50 kg total)
* 1 x 250 kg Army Type 92 GPHE bomb (250 kg total)

== Usage in battles ==
[[File:Ki87 side view.png|thumb|The majestic and hard to master Ki-87]]

Unlike the usual Japanese low-altitude and highly manoeuvrable fighter aircraft, the Ki-87 is a high-altitude bomber interceptor with mediocre speed and climb rate but less impressive agility. Featuring something relatively new for a Japanese fighter, the Ki-87 has a notably visible turbo-supercharger to boost its high altitude performance at the cost of aircraft weight and size. As such, it cannot be played like most other aircraft from the Japanese tree, but rather as a reserved Boom-&-Zoom that can abuse its brutal acceleration in a dive to pick off unwary victims.

For engaging the enemy, The Ki-87 is best at boom-and-zoom tactics. Sideclimb to around 6,000 m and fly over enemy formations, once in position roll the plane to target, maintain coordinated control and correct rudder as at that altitude it is very easy to stall. Descend fast but not so much that the controls get sluggish. Once lined up and in range fire a short burst, the very heavy armament will rip the enemy plane apart; even evasive countermeasures will be insufficient for a properly executed Boom & Zoom.

If no bombers are present, then you might have issues engaging enemy fighters. The Ki-87 can only do a 21 m/s climb at 17 degrees, which makes it vulnerable to being outclimbed by nearly everything. As such, you'll need to side climb and then engage from the side. Do not try to turn with anything.

Against heavily armed aircraft such as the B-17, B-24, and B-29, and other heavy bombers, climb at least 600 m above them use slashing boom and zoom tactic firing short bursts, once the bullets hit the target, fire longer busts then jump back up. Ideally you should aim for large critical parts such as the wings and tail plane. The cannons on the Ki-87 will make short work of essential components and being substantial offer best chance of hitting. Never attack behind and at nearly same speed as you become a perfect target for multiple weapons. The Ki-87's fuel tanks are somewhat easy to ignite, and you won't last long if they do.

=== Tactics to Win With ===
[[File:Ki87 gunview.png|thumb|Ki-87 Boom and Zooms a Bearcat]]

* '''Force head-ons''': The Ki-87 can't energy fight or turn fight with any props (save [[Ta 152 C-3]] and [[P-47M-1-RE]]). It will be outclassed. The only time you should ever turn fight is if the enemy is crippled or in a low energy state. To deal with fighters that are higher than you, you need to step up and force a head-on. Most likely, Allied players will take the head-on. Your guns' good velocity should be enough to kill them. Remember to pull off early, as even a quick burst can kill you. If the enemy is higher than you and appears to engage, dive down. The enemy will most likely level out. Keep your speed high, as this will allow you to pull up and engage in vertical head-ons. This is your last chance to score the kill, as the enemy will now be at an advantage.
* '''Keep your altitude''': You need to worry about speed and altitude. DO NOT go for ground targets, as you will be an easy target for enemy fighters (a low and slow Ki-87 is as good as dead). Instead, keep your speed and altitude high, and have spatial awareness. Know where your enemy is.
* '''B&Z''': Since you lack air spawn, you will have to spend 7-9 minutes on side climbing until you can confirm that you are higher than all enemy fighters. Don't let them see you during climb phase, if they aggro on you, you will have to waste a lot of time getting away from them (and only if they are not flying plane adapted to high altitudes). When you get above targeted enemy, remember to change MEC settings (Radiator 10% Prop Pitch 75%) and proceed with dive attack. Do not over commit. You need to kill target before speed in dive reaches 700 km/h IAS (elevator compression kicks in). Don't let yourself be dragged to less than 3000m. You will lose all limited performance edge you have on low altitude. Pursuit targets to low altitudes only when you are 100% sure, there is no other enemy at same altitude as you currently. Ki-87 energy retention greatly decreases with increase of air density.
* '''"Opportunity-Fighter"''': Stay at high altitudes (5500m and above) and look for lone targets. Avoid groups of enemies, even pairs. Wait for mistakes that enemy players will commit with passing time. Your capability as fighter is VERY limited. Take all occasions you can get. Play it safe. Your cards are very limited but you still has some. Take 20-30 min fuel load. Do not WEP when you reach desired altitude, WEP time is limited. Be protective of your altitude, do not let any enemies care freely climb to you, spitfires are exceptionally vulnerable during their climb. Conserve your energy to the best of your ability. There is no "uptier" or "downtier" for you, 4.7 fighters easily out do you. Stay cautious and reserved, you were brave enough to press "To Battle" button in that thing, no need to feel ashamed, run when you can, be as passive as it needed. Good luck and fight honorable. (Remember, if you will be overwhelmed by amount of enemies and simply will not see a way to win, return to main airfield, repair, and j-out to avoid all penalties. Those who leave battle after repairing on airfield, do not count as dead or neither have to pay repair costs).

=== Manual Engine Control ===
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="7" | MEC elements
|-
! rowspan="2" | Mixer
! rowspan="2" | Pitch
! colspan="3" | Radiator
! rowspan="2" | Supercharger
! rowspan="2" | Turbocharger
|-
! Oil !! Water !! Type
|-
| Controllable || Controllable Not auto controlled || Controllable Not auto controlled || Controllable Not auto controlled || Separate || Not controllable 1 gear || Auto controlled
|-
|}

You'll need to keep the prop pitch at 80-85-90% while in steeper climb (increase with altitude). This should not be done in prolonged manner as engine will fry very quickly on any other radiator setting than 100% (but this has serious impact on energy retention/speed).

Adjust prop pitch to 75% when traveling above 700 km/h.

After you reach desired altitude, and you are about to dive on someone or level out (15-10 degrees), change propeller pitch to 75% and radiator to 10% if you want to conserve as much energy as possible.

Change prop pitch back to 100% if you end up in vertical or stall fight (but only after you become slower than 350 km/h).

Prop pitch should be gradually increased when in level flight (5-10 degrees) for max performance with increasing altitude.

=== Pros and cons ===
[[File:Ki87 bluedive.png|thumb|The Ki-87 pulls out of a steep dive]]


'''Pros:'''

* Excels in high-altitude bomber intercepting.
* Decent gun velocity, you can engage bombers from 1 km away.
* Powerful armament consisting of 2 x 30 mm cannons and 2 x 20 mm cannons.
* No wing-mounted fuel tanks.
* 30 mm cannons have a huge amount of ammo.
* High red-line speed of 840 km/h.
* Fast at diving.
* Can equip bombs, although it will affect the aircraft's speed and turning time.
* Sturdier than your typical Japanese fighter (yet still fragile compared to other nations).
* Competitive horsepower output at 8000m thanks to turbocharger (Can runaway from planes that were not adapted to fight at high altitudes, while maintaining shallow climb angle).

'''Cons:'''

* Manual Engine Controls are required to play plane competitively. Auto settings greatly hinder plane (already limited) performance.
* Not as maneuverable as other aircraft, it's very sluggish.
* Really bad energy retention without MEC, especially when coming out of a dive.
* Fuselage fuel-tank is susceptible to fire.
* Mediocre climb rate (19m/s).
* No interceptor spawn, has to spend 8 minutes on side climbing.
* 30 mm HEF-T has only a maximum penetration of 2 mm.
* 30 mm HEF round fuze will not trigger unless it hits some aircraft component (wing spar, fuel tank, crew member).
* Begins to lock up at around 700 km/h (435 mph).
* Can engage fighters only when it is in higher energy state than it's enemy. Any other 1v1 engagement will lead to death.

== History ==

Improved metallurgy and engineering in the 1930s saw a massive leap in aircraft performance, especially the once bulky, boxy, lumbering bombers reborn as sleek and sexy machines that left old fashioned wooden fighters in its vapour trail. It was not long before those flying rag fighters were also updated with gleaming aluminum and once again surpassed the bombers top speed. Yet bombers still had a trick up their sleeves, altitude.

Flying above 9,000 m (29,500 ft) in super cold thin air and rarefied oxygen was both a technical and physiological challenge. The long wings and large interiors of bombers offered space needed for extreme high altitude flight, example the Ju 86P/R bomber which flew above 12,000 m (40,000 ft) with impunity over England, beyond the RAFs reach for months. The B-17 and B-24 could also operate at altitudes the Bf 109 and Fw 190 had difficulty reaching.

Predicting the same for Japan, the military wisely ordered research into high altitude single engine fighters as early as 1942 and by 1943 work was underway on the future Nakajima Ki-87 and the alternate Tachikawa Ki-94. At 12,000 m the air density is about 1/4 that of sea level necessitating a huge supercharged engine, but its internal "blower" needed an additional boost so a "turbo-supercharger" was added, powered by high velocity exhaust gas. This combination is exactly like the P-47 Thunderbolt has, except this time the turbo was mounted on the right side of nose on the prototypes and not in rear fuselage. High aspect-ratio wings were chosen for the thin air (compare Fw 190 with Ta 152), but with limited space to mount the dual pair of 30 mm and 20 mm cannons in an unusual step Nakajima chose a landing gear retraction like on P-40 Kittyhawk. High altitude flight is also extremely uncomfortable for the pilot so the cockpit was partially pressurized and extra tanks of oxygen installed. Pilot armour, thick bulletproof glass, self-sealing fuel tanks, and hard point for bombs were also added. Finally enough fuel for at least 2 hours flight resulted in a massive aircraft for the Japanese, well over twice the weight of the A6M2 Zero.

It was an enormous technical challenge for Japanese industry taking a long time to overcome teething issues. Japanese aircraft rarely utilized turbo-superchargers in their planes, so experience in operation was limited, and although the 90° retracting gear was a favourite design, it took Nakajima months to get it to operate correctly.

The prototype flew for the first time in April 1945 at a time when the anticipated B-29 bomber was pounding Japan, but by then it was too late. Disruption by bombing and dwindling resources prevented the second prototype from flying and attrition of what little fighter defence Japan had. Ironically, with such weak home defence, the B-29s flew much lower so they could bomb more accurately, negating the purpose of the high altitude Ki-87.

== Media ==


;Skins

* [https://live.warthunder.com/feed/camouflages/?vehicle=ki_87 Skins and camouflages for the {{PAGENAME}} from live.warthunder.com.]

;Images
<gallery mode="packed-hover" heights="150px">
Ki87 inflight.png|Ki-87 over the Pacific
Ki87 blueairfield.png|A Ki-87 sporting a blue camouflage
Ki87 port.png|Ki-87 at cargo port
Ki87 fromtruck.png|Ki-87 from viewed from a truck at Cargo Port
Ki87 scenic.png|Ki-87's guns do work on an enemy Bearcat
Ki87 onairfieldd.png|The Ki-87 on an airfield at Midway
</gallery>

;Videos
{{Youtube-gallery|4vA1mwpSG2Q|'''{{PAGENAME}} - Mr Spark Ruins The Bomber Hunting Party''' - ''Napalmratte''|xklKT8qdvPo|'''The Shooting Range #20''' - ''Metal Beasts'' section at 00:42 discusses the Ki-87.|eaefVIIZo78|'''Premium Review: {{PAGENAME}} [Headon Monster]''' - ''Jengar''|khGg-GvfWLo|'''Japanese Thunderbolt - {{PAGENAME}} Review - 1.63''' - ''MikeGoesBoom''}}

== See also ==


;Aircraft of comparable role, configuration and era

* Japanese:
** [[Ki-94-II]]
** [[J2M (Family)|J2M ''Raiden'']]
** [[J7W1|J7W ''Shinden'']]
* Other:
** [[Ta 152 H-1]]
** [[P-47 (Family)|P-47M/N]]
** [[I-225]]

== External links ==


* [https://forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/330718-ki-87/ Official data sheet - more details about the performance]

{{AirManufacturer Nakajima}}
{{Japan fighters}}
{{Japan premium aircraft}}

BI

2023-02-26T19:46:18Z

U21187496: /* Engaging in combat */ fixed some massive misconception. 1st gen jet fighter has as much in common with rocket fighter as pig has to the horse.

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== Description ==

The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a gift rank {{Specs|rank}} Soviet jet fighter {{Battle-rating}}, nicknamed "The devil's broomstick". It was introduced during [[Update "Raining Fire"]] as a reward for the [[wt:en/news/6878-event-wargame-strategist-en|2020 Wargame "Strategist" event]], and is currently available for sale on the Marketplace.

== General info ==
=== Flight performance ===
{{Specs-Avia-Flight}}


{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="70%"
! rowspan="2" | Characteristics
! colspan="2" | Max Speed (km/h at 2,000 m)
! rowspan="2" | Max altitude (metres)
! colspan="2" | Turn time (seconds)
! colspan="2" | Rate of climb (metres/second)
! rowspan="2" | Take-off run (metres)
|-
! AB !! RB !! AB !! RB !! AB !! RB
|-
! Stock
| 791 || 786 || rowspan="2" | {{Specs|ceiling}} || 23.2 || 23.2 || 84.7 || 79.1 || rowspan="2" | 300
|-
! Upgraded
|807||799||22.8||23.0||116.6||100.0
|-
|}

[[File:BI Wiki Image 3.jpg|thumb|The BI taking off.]]

==== Details ====
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="50%"
|-
! colspan="6" | Features
|-
! Combat flaps !! Take-off flaps !! Landing flaps !! Air brakes !! Arrestor gear !! Drogue chute
|-
| X || X || ✓ || X || X || X 
|-
|}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="50%"
|-
! colspan="7" | Limits
|-
! rowspan="2" | Wings (km/h)
! rowspan="2" | Gear (km/h)
! colspan="3" | Flaps (km/h)
! colspan="2" | Max Static G
|-
! Combat !! Take-off !! Landing !! + !! -
|-
| {{Specs|destruction|body}} || {{Specs|destruction|gear}} || N/A || N/A || 320 || ~9 || ~3
|-
|}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="4" | Optimal velocities (km/h)
|-
! Ailerons !! Rudder !! Elevators !! Radiator
|-
| < 400 || < 410 || < 550 || N/A
|-
|}

==== Engine performance ====
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="3" | Engine
! colspan="3" | Aircraft mass
|-
! colspan="2" | Engine name || Number
! colspan="1" | {{Annotation|Basic Mass|Mass of the aircraft with pilot and engine oil, but no fuel or weapons load}} || colspan="2" | Wing loading (full fuel)
|-
| colspan="2" | Isaev D-1a || 1
| colspan="1" | 924 kg || colspan="2" | 233 kg/m2
|-
! colspan="3" | Engine characteristics
! colspan="2" | Mass with fuel (no weapons load) || rowspan="2" | Max Takeoff Weight
|-
! Weight (each) || colspan="2" | Type
! 0m fuel || 1m fuel
|-
| 300 kg || colspan="2" | Liquid-fuel rocket
| 1,134 kg || 1,629 kg || 1,650 kg
|-
! colspan="3" | {{Annotation|Maximum engine thrust @ 0 m (RB / SB)|The maximum thrust produced by each engine, while mounted in the aircraft. NOTE: Thrust varies significantly depending on speed & altitude.}}
! colspan="3" | Thrust to weight ratio @ 0 m (100%)
|-
! Condition || 100% || WEP
! 0m fuel || 1m fuel || MTOW
|-
| ''Stationary'' || 1,121 kgf || N/A
| 0.99 || 0.69 || 0.68
|-
| ''Optimal'' || 1,121 kgf (any speed) || N/A
| 0.99 || 0.69 || 0.68
|-
|}

=== Survivability and armour ===
{{Specs-Avia-Armour}}


* 5.5 mm steel behind the pilot.
* 5.5 mm steel plate installed in the nose.
* 64 mm bulletproof glass in front of pilot
* Self-sealing fuel tanks* (7 under the cannon barrels, 8 behind pilot, 3 in rear fuselage)

<nowiki>*</nowiki>The fuel tanks are cylinder-shaped, not rectangular, like most planes' fuel tanks, allowing for more fuel tanks.

=== Modifications and economy ===
{{Specs-Economy}}

== Armaments ==
{{Specs-Avia-Armaments}}
[[File:BI Wiki Image 1.jpg|thumb|BI after using its two cannons to down a Ar 234.]]

=== Offensive armament ===
{{Specs-Avia-Offensive}}

{{main|ShVAK (20 mm)}}

The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' is armed with:

* 2 x 20 mm ShVAK cannons, nose-mounted (45 rpg = 90 total)

== Usage in battles ==

====Fuel management ====
Managing your fuel will allow your endurance to increase from 1 minute 57 seconds to over 13 minutes, only use the fuel you need to use.

To get the longest endurance out of its limited fuel amount, climb from the airfield at an angle of 70-80 degrees, at full throttle and as you hit 3,000 m, change the angle of the attack and throttle back to 30%. Adjust your climb angle to make sure speed is still increasing whilst the height increases too. This will allow you to travel to 5,000 plus without burning much of your precious rocket fuel. This fuel, you will need for later in the battle. Once you have hit 5,000 m, throttle back to 14% and continue to climb and adjust your climb angle again to roughly 16 degrees. You can continue to climb at this angle until you see it fit not to do so.

When you hit the altitude you like, you can throttle back to 0% and just glide, with only minor adjustments to the throttle to keep in you level flight.

==== Descending ====

The key to descending without locking up and crashing is, not to point your nose straight down unlike other aircrafts, the BI is able to gain a lot of speed even in a little descent. When, the BI speed starts going over 700 km/h pull up slowly and lose it, when you push the nose back down push the rudder all the way to the left or right. If you aren't losing speed fast enough, shift the plane 45 degrees to the left or right, with full rudder movements. This will slow you down.

Due to the BI being able to go over 900 km/h with ease and locks up at Mach 0.76, descending from height from 5,000 m needs to be calculated based on the battle conditions in the match. If you descend to fast, due to a high angle of attack, you will lock up and crash into the ground, because you will be unable to pull out in time.

A high angle of attack for a descent is around -70 degrees, even using the ruder and shifting the BI to the left and right will not be enough.

A good angle of attack to descend is around -30 to -60, the steeper the angle faster you will go. When you descend keep your throttles at 0%, only when you are pulling out of the dive at the very end, after losing speed, they should be opened carefully.

==== Engaging in combat ====
[[File:BI Wiki Image 4.jpg|thumb|Cockpit of the BI.]]
<s>The BI is similar to the '''''[[He_162_A-2|He 162 A-2]]'''''</s> ''(They have virtually nothing incommon. One can create absurd amount of energy "out of nowhere" thanks to rocket engine and other has to be aware every maneuver since it drastically drains it out of its energy which it regenerates very slowly. '''He 162''' stands no chance against '''BI''')'' As such it excels in the interceptor role, climbing at a extremely high rate of up to 116.4 m/s in AB and 100.0 m/s in RB. Able to shoot down bombers and fighter bombers before exhausting the fuel supply and landing again. Don't be rused by its acceleration into thinking it has a high top speed - the wings and elevators will lock up at Mach speed: 0.76 Thus making any manoeuvres and climbs impossible. Flying full throttle at 8,000 m, will see you rip your wings off in level flight.

Do not try to outrun enemies, in turn fights but instead use your manoeuvrability and acceleration to fight them, your speed & small size will be your only zenith. The BI only has 90 rounds of ammo, 45 rounds per gun. This is not a lot of ammo, you can get up to two kills, without having to reload with well placed shots.
=====Engaging fighters=====
Fighting fighters in combat, aim for the wings and tail, aiming for wings with the limited ammo which the BI has will cause the wing fuel tanks to catch on fire. Aiming for the tail, will see that the tail gets cut clean from the fuselage, unlike a bomber a fighter is smaller and lesser space for fired ammo to miss critical elements.

The enemy fighter, may see you sneaking on him or her, they will bank left or right, do not follow them in the turn, the BI cannot turn fight with out losing its advantageous speed. Instead, disengage, throttle up, climb and come back around for another pass.

=====Engaging Bombers=====
Fighting bombers, aim for the wings and engines, aiming for the fuselage will unlikely cause any critical hits unless you can hit the flight deck. Aiming for the wings, increases the odds of hitting a wing spar and seeing the wing get ripped off with a short one second salvo. Aiming for engine, will knock the engine out and possibly set fires inside of the wing installed fuel tanks. The larger area with more critical elements increase the odds of doing critical damage with the limited rounds which you have.

Do not stay behind the enemy bomber, their gunners will hit your rocket fuel tanks and will see the BI set on fire. If it is on fire, break off the attack and dive as fast as you can, this will put the fire out. Then head back to the airfield and repair, and refuel.

==== Landing ====
To land the BI, you need to keep about 5 to 10 seconds of fuel in case you need to go around due to a missed approach. When on approach, you will need to lose speed fast, which it can do. This is due to the BI not using the sleek low profile aerodynamic wings, as you find on other jets. However, to do this, you must reduce the speed down to under 420 km/h or your gear will be ripped off making the odds of crashing on landing very high.

To land the BI, flip the plane on its side, use the rudder during the turns to help cause more fiction with the air, which will start reducing its speed. Due to the shape of the BI which features great glider aerodynamics, it is able to fly at high speeds and keep the momentum even without any throttle being active. As soon as the BI touches the ground, apply the breaks and turn the rudder hard left and right to help slow it down.

Landing on short runways, should be avoided or risk crashing at the end, the reason for this if you come into fast or high the BI will bounce, it will bounce to 150 m or more. Ideally you should head back to the main airfield which has the long landing strip to land on.

[[File:BI Wiki Image 2.jpg|thumb|BI attacking an enemy jet bomber.]]

=== Pros and cons ===


'''Pros:'''

* Amazing acceleration
* Great roll rate
* Excellent manoeuvrability
* Incredible climb rate; can climb at a whopping 70° when spaded
* Very small size makes successfully hitting it troublesome

'''Cons:'''

* Not very well armoured
* Only has landing flaps
* Can reach rip speed (Mach 0.81) while travelling in a straight line
* Very hard to pull out of a dive due to its great speed
* Maximum fuel load is only 1 minute and 57 seconds
* Very limited armament, only two ShVAK cannons with 45 rounds each

== History ==

Test Flight Log:

{| class="wikitable"
!Date
!Place
!Pilot
!Issues
|-
|October, 1941
| Lake Bilimbay
|Grigory Yakovlevich Bakhchivandzhi
|None
|-
|April, 1942
|Koltsove Airfield
|Grigory Yakovlevich Bakhchivandzhi
|None
|-
|May 15th, 1942 19:02 (UTC)
|Koltsove Airfield
|Grigory Yakovlevich Bakhchivandzhi
|Aircraft was damaged because of a hard landing and the pilot was injured.
|-
|March 27th, 1943
|Koltsove Airfield
|Grigory Yakovlevich Bakhchivandzhi
|Aircraft crashed and was severely damaged so the test flights were discontinued.
|}

=== [[wt:en/news/6873-development-crafting-event-strategist-bereznyak-isayev-en|Devblog]] ===
In the early 1940's, the OKB-293 aircraft design bureau began working on a new rocket-propelled aircraft design. The aircraft promised excellent performance figures, although at the expense of range due to the limitations of rocket engines at the time. After the invasion of the Soviet Union in June 1941, the design was seen as a potential short-range interceptor design to protect vital Soviet land installations from air raids. Thus, the project was approved for further development work and testing.

Development of the aircraft continued, with several prototypes being made and test flown. However, rapid advancements in aviation technology, especially the appearance of the jet engine, during the war outpaced the development of the BI. Therefore, the aircraft never left the prototype stage and didn't take part in active combat. Instead the aircraft's development served more as a testbed for Soviet rocket propulsion research, with the insights gained being later used for other projects during the Cold War.

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== See also ==

''Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:''

* ''reference to the series of the aircraft;''
* ''links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.''

== External links ==


* [[wt:en/news/6873-development-crafting-event-strategist-bereznyak-isayev-en|[Devblog] Crafting Event "Strategist": Bereznyak-Isayev]]
* [[wikipedia:Bereznyak-Isayev_BI-1|[Wikipedia] Bereznyak-Isayev BI-1]]

{{USSR jet aircraft}}

Me 262 C-2b

2023-02-20T11:28:15Z

U21187496: /* Usage in battles */ You wont see any props apart from that one spit at 8.0 and that only if he gets full uptier.

{{About
| about = German jet fighter '''{{PAGENAME}}'''
| usage = other versions
| link = Me 262 (Family)
}}
{{Specs-Card
|code=me-262c-2b
|images={{Specs-Card-Image|GarageImage_{{PAGENAME}}.jpg}}
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== Description ==

The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a rank {{Specs|rank}} German jet fighter {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update 1.41]].

The {{PAGENAME}} is equipped with the [[MK 108 (30 mm)|30 mm MK 108]] autocannon, which has insane damage potential. With the third greatest in-game burst rate of 14.52 kg/s (32.01 lbs/s) and the great explosive warhead "minengeschoss" (=mine-shell) this weapon will vaporize aircraft, especially bombers. But every coin has a flip side and the "Sledgehammer" is no exception. The amazing rate of fire is bought with a very short barrel and small propellant charges, resulting in very bad ballistics: The slowest shells with the greatest bullet drop in-game. The Mk 108 makes no compromise, only the extremes.

The MK 108 is a very bad anti-fighter weapon particular in a jet to jet combat. Bullet drop and slow velocity result in difficult lead shots in ranges above 300 m (350 yds). In manoeuvre fights this trait gets even worse, the high speeds of jet battle push the necessary lead for hitting the target high, very high and in front of the enemy. Training with this weapon-system on a custom battle against random enemies is heavily advised.

The Sledgehammer cannons have an ammo indicator in the cockpit. It sits directly beneath the compass (the one with the little plane in the middle). A typical bar ammunition counter of the Luftwaffe. The left white column is for the two top auto-cannons. The right one is for the bottom two cannons, this bar is also taller than the left one as the ammo count is different for the two pairs.

== General info ==
=== Flight performance ===
{{Specs-Avia-Flight}}


{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="70%"
! rowspan="2" | Characteristics
! colspan="2" | Max Speed (km/h at 6,000 m)
! rowspan="2" | Max altitude (metres)
! colspan="2" | Turn time (seconds)
! colspan="2" | Rate of climb (metres/second)
! rowspan="2" | Take-off run (metres)
|-
! AB !! RB !! AB !! RB !! AB !! RB
|-
! Stock
| 824 || 797 || rowspan="2" | {{Specs|ceiling}} || 31.6 || 32.5 || 16.5 || 15.6 || rowspan="2" | 628
|-
! Upgraded
| 909 || 865 || 29.3 || 30.3 || 24.0 || 20.0
|-
|}

==== Details ====
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="50%"
|-
! colspan="6" | Features
|-
! Combat flaps !! Take-off flaps !! Landing flaps !! Air brakes !! Arrestor gear !! Drogue chute
|-
| ✓ || ✓ || ✓ || X || X || X 
|-
|}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="50%"
|-
! colspan="7" | Limits
|-
! rowspan="2" | Wings (km/h)
! rowspan="2" | Gear (km/h)
! colspan="3" | Flaps (km/h)
! colspan="2" | Max Static G
|-
! Combat !! Take-off !! Landing !! + !! -
|-
| {{Specs|destruction|body}} || {{Specs|destruction|gear}} || 498 || 469 || 320 || ~11 || ~5
|-
|}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="4" | Optimal velocities (km/h)
|-
! Ailerons !! Rudder !! Elevators !! Radiator
|-
| < 500 || < 600 || < 680 || N/A
|-
|}

==== Engine performance ====
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="3" | Engine
! colspan="3" | Aircraft mass
|-
! colspan="2" | Engine name || Number
! colspan="1" | Empty mass || colspan="2" | Wing loading (full fuel, no booster fuel)
|-
| colspan="2" | BMW 003-R || 2
| colspan="1" | 4,775 kg || colspan="2" | 260 kg/m2
|-
! colspan="3" | Engine characteristics
! colspan="2" | Mass with fuel (no weapons load, no booster fuel) || rowspan="2" | Max Takeoff Weight
|-
! Weight (each) || colspan="2" | Type
! 6m fuel || 20m fuel
|-
| 673 kg || colspan="2" | Axial-flow turbojet
| 5,070 kg || 5,653 kg || 8,000 kg
|-
! colspan="3" | {{Annotation|Maximum engine thrust @ 0 m (RB / SB)|The maximum thrust produced by each engine, while mounted in the aircraft. NOTE: Thrust varies significantly depending on speed & altitude.}}
! colspan="3" | Thrust to weight ratio @ 0 m (108%, no booster)
|-
! Condition || 100% || 108%
! 6m fuel || 20m fuel || MTOW
|-
| ''Stationary'' || 801 kgf || 910 kgf
| 0.36 || 0.32 || 0.23
|-
| ''Optimal'' || 801 kgf (0 km/h) || 910 kgf (0 km/h)
| 0.35 || 0.32 || 0.23
|-
|}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="6" | Booster (BMW 109-718 - Liquid-fuel rocket)
! colspan="3" | Aircraft mass
|-
! rowspan="2" | Number || rowspan="2" | Booster weight (each) || rowspan="2" | Fuel weight (each) || rowspan="2" | Burn Time || rowspan="2" | Can be shutdown|| rowspan="2" | Jettisoned after use
! colspan="2" | Mass with full booster fuel (no weapons load)
|-
! 6m fuel || 20m fuel
|-
| 2 || 165 kg || 850 kg || 163s || Yes || No
| 6,770 kg || 7,353 kg
|-
! colspan="2" rowspan="2" | Condition
! colspan="2" rowspan="2" | {{Annotation|Maximum booster thrust @ 0 m (RB / SB)|The maximum thrust produced by each booster, while mounted in the aircraft. NOTE: Thrust varies significantly depending on speed & altitude.}}
! colspan="2" rowspan="2" | {{Annotation|Combined engine & booster thrust @ 0 m|The total thrust produced by all engines and boosters. NOTE: Thrust varies significantly depending on speed & altitude.}}
! colspan="3" | Thrust to weight ratio @ 0 m (108% with booster)
|-
! 6m fuel || 20m fuel
|-
| colspan="2" | ''Stationary'' || colspan="2" | 1,224 kgf || colspan="2" | 4,268 kgf
| 0.63 || 0.58
|-
| colspan="2" | ''Optimal'' || colspan="2" | 1,224 kgf (any speed) || colspan="2" | 4,268 kgf (0kph)
| 0.63 || 0.58
|-
|}

=== Survivability and armour ===
{{Specs-Avia-Armour}}


* 15 mm Steel - plate behind the pilot seat
* 15 mm Steel - plate headrest
* 15 mm Steel - Cockpit for plate
* 15 mm Steel - Instrument panel plate
* 16 mm Steel - 2 x plates protecting ammunition
* 90 mm Bulletproof glass

=== Modifications and economy ===
{{Specs-Economy}}

The biggest issue of the Schwalbe is its bad acceleration across all speeds. Thus "Compressor" and "New Engine" upgrades have the highest priority. The stock belts are decent, but the high explosive content increases with the new ammo, so including belts into the upgrade route is not a bad idea. The same applies to the rockets. Being able to knockout bases or tanks(direct hit) with these warheads, makes the late game much more easy to win if the last enemies are running or hiding. "New cannons" is an interesting upgrade choice as it increases accuracy above 300 m (350 yds), but the MK 108 will still be unable to hit a yarn-door at 500 m (600 yds). Cool-down and jamming is nothing the "Sledgehammer" has to deal with, considering the damage potential and low ammo count per gun.

== Armaments ==
{{Specs-Avia-Armaments}}
=== Offensive armament ===
{{Specs-Avia-Offensive}}

{{main|MK 108 (30 mm)}}

The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' is armed with:

* 4 x 30 mm MK 108 cannons, nose-mounted (2 x 100 rpg top + 2 x 80 rpg bottom = 360 total)

== Usage in battles ==

(Notice: given it has 8.0 br across all modes, those advices are mostly outdated)

Anti-fighter combat strategies include:

'''Climb''': Self-explanatory, rockets are used to boost oneself up to > 7000 m. Henceforth denying enemy fighters absolute altitude advantage. Of course, this must be followed through to the extreme, as once altitude advantage is gone, so will be the Me 262. Especially high-altitude prop-aircraft will be dangerous foes as jet-engine's power steadily declines over altitude. Whereas turbochargers and superchargers will keep the piston engine's power output steady. Watch out for these particular foes: [[P-47D-25|P-47D]], [[Bostwick's P-47M-1-RE|P-47M]], [[F8F-1B|F8F-1B]], [[Spitfire F Mk 24|Spitfire Mk 24]]/[[Spitfire F Mk 22|Mk 22]], [[J7W1|J7W1]] and [[Ta 152 H-1|Ta 152H-1]], if this strategy is chosen. Commence in classic Boom and Zoom tactics.

'''Aggressive climb''': Useful against pure enemy jet teams
The same principle as merely ''"Climb"'', however with the twist of actively engaging towards the hostile airfield to intercept with E-advantage enemy fighters. Air-Domination is established beyond the frontline with the prime directive to hinder enemy aircraft (especially jets) to gain any further altitude. If piston aircraft are present, this may prove to be difficult as these machines will be ''on'' or even ''above'' the Me 262 C upon contact. Hostile jets though will again not be on a similar energy state, making them on the first two initial passes easy prey. Good energy management is key though!

'''Rush''': Enemy team energy denial
This strategy can prove deadly but will provide similar aggressive team-mates with a better outset once team vs team combat starts.
Start boosters after spawning and use them to reach maximum level flight speed. Reduce engine throttle before losing a wing! Head straight for the enemy and disturb them in their acceleration & climb. The idea is to either seize targets of opportunity (e.g. AFK climbers, unaware targets) or to confuse the foes to give one's allies the aforementioned better vantage position.

'''Important note'''

Rocket boost should either be saved to compete against post-war jets or be used immediately to propel oneself up to 6,000 m before the hostile forces had the opportunity to gain any energy advantage.

=== Pros and cons ===


'''Pros:'''

* Great plane for arcade battles, as it climbs quickly with the rocket boosters and can land to refuel them
* Boom and zoom is a must with this plane, as it keeps up with all other jets
* Can use boosters to outrun and out-climb other aircraft
* Excellent energy retention, can hold onto speed earned from boosters for a good while
* Good roll rate

'''Cons:'''

* Handling feels Heavy
* Slow compared to other aircraft at the rank
* Horrible climb rate if boosters aren't in use
* Performs significantly worse than the A-1a variant
* MK 108s are not well suited for jet combat.
* No airbrakes to slow down

== History ==

''Describe the history of the creation and combat usage of the aircraft in more detail than in the introduction. If the historical reference turns out to be too long, take it to a separate article, taking a link to the article about the vehicle and adding a block "/History" (example: <nowiki>https://wiki.warthunder.com/(Vehicle-name)/History</nowiki>) and add a link to it here using the <code>main</code> template. Be sure to reference text and sources by using <code><nowiki><ref></ref></nowiki></code>, as well as adding them at the end of the article with <code><nowiki><references /></nowiki></code>. This section may also include the vehicle's dev blog entry (if applicable) and the in-game encyclopedia description (under <code><nowiki>=== In-game description ===</nowiki></code>, also if applicable).''

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== See also ==

''Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:''

* ''reference to the series of the aircraft;''
* ''links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.''

== External links ==


* [https://forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/320883-messerschmitt-me-262-c-1a-c-2b/ Official data sheet - more details about the performance]

{{AirManufacturer BFW}}
{{Germany jet aircraft}}

N1K2-Ja

2022-12-14T02:21:58Z

U21187496: /* Pros and cons */

{{About
| about = Japanese fighter '''{{PAGENAME}}'''
| usage = other variants
| link = N1K (Family)
}}
{{Specs-Card
|code=n1k2_jko
|images={{Specs-Card-Image|GarageImage_{{PAGENAME}}.jpg|ArtImage_{{PAGENAME}}.png}}
}}

== Description ==

The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a rank {{Specs|rank}} Japanese fighter {{Battle-rating}}. It has been in the game since the start of the Open Beta Test prior to Update 1.27.

== General info ==
=== Flight performance ===
{{Specs-Avia-Flight}}


{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="70%"
! rowspan="2" | Characteristics
! colspan="2" | Max Speed (km/h at 6,000 m)
! rowspan="2" | Max altitude (metres)
! colspan="2" | Turn time (seconds)
! colspan="2" | Rate of climb (metres/second)
! rowspan="2" | Take-off run (metres)
|-
! AB !! RB !! AB !! RB !! AB !! RB
|-
! Stock
| 626 || 610 || rowspan="2" | {{Specs|ceiling}} || 19.8 || 20.4 || 14.2 || 14.2 || rowspan="2" | 300
|-
! Upgraded
| 675 || 650 || 18.5 || 19.0 || 23.2 || 18.2
|-
|}

==== Details ====
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="50%"
|-
! colspan="5" | Features
|-
! Combat flaps !! Take-off flaps !! Landing flaps !! Air brakes !! Arrestor gear
|-
| ✓ || ✓ || ✓ || X || X 
|-
|}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="50%"
|-
! colspan="7" | Limits
|-
! rowspan="2" | Wings (km/h)
! rowspan="2" | Gear (km/h)
! colspan="3" | Flaps (km/h)
! colspan="2" | Max Static G
|-
! Combat !! Take-off !! Landing !! + !! -
|-
| {{Specs|destruction|body}} || {{Specs|destruction|gear}} || 498 || 469 || 320 || ~12 || ~10
|-
|}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="4" | Optimal velocities (km/h)
|-
! Ailerons !! Rudder !! Elevators !! Radiator
|-
| < 430 || < 460 || < 400 || > 324
|-
|}

=== Survivability and armour ===
{{Specs-Avia-Armour}}


* 70 mm Bulletproof glass - Armoured windscreen
* 12 mm Steel plate in pilot's seat

=== Modifications and economy ===
{{Specs-Economy}}

== Armaments ==
{{Specs-Avia-Armaments}}
=== Offensive armament ===
{{Specs-Avia-Offensive}}

{{main|Type 99 Model 2 (20 mm)}}

The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' is armed with:

* 4 x 20 mm Type 99 Model 2 cannons, wing-mounted (250 rpg outer + 200 rpg inner = 900 total)

=== Suspended armament ===
{{Specs-Avia-Suspended}}

{{main|Navy Type 97 Number 6 (60 kg)|Navy Type 98 Number 25 (250 kg)}}
{{main|Type 3 No.1 Mod.28 Mk.1|Type 3 No.6 Mod.27 Mk.1|Type 5 No.1 Mod.9|Type 5 No.6 Mod.9}}

The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' can be outfitted with the following ordnance:

* Without load
* 4 x 60 kg Navy Type 97 Number 6 bombs (240 kg total)
* 2 x 250 kg Navy Type 98 Number 25 bombs (500 kg total)
* 2 x Type 3 No.1 Mod.28 Mk.1 rockets
* 2 x Type 5 No.1 Mod.9 rockets
* 2 x Type 3 No.6 Mod.27 Mk.1 rockets
* 2 x Type 5 No.6 Mod.9 rockets

== Usage in battles ==


The N1K2-Ja is a very tricky aircraft to use. It can face early jet fighters such as the [[F-80A-5]], [[Yak-15]]/[[Yak-17|17]], [[He 162 A-2|He 162]], [[J21RA|J]]/[[A21RB|A21R]], and in Arcade, the [[F-84B-26]]. These jet aircraft hold a hefty speed advantage over the ''Shiden-Kai'', but typically have very poor manoeuvrability, meaning the N1K pilot can abuse its excellent handling at medium speeds and shred the previously mentioned jets if their pilots are foolish enough to try and turn-fight. The one exception to this is the Yak-15, which retains the turning abilities of its airframe; the [[Yak-3]]. However, the Yak-15 suffers from a relatively low top speed and climb rate for a jet, along with sub-par vertical energy retention. Above all those, its ammunition pool is abysmal at only 120 rounds total, meaning the N1K2 pilot could potentially win an engagement just by remaining difficult to hit.

Although it can fight admirably against jets, the N1K2-Ja will find itself coming up short against many of the other nation's top tier superprops. It cannot keep up with the [[P-51H-5-NA|P-51H]], [[F4U-4B]], [[F8F-1B|F8F]], [[I-225]], [[La-9]], [[Tempest (Family)|Tempests]], [[Spitfire (Family)|Griffon Spitfires]], [[G.56]], [[Bf 109 (Family)|late Bf 109s]], or [[Fw 190 (Family)|Fw 190 D's]] of its tier. Fortunately, most of the previously mentioned aircraft cannot turn with the N1K2, so the ''Shiden-Kai'' can use its superb mid-speed manoeuvrability to turn circles around its opponents. The main exception to this is the uncommon G.56, which is the closest thing the N1K2 has to a hard counter. It can turn with it, outspeed it, out-dive it, beat it in an energy fight and shred it with the triad of 20 mm MG 151s, so it is highly recommended to either avoid the G.56 or take it out while it's preoccupied with a teammate.

The N1K2-Ja can take on a relatively new role for Japanese fighters; a fighter/bomber. With its ability to mount 2 x 250 kg bombs or two of the massive Type 5 No.6 rockets, the N1K2 can be Japan's best ground attacker and will make enemy tanks quake in fear. The Type 98 Number 25 bombs are roughly equivalent to the American [[AN-M64A1 (500 lb)|AN-M64A1]] 500 lb bombs, and are mounted on wing racks, allowing for precise bomb placement on targets. On the flip-side, the Type 5 No.6 rockets have no direct comparison but play somewhat similarly to a watered-down American [[Tiny Tim]] rocket or Swedish [[hprak m/49]] rocket. Despite their relatively low velocity and higher weight, they are still quite accurate and are able to be launched quite close to the target with minimal threat of self-damage.

=== Manual Engine Control ===
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="7" | MEC elements
|-
! rowspan="2" | Mixer
! rowspan="2" | Pitch
! colspan="3" | Radiator
! rowspan="2" | Supercharger
! rowspan="2" | Turbocharger
|-
! Oil !! Water !! Type
|-
| Controllable || Controllable Not auto controlled || Controllable Not auto controlled || Controllable Not auto controlled || Separate || Controllable 2 gears || Not controllable
|-
|}

=== Pros and cons ===


'''Pros:'''

* Flight performance
** Reasonable manoeuvrability at medium speeds (300-500 km/h)
** Great energy retention
** Solid acceleration once upgraded
** Combat flaps are efficient while in dogfighting
** Decent rate of climb
** Relatively good diving characteristics for a Japanese aircraft
* Armament
** Absurd amount of ammunition (200-250 rpg with 900 rounds in total)
** Cannons themselves are reasonable in all aspects, and take far longer to jam than their contemporaries

'''Cons:'''

* Flight performance
** Mediocre roll rate
** Severely stiffens at higher speeds
** Can be outmanoeuvred easily by the fighters at its tier if not used correctly
** Unless approached correctly, completely outclassed by the Spitfire Mk. IX and F8Fs
* Stock grind can be outright ''painful''
** Weak stock belts, which require a tier III modification to upgrade
* Can catch on fire easily, and often gets destroyed in the process
* Often faces jets
* Slow in comparison of what it has to face

== History ==

{{main|N1K (Family)|l1=History of the N1K}}

{{break}}
{{Navigation-Start|{{Annotation|Archive of the in-game description|An archive of the historical description of the vehicle that was presented in-game prior to Update 1.55 'Royal Armour'}}|expand=true}}
{{Navigation-First-Simple-Line}}
Kawanishi Shiden-Kai Model 21Ko, Kawanishi N1K2-Ja (code name "George") Marine Interceptor-Fighter

This fighter-bomber version of the N1K2, the N1K2-Ja Model 21Ko, was developed at the time the N1K2-J began production. The main difference between the two planes was the 21Ko's steel underwing pylons. This Shiden-Kai could carry four 250-kg bombs, two under each wing, or two 500-kg bombs, or two or four 60-kg bombs. It could also carry unguided rockets, like the N1K2-J.

The N1K2-Ja could be visibly distinguished from its predecessor by the lower position and reduced area of its horizontal fin.

Upon its success in factory testing, the N1K2-J was selected by the Japanese Imperial Navy as its primary fighter and fighter-bomber. The Navy's plan was to launch large-scale mass production of the Shiden-Kai, but its production was always behind schedule. The situation became more critical when American B-29 Superfortress bombers began attacking Japanese industrial sites. The attacks did not target the production facilities containing the Shiden-Kai assembly lines, but supply companies were attacked, leading to a shortage of sheet metal, forged steel, stamped aluminum, and engine and chassis parts.

N1K1-J fighters were first used in battle near Lake Sebu in October 1944, then used en masse in the Philippines. From the end of 1944 on, the N1K1-J and N1K2-J aircraft were primarily used for the defense of the Japanese homeland.

The most famous squadron of Shiden-Kai was formed in December 1944. Known as the 343rd Kokutai, it was under the command of the most experienced Japanese naval commander, Minoru Genda. His squadron consisted of Japanese aces, and their planes were all N1K2-Js. This "Genda's Blade" squadron was known as a squadron of experts, the elite of the Imperial Navy's aviators. The Americans quickly felt their skill in battle. For instance, in February of 1945, Midshipman Kaneyoshi "Kinsuke" Muto, piloting an N1K2-Ja, single-handedly attacked 10 F6F Hellcats, shooting four of them down and forcing the others to retreat.

The Shiden-Kai was an extremely unpleasant surprise for the Americans. The original Shiden was good, but this model, free of its predecessor's "childhood illnesses", was superb. It would soon become clear that even a pilot of average skill in a Shiden-Kai could challenge any Allied fighter, even the P-51 Mustang, which began its fight in the skies over Japan in the spring of 1945.

Production of the N1K2-J ended after Japan surrendered. In all, 1,435 Shidens of all variants were constructed, including 998 N1K1-Js and 415 N1K2-Js.
{{Navigation-End}}

== Media ==


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{{Skin-gallery |market|ugcitem_1000528|N1K2-Ja Fictional Trainer.jpg|Camo "Primary Trainer"}}

== See also ==


;;Related Development

* [[N1K1]] - (Kyofu Model 11; Base hydroplane model)
* [[N1K1-Ja]] - (Shiden Model 11A; N1K1-J with 7.7mm's removed from the fuselage and 4x20mm in the wings)
* [[N1K2-J]] - (Shiden Kai Model 21; Redesigned wings and fuselage)

== External links ==


* [https://forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/285073-kawanishi-n1k2-j/ Official data sheet - more details about the performance]

{{AirManufacturer Kawanishi}}
{{Japan fighters}}

Ki-84 ko

2022-12-10T00:20:57Z

U21187496: /* Manual Engine Control */ Added MEC settings

{{About
| about = Japanese fighter '''{{PAGENAME}}'''
| usage = other versions
| link = Ki-84 (Family)
}}
{{Specs-Card
|code=ki_84_ko
|images={{Specs-Card-Image|GarageImage_{{PAGENAME}}.jpg|ArtImage_{{PAGENAME}}.png}}
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== Description ==

The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a rank {{Specs|rank}} Japanese fighter {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update 1.37]].

== General info ==
=== Flight performance ===
{{Specs-Avia-Flight}}

The Ki-84 ko is the first truly fast aeroplane in the Japanese tech tree. Equipped with a 2,000 hp engine, this aircraft's performance is on par with that of the legendary P-51 Mustang. However, unlike the Mustang, the Ki-84 has slightly better turning characteristics and climb rate thanks to its lighter weight. This being said, the Ki-84 also has good energy retention, so try to make your opponent bleed energy to have an edge. The Ki-84 was also one of the first mass-produced Japanese aircraft to come equipped with armoured glass, armour plates and self-sealing fuel tanks, but the armour is still lacklustre compared to its Russian and American counterparts. However, as always, not everything is perfect. The aircraft controls stiffen significantly at speeds above 630 km/h, making even slight adjustments to heading impossible. Thus, at higher speeds, its elevator suffers. The Ki-84 also suffers a lot when no modules are researched, making the aircraft almost useless until modifications are unlocked.

This aircraft should be played as it appears: a lightweight Japanese version of the Mustang, retaining good engine performance, decent climb-rate, high diving performance, with solid armament.

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="70%"
! rowspan="2" | Characteristics
! colspan="2" | Max Speed (km/h at 6,000 m)
! rowspan="2" | Max altitude (metres)
! colspan="2" | Turn time (seconds)
! colspan="2" | Rate of climb (metres/second)
! rowspan="2" | Take-off run (metres)
|-
! AB !! RB !! AB !! RB !! AB !! RB
|-
! Stock
| 669 || 650 || rowspan="2" | {{Specs|ceiling}} || 20.2 || 20.8 || 14.1 || 14.1 || rowspan="2" | 421
|-
! Upgraded
| 718 || 692 || 19.1 || 19.4 || 22.6 || 17.9
|-
|}

==== Details ====
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="50%"
|-
! colspan="5" | Features
|-
! Combat flaps !! Take-off flaps !! Landing flaps !! Air brakes !! Arrestor gear
|-
| ✓ || ✓ || ✓ || X || X 
|-
|}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="50%"
|-
! colspan="7" | Limits
|-
! rowspan="2" | Wings (km/h)
! rowspan="2" | Gear (km/h)
! colspan="3" | Flaps (km/h)
! colspan="2" | Max Static G
|-
! Combat !! Take-off !! Landing !! + !! -
|-
| {{Specs|destruction|body}} || {{Specs|destruction|gear}} || 470 || 431 || 280 || ~13 || ~10
|-
|}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="4" | Optimal velocities (km/h)
|-
! Ailerons !! Rudder !! Elevators !! Radiator
|-
| < 400 || < 480 || < 430 || > 324
|-
|}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! Compressor
! Optimal altitude
! 100% Engine power
! WEP Engine power
|-
! Setting 1
| 2,000 m || 1,875 hp || 2,100 hp
|-
! Setting 2
| 5,300 m || 1,675 hp || 1,876 hp
|-
|}

=== Survivability and armour ===
{{Specs-Avia-Armour}}


* 70 mm bulletproof glass in front of pilot
* 13 mm steel head-rest
* 13 mm steel plate behind pilot
* Self-sealing fuel tanks (1 under pilot's feet, 1 in each wingroot)

=== Modifications and economy ===
{{Specs-Economy}}

== Armaments ==
{{Specs-Avia-Armaments}}
=== Offensive armament ===
{{Specs-Avia-Offensive}}

{{main|Ho-5 (20 mm)|Ho-103 (12.7 mm)}}

The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' is armed with:

* 2 x 20 mm Ho-5 cannons, wing-mounted (150 rpg = 300 total)
* 2 x 12.7 mm Ho-103 machine guns, nose-mounted (350 rpg = 700 total)

=== Suspended armament ===
{{Specs-Avia-Suspended}}

{{main|Army Type 94 GPHE (50 kg)|Army Type 92 GPHE (250 kg)}}

The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' can be outfitted with the following ordnance:

* Without load
* 2 x 50 kg Army Type 94 GPHE bombs (100 kg total)
* 2 x 250 kg Army Type 92 GPHE bombs (500 kg total)

== Usage in battles ==


'''Realistic Battles'''

The Ki-84 ko is a very good multi-purpose fighter, its capable of energy fighting and sustained dog fighting making it a menace to face with few enemies matching it, it takes a rather skilled pilot to shake these off as they have great turn fighting capabilities, good climb rate and a decent top speed for their BR.

It is important to remember that when uptiered, you will be fighting aircraft such as the [[Spitfire F Mk 22]], which is faster both in a straight line and in a shallow or steep dive, the best way to reliable deal with this threat is to coax your enemy into a rolling scissors or sustained dog fight as the Spitfire F Mk 22 does not have a faster turn rate than the Ki-84 ko, alternatively if they do not dog fight and they are above you, you can force an over-shoot with some defensive flying and catch the Spitfire either as it passes or when it starts to go back up into its climb thanks to the Ki-84 ko's good climb rate.

The Ki-84 ko is not very well armoured at all and should avoid any head on engagements or well defended aircraft such as [[B-24D-25-CO|B-24s]] as it is rather fragile to enemy fire. The weaponry isn't spectacular either and may require a bit of practice as they are rather lacklustre compared to other planes you will fight.

As a Ki-84 pilot your safest bet is to climb above your opponents and pick and choose your battles, often a good strategy to use is to hunt down the highest altitude enemies and pick them off one by one, remember not to waste all the altitude you have obtained as altitude is your friend in the Ki-84, whether you prefer Boom and Zoom or Dogfighting, the Ki-84 ko is sure to please you.

'''Simulator Battles'''

In Simulator, the Ki-84 is overall a decent plane to fly. It enjoys lovely visibility towards the rear, sides, above, and over the nose, giving the pilot great situational awareness. It has nice handling, good climb rate, great speed and acceleration. Armament-wise, the guns have enough fire rate to put quite a few projectiles into the target in one pass. However the Ki-84's disadvantages are the limited damage, rudder efficiency at high speeds, the rather poor roll rate, and the compass at the front-right of the gunsight that can obstruct your view. This aircraft can be used in BnZ fighting, turn fighting, intercepting (to some extent) and some ground pounding.

Before taking off, bring at least 30 minutes of fuel for longer patrol time. Set the convergence to around 250 m since your weapons have low velocity, therefore needing more precise aim at longer range. While your Ki-84 roars down the runway, you will notice that it shifts severely to the left, thus you must put rudder input to the right to taxi straight. As with other Ki series aircraft, only elevator trim is available, so when the stick is at its deadzone, the Ki-84 will roll and yaw to the left side. Therefore you always need to pull the stick a little to the right which can get a bit annoying. Usually, trim for around -1% when cruising around 470 km/h, around -5% when diving around 600 km/h, and when fighting at around 400 km/h no negative trim is needed. When carrying the 2 x 250 kg bombload, no negative trim is needed as well. Landing characteristics are forgiving: cut throttle to make sure you are not above 350 km/h before touchdown. Deploy combat then takeoff flaps to further decelerate in preparation for extending landing gears. Extend at around 260 km/h, control your descend rate throughout. Right before touchdown, deploy landing flaps. The gears are quite sturdy. You can break until the plane reaches full stop and not worry about propeller strike.

For dogfighting, it is always safer to enter with an altitude advantage. Most dogfights in Sim happen around or below 3,000 m so the Ki-84 can easily climb up to that altitude. Once at an advantageous height, boom & zoom the enemies. The Ki-84 can easily accelerate to more than 550 km/h in a dive which is decently fast but requires more precise manoeuvres to get the correct lead, since the faster you go the smaller the shooting window is. Important note: when fighting above 550 km/h, you want to be more precise in the roll and pitch axis, since at this speed the rudder locks up severely, preventing you from making aim adjustments which negatively impacts the lead. You must pretend that your rudder doesn't exist and fully rely on the ailerons and elevators to lead. A successful pass will not usually cripple the enemy given the projectiles' lacklustre damage, so multiple attacks are needed to destroy one plane. Aside from BnZ, the Ki-84 is also excellent at turn fighting - with the appropriate opponent, of course. Except a few dedicated turn fighters, the Ki-84 can out-turn and get on most opponents' tail with combat/takeoff flaps deployed, and can sustain its turning ability throughout the fight. The Ki-84's stable handling allows you to pull some tight manoeuvres, so don't worry too much about flat spins. If you become a prey, try some defensive manoeuvres like barrel rolls or disengage by diving steeply towards a nearby friendly airfield. Note that the Ki-84's roll rate is very average so avoid manoeuvres like scissors.

When performing the "destroy enemy surveillance aircraft/attackers/bombers" task, it is crucial to constantly evade the turrets. If it is a bomber/attacker with decent defensive firepower or robust protection, then you might want to disengage after some attempts if you don't want to die. Pay special attention to any plane equipped with M2 Browning MG, they can critically damage the Ki-84 especially on the engine, fuel tanks, and pilot which can always lead to a later crash. Before attacking try to get an altitude advantage and perform deflection shots. To maximise the damage it is better to aim for their wings and engines, as the fuselage usually soaks up quite some bullets. Only fire when the bomber passes in front of your guns. This short window is not enough to cripple a twin-engine aircraft given the slow velocity, light projectiles and low one-second burst mass. However sometimes it only takes one bullet to set the target aflame. DO NOT follow behind a bomber's 6 unless you are sure that its tail gunners are unconscious. Chasing behind a bomber makes yourself pretty much stationary for the tail gunners, and you will be showered with bullets.

For ground pounding, the best loadout is the 2 x 250 kg bombs. With an extra 500 kg of weight attached outside, the Ki-84 handles much clumsier during take offs, especially on the roll axis. Longer distance is needed before lifting off. It is quite easy to drop bombs accurately with a Ki-84 because this aircraft is able to quickly accelerate above 550 km/h in a dive, the bombs will travel an almost straight line towards the target, therefore you can aim the gunsight directly at the target and expect the bombs to land very close. After bombs away, immediately pull up. The 2 MGs perform well in killing trucks, AA guns and artilleries as they have plenty of ammo, but avoid wasting cannon shells. However, constantly watch your surrounding, especially your high 6 for any incoming enemies.

'''Enemies worth noting:'''

* [[Me 264]]: The Me 264 is armed with large calibre MG and cannons all over it, therefore tailing a 264 is basically suicide unless all of their gunners are knocked out. You can treat the 264 almost like a B-29 or B-17 as they are very similar in both design and defensive capabilities. It is best to head-on the 264 if you can as you can easily knock out the pilots due to its glazed nose while also taking minimal damage. However the bomber lacks a ventral turret on its belly, making it easy to deal damage from below, but be wary of the downwards facing rear 20 mm cannon near the tail. The safest way to attack is from a higher altitude, dive at an oblique angle and focus fire on the wings and nose. Never engage if you have no altitude advantage. Looking somewhat similar to a B-17, an Me 264 has huge back-swept wings with 2 engines on each, and a H-tail which differentiates it from a B-17/B-29.
* [[Yak-3 (Family)|Yak-3]]: this is a capable dogfighter or BnZ fighter that can be a huge threat. Although its firepower is not deadly, it can still critically damage a Ki-84. It is able to fly or dive at similar speeds, and can even engage a turn fight with a Ki-84 that is using takeoff flaps. The Yak-3 has a straight dorsal line housing an inline engine, a bubble canopy with a huge cooling intake sticking out the belly, and its symbolic, triangular wings.
* [[A6M (Family)|A6M]], [[Spitfire (Family)|Spitfire]], etc: If you see these turn fighters on your tail try outrunning them by diving at around -40 degrees. The Ki-84 still remains responsive handling at 600 km/h, but its speed retention is not the best, meaning it will start to lose speed quickly and the enemy might catch up. If you are near a friendly airfield, great. If not, then hope for the best and run towards the friendly side. A Spitfire also has an uncurved dorsal outline and large, elliptical wings. A Zero has a radial engine that's usually painted black, rounded wingtips and stabiliser tips followed by a pointy tail.
* [[Ju 288 C]]: this is a very common bomber in air RB. Their tactics generally fall into two styles: shallow dive bombing and conventional climbing. For the ones that shallow dive towards a bomb base at the start of the match, think twice before engaging. The Ju 288 is very fast for a bomber, being able to reach >500 km/h in a shallow dive which makes it quite hard for an attacker to BnZ it, as it will be slow to catch up to it, giving it long enough time to shoot back. The Ki-84 locks up past 550 km/h, plus the mediocre damage, it is best to leave it for heavy-punching teammates. As for the Ju 288 that climb, do not engage if you have no altitude advantage. It has numerous guns with great downward coverage, posing a big threat to the fragile Ki-84.

=== Manual Engine Control ===
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="7" | MEC elements
|-
! rowspan="2" | Mixer
! rowspan="2" | Pitch
! colspan="3" | Radiator
! rowspan="2" | Supercharger
! rowspan="2" | Turbocharger
|-
! Oil !! Water !! Type
|-
| Controllable || Controllable Not auto controlled || Controllable Not auto controlled || Controllable Not auto controlled || Separate || Controllable 2 gears || Not controllable
|-
|}

* Set radiators to be open from 15% to 35% depending on map climate.
* Propeller pitch from 85% in dives to 95% in climb and straight line flight.
* 2nd gear in supercharger should be used when above ~3400 meters.
* Set magneto to "1+2" for slight power increase.
* Mixture was not modeled for this plane.

=== Pros and cons ===


'''Pros:'''

* Incredible rate of climb compared to other fighters such as the [[Ki-61 (Family)|Ki-61 series]] and the [[A7M2]]
* Effective top speed and energy retention allowing for the effective use of "boom and zoom" tactics
* Great acceleration allowing speed to be regained quickly after duels
* Reasonable performance at high altitude
* Much better dive speed than the earlier Ki-61 series
* Good manoeuvrability at lower speeds
* Jack of all trades: nimble yet quick while having a good degree of energy retention, allows this fighter to hold its own against any fighter that it may encounter
* Good energy retention
* Thanks to its lack of canopy frames, a clear all-round canopy view especially over the nose gives it a huge advantage in simulator.
* Center of mass is behind main landing gears, allowing it to break continuously until it stops. Does not need to worry about propeller strike
* Engine cools down fairly quickly when overheated
* Simple to use with MEC

'''Cons:'''

* Lower maximum dive speed than its American counterparts such as F-82
* The "jack of all trades, master of none" character of this aircraft makes it difficult to play as pilots will need to adapt their play-style to counter specific aircraft that they are facing, subsequently requiring a fair degree of knowledge over the strengths and weaknesses of each aircraft that they will encounter
* Somewhat vulnerable to damage, don't like to take hits.
* Reasonably slow roll-rate causing this fighter to be vulnerable against Japanese fighters or the Fw 190's which are the typical opponents
* Lock-up of the rudder above 650 km/h renders dive bombing or high speed boom and zoom less effective

== History ==
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== Media ==


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;Videos
{{Youtube-gallery|F9FL6xGoSv0|'''Ki-84 Otsu - Nippon All Rounder''' - ''AdamTheEnginerd''|6aL7priUygY|'''Ki-84 ko Hayate - One of the best all around fighters''' - ''Green Fury''}}

== See also ==
''Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:''

* ''reference to the series of the aircraft;''
* ''links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.''

== External links ==


* [https://forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/111031-nakajima-ki-84-i-ko/ Official data sheet - more details about the performance]

{{AirManufacturer Nakajima}}
{{Japan fighters}}

Ki-84 ko

2022-12-10T00:14:20Z

U21187496: /* Pros and cons */ Neither it is 500kmh IAS and neither is severe, plane remains reasonably responsive up to 800 kmh IAS with noticeable improve when under 650km/h IAS

{{About
| about = Japanese fighter '''{{PAGENAME}}'''
| usage = other versions
| link = Ki-84 (Family)
}}
{{Specs-Card
|code=ki_84_ko
|images={{Specs-Card-Image|GarageImage_{{PAGENAME}}.jpg|ArtImage_{{PAGENAME}}.png}}
}}

== Description ==

The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a rank {{Specs|rank}} Japanese fighter {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update 1.37]].

== General info ==
=== Flight performance ===
{{Specs-Avia-Flight}}

The Ki-84 ko is the first truly fast aeroplane in the Japanese tech tree. Equipped with a 2,000 hp engine, this aircraft's performance is on par with that of the legendary P-51 Mustang. However, unlike the Mustang, the Ki-84 has slightly better turning characteristics and climb rate thanks to its lighter weight. This being said, the Ki-84 also has good energy retention, so try to make your opponent bleed energy to have an edge. The Ki-84 was also one of the first mass-produced Japanese aircraft to come equipped with armoured glass, armour plates and self-sealing fuel tanks, but the armour is still lacklustre compared to its Russian and American counterparts. However, as always, not everything is perfect. The aircraft controls stiffen significantly at speeds above 630 km/h, making even slight adjustments to heading impossible. Thus, at higher speeds, its elevator suffers. The Ki-84 also suffers a lot when no modules are researched, making the aircraft almost useless until modifications are unlocked.

This aircraft should be played as it appears: a lightweight Japanese version of the Mustang, retaining good engine performance, decent climb-rate, high diving performance, with solid armament.

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="70%"
! rowspan="2" | Characteristics
! colspan="2" | Max Speed (km/h at 6,000 m)
! rowspan="2" | Max altitude (metres)
! colspan="2" | Turn time (seconds)
! colspan="2" | Rate of climb (metres/second)
! rowspan="2" | Take-off run (metres)
|-
! AB !! RB !! AB !! RB !! AB !! RB
|-
! Stock
| 669 || 650 || rowspan="2" | {{Specs|ceiling}} || 20.2 || 20.8 || 14.1 || 14.1 || rowspan="2" | 421
|-
! Upgraded
| 718 || 692 || 19.1 || 19.4 || 22.6 || 17.9
|-
|}

==== Details ====
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="50%"
|-
! colspan="5" | Features
|-
! Combat flaps !! Take-off flaps !! Landing flaps !! Air brakes !! Arrestor gear
|-
| ✓ || ✓ || ✓ || X || X 
|-
|}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="50%"
|-
! colspan="7" | Limits
|-
! rowspan="2" | Wings (km/h)
! rowspan="2" | Gear (km/h)
! colspan="3" | Flaps (km/h)
! colspan="2" | Max Static G
|-
! Combat !! Take-off !! Landing !! + !! -
|-
| {{Specs|destruction|body}} || {{Specs|destruction|gear}} || 470 || 431 || 280 || ~13 || ~10
|-
|}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="4" | Optimal velocities (km/h)
|-
! Ailerons !! Rudder !! Elevators !! Radiator
|-
| < 400 || < 480 || < 430 || > 324
|-
|}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! Compressor
! Optimal altitude
! 100% Engine power
! WEP Engine power
|-
! Setting 1
| 2,000 m || 1,875 hp || 2,100 hp
|-
! Setting 2
| 5,300 m || 1,675 hp || 1,876 hp
|-
|}

=== Survivability and armour ===
{{Specs-Avia-Armour}}


* 70 mm bulletproof glass in front of pilot
* 13 mm steel head-rest
* 13 mm steel plate behind pilot
* Self-sealing fuel tanks (1 under pilot's feet, 1 in each wingroot)

=== Modifications and economy ===
{{Specs-Economy}}

== Armaments ==
{{Specs-Avia-Armaments}}
=== Offensive armament ===
{{Specs-Avia-Offensive}}

{{main|Ho-5 (20 mm)|Ho-103 (12.7 mm)}}

The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' is armed with:

* 2 x 20 mm Ho-5 cannons, wing-mounted (150 rpg = 300 total)
* 2 x 12.7 mm Ho-103 machine guns, nose-mounted (350 rpg = 700 total)

=== Suspended armament ===
{{Specs-Avia-Suspended}}

{{main|Army Type 94 GPHE (50 kg)|Army Type 92 GPHE (250 kg)}}

The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' can be outfitted with the following ordnance:

* Without load
* 2 x 50 kg Army Type 94 GPHE bombs (100 kg total)
* 2 x 250 kg Army Type 92 GPHE bombs (500 kg total)

== Usage in battles ==


'''Realistic Battles'''

The Ki-84 ko is a very good multi-purpose fighter, its capable of energy fighting and sustained dog fighting making it a menace to face with few enemies matching it, it takes a rather skilled pilot to shake these off as they have great turn fighting capabilities, good climb rate and a decent top speed for their BR.

It is important to remember that when uptiered, you will be fighting aircraft such as the [[Spitfire F Mk 22]], which is faster both in a straight line and in a shallow or steep dive, the best way to reliable deal with this threat is to coax your enemy into a rolling scissors or sustained dog fight as the Spitfire F Mk 22 does not have a faster turn rate than the Ki-84 ko, alternatively if they do not dog fight and they are above you, you can force an over-shoot with some defensive flying and catch the Spitfire either as it passes or when it starts to go back up into its climb thanks to the Ki-84 ko's good climb rate.

The Ki-84 ko is not very well armoured at all and should avoid any head on engagements or well defended aircraft such as [[B-24D-25-CO|B-24s]] as it is rather fragile to enemy fire. The weaponry isn't spectacular either and may require a bit of practice as they are rather lacklustre compared to other planes you will fight.

As a Ki-84 pilot your safest bet is to climb above your opponents and pick and choose your battles, often a good strategy to use is to hunt down the highest altitude enemies and pick them off one by one, remember not to waste all the altitude you have obtained as altitude is your friend in the Ki-84, whether you prefer Boom and Zoom or Dogfighting, the Ki-84 ko is sure to please you.

'''Simulator Battles'''

In Simulator, the Ki-84 is overall a decent plane to fly. It enjoys lovely visibility towards the rear, sides, above, and over the nose, giving the pilot great situational awareness. It has nice handling, good climb rate, great speed and acceleration. Armament-wise, the guns have enough fire rate to put quite a few projectiles into the target in one pass. However the Ki-84's disadvantages are the limited damage, rudder efficiency at high speeds, the rather poor roll rate, and the compass at the front-right of the gunsight that can obstruct your view. This aircraft can be used in BnZ fighting, turn fighting, intercepting (to some extent) and some ground pounding.

Before taking off, bring at least 30 minutes of fuel for longer patrol time. Set the convergence to around 250 m since your weapons have low velocity, therefore needing more precise aim at longer range. While your Ki-84 roars down the runway, you will notice that it shifts severely to the left, thus you must put rudder input to the right to taxi straight. As with other Ki series aircraft, only elevator trim is available, so when the stick is at its deadzone, the Ki-84 will roll and yaw to the left side. Therefore you always need to pull the stick a little to the right which can get a bit annoying. Usually, trim for around -1% when cruising around 470 km/h, around -5% when diving around 600 km/h, and when fighting at around 400 km/h no negative trim is needed. When carrying the 2 x 250 kg bombload, no negative trim is needed as well. Landing characteristics are forgiving: cut throttle to make sure you are not above 350 km/h before touchdown. Deploy combat then takeoff flaps to further decelerate in preparation for extending landing gears. Extend at around 260 km/h, control your descend rate throughout. Right before touchdown, deploy landing flaps. The gears are quite sturdy. You can break until the plane reaches full stop and not worry about propeller strike.

For dogfighting, it is always safer to enter with an altitude advantage. Most dogfights in Sim happen around or below 3,000 m so the Ki-84 can easily climb up to that altitude. Once at an advantageous height, boom & zoom the enemies. The Ki-84 can easily accelerate to more than 550 km/h in a dive which is decently fast but requires more precise manoeuvres to get the correct lead, since the faster you go the smaller the shooting window is. Important note: when fighting above 550 km/h, you want to be more precise in the roll and pitch axis, since at this speed the rudder locks up severely, preventing you from making aim adjustments which negatively impacts the lead. You must pretend that your rudder doesn't exist and fully rely on the ailerons and elevators to lead. A successful pass will not usually cripple the enemy given the projectiles' lacklustre damage, so multiple attacks are needed to destroy one plane. Aside from BnZ, the Ki-84 is also excellent at turn fighting - with the appropriate opponent, of course. Except a few dedicated turn fighters, the Ki-84 can out-turn and get on most opponents' tail with combat/takeoff flaps deployed, and can sustain its turning ability throughout the fight. The Ki-84's stable handling allows you to pull some tight manoeuvres, so don't worry too much about flat spins. If you become a prey, try some defensive manoeuvres like barrel rolls or disengage by diving steeply towards a nearby friendly airfield. Note that the Ki-84's roll rate is very average so avoid manoeuvres like scissors.

When performing the "destroy enemy surveillance aircraft/attackers/bombers" task, it is crucial to constantly evade the turrets. If it is a bomber/attacker with decent defensive firepower or robust protection, then you might want to disengage after some attempts if you don't want to die. Pay special attention to any plane equipped with M2 Browning MG, they can critically damage the Ki-84 especially on the engine, fuel tanks, and pilot which can always lead to a later crash. Before attacking try to get an altitude advantage and perform deflection shots. To maximise the damage it is better to aim for their wings and engines, as the fuselage usually soaks up quite some bullets. Only fire when the bomber passes in front of your guns. This short window is not enough to cripple a twin-engine aircraft given the slow velocity, light projectiles and low one-second burst mass. However sometimes it only takes one bullet to set the target aflame. DO NOT follow behind a bomber's 6 unless you are sure that its tail gunners are unconscious. Chasing behind a bomber makes yourself pretty much stationary for the tail gunners, and you will be showered with bullets.

For ground pounding, the best loadout is the 2 x 250 kg bombs. With an extra 500 kg of weight attached outside, the Ki-84 handles much clumsier during take offs, especially on the roll axis. Longer distance is needed before lifting off. It is quite easy to drop bombs accurately with a Ki-84 because this aircraft is able to quickly accelerate above 550 km/h in a dive, the bombs will travel an almost straight line towards the target, therefore you can aim the gunsight directly at the target and expect the bombs to land very close. After bombs away, immediately pull up. The 2 MGs perform well in killing trucks, AA guns and artilleries as they have plenty of ammo, but avoid wasting cannon shells. However, constantly watch your surrounding, especially your high 6 for any incoming enemies.

'''Enemies worth noting:'''

* [[Me 264]]: The Me 264 is armed with large calibre MG and cannons all over it, therefore tailing a 264 is basically suicide unless all of their gunners are knocked out. You can treat the 264 almost like a B-29 or B-17 as they are very similar in both design and defensive capabilities. It is best to head-on the 264 if you can as you can easily knock out the pilots due to its glazed nose while also taking minimal damage. However the bomber lacks a ventral turret on its belly, making it easy to deal damage from below, but be wary of the downwards facing rear 20 mm cannon near the tail. The safest way to attack is from a higher altitude, dive at an oblique angle and focus fire on the wings and nose. Never engage if you have no altitude advantage. Looking somewhat similar to a B-17, an Me 264 has huge back-swept wings with 2 engines on each, and a H-tail which differentiates it from a B-17/B-29.
* [[Yak-3 (Family)|Yak-3]]: this is a capable dogfighter or BnZ fighter that can be a huge threat. Although its firepower is not deadly, it can still critically damage a Ki-84. It is able to fly or dive at similar speeds, and can even engage a turn fight with a Ki-84 that is using takeoff flaps. The Yak-3 has a straight dorsal line housing an inline engine, a bubble canopy with a huge cooling intake sticking out the belly, and its symbolic, triangular wings.
* [[A6M (Family)|A6M]], [[Spitfire (Family)|Spitfire]], etc: If you see these turn fighters on your tail try outrunning them by diving at around -40 degrees. The Ki-84 still remains responsive handling at 600 km/h, but its speed retention is not the best, meaning it will start to lose speed quickly and the enemy might catch up. If you are near a friendly airfield, great. If not, then hope for the best and run towards the friendly side. A Spitfire also has an uncurved dorsal outline and large, elliptical wings. A Zero has a radial engine that's usually painted black, rounded wingtips and stabiliser tips followed by a pointy tail.
* [[Ju 288 C]]: this is a very common bomber in air RB. Their tactics generally fall into two styles: shallow dive bombing and conventional climbing. For the ones that shallow dive towards a bomb base at the start of the match, think twice before engaging. The Ju 288 is very fast for a bomber, being able to reach >500 km/h in a shallow dive which makes it quite hard for an attacker to BnZ it, as it will be slow to catch up to it, giving it long enough time to shoot back. The Ki-84 locks up past 550 km/h, plus the mediocre damage, it is best to leave it for heavy-punching teammates. As for the Ju 288 that climb, do not engage if you have no altitude advantage. It has numerous guns with great downward coverage, posing a big threat to the fragile Ki-84.

=== Manual Engine Control ===
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="7" | MEC elements
|-
! rowspan="2" | Mixer
! rowspan="2" | Pitch
! colspan="3" | Radiator
! rowspan="2" | Supercharger
! rowspan="2" | Turbocharger
|-
! Oil !! Water !! Type
|-
| Controllable || Controllable Not auto controlled || Controllable Not auto controlled || Controllable Not auto controlled || Separate || Controllable 2 gears || Not controllable
|-
|}

=== Pros and cons ===


'''Pros:'''

* Incredible rate of climb compared to other fighters such as the [[Ki-61 (Family)|Ki-61 series]] and the [[A7M2]]
* Effective top speed and energy retention allowing for the effective use of "boom and zoom" tactics
* Great acceleration allowing speed to be regained quickly after duels
* Reasonable performance at high altitude
* Much better dive speed than the earlier Ki-61 series
* Good manoeuvrability at lower speeds
* Jack of all trades: nimble yet quick while having a good degree of energy retention, allows this fighter to hold its own against any fighter that it may encounter
* Good energy retention
* Thanks to its lack of canopy frames, a clear all-round canopy view especially over the nose gives it a huge advantage in simulator.
* Center of mass is behind main landing gears, allowing it to break continuously until it stops. Does not need to worry about propeller strike
* Engine cools down fairly quickly when overheated
* Simple to use with MEC

'''Cons:'''

* Lower maximum dive speed than its American counterparts such as F-82
* The "jack of all trades, master of none" character of this aircraft makes it difficult to play as pilots will need to adapt their play-style to counter specific aircraft that they are facing, subsequently requiring a fair degree of knowledge over the strengths and weaknesses of each aircraft that they will encounter
* Somewhat vulnerable to damage, don't like to take hits.
* Reasonably slow roll-rate causing this fighter to be vulnerable against Japanese fighters or the Fw 190's which are the typical opponents
* Lock-up of the rudder above 650 km/h renders dive bombing or high speed boom and zoom less effective

== History ==
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== Media ==


;Skins

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;Videos
{{Youtube-gallery|F9FL6xGoSv0|'''Ki-84 Otsu - Nippon All Rounder''' - ''AdamTheEnginerd''|6aL7priUygY|'''Ki-84 ko Hayate - One of the best all around fighters''' - ''Green Fury''}}

== See also ==
''Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:''

* ''reference to the series of the aircraft;''
* ''links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.''

== External links ==


* [https://forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/111031-nakajima-ki-84-i-ko/ Official data sheet - more details about the performance]

{{AirManufacturer Nakajima}}
{{Japan fighters}}

Ki-84 ko

2022-12-09T23:59:24Z

U21187496: /* Survivability and armour */ wording

{{About
| about = Japanese fighter '''{{PAGENAME}}'''
| usage = other versions
| link = Ki-84 (Family)
}}
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|images={{Specs-Card-Image|GarageImage_{{PAGENAME}}.jpg|ArtImage_{{PAGENAME}}.png}}
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== Description ==

The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a rank {{Specs|rank}} Japanese fighter {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update 1.37]].

== General info ==
=== Flight performance ===
{{Specs-Avia-Flight}}

The Ki-84 ko is the first truly fast aeroplane in the Japanese tech tree. Equipped with a 2,000 hp engine, this aircraft's performance is on par with that of the legendary P-51 Mustang. However, unlike the Mustang, the Ki-84 has slightly better turning characteristics and climb rate thanks to its lighter weight. This being said, the Ki-84 also has good energy retention, so try to make your opponent bleed energy to have an edge. The Ki-84 was also one of the first mass-produced Japanese aircraft to come equipped with armoured glass, armour plates and self-sealing fuel tanks, but the armour is still lacklustre compared to its Russian and American counterparts. However, as always, not everything is perfect. The aircraft controls stiffen significantly at speeds above 630 km/h, making even slight adjustments to heading impossible. Thus, at higher speeds, its elevator suffers. The Ki-84 also suffers a lot when no modules are researched, making the aircraft almost useless until modifications are unlocked.

This aircraft should be played as it appears: a lightweight Japanese version of the Mustang, retaining good engine performance, decent climb-rate, high diving performance, with solid armament.

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="70%"
! rowspan="2" | Characteristics
! colspan="2" | Max Speed (km/h at 6,000 m)
! rowspan="2" | Max altitude (metres)
! colspan="2" | Turn time (seconds)
! colspan="2" | Rate of climb (metres/second)
! rowspan="2" | Take-off run (metres)
|-
! AB !! RB !! AB !! RB !! AB !! RB
|-
! Stock
| 669 || 650 || rowspan="2" | {{Specs|ceiling}} || 20.2 || 20.8 || 14.1 || 14.1 || rowspan="2" | 421
|-
! Upgraded
| 718 || 692 || 19.1 || 19.4 || 22.6 || 17.9
|-
|}

==== Details ====
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="50%"
|-
! colspan="5" | Features
|-
! Combat flaps !! Take-off flaps !! Landing flaps !! Air brakes !! Arrestor gear
|-
| ✓ || ✓ || ✓ || X || X 
|-
|}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="50%"
|-
! colspan="7" | Limits
|-
! rowspan="2" | Wings (km/h)
! rowspan="2" | Gear (km/h)
! colspan="3" | Flaps (km/h)
! colspan="2" | Max Static G
|-
! Combat !! Take-off !! Landing !! + !! -
|-
| {{Specs|destruction|body}} || {{Specs|destruction|gear}} || 470 || 431 || 280 || ~13 || ~10
|-
|}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="4" | Optimal velocities (km/h)
|-
! Ailerons !! Rudder !! Elevators !! Radiator
|-
| < 400 || < 480 || < 430 || > 324
|-
|}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! Compressor
! Optimal altitude
! 100% Engine power
! WEP Engine power
|-
! Setting 1
| 2,000 m || 1,875 hp || 2,100 hp
|-
! Setting 2
| 5,300 m || 1,675 hp || 1,876 hp
|-
|}

=== Survivability and armour ===
{{Specs-Avia-Armour}}


* 70 mm bulletproof glass in front of pilot
* 13 mm steel head-rest
* 13 mm steel plate behind pilot
* Self-sealing fuel tanks (1 under pilot's feet, 1 in each wingroot)

=== Modifications and economy ===
{{Specs-Economy}}

== Armaments ==
{{Specs-Avia-Armaments}}
=== Offensive armament ===
{{Specs-Avia-Offensive}}

{{main|Ho-5 (20 mm)|Ho-103 (12.7 mm)}}

The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' is armed with:

* 2 x 20 mm Ho-5 cannons, wing-mounted (150 rpg = 300 total)
* 2 x 12.7 mm Ho-103 machine guns, nose-mounted (350 rpg = 700 total)

=== Suspended armament ===
{{Specs-Avia-Suspended}}

{{main|Army Type 94 GPHE (50 kg)|Army Type 92 GPHE (250 kg)}}

The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' can be outfitted with the following ordnance:

* Without load
* 2 x 50 kg Army Type 94 GPHE bombs (100 kg total)
* 2 x 250 kg Army Type 92 GPHE bombs (500 kg total)

== Usage in battles ==


'''Realistic Battles'''

The Ki-84 ko is a very good multi-purpose fighter, its capable of energy fighting and sustained dog fighting making it a menace to face with few enemies matching it, it takes a rather skilled pilot to shake these off as they have great turn fighting capabilities, good climb rate and a decent top speed for their BR.

It is important to remember that when uptiered, you will be fighting aircraft such as the [[Spitfire F Mk 22]], which is faster both in a straight line and in a shallow or steep dive, the best way to reliable deal with this threat is to coax your enemy into a rolling scissors or sustained dog fight as the Spitfire F Mk 22 does not have a faster turn rate than the Ki-84 ko, alternatively if they do not dog fight and they are above you, you can force an over-shoot with some defensive flying and catch the Spitfire either as it passes or when it starts to go back up into its climb thanks to the Ki-84 ko's good climb rate.

The Ki-84 ko is not very well armoured at all and should avoid any head on engagements or well defended aircraft such as [[B-24D-25-CO|B-24s]] as it is rather fragile to enemy fire. The weaponry isn't spectacular either and may require a bit of practice as they are rather lacklustre compared to other planes you will fight.

As a Ki-84 pilot your safest bet is to climb above your opponents and pick and choose your battles, often a good strategy to use is to hunt down the highest altitude enemies and pick them off one by one, remember not to waste all the altitude you have obtained as altitude is your friend in the Ki-84, whether you prefer Boom and Zoom or Dogfighting, the Ki-84 ko is sure to please you.

'''Simulator Battles'''

In Simulator, the Ki-84 is overall a decent plane to fly. It enjoys lovely visibility towards the rear, sides, above, and over the nose, giving the pilot great situational awareness. It has nice handling, good climb rate, great speed and acceleration. Armament-wise, the guns have enough fire rate to put quite a few projectiles into the target in one pass. However the Ki-84's disadvantages are the limited damage, rudder efficiency at high speeds, the rather poor roll rate, and the compass at the front-right of the gunsight that can obstruct your view. This aircraft can be used in BnZ fighting, turn fighting, intercepting (to some extent) and some ground pounding.

Before taking off, bring at least 30 minutes of fuel for longer patrol time. Set the convergence to around 250 m since your weapons have low velocity, therefore needing more precise aim at longer range. While your Ki-84 roars down the runway, you will notice that it shifts severely to the left, thus you must put rudder input to the right to taxi straight. As with other Ki series aircraft, only elevator trim is available, so when the stick is at its deadzone, the Ki-84 will roll and yaw to the left side. Therefore you always need to pull the stick a little to the right which can get a bit annoying. Usually, trim for around -1% when cruising around 470 km/h, around -5% when diving around 600 km/h, and when fighting at around 400 km/h no negative trim is needed. When carrying the 2 x 250 kg bombload, no negative trim is needed as well. Landing characteristics are forgiving: cut throttle to make sure you are not above 350 km/h before touchdown. Deploy combat then takeoff flaps to further decelerate in preparation for extending landing gears. Extend at around 260 km/h, control your descend rate throughout. Right before touchdown, deploy landing flaps. The gears are quite sturdy. You can break until the plane reaches full stop and not worry about propeller strike.

For dogfighting, it is always safer to enter with an altitude advantage. Most dogfights in Sim happen around or below 3,000 m so the Ki-84 can easily climb up to that altitude. Once at an advantageous height, boom & zoom the enemies. The Ki-84 can easily accelerate to more than 550 km/h in a dive which is decently fast but requires more precise manoeuvres to get the correct lead, since the faster you go the smaller the shooting window is. Important note: when fighting above 550 km/h, you want to be more precise in the roll and pitch axis, since at this speed the rudder locks up severely, preventing you from making aim adjustments which negatively impacts the lead. You must pretend that your rudder doesn't exist and fully rely on the ailerons and elevators to lead. A successful pass will not usually cripple the enemy given the projectiles' lacklustre damage, so multiple attacks are needed to destroy one plane. Aside from BnZ, the Ki-84 is also excellent at turn fighting - with the appropriate opponent, of course. Except a few dedicated turn fighters, the Ki-84 can out-turn and get on most opponents' tail with combat/takeoff flaps deployed, and can sustain its turning ability throughout the fight. The Ki-84's stable handling allows you to pull some tight manoeuvres, so don't worry too much about flat spins. If you become a prey, try some defensive manoeuvres like barrel rolls or disengage by diving steeply towards a nearby friendly airfield. Note that the Ki-84's roll rate is very average so avoid manoeuvres like scissors.

When performing the "destroy enemy surveillance aircraft/attackers/bombers" task, it is crucial to constantly evade the turrets. If it is a bomber/attacker with decent defensive firepower or robust protection, then you might want to disengage after some attempts if you don't want to die. Pay special attention to any plane equipped with M2 Browning MG, they can critically damage the Ki-84 especially on the engine, fuel tanks, and pilot which can always lead to a later crash. Before attacking try to get an altitude advantage and perform deflection shots. To maximise the damage it is better to aim for their wings and engines, as the fuselage usually soaks up quite some bullets. Only fire when the bomber passes in front of your guns. This short window is not enough to cripple a twin-engine aircraft given the slow velocity, light projectiles and low one-second burst mass. However sometimes it only takes one bullet to set the target aflame. DO NOT follow behind a bomber's 6 unless you are sure that its tail gunners are unconscious. Chasing behind a bomber makes yourself pretty much stationary for the tail gunners, and you will be showered with bullets.

For ground pounding, the best loadout is the 2 x 250 kg bombs. With an extra 500 kg of weight attached outside, the Ki-84 handles much clumsier during take offs, especially on the roll axis. Longer distance is needed before lifting off. It is quite easy to drop bombs accurately with a Ki-84 because this aircraft is able to quickly accelerate above 550 km/h in a dive, the bombs will travel an almost straight line towards the target, therefore you can aim the gunsight directly at the target and expect the bombs to land very close. After bombs away, immediately pull up. The 2 MGs perform well in killing trucks, AA guns and artilleries as they have plenty of ammo, but avoid wasting cannon shells. However, constantly watch your surrounding, especially your high 6 for any incoming enemies.

'''Enemies worth noting:'''

* [[Me 264]]: The Me 264 is armed with large calibre MG and cannons all over it, therefore tailing a 264 is basically suicide unless all of their gunners are knocked out. You can treat the 264 almost like a B-29 or B-17 as they are very similar in both design and defensive capabilities. It is best to head-on the 264 if you can as you can easily knock out the pilots due to its glazed nose while also taking minimal damage. However the bomber lacks a ventral turret on its belly, making it easy to deal damage from below, but be wary of the downwards facing rear 20 mm cannon near the tail. The safest way to attack is from a higher altitude, dive at an oblique angle and focus fire on the wings and nose. Never engage if you have no altitude advantage. Looking somewhat similar to a B-17, an Me 264 has huge back-swept wings with 2 engines on each, and a H-tail which differentiates it from a B-17/B-29.
* [[Yak-3 (Family)|Yak-3]]: this is a capable dogfighter or BnZ fighter that can be a huge threat. Although its firepower is not deadly, it can still critically damage a Ki-84. It is able to fly or dive at similar speeds, and can even engage a turn fight with a Ki-84 that is using takeoff flaps. The Yak-3 has a straight dorsal line housing an inline engine, a bubble canopy with a huge cooling intake sticking out the belly, and its symbolic, triangular wings.
* [[A6M (Family)|A6M]], [[Spitfire (Family)|Spitfire]], etc: If you see these turn fighters on your tail try outrunning them by diving at around -40 degrees. The Ki-84 still remains responsive handling at 600 km/h, but its speed retention is not the best, meaning it will start to lose speed quickly and the enemy might catch up. If you are near a friendly airfield, great. If not, then hope for the best and run towards the friendly side. A Spitfire also has an uncurved dorsal outline and large, elliptical wings. A Zero has a radial engine that's usually painted black, rounded wingtips and stabiliser tips followed by a pointy tail.
* [[Ju 288 C]]: this is a very common bomber in air RB. Their tactics generally fall into two styles: shallow dive bombing and conventional climbing. For the ones that shallow dive towards a bomb base at the start of the match, think twice before engaging. The Ju 288 is very fast for a bomber, being able to reach >500 km/h in a shallow dive which makes it quite hard for an attacker to BnZ it, as it will be slow to catch up to it, giving it long enough time to shoot back. The Ki-84 locks up past 550 km/h, plus the mediocre damage, it is best to leave it for heavy-punching teammates. As for the Ju 288 that climb, do not engage if you have no altitude advantage. It has numerous guns with great downward coverage, posing a big threat to the fragile Ki-84.

=== Manual Engine Control ===
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="7" | MEC elements
|-
! rowspan="2" | Mixer
! rowspan="2" | Pitch
! colspan="3" | Radiator
! rowspan="2" | Supercharger
! rowspan="2" | Turbocharger
|-
! Oil !! Water !! Type
|-
| Controllable || Controllable Not auto controlled || Controllable Not auto controlled || Controllable Not auto controlled || Separate || Controllable 2 gears || Not controllable
|-
|}

=== Pros and cons ===


'''Pros:'''

* Incredible rate of climb compared to other fighters such as the [[Ki-61 (Family)|Ki-61 series]] and the [[A7M2]]
* Effective top speed and energy retention allowing for the effective use of "boom and zoom" tactics
* Great acceleration allowing speed to be regained quickly after duels
* Reasonable performance at high altitude
* Much better dive speed than the earlier Ki-61 series
* Good manoeuvrability at lower speeds
* Jack of all trades: nimble yet quick while having a good degree of energy retention, allows this fighter to hold its own against any fighter that it may encounter
* Good energy retention
* Thanks to its lack of canopy frames, a clear all-round canopy view especially over the nose gives it a huge advantage in simulator.
* Center of mass is behind main landing gears, allowing it to break continuously until it stops. Does not need to worry about propeller strike
* Engine cools down fairly quickly when overheated

'''Cons:'''

* Lower maximum dive speed than its American counterparts such as F-82
* The "jack of all trades, master of none" character of this aircraft makes it difficult to play as pilots will need to adapt their play-style to counter specific aircraft that they are facing, subsequently requiring a fair degree of knowledge over the strengths and weaknesses of each aircraft that they will encounter
* Unspectacular weaponry
* Somewhat vulnerable to damage
* Reasonably slow roll-rate causing this fighter to be vulnerable against Japanese fighters or the Fw 190's which are the typical opponents
* Severe lock-up of the rudder above 500 km/h renders dive bombing or high speed boom and zoom less effective
* Elevator locks up at high speeds

== History ==
''Describe the history of the creation and combat usage of the aircraft in more detail than in the introduction. If the historical reference turns out to be too long, take it to a separate article, taking a link to the article about the vehicle and adding a block "/History" (example: <nowiki>https://wiki.warthunder.com/(Vehicle-name)/History</nowiki>) and add a link to it here using the <code>main</code> template. Be sure to reference text and sources by using <code><nowiki><ref></ref></nowiki></code>, as well as adding them at the end of the article with <code><nowiki><references /></nowiki></code>. This section may also include the vehicle's dev blog entry (if applicable) and the in-game encyclopedia description (under <code><nowiki>=== In-game description ===</nowiki></code>, also if applicable).''

== Media ==


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{{Youtube-gallery|F9FL6xGoSv0|'''Ki-84 Otsu - Nippon All Rounder''' - ''AdamTheEnginerd''|6aL7priUygY|'''Ki-84 ko Hayate - One of the best all around fighters''' - ''Green Fury''}}

== See also ==
''Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:''

* ''reference to the series of the aircraft;''
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== External links ==


* [https://forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/111031-nakajima-ki-84-i-ko/ Official data sheet - more details about the performance]

{{AirManufacturer Nakajima}}
{{Japan fighters}}

Ki-84 ko

2022-12-09T23:58:38Z

U21187496: /* Survivability and armour */ Changed value from 6 to 13 to match in-game plane parameters.

{{About
| about = Japanese fighter '''{{PAGENAME}}'''
| usage = other versions
| link = Ki-84 (Family)
}}
{{Specs-Card
|code=ki_84_ko
|images={{Specs-Card-Image|GarageImage_{{PAGENAME}}.jpg|ArtImage_{{PAGENAME}}.png}}
}}

== Description ==

The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a rank {{Specs|rank}} Japanese fighter {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update 1.37]].

== General info ==
=== Flight performance ===
{{Specs-Avia-Flight}}

The Ki-84 ko is the first truly fast aeroplane in the Japanese tech tree. Equipped with a 2,000 hp engine, this aircraft's performance is on par with that of the legendary P-51 Mustang. However, unlike the Mustang, the Ki-84 has slightly better turning characteristics and climb rate thanks to its lighter weight. This being said, the Ki-84 also has good energy retention, so try to make your opponent bleed energy to have an edge. The Ki-84 was also one of the first mass-produced Japanese aircraft to come equipped with armoured glass, armour plates and self-sealing fuel tanks, but the armour is still lacklustre compared to its Russian and American counterparts. However, as always, not everything is perfect. The aircraft controls stiffen significantly at speeds above 630 km/h, making even slight adjustments to heading impossible. Thus, at higher speeds, its elevator suffers. The Ki-84 also suffers a lot when no modules are researched, making the aircraft almost useless until modifications are unlocked.

This aircraft should be played as it appears: a lightweight Japanese version of the Mustang, retaining good engine performance, decent climb-rate, high diving performance, with solid armament.

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="70%"
! rowspan="2" | Characteristics
! colspan="2" | Max Speed (km/h at 6,000 m)
! rowspan="2" | Max altitude (metres)
! colspan="2" | Turn time (seconds)
! colspan="2" | Rate of climb (metres/second)
! rowspan="2" | Take-off run (metres)
|-
! AB !! RB !! AB !! RB !! AB !! RB
|-
! Stock
| 669 || 650 || rowspan="2" | {{Specs|ceiling}} || 20.2 || 20.8 || 14.1 || 14.1 || rowspan="2" | 421
|-
! Upgraded
| 718 || 692 || 19.1 || 19.4 || 22.6 || 17.9
|-
|}

==== Details ====
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="50%"
|-
! colspan="5" | Features
|-
! Combat flaps !! Take-off flaps !! Landing flaps !! Air brakes !! Arrestor gear
|-
| ✓ || ✓ || ✓ || X || X 
|-
|}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="50%"
|-
! colspan="7" | Limits
|-
! rowspan="2" | Wings (km/h)
! rowspan="2" | Gear (km/h)
! colspan="3" | Flaps (km/h)
! colspan="2" | Max Static G
|-
! Combat !! Take-off !! Landing !! + !! -
|-
| {{Specs|destruction|body}} || {{Specs|destruction|gear}} || 470 || 431 || 280 || ~13 || ~10
|-
|}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="4" | Optimal velocities (km/h)
|-
! Ailerons !! Rudder !! Elevators !! Radiator
|-
| < 400 || < 480 || < 430 || > 324
|-
|}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! Compressor
! Optimal altitude
! 100% Engine power
! WEP Engine power
|-
! Setting 1
| 2,000 m || 1,875 hp || 2,100 hp
|-
! Setting 2
| 5,300 m || 1,675 hp || 1,876 hp
|-
|}

=== Survivability and armour ===
{{Specs-Avia-Armour}}


* 70 mm bulletproof glass in front of pilot
* 13 mm steel behind pilot's head
* 13 mm steel behind pilot
* Self-sealing fuel tanks (1 under pilot's feet, 1 in each wingroot)

=== Modifications and economy ===
{{Specs-Economy}}

== Armaments ==
{{Specs-Avia-Armaments}}
=== Offensive armament ===
{{Specs-Avia-Offensive}}

{{main|Ho-5 (20 mm)|Ho-103 (12.7 mm)}}

The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' is armed with:

* 2 x 20 mm Ho-5 cannons, wing-mounted (150 rpg = 300 total)
* 2 x 12.7 mm Ho-103 machine guns, nose-mounted (350 rpg = 700 total)

=== Suspended armament ===
{{Specs-Avia-Suspended}}

{{main|Army Type 94 GPHE (50 kg)|Army Type 92 GPHE (250 kg)}}

The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' can be outfitted with the following ordnance:

* Without load
* 2 x 50 kg Army Type 94 GPHE bombs (100 kg total)
* 2 x 250 kg Army Type 92 GPHE bombs (500 kg total)

== Usage in battles ==


'''Realistic Battles'''

The Ki-84 ko is a very good multi-purpose fighter, its capable of energy fighting and sustained dog fighting making it a menace to face with few enemies matching it, it takes a rather skilled pilot to shake these off as they have great turn fighting capabilities, good climb rate and a decent top speed for their BR.

It is important to remember that when uptiered, you will be fighting aircraft such as the [[Spitfire F Mk 22]], which is faster both in a straight line and in a shallow or steep dive, the best way to reliable deal with this threat is to coax your enemy into a rolling scissors or sustained dog fight as the Spitfire F Mk 22 does not have a faster turn rate than the Ki-84 ko, alternatively if they do not dog fight and they are above you, you can force an over-shoot with some defensive flying and catch the Spitfire either as it passes or when it starts to go back up into its climb thanks to the Ki-84 ko's good climb rate.

The Ki-84 ko is not very well armoured at all and should avoid any head on engagements or well defended aircraft such as [[B-24D-25-CO|B-24s]] as it is rather fragile to enemy fire. The weaponry isn't spectacular either and may require a bit of practice as they are rather lacklustre compared to other planes you will fight.

As a Ki-84 pilot your safest bet is to climb above your opponents and pick and choose your battles, often a good strategy to use is to hunt down the highest altitude enemies and pick them off one by one, remember not to waste all the altitude you have obtained as altitude is your friend in the Ki-84, whether you prefer Boom and Zoom or Dogfighting, the Ki-84 ko is sure to please you.

'''Simulator Battles'''

In Simulator, the Ki-84 is overall a decent plane to fly. It enjoys lovely visibility towards the rear, sides, above, and over the nose, giving the pilot great situational awareness. It has nice handling, good climb rate, great speed and acceleration. Armament-wise, the guns have enough fire rate to put quite a few projectiles into the target in one pass. However the Ki-84's disadvantages are the limited damage, rudder efficiency at high speeds, the rather poor roll rate, and the compass at the front-right of the gunsight that can obstruct your view. This aircraft can be used in BnZ fighting, turn fighting, intercepting (to some extent) and some ground pounding.

Before taking off, bring at least 30 minutes of fuel for longer patrol time. Set the convergence to around 250 m since your weapons have low velocity, therefore needing more precise aim at longer range. While your Ki-84 roars down the runway, you will notice that it shifts severely to the left, thus you must put rudder input to the right to taxi straight. As with other Ki series aircraft, only elevator trim is available, so when the stick is at its deadzone, the Ki-84 will roll and yaw to the left side. Therefore you always need to pull the stick a little to the right which can get a bit annoying. Usually, trim for around -1% when cruising around 470 km/h, around -5% when diving around 600 km/h, and when fighting at around 400 km/h no negative trim is needed. When carrying the 2 x 250 kg bombload, no negative trim is needed as well. Landing characteristics are forgiving: cut throttle to make sure you are not above 350 km/h before touchdown. Deploy combat then takeoff flaps to further decelerate in preparation for extending landing gears. Extend at around 260 km/h, control your descend rate throughout. Right before touchdown, deploy landing flaps. The gears are quite sturdy. You can break until the plane reaches full stop and not worry about propeller strike.

For dogfighting, it is always safer to enter with an altitude advantage. Most dogfights in Sim happen around or below 3,000 m so the Ki-84 can easily climb up to that altitude. Once at an advantageous height, boom & zoom the enemies. The Ki-84 can easily accelerate to more than 550 km/h in a dive which is decently fast but requires more precise manoeuvres to get the correct lead, since the faster you go the smaller the shooting window is. Important note: when fighting above 550 km/h, you want to be more precise in the roll and pitch axis, since at this speed the rudder locks up severely, preventing you from making aim adjustments which negatively impacts the lead. You must pretend that your rudder doesn't exist and fully rely on the ailerons and elevators to lead. A successful pass will not usually cripple the enemy given the projectiles' lacklustre damage, so multiple attacks are needed to destroy one plane. Aside from BnZ, the Ki-84 is also excellent at turn fighting - with the appropriate opponent, of course. Except a few dedicated turn fighters, the Ki-84 can out-turn and get on most opponents' tail with combat/takeoff flaps deployed, and can sustain its turning ability throughout the fight. The Ki-84's stable handling allows you to pull some tight manoeuvres, so don't worry too much about flat spins. If you become a prey, try some defensive manoeuvres like barrel rolls or disengage by diving steeply towards a nearby friendly airfield. Note that the Ki-84's roll rate is very average so avoid manoeuvres like scissors.

When performing the "destroy enemy surveillance aircraft/attackers/bombers" task, it is crucial to constantly evade the turrets. If it is a bomber/attacker with decent defensive firepower or robust protection, then you might want to disengage after some attempts if you don't want to die. Pay special attention to any plane equipped with M2 Browning MG, they can critically damage the Ki-84 especially on the engine, fuel tanks, and pilot which can always lead to a later crash. Before attacking try to get an altitude advantage and perform deflection shots. To maximise the damage it is better to aim for their wings and engines, as the fuselage usually soaks up quite some bullets. Only fire when the bomber passes in front of your guns. This short window is not enough to cripple a twin-engine aircraft given the slow velocity, light projectiles and low one-second burst mass. However sometimes it only takes one bullet to set the target aflame. DO NOT follow behind a bomber's 6 unless you are sure that its tail gunners are unconscious. Chasing behind a bomber makes yourself pretty much stationary for the tail gunners, and you will be showered with bullets.

For ground pounding, the best loadout is the 2 x 250 kg bombs. With an extra 500 kg of weight attached outside, the Ki-84 handles much clumsier during take offs, especially on the roll axis. Longer distance is needed before lifting off. It is quite easy to drop bombs accurately with a Ki-84 because this aircraft is able to quickly accelerate above 550 km/h in a dive, the bombs will travel an almost straight line towards the target, therefore you can aim the gunsight directly at the target and expect the bombs to land very close. After bombs away, immediately pull up. The 2 MGs perform well in killing trucks, AA guns and artilleries as they have plenty of ammo, but avoid wasting cannon shells. However, constantly watch your surrounding, especially your high 6 for any incoming enemies.

'''Enemies worth noting:'''

* [[Me 264]]: The Me 264 is armed with large calibre MG and cannons all over it, therefore tailing a 264 is basically suicide unless all of their gunners are knocked out. You can treat the 264 almost like a B-29 or B-17 as they are very similar in both design and defensive capabilities. It is best to head-on the 264 if you can as you can easily knock out the pilots due to its glazed nose while also taking minimal damage. However the bomber lacks a ventral turret on its belly, making it easy to deal damage from below, but be wary of the downwards facing rear 20 mm cannon near the tail. The safest way to attack is from a higher altitude, dive at an oblique angle and focus fire on the wings and nose. Never engage if you have no altitude advantage. Looking somewhat similar to a B-17, an Me 264 has huge back-swept wings with 2 engines on each, and a H-tail which differentiates it from a B-17/B-29.
* [[Yak-3 (Family)|Yak-3]]: this is a capable dogfighter or BnZ fighter that can be a huge threat. Although its firepower is not deadly, it can still critically damage a Ki-84. It is able to fly or dive at similar speeds, and can even engage a turn fight with a Ki-84 that is using takeoff flaps. The Yak-3 has a straight dorsal line housing an inline engine, a bubble canopy with a huge cooling intake sticking out the belly, and its symbolic, triangular wings.
* [[A6M (Family)|A6M]], [[Spitfire (Family)|Spitfire]], etc: If you see these turn fighters on your tail try outrunning them by diving at around -40 degrees. The Ki-84 still remains responsive handling at 600 km/h, but its speed retention is not the best, meaning it will start to lose speed quickly and the enemy might catch up. If you are near a friendly airfield, great. If not, then hope for the best and run towards the friendly side. A Spitfire also has an uncurved dorsal outline and large, elliptical wings. A Zero has a radial engine that's usually painted black, rounded wingtips and stabiliser tips followed by a pointy tail.
* [[Ju 288 C]]: this is a very common bomber in air RB. Their tactics generally fall into two styles: shallow dive bombing and conventional climbing. For the ones that shallow dive towards a bomb base at the start of the match, think twice before engaging. The Ju 288 is very fast for a bomber, being able to reach >500 km/h in a shallow dive which makes it quite hard for an attacker to BnZ it, as it will be slow to catch up to it, giving it long enough time to shoot back. The Ki-84 locks up past 550 km/h, plus the mediocre damage, it is best to leave it for heavy-punching teammates. As for the Ju 288 that climb, do not engage if you have no altitude advantage. It has numerous guns with great downward coverage, posing a big threat to the fragile Ki-84.

=== Manual Engine Control ===
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="7" | MEC elements
|-
! rowspan="2" | Mixer
! rowspan="2" | Pitch
! colspan="3" | Radiator
! rowspan="2" | Supercharger
! rowspan="2" | Turbocharger
|-
! Oil !! Water !! Type
|-
| Controllable || Controllable Not auto controlled || Controllable Not auto controlled || Controllable Not auto controlled || Separate || Controllable 2 gears || Not controllable
|-
|}

=== Pros and cons ===


'''Pros:'''

* Incredible rate of climb compared to other fighters such as the [[Ki-61 (Family)|Ki-61 series]] and the [[A7M2]]
* Effective top speed and energy retention allowing for the effective use of "boom and zoom" tactics
* Great acceleration allowing speed to be regained quickly after duels
* Reasonable performance at high altitude
* Much better dive speed than the earlier Ki-61 series
* Good manoeuvrability at lower speeds
* Jack of all trades: nimble yet quick while having a good degree of energy retention, allows this fighter to hold its own against any fighter that it may encounter
* Good energy retention
* Thanks to its lack of canopy frames, a clear all-round canopy view especially over the nose gives it a huge advantage in simulator.
* Center of mass is behind main landing gears, allowing it to break continuously until it stops. Does not need to worry about propeller strike
* Engine cools down fairly quickly when overheated

'''Cons:'''

* Lower maximum dive speed than its American counterparts such as F-82
* The "jack of all trades, master of none" character of this aircraft makes it difficult to play as pilots will need to adapt their play-style to counter specific aircraft that they are facing, subsequently requiring a fair degree of knowledge over the strengths and weaknesses of each aircraft that they will encounter
* Unspectacular weaponry
* Somewhat vulnerable to damage
* Reasonably slow roll-rate causing this fighter to be vulnerable against Japanese fighters or the Fw 190's which are the typical opponents
* Severe lock-up of the rudder above 500 km/h renders dive bombing or high speed boom and zoom less effective
* Elevator locks up at high speeds

== History ==
''Describe the history of the creation and combat usage of the aircraft in more detail than in the introduction. If the historical reference turns out to be too long, take it to a separate article, taking a link to the article about the vehicle and adding a block "/History" (example: <nowiki>https://wiki.warthunder.com/(Vehicle-name)/History</nowiki>) and add a link to it here using the <code>main</code> template. Be sure to reference text and sources by using <code><nowiki><ref></ref></nowiki></code>, as well as adding them at the end of the article with <code><nowiki><references /></nowiki></code>. This section may also include the vehicle's dev blog entry (if applicable) and the in-game encyclopedia description (under <code><nowiki>=== In-game description ===</nowiki></code>, also if applicable).''

== Media ==


;Skins

* [https://live.warthunder.com/feed/camouflages/?vehicle=ki_84_ko Skins and camouflages for the {{PAGENAME}} from live.warthunder.com.]

;Videos
{{Youtube-gallery|F9FL6xGoSv0|'''Ki-84 Otsu - Nippon All Rounder''' - ''AdamTheEnginerd''|6aL7priUygY|'''Ki-84 ko Hayate - One of the best all around fighters''' - ''Green Fury''}}

== See also ==
''Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:''

* ''reference to the series of the aircraft;''
* ''links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.''

== External links ==


* [https://forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/111031-nakajima-ki-84-i-ko/ Official data sheet - more details about the performance]

{{AirManufacturer Nakajima}}
{{Japan fighters}}

Ki-84 ko

2022-12-09T23:57:17Z

U21187496: /* General info */ After Ho103 belt upgrade, with their IAI rounds, they are better than Ho5 cannons, offering much more reliable damage with superior to them bullet ballistic. Ki84 Ko carries much stronger punch than any USA .50 call only counterpart.

{{About
| about = Japanese fighter '''{{PAGENAME}}'''
| usage = other versions
| link = Ki-84 (Family)
}}
{{Specs-Card
|code=ki_84_ko
|images={{Specs-Card-Image|GarageImage_{{PAGENAME}}.jpg|ArtImage_{{PAGENAME}}.png}}
}}

== Description ==

The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a rank {{Specs|rank}} Japanese fighter {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update 1.37]].

== General info ==
=== Flight performance ===
{{Specs-Avia-Flight}}

The Ki-84 ko is the first truly fast aeroplane in the Japanese tech tree. Equipped with a 2,000 hp engine, this aircraft's performance is on par with that of the legendary P-51 Mustang. However, unlike the Mustang, the Ki-84 has slightly better turning characteristics and climb rate thanks to its lighter weight. This being said, the Ki-84 also has good energy retention, so try to make your opponent bleed energy to have an edge. The Ki-84 was also one of the first mass-produced Japanese aircraft to come equipped with armoured glass, armour plates and self-sealing fuel tanks, but the armour is still lacklustre compared to its Russian and American counterparts. However, as always, not everything is perfect. The aircraft controls stiffen significantly at speeds above 630 km/h, making even slight adjustments to heading impossible. Thus, at higher speeds, its elevator suffers. The Ki-84 also suffers a lot when no modules are researched, making the aircraft almost useless until modifications are unlocked.

This aircraft should be played as it appears: a lightweight Japanese version of the Mustang, retaining good engine performance, decent climb-rate, high diving performance, with solid armament.

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="70%"
! rowspan="2" | Characteristics
! colspan="2" | Max Speed (km/h at 6,000 m)
! rowspan="2" | Max altitude (metres)
! colspan="2" | Turn time (seconds)
! colspan="2" | Rate of climb (metres/second)
! rowspan="2" | Take-off run (metres)
|-
! AB !! RB !! AB !! RB !! AB !! RB
|-
! Stock
| 669 || 650 || rowspan="2" | {{Specs|ceiling}} || 20.2 || 20.8 || 14.1 || 14.1 || rowspan="2" | 421
|-
! Upgraded
| 718 || 692 || 19.1 || 19.4 || 22.6 || 17.9
|-
|}

==== Details ====
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="50%"
|-
! colspan="5" | Features
|-
! Combat flaps !! Take-off flaps !! Landing flaps !! Air brakes !! Arrestor gear
|-
| ✓ || ✓ || ✓ || X || X 
|-
|}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="50%"
|-
! colspan="7" | Limits
|-
! rowspan="2" | Wings (km/h)
! rowspan="2" | Gear (km/h)
! colspan="3" | Flaps (km/h)
! colspan="2" | Max Static G
|-
! Combat !! Take-off !! Landing !! + !! -
|-
| {{Specs|destruction|body}} || {{Specs|destruction|gear}} || 470 || 431 || 280 || ~13 || ~10
|-
|}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="4" | Optimal velocities (km/h)
|-
! Ailerons !! Rudder !! Elevators !! Radiator
|-
| < 400 || < 480 || < 430 || > 324
|-
|}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! Compressor
! Optimal altitude
! 100% Engine power
! WEP Engine power
|-
! Setting 1
| 2,000 m || 1,875 hp || 2,100 hp
|-
! Setting 2
| 5,300 m || 1,675 hp || 1,876 hp
|-
|}

=== Survivability and armour ===
{{Specs-Avia-Armour}}


* 70 mm bulletproof glass in front of pilot
* 6 mm steel behind pilot's head
* 13 mm steel behind pilot
* Self-sealing fuel tanks (1 under pilot's feet, 1 in each wingroot)

=== Modifications and economy ===
{{Specs-Economy}}

== Armaments ==
{{Specs-Avia-Armaments}}
=== Offensive armament ===
{{Specs-Avia-Offensive}}

{{main|Ho-5 (20 mm)|Ho-103 (12.7 mm)}}

The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' is armed with:

* 2 x 20 mm Ho-5 cannons, wing-mounted (150 rpg = 300 total)
* 2 x 12.7 mm Ho-103 machine guns, nose-mounted (350 rpg = 700 total)

=== Suspended armament ===
{{Specs-Avia-Suspended}}

{{main|Army Type 94 GPHE (50 kg)|Army Type 92 GPHE (250 kg)}}

The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' can be outfitted with the following ordnance:

* Without load
* 2 x 50 kg Army Type 94 GPHE bombs (100 kg total)
* 2 x 250 kg Army Type 92 GPHE bombs (500 kg total)

== Usage in battles ==


'''Realistic Battles'''

The Ki-84 ko is a very good multi-purpose fighter, its capable of energy fighting and sustained dog fighting making it a menace to face with few enemies matching it, it takes a rather skilled pilot to shake these off as they have great turn fighting capabilities, good climb rate and a decent top speed for their BR.

It is important to remember that when uptiered, you will be fighting aircraft such as the [[Spitfire F Mk 22]], which is faster both in a straight line and in a shallow or steep dive, the best way to reliable deal with this threat is to coax your enemy into a rolling scissors or sustained dog fight as the Spitfire F Mk 22 does not have a faster turn rate than the Ki-84 ko, alternatively if they do not dog fight and they are above you, you can force an over-shoot with some defensive flying and catch the Spitfire either as it passes or when it starts to go back up into its climb thanks to the Ki-84 ko's good climb rate.

The Ki-84 ko is not very well armoured at all and should avoid any head on engagements or well defended aircraft such as [[B-24D-25-CO|B-24s]] as it is rather fragile to enemy fire. The weaponry isn't spectacular either and may require a bit of practice as they are rather lacklustre compared to other planes you will fight.

As a Ki-84 pilot your safest bet is to climb above your opponents and pick and choose your battles, often a good strategy to use is to hunt down the highest altitude enemies and pick them off one by one, remember not to waste all the altitude you have obtained as altitude is your friend in the Ki-84, whether you prefer Boom and Zoom or Dogfighting, the Ki-84 ko is sure to please you.

'''Simulator Battles'''

In Simulator, the Ki-84 is overall a decent plane to fly. It enjoys lovely visibility towards the rear, sides, above, and over the nose, giving the pilot great situational awareness. It has nice handling, good climb rate, great speed and acceleration. Armament-wise, the guns have enough fire rate to put quite a few projectiles into the target in one pass. However the Ki-84's disadvantages are the limited damage, rudder efficiency at high speeds, the rather poor roll rate, and the compass at the front-right of the gunsight that can obstruct your view. This aircraft can be used in BnZ fighting, turn fighting, intercepting (to some extent) and some ground pounding.

Before taking off, bring at least 30 minutes of fuel for longer patrol time. Set the convergence to around 250 m since your weapons have low velocity, therefore needing more precise aim at longer range. While your Ki-84 roars down the runway, you will notice that it shifts severely to the left, thus you must put rudder input to the right to taxi straight. As with other Ki series aircraft, only elevator trim is available, so when the stick is at its deadzone, the Ki-84 will roll and yaw to the left side. Therefore you always need to pull the stick a little to the right which can get a bit annoying. Usually, trim for around -1% when cruising around 470 km/h, around -5% when diving around 600 km/h, and when fighting at around 400 km/h no negative trim is needed. When carrying the 2 x 250 kg bombload, no negative trim is needed as well. Landing characteristics are forgiving: cut throttle to make sure you are not above 350 km/h before touchdown. Deploy combat then takeoff flaps to further decelerate in preparation for extending landing gears. Extend at around 260 km/h, control your descend rate throughout. Right before touchdown, deploy landing flaps. The gears are quite sturdy. You can break until the plane reaches full stop and not worry about propeller strike.

For dogfighting, it is always safer to enter with an altitude advantage. Most dogfights in Sim happen around or below 3,000 m so the Ki-84 can easily climb up to that altitude. Once at an advantageous height, boom & zoom the enemies. The Ki-84 can easily accelerate to more than 550 km/h in a dive which is decently fast but requires more precise manoeuvres to get the correct lead, since the faster you go the smaller the shooting window is. Important note: when fighting above 550 km/h, you want to be more precise in the roll and pitch axis, since at this speed the rudder locks up severely, preventing you from making aim adjustments which negatively impacts the lead. You must pretend that your rudder doesn't exist and fully rely on the ailerons and elevators to lead. A successful pass will not usually cripple the enemy given the projectiles' lacklustre damage, so multiple attacks are needed to destroy one plane. Aside from BnZ, the Ki-84 is also excellent at turn fighting - with the appropriate opponent, of course. Except a few dedicated turn fighters, the Ki-84 can out-turn and get on most opponents' tail with combat/takeoff flaps deployed, and can sustain its turning ability throughout the fight. The Ki-84's stable handling allows you to pull some tight manoeuvres, so don't worry too much about flat spins. If you become a prey, try some defensive manoeuvres like barrel rolls or disengage by diving steeply towards a nearby friendly airfield. Note that the Ki-84's roll rate is very average so avoid manoeuvres like scissors.

When performing the "destroy enemy surveillance aircraft/attackers/bombers" task, it is crucial to constantly evade the turrets. If it is a bomber/attacker with decent defensive firepower or robust protection, then you might want to disengage after some attempts if you don't want to die. Pay special attention to any plane equipped with M2 Browning MG, they can critically damage the Ki-84 especially on the engine, fuel tanks, and pilot which can always lead to a later crash. Before attacking try to get an altitude advantage and perform deflection shots. To maximise the damage it is better to aim for their wings and engines, as the fuselage usually soaks up quite some bullets. Only fire when the bomber passes in front of your guns. This short window is not enough to cripple a twin-engine aircraft given the slow velocity, light projectiles and low one-second burst mass. However sometimes it only takes one bullet to set the target aflame. DO NOT follow behind a bomber's 6 unless you are sure that its tail gunners are unconscious. Chasing behind a bomber makes yourself pretty much stationary for the tail gunners, and you will be showered with bullets.

For ground pounding, the best loadout is the 2 x 250 kg bombs. With an extra 500 kg of weight attached outside, the Ki-84 handles much clumsier during take offs, especially on the roll axis. Longer distance is needed before lifting off. It is quite easy to drop bombs accurately with a Ki-84 because this aircraft is able to quickly accelerate above 550 km/h in a dive, the bombs will travel an almost straight line towards the target, therefore you can aim the gunsight directly at the target and expect the bombs to land very close. After bombs away, immediately pull up. The 2 MGs perform well in killing trucks, AA guns and artilleries as they have plenty of ammo, but avoid wasting cannon shells. However, constantly watch your surrounding, especially your high 6 for any incoming enemies.

'''Enemies worth noting:'''

* [[Me 264]]: The Me 264 is armed with large calibre MG and cannons all over it, therefore tailing a 264 is basically suicide unless all of their gunners are knocked out. You can treat the 264 almost like a B-29 or B-17 as they are very similar in both design and defensive capabilities. It is best to head-on the 264 if you can as you can easily knock out the pilots due to its glazed nose while also taking minimal damage. However the bomber lacks a ventral turret on its belly, making it easy to deal damage from below, but be wary of the downwards facing rear 20 mm cannon near the tail. The safest way to attack is from a higher altitude, dive at an oblique angle and focus fire on the wings and nose. Never engage if you have no altitude advantage. Looking somewhat similar to a B-17, an Me 264 has huge back-swept wings with 2 engines on each, and a H-tail which differentiates it from a B-17/B-29.
* [[Yak-3 (Family)|Yak-3]]: this is a capable dogfighter or BnZ fighter that can be a huge threat. Although its firepower is not deadly, it can still critically damage a Ki-84. It is able to fly or dive at similar speeds, and can even engage a turn fight with a Ki-84 that is using takeoff flaps. The Yak-3 has a straight dorsal line housing an inline engine, a bubble canopy with a huge cooling intake sticking out the belly, and its symbolic, triangular wings.
* [[A6M (Family)|A6M]], [[Spitfire (Family)|Spitfire]], etc: If you see these turn fighters on your tail try outrunning them by diving at around -40 degrees. The Ki-84 still remains responsive handling at 600 km/h, but its speed retention is not the best, meaning it will start to lose speed quickly and the enemy might catch up. If you are near a friendly airfield, great. If not, then hope for the best and run towards the friendly side. A Spitfire also has an uncurved dorsal outline and large, elliptical wings. A Zero has a radial engine that's usually painted black, rounded wingtips and stabiliser tips followed by a pointy tail.
* [[Ju 288 C]]: this is a very common bomber in air RB. Their tactics generally fall into two styles: shallow dive bombing and conventional climbing. For the ones that shallow dive towards a bomb base at the start of the match, think twice before engaging. The Ju 288 is very fast for a bomber, being able to reach >500 km/h in a shallow dive which makes it quite hard for an attacker to BnZ it, as it will be slow to catch up to it, giving it long enough time to shoot back. The Ki-84 locks up past 550 km/h, plus the mediocre damage, it is best to leave it for heavy-punching teammates. As for the Ju 288 that climb, do not engage if you have no altitude advantage. It has numerous guns with great downward coverage, posing a big threat to the fragile Ki-84.

=== Manual Engine Control ===
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="7" | MEC elements
|-
! rowspan="2" | Mixer
! rowspan="2" | Pitch
! colspan="3" | Radiator
! rowspan="2" | Supercharger
! rowspan="2" | Turbocharger
|-
! Oil !! Water !! Type
|-
| Controllable || Controllable Not auto controlled || Controllable Not auto controlled || Controllable Not auto controlled || Separate || Controllable 2 gears || Not controllable
|-
|}

=== Pros and cons ===


'''Pros:'''

* Incredible rate of climb compared to other fighters such as the [[Ki-61 (Family)|Ki-61 series]] and the [[A7M2]]
* Effective top speed and energy retention allowing for the effective use of "boom and zoom" tactics
* Great acceleration allowing speed to be regained quickly after duels
* Reasonable performance at high altitude
* Much better dive speed than the earlier Ki-61 series
* Good manoeuvrability at lower speeds
* Jack of all trades: nimble yet quick while having a good degree of energy retention, allows this fighter to hold its own against any fighter that it may encounter
* Good energy retention
* Thanks to its lack of canopy frames, a clear all-round canopy view especially over the nose gives it a huge advantage in simulator.
* Center of mass is behind main landing gears, allowing it to break continuously until it stops. Does not need to worry about propeller strike
* Engine cools down fairly quickly when overheated

'''Cons:'''

* Lower maximum dive speed than its American counterparts such as F-82
* The "jack of all trades, master of none" character of this aircraft makes it difficult to play as pilots will need to adapt their play-style to counter specific aircraft that they are facing, subsequently requiring a fair degree of knowledge over the strengths and weaknesses of each aircraft that they will encounter
* Unspectacular weaponry
* Somewhat vulnerable to damage
* Reasonably slow roll-rate causing this fighter to be vulnerable against Japanese fighters or the Fw 190's which are the typical opponents
* Severe lock-up of the rudder above 500 km/h renders dive bombing or high speed boom and zoom less effective
* Elevator locks up at high speeds

== History ==
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== Media ==


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{{Youtube-gallery|F9FL6xGoSv0|'''Ki-84 Otsu - Nippon All Rounder''' - ''AdamTheEnginerd''|6aL7priUygY|'''Ki-84 ko Hayate - One of the best all around fighters''' - ''Green Fury''}}

== See also ==
''Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:''

* ''reference to the series of the aircraft;''
* ''links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.''

== External links ==


* [https://forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/111031-nakajima-ki-84-i-ko/ Official data sheet - more details about the performance]

{{AirManufacturer Nakajima}}
{{Japan fighters}}

J2M5

2022-12-09T23:19:15Z

U21187496: /* Pros and cons */ Adjusted according to the present, some data was wrong, some informations were just out-dated. This one was written is based on plane performance being at 5.7.

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== Description ==

The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a rank {{Specs|rank}} Japanese fighter {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update 1.51 "Cold Steel"]].

== General info ==
=== Flight performance ===
{{Specs-Avia-Flight}}


{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="70%"
! rowspan="2" | Characteristics
! colspan="2" | Max Speed (km/h at 6,580 m)
! rowspan="2" | Max altitude (metres)
! colspan="2" | Turn time (seconds)
! colspan="2" | Rate of climb (metres/second)
! rowspan="2" | Take-off run (metres)
|-
! AB !! RB !! AB !! RB !! AB !! RB
|-
! Stock
| 590 || 571 || rowspan="2" | {{Specs|ceiling}} || 20.0 || 20.6 || 13.0 || 13.0 || rowspan="2" | 300
|-
! Upgraded
|646||615||18.5||19.0||23.9||17.5
|-
|}

==== Details ====
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="50%"
|-
! colspan="5" | Features
|-
! Combat flaps !! Take-off flaps !! Landing flaps !! Air brakes !! Arrestor gear
|-
| ✓ || ✓ || ✓ || X || X 
|-
|}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="50%"
|-
! colspan="7" | Limits
|-
! rowspan="2" | Wings (km/h)
! rowspan="2" | Gear (km/h)
! colspan="3" | Flaps (km/h)
! colspan="2" | Max Static G
|-
! Combat !! Take-off !! Landing !! + !! -
|-
| {{Specs|destruction|body}} || {{Specs|destruction|gear}} || 488 || 454 || 280 || ~12 || ~9
|-
|}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="4" | Optimal velocities (km/h)
|-
! Ailerons !! Rudder !! Elevators !! Radiator
|-
| < 390 || < 400 || < 420 || > 324
|-
|}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="3" | Compressor (RB/SB)
|-
! colspan="3" | Setting 1
|-
! Optimal altitude
! 100% Engine power
! WEP Engine power
|-
| 2,800 m || 1,510 hp || 1,812 hp
|-
! colspan="3" | Setting 2
|-
! Optimal altitude
! 100% Engine power
! WEP Engine power
|-
| 6,800 m || 1,450 hp || 1,740 hp
|-
! colspan="3" | Setting 3
|-
! Optimal altitude
! 100% Engine power
! WEP Engine power
|-
| 7,200 m || 1,400 hp || 1,680 hp
|-
|}

=== Survivability and armour ===
{{Specs-Avia-Armour}}


* 70 mm Bulletproof glass - Armoured windscreen
* 8 mm Steel - Armour plate in pilot's headrest

=== Modifications and economy ===
{{Specs-Economy}}

Unlocking all performance modules should be a Raiden pilot's first concern, as the default belts for all weapons are workable. After that, go for the weapon belts, as these make more targets possible (ground units).

== Armaments ==
{{Specs-Avia-Armaments}}
=== Offensive armament ===
{{Specs-Avia-Offensive}}

{{main|Type 99 Model 1 (20 mm)|Type 99 Model 2 (20 mm)}}

The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' is armed with:

* 2 x 20 mm Type 99 Model 2 cannons, wing-mounted (210 rpg = 420 total)
* 2 x 20 mm Type 99 Model 1 cannons, wing-mounted (190 rpg = 380 total)

=== Suspended armament ===
{{Specs-Avia-Suspended}}

{{main|Navy Type 97 Number 6 (60 kg)}}

The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' can be outfitted with the following ordnance:

* Without load
* 2 x 60 kg Navy Type 97 Number 6 bombs (120 kg total)

== Usage in battles ==

Although a stubby and small aircraft, the Mitsubishi J2M Raiden can be considered one of the best Japanese fighters. Wielding four 20 mm cannons, this aircraft is more than capable of dealing with heavy damage. However, the main advantage the Raiden has over its Allied counterparts is its climb rate. In Realistic Battles, the J2M5 can climb to higher altitudes very quickly, especially when given an air start. This facet of the Raiden's performance is particularly exemplified in the J2M5, the last in-game variant of the Raiden that features the greatest performance of the series. This is partially due to its mechanically-driven supercharger which allows the J2M5 to perform at altitudes once thought impossible by Japanese engineers. Once at a high altitude, it becomes possible to choose when, where, and who the J2M5 want to fight. The J2M5's 20 mm cannons may initially seem rather lacklustre but they have a knack for snapshots or quick bursts of fire that result in a victory while manoeuvring. Generally, the J2M5 performs similarly to the early [[Fw 190 (Family)|Fw 190 A variants]], having a deadly armament, good roll rate, low top speed, but higher climb rate. The J2M5 differs from this rule slightly as it was built for speed and high-altitude performance. The Raiden is best used as an energy fighter - instead of "turning and burning", or losing all built up speed in turns, attack enemies from a higher altitude and then regain that altitude once the attack has been delivered. The J2M5 excels at Boom & Zoom due to its high rate of climb, deadly armament, and high altitude characteristics.

Sharing this role with other "energy fighters" such as the [[Fw_190_D-13|Fw 190 D-13]] the Raiden's main downside is its lack of manoeuvrability. Similar to its earlier mentioned German counterpart, the Raiden struggles to beat enemies in turn fights, especially Spitfires. If caught in a sticky situation, the Raiden pilot may choose to dive away or seek help from teammates. Trying to fight an enemy Spitfire in a turn battle with any J2M is a terrible idea unless the enemy aircraft is damaged or many teammates are nearby. Moreover, the J2M's high-speed manoeuvrability is very poor; often, it becomes a gamble when pulling out of a high-speed dive as the Raiden's elevator authority at high speeds is lacking. The entire aircraft locks up at excess speeds of 645 KPH/400 MPH. It can be very difficult to pull out of a dive, roll, or turn when at high speeds with the J2M. The Raiden's manoeuvrability is more or less on par with its enemies in simulator battles, for the most part.

The Raiden pilot may also find themselves outclassed at extreme altitudes by aircraft such as the [[Ta_152_H-1|Ta 152]]. All these aircraft have to do to avoid the J2M5 is dive away and build up speed. Fortunately, this aircraft has a surprise - a massive ammunition pool totalling 800 rounds. With good aim and practice, it is possible to "snipe" enemies from upwards of a kilometre away.

The J2M5 wields two 20 mm Type 99 Mk. 1 cannon and two 20 mm Type 99 Mk. 2 cannons in the wings. The stock belts are particularly lacklustre for both of these weapons but since there is such a large amount of ammunition carried in both the effect is virtually negated. The "Stealth" belt has the best combination of AP/API and HEF to shred enemy aircraft, and are recommended for those who do not need a tracer shell to aim. Alternatively, for those not used to IJN 20 mm, the "Universal" belt is the best bet. The "Tracers" belt is filled with HEF-T shells, but they only contain half of the power of a standard HEF and can give away the plane's position.

Overall, the Raiden is best used as a surprise attack, high altitude, high damage output fighter. Where it lacks in the manoeuvrability category, it makes up for in armament and rate of climb. The J2M5 also has improved cockpit visibility over the [[J2M2]] and [[J2M3]] variants.

For ground attack, the J2M5 can equip two 60 kg bombs under the wings. While not the biggest, these bombs can help a team win a match, especially in arcade battles. The J2M5 can also wield armour-piercing ground targets ammunition for its 20 mm cannons, although 21 mm of penetration is nothing to boast about and should be ignored, unless targeting armoured personal carriers (APC) or similar armoured cars.

=== Manual Engine Control ===
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="7" | MEC elements
|-
! rowspan="2" | Mixer
! rowspan="2" | Pitch
! colspan="3" | Radiator
! rowspan="2" | Supercharger
! rowspan="2" | Turbocharger
|-
! Oil !! Water !! Type
|-
| Controllable || Controllable Not auto controlled || Controllable Not auto controlled || Controllable Not auto controlled || Separate || Controllable 3 gears || Not controllable
|-
|}

=== Pros and cons ===


'''Pros:'''

* Large ammunition pool
* Large 70 mm bullet proof glass mounted at 42 degrees
* Good roll rate at lower speeds
* Good turn performance at lower speeds with full use of flaps
* Robust engine, won't give up to quickly in case of oil leak.
* Improved cockpit visibility, sight was placed higher improving view of what is under-nose.

'''Cons:'''

* Very poor high-speed performance
* Very slow in comparison to your foes and allies.
* Bad high altitude performance (7000 meters and above)
* Prone to engine and fuel fires
* Doesn't turn well, this can lead to a "culture shock" among people used to carelessly out-turning all their foes in prior planes.
* Elevator doesn't respond well, especially at high speeds
* Lack of armour around fuel tanks or engine, lack of armoured pilot seat.
* Differing muzzle velocities between the two marks of the Type 99 cannon on the J2M5 will require different leads for each to hit

== History ==
{{main|J2M (Family)|l1=History of the J2M}}
Nearing the end of the war, the focus of the J2Ms was shifted towards even more local interceptors as requested at a faster approach. With the J2M5, Raiden Model 33's a new and last engine revision was made, the Kasei 26a engine with a mechanically driven supercharger. This allowed the Model 33 to get higher speeds at higher altitudes compared to that of the [[J2M4 Kai|J2M4, Model 32]] at the cost of total range which was a sacrifice that was required as American bombers got closer and closer to the mainland.

Within the Model 33 there has been several prototype variants and armament configurations of only one becoming a production line variant, the J2M5a, Raiden Model 33 Ko which had four 20 mm Type 99 Model 2 cannons.

One other of these variants, the [[J2M5 30mm|J2M5 with Type 5 30 mm's]], which didn't make it to the production line, as by the time, bombers got through and bombed the Japanese logistics from December 1944 onward, which took its toll on the aircraft production overall.

A direct hit on the Mitsubishi aircraft plant caused the complete loss of airframes, machine tools, and jigs and eventually halted production. Production generally suffered less from direct hits on factories, which were rare, but from attacks on suppliers and consequent shortages of material and construction tools.

== Media ==


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;Videos
{{Youtube-gallery|KqLoa0NIpzE|'''The Shooting Range #178''' - ''Pages of History'' section at 04:36 discusses the J2M "Raiden".}}

== See also ==
''Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:''

* ''reference to the series of the aircraft;''
* ''links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.''

== External links ==


* [https://forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/249893-mitsubishi-j2m5/ Official data sheet - more details about the performance]

{{AirManufacturer Mitsubishi}}
{{Japan fighters}}

Ki-87

2022-12-04T20:42:52Z

U21187496: /* Manual Engine Control */ Some changes/updates to what i wrote before

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== Description ==

[[File:Ki87 side view.png|thumb|The majestic and hard to master Ki-87]]
The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a premium rank {{Specs|rank}} Japanese fighter {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update 1.63 "Desert Hunters"]]. Originally a pack vehicle, it was discontinued from the store after the [[wt:en/news/5611-shop-summer-sale-independence-day-en|2018 Independence Day Sale]], but was brought back for [[wt:en/news/6442-special-war-thunder-reaches-its-7th-year-en|War Thunder's 7th Anniversary]] as a premium purchasable in-game for 6,090 Golden Eagles {{ge}}.

The Ki-87 feels similar to a Japanese P-47. It has poor energy retention in very sharp turns, a lacklustre roll rate, and a sluggish feel. The Ki-87 has issues with overheating on WEP, and you'll need to use manual engine control to operate this plane at its best. However, all these flaws mean nothing to an experienced pilot, as the Ki-87 has the most fearsome armament of the super props. The cannons have excellent velocity, and usually one shot everything, and bombers fear you like the plague. The Ki-87 can reach amazing speeds in dives, and you can use tactics to force head-ons with many opponents.
[[File:Ki87 firesguns.png|thumb|The Ki-87's powerful armament consists of 2 x 20 mm cannons by the engine and 2 x 30 mm mounted in the wings]]
The Ki-87 makes use of a turbo-supercharger, meaning that it won't suffocate as much at high altitudes, so you can keep your engagements high. Planes like the Yak-3, F4U Corsair, and Bf 109 will be outclassed by the Ki-87 because of their poor high altitude performance. It is important to note that the turbo supercharger is not controlled by manual engine controls, so you won't need to worry about adjusting your supercharger gear or turbocharger settings.

Using WEP, the Ki-87 is able to climb to just over 5,500 m in five minutes, a strong climb rate. Bombers spawn in at 3,000 m so you can quickly climb above for positional advantage for booming and zooming. If the Ki-87 retains momentum from the dive and engages the targets, it will be able to climb back up to the operational altitude it was before engaging the enemy. It is recommended to take the minimum load of fuel, set your guns targeting to 500 m and turn on vertical targeting. You should run the tracer belts for your 30 mm cannons and the universal belt for your 20 mm cannons.

For landings, slow to at least 300 km/h (180 mph) before dropping the main gear and 250 km/h for flaps. Ideally, be about 50 m in altitude at the end of the runway and hold 200 km/h until touchdown.

== General info ==
=== Flight performance ===
[[File:Ki87 turbocharger.png|thumb|The Ki-87's turbocharger, used at high altitudes to bomber intercept]]
{{Specs-Avia-Flight}}

The flight performance feels slow and sluggish, yet powerful. The turning and energy retention is not good either. This plane also has overheating issues. to solve performance issues, it's always best to go for a side climb, especially when in uptiers! The plane dives insanely well. The turbo supercharger will keep the plane's performance up while at altitudes above 5,000 metres.

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="70%"
! rowspan="2" | Characteristics
! colspan="2" | Max Speed (km/h at 10,000 m)
! rowspan="2" | Max altitude (metres)
! colspan="2" | Turn time (seconds)
! colspan="2" | Rate of climb (metres/second)
! rowspan="2" | Take-off run (metres)
|-
! AB !! RB !! AB !! RB !! AB !! RB
|-
! Stock
| 684 || 664 || rowspan="2" | {{Specs|ceiling}} || 23.1 || 23.9 || 11.6 || 11.6 || rowspan="2" | 370
|-
! Upgraded
| 739 || 707 || 21.6 || 22.0 || 23.0 || 15.0
|-
|}

==== Details ====
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="50%"
|-
! colspan="5" | Features
|-
! Combat flaps !! Take-off flaps !! Landing flaps !! Air brakes !! Arrestor gear
|-
| ✓ || ✓ || ✓ || X || X 
|-
|}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="50%"
|-
! colspan="7" | Limits
|-
! rowspan="2" | Wings (km/h)
! rowspan="2" | Gear (km/h)
! colspan="3" | Flaps (km/h)
! colspan="2" | Max Static G
|-
! Combat !! Take-off !! Landing !! + !! -
|-
| {{Specs|destruction|body}} || {{Specs|destruction|gear}} || 457 || 428 || 280 || ~13 || ~6
|-
|}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="4" | Optimal velocities (km/h)
|-
! Ailerons !! Rudder !! Elevators !! Radiator
|-
| < 450 || < 450 || < 460 || > 324
|-
|}

[[File:Ki87 insidelooping.png|thumb|Ki-87 chases down an allied fighter]]

=== Survivability and armour ===
{{Specs-Avia-Armour}}


* 70 mm Bulletproof glass in cockpit front.
* 16 mm Steel plate behind the pilot.

=== Modifications and economy ===
{{Specs-Economy}}

== Armaments ==
{{Specs-Avia-Armaments}}
=== Offensive armament ===
{{Specs-Avia-Offensive}}

[[File:Ki87 scenic.png|thumb|Ki-87's guns do work on an enemy Bearcat]]
{{main|Ho-155 (30 mm)|Ho-5 (20 mm)}}

The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' is armed with:

* 2 x 30 mm Ho-155 cannons, wing-mounted (150 rpg = 300 total)
* 2 x 20 mm Ho-5 cannons, wing-mounted (150 rpg = 300 total)

Japanese rank IV aircraft are typically armed with a respectable array of guns, and the Ki-87 is no exception. Although the 20 mm Ho-5s are nothing to write home about, the 30 mm cannons are some of the most feared, respected and deadly weapons in the entire game. When armed with the Tracer belt, the Japanese 30 mm cannons have a muzzle velocity that surpasses even the M2 and M3 Browning .50 cal HMGs at a staggering 920 m/s, and when combined with the high explosive filler and large calibre, these beasts will make short work of any aircraft that's unfortunate enough to end up in their crosshairs.

The usual issue with 30 mm cannons on WW2-era propeller planes - that being their lack of sufficient ammunition capacity - is notably absent on the Ki-87, which mounts 150 round per gun instead of the usual 60 seen on other aircraft like the [[Ki-84 hei]] and [[J7W1]]. Although this increased ammunition capacity is indeed wonderful, the pilot should still take care to not be too trigger happy, as the exceptional ballistics of the cannons will prevent the need to waste copious amounts of bullets on a single target, increasing the endurance of the aircraft in the hands of a patient pilot.

=== Suspended armament ===
{{Specs-Avia-Suspended}}

[[File:Ki87 incoming.png|thumb|The guns on the Ki-87 do quite some damage to soft ground targets. The Ki-87 can also carry an additional 250 kg bomb]]
{{main|Army Type 94 GPHE (50 kg)|Army Type 92 GPHE (250 kg)}}

The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' can be outfitted with the following ordnance:

* Without load
* 1 x 50 kg Army Type 94 GPHE bomb (50 kg total)
* 1 x 250 kg Army Type 92 GPHE bomb (250 kg total)

== Usage in battles ==

Unlike the usual Japanese low-altitude and highly manoeuvrable fighter aircraft, the Ki-87 is a high-altitude bomber interceptor with mediocre speed and climb rate but less impressive agility. Featuring something relatively new for a Japanese fighter, the Ki-87 has a notably visible turbo-supercharger to boost its high altitude performance at the cost of aircraft weight and size. As such, it cannot be played like most other aircraft from the Japanese tree, but rather as a reserved Boom-&-Zoom that can abuse its brutal acceleration in a dive to pick off unwary victims.
[[File:Ki87 onairfieldd.png|thumb|The Ki-87 on an airfield at Midway]]
For engaging the enemy, The Ki-87 is best at boom-and-zoom tactics. Sideclimb to around 6,000 m and fly over enemy formations, once in position roll the plane to target, maintain coordinated control and correct rudder as at that altitude it is very easy to stall. Descend fast but not so much that the controls get sluggish. Once lined up and in range fire a short burst, the very heavy armament will rip the enemy plane apart; even evasive countermeasures will be insufficient for a properly executed Boom & Zoom.

If no bombers are present, then you might have issues engaging enemy fighters. The Ki-87 can only do a 21 m/s climb at 17 degrees, which makes it vulnerable to being outclimbed by nearly everything. As such, you'll need to side climb and then engage from the side. Do not try to turn with anything.

Against heavily armed aircraft such as the B-17, B-24, and B-29, and other heavy bombers, climb at least 600 m above them use slashing boom and zoom tactic firing short bursts, once the bullets hit the target, fire longer busts then jump back up. Ideally you should aim for large critical parts such as the wings and tail plane. The cannons on the Ki-87 will make short work of essential components and being substantial offer best chance of hitting. Never attack behind and at nearly same speed as you become a perfect target for multiple weapons. The Ki-87's fuel tanks are somewhat easy to ignite, and you won't last long if they do.
[[File:Ki87 gunview.png|thumb|Ki-87 Boom and Zooms a Bearcat]]

=== Tactics to Win With ===

* '''Force head-ons''': The Ki-87 can't energy fight or turn fight with any props (save [[Ta 152 C-3]] and [[P-47M-1-RE]]). It will be outclassed. The only time you should ever turn fight is if the enemy is crippled or in a low energy state. To deal with fighters that are higher than you, you need to step up and force a head-on. Most likely, Allied players will take the head-on. Your guns' good velocity should be enough to kill them. Remember to pull off early, as even a quick burst can kill you. If the enemy is higher than you and appears to engage, dive down. The enemy will most likely level out. Keep your speed high, as this will allow you to pull up and engage in vertical head-ons. This is your last chance to score the kill, as the enemy will now be at an advantage.
* '''Keep your speed high''': You need to worry about speed and altitude. DO NOT go for ground targets, as you will be an easy target for enemy fighters (a low and slow Ki-87 is as good as dead). Instead, keep your speed and altitude high, and have spatial awareness. Know where your enemy is.

=== Manual Engine Control ===
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="7" | MEC elements
|-
! rowspan="2" | Mixer
! rowspan="2" | Pitch
! colspan="3" | Radiator
! rowspan="2" | Supercharger
! rowspan="2" | Turbocharger
|-
! Oil !! Water !! Type
|-
| Controllable || Controllable Not auto controlled || Controllable Not auto controlled || Controllable Not auto controlled || Separate || Not controllable 1 gear || Auto controlled
|-
|}
[[File:Ki87 blueairfield.png|thumb|A Ki-87 sporting a blue camouflage]]
You'll need to keep the prop pitch at 98-99% while in steeper climb, and adjust it to 75% when traveling above 700 km/h. The radiators should be kept at 100% (if prop pitch 90% or above) while on WEP.

After you reach desired altitude, and you are about to dive on someone or level out (15-10 degrees), change propeller pitch to 75% and radiator to 10% or lower, if you want to conserve as much energy as possible.

Change prop pitch back to 100% if you end up in vertical /or/ stall fight (but only after you become slower than 350km/h)

=== Pros and cons ===

[[File:Ki87 inflight.png|thumb|Ki-87 over the Pacific]]

'''Pros:'''

* Excels in high-altitude bomber intercepting
* Great gun velocity, you can engage bombers from over 1 km away
* Powerful armament consisting of 2 x 30 mm cannons and 2 x 20 mm cannons
* No wing-mounted fuel tanks
* 30 mm cannons have a huge amount of ammo
* High red-line speed of 840 km/h
* Fast at diving
* Can equip bombs, although it will affect the aircraft's speed and turning time

'''Cons:'''

* Not as manoeuvrable as other Japanese aircraft, feels very sluggish
* Really bad energy retention, especially when coming out of a dive
* Fuselage fuel-tank is susceptible to fire
* Overheats extremely quickly, it's advisable to open the radiators using Manual Engine Controls
* Mediocre climb rate
* No interceptor spawn
* 30 mm HEF-T has only a maximum penetration of 2 mm
* Begins to lock up at around 700 km/h (435 mph)

[[File:Ki87 bluedive.png|thumb|The Ki-87 pulls out of a steep dive]]

== History ==

Improved metallurgy and engineering in the 1930s saw a massive leap in aircraft performance, especially the once bulky, boxy, lumbering bombers reborn as sleek and sexy machines that left old fashioned wooden fighters in its vapour trail. It was not long before those flying rag fighters were also updated with gleaming aluminum and once again surpassed the bombers top speed. Yet bombers still had a trick up their sleeves, altitude.
[[File:Ki87 port.png|thumb|Ki-87 at the cargo port]]
Flying above 9,000 m (29,500 ft) in super cold thin air and rarefied oxygen was both a technical and physiological challenge. The long wings and large interiors of bombers offered space needed for extreme high altitude flight, example the Ju 86P/R bomber which flew above 12,000 m (40,000 ft) with impunity over England, beyond the RAFs reach for months. The B-17 and B-24 could also operate at altitudes the Bf 109 and Fw 190 had difficulty reaching.
[[File:Ki87 fromtruck.png|thumb|The Ki-87 from another angle in Cargo Port]]
Predicting the same for Japan, the military wisely ordered research into high altitude single engine fighters as early as 1942 and by 1943 work was underway on the future Nakajima Ki-87 and the alternate Tachikawa Ki-94. At 12,000 m the air density is about 1/4 that of sea level necessitating a huge supercharged engine, but its internal "blower" needed an additional boost so a "turbo-supercharger" was added, powered by high velocity exhaust gas. This combination is exactly like the P-47 Thunderbolt has, except this time the turbo was mounted on the right side of nose on the prototypes and not in rear fuselage. High aspect-ratio wings were chosen for the thin air (compare Fw 190 with Ta 152), but with limited space to mount the dual pair of 30 mm and 20 mm cannons in an unusual step Nakajima chose a landing gear retraction like on P-40 Kittyhawk. High altitude flight is also extremely uncomfortable for the pilot so the cockpit was partially pressurized and extra tanks of oxygen installed. Pilot armour, thick bulletproof glass, self-sealing fuel tanks, and hard point for bombs were also added. Finally enough fuel for at least 2 hours flight resulted in a massive aircraft for the Japanese, well over twice the weight of the A6M2 Zero.

It was an enormous technical challenge for Japanese industry taking a long time to overcome teething issues. Japanese aircraft rarely utilized turbo-superchargers in their planes, so experience in operation was limited, and although the 90° retracting gear was a favourite design, it took Nakajima months to get it to operate correctly.

The prototype flew for the first time in April 1945 at a time when the anticipated B-29 bomber was pounding Japan, but by then it was too late. Disruption by bombing and dwindling resources prevented the second prototype from flying and attrition of what little fighter defence Japan had. Ironically, with such weak home defence, the B-29s flew much lower so they could bomb more accurately, negating the purpose of the high altitude Ki-87.

== Media ==


;Skins

* [https://live.warthunder.com/feed/camouflages/?vehicle=ki_87 Skins and camouflages for the {{PAGENAME}} from live.warthunder.com.]

;Videos
{{Youtube-gallery|4vA1mwpSG2Q|'''{{PAGENAME}} - Mr Spark Ruins The Bomber Hunting Party''' - ''Napalmratte''|xklKT8qdvPo|'''The Shooting Range #20''' - ''Metal Beasts'' section at 00:42 discusses the Ki-87.|eaefVIIZo78|'''Premium Review: {{PAGENAME}} [Headon Monster]''' - ''Jengar''|khGg-GvfWLo|'''Japanese Thunderbolt - {{PAGENAME}} Review - 1.63''' - ''MikeGoesBoom''}}

== See also ==


;Japanese late-war Pacific fighters

* [[J2M5]]
* [[N1K2-Ja|N1K2]]
* [[Ki-84 ko]]

== External links ==


* [https://forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/330718-ki-87/ Official data sheet - more details about the performance]

{{AirManufacturer Nakajima}}
{{Japan fighters}}
{{Japan premium aircraft}}

Ki-87

2022-12-04T20:33:29Z

U21187496: /* Survivability and armour */ 16mm not 8.5mm

{{Specs-Card
|code=ki_87
|images={{Specs-Card-Image|GarageImage_{{PAGENAME}}.jpg|ArtImage_{{PAGENAME}}.png}}
|cockpit=cockpit_ki_87.jpg
}}

== Description ==

[[File:Ki87 side view.png|thumb|The majestic and hard to master Ki-87]]
The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a premium rank {{Specs|rank}} Japanese fighter {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update 1.63 "Desert Hunters"]]. Originally a pack vehicle, it was discontinued from the store after the [[wt:en/news/5611-shop-summer-sale-independence-day-en|2018 Independence Day Sale]], but was brought back for [[wt:en/news/6442-special-war-thunder-reaches-its-7th-year-en|War Thunder's 7th Anniversary]] as a premium purchasable in-game for 6,090 Golden Eagles {{ge}}.

The Ki-87 feels similar to a Japanese P-47. It has poor energy retention in very sharp turns, a lacklustre roll rate, and a sluggish feel. The Ki-87 has issues with overheating on WEP, and you'll need to use manual engine control to operate this plane at its best. However, all these flaws mean nothing to an experienced pilot, as the Ki-87 has the most fearsome armament of the super props. The cannons have excellent velocity, and usually one shot everything, and bombers fear you like the plague. The Ki-87 can reach amazing speeds in dives, and you can use tactics to force head-ons with many opponents.
[[File:Ki87 firesguns.png|thumb|The Ki-87's powerful armament consists of 2 x 20 mm cannons by the engine and 2 x 30 mm mounted in the wings]]
The Ki-87 makes use of a turbo-supercharger, meaning that it won't suffocate as much at high altitudes, so you can keep your engagements high. Planes like the Yak-3, F4U Corsair, and Bf 109 will be outclassed by the Ki-87 because of their poor high altitude performance. It is important to note that the turbo supercharger is not controlled by manual engine controls, so you won't need to worry about adjusting your supercharger gear or turbocharger settings.

Using WEP, the Ki-87 is able to climb to just over 5,500 m in five minutes, a strong climb rate. Bombers spawn in at 3,000 m so you can quickly climb above for positional advantage for booming and zooming. If the Ki-87 retains momentum from the dive and engages the targets, it will be able to climb back up to the operational altitude it was before engaging the enemy. It is recommended to take the minimum load of fuel, set your guns targeting to 500 m and turn on vertical targeting. You should run the tracer belts for your 30 mm cannons and the universal belt for your 20 mm cannons.

For landings, slow to at least 300 km/h (180 mph) before dropping the main gear and 250 km/h for flaps. Ideally, be about 50 m in altitude at the end of the runway and hold 200 km/h until touchdown.

== General info ==
=== Flight performance ===
[[File:Ki87 turbocharger.png|thumb|The Ki-87's turbocharger, used at high altitudes to bomber intercept]]
{{Specs-Avia-Flight}}

The flight performance feels slow and sluggish, yet powerful. The turning and energy retention is not good either. This plane also has overheating issues. to solve performance issues, it's always best to go for a side climb, especially when in uptiers! The plane dives insanely well. The turbo supercharger will keep the plane's performance up while at altitudes above 5,000 metres.

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="70%"
! rowspan="2" | Characteristics
! colspan="2" | Max Speed (km/h at 10,000 m)
! rowspan="2" | Max altitude (metres)
! colspan="2" | Turn time (seconds)
! colspan="2" | Rate of climb (metres/second)
! rowspan="2" | Take-off run (metres)
|-
! AB !! RB !! AB !! RB !! AB !! RB
|-
! Stock
| 684 || 664 || rowspan="2" | {{Specs|ceiling}} || 23.1 || 23.9 || 11.6 || 11.6 || rowspan="2" | 370
|-
! Upgraded
| 739 || 707 || 21.6 || 22.0 || 23.0 || 15.0
|-
|}

==== Details ====
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="50%"
|-
! colspan="5" | Features
|-
! Combat flaps !! Take-off flaps !! Landing flaps !! Air brakes !! Arrestor gear
|-
| ✓ || ✓ || ✓ || X || X 
|-
|}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="50%"
|-
! colspan="7" | Limits
|-
! rowspan="2" | Wings (km/h)
! rowspan="2" | Gear (km/h)
! colspan="3" | Flaps (km/h)
! colspan="2" | Max Static G
|-
! Combat !! Take-off !! Landing !! + !! -
|-
| {{Specs|destruction|body}} || {{Specs|destruction|gear}} || 457 || 428 || 280 || ~13 || ~6
|-
|}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="4" | Optimal velocities (km/h)
|-
! Ailerons !! Rudder !! Elevators !! Radiator
|-
| < 450 || < 450 || < 460 || > 324
|-
|}

[[File:Ki87 insidelooping.png|thumb|Ki-87 chases down an allied fighter]]

=== Survivability and armour ===
{{Specs-Avia-Armour}}


* 70 mm Bulletproof glass in cockpit front.
* 16 mm Steel plate behind the pilot.

=== Modifications and economy ===
{{Specs-Economy}}

== Armaments ==
{{Specs-Avia-Armaments}}
=== Offensive armament ===
{{Specs-Avia-Offensive}}

[[File:Ki87 scenic.png|thumb|Ki-87's guns do work on an enemy Bearcat]]
{{main|Ho-155 (30 mm)|Ho-5 (20 mm)}}

The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' is armed with:

* 2 x 30 mm Ho-155 cannons, wing-mounted (150 rpg = 300 total)
* 2 x 20 mm Ho-5 cannons, wing-mounted (150 rpg = 300 total)

Japanese rank IV aircraft are typically armed with a respectable array of guns, and the Ki-87 is no exception. Although the 20 mm Ho-5s are nothing to write home about, the 30 mm cannons are some of the most feared, respected and deadly weapons in the entire game. When armed with the Tracer belt, the Japanese 30 mm cannons have a muzzle velocity that surpasses even the M2 and M3 Browning .50 cal HMGs at a staggering 920 m/s, and when combined with the high explosive filler and large calibre, these beasts will make short work of any aircraft that's unfortunate enough to end up in their crosshairs.

The usual issue with 30 mm cannons on WW2-era propeller planes - that being their lack of sufficient ammunition capacity - is notably absent on the Ki-87, which mounts 150 round per gun instead of the usual 60 seen on other aircraft like the [[Ki-84 hei]] and [[J7W1]]. Although this increased ammunition capacity is indeed wonderful, the pilot should still take care to not be too trigger happy, as the exceptional ballistics of the cannons will prevent the need to waste copious amounts of bullets on a single target, increasing the endurance of the aircraft in the hands of a patient pilot.

=== Suspended armament ===
{{Specs-Avia-Suspended}}

[[File:Ki87 incoming.png|thumb|The guns on the Ki-87 do quite some damage to soft ground targets. The Ki-87 can also carry an additional 250 kg bomb]]
{{main|Army Type 94 GPHE (50 kg)|Army Type 92 GPHE (250 kg)}}

The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' can be outfitted with the following ordnance:

* Without load
* 1 x 50 kg Army Type 94 GPHE bomb (50 kg total)
* 1 x 250 kg Army Type 92 GPHE bomb (250 kg total)

== Usage in battles ==

Unlike the usual Japanese low-altitude and highly manoeuvrable fighter aircraft, the Ki-87 is a high-altitude bomber interceptor with mediocre speed and climb rate but less impressive agility. Featuring something relatively new for a Japanese fighter, the Ki-87 has a notably visible turbo-supercharger to boost its high altitude performance at the cost of aircraft weight and size. As such, it cannot be played like most other aircraft from the Japanese tree, but rather as a reserved Boom-&-Zoom that can abuse its brutal acceleration in a dive to pick off unwary victims.
[[File:Ki87 onairfieldd.png|thumb|The Ki-87 on an airfield at Midway]]
For engaging the enemy, The Ki-87 is best at boom-and-zoom tactics. Sideclimb to around 6,000 m and fly over enemy formations, once in position roll the plane to target, maintain coordinated control and correct rudder as at that altitude it is very easy to stall. Descend fast but not so much that the controls get sluggish. Once lined up and in range fire a short burst, the very heavy armament will rip the enemy plane apart; even evasive countermeasures will be insufficient for a properly executed Boom & Zoom.

If no bombers are present, then you might have issues engaging enemy fighters. The Ki-87 can only do a 21 m/s climb at 17 degrees, which makes it vulnerable to being outclimbed by nearly everything. As such, you'll need to side climb and then engage from the side. Do not try to turn with anything.

Against heavily armed aircraft such as the B-17, B-24, and B-29, and other heavy bombers, climb at least 600 m above them use slashing boom and zoom tactic firing short bursts, once the bullets hit the target, fire longer busts then jump back up. Ideally you should aim for large critical parts such as the wings and tail plane. The cannons on the Ki-87 will make short work of essential components and being substantial offer best chance of hitting. Never attack behind and at nearly same speed as you become a perfect target for multiple weapons. The Ki-87's fuel tanks are somewhat easy to ignite, and you won't last long if they do.
[[File:Ki87 gunview.png|thumb|Ki-87 Boom and Zooms a Bearcat]]

=== Tactics to Win With ===

* '''Force head-ons''': The Ki-87 can't energy fight or turn fight with any props (save [[Ta 152 C-3]] and [[P-47M-1-RE]]). It will be outclassed. The only time you should ever turn fight is if the enemy is crippled or in a low energy state. To deal with fighters that are higher than you, you need to step up and force a head-on. Most likely, Allied players will take the head-on. Your guns' good velocity should be enough to kill them. Remember to pull off early, as even a quick burst can kill you. If the enemy is higher than you and appears to engage, dive down. The enemy will most likely level out. Keep your speed high, as this will allow you to pull up and engage in vertical head-ons. This is your last chance to score the kill, as the enemy will now be at an advantage.
* '''Keep your speed high''': You need to worry about speed and altitude. DO NOT go for ground targets, as you will be an easy target for enemy fighters (a low and slow Ki-87 is as good as dead). Instead, keep your speed and altitude high, and have spatial awareness. Know where your enemy is.

=== Manual Engine Control ===
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="7" | MEC elements
|-
! rowspan="2" | Mixer
! rowspan="2" | Pitch
! colspan="3" | Radiator
! rowspan="2" | Supercharger
! rowspan="2" | Turbocharger
|-
! Oil !! Water !! Type
|-
| Controllable || Controllable Not auto controlled || Controllable Not auto controlled || Controllable Not auto controlled || Separate || Not controllable 1 gear || Auto controlled
|-
|}
[[File:Ki87 blueairfield.png|thumb|A Ki-87 sporting a blue camouflage]]
You'll need to keep the prop pitch at 98-99% while in a climb, and adjust it to 90% when traveling above 700 km/h. The radiators should be kept at 100% while on WEP.

After you reach desired altitude, and you are about to dive on someone, change propeller pitch to 75% and radiator to 50% or lower if you want to conserve as much energy as possible.

=== Pros and cons ===

[[File:Ki87 inflight.png|thumb|Ki-87 over the Pacific]]

'''Pros:'''

* Excels in high-altitude bomber intercepting
* Great gun velocity, you can engage bombers from over 1 km away
* Powerful armament consisting of 2 x 30 mm cannons and 2 x 20 mm cannons
* No wing-mounted fuel tanks
* 30 mm cannons have a huge amount of ammo
* High red-line speed of 840 km/h
* Fast at diving
* Can equip bombs, although it will affect the aircraft's speed and turning time

'''Cons:'''

* Not as manoeuvrable as other Japanese aircraft, feels very sluggish
* Really bad energy retention, especially when coming out of a dive
* Fuselage fuel-tank is susceptible to fire
* Overheats extremely quickly, it's advisable to open the radiators using Manual Engine Controls
* Mediocre climb rate
* No interceptor spawn
* 30 mm HEF-T has only a maximum penetration of 2 mm
* Begins to lock up at around 700 km/h (435 mph)

[[File:Ki87 bluedive.png|thumb|The Ki-87 pulls out of a steep dive]]

== History ==

Improved metallurgy and engineering in the 1930s saw a massive leap in aircraft performance, especially the once bulky, boxy, lumbering bombers reborn as sleek and sexy machines that left old fashioned wooden fighters in its vapour trail. It was not long before those flying rag fighters were also updated with gleaming aluminum and once again surpassed the bombers top speed. Yet bombers still had a trick up their sleeves, altitude.
[[File:Ki87 port.png|thumb|Ki-87 at the cargo port]]
Flying above 9,000 m (29,500 ft) in super cold thin air and rarefied oxygen was both a technical and physiological challenge. The long wings and large interiors of bombers offered space needed for extreme high altitude flight, example the Ju 86P/R bomber which flew above 12,000 m (40,000 ft) with impunity over England, beyond the RAFs reach for months. The B-17 and B-24 could also operate at altitudes the Bf 109 and Fw 190 had difficulty reaching.
[[File:Ki87 fromtruck.png|thumb|The Ki-87 from another angle in Cargo Port]]
Predicting the same for Japan, the military wisely ordered research into high altitude single engine fighters as early as 1942 and by 1943 work was underway on the future Nakajima Ki-87 and the alternate Tachikawa Ki-94. At 12,000 m the air density is about 1/4 that of sea level necessitating a huge supercharged engine, but its internal "blower" needed an additional boost so a "turbo-supercharger" was added, powered by high velocity exhaust gas. This combination is exactly like the P-47 Thunderbolt has, except this time the turbo was mounted on the right side of nose on the prototypes and not in rear fuselage. High aspect-ratio wings were chosen for the thin air (compare Fw 190 with Ta 152), but with limited space to mount the dual pair of 30 mm and 20 mm cannons in an unusual step Nakajima chose a landing gear retraction like on P-40 Kittyhawk. High altitude flight is also extremely uncomfortable for the pilot so the cockpit was partially pressurized and extra tanks of oxygen installed. Pilot armour, thick bulletproof glass, self-sealing fuel tanks, and hard point for bombs were also added. Finally enough fuel for at least 2 hours flight resulted in a massive aircraft for the Japanese, well over twice the weight of the A6M2 Zero.

It was an enormous technical challenge for Japanese industry taking a long time to overcome teething issues. Japanese aircraft rarely utilized turbo-superchargers in their planes, so experience in operation was limited, and although the 90° retracting gear was a favourite design, it took Nakajima months to get it to operate correctly.

The prototype flew for the first time in April 1945 at a time when the anticipated B-29 bomber was pounding Japan, but by then it was too late. Disruption by bombing and dwindling resources prevented the second prototype from flying and attrition of what little fighter defence Japan had. Ironically, with such weak home defence, the B-29s flew much lower so they could bomb more accurately, negating the purpose of the high altitude Ki-87.

== Media ==


;Skins

* [https://live.warthunder.com/feed/camouflages/?vehicle=ki_87 Skins and camouflages for the {{PAGENAME}} from live.warthunder.com.]

;Videos
{{Youtube-gallery|4vA1mwpSG2Q|'''{{PAGENAME}} - Mr Spark Ruins The Bomber Hunting Party''' - ''Napalmratte''|xklKT8qdvPo|'''The Shooting Range #20''' - ''Metal Beasts'' section at 00:42 discusses the Ki-87.|eaefVIIZo78|'''Premium Review: {{PAGENAME}} [Headon Monster]''' - ''Jengar''|khGg-GvfWLo|'''Japanese Thunderbolt - {{PAGENAME}} Review - 1.63''' - ''MikeGoesBoom''}}

== See also ==


;Japanese late-war Pacific fighters

* [[J2M5]]
* [[N1K2-Ja|N1K2]]
* [[Ki-84 ko]]

== External links ==


* [https://forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/330718-ki-87/ Official data sheet - more details about the performance]

{{AirManufacturer Nakajima}}
{{Japan fighters}}
{{Japan premium aircraft}}

J7W1

2022-11-20T22:51:22Z

U21187496: /* Pros and cons */

{{Specs-Card
|code=j7w1
|images={{Specs-Card-Image|GarageImage_{{PAGENAME}}.jpg|ArtImage_{{PAGENAME}}.png}}
}}

== Description ==

The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a rank {{Specs|rank}} Japanese fighter {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update 1.43]].

The J7W1 Shinden is a bomber interceptor designed to make quick work of raiding bomber aircraft. It has exceptional performance at altitude, more than exceptional armament and a decent climb rate. Double the weight of a fully loaded A6M, and definitely heaps faster to make up for it. This aircraft thrives with boom and zoom, and has a great energy retention at speed due to sleek aerodynamics. Inherently less stable than a normal tail plane thanks to a rear mounted engine push thrust configuration canard design, it is known for rapid pitch angle changes, great roll rate and less drag, by design. The flap system does not work in game currently however it enhances negative G two fold, at the cost of your speed. You also miss slats on canard wing, which furthermore hampers your agility. The aircraft is very prone to fires, a single hit to the fuel tanks will result in an inextinguishable flame that will for sure be your demise.

== General info ==
=== Flight performance ===
{{Specs-Avia-Flight}}

The J7W1 Shinden has a maximum speed of 892 km/h (558 mph/485 kt) IAS (this is Vne speed - the absolute maximum speed). In a dive from service ceiling, a speed of mach 0.9 has been recorded and is sustained until IAS speed limit is reached. The aircraft can handle a max load of 11G and compresses rudder, pitch and roll at extremely high IAS speed in order of descending effect.

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="70%"
|-
! rowspan="2" |Characteristics
! colspan="2" | Max Speed (km/h at 8,500 m)
! rowspan="2" | Max altitude (meters)
! colspan="2" | Turn time (seconds)
! colspan="2" | Rate of climb (meters/second)
! rowspan="2" | Take-off run (meters)
|-
! AB !! RB !! AB !! RB !! AB !! RB
|-
!Stock
| 723 || 703 || rowspan="2" | {{Specs|ceiling}} || 31.5 || 32.2 || 15.3 || 15.3 || rowspan="2" | 650
|-
!Upgraded
| 779 || 750 || 28.6 || 30.0 || 23.0 || 18.6
|-
|}

==== Details ====
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="50%"
|-
! colspan="5" | Features
|-
! Combat flaps !! Take-off flaps !! Landing flaps !! Air brakes !! Arrestor gear
|-
| ✓ || ✓ || ✓ || X || X 
|-
|}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="50%"
|-
! colspan="7" | Limits
|-
! rowspan="2" | Wings (km/h)
! rowspan="2" | Gear (km/h)
! colspan="3" | Flaps (km/h)
! colspan="2" | Max Static G
|-
! Combat !! Take-off !! Landing !! + !! -
|-
| {{Specs|destruction|body}} || {{Specs|destruction|gear}} || 498 || 469 || 320 || ~8 || ~6
|-
|}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="4" | Optimal velocities (km/h)
|-
! Ailerons !! Rudder !! Elevators !! Radiator
|-
| < 563 || < 560 || < 560 || > 314
|-
|}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="3" | Compressor (RB/SB)
|-
! colspan="3" | Setting 1
|-
! Optimal altitude
! 100% Engine power
! WEP Engine power
|-
| 8,400 m || 1,660 hp || 1,942 hp
|-
|}
[[File:J7W1 vario over altitude.png|thumb|]]
[[File:J7w1 power - altitude envelope.png|thumb]]

=== Survivability and armour ===
{{Specs-Avia-Armour}}


* 70 mm Bulletproof glass - Armoured windscreen
* 16 mm Steel plate in the nose, in front of ammo boxes and pilot

The J7W1 is protected by armour glass (70 mm) in front of pilot and steel armour plate (16 mm) in front of pilot in between guns. It is very prone to fires, and which are difficult to extinguish. Engine snipes are common, due to the position of the engine. Wing tip damage can increase the likelyhood of unrecoverable flat spins.

=== Modifications and economy ===
{{Specs-Economy}}

== Armaments ==
{{Specs-Avia-Armaments}}
=== Offensive armament ===
{{Specs-Avia-Offensive}}

{{main|Type 5 navy (30 mm)}}

The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' is armed with:

* 4 x 30 mm Type 5 navy cannons, nose-mounted (60 rpg = 240 total)

;Muzzle velocities

* Shells: HEF-T, PT, P: 910 m/s
* Shells: HEF-I, HEF: 720 m/s
* Tracer: 910 m/s
* All other belts: Mixed shell velocities, see above.

=== Suspended armament ===
{{Specs-Avia-Suspended}}

{{main|Navy Type 97 Number 6 (60 kg)}}

The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' can be outfitted with the following ordnance:

* Without load
* 2 x 60 kg Navy Type 97 Number 6 bombs (120 kg total)
* 4 x 60 kg Navy Type 97 Number 6 bombs (240 kg total)

== Usage in battles ==


The Shinden is a quick, pusher prop aircraft that excels in keeping its energy up after diving from a high altitude. It is able to climb up to a nice altitude above its opponents and strafe enemies either with a boom-and-zoom or hit-and-run strategy. The Shinden sports four excellent 30 mm guns mounted in the nose making it infamous for its head-on capabilities as they are easy to get on target but require a bit of aim control as the guns have low muzzle velocity, as long as you keep your speed high you will become a big threat to the enemy team. The Shinden is able to outrun a myriad of aircraft at its BR with some exceptions being the [[F8F-1B]] and the [[Spitfire F Mk XIVe]] as they have more powerful engines. Enemy bombers such as the [[B-17G-60-VE]] are optimal targets as your main weapons are able to quickly rip through the bombers armour, heavy fighters such as the [[F7F-1]] or the [[Hornet Mk.III]] are targets you may often see at your altitude and make for great prey as they are large and aren't as agile as single-engine fighters. As a Shinden pilot, it is unwise to let the enemy get onto your six o'clock as you aren't likely to shake them with your poor manoeuvrability and the Shinden's engine is mounted in the rear of the plane, meaning any enemy behind you can quickly take you out of the fight just with a few hits to the engine. Like a majority of the Japanese planes, the Shinden lacks any armour to reliable stop bullets from damaging it, however there is a piece of bulletproof glass in the front of the planes cockpit that is 70 mm thick as well as a 16 mm steel plate in the nose, making head-ons a reliable way to kill enemy aircraft as you do not have to worry about enemy bullets hitting your engine. It is highly recommended to avoid participating in dogfights in the Shinden as almost any single prop fighter at its BR will be able to outturn it so it's ideal to stick to energy fighting. The Shinden also has access to 60 kg bombs that can destroy lightly-armoured targets in mixed battles.

In Simulator Battles the Shinden is one of a few planes which gain the ability to preform a "Cobra" manoeuvre and also has the ability to throttle the fuel mixture throttle down enough to kill the engine and stop most engine fires and even some fuel tank fires that it is prone to receiving. Bring the Tracer Belt in most scenarios as all the other belts have practice rounds.

=== Manual Engine Control ===
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="7" | MEC elements
|-
! rowspan="2" | Mixer
! rowspan="2" | Pitch
! colspan="3" | Radiator
! rowspan="2" | Supercharger
! rowspan="2" | Turbocharger
|-
! Oil !! Water !! Type
|-
| Controllable || Controllable Auto control available || Not controllable Not auto controlled || Controllable Auto control available || Combined || Not controllable 1 gear || Not controllable
|-
|}

=== Pros and cons ===


'''Pros:'''

* Pilot has some protection in the back from the engine
* Competitive high speed turn rate
* Good roll rate
* Amazing pitch response
* 4 x 30 mm cannons make for some great offensive firepower
* Great high speed, both, handling and dive
* Since the engine and propeller are located in the rear, it is not likely to take damage or catch fire from shots landing at its front

'''Cons:'''

* Slow sustained turn rate
* High speed rudder suffers some compression
* Pilot more exposed at the front.
* Since the engine is located in the rear, it is especially vulnerable to enemies behind it
* Shots to the front may damage its "tail" flaps
* Armament may detonate
* Fuel tanks are easily flammable and do not fully self-seal
* It's very likely that stalls will be fatal even with unscratched machine

== History ==

The J7W1 Shinden (震電, "Magnificent Lightning") was an Imperial Japanese fighter of WWII that was built near the end of the war in an attempted response to the American B-29 Superfortress bombers. The aircraft used a canard wing formation, (canard wing formation refers to how the main wings are mounted at the rear of the fuselage and smaller wings are placed at the front. Similar to the Curtiss-Wright XP-55 Ascender.) Like the Ascender, the J7W1 was never put into mass-production and was abandoned while still in the prototype stage.<ref>"Kyushu J7W1 Shinden (Magnificent Lightning)." ''National Air and Space Museum'', 18 Apr. 2019, airandspace.si.edu/collection-objects/kyushu-j7w1-shinden-magnificent-lightning.</ref>

Developed with the intention of intercepting heavy bombers, it was given 4 nose-mounted 30 mm cannons.

Development of the aircraft began in 1944, but shortages of manufacturing supplies continued to delay its development and testing and the first prototype wasn't completed until April 1945. The Navy placed high hopes in the new model and it was originally hoped that the Kyushu's Zasshonokuma factory and Nakajima's Handa plant would be able to produce over a thousand of the aircraft by 1947.

The prototype first flew on 3 August 1945 from Itazuke Air Base. The plane flew a total of three times, each time as a test flight before it was grounded permanently due to the Japanese surrender and end of the war.

Various parts of the Shinden survived the end of the war and its fuselage can be seen at the National Air and Space Museum in Washington DC.<ref>"Kyushu J7W1/2 'Shinden.'" ''Kyushu J7W1/2 - Shinden'', tanks45.tripod.com/Jets45/Histories/Shinden/Shinden.htm.</ref>

== Media ==


;Skins

* [https://live.warthunder.com/feed/camouflages/?vehicle=j7w1 Skins and camouflages for the {{PAGENAME}} from live.warthunder.com.]

{{Skin-gallery
|market|J7W1 "The Shark"|J7W1 'The Shark'.jpg|Camo "J7W1 'The Shark'"
|market|ugcitem_1000623|J7W1 '418'.png|Camo "J7W1 '418' in training livery"
}}

;Videos
{{Youtube-gallery|INb9VjLxKf0|'''Most unusual aircraft''' discusses the {{PAGENAME}} at 4:25 - ''War Thunder Official Channel''|6Cyq6xsiD70|'''(Arcade): {{PAGENAME}} Shinden - Magnificent Lightning''' - ''tx141TX''|yYMCtg6qa40|'''War Thunder Sub's Choice Ep 39: {{PAGENAME}}''' - ''Jengar''|fphmndESyNU|'''The Shooting Range #60''' - ''Pages of History'' section at 07:06 discusses the J7W1.}}

== See also ==


;Aircraft of comparable role, configuration and era

* [[XP-55]]
* [[J21 (Family)]]

== External links ==


* [[wt:en/news/4548-profile-j7w1-shinden-the-magnificent-lightning-en|[Profile] J7W1 Shinden - The magnificent lightning]]
* [https://forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/202472-kyushu-j7w1/ [Forum<nowiki>]</nowiki> Aircraft Datasheet]
* [[wikipedia:Kyushu_J7W|[Wikipedia] Kyushu J7W]]

===References===
<references />

{{AirManufacturer Kyushu}}
{{Japan fighters}}

J7W1

2022-11-20T22:46:19Z

U21187496: /* Description */ Truth

{{Specs-Card
|code=j7w1
|images={{Specs-Card-Image|GarageImage_{{PAGENAME}}.jpg|ArtImage_{{PAGENAME}}.png}}
}}

== Description ==

The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a rank {{Specs|rank}} Japanese fighter {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update 1.43]].

The J7W1 Shinden is a bomber interceptor designed to make quick work of raiding bomber aircraft. It has exceptional performance at altitude, more than exceptional armament and a decent climb rate. Double the weight of a fully loaded A6M, and definitely heaps faster to make up for it. This aircraft thrives with boom and zoom, and has a great energy retention at speed due to sleek aerodynamics. Inherently less stable than a normal tail plane thanks to a rear mounted engine push thrust configuration canard design, it is known for rapid pitch angle changes, great roll rate and less drag, by design. The flap system does not work in game currently however it enhances negative G two fold, at the cost of your speed. You also miss slats on canard wing, which furthermore hampers your agility. The aircraft is very prone to fires, a single hit to the fuel tanks will result in an inextinguishable flame that will for sure be your demise.

== General info ==
=== Flight performance ===
{{Specs-Avia-Flight}}

The J7W1 Shinden has a maximum speed of 892 km/h (558 mph/485 kt) IAS (this is Vne speed - the absolute maximum speed). In a dive from service ceiling, a speed of mach 0.9 has been recorded and is sustained until IAS speed limit is reached. The aircraft can handle a max load of 11G and compresses rudder, pitch and roll at extremely high IAS speed in order of descending effect.

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="70%"
|-
! rowspan="2" |Characteristics
! colspan="2" | Max Speed (km/h at 8,500 m)
! rowspan="2" | Max altitude (meters)
! colspan="2" | Turn time (seconds)
! colspan="2" | Rate of climb (meters/second)
! rowspan="2" | Take-off run (meters)
|-
! AB !! RB !! AB !! RB !! AB !! RB
|-
!Stock
| 723 || 703 || rowspan="2" | {{Specs|ceiling}} || 31.5 || 32.2 || 15.3 || 15.3 || rowspan="2" | 650
|-
!Upgraded
| 779 || 750 || 28.6 || 30.0 || 23.0 || 18.6
|-
|}

==== Details ====
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="50%"
|-
! colspan="5" | Features
|-
! Combat flaps !! Take-off flaps !! Landing flaps !! Air brakes !! Arrestor gear
|-
| ✓ || ✓ || ✓ || X || X 
|-
|}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="50%"
|-
! colspan="7" | Limits
|-
! rowspan="2" | Wings (km/h)
! rowspan="2" | Gear (km/h)
! colspan="3" | Flaps (km/h)
! colspan="2" | Max Static G
|-
! Combat !! Take-off !! Landing !! + !! -
|-
| {{Specs|destruction|body}} || {{Specs|destruction|gear}} || 498 || 469 || 320 || ~8 || ~6
|-
|}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="4" | Optimal velocities (km/h)
|-
! Ailerons !! Rudder !! Elevators !! Radiator
|-
| < 563 || < 560 || < 560 || > 314
|-
|}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="3" | Compressor (RB/SB)
|-
! colspan="3" | Setting 1
|-
! Optimal altitude
! 100% Engine power
! WEP Engine power
|-
| 8,400 m || 1,660 hp || 1,942 hp
|-
|}
[[File:J7W1 vario over altitude.png|thumb|]]
[[File:J7w1 power - altitude envelope.png|thumb]]

=== Survivability and armour ===
{{Specs-Avia-Armour}}


* 70 mm Bulletproof glass - Armoured windscreen
* 16 mm Steel plate in the nose, in front of ammo boxes and pilot

The J7W1 is protected by armour glass (70 mm) in front of pilot and steel armour plate (16 mm) in front of pilot in between guns. It is very prone to fires, and which are difficult to extinguish. Engine snipes are common, due to the position of the engine. Wing tip damage can increase the likelyhood of unrecoverable flat spins.

=== Modifications and economy ===
{{Specs-Economy}}

== Armaments ==
{{Specs-Avia-Armaments}}
=== Offensive armament ===
{{Specs-Avia-Offensive}}

{{main|Type 5 navy (30 mm)}}

The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' is armed with:

* 4 x 30 mm Type 5 navy cannons, nose-mounted (60 rpg = 240 total)

;Muzzle velocities

* Shells: HEF-T, PT, P: 910 m/s
* Shells: HEF-I, HEF: 720 m/s
* Tracer: 910 m/s
* All other belts: Mixed shell velocities, see above.

=== Suspended armament ===
{{Specs-Avia-Suspended}}

{{main|Navy Type 97 Number 6 (60 kg)}}

The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' can be outfitted with the following ordnance:

* Without load
* 2 x 60 kg Navy Type 97 Number 6 bombs (120 kg total)
* 4 x 60 kg Navy Type 97 Number 6 bombs (240 kg total)

== Usage in battles ==


The Shinden is a quick, pusher prop aircraft that excels in keeping its energy up after diving from a high altitude. It is able to climb up to a nice altitude above its opponents and strafe enemies either with a boom-and-zoom or hit-and-run strategy. The Shinden sports four excellent 30 mm guns mounted in the nose making it infamous for its head-on capabilities as they are easy to get on target but require a bit of aim control as the guns have low muzzle velocity, as long as you keep your speed high you will become a big threat to the enemy team. The Shinden is able to outrun a myriad of aircraft at its BR with some exceptions being the [[F8F-1B]] and the [[Spitfire F Mk XIVe]] as they have more powerful engines. Enemy bombers such as the [[B-17G-60-VE]] are optimal targets as your main weapons are able to quickly rip through the bombers armour, heavy fighters such as the [[F7F-1]] or the [[Hornet Mk.III]] are targets you may often see at your altitude and make for great prey as they are large and aren't as agile as single-engine fighters. As a Shinden pilot, it is unwise to let the enemy get onto your six o'clock as you aren't likely to shake them with your poor manoeuvrability and the Shinden's engine is mounted in the rear of the plane, meaning any enemy behind you can quickly take you out of the fight just with a few hits to the engine. Like a majority of the Japanese planes, the Shinden lacks any armour to reliable stop bullets from damaging it, however there is a piece of bulletproof glass in the front of the planes cockpit that is 70 mm thick as well as a 16 mm steel plate in the nose, making head-ons a reliable way to kill enemy aircraft as you do not have to worry about enemy bullets hitting your engine. It is highly recommended to avoid participating in dogfights in the Shinden as almost any single prop fighter at its BR will be able to outturn it so it's ideal to stick to energy fighting. The Shinden also has access to 60 kg bombs that can destroy lightly-armoured targets in mixed battles.

In Simulator Battles the Shinden is one of a few planes which gain the ability to preform a "Cobra" manoeuvre and also has the ability to throttle the fuel mixture throttle down enough to kill the engine and stop most engine fires and even some fuel tank fires that it is prone to receiving. Bring the Tracer Belt in most scenarios as all the other belts have practice rounds.

=== Manual Engine Control ===
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="7" | MEC elements
|-
! rowspan="2" | Mixer
! rowspan="2" | Pitch
! colspan="3" | Radiator
! rowspan="2" | Supercharger
! rowspan="2" | Turbocharger
|-
! Oil !! Water !! Type
|-
| Controllable || Controllable Auto control available || Not controllable Not auto controlled || Controllable Auto control available || Combined || Not controllable 1 gear || Not controllable
|-
|}

=== Pros and cons ===


'''Pros:'''

* Pilot has some protection in the back from the engine
* Competitive high speed turn rate
* Good roll rate
* Amazing pitch response
* 4 x 30 mm cannons make for some great offensive firepower
* Great high speed and handling and dive
* Since the engine and propeller are located in the rear, it is not likely to take damage or catch fire from shots landing at its front

'''Cons:'''

* Slow sustained turn rate
* High speed rudder suffers some compression
* Pilot more exposed at the front.
* Since the engine is located in the rear, it is especially vulnerable to enemies behind it
* Shots to the front may damage its "tail" flaps
* Armament may detonate
* Fuel tanks are easily flammable and do not fully self-seal

== History ==

The J7W1 Shinden (震電, "Magnificent Lightning") was an Imperial Japanese fighter of WWII that was built near the end of the war in an attempted response to the American B-29 Superfortress bombers. The aircraft used a canard wing formation, (canard wing formation refers to how the main wings are mounted at the rear of the fuselage and smaller wings are placed at the front. Similar to the Curtiss-Wright XP-55 Ascender.) Like the Ascender, the J7W1 was never put into mass-production and was abandoned while still in the prototype stage.<ref>"Kyushu J7W1 Shinden (Magnificent Lightning)." ''National Air and Space Museum'', 18 Apr. 2019, airandspace.si.edu/collection-objects/kyushu-j7w1-shinden-magnificent-lightning.</ref>

Developed with the intention of intercepting heavy bombers, it was given 4 nose-mounted 30 mm cannons.

Development of the aircraft began in 1944, but shortages of manufacturing supplies continued to delay its development and testing and the first prototype wasn't completed until April 1945. The Navy placed high hopes in the new model and it was originally hoped that the Kyushu's Zasshonokuma factory and Nakajima's Handa plant would be able to produce over a thousand of the aircraft by 1947.

The prototype first flew on 3 August 1945 from Itazuke Air Base. The plane flew a total of three times, each time as a test flight before it was grounded permanently due to the Japanese surrender and end of the war.

Various parts of the Shinden survived the end of the war and its fuselage can be seen at the National Air and Space Museum in Washington DC.<ref>"Kyushu J7W1/2 'Shinden.'" ''Kyushu J7W1/2 - Shinden'', tanks45.tripod.com/Jets45/Histories/Shinden/Shinden.htm.</ref>

== Media ==


;Skins

* [https://live.warthunder.com/feed/camouflages/?vehicle=j7w1 Skins and camouflages for the {{PAGENAME}} from live.warthunder.com.]

{{Skin-gallery
|market|J7W1 "The Shark"|J7W1 'The Shark'.jpg|Camo "J7W1 'The Shark'"
|market|ugcitem_1000623|J7W1 '418'.png|Camo "J7W1 '418' in training livery"
}}

;Videos
{{Youtube-gallery|INb9VjLxKf0|'''Most unusual aircraft''' discusses the {{PAGENAME}} at 4:25 - ''War Thunder Official Channel''|6Cyq6xsiD70|'''(Arcade): {{PAGENAME}} Shinden - Magnificent Lightning''' - ''tx141TX''|yYMCtg6qa40|'''War Thunder Sub's Choice Ep 39: {{PAGENAME}}''' - ''Jengar''|fphmndESyNU|'''The Shooting Range #60''' - ''Pages of History'' section at 07:06 discusses the J7W1.}}

== See also ==


;Aircraft of comparable role, configuration and era

* [[XP-55]]
* [[J21 (Family)]]

== External links ==


* [[wt:en/news/4548-profile-j7w1-shinden-the-magnificent-lightning-en|[Profile] J7W1 Shinden - The magnificent lightning]]
* [https://forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/202472-kyushu-j7w1/ [Forum<nowiki>]</nowiki> Aircraft Datasheet]
* [[wikipedia:Kyushu_J7W|[Wikipedia] Kyushu J7W]]

===References===
<references />

{{AirManufacturer Kyushu}}
{{Japan fighters}}

Ki-87

2022-11-20T22:39:20Z

U21187496: /* Pros and cons */ This only occurred in old FM

{{Specs-Card
|code=ki_87
|images={{Specs-Card-Image|GarageImage_{{PAGENAME}}.jpg|ArtImage_{{PAGENAME}}.png}}
|cockpit=cockpit_ki_87.jpg
}}

== Description ==

[[File:Ki87 side view.png|thumb|The majestic and hard to master Ki-87]]
The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a premium rank {{Specs|rank}} Japanese fighter {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update 1.63 "Desert Hunters"]]. Originally a pack vehicle, it was discontinued from the store after the [[wt:en/news/5611-shop-summer-sale-independence-day-en|2018 Independence Day Sale]], but was brought back for [[wt:en/news/6442-special-war-thunder-reaches-its-7th-year-en|War Thunder's 7th Anniversary]] as a premium purchasable in-game for 6,090 Golden Eagles {{ge}}.

The Ki-87 feels similar to a Japanese P-47. It has poor energy retention in very sharp turns, a lacklustre roll rate, and a sluggish feel. The Ki-87 has issues with overheating on WEP, and you'll need to use manual engine control to operate this plane at its best. However, all these flaws mean nothing to an experienced pilot, as the Ki-87 has the most fearsome armament of the super props. The cannons have excellent velocity, and usually one shot everything, and bombers fear you like the plague. The Ki-87 can reach amazing speeds in dives, and you can use tactics to force head-ons with many opponents.
[[File:Ki87 firesguns.png|thumb|The Ki-87's powerful armament consists of 2 x 20 mm cannons by the engine and 2 x 30 mm mounted in the wings]]
The Ki-87 makes use of a turbo-supercharger, meaning that it won't suffocate as much at high altitudes, so you can keep your engagements high. Planes like the Yak-3, F4U Corsair, and Bf 109 will be outclassed by the Ki-87 because of their poor high altitude performance. It is important to note that the turbo supercharger is not controlled by manual engine controls, so you won't need to worry about adjusting your supercharger gear or turbocharger settings.

Using WEP, the Ki-87 is able to climb to just over 5,500 m in five minutes, a strong climb rate. Bombers spawn in at 3,000 m so you can quickly climb above for positional advantage for booming and zooming. If the Ki-87 retains momentum from the dive and engages the targets, it will be able to climb back up to the operational altitude it was before engaging the enemy. It is recommended to take the minimum load of fuel, set your guns targeting to 500 m and turn on vertical targeting. You should run the tracer belts for your 30 mm cannons and the universal belt for your 20 mm cannons.

For landings, slow to at least 300 km/h (180 mph) before dropping the main gear and 250 km/h for flaps. Ideally, be about 50 m in altitude at the end of the runway and hold 200 km/h until touchdown.

== General info ==
=== Flight performance ===
[[File:Ki87 turbocharger.png|thumb|The Ki-87's turbocharger, used at high altitudes to bomber intercept]]
{{Specs-Avia-Flight}}

The flight performance feels slow and sluggish, yet powerful. The turning and energy retention is not good either. This plane also has overheating issues. to solve performance issues, it's always best to go for a side climb, especially when in uptiers! The plane dives insanely well. The turbo supercharger will keep the plane's performance up while at altitudes above 5,000 metres.

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="70%"
! rowspan="2" | Characteristics
! colspan="2" | Max Speed (km/h at 10,000 m)
! rowspan="2" | Max altitude (metres)
! colspan="2" | Turn time (seconds)
! colspan="2" | Rate of climb (metres/second)
! rowspan="2" | Take-off run (metres)
|-
! AB !! RB !! AB !! RB !! AB !! RB
|-
! Stock
| 684 || 664 || rowspan="2" | {{Specs|ceiling}} || 23.1 || 23.9 || 11.6 || 11.6 || rowspan="2" | 370
|-
! Upgraded
| 739 || 707 || 21.6 || 22.0 || 23.0 || 15.0
|-
|}

==== Details ====
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="50%"
|-
! colspan="5" | Features
|-
! Combat flaps !! Take-off flaps !! Landing flaps !! Air brakes !! Arrestor gear
|-
| ✓ || ✓ || ✓ || X || X 
|-
|}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="50%"
|-
! colspan="7" | Limits
|-
! rowspan="2" | Wings (km/h)
! rowspan="2" | Gear (km/h)
! colspan="3" | Flaps (km/h)
! colspan="2" | Max Static G
|-
! Combat !! Take-off !! Landing !! + !! -
|-
| {{Specs|destruction|body}} || {{Specs|destruction|gear}} || 457 || 428 || 280 || ~13 || ~6
|-
|}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="4" | Optimal velocities (km/h)
|-
! Ailerons !! Rudder !! Elevators !! Radiator
|-
| < 450 || < 450 || < 460 || > 324
|-
|}

[[File:Ki87 insidelooping.png|thumb|Ki-87 chases down an allied fighter]]

=== Survivability and armour ===
{{Specs-Avia-Armour}}


* 70 mm Bulletproof glass in cockpit front.
* 8.5 mm Steel plate behind the pilot.

=== Modifications and economy ===
{{Specs-Economy}}

== Armaments ==
{{Specs-Avia-Armaments}}
=== Offensive armament ===
{{Specs-Avia-Offensive}}

[[File:Ki87 scenic.png|thumb|Ki-87's guns do work on an enemy Bearcat]]
{{main|Ho-155 (30 mm)|Ho-5 (20 mm)}}

The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' is armed with:

* 2 x 30 mm Ho-155 cannons, wing-mounted (150 rpg = 300 total)
* 2 x 20 mm Ho-5 cannons, wing-mounted (150 rpg = 300 total)

Japanese rank IV aircraft are typically armed with a respectable array of guns, and the Ki-87 is no exception. Although the 20 mm Ho-5s are nothing to write home about, the 30 mm cannons are some of the most feared, respected and deadly weapons in the entire game. When armed with the Tracer belt, the Japanese 30 mm cannons have a muzzle velocity that surpasses even the M2 and M3 Browning .50 cal HMGs at a staggering 920 m/s, and when combined with the high explosive filler and large calibre, these beasts will make short work of any aircraft that's unfortunate enough to end up in their crosshairs.

The usual issue with 30 mm cannons on WW2-era propeller planes - that being their lack of sufficient ammunition capacity - is notably absent on the Ki-87, which mounts 150 round per gun instead of the usual 60 seen on other aircraft like the [[Ki-84 hei]] and [[J7W1]]. Although this increased ammunition capacity is indeed wonderful, the pilot should still take care to not be too trigger happy, as the exceptional ballistics of the cannons will prevent the need to waste copious amounts of bullets on a single target, increasing the endurance of the aircraft in the hands of a patient pilot.

=== Suspended armament ===
{{Specs-Avia-Suspended}}

[[File:Ki87 incoming.png|thumb|The guns on the Ki-87 do quite some damage to soft ground targets. The Ki-87 can also carry an additional 250 kg bomb]]
{{main|Army Type 94 GPHE (50 kg)|Army Type 92 GPHE (250 kg)}}

The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' can be outfitted with the following ordnance:

* Without load
* 1 x 50 kg Army Type 94 GPHE bomb (50 kg total)
* 1 x 250 kg Army Type 92 GPHE bomb (250 kg total)

== Usage in battles ==

Unlike the usual Japanese low-altitude and highly manoeuvrable fighter aircraft, the Ki-87 is a high-altitude bomber interceptor with mediocre speed and climb rate but less impressive agility. Featuring something relatively new for a Japanese fighter, the Ki-87 has a notably visible turbo-supercharger to boost its high altitude performance at the cost of aircraft weight and size. As such, it cannot be played like most other aircraft from the Japanese tree, but rather as a reserved Boom-&-Zoom that can abuse its brutal acceleration in a dive to pick off unwary victims.
[[File:Ki87 onairfieldd.png|thumb|The Ki-87 on an airfield at Midway]]
For engaging the enemy, The Ki-87 is best at boom-and-zoom tactics. Sideclimb to around 6,000 m and fly over enemy formations, once in position roll the plane to target, maintain coordinated control and correct rudder as at that altitude it is very easy to stall. Descend fast but not so much that the controls get sluggish. Once lined up and in range fire a short burst, the very heavy armament will rip the enemy plane apart; even evasive countermeasures will be insufficient for a properly executed Boom & Zoom.

If no bombers are present, then you might have issues engaging enemy fighters. The Ki-87 can only do a 21 m/s climb at 17 degrees, which makes it vulnerable to being outclimbed by nearly everything. As such, you'll need to side climb and then engage from the side. Do not try to turn with anything.

Against heavily armed aircraft such as the B-17, B-24, and B-29, and other heavy bombers, climb at least 600 m above them use slashing boom and zoom tactic firing short bursts, once the bullets hit the target, fire longer busts then jump back up. Ideally you should aim for large critical parts such as the wings and tail plane. The cannons on the Ki-87 will make short work of essential components and being substantial offer best chance of hitting. Never attack behind and at nearly same speed as you become a perfect target for multiple weapons. The Ki-87's fuel tanks are somewhat easy to ignite, and you won't last long if they do.
[[File:Ki87 gunview.png|thumb|Ki-87 Boom and Zooms a Bearcat]]

=== Tactics to Win With ===

* '''Force head-ons''': The Ki-87 can't energy fight or turn fight with any props (save [[Ta 152 C-3]] and [[P-47M-1-RE]]). It will be outclassed. The only time you should ever turn fight is if the enemy is crippled or in a low energy state. To deal with fighters that are higher than you, you need to step up and force a head-on. Most likely, Allied players will take the head-on. Your guns' good velocity should be enough to kill them. Remember to pull off early, as even a quick burst can kill you. If the enemy is higher than you and appears to engage, dive down. The enemy will most likely level out. Keep your speed high, as this will allow you to pull up and engage in vertical head-ons. This is your last chance to score the kill, as the enemy will now be at an advantage.
* '''Keep your speed high''': You need to worry about speed and altitude. DO NOT go for ground targets, as you will be an easy target for enemy fighters (a low and slow Ki-87 is as good as dead). Instead, keep your speed and altitude high, and have spatial awareness. Know where your enemy is.

=== Manual Engine Control ===
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="7" | MEC elements
|-
! rowspan="2" | Mixer
! rowspan="2" | Pitch
! colspan="3" | Radiator
! rowspan="2" | Supercharger
! rowspan="2" | Turbocharger
|-
! Oil !! Water !! Type
|-
| Controllable || Controllable Not auto controlled || Controllable Not auto controlled || Controllable Not auto controlled || Separate || Not controllable 1 gear || Auto controlled
|-
|}
[[File:Ki87 blueairfield.png|thumb|A Ki-87 sporting a blue camouflage]]
You'll need to keep the prop pitch at 99-98 percent while in a climb, and adjust it to 90% when traveling above 700 km/h. The radiators should be kept at 100% while on WEP.

After you reach desired altitude, and you are about to dive on someone, change propeller pitch to 75% and radiator to 50% or lower if you want to conserve as much energy as possible.

The mixture should be adjusted at these levels: '''(Mixture is not modeled for this aircraft)'''

* Sea level: 100%
* 1,000 metres: 90%
* 2,000 metres: 80%
* 4,000 metres: 60%
* 6,000 metres: 45%

=== Pros and cons ===

[[File:Ki87 inflight.png|thumb|Ki-87 over the Pacific]]

'''Pros:'''

* Excels in high-altitude bomber intercepting
* Great gun velocity, you can engage bombers from over 1 km away
* Powerful armament consisting of 2 x 30 mm cannons and 2 x 20 mm cannons
* No wing-mounted fuel tanks
* 30 mm cannons have a huge amount of ammo
* High red-line speed of 840 km/h
* Fast at diving
* Can equip bombs, although it will affect the aircraft's speed and turning time

'''Cons:'''

* Not as manoeuvrable as other Japanese aircraft, feels very sluggish
* Really bad energy retention, especially when coming out of a dive
* Crew skills, if the crew skills are not high enough it is very easy to black out
* Fuselage fuel-tank is susceptible to fire
* Overheats extremely quickly, it's advisable to open the radiators using Manual Engine Controls
* Mediocre climb rate
* No interceptor spawn
* 30 mm HEF-T has only a maximum penetration of 2 mm
* Begins to lock up at around 700 km/h (435 mph)

[[File:Ki87 bluedive.png|thumb|The Ki-87 pulls out of a steep dive]]

== History ==

Improved metallurgy and engineering in the 1930s saw a massive leap in aircraft performance, especially the once bulky, boxy, lumbering bombers reborn as sleek and sexy machines that left old fashioned wooden fighters in its vapour trail. It was not long before those flying rag fighters were also updated with gleaming aluminum and once again surpassed the bombers top speed. Yet bombers still had a trick up their sleeves, altitude.
[[File:Ki87 port.png|thumb|Ki-87 at the cargo port]]
Flying above 9,000 m (29,500 ft) in super cold thin air and rarefied oxygen was both a technical and physiological challenge. The long wings and large interiors of bombers offered space needed for extreme high altitude flight, example the Ju 86P/R bomber which flew above 12,000 m (40,000 ft) with impunity over England, beyond the RAFs reach for months. The B-17 and B-24 could also operate at altitudes the Bf 109 and Fw 190 had difficulty reaching.
[[File:Ki87 fromtruck.png|thumb|The Ki-87 from another angle in Cargo Port]]
Predicting the same for Japan, the military wisely ordered research into high altitude single engine fighters as early as 1942 and by 1943 work was underway on the future Nakajima Ki-87 and the alternate Tachikawa Ki-94. At 12,000 m the air density is about 1/4 that of sea level necessitating a huge supercharged engine, but its internal "blower" needed an additional boost so a "turbo-supercharger" was added, powered by high velocity exhaust gas. This combination is exactly like the P-47 Thunderbolt has, except this time the turbo was mounted on the right side of nose on the prototypes and not in rear fuselage. High aspect-ratio wings were chosen for the thin air (compare Fw 190 with Ta 152), but with limited space to mount the dual pair of 30 mm and 20 mm cannons in an unusual step Nakajima chose a landing gear retraction like on P-40 Kittyhawk. High altitude flight is also extremely uncomfortable for the pilot so the cockpit was partially pressurized and extra tanks of oxygen installed. Pilot armour, thick bulletproof glass, self-sealing fuel tanks, and hard point for bombs were also added. Finally enough fuel for at least 2 hours flight resulted in a massive aircraft for the Japanese, well over twice the weight of the A6M2 Zero.

It was an enormous technical challenge for Japanese industry taking a long time to overcome teething issues. Japanese aircraft rarely utilized turbo-superchargers in their planes, so experience in operation was limited, and although the 90° retracting gear was a favourite design, it took Nakajima months to get it to operate correctly.

The prototype flew for the first time in April 1945 at a time when the anticipated B-29 bomber was pounding Japan, but by then it was too late. Disruption by bombing and dwindling resources prevented the second prototype from flying and attrition of what little fighter defence Japan had. Ironically, with such weak home defence, the B-29s flew much lower so they could bomb more accurately, negating the purpose of the high altitude Ki-87.

== Media ==


;Skins

* [https://live.warthunder.com/feed/camouflages/?vehicle=ki_87 Skins and camouflages for the {{PAGENAME}} from live.warthunder.com.]

;Videos
{{Youtube-gallery|4vA1mwpSG2Q|'''{{PAGENAME}} - Mr Spark Ruins The Bomber Hunting Party''' - ''Napalmratte''|xklKT8qdvPo|'''The Shooting Range #20''' - ''Metal Beasts'' section at 00:42 discusses the Ki-87.|eaefVIIZo78|'''Premium Review: {{PAGENAME}} [Headon Monster]''' - ''Jengar''|khGg-GvfWLo|'''Japanese Thunderbolt - {{PAGENAME}} Review - 1.63''' - ''MikeGoesBoom''}}

== See also ==


;Japanese late-war Pacific fighters

* [[J2M5]]
* [[N1K2-Ja|N1K2]]
* [[Ki-84 ko]]

== External links ==


* [https://forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/330718-ki-87/ Official data sheet - more details about the performance]

{{AirManufacturer Nakajima}}
{{Japan fighters}}
{{Japan premium aircraft}}

Ki-87

2022-11-20T22:36:31Z

U21187496: /* Manual Engine Control */ Mixture is not modeled + prop pitch advise

{{Specs-Card
|code=ki_87
|images={{Specs-Card-Image|GarageImage_{{PAGENAME}}.jpg|ArtImage_{{PAGENAME}}.png}}
|cockpit=cockpit_ki_87.jpg
}}

== Description ==

[[File:Ki87 side view.png|thumb|The majestic and hard to master Ki-87]]
The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a premium rank {{Specs|rank}} Japanese fighter {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update 1.63 "Desert Hunters"]]. Originally a pack vehicle, it was discontinued from the store after the [[wt:en/news/5611-shop-summer-sale-independence-day-en|2018 Independence Day Sale]], but was brought back for [[wt:en/news/6442-special-war-thunder-reaches-its-7th-year-en|War Thunder's 7th Anniversary]] as a premium purchasable in-game for 6,090 Golden Eagles {{ge}}.

The Ki-87 feels similar to a Japanese P-47. It has poor energy retention in very sharp turns, a lacklustre roll rate, and a sluggish feel. The Ki-87 has issues with overheating on WEP, and you'll need to use manual engine control to operate this plane at its best. However, all these flaws mean nothing to an experienced pilot, as the Ki-87 has the most fearsome armament of the super props. The cannons have excellent velocity, and usually one shot everything, and bombers fear you like the plague. The Ki-87 can reach amazing speeds in dives, and you can use tactics to force head-ons with many opponents.
[[File:Ki87 firesguns.png|thumb|The Ki-87's powerful armament consists of 2 x 20 mm cannons by the engine and 2 x 30 mm mounted in the wings]]
The Ki-87 makes use of a turbo-supercharger, meaning that it won't suffocate as much at high altitudes, so you can keep your engagements high. Planes like the Yak-3, F4U Corsair, and Bf 109 will be outclassed by the Ki-87 because of their poor high altitude performance. It is important to note that the turbo supercharger is not controlled by manual engine controls, so you won't need to worry about adjusting your supercharger gear or turbocharger settings.

Using WEP, the Ki-87 is able to climb to just over 5,500 m in five minutes, a strong climb rate. Bombers spawn in at 3,000 m so you can quickly climb above for positional advantage for booming and zooming. If the Ki-87 retains momentum from the dive and engages the targets, it will be able to climb back up to the operational altitude it was before engaging the enemy. It is recommended to take the minimum load of fuel, set your guns targeting to 500 m and turn on vertical targeting. You should run the tracer belts for your 30 mm cannons and the universal belt for your 20 mm cannons.

For landings, slow to at least 300 km/h (180 mph) before dropping the main gear and 250 km/h for flaps. Ideally, be about 50 m in altitude at the end of the runway and hold 200 km/h until touchdown.

== General info ==
=== Flight performance ===
[[File:Ki87 turbocharger.png|thumb|The Ki-87's turbocharger, used at high altitudes to bomber intercept]]
{{Specs-Avia-Flight}}

The flight performance feels slow and sluggish, yet powerful. The turning and energy retention is not good either. This plane also has overheating issues. to solve performance issues, it's always best to go for a side climb, especially when in uptiers! The plane dives insanely well. The turbo supercharger will keep the plane's performance up while at altitudes above 5,000 metres.

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="70%"
! rowspan="2" | Characteristics
! colspan="2" | Max Speed (km/h at 10,000 m)
! rowspan="2" | Max altitude (metres)
! colspan="2" | Turn time (seconds)
! colspan="2" | Rate of climb (metres/second)
! rowspan="2" | Take-off run (metres)
|-
! AB !! RB !! AB !! RB !! AB !! RB
|-
! Stock
| 684 || 664 || rowspan="2" | {{Specs|ceiling}} || 23.1 || 23.9 || 11.6 || 11.6 || rowspan="2" | 370
|-
! Upgraded
| 739 || 707 || 21.6 || 22.0 || 23.0 || 15.0
|-
|}

==== Details ====
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="50%"
|-
! colspan="5" | Features
|-
! Combat flaps !! Take-off flaps !! Landing flaps !! Air brakes !! Arrestor gear
|-
| ✓ || ✓ || ✓ || X || X 
|-
|}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="50%"
|-
! colspan="7" | Limits
|-
! rowspan="2" | Wings (km/h)
! rowspan="2" | Gear (km/h)
! colspan="3" | Flaps (km/h)
! colspan="2" | Max Static G
|-
! Combat !! Take-off !! Landing !! + !! -
|-
| {{Specs|destruction|body}} || {{Specs|destruction|gear}} || 457 || 428 || 280 || ~13 || ~6
|-
|}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="4" | Optimal velocities (km/h)
|-
! Ailerons !! Rudder !! Elevators !! Radiator
|-
| < 450 || < 450 || < 460 || > 324
|-
|}

[[File:Ki87 insidelooping.png|thumb|Ki-87 chases down an allied fighter]]

=== Survivability and armour ===
{{Specs-Avia-Armour}}


* 70 mm Bulletproof glass in cockpit front.
* 8.5 mm Steel plate behind the pilot.

=== Modifications and economy ===
{{Specs-Economy}}

== Armaments ==
{{Specs-Avia-Armaments}}
=== Offensive armament ===
{{Specs-Avia-Offensive}}

[[File:Ki87 scenic.png|thumb|Ki-87's guns do work on an enemy Bearcat]]
{{main|Ho-155 (30 mm)|Ho-5 (20 mm)}}

The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' is armed with:

* 2 x 30 mm Ho-155 cannons, wing-mounted (150 rpg = 300 total)
* 2 x 20 mm Ho-5 cannons, wing-mounted (150 rpg = 300 total)

Japanese rank IV aircraft are typically armed with a respectable array of guns, and the Ki-87 is no exception. Although the 20 mm Ho-5s are nothing to write home about, the 30 mm cannons are some of the most feared, respected and deadly weapons in the entire game. When armed with the Tracer belt, the Japanese 30 mm cannons have a muzzle velocity that surpasses even the M2 and M3 Browning .50 cal HMGs at a staggering 920 m/s, and when combined with the high explosive filler and large calibre, these beasts will make short work of any aircraft that's unfortunate enough to end up in their crosshairs.

The usual issue with 30 mm cannons on WW2-era propeller planes - that being their lack of sufficient ammunition capacity - is notably absent on the Ki-87, which mounts 150 round per gun instead of the usual 60 seen on other aircraft like the [[Ki-84 hei]] and [[J7W1]]. Although this increased ammunition capacity is indeed wonderful, the pilot should still take care to not be too trigger happy, as the exceptional ballistics of the cannons will prevent the need to waste copious amounts of bullets on a single target, increasing the endurance of the aircraft in the hands of a patient pilot.

=== Suspended armament ===
{{Specs-Avia-Suspended}}

[[File:Ki87 incoming.png|thumb|The guns on the Ki-87 do quite some damage to soft ground targets. The Ki-87 can also carry an additional 250 kg bomb]]
{{main|Army Type 94 GPHE (50 kg)|Army Type 92 GPHE (250 kg)}}

The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' can be outfitted with the following ordnance:

* Without load
* 1 x 50 kg Army Type 94 GPHE bomb (50 kg total)
* 1 x 250 kg Army Type 92 GPHE bomb (250 kg total)

== Usage in battles ==

Unlike the usual Japanese low-altitude and highly manoeuvrable fighter aircraft, the Ki-87 is a high-altitude bomber interceptor with mediocre speed and climb rate but less impressive agility. Featuring something relatively new for a Japanese fighter, the Ki-87 has a notably visible turbo-supercharger to boost its high altitude performance at the cost of aircraft weight and size. As such, it cannot be played like most other aircraft from the Japanese tree, but rather as a reserved Boom-&-Zoom that can abuse its brutal acceleration in a dive to pick off unwary victims.
[[File:Ki87 onairfieldd.png|thumb|The Ki-87 on an airfield at Midway]]
For engaging the enemy, The Ki-87 is best at boom-and-zoom tactics. Sideclimb to around 6,000 m and fly over enemy formations, once in position roll the plane to target, maintain coordinated control and correct rudder as at that altitude it is very easy to stall. Descend fast but not so much that the controls get sluggish. Once lined up and in range fire a short burst, the very heavy armament will rip the enemy plane apart; even evasive countermeasures will be insufficient for a properly executed Boom & Zoom.

If no bombers are present, then you might have issues engaging enemy fighters. The Ki-87 can only do a 21 m/s climb at 17 degrees, which makes it vulnerable to being outclimbed by nearly everything. As such, you'll need to side climb and then engage from the side. Do not try to turn with anything.

Against heavily armed aircraft such as the B-17, B-24, and B-29, and other heavy bombers, climb at least 600 m above them use slashing boom and zoom tactic firing short bursts, once the bullets hit the target, fire longer busts then jump back up. Ideally you should aim for large critical parts such as the wings and tail plane. The cannons on the Ki-87 will make short work of essential components and being substantial offer best chance of hitting. Never attack behind and at nearly same speed as you become a perfect target for multiple weapons. The Ki-87's fuel tanks are somewhat easy to ignite, and you won't last long if they do.
[[File:Ki87 gunview.png|thumb|Ki-87 Boom and Zooms a Bearcat]]

=== Tactics to Win With ===

* '''Force head-ons''': The Ki-87 can't energy fight or turn fight with any props (save [[Ta 152 C-3]] and [[P-47M-1-RE]]). It will be outclassed. The only time you should ever turn fight is if the enemy is crippled or in a low energy state. To deal with fighters that are higher than you, you need to step up and force a head-on. Most likely, Allied players will take the head-on. Your guns' good velocity should be enough to kill them. Remember to pull off early, as even a quick burst can kill you. If the enemy is higher than you and appears to engage, dive down. The enemy will most likely level out. Keep your speed high, as this will allow you to pull up and engage in vertical head-ons. This is your last chance to score the kill, as the enemy will now be at an advantage.
* '''Keep your speed high''': You need to worry about speed and altitude. DO NOT go for ground targets, as you will be an easy target for enemy fighters (a low and slow Ki-87 is as good as dead). Instead, keep your speed and altitude high, and have spatial awareness. Know where your enemy is.

=== Manual Engine Control ===
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="7" | MEC elements
|-
! rowspan="2" | Mixer
! rowspan="2" | Pitch
! colspan="3" | Radiator
! rowspan="2" | Supercharger
! rowspan="2" | Turbocharger
|-
! Oil !! Water !! Type
|-
| Controllable || Controllable Not auto controlled || Controllable Not auto controlled || Controllable Not auto controlled || Separate || Not controllable 1 gear || Auto controlled
|-
|}
[[File:Ki87 blueairfield.png|thumb|A Ki-87 sporting a blue camouflage]]
You'll need to keep the prop pitch at 99-98 percent while in a climb, and adjust it to 90% when traveling above 700 km/h. The radiators should be kept at 100% while on WEP.

After you reach desired altitude, and you are about to dive on someone, change propeller pitch to 75% and radiator to 50% or lower if you want to conserve as much energy as possible.

The mixture should be adjusted at these levels: '''(Mixture is not modeled for this aircraft)'''

* Sea level: 100%
* 1,000 metres: 90%
* 2,000 metres: 80%
* 4,000 metres: 60%
* 6,000 metres: 45%

=== Pros and cons ===

[[File:Ki87 inflight.png|thumb|Ki-87 over the Pacific]]

'''Pros:'''

* Excels in high-altitude bomber intercepting
* Great gun velocity, you can engage bombers from over 1 km away
* Powerful armament consisting of 2 x 30 mm cannons and 2 x 20 mm cannons
* No wing-mounted fuel tanks
* 30 mm cannons have a huge amount of ammo
* High red-line speed of 840 km/h
* Fast at diving
* Can equip bombs, although it will affect the aircraft's speed and turning time

'''Cons:'''

* Not as manoeuvrable as other Japanese aircraft, feels very sluggish
* Really bad energy retention, especially when coming out of a dive
* Plane tends to wiggle in sharp turns, bleeding tremendous amounts of energy, so don't make too many sharp turns
* Crew skills, if the crew skills are not high enough it is very easy to black out
* Fuselage fuel-tank is susceptible to fire
* Overheats extremely quickly, it's advisable to open the radiators using Manual Engine Controls
* Mediocre climb rate
* No interceptor spawn
* 30 mm HEF-T has only a maximum penetration of 2 mm
* Begins to lock up at around 700 km/h (435 mph)

[[File:Ki87 bluedive.png|thumb|The Ki-87 pulls out of a steep dive]]

== History ==

Improved metallurgy and engineering in the 1930s saw a massive leap in aircraft performance, especially the once bulky, boxy, lumbering bombers reborn as sleek and sexy machines that left old fashioned wooden fighters in its vapour trail. It was not long before those flying rag fighters were also updated with gleaming aluminum and once again surpassed the bombers top speed. Yet bombers still had a trick up their sleeves, altitude.
[[File:Ki87 port.png|thumb|Ki-87 at the cargo port]]
Flying above 9,000 m (29,500 ft) in super cold thin air and rarefied oxygen was both a technical and physiological challenge. The long wings and large interiors of bombers offered space needed for extreme high altitude flight, example the Ju 86P/R bomber which flew above 12,000 m (40,000 ft) with impunity over England, beyond the RAFs reach for months. The B-17 and B-24 could also operate at altitudes the Bf 109 and Fw 190 had difficulty reaching.
[[File:Ki87 fromtruck.png|thumb|The Ki-87 from another angle in Cargo Port]]
Predicting the same for Japan, the military wisely ordered research into high altitude single engine fighters as early as 1942 and by 1943 work was underway on the future Nakajima Ki-87 and the alternate Tachikawa Ki-94. At 12,000 m the air density is about 1/4 that of sea level necessitating a huge supercharged engine, but its internal "blower" needed an additional boost so a "turbo-supercharger" was added, powered by high velocity exhaust gas. This combination is exactly like the P-47 Thunderbolt has, except this time the turbo was mounted on the right side of nose on the prototypes and not in rear fuselage. High aspect-ratio wings were chosen for the thin air (compare Fw 190 with Ta 152), but with limited space to mount the dual pair of 30 mm and 20 mm cannons in an unusual step Nakajima chose a landing gear retraction like on P-40 Kittyhawk. High altitude flight is also extremely uncomfortable for the pilot so the cockpit was partially pressurized and extra tanks of oxygen installed. Pilot armour, thick bulletproof glass, self-sealing fuel tanks, and hard point for bombs were also added. Finally enough fuel for at least 2 hours flight resulted in a massive aircraft for the Japanese, well over twice the weight of the A6M2 Zero.

It was an enormous technical challenge for Japanese industry taking a long time to overcome teething issues. Japanese aircraft rarely utilized turbo-superchargers in their planes, so experience in operation was limited, and although the 90° retracting gear was a favourite design, it took Nakajima months to get it to operate correctly.

The prototype flew for the first time in April 1945 at a time when the anticipated B-29 bomber was pounding Japan, but by then it was too late. Disruption by bombing and dwindling resources prevented the second prototype from flying and attrition of what little fighter defence Japan had. Ironically, with such weak home defence, the B-29s flew much lower so they could bomb more accurately, negating the purpose of the high altitude Ki-87.

== Media ==


;Skins

* [https://live.warthunder.com/feed/camouflages/?vehicle=ki_87 Skins and camouflages for the {{PAGENAME}} from live.warthunder.com.]

;Videos
{{Youtube-gallery|4vA1mwpSG2Q|'''{{PAGENAME}} - Mr Spark Ruins The Bomber Hunting Party''' - ''Napalmratte''|xklKT8qdvPo|'''The Shooting Range #20''' - ''Metal Beasts'' section at 00:42 discusses the Ki-87.|eaefVIIZo78|'''Premium Review: {{PAGENAME}} [Headon Monster]''' - ''Jengar''|khGg-GvfWLo|'''Japanese Thunderbolt - {{PAGENAME}} Review - 1.63''' - ''MikeGoesBoom''}}

== See also ==


;Japanese late-war Pacific fighters

* [[J2M5]]
* [[N1K2-Ja|N1K2]]
* [[Ki-84 ko]]

== External links ==


* [https://forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/330718-ki-87/ Official data sheet - more details about the performance]

{{AirManufacturer Nakajima}}
{{Japan fighters}}
{{Japan premium aircraft}}

Ki-84 hei

2022-11-20T19:21:08Z

U21187496: /* Survivability and armour */ There is no such armor plate in this plane

{{About
|about= Japanese fighter '''{{PAGENAME}}'''
|usage= other versions
|link= Ki-84 (Family)
}}
{{Specs-Card
|code=ki_84_hei
|images={{Specs-Card-Image|GarageImage_{{PAGENAME}}.jpg|ArtImage_{{PAGENAME}}.png}}
}}

== Description ==

The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a rank {{Specs|rank}} Japanese fighter {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update 1.37]].

== General info ==
=== Flight performance ===
{{Specs-Avia-Flight}}

The Hei Hayate has identical flight performance to the preceding Ko and Otsu versions - same good turn rate, climb rate, and compression. As with the other two, use your excellent vertical energy retention and good manoeuvrability to your advantage. You can outturn all Allied aircraft except the Merlin Spitfires and the P-59 using combat flaps. You still retain the reasonable roll rate and abysmal rudder of the other Hayates.

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="70%"
! rowspan="2" | Characteristics
! colspan="2" | Max Speed (km/h at 6,000 m)
! rowspan="2" | Max altitude (metres)
! colspan="2" | Turn time (seconds)
! colspan="2" | Rate of climb (metres/second)
! rowspan="2" | Take-off run (metres)
|-
! AB !! RB !! AB !! RB !! AB !! RB
|-
! Stock
| 669 || 650 || rowspan="2" | {{Specs|ceiling}} || 20.2 || 20.8 || 14.1 || 14.1 || rowspan="2" | 421
|-
! Upgraded
| 718 || 692 || 19.1 || 19.4 || 22.6 || 17.9
|-
|}

==== Details ====
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="50%"
|-
! colspan="5" | Features
|-
! Combat flaps !! Take-off flaps !! Landing flaps !! Air brakes !! Arrestor gear
|-
| ✓ || ✓ || ✓ || X || X 
|-
|}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="50%"
|-
! colspan="7" | Limits
|-
! rowspan="2" | Wings (km/h)
! rowspan="2" | Gear (km/h)
! colspan="3" | Flaps (km/h)
! colspan="2" | Max Static G
|-
! Combat !! Take-off !! Landing !! + !! -
|-
| {{Specs|destruction|body}} || {{Specs|destruction|gear}} || 470 || 431 || 280 || ~13 || ~10
|-
|}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="4" | Optimal velocities (km/h)
|-
! Ailerons !! Rudder !! Elevators !! Radiator
|-
| < 400 || < 480 || < 430 || > 324
|-
|}

=== Survivability and armour ===
{{Specs-Avia-Armour}}


* 70 mm sloped (66°) bulletproof glass in the windshield
* 13 mm steel plate behind the pilot seat

=== Modifications and economy ===
{{Specs-Economy}}

== Armaments ==
{{Specs-Avia-Armaments}}
=== Offensive armament ===
{{Specs-Avia-Offensive}}

{{main|Ho-155 (30 mm)|Ho-5 (20 mm)}}

The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' is armed with:

* 2 x 30 mm Ho-155 cannons, wing-mounted (60 rpg = 120 total)
* 2 x 20 mm Ho-5 cannons, nose-mounted (150 rpg = 300 total)

=== Suspended armament ===
{{Specs-Avia-Suspended}}

{{main|Army Type 94 GPHE (50 kg)|Army Type 92 GPHE (250 kg)}}

The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' can be outfitted with the following ordnance:

* Without load
* 2 x 50 kg Army Type 94 GPHE bombs (100 kg total)
* 2 x 250 kg Army Type 92 GPHE bombs (500 kg total)

== Usage in battles ==


The Hei Hayate is the same great Hayate but with 2 x 30 mm cannons instead of 2 x 20 mm. Although this might not seem too important, one hit from a 30 mm high explosive shell will easily send your enemies to their doom. This solves the problem of the lacklustre 20 mms. When up-tiered to jets, focus on taking out propeller-powered aircraft. Climb high, and gradually work your way down. Once all the props are down, look for furballs and/or ground-pounding jets. Swoop down on these people and destroy them. When jumped by a jet, there are a few things you can do such as pulling evasive manoeuvres and wearing the enemy's energy down. Call out for your jet teammates to help you out. When there is one more person running away, unless they are a bomber (which are typically easy to catch) or a prop fighter, will not be much for you to do. Just go to the airfield, repair, and "J"-out. Equip ground target rounds and bombs and try to wear down the tickets. Remember not to die. Survival is more important than ever in the Hei Hayate - your astounding repair cost means that you need to take down at least ''three'' air targets before breaking even with this aircraft's repair cost!

'''Simulator Battles'''

* In Simulator, the Ki-84 is overall a decent plane to fly. It enjoys lovely visibility towards the rear, sides, above, and over the nose, giving the pilot great situational awareness. It has nice handling, good climb rate, great speed and acceleration. Armament wise, the cannons have destructive damage and enough fire rate to put quite a few projectiles into the target in one pass. However the Ki-84's disadvantages are the poor rudder efficiency at high speeds, the rather slow roll rate, and the compass at the front-right of the gunsight that can obstruct your view. This aircraft can be used in BnZ fighting, turn fighting, intercepting (to some extent) and some ground pounding.
* Before taking off, bring at least 30 minutes of fuel for longer patrol time. Set the convergence to around 250 m since your weapons have low velocity, therefore needing more precise aim at longer range. While your Ki-84 roars down the runway, you will notice that it shifts severely to the left, thus you must put rudder input to the right to taxi straight. As with other Ki series aircraft, only elevator trim is available, so when the stick is at its deadzone, the Ki-84 will roll and yaw to the left side. Therefore you always need to pull the stick a little to the right which can get a bit annoying. Usually, trim for around -1% when cruising around 470 km/h, around -5% when diving around 600 km/h, and when fighting at around 400 km/h no negative trim is needed. When carrying the 2x 250kg bombload, no negative trim is needed as well. Landing characteristics are forgiving: cut throttle to make sure you are not above 350 km/h before touchdown. Deploy combat then takeoff flaps to further decelerate in preparation for extending landing gears. Extend at around 260 km/h, control your descend rate throughout. Right before touchdown, deploy landing flaps. The gears are quite sturdy. You can break until the plane reaches full stop and not worry about propeller strike.
* For dogfighting, it is always safer to enter with an altitude advantage. Most dogfights in Sim happen around or below 3,000 m so the Ki-84 can easily climb up to that altitude. Once at an advantageous height, boom & zoom the enemies. The Ki-84 can easily accelerate to more than 550 km/h in a dive which is decently fast but requires more precise manoeuvres to get the correct lead, since the faster you go the smaller the shooting window is. Important note: when fighting above 550 km/h, you want to be more precise in the roll and pitch axis, since at this speed the rudder locks up severely, preventing you from making aim adjustments which negatively impacts the lead. You must pretend that your rudder doesn't exist and fully rely on the ailerons and elevators to lead. A successful pass will usually cripple, if not destroying the enemy. Aside from BnZ, the Ki-84 is also excellent at turn fighting - with the appropriate opponent, of course. Except a few dedicated turn fighters, the Ki-84 can out-turn and get on most opponents' tail with combat / takeoff flaps deployed, and can sustain its turning ability throughout the fight. The Ki-84's stable handling allows you to pull some tight manoeuvres, so don't worry too much about flat spins. If you become a prey, try some defensive manoeuvres like barrel rolls or disengage by diving steeply towards a nearby friendly airfield. Note that the Ki-84's roll rate is very average so avoid manoeuvres like scissors.
* When performing the "destroy enemy surveillance aircraft/attackers/bombers" task, it is crucial to constantly evade the turrets. If it is a bomber/attacker with decent defensive firepower or robust protection, then you might want to disengage after some attempts if you don't want to die. Pay special attention to any plane equipped with M2 Browning MG, they can critically damage the Ki-84 especially on the engine, fuel tanks, and pilot which can always lead to a later crash. Before attacking try to get an altitude advantage and perform deflection shots. To maximise the damage it is better to aim for their wings and engines, as the fuselage usually soaks up quite some bullets. Only fire when the bomber passes in front of your guns. This short window is enough to cripple or even destroy a twin-engine aircraft thanks to the upgraded 30mm cannons, but it might require more passes to destroy robust targets such as B-29. However sometimes it only takes one bullet to set the target aflame. DO NOT follow behind a bomber's 6 unless you are sure that its tail gunners are unconscious. Chasing behind a bomber makes yourself pretty much stationary for the tail gunners, and you will be showered with bullets.
* For ground pounding, the best loadout is the 2 x 250 kg bombs. With an extra 500 kg of weight attached outside, the Ki-84 handles much clumsier during take offs, especially on the roll axis. Longer distance is needed before lifting off. It is quite easy to drop bombs accurately with a Ki-84 because this aircraft is able to quickly accelerate above 550 km/h in a dive, the bombs will travel an almost straight line towards the target, therefore you can aim the gunsight directly at the target and expect the bombs to land very close. After bombs away, immediately pull up. The 4 Ho-5's perform well in killing trucks, AA guns and artilleries as they are quite accurate, but do not waste cannon shells on these targets unless you must. Constantly watch your surrounding, especially your high 6 for any incoming enemies.

'''Enemies worth noting:'''

* [[Me 264]]: The Me 264 is armed with large calibre MG and cannons all over it, therefore tailing a 264 is basically suicide unless all of their gunners are knocked out. You can treat the 264 almost like a B-29 or B-17 as they are very similar in both design and defensive capabilities. It is best to head-on the 264 if you can as you can easily knock out the pilots due to its glazed nose while also taking minimal damage. However the bomber lacks a ventral turret on its belly, making it easy to deal damage from below, but be wary of the downwards facing rear 20 mm cannon near the tail. The safest way to attack is from a higher altitude, dive at an oblique angle and focus fire on the wings and nose. Never engage if you have no altitude advantage. Looking somewhat similar to a B-17, an Me 264 has huge back-swept wings with 2 engines on each, and a H-tail which differentiates it from a B-17/B-29.
* [[Yak-3 (Family)|Yak-3]]: this is a capable dogfighter or BnZ fighter that can be a huge threat. Although its firepower is not deadly, it can still critically damage a Ki-84. It is able to fly or dive at similar speeds, and can even engage a turn fight with a Ki-84 that is using takeoff flaps. The Yak-3 has a straight dorsal line housing an inline engine, a bubble canopy with a huge cooling intake sticking out the belly, and its symbolic, triangular wings.
* [[A6M (Family)|A6M]], [[Spitfire (Family)|Spitfire]], etc: If you see these turn fighters on your tail try outrunning them by diving at around -40 degrees. The Ki-84 still remains responsive handling at 600 km/h, but its speed retention is not the best, meaning it will start to lose speed quickly and the enemy might catch up. If you are near a friendly airfield, great. If not, then hope for the best and run towards the friendly side. A Spitfire also has an uncurved dorsal outline and large, elliptical wings. A Zero has a radial engine that's usually painted black, rounded wingtips and stabiliser tips followed by a pointy tail.
* [[Ju 288 C]]: this is a very common bomber in air RB. Their tactics generally fall into two styles: shallow dive bombing and conventional climbing. For the ones that shallow dive towards a bomb base at the start of the match, think twice before engaging. The Ju 288 is very fast for a bomber, being able to reach >500 km/h in a shallow dive which makes it quite hard for an attacker to BnZ it, as it will be slow to catch up to it, giving it long enough time to shoot back. The Ki-84 locks up past 550 km/h, plus the small ammo capacity of its 30 mm cannons, it is best to leave it for heavy-punching teammates. As for the Ju 288 that climb, do not engage if you have no altitude advantage. It has numerous guns with great downward coverage, posing a big threat to the fragile Ki-84.

=== Manual Engine Control ===
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="7" | MEC elements
|-
! rowspan="2" | Mixer
! rowspan="2" | Pitch
! colspan="3" | Radiator
! rowspan="2" | Supercharger
! rowspan="2" | Turbocharger
|-
! Oil !! Water !! Type
|-
| Controllable || Controllable Not auto controlled || Controllable Not auto controlled || Controllable Not auto controlled || Separate || Controllable 2 gears || Not controllable
|-
|}

=== Pros and cons ===


'''Pros:'''

* Equipped with a very powerful array of weapons
* Respectable speed for a prop plane
* Decent high altitude performance
* Effective top speed and energy retention allowing for the effective use of "boom and zoom" tactics
* Capable turner: maintains a high degree of manoeuvrability at almost all speeds
* Solid energy retention
* High muzzle velocity from both cannons
* 30 mm cannons are very effective against air targets
* Engine cools down fairly quickly when overheated
* Thanks to its lack of canopy frames, a clear all-round canopy view especially over the nose gives it a huge advantage in simulator.
* Center of mass is behind main landing gears, allowing it to break continuously until it stops. Does not need to worry about propeller strike

'''Cons:'''

* 30 mm cannons are mounted in the wings, resulting in significant convergence and makes them harder to aim
* 30 mm cannons fire fairly slowly, which isn't ideal for dogfighting
* Poor ballistics from the 20 mm cannons at this rank
* Elevator locks up at high speeds preventing optimal usage of its great energy retention
* Severe lock-up of the rudder above 500 km/h renders dive bombing or high speed boom and zoom less effective
* Can and will face early jet fighters (eg He-162), which negate your speed advantage
* Useless when the engine's shot
* Airframe is highly susceptible to battle damage, especially of the incendiary type

== History ==


The IJAAF approached Nakajima in 1942 to upgrade it's Ki 43 fighter. They realised the need for a more solidly armoured, faster, and heavier armed fighter. Addressing the common complaints with the Ki 43 which were low speed, lack of armour, and measly armament, the designers at Nakajima unleashed the Ki 84 - Japan's fastest propeller-driven fighter. Using the firm's own Homare, the Ki 84 was easily able to keep up and dogfight with the P-51 and P-47. The Hayate was produced in three modifications which happened to be the same aircraft with different armament options. These three are available to fly in-game.

== Media ==


;Skins

* [https://live.warthunder.com/feed/camouflages/?vehicle=ki_84_hei Skins and camouflages for the {{PAGENAME}} from live.warthunder.com.]

;Videos
{{Youtube-gallery|4v3fxupuZPA|'''Last piston fighters''' discusses the {{PAGENAME}} at 4:09 - ''War Thunder Official Channel''}}

== See also ==
''Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:''

* ''reference to the series of the aircraft;''
* ''links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.''

== External links ==


* [https://forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/111031-nakajima-ki-84-i-ko/ Official data sheet - more details about the performance]

{{AirManufacturer Nakajima}}
{{Japan fighters}}

XF5F

2022-11-18T19:27:32Z

U21187496: /* Pros and cons */ that is not a pros in anyway. should be in cons but i wont go that far

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|market=XF5F Skyrocket
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== Description ==

The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a premium gift rank {{Specs|rank}} American twin-engine fighter {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update 1.37]].

As a gift vehicle. the XF5F was only obtainable on special occasions throughout the years:

* During the [[wt:en/news/404--en|2014 Winter Magic]] event, the XF5F was given to the players who participated the most in the event.
* During the [[wt:en/news/2598--en|2014 War Thunder Anniversary]] event, the XF5F was one of the few planes that were given away.
* In the [[wt:en/news/3610-special-team-deathmatch-win-rare-vehicles-en|2016 Team Deathmatch]] tournament, the plane was awarded to the top 300 players.
* During the [[wt:en/news/4978-special-us-air-force-day-get-the-xf5f-skyrocket-en|2017 U.S. Air Force day]] event, the plane could be received by performing a single in-game task.
* It was also made available in the [[Warbonds]] shop as a random prize of the Vehicle battle trophy from [[wt:en/news/5432-news-how-can-you-get-premium-vehicles-warbonds-en|April]] to August 2018 and from [[wt:en/news/6349-news-how-can-you-get-premium-vehicles-warbonds-en|September 2019]] to February 2020.
* During War Thunder's [[wt:en/news/7945-special-happy-anniversary-war-thunder-en|10th anniversary]], it was a reward for the "10 rare vehicles" event.

== General info ==
=== Flight performance ===
{{Specs-Avia-Flight}}


The XF5F Skyrocket is an oddity. Its lightweight and surprising manoeuvrability aren't what you'd expect from a twin-engine fighter. Indeed, it is among the most agile twin-engine planes at this rank. Coupled with the low weight and its two powerplants, this aircraft makes for a unique flying style. The responsive roll and pull, in addition to the effective combat flaps, engine throttle management, and acceleration, allows for some nifty dogfighting against heavier planes that may see you as easy prey. It locks up similar to the XP-50's high-speed compression as you go past 600 km/h.

Keep in mind, however, that the engines will overheat badly at low altitude, and even more so at around 2,800 m due to the supercharger. Overheating isn't nearly as serious at higher altitude (around 12,000 ft / 3,600 m), where fresh air will cool your motor apparatus quickly. Alternatively, you may manually set the radiators to ~40% water/20% oil for continuous 100% engine power. Overall, the XF5F is a plane that favours high altitude, medium speed engagements, where it is safe from crashing in the ground and has room to manoeuvre.

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="70%"
! rowspan="2" | Characteristics
! colspan="2" | Max Speed (km/h at 5,273 m)
! rowspan="2" | Max altitude (metres)
! colspan="2" | Turn time (seconds)
! colspan="2" | Rate of climb (metres/second)
! rowspan="2" | Take-off run (metres)
|-
! AB !! RB !! AB !! RB !! AB !! RB
|-
! Stock
| 558 || 544 || rowspan="2" | {{Specs|ceiling}} || 21.9 || 22.6 || 7.4 || 7.3 || rowspan="2" | 280
|-
! Upgraded
| 588 || 574 || 20.2 || 21.0 || 12.1 || 9.7
|-
|}

==== Details ====
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="50%"
|-
! colspan="5" | Features
|-
! Combat flaps !! Take-off flaps !! Landing flaps !! Air brakes !! Arrestor gear
|-
| ✓ || ✓ || ✓ || X || ✓ 
|-
|}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="50%"
|-
! colspan="7" | Limits
|-
! rowspan="2" | Wings (km/h)
! rowspan="2" | Gear (km/h)
! colspan="3" | Flaps (km/h)
! colspan="2" | Max Static G
|-
! Combat !! Take-off !! Landing !! + !! -
|-
| {{Specs|destruction|body}} || {{Specs|destruction|gear}} || 465 || 436 || 290 || ~11 || ~7
|-
|}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="4" | Optimal velocities (km/h)
|-
! Ailerons !! Rudder !! Elevators !! Radiator
|-
| < 350 || < 400 || < 350 || > 300
|-
|}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="3" | Compressor (RB/SB)
|-
! colspan="3" | Setting 1
|-
! Optimal altitude
! 100% Engine power
! WEP Engine power
|-
| 1,200-5,000 m || 1,200 hp || N/A
|-
! colspan="3" | Setting 2
|-
! Optimal altitude
! 100% Engine power
! WEP Engine power
|-
| 4,200-9,000 m || 1,120 hp || N/A
|-
|}

=== Survivability and armour ===
{{Specs-Avia-Armour}}


* 9.5 mm Steel plate in the nose
* 9.5 mm Steel plate behind the pilot
* Self-sealing fuel tanks (1 in each wingroot)

=== Modifications and economy ===
{{Specs-Economy}}

== Armaments ==
{{Specs-Avia-Armaments}}
=== Offensive armament ===
{{Specs-Avia-Offensive}}

{{main|M2 Browning (12.7 mm)|Browning (7.62 mm)}}

The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' is armed with:

* 2 x 12.7 mm M2 Browning machine guns, nose-mounted (200 rpg = 400 total)
* 2 x 7.62 mm Browning machine guns, nose-mounted (500 rpg = 1,000 total)

== Usage in battles ==


;Combat tactics

The Skyrocket's primary role is going to be Boom & Zoom; the climb rate is decent, and so is the energy retention if you stay under 550 kph and opt for smooth, moderate turns. However, the lack of heavy armament means that you will have to keep your guns on target longer in order to achieve considerable damage. Such opportunity comes when the enemy is low on speed and not suspecting any enemies/tunnel-visioned on an ally; for example at the top of a loop, or in a sustained turn fight with an allied plane. If required, you can push the XF5F into a more aggressive energy fighter, similar to the Bf 109 series, where looping back on the enemy while holding superior speed and altitude allows you to extinguish their energy little by little. Some general tips:

* Exploiting the opponent's weakness while relying on a fast straight-line acceleration may allow for escapes out of an unfavourable situation.
* Energy fighters (Bf 109/C.205/La-5) trying to out turn a twin-engine plane can be lured into stall-speed turn fights and intercepted during their subsequent speed recovery.
* Single engagements at low altitude are optimal thanks to fast acceleration trumping dive speed and climb.
* Engagements with multiple opponents are to be avoided since the XF5F needs a substantially longer time to effectively engage and eliminate a target.

;Specific enemies worth noting

In Realistic and Simulator Battles, the stiff opposition, in the form of F4U-1, Bf 109 F, La-5, Yaks, Hurricanes and Ki-61, will give you a serious run for your money. Always make sure you hold the energy advantage at all times and are picking your fights with care.

;Counter-tactics

Countering an XF5F could include out-diving or -stalling with horizontal manoeuvres followed up by a steep ascend, exploiting its weak energy retention and sluggishness at low speeds. Another tactic is to force the XF5F into a head-on attack. Since it's not very well armed, there is a good chance that you will be able to deal damage without receiving much yourself.

=== Manual Engine Control ===
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="7" | MEC elements
|-
! rowspan="2" | Mixer
! rowspan="2" | Pitch
! colspan="3" | Radiator
! rowspan="2" | Supercharger
! rowspan="2" | Turbocharger
|-
! Oil !! Water !! Type
|-
| Controllable || Controllable Not auto controlled || Controllable Not auto controlled || Controllable Not auto controlled || Separate || Controllable 2 gears || Not controllable
|-
|}

=== Pros and cons ===


'''Pros:'''

* Adequate manoeuvrability overall
* Superb turn time
* Nose-mounted armament
* Can fly on a single-engine, albeit not for long
* Does have an arrestor hook, allowing for it to land on a carrier to repair/rearm

'''Cons:'''

* Weak armament
* Control surfaces compress hard after exceeding around 600 km/h
* Horrible energy retention
* Large profile,making it an easy target
* Large, fragile engines
* Prolonged usage of engines at 100% throttle causes it to overheat
* Poor climb rate
* Terrible high altitude performance
* No WEP in RB/SB
* Arrestor Hook is short/non-extendable, making carrier landings tricky

== History ==

The Grumman XF5F Skyrocket was a prototype twin engine, carrier-borne, interceptor aircraft; developed for the United States Navy. In January 1938, the U.S. Navy issued a specification calling for a lightweight carrier-based fighter / interceptor to replace the obsolete biplanes which were in use at the time. Five companies issued proposals, of which Grumman, Vought and Bell received contracts to produce a prototype. Grumman produced the XF5F Skyrocket, to complete with Vought's XF4U-1 Corsair (the prototype of the legendary [[F4U (Family)|F4U Corsair]]), and Bell's XFL Airabonita (a naval version of the [[P-39 (Family)|P-39 Airacobra]].

The requirement put an emphasis on the aircraft achieving the highest speed possible, and so for this reason the Grumman engineers chose to design a dual engine fighter. Grumman planned to fit the aircraft with two 23mm Madsen cannons, along with two Browning .30 machine guns; although this would eventually be revised with Browning .50 machine guns replacing the cannons. The main landing gear of the Skyrocket was built into the engine nacelles, and the wings were made to fold upwards just outboard of the engines in order to take up less room on aircraft carriers.

The Skyrocket was the first of the three prototypes to fly, taking to the air for the first time on 1st April 1940 and becoming the worlds first twin engined carrier-borne fighter. It was followed shortly after by the Airabonita on 13th May and the Corsair on 29th May. The XF5F proved to have good overall flight characteristics in it's first flight; however a number of problems were soon found with the aircraft. The oil cooling system was found to be inadequate, and the landing gear doors did not function properly. Following early test flights many modifications were made to the aircraft, including improvements to the cooling system, reducing the size of the cockpit canopy, redesigning aspects of the engine nacelles, and adding spinners to the propellers.

Bell's XFL Airabonita had been plagued with technical and design issues relating to the engine, aircraft balance, and landing gear; leading to it being rejected by the Navy. This left just the XF5F and XF4U in the competition. The XF5F had shown a high top speed of 616 km/h in early tests, and had proven itself to have an excellent climb rate of 4,000 ft/min, compared to the XF4U's 2,660 ft/min. However the single engine XF4U soon proved to be a better overall aircraft, achieving speeds of 650 km/h in later test flights, beating the duel engined XF5F.

On the 30th June 1941 the Navy gave Vought a contract to start producing the Corsair, and it soon became apparent that no such order would be placed for the Skyrocket. The XF5F continued flying as a test bed aircraft, but continued to be plagued by landing gear issues, eventually suffering two gear failures, the second of which lead to the aircraft being written off in December 1944.

Following the rejection of the XF5F Grumman worked on developing a dual engine land based fighter, the [[XP-50]]. The XP-50 was visually similar to the XF5F; however it had a longer noes, extending forwards of the wing, and a tricycle undercarriage. It also had more powerful engines than the XF5F, giving it significantly better flight performance. During testing of the single XP-50 prototype the turbo-supercharger on one of the aircraft's engines exploded, destroying the landing gear and forcing the pilot to abandon the aircraft. Using their experience from the XF5F and XP-50 Grumman finally developed the [[F7F-1|F7F Tigercat]], which was accepted into service, becoming the first duel engined fighter to be deployed by the US Navy.

== Media ==


;Skins

* [https://live.warthunder.com/feed/camouflages/?vehicle=xf5f Skins and camouflages for the {{PAGENAME}} from live.warthunder.com.]

;Videos
{{Youtube-gallery|OcYq1It4TAI|War Thunder Premium Review: XF5F Skyrocket [Ugly Duckling]}}

== See also ==


;Related development

* [[XP-50]]
* [[F7F-1]]
* [[F7F-3]]

;Similar airframe

* [[Ro.57 Quadriarma]]

== External links ==


* [https://forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/97454-grumman-xf5f/ War Thunder Aircraft Data Sheet: Grumman XF5F]
* [http://www.aviation-history.com/grumman/xf5f.html Aviation History Online Museum - Grumman XF5F-1 Skyrocket]
* [http://www.alternatewars.com/SAC/XF5F-1_and_XFL-1_PD_-_26_December_1942.pdf Performance Data of XF5F-1 and XFL-1 (26 Dec 1942)]
* [http://www.alternatewars.com/SAC/SD-260_-_Detail_Specification_for_XF5F-1_(Excerpts)_-_5_May_1938.htm SD-260 Detail Specification for Model XF5F-1 Airplane, May 5, 1938]

{{AirManufacturer Grumman}}
{{USA twin-engine fighters}}
{{USA premium aircraft}}
{{Winter Event}}

Q-5 early

2022-11-12T00:04:17Z

U21187496: /* Survivability and armour */ Invalid armor thickness

{{About
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| usage = other versions
| link = Q-5 (Family)
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== Description ==

The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a rank {{Specs|rank}} Chinese strike aircraft {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update "Raining Fire"]].

A development of the [[J-6A|J-6]]/[[MiG-19PT|MiG-19]], the Nanchang Q-5 is the first jet aircraft in the Chinese tech tree of indigenous design. Its wings and rear fuselage still closely resemble the MiG-19 but the new forward fuselage with side-mounted air intakes and a pointed nose give it a distinctive sleek appearance. Designed as an attacker, this early version of the Q-5 has better ground attack ordnance than the J-6A with access to 90 mm rocket pods and up to four 250 kg bombs. It also works well in the air-to-air role, having toned-down flight characteristics and armament compared to the J-6A at a lower battle rating in Realistic Battles. The Q-5 is not the most beginner friendly of aircraft but skilled pilots can still enjoy this iconic piece of Chinese aviation history.

Succeeding the Q-5 early is the improved [[Q-5A]], which boasts countermeasures, stronger rockets, and additional engine power.

== General info ==
=== Flight performance ===
{{Specs-Avia-Flight}}

Despite weighing about 10% more than the J-6A when empty, the Q-5 early still feels similar in terms of general flight performance. Acceleration, climb, and turning capability are good for its battle rating and the Q-5 can match or exceed late subsonic and early supersonic aircraft. It can reach about 1210 km/h at sea level thanks to its cleaner aerodynamic design, which actually compares very well to the J-6A, but it is noticeably slower than the J-6A at higher altitudes. It compresses more in dives, has somewhat worse low speed handling, and does not carry as much fuel. Anyone used to flying the J-6A or MiG-19PT will have few issues transitioning to the Q-5 and similar tactics can be used.

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="70%"
! rowspan="2" | Characteristics
! colspan="2" | Max Speed (km/h at 7,000 m)
! rowspan="2" | Max altitude (metres)
! colspan="2" | Turn time (seconds)
! colspan="2" | Rate of climb (metres/second)
! rowspan="2" | Take-off run (metres)
|-
! AB !! RB !! AB !! RB !! AB !! RB
|-
! Stock
| 1,307 || 1,302 || rowspan="2" | {{Specs|ceiling}} || 24.4 || 25.1 || 139.9 || 130.4 || rowspan="2" | 1,000
|-
! Upgraded
| 1,323 || 1,311 || 22.9 || 23.6 || 182.7 || 159.2
|-
|}

==== Details ====
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="50%"
|-
! colspan="6" | Features
|-
! Combat flaps !! Take-off flaps !! Landing flaps !! Air brakes !! Arrestor gear !! Drogue chute
|-
| X || ✓ || ✓ || ✓ || X || ✓ 
|-
|}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="50%"
|-
! colspan="7" | Limits
|-
! rowspan="2" | Wings (km/h)
! rowspan="2" | Gear (km/h)
! colspan="3" | Flaps (km/h)
! colspan="2" | Max Static G
|-
! Combat !! Take-off !! Landing !! + !! -
|-
| {{Specs|destruction|body}} || {{Specs|destruction|gear}} || N/A || 500 || 458 || ~11 || ~5
|-
|}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="4" | Optimal velocities (km/h)
|-
! Ailerons !! Rudder !! Elevators !! Radiator
|-
| < 540 || < 650 || < 350 || N/A
|-
|}

==== Engine performance ====
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="3" | Engine
! colspan="4" | Aircraft mass
|-
! colspan="2" | Engine name || Number
! colspan="2" | {{Annotation|Basic Mass|Mass of the aircraft with pilot and engine oil, but no fuel or weapons load}} || colspan="2" | Wing loading (full fuel)
|-
| colspan="2" | Shenyang Liming WP-6 || 2
| colspan="2" | 6,453 kg || colspan="2" | 290 kg/m2
|-
! colspan="3" | Engine characteristics
! colspan="3" | Mass with fuel (no weapons load) || rowspan="2" | Max Takeoff Weight
|-
! Weight (each) || colspan="2" | Type
! 7m fuel || 20m fuel || 25m fuel
|-
| 725 kg || colspan="2" | Afterburning axial-flow turbojet
| 6,918 kg || 7,783 kg || 8,115 kg || 11,800 kg
|-
! colspan="3" | {{Annotation|Maximum engine thrust @ 0 m (RB / SB)|The maximum thrust produced by each engine, while mounted in the aircraft. NOTE: Thrust varies significantly depending on speed & altitude.}}
! colspan="4" | Thrust to weight ratio @ 0 m (WEP)
|-
! Condition || 100% || WEP
! 7m fuel || 20m fuel || 25m fuel || MTOW
|-
| ''Stationary'' || 2,299 kgf || 3,219 kgf
| 0.93 || 0.83 || 0.79 || 0.55
|-
| ''Optimal'' || 2,323 kgf (1,000 km/h) || 3,285 kgf (1,000 km/h)
| 0.95 || 0.84 || 0.81 || 0.56
|-
|}

=== Survivability and armour ===
{{Specs-Avia-Armour}}


* 10 mm steel plate behind nose cone
* 4.5 + 8 mm bulletproof glass in front of the cockpit
* 8 mm steel plate underneath cockpit
* 16 mm steel armoured pilot's seat
* 10 + 25 mm steel armoured pilot's headrest
* Self-sealing fuel tanks behind cockpit and underneath engines in rear fuselage

The Q-5 protects the pilot from small arms fire and machine guns, but at a battle rating of 9.7, this level of protection does not amount to much. Enemy cannons and missiles will make short work of the Q-5 so avoiding incoming fire is paramount. The twin engines are likely to be damaged by attacks from the rear, but having two of them offers some extra survivability since it is capable of flying back to base on one engine. The elevators also have separate damage models and the aircraft remains somewhat controllable if one of them is blown off.

=== Modifications and economy ===
{{Specs-Economy}}

== Armaments ==
{{Specs-Avia-Armaments}}
=== Offensive armament ===
{{Specs-Avia-Offensive}}

{{main|Type 23-2K (23 mm)}}

The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' is armed with:

* 2 x 23 mm Type 23-2K cannons, wing-mounted (120 rpg = 240 total)

The original 30 mm [[Type 30-1 (30 mm)|Type 30]]/[[NR-30 (30 mm)|NR-30]] cannons, known for their fearsome firepower, have been replaced with 23 mm cannons identical to the [[NR-23 (23 mm)|NR-23]] cannons found on earlier Soviet jets like the [[J-4]]/[[MiG-17]]. These are significantly less powerful due to their lower explosive content, kinetic damage, and muzzle velocity. They typically require a solid burst of hits to destroy a target instead of dismembering enemy fighters with a brief touch. On the bright side, they have more ammunition with about 8 seconds of firing time and the Q-5 early's opponents tend to be slower than the J-6A's. Lead generously and try to get close to your opponent before unloading. Using them against ground targets should not be a priority since their penetration is no higher than a heavy machine gun and the ammo supply is not plentiful, all things considered.

The default belt has an even mix of FI-T and AP-I rounds and should be satisfactory from the start. Gun convergence is not a major issue since the cannons are mounted close to the centerline of the aircraft in the wing roots, and is up to personal preference.

=== Suspended armament ===
{{Specs-Avia-Suspended}}

{{main|Type 250-2 (250 kg)|Type 90-1}}

The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' can be outfitted with the following ordnance presets:

* Without load
* 4 x 250 kg Type 250-2 bombs (1,000 kg total)
* 14 x Type 90-1 rockets

==== Custom loadout options ====
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="100%"
|-
! !! width="9%" | 1 !! width="9%" | 2 !! width="9%" | 3 !! width="9%" | 4 !! width="9%" | 5
| rowspan="3" width="25%" | <div class="ttx-image">[[File:Hardpoints_{{PAGENAME}}.png]]</div>
|-
! 250 kg Type 250-2 bombs
| || 1 || 2 || 1 ||
|-
! Type 90-1 rockets
| 7 || || || || 7
|-
|}

The Q-5 early's suspended armaments are an improvement over the J-6A, but nothing spectacular. It can carry four 250 kg bombs, two mounted on fuselage hardpoints and two mounted in the internal bomb bay. These are small for the Q-5's battle rating and four of them is not enough to destroy a single base. In mixed battles, they require more precision against ground targets than the typical 1000 lb/500 kg bombs used for CAS.

In addition to the bombs, it can carry a pair of 90 mm rocket pods with seven rockets each. The Type 90-1 rockets are better than the anemic S-5 rockets used by typical Soviet jets and can penetrate 280 mm of armour with 1.03 kg of TNT equivalent, but their capacity is very limited; the contemporary [[A-4E Early]] can carry 171 comparable FFAR Mighty Mouse rockets.

== Usage in battles ==

The Q-5 early can be used similarly to the MiG-19 or J-6A. As discussed, it has inferior performance and armament but tends to face easier opposition.

'''Air Battles'''

Although it was historically an attack aircraft, the Q-5 is not a first-rate ground attacker in Air RB since its ordnance is rather anemic compared to other jets at its battle rating. It cannot destroy a base with its four 250 kg bombs, but this is still an option for supplementary research points when grinding: stay at low altitude, loop around to a side base, drop the bombs, then head towards the center of the map to join the furball. Going after AI ground vehicles with the bombs and rockets can also be successful provided that other jets do not arrive quickly to crash the party.

When fighting subsonic aircraft, try to enter engagements with a speed advantage. The Q-5 accelerates well and has a high top speed at sea level, so it's not difficult to make a pass and escape afterwards while dodging some fire. If an enemy is catching up to you or is getting too close for comfort, pull them into a climbing spiral or other vertical maneuvers; the Q-5 has enough of the MiG-19's climb and thrust-to-weight to energy fight in a similar manner and a stalled-out target is easier to gun down. Against supersonic aircraft, the Q-5's speed advantage is lessened and it needs to utilize its turn rate and acceleration more.

The lack of missiles is a significant drawback since the Q-5 has a difficult time forcing escaping enemies to dodge or shooting down stall-climbing opponents. It also has no countermeasures, so if a [[Harrier GR.1]] with SRAAMs manages to get close on the Q-5's tail, the situation is unlikely to end well. The main selling point of this aircraft in air-to-air combat is its performance as opposed to its weapons or defenses; good situational awareness and judgement are necessary to make the most out of it.

Remember to take more than the minimum fuel. The Q-5 early has a limited fuel capacity since the internal bomb bay occupies space otherwise reserved for fuel tanks and the twin engines are very thirsty on afterburner.

'''Mixed ground battles'''

The Type 90-1 rockets can penetrate most targets not equipped with composite armour or ERA. Against protected targets, attacks should be made to the roof, side, or rear. Try using them against soft targets like light tanks and SPAAs that are vulnerable to overpressure. The main drawback to these rockets is their low capacity. Do not expect to score more than one kill or assist unless your aim is exceptional.

The 250 kg 250-2 high-drag bombs, which can be dropped individually, do not have much explosive content and need to be delivered with decent accuracy in order to score kills. In practical use, only dropping all of them is viable (so do remember to set consecutive dropping for bombs to all). Because of the lack of CCIP equipment for ground attack and of the can-like form of the bomb which increases the drag a lot, the only option for it is try to seek for stationary targets, at best grouped targets where 4 x 250 kg bombs can do some fair damage to them. It is suggested to enter the battlefield at higher speed of 700-800 km/h and to open the bomb bay as soon as you've aligned with the target. Although it was called a "high-drag bomb", the 250-2 can still fly a fair amount of distance at higher speed, so dropping them at level flight is destined to a wasteful miss. Instead, climb up and start a 10-15° dive upon the target for best accuracy, leave at least 400 m upon the target, set a 1-second fuse to minimize the risk of both the target and yourself bite the dust. Which also means at maps with hilly terrain, the Type 90-1 would be the safer choice for ground attack as some maps might not have enough clearance to pull up.

After using up the ordnance, which can be done in just one or two passes, the Q-5 can switch into an air superiority role. It can out-accelerate and outmanoeuvre most contemporary fighters and the Ground RB environment makes advantages in top speed or radar-guided missiles less significant. If there are no enemy jets or helicopters around, it is best to return to base and restock on ordnance for another attack run.

Be wary of enemy SPAA while ground attacking or dogfighting. The Q-5 early lacks a radar warning receiver and anti-aircraft cannons or missiles can open fire suddenly. Do not head-on or stall out in full view of an SPAA, and even when the coast appears to be clear, avoid flying in straight lines.

=== Pros and cons ===


'''Pros:'''

* High acceleration
* Good climb rate
* Excellent top speed at sea level
* Fantastic energy retention
* Good ammunition stock
* With some luck, the 23 mm cannons can make quick work of enemy aircraft
* Good sustained manoeuvrability, can out-turn F-4 Phantoms and keep up with MiG-21s
* Well-placed cannons in the wing roots

'''Cons:'''

* Average roll rate
* Tail locks up at high speeds
* Easily beaten in manoeuvrability by most subsonic aircraft
* The 23 mm cannons sometimes fall short in damage
* New players may experience difficulty with aiming the 23 mm cannons of such type (found also on the MiG-15bis and MiG-17)
* Less powerful ordnance than contemporaries like the [[Su-7B]] or [[F-100D]]
* Limited fuel capacity
* No air-to-air missiles

== History ==

[[File:Nanchang Q-5.jpg|thumb|500x500px|An old Nanchang Q-5.]]
The Nanchang Q-5 'Fantan' is a Chinese land-based fighter-bomber, close support aircraft and nuclear strike aircraft. Developed in the early 1950s as a replacement for the ageing Soviet-made [[IL-10 (1946) (China)|IL-10]] attack aircraft, the plane was developed from the MiG-19 airframe. Though it entered service relatively late due to the effects of the Cultural Revolution, it still saw extensive service as the primary attack aircraft of the Chinese Air Force. As well, it was exported to several countries including Pakistan, Bangladesh and Myanmar. Though it has now been retired from active Chinese service, the aircraft remains in service with the Myanmar Air Force.<ref name=":0">Peck, M. (2019)</ref><ref name=":1">Eastern Order of Battle. (n.d.)</ref>

=== Design and development ===
In the early 1950s, China lacked and needed a new ground attack aircraft. While other nations were re-equipping with advanced attack aircraft such as the [[A-4B|A-4 Skyhawk]] and [[F-100A (China)|F-100]] Super Sabre, the Chinese Air Force still used the obsolete propeller-powered IL-10, a relic of the Second World War. As a result, the Chinese Air Force started studying concepts for a new supersonic jet-powered attack aircraft. However, the state of Chinese aircraft technology was far behind other nations, and as a result, existing designs were studied; these included the Soviet [[Su-7B|Su-7]] and [[MiG-19PT|MiG-19]], which was already in service as the [[J-6A|Shenyang J-6]].<ref name=":1" /> As a result, the final design was based on the MiG-19, and shared many of its characteristics.

The Q-5 shared the MiG-19's aft section and engines, but had a completely redesigned forward section making it 25% longer.<ref name=":1" /> As a result, the aircraft had a significantly reduced top speed, though it was still capable of flying supersonic. The nose was redesigned and featured the air intakes on the sides, behind the cockpit, while the cockpit canopy was adjusted as well. The armament was changed to two 23-mm cannons in place of the MiG-19's NR-30s.<ref name=":1" />

The Q-5's construction was delayed due to the effects of the Great Leap Forward and the Cultural Revolution. Thus, the first Q-5 prototype flew on June 4th, 1965.<ref name=":1" />

=== Operational history ===
The Early Q-5 was first introduced into the People's Liberation Army Air Force (PLAAF) in the late 1960s. It served as the primary ground attack aircraft of the Air Force for several years, before being superseded by later variants of the aircraft including the [[Q-5A]]. As such, it was used merely as a stopgap measure until the improved Q-5 variants were introduced. None are still in service, though late-variant Q-5s are still in service with the Myanmar Air Force.<ref name=":0" />

=== [[wt:en/news/6831-development-nanchang-q-5-phoenix-reborn-en|Devblog]] ===
Having started production of the Shenyang J-6 - the Chinese version of the Soviet MiG-19 - in 1958, the PLA issued an order to develop a ground attack version of the aircraft in August of the same year. By 1960, design work on the aircraft had concluded, but political turmoil in the country at the time caused prototype construction and further development to be delayed until the mid 1960's.

In June 1965, the prototype of the aircraft that would become known as the Nanchang Q-5, first took to the skies for its maiden flight. Following further testing, the decision to put the aircraft into production was made in 1969, while first deliveries began being made in 1970.

The Q-5 officially entered service with the Chinese Air Force in 1970. Around 100 aircraft of the early versions were built out of a total of around 1,300 aircraft of all variants. However, later models continued service with Chinese forces well into the 2000's. Apart from the PLA, the Q-5 also saw service with Bangladesh, Pakistan, Myanmar, North Korea and Sudan.

== Media ==


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== See also ==
''Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:''

* ''reference to the series of the aircraft;''
* ''links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.''

== External links ==


* [[wt:en/news/6831-development-nanchang-q-5-phoenix-reborn-en|[Devblog] Nanchang Q-5: Phoenix Reborn]]
* [https://forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/497253-q-5/ Official data sheet - more details about the performance]

=== References ===

;Citations
<references />

;Bibliography

* Peck, M. (2019, October 18). Meet the Nanchang Q-5: China's Nuclear Bomber. Retrieved November 20, 2020, from <nowiki>https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/meet-nanchang-q-5-chinas-nuclear-bomber-89681</nowiki>
* Eastern Order of Battle. (n.d.). Nanchang Q-5 Fantan attack aircraft at the People's Liberation Army Air Force Part One. Retrieved November 20, 2020, from <nowiki>http://www.easternorbat.com/html/nanchang_q-5_fantan_01_eng.html</nowiki>

{{AirManufacturer Nanchang}}
{{China jet aircraft}}

Q-5A

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| link = Q-5 (Family)
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== Description ==

The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a rank {{Specs|rank}} Chinese strike aircraft {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update "New Power"]].

The Q-5A is externally very similar to the [[Q-5 early]] aside from the pure white paint scheme. This variant has several new features: it now has access to flares, a radar warning receiver, and 130 mm high-explosive rockets. The flight performance has also been improved noticeably courtesy of the more powerful engines. This is still not a ground attack aircraft for the faint of heart, but Fantan fans can enjoy the improvements to self-defense and rocket power.

== General info ==
=== Flight performance ===
{{Specs-Avia-Flight}}

The Q-5A weighs negligibly more when empty than the Q-5 early, which is more than compensated by the fact that its engines produce about 15% more thrust. Its top speed is now practically the same as or in some cases slightly better than the J-6A under 10,000 metres. The internal bomb bay has been replaced with a fuel tank and the maximum fuel capacity is now 70% larger.

It still compresses more in dives and has somewhat worse low speed handling than the J-6A, but at reasonable fuel settings the Q-5A comes very close to the J-6A in terms of climb, acceleration, and energy retention. The control compression can be considered its primary weakness: watch the indicated airspeed carefully and remember to throttle back or use airbrakes as needed to ensure that the Q-5A remains controllable. The turn rate and manoeuvring energy retention are quite balanced at high subsonic speeds, which can be used to gain the upper hand in extended dogfights.

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="70%"
! rowspan="2" | Characteristics
! colspan="2" | Max Speed (km/h at 7,000 m)
! rowspan="2" | Max altitude (metres)
! colspan="2" | Turn time (seconds)
! colspan="2" | Rate of climb (metres/second)
! rowspan="2" | Take-off run (metres)
|-
! AB !! RB !! AB !! RB !! AB !! RB
|-
! Stock
| 1,434 || 1,430 || rowspan="2" | {{Specs|ceiling}} || 25.4 || 25.7 || 139.4 || 129.4 || rowspan="2" | 850
|-
! Upgraded
| 1,450 || 1,442 || 24.5 || 24.9 || 187.0 || 161.1
|-
|}

==== Details ====
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="50%"
|-
! colspan="6" | Features
|-
! Combat flaps !! Take-off flaps !! Landing flaps !! Air brakes !! Arrestor gear !! Drogue chute
|-
| X || ✓ || ✓ || ✓ || X || ✓ 
|-
|}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="50%"
|-
! colspan="7" | Limits
|-
! rowspan="2" | Wings (km/h)
! rowspan="2" | Gear (km/h)
! colspan="3" | Flaps (km/h)
! colspan="2" | Max Static G
|-
! Combat !! Take-off !! Landing !! + !! -
|-
| {{Specs|destruction|body}} || {{Specs|destruction|gear}} || N/A || 500 || 450 || ~9 || ~5
|-
|}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="4" | Optimal velocities (km/h)
|-
! Ailerons !! Rudder !! Elevators !! Radiator
|-
| < 540 || < 650 || < 350 || N/A
|-
|}

==== Engine performance ====
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="3" | Engine
! colspan="5" | Aircraft mass
|-
! colspan="2" | Engine name || Number
! colspan="2" | {{Annotation|Basic mass|Mass of the aircraft with pilot and engine oil, but no fuel or weapons load}} || colspan="3" | Wing loading (full fuel)
|-
| colspan="2" | Shenyang Liming WP-6A-III || 2
| colspan="2" | 6,593 kg || colspan="3" | 337 kg/m2
|-
! colspan="3" | Engine characteristics
! colspan="4" | Mass with fuel (no weapons load) || rowspan="2" | Max Takeoff Weight
|-
! Weight (each) || colspan="2" | Type
! 10m fuel || 20m fuel || 30m fuel || 34m fuel
|-
| 725 kg || colspan="2" | Afterburning axial-flow turbojet
| 7,424 kg || 8,256 kg || 9,087 kg || 9,420 kg || 12,500 kg
|-
! colspan="3" | {{Annotation|Maximum engine thrust @ 0 m (RB / SB)|The maximum thrust produced by each engine, while mounted in the aircraft. NOTE: Thrust varies significantly depending on speed & altitude.}}
! colspan="5" | Thrust to weight ratio @ 0 m (WEP)
|-
! Condition || 100% || WEP
! 10m fuel || 20m fuel || 30m fuel || 34m fuel || MTOW
|-
| ''Stationary'' || 2,650 kgf || 3,709 kgf
| 1.00 || 0.90 || 0.82 || 0.79 || 0.59
|-
| ''Optimal'' || 2,677 kgf (1,000 km/h) || 3,786 kgf (1,000 km/h)
| 1.02 || 0.92 || 0.83 || 0.80 || 0.61
|-
|}

=== Survivability and armour ===
{{Specs-Avia-Armour}}


* 10 mm steel plate behind nose cone
* 4.5 + 8 mm bulletproof glass in front of the cockpit
* 8 mm steel plate underneath cockpit
* 16 mm steel armoured pilot's seat
* 10 + 25 mm steel armoured pilot's headrest
* Self-sealing fuel tanks behind cockpit and underneath engines in rear fuselage

The Q-5 protects the pilot from small arms fire, but at a battle rating of 10.0 and up, this level of protection does not amount to much. Enemy cannons and missiles will make short work of the Q-5 so avoiding incoming fire is paramount. The twin engines are likely to be damaged by attacks from the rear, but having two of them offers some extra survivability since it is capable of flying back to base on one engine. The elevators also have separate damage models and the aircraft remains somewhat controllable if one of them is blown off.

=== Modifications and economy ===
{{Specs-Economy}}

== Armaments ==
{{Specs-Avia-Armaments}}
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="4" | [[Ballistic Computer]]
|-
! CCIP (Guns) !! CCIP (Rockets) !! CCIP (Bombs) !! CCRP (Bombs)
|-
| {{Tick}} || {{Tick}} || {{Tick}} || {{Cross}}
|-
|}
=== Offensive armament ===
{{Specs-Avia-Offensive}}

{{main|Type 23-2K (23 mm)}}

The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' is armed with:

* A choice between two presets:
** 2 x 23 mm Type 23-2K cannons, wing-mounted (120 rpg = 240 total)
** 2 x 23 mm Type 23-2K cannons + 18 x countermeasures

As on the Q-5 early, the Q-5A is equipped with 23 mm cannons identical to the [[NR-23 (23 mm)|NR-23]] cannons found on earlier Soviet jets like the [[J-4]]/[[MiG-17]]. These are less powerful than the contemporary J-6A's [[Type 30-1 (30 mm)|Type 30]]/[[NR-30 (30 mm)|NR-30]] cannons due to their lower explosive content, kinetic damage, and muzzle velocity. On the bright side, they have more ammunition with about 8 seconds of firing time. Lead generously and try to get close to your opponent before unloading, with some luck the FI-T rounds can still do decent work. Using them against ground targets should not be a priority since their penetration is no higher than a heavy machine gun and the ammo supply is not plentiful, all things considered, but in a pinch they can still do damage to SPAAs and other targets with very thin armor.

The default belt has an even mix of FI-T and AP-I rounds and should be satisfactory from the start. Gun convergence is not a major issue since the cannons are mounted close to the centerline of the aircraft in the wing roots, and is up to personal preference.

=== Suspended armament ===
{{Specs-Avia-Suspended}}

{{main|Type 250-2 (250 kg)|Type 90-1|Type 130-2}}

The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' can be outfitted with the following ordnance presets:

* Without load
* 4 x 250 kg Type 250-2 bombs (1,000 kg total)
* 14 x Type 90-1 rockets
* 8 x Type 130-2 rockets

==== Custom loadout options ====
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="100%"
|-
! !! width="9%" | 1 !! width="9%" | 2 !! width="9%" | 3 !! width="9%" | 4 !! width="9%" | 5
| rowspan="4" width="25%" | <div class="ttx-image">[[File:Hardpoints_{{PAGENAME}}.png]]</div>
|-
! 250 kg Type 250-2 bombs
| || || 4 || ||
|-
! Type 90-1 rockets
| || 7 || || 7 ||
|-
! Type 130-2 rockets
| 4 || || || || 4
|-
|}

The Q-5A has access to all of the loadouts of the Q-5 early, the difference being that it can equip two rocket pods with four 130 mm Type 130-2 rockets each in lieu of the 90 mm Type 90-1 rockets. The 130 mm rockets have the same ballistics as the 90 mm rockets, travelling at 610 m/s, but instead of HEAT warheads they pack HE warheads with 7.68 kg of TNT equivalent each, roughly comparable to the US [[Zuni Mk32 Mod 0 ATAP|Zuni]] rocket. A direct hit to the turret and hull roof armour of a MBT can cause catastrophic or fatal damage. Side aspect shots can be questionable, especially against Soviet MBTs with thick side armour. Lightly armoured targets should be annihilated if hit anywhere. The capacity of four salvos is very limited.

The Type 90-1 rockets are better than the anaemic S-5 rockets used by typical Soviet jets and can penetrate 280 mm of armour with 1.03 kg of TNT equivalent, but typically several hits are required to destroy an armoured target due to the lower post-penetration effect. The total of seven salvos is significantly greater than the Type 130-2 rockets but still unimpressive for its rank.

The four 250 kg bombs should be familiar to anyone who has used the Q-5 early, but the Q-5A does not have an internal bomb bay and all four are mounted on fuselage hardpoints instead. This causes more drag but the pilot no longer has to worry about manually opening the bomb bay. These are small for the Q-5's battle rating and four of them is not enough to destroy a single base. In mixed battles, they require more precision against ground targets than the typical 1,000 lb/500 kg bombs used for CAS.

== Usage in battles ==


Although it was historically an attack aircraft, the Q-5 is not a first-rate ground attacker in Air RB since its ordnance is rather anaemic compared to other jets at its battle rating. It cannot destroy a base with its four 250 kg bombs, but this is still an option for supplementary research points when grinding: stay at low altitude, loop around to a side base, drop the bombs, then head towards the center of the map to join the furball. Going after AI ground vehicles with the bombs and rockets can also be successful provided that other jets do not arrive quickly to crash the party.

The Q-5A can outrun many of the enemy fighters it faces, but active combat at transonic or supersonic speeds should be avoided because of the control compression. The best way to reverse enemies is to pull them into a climbing spiral or other vertical manoeuvres; the Q-5 has enough of the MiG-19's climb and thrust-to-weight characteristics to energy fight in a similar manner, the declining airspeed relaxes the control compression, and a stalled-out target is easier to gun down. It should be obvious that actual MiG-19 models such as the [[MiG-19S (Germany)|German MiG-19S]] are better than the Q-5A in almost every regard when it comes to air-to-air combat. Be very careful about engaging them.

Take advantage of the flares and RWR. Flares are intended to spoof infrared guided missiles. For best results, deploy them in bursts while cutting the afterburner and making evasive manoeuvres, which will hopefully cause the missile to chase a flare instead. Only 18 flares can be carried in total, which is really not much compared to the [[A-4E Early|A-4E]]'s 60 for example. Definitely use them against dangerous missiles that cannot be evaded easily such as the [[R-60]] or [[AIM-9G]], as they will buy time for reversing the target and can save the Q-5A during energy-draining vertical combat. Missiles with limited manoeuvrability or track rates can be dodged with good manoeuvring. The Q-5A can load chaff countermeasures in addition to flares, but they should generally be ignored since the only fighters with radar-guided missiles in its BR range are the [[F3H-2|F3H-2 Demon]] and [[F-4C|F-4C Phantom]] with their primitive AIM-7C/AIM-7Ds.

The RWR will not stop any missiles by itself, but knowing if there are pursuers or radar locks behind you reduces the chance of being surprised by a missile or cannon burst out of nowhere. The RWR is not a replacement for situational awareness, it is still the pilot's duty to look for approaching enemies and missile launches whenever possible.

'''Ground RB'''

Like the Q-5 early, the Q-5A is a light ground attacker whose rockets are limited in capacity and whose bombs are limited in power. It's generally best to use up the rockets and bombs in one or two passes, then switch to providing air cover. If there are no enemy aircraft or helicopters around, the Q-5A can quickly zoom back to the airfield and restock its weapons for another run. Keep in mind that Q-5A and its modification Q-5IA currently has no CCIP capabilities, therefore pilots need exceptional skill to drop bombs or unleashing rockets to finish enemies once and for all.

The Q-5A has a choice between 90 mm and 130 mm rockets. The former have almost twice the ammunition and the latter are more lethal. The 90 mm rockets have HEAT warheads and can be used successfully from many angles provided that enough hits are landed to knock out crew members. The 130 mm rockets can knock out light vehicles with a single impact from any aspect, but against targets with decent protection, it is important to aim for weak zones like roofs to ensure that the explosion can trigger overpressure damage. The ballistic computer helps landing accurate on targets from above.

The 250kg Type 250-2 bombs, which again appeared on Q-5A, do not have much explosive content and need to be delivered with decent accuracy in order to score kills; practically, only drop all the bombs at once is viable for a solid kill. In Q-5A's case, the addition of the belly fuel tank located in the previous bomb bay caused designers to move the pair of internal bomb racks onto the belly as well; which does help Q-5A for better accuracy with a tighter radius. It is suggest to enter the battlefield with a 1-second fuze, at around 700 km/h and shallow dive upon the target at around 15°, then release the bombs at around 400m from target; this will make sure these 4 bombs pick-off stationary targets or groups of tanks if they are too close. Like his predecessor, in case of a complicated maps with hills or urban maps, rockets would be a safer choice to harass or destroy enemies without risking yourself diving in and crash into objects accidentally.

The Q-5A's radar warning receiver can help detect SPAA vehicles, but be sure to visually inspect the battlefield as well. Some players turn off their radars for greater stealth and some SPAAs lack radars entirely. The majority of SAMs are manually guided by their operators and thus flares will not work against them; the main exceptions are the Japanese [[Type 93]] and the Italian [[SIDAM 25 (Mistral)]]. Do not head-on or stall out in full view of an SPAA, and even when the coast appears to be clear, avoid flying in straight lines.

=== Pros and cons ===


'''Pros:'''

* High acceleration, great energy retention, and decent climb rate
* Faster than the Q-5 early
* Good ammunition stock
* Good sustained manoeuvrability, can out-turn F-4 Phantoms and keep up with MiG-21s
* First aircraft in the Chinese tech tree to have flares
* Has a radar warning receiver
* 130 mm rockets pack quite a punch against ground targets when detonating on target
* Ballistic computer for gun, rockets, and bombs

'''Cons:'''

* Gun-fighter only, still no missiles
* Average roll rate
* Tail locks up at high speeds
* Easily beaten in manoeuvrability by subsonic aircraft
* The 23 mm cannons sometimes fall short in damage, less lethal than J-6A's 30 mm cannons
* Ordnance capacity is still below average for its rank

== History ==

The Nanchang Q-5A 'Fantan' was the first variant of the Chinese ground attack aircraft, which has seen over 50 years of continuous service.<ref name=":0">Peck, M. (2019)</ref> Developed in the early 1950s as a replacement for ageing Soviet-made [[IL-10 (1946) (China)|IL-10]] attack aircraft, the plane was developed from the MiG-19 airframe. Though it entered service relatively late due to the effects of the Cultural Revolution, it still saw extensive service as the primary attack aircraft of the Chinese Air Force. As well, it was exported to several countries including Pakistan, Bangladesh, and Myanmar. Though it has now been retired from active Chinese service, the aircraft remains in service with the Myanmar Air Force.<ref name=":0" /><ref name=":1">Eastern Order of Battle. (n.d.)</ref>

=== Design and development ===
In the early 1950s, China lacked and needed a new ground attack aircraft. While other nations were re-equipping with advanced attack aircraft such as the [[A-4B|A-4 Skyhawk]] and [[F-100A (China)|F-100 Super Sabre]], the Chinese Air Force still used the obsolete propeller-powered IL-10, a relic of the Second World War. As a result, the Chinese Air Force started studying concepts for a new supersonic jet-powered attack aircraft. As the state of Chinese aircraft technology was far behind from other nations, and as a result, existing designs were studied; these included the Soviet [[Su-7B|Su-7]] and [[MiG-19PT|MiG-19]], which was already in service as the Shenyang J-6.<ref name=":1" /> As a result, the final design was based on the MiG-19, and shared many of its characteristics.<ref name=":1" />

The Q-5 shared the MiG-19's aft section and engines, but had a completely redesigned forward section making it 25% longer.<ref name=":1" /> As a result, the aircraft had a significantly reduced top speed, though it was still capable of flying supersonic. The nose was redesigned and featured the air intakes on the sides, behind the cockpit, while the cockpit canopy was adjusted as well. The armament was changed to two 23 mm cannons in place of the MiG-19's NR-30s.<ref name=":1" />

The Q-5's construction was delayed due to the effects of the Great Leap Forward and the Cultural Revolution. Thus, the first Q-5 prototype flew on June 4th, 1965.<ref name=":1" />

=== Operational history ===
[[File:Q5 parked.png|thumb|300x300px|Nanchang Q-5 in reflective white paint scheme.]]
The first Q-5As entered in the early 1970s in limited quantities, followed by mass-scale production. Over the course of a decade, almost 600 Q-5A airframes were built. As well, a small number of Q-5As were modified to carry a single nuclear bomb semi-recessed in the fuselage; one of the modified aircraft was indeed used in this manner in a nuclear bomb test in January of 1972.<ref name=":2">Staff Writer. (2020)</ref> The Q-5As used in this role are easily identifiable because of the bright-white anti-flash paint scheme that protected the aircraft from nuclear flash.<ref name=":1" /><ref name=":2" />

The Q-5A saw little combat action due to its relatively short time in service before being superseded by later variants of the aircraft. However, modified Q-5As remained the backbone of China's tactical nuclear strike force for several years. Though it has since been superseded in the nuclear and conventional strike role by the JH-7 Flying Leopard, late variants of the Q-5 remain in service with the Myanmar Air Force.<ref name=":0" /><ref name=":1" />

== Media ==


;Skins

* [https://live.warthunder.com/feed/camouflages/?vehicle=q_5a Skins and camouflages for the {{PAGENAME}} from live.warthunder.com.]

;Videos
{{Youtube-gallery|YMhIrdAFQ9g|'''Are You ready for pain? Q-5A - China - Review!''' - ''Jengar''}}

== See also ==

''Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:''

* ''reference to the series of the aircraft;''
* ''links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.''

== External links ==


* [https://forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/504161-q-5a/ Official data sheet - more details about the performance]

=== References ===
<references />

=== Works Cited ===

* Peck, M. (2019, October 18). Meet the Nanchang Q-5: China's Nuclear Bomber. Retrieved November 20, 2020, from <nowiki>https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/meet-nanchang-q-5-chinas-nuclear-bomber-89681</nowiki>
* Eastern Order of Battle. (n.d.). Nanchang Q-5 Fantan attack aircraft at the People's Liberation Army Air Force Part One. Retrieved November 20, 2020, from <nowiki>http://www.easternorbat.com/html/nanchang_q-5_fantan_01_eng.html</nowiki>
* Staff Writer. (2020, April 27). Nanchang Q-5 (Fantan) Ground Attack / Close-Air Support (CAS) Aircraft. Retrieved November 20, 2020, from <nowiki>https://www.militaryfactory.com/aircraft/detail.asp?aircraft_id=568</nowiki>

{{AirManufacturer Nanchang}}
{{China jet aircraft}}

Q-5L

2022-11-12T00:01:14Z

U21187496: /* Survivability and armour */ Values of seat and headrest armor were swaped with each other.

{{Specs-Card
|code=q_5l
|images={{Specs-Card-Image|GarageImage_{{PAGENAME}}.jpg}}
}}

== Description ==

The '''{{Specs|name}}''' (NATO: Fantan) is a rank {{Specs|rank}} Chinese strike aircraft {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update "Fire and Ice"]].

One of the latest revisions of the Q-5 series in PLAAF , the Q-5L will prove deadly to ground targets with its sufficient payload and updates to its avionics and new sensors for ground attacks, as well as new precision bombs.

== General info ==
=== Flight performance ===
{{Specs-Avia-Flight}}

For players who have flown the Q-5 series, Q-5L still retains the same flight performance - although sharing many parts with the [[J-6A]], due to the lack of weight-reduction measures, Q-5s are in fact structurally overweight; while it has better sustained turn to heavier jets such as Phantoms thanks to its engines, do note that the weight issue still haunts the jet. Beware of any targets that have higher manoeuvrability, although your higher speed might save you from subsonic jets, any supersonic jets will have no problem chasing a Q-5L. Another note is that the Q-5L still retains the same control surface lock-up at transonic speeds (>850 km/h and before hitting Mach 1.0), use the airbrakes according to the situation for both regaining control or "snap-shots" on enemy targets.

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="70%"
! rowspan="2" | Characteristics
! colspan="2" | Max speed (km/h at _,___ m)
! rowspan="2" | Max altitude (metres)
! colspan="2" | Turn time (seconds)
! colspan="2" | Rate of climb (metres/second)
! rowspan="2" | Take-off run (metres)
|-
! AB !! RB !! AB !! RB !! AB !! RB
|-
! Stock
| ___ || ___ || rowspan="2" | {{Specs|ceiling}} || __._ || __._ || __._ || __._ || rowspan="2" |850
|-
! Upgraded
| ___ || ___ || __._ || __._ || __._ || __._
|-
|}

==== Details ====
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="50%"
|-
! colspan="6" | Features
|-
! Combat flaps !! Take-off flaps !! Landing flaps !! Air brakes !! Arrestor gear !! Drogue chute
|-
| _ || _ || _ || _ || _ || _ 
|-
|}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="50%"
|-
! colspan="7" | Limits
|-
! rowspan="2" | Wings (km/h)
! rowspan="2" | Gear (km/h)
! colspan="3" | Flaps (km/h)
! colspan="2" | Max Static G
|-
! Combat !! Take-off !! Landing !! + !! -
|-
| {{Specs|destruction|body}} || {{Specs|destruction|gear}} || ___ || ___ || ___ || ~__ || ~__
|-
|}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="4" | Optimal velocities (km/h)
|-
! Ailerons !! Rudder !! Elevators !! Radiator
|-
| < ___ || < ___ || < ___ || N/A
|-
|}

==== Engine performance ====
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="3" | Engine
! colspan="4" | Aircraft mass
|-
! colspan="2" | Engine name || Number
! colspan="2" | {{Annotation|Basic mass|Mass of the aircraft with pilot and engine oil, but no fuel or weapons load}} || colspan="2" | Wing loading (full fuel)
|-
| colspan="2" | _____ || _
| colspan="2" | _,___ kg || colspan="2" | ___ kg/m2
|-
! colspan="3" | Engine characteristics
! colspan="3" | Mass with fuel (no weapons load) || rowspan="2" | {{Annotation|Max Gross Weight|Mass of the fully equipped aircraft with heaviest weapons load}}
|-
! Weight (each) || colspan="2" | Type
! _m fuel || __m fuel || __m fuel
|-
| ___ kg || colspan="2" | ___
| _,___ kg || _,___ kg || _,___ kg || _,___ kg
|-
! colspan="3" | {{Annotation|Maximum engine thrust @ 0 m (RB/SB)|The maximum thrust produced by each engine, while mounted in the aircraft. NOTE: Thrust varies significantly depending on speed & altitude.}}
! colspan="4" | Thrust to weight ratio @ 0 m (___%/WEP)
|-
! Condition || 100% || ___%/WEP
! _m fuel || __m fuel || __m fuel || MGW
|-
| ''Stationary'' || ___ kgf || ___ kgf
| _.__ || _.__ || _.__ || _.__
|-
| ''Optimal'' || ___ kgf (_ km/h) || ___ kgf (_ km/h)
| _.__ || _.__ || _.__ || _.__
|-
|}

=== Survivability and armour ===
{{Specs-Avia-Armour}}


* 10 mm steel plate behind nose cone
* 4.5 + 8 mm bulletproof glass in front of the cockpit
* 8 mm steel plate underneath cockpit
* 16 mm steel armoured pilot's seat
* 10 + 25 mm steel armoured pilot's headrest
* Self-sealing fuel tanks behind cockpit and underneath engines in rear fuselage

The Q-5L shares the same protection as its predecessors. Due to the need for ground attack and some protection for the pilot, the cockpit is enclosed by steel plates and comes with bulletproof glass. While this might not be sufficient against any autocannons at the rank, it could at least make sure the pilot will not be knocked out right away by incoming shots or shrapnel. The engines are still unprotected, but the installation of fire suppression systems allows the Q-5L to have greater odds to survive a fire onboard.

=== Modifications and economy ===
{{Specs-Economy}}

== Armaments ==
{{Specs-Avia-Armaments}}
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="4" | [[Ballistic Computer]]
|-
! CCIP (Guns) !! CCIP (Rockets) !! CCIP (Bombs) !! CCRP (Bombs)
|-
| {{Tick}} || {{Tick}} || {{Tick}} || {{Tick}}
|-
|}
=== Offensive armament ===
{{Specs-Avia-Offensive}}

{{main|Type 23-2K (23 mm)}}

The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' is armed with:

* 2 x 23 mm Type 23-2K cannons, wing-mounted (120 rpg = 240 total)

=== Suspended armament ===
{{Specs-Avia-Suspended}}

{{main|250-3 (250 kg)|500-3 (500 kg)|TS250 (260 kg)|LS-500J (570 kg)}}
{{main|Type 90-1|Type 130-2}}

The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' can be outfitted with the following ordnance presets:

* Without load
* 28 x Type 90-1 rockets
* 16 x Type 130-2 rockets
* 2 x 260 kg TS250 bombs (520 kg total)
* 2 x 570 kg LS-500J bombs (1,140 kg total)
* 8 x 250 kg 250-3 bombs (2,000 kg total)
* 2 x 500 kg 500-3 bombs (1,000 kg total)

==== Custom loadout options ====
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="100%"
|-
! !! width="6%" | 1 !! width="6%" | 2 !! width="6%" | 3 !! width="6%" | 4 !! width="6%" | 5 !! width="6%" | 6 !! width="6%" | 7
| rowspan="8" width="30%" | <div class="ttx-image">[[File:Hardpoints_{{PAGENAME}}.png]]</div>
|-
! 250 kg 250-3 bombs
| 1 || 1 || || 4 || || 1 || 1
|-
! 500 kg 500-3 bombs
| || 1 || || || || 1 ||
|-
! 260 kg TS250 bombs
| || 1* || || || || 1* ||
|-
! 570 kg LS-500J bombs
| || 1* || || || || 1* ||
|-
! Type 90-1 rockets
| || 7 || 7 || || 7 || 7 ||
|-
! Type 130-2 rockets
| || 4 || 4 || || 4 || 4 ||
|-
! K/PSZ-01
| || || || 1* || || ||
|-
| colspan="9" | * The K/PSZ-01 targeting pod must be carried when equipping laser guided bombs
|}

== Usage in battles ==

''Describe the tactics of playing in the aircraft, the features of using aircraft in a team and advice on tactics. Refrain from creating a "guide" - do not impose a single point of view, but instead, give the reader food for thought. Examine the most dangerous enemies and give recommendations on fighting them. If necessary, note the specifics of the game in different modes (AB, RB, SB).''

=== Pros and cons ===


'''Pros:'''

* New HUD with ballistic computer
* Built-in TVD camera for target acquisition; alternatively equipped with an advanced targeting pod
* Access to 250/500 kg guided bombs
* Sufficient manoeuvrability at around 700 km/h
* Great acceleration thanks to the WP-6-IIIA engines
* Access to RWR

'''Cons:'''

* Same bulky airframe as all its predecessors and still locks up at transonic speeds
* The built-in camera only has 1.5x magnification
* Lacks any type of AAM and countermeasures, unlike its technological predecessor [[A-5C]]
* Type 23-2K cannons needs extra practice against aerial targets
* Subpar payload to its NATO/Warsaw Pact counterparts

== History ==

''Describe the history of the creation and combat usage of the aircraft in more detail than in the introduction. If the historical reference turns out to be too long, take it to a separate article, taking a link to the article about the vehicle and adding a block "/History" (example: <nowiki>https://wiki.warthunder.com/(Vehicle-name)/History</nowiki>) and add a link to it here using the <code>main</code> template. Be sure to reference text and sources by using <code><nowiki><ref></ref></nowiki></code>, as well as adding them at the end of the article with <code><nowiki><references /></nowiki></code>. This section may also include the vehicle's dev blog entry (if applicable) and the in-game encyclopedia description (under <code><nowiki>=== In-game description ===</nowiki></code>, also if applicable).''

== Media ==

''Excellent additions to the article would be video guides, screenshots from the game, and photos.''

== See also ==

''Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:''

* ''reference to the series of the aircraft;''
* ''links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.''

== External links ==

''Paste links to sources and external resources, such as:''

* ''topic on the official game forum;''
* ''other literature.''

{{China jet aircraft}}

Q-5L

2022-11-11T23:59:20Z

U21187496: /* Survivability and armour */ its not 60mm bulletproof glass but 4.5 + 8mm, two layer, bulletproof glass.

{{Specs-Card
|code=q_5l
|images={{Specs-Card-Image|GarageImage_{{PAGENAME}}.jpg}}
}}

== Description ==

The '''{{Specs|name}}''' (NATO: Fantan) is a rank {{Specs|rank}} Chinese strike aircraft {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update "Fire and Ice"]].

One of the latest revisions of the Q-5 series in PLAAF , the Q-5L will prove deadly to ground targets with its sufficient payload and updates to its avionics and new sensors for ground attacks, as well as new precision bombs.

== General info ==
=== Flight performance ===
{{Specs-Avia-Flight}}

For players who have flown the Q-5 series, Q-5L still retains the same flight performance - although sharing many parts with the [[J-6A]], due to the lack of weight-reduction measures, Q-5s are in fact structurally overweight; while it has better sustained turn to heavier jets such as Phantoms thanks to its engines, do note that the weight issue still haunts the jet. Beware of any targets that have higher manoeuvrability, although your higher speed might save you from subsonic jets, any supersonic jets will have no problem chasing a Q-5L. Another note is that the Q-5L still retains the same control surface lock-up at transonic speeds (>850 km/h and before hitting Mach 1.0), use the airbrakes according to the situation for both regaining control or "snap-shots" on enemy targets.

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="70%"
! rowspan="2" | Characteristics
! colspan="2" | Max speed (km/h at _,___ m)
! rowspan="2" | Max altitude (metres)
! colspan="2" | Turn time (seconds)
! colspan="2" | Rate of climb (metres/second)
! rowspan="2" | Take-off run (metres)
|-
! AB !! RB !! AB !! RB !! AB !! RB
|-
! Stock
| ___ || ___ || rowspan="2" | {{Specs|ceiling}} || __._ || __._ || __._ || __._ || rowspan="2" |850
|-
! Upgraded
| ___ || ___ || __._ || __._ || __._ || __._
|-
|}

==== Details ====
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="50%"
|-
! colspan="6" | Features
|-
! Combat flaps !! Take-off flaps !! Landing flaps !! Air brakes !! Arrestor gear !! Drogue chute
|-
| _ || _ || _ || _ || _ || _ 
|-
|}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="50%"
|-
! colspan="7" | Limits
|-
! rowspan="2" | Wings (km/h)
! rowspan="2" | Gear (km/h)
! colspan="3" | Flaps (km/h)
! colspan="2" | Max Static G
|-
! Combat !! Take-off !! Landing !! + !! -
|-
| {{Specs|destruction|body}} || {{Specs|destruction|gear}} || ___ || ___ || ___ || ~__ || ~__
|-
|}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="4" | Optimal velocities (km/h)
|-
! Ailerons !! Rudder !! Elevators !! Radiator
|-
| < ___ || < ___ || < ___ || N/A
|-
|}

==== Engine performance ====
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="3" | Engine
! colspan="4" | Aircraft mass
|-
! colspan="2" | Engine name || Number
! colspan="2" | {{Annotation|Basic mass|Mass of the aircraft with pilot and engine oil, but no fuel or weapons load}} || colspan="2" | Wing loading (full fuel)
|-
| colspan="2" | _____ || _
| colspan="2" | _,___ kg || colspan="2" | ___ kg/m2
|-
! colspan="3" | Engine characteristics
! colspan="3" | Mass with fuel (no weapons load) || rowspan="2" | {{Annotation|Max Gross Weight|Mass of the fully equipped aircraft with heaviest weapons load}}
|-
! Weight (each) || colspan="2" | Type
! _m fuel || __m fuel || __m fuel
|-
| ___ kg || colspan="2" | ___
| _,___ kg || _,___ kg || _,___ kg || _,___ kg
|-
! colspan="3" | {{Annotation|Maximum engine thrust @ 0 m (RB/SB)|The maximum thrust produced by each engine, while mounted in the aircraft. NOTE: Thrust varies significantly depending on speed & altitude.}}
! colspan="4" | Thrust to weight ratio @ 0 m (___%/WEP)
|-
! Condition || 100% || ___%/WEP
! _m fuel || __m fuel || __m fuel || MGW
|-
| ''Stationary'' || ___ kgf || ___ kgf
| _.__ || _.__ || _.__ || _.__
|-
| ''Optimal'' || ___ kgf (_ km/h) || ___ kgf (_ km/h)
| _.__ || _.__ || _.__ || _.__
|-
|}

=== Survivability and armour ===
{{Specs-Avia-Armour}}


* 10 mm steel plate behind nose cone
* 4.5 + 8 mm bulletproof glass in front of the cockpit
* 8 mm steel plate underneath cockpit
* 25 mm steel armoured pilot's seat
* 10 + 16 mm steel armoured pilot's headrest
* Self-sealing fuel tanks behind cockpit and underneath engines in rear fuselage

The Q-5L shares the same protection as its predecessors. Due to the need for ground attack and some protection for the pilot, the cockpit is enclosed by steel plates and comes with bulletproof glass. While this might not be sufficient against any autocannons at the rank, it could at least make sure the pilot will not be knocked out right away by incoming shots or shrapnel. The engines are still unprotected, but the installation of fire suppression systems allows the Q-5L to have greater odds to survive a fire onboard.

=== Modifications and economy ===
{{Specs-Economy}}

== Armaments ==
{{Specs-Avia-Armaments}}
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="4" | [[Ballistic Computer]]
|-
! CCIP (Guns) !! CCIP (Rockets) !! CCIP (Bombs) !! CCRP (Bombs)
|-
| {{Tick}} || {{Tick}} || {{Tick}} || {{Tick}}
|-
|}
=== Offensive armament ===
{{Specs-Avia-Offensive}}

{{main|Type 23-2K (23 mm)}}

The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' is armed with:

* 2 x 23 mm Type 23-2K cannons, wing-mounted (120 rpg = 240 total)

=== Suspended armament ===
{{Specs-Avia-Suspended}}

{{main|250-3 (250 kg)|500-3 (500 kg)|TS250 (260 kg)|LS-500J (570 kg)}}
{{main|Type 90-1|Type 130-2}}

The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' can be outfitted with the following ordnance presets:

* Without load
* 28 x Type 90-1 rockets
* 16 x Type 130-2 rockets
* 2 x 260 kg TS250 bombs (520 kg total)
* 2 x 570 kg LS-500J bombs (1,140 kg total)
* 8 x 250 kg 250-3 bombs (2,000 kg total)
* 2 x 500 kg 500-3 bombs (1,000 kg total)

==== Custom loadout options ====
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="100%"
|-
! !! width="6%" | 1 !! width="6%" | 2 !! width="6%" | 3 !! width="6%" | 4 !! width="6%" | 5 !! width="6%" | 6 !! width="6%" | 7
| rowspan="8" width="30%" | <div class="ttx-image">[[File:Hardpoints_{{PAGENAME}}.png]]</div>
|-
! 250 kg 250-3 bombs
| 1 || 1 || || 4 || || 1 || 1
|-
! 500 kg 500-3 bombs
| || 1 || || || || 1 ||
|-
! 260 kg TS250 bombs
| || 1* || || || || 1* ||
|-
! 570 kg LS-500J bombs
| || 1* || || || || 1* ||
|-
! Type 90-1 rockets
| || 7 || 7 || || 7 || 7 ||
|-
! Type 130-2 rockets
| || 4 || 4 || || 4 || 4 ||
|-
! K/PSZ-01
| || || || 1* || || ||
|-
| colspan="9" | * The K/PSZ-01 targeting pod must be carried when equipping laser guided bombs
|}

== Usage in battles ==

''Describe the tactics of playing in the aircraft, the features of using aircraft in a team and advice on tactics. Refrain from creating a "guide" - do not impose a single point of view, but instead, give the reader food for thought. Examine the most dangerous enemies and give recommendations on fighting them. If necessary, note the specifics of the game in different modes (AB, RB, SB).''

=== Pros and cons ===


'''Pros:'''

* New HUD with ballistic computer
* Built-in TVD camera for target acquisition; alternatively equipped with an advanced targeting pod
* Access to 250/500 kg guided bombs
* Sufficient manoeuvrability at around 700 km/h
* Great acceleration thanks to the WP-6-IIIA engines
* Access to RWR

'''Cons:'''

* Same bulky airframe as all its predecessors and still locks up at transonic speeds
* The built-in camera only has 1.5x magnification
* Lacks any type of AAM and countermeasures, unlike its technological predecessor [[A-5C]]
* Type 23-2K cannons needs extra practice against aerial targets
* Subpar payload to its NATO/Warsaw Pact counterparts

== History ==

''Describe the history of the creation and combat usage of the aircraft in more detail than in the introduction. If the historical reference turns out to be too long, take it to a separate article, taking a link to the article about the vehicle and adding a block "/History" (example: <nowiki>https://wiki.warthunder.com/(Vehicle-name)/History</nowiki>) and add a link to it here using the <code>main</code> template. Be sure to reference text and sources by using <code><nowiki><ref></ref></nowiki></code>, as well as adding them at the end of the article with <code><nowiki><references /></nowiki></code>. This section may also include the vehicle's dev blog entry (if applicable) and the in-game encyclopedia description (under <code><nowiki>=== In-game description ===</nowiki></code>, also if applicable).''

== Media ==

''Excellent additions to the article would be video guides, screenshots from the game, and photos.''

== See also ==

''Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:''

* ''reference to the series of the aircraft;''
* ''links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.''

== External links ==

''Paste links to sources and external resources, such as:''

* ''topic on the official game forum;''
* ''other literature.''

{{China jet aircraft}}

Ki-67-I otsu

2022-11-02T21:51:59Z

U21187496: added meter conversion to feets

{{About
| about = Japanese bomber '''{{PAGENAME}}'''
| usage = the other version
| link = Ki-67-I Ko
}}
{{Specs-Card
|code=ki_67_1_otsu
|images={{Specs-Card-Image|GarageImage_{{PAGENAME}}.jpg|ArtImage_{{PAGENAME}}.png}}
}}

== Description ==

[[File:Ki67-in-flight.png|thumb|Ki-67 in flight]]

The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a rank {{Specs|rank}} Japanese bomber {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update 1.67 "Assault"]]. The Ki-67 otsu excels in many roles in which other Japanese bombers fail to live up to. This is one of the most formidable medium bombers out there, as it is fast, has great defensive capabilities, can mount a wide array of bombs and torpedoes, and has really good survivability. The Ki-67 otsu has a wide variety of roles, but its main role is actually a frontline bomber, as it can destroy pillboxes and other high value ground units. Its payload isn't designed to target bases, so it is advisable to target individual ground targets. The Ki-67 otsu differs from the previous model, the Ki-67 Ko, in rear of the aircraft. The Ki-67 otsu has a double tail gun configuration, giving it more defensive capabilities.

== General info ==
=== Flight performance ===
{{Specs-Avia-Flight}}

[[File:Ki67-bombing.png|thumb|Ki-67 dropping bombs]]

The flight performance of this plane is extremely smooth. The Ki-67 can turn really well for a bomber. It has a high rip speed of around 650 km/h. It has excellent acceleration and speed as well, so it can outrun some pursuing fighters. The Ki-67 otsu performs identically to the Ki-67 ko. It is also important to note that this aircraft is equipped with radial engines, which won't overheat under the WEP setting.

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="70%"
! rowspan="2" | Characteristics
! colspan="2" | Max Speed (km/h at 5,150 m)
! rowspan="2" | Max altitude (metres)
! colspan="2" | Turn time (seconds)
! colspan="2" | Rate of climb (metres/second)
! rowspan="2" | Take-off run (metres)
|-
! AB !! RB !! AB !! RB !! AB !! RB
|-
! Stock
| 483 || 466 || rowspan="2" | {{Specs|ceiling}} || 31.0 || 31.8 || 10.0 || 10.0 || rowspan="2" | 650
|-
! Upgraded
| 528 || 502 || 29.0 || 30.0 || 16.0 || 12.5
|-
|}

==== Details ====
[[File:Ki67-in-formation.png|thumb|Ki-67s in formation]]
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="50%"
|-
! colspan="5" | Features
|-
! Combat flaps !! Take-off flaps !! Landing flaps !! Air brakes !! Arrestor gear
|-
| ✓ || ✓ || ✓ || X || X 
|-
|}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="50%"
|-
! colspan="7" | Limits
|-
! rowspan="2" | Wings (km/h)
! rowspan="2" | Gear (km/h)
! colspan="3" | Flaps (km/h)
! colspan="2" | Max Static G
|-
! Combat !! Take-off !! Landing !! + !! -
|-
| {{Specs|destruction|body}} || {{Specs|destruction|gear}} || 427 || 398 || 250 || ~5 || ~1
|-
|}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="4" | Optimal velocities (km/h)
|-
! Ailerons !! Rudder !! Elevators !! Radiator
|-
| < 360 || < 360 || < 360 || > 313
|-
|}

=== Survivability and armour ===
{{Specs-Avia-Armour}}


* 70 mm Bulletproof glass - Armoured windscreen
* 12.7 mm steel plate in the nose - protecting pilots
* 15.8 mm steel plate pilot seat
* 15.8 mm steel plate in mid fuselage - protecting dorsal gunner
* 7.9 mm steel plate in tail (belly only)
* Self sealing fuel tanks (in wings and mid fuselage)

The Ki-67 is one of the most sturdy Japanese aircraft in War Thunder. It has self sealing fuel tanks. It can take lots of punishment from .50 calibre rounds. However, when facing aircraft with cannons, it will quickly fall prey to HE rounds unless you take immediate evasive action.

=== Modifications and economy ===
{{Specs-Economy}}

== Armaments ==
{{Specs-Avia-Armaments}}
=== Suspended armament ===
{{Specs-Avia-Suspended}}

{{main|Army Type 94 GPHE (50 kg)|Army Type 94 GPHE (100 kg)|Army Type 92 GPHE (250 kg)|Army Type 92 GPHE (500 kg)}}
[[File:Ki67-front-view.png|thumb|Ki67 running away from a pursuing P-51]]
{{main|Number 80 Mod. 1 (800 kg)|Type 91 Model 3 (850 kg)}}

The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' can be outfitted with the following ordnance:

* 15 x 50 kg Army Type 94 GPHE bombs (750 kg total)
* 8 x 100 kg Army Type 94 GPHE bombs (800 kg total)
* 3 x 250 kg Army Type 92 GPHE bombs (750 kg total)
* 1 x 500 kg Army Type 92 GPHE bomb (500 kg total)
* 1 x 800 kg Number 80 Mod. 1 (800 kg total)
* 1 x 850 kg Type 91 Model 3 torpedo

=== Defensive armament ===
{{Specs-Avia-Defensive}}

{{main|Ho-5 (20 mm)|Ho-104 (12.7 mm)}}

The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' is defended by:

* 1 x 20 mm Ho-5 cannon, dorsal turret (700 rpg)
* 1 x 12.7 mm Ho-104 machine gun, nose turret (550 rpg)
* 1 x 12.7 mm Ho-104 machine gun, 2 x beam turrets (500 rpg)
* 2 x 12.7 mm Ho-104 machine guns, tail turret (700 rpg + 500 rpg = 1,200 total)

== Usage in battles ==

[[File:Ki67-bomb-bay.png|thumb|The Ki-67's bomb bay]]
The Ki-67 can be used in air arcade battles to an excellent extent. In Arcade Battles, it can use its bombs to effectively destroy many ground units, playing an important role in ticket count. To start, take the eight 100 kg bombs and dive to the deck. Stay away from the main group of fighters, as it is advisable to stay on the outside of the map to avoid fighter confrontation. Next, bomb any ground targets you see. Tanks and pillboxes can only be destroyed with direct hits, so use the manoeuvrability of this bomber to drop your bombs with precision. Do not drop bombs on bases, as your payload is not as big as that of heavy bombers.
[[File:Ki67-dorsal-turret.png|thumb|Ki-67's top gunner]]
In Air RB, the Ki-67 otsu does well in the ground attack role, but due to limited bombs, you'll need to make frequent trips back to the base. The strategy here is to target pillboxes and medium tanks with the 250 kg bombs. Remember to set a three to two second fuse on those bombs. To start, you'll need to head in for an attack run as fast as possible. Dive towards the ground targets and line up with the pillboxes. After dropping your four bombs, immediately return to the base, as enemy fighters will be closing in on you. Staying low is critical, as other fighters that dive in on you can be dragged lower to allow for allied interception. However, on certain Pacific maps, you'll need to take torpedoes. To effectively destroy the ships, you'll need to chose a target. At the start of the battle, note if your allies have equipped torpedoes. If no allies are present, head for the destroyers. They take one torpedo to kill. If multiple allies with torpedoes are present, communicate with your team to target the carriers. They are the most rewarding target to kill.

;Enemies worth noting

* [[P-47 (Family)|P-47]] - The P-47 will be a major threat to this plane, as it is practically immune to your defensive guns. It will unleash eight fifty calls on your aircraft and make short work of you. To deal with this plane, turn. You can out-turn the P-47 and it will most likely disengage.
* [[Fw 190 (Family)|Fw 190]] - Same strategy as the P-47. You need to turn and evade the Mine-shells, while shooting at it.
* [[SM.91]] - The SM.91 is an opponent worth fearing as its six 20 mm cannons with the legendary German Minengeschoß rounds (mineshells) will easily tear through your plane. To avoid the SM.91 try climbing to a suitable altitude and gaining speed early on, as the SM.91's acceleration at high speeds is mediocre with it having a top speed of 585 km/h. Out-turning the SM.91 is also an option as its large design makes turning quite slow, with a turn time of up to 21 seconds.

=== Manual Engine Control ===
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="7" | MEC elements
|-
! rowspan="2" | Mixer
! rowspan="2" | Pitch
! colspan="3" | Radiator
! rowspan="2" | Supercharger
! rowspan="2" | Turbocharger
|-
! Oil !! Water !! Type
|-
| Controllable || Controllable Not auto controlled || Not controllable Not auto controlled || Controllable Not auto controlled || Combined || Controllable 2 gears || Not controllable
|-
|}

The Ki-67 is equipped with two powerful radial engines. They also come with a two-stage supercharger. The propeller pitch should be used at 90%-100% when on WEP. Lower the propeller pitch to 90% when at high speeds. The radiators can be kept at 10-20%, and the supercharger can be activated at 3.5 km (11k ft), and the mixture can be set to the following at each specific altitude:

* Sea Level: 100%-110% Mixture
* 3,000 feet (914 m): 92% Mixture
* 6,000 feet (1,828 m): 84% Mixture
* 10,000 feet (3,048 m): 70% Mixture
* 15,000 feet (4,572 m): 60% Mixture

=== Pros and cons ===

[[File:Ki67-flyby.png|thumb|Ki-67 underside]]

'''Pros:'''

*Regular Japanese torpedo as option
**Torpedo has the highest drop speed in the game at 350 mph (580 km/h) and is one of the most feared torpedoes in Naval Battles
* Good armour protection for pilot
* Decent turn time for a bomber
* Decent climb rate for a bomber

'''Cons:'''

* Regular Japanese army bomber ordnance
** Max weight of 800 kg (8 x 100 kg)
** Heaviest bomb choice is a singular 500 kg
* Big target for naval battles
** Japanese aerial torpedoes have the shortest range of all aerial torpedoes
* Poor armour protection for back gunners

== History ==

[[File:Ki67-top-gun.png|thumb|Ki-67 top rotary turret fires]]

The Ki-67 was used for level bombing and torpedo bombing (it could carry one torpedo attached under the fuselage). The Ki-67 was initially used by the Japanese Army and Navy Air Services against the US 3rd Fleet during its strikes against Formosa and the Ryukyu Islands. It was later used at Okinawa, in Mainland China, French Indochina, Karafuto and against B-29 airfields in Saipan and Tinian. One special ground-strike version used in the Giretsu missions was a Ki-67 I with three remote-control 20 mm cannons angled at 30° for firing toward the ground, a 20 mm cannon in the tail, 13.2 mm (.51 in) Type 3 machine guns in the lateral and upper positions, and more fuel capacity. Even with more fuel, the Giretsu missions were one-way only because of the long range. In the last stages of World War II, special attack versions of the Ki-67 (the I KAI and Sakura-dan models) were used in kamikaze missions. (References include information from Lt. Sgt. Seiji Moriyama, a crew member in Fugaku Special Attack Unit, who witnessed Ki-67s being converted into To-Gō suicide planes with two 800 kg / 1,760 lb bombs during Okinawa operations.)

By the end of World War II, 767 Ki-67s had been produced. Other sources relate that 698 Ki-67s were manufactured, excluded the KAI and Sakura-dan conversions.

== Media ==

[[File:Ki67-side-turret.png|thumb]]

;Skins

* [https://live.warthunder.com/feed/camouflages/?vehicle=ki_67_1_otsu Skins and camouflages for the {{PAGENAME}} from live.warthunder.com.]

;Videos
{{Youtube-gallery|TIqtu3uKws4|'''Update 1.67 - Ki-67-I Ko and Ki-67-I Otsu''' - ''TheEuropeanCanadian''}}

== See also ==


* [[Ki-67-I Ko]]
* [[Ki-109]] - Ground attacker

== External links ==


* [https://forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/355492-ki-67-ko-otsu/ Official data sheet - more details about the performance]

{{AirManufacturer Mitsubishi}}
{{Japan bombers}}

Ki-67-I otsu

2022-11-02T21:48:47Z

U21187496: /* Pros and cons */ from 500kg to 800kg

{{About
| about = Japanese bomber '''{{PAGENAME}}'''
| usage = the other version
| link = Ki-67-I Ko
}}
{{Specs-Card
|code=ki_67_1_otsu
|images={{Specs-Card-Image|GarageImage_{{PAGENAME}}.jpg|ArtImage_{{PAGENAME}}.png}}
}}

== Description ==

[[File:Ki67-in-flight.png|thumb|Ki-67 in flight]]

The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a rank {{Specs|rank}} Japanese bomber {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update 1.67 "Assault"]]. The Ki-67 otsu excels in many roles in which other Japanese bombers fail to live up to. This is one of the most formidable medium bombers out there, as it is fast, has great defensive capabilities, can mount a wide array of bombs and torpedoes, and has really good survivability. The Ki-67 otsu has a wide variety of roles, but its main role is actually a frontline bomber, as it can destroy pillboxes and other high value ground units. Its payload isn't designed to target bases, so it is advisable to target individual ground targets. The Ki-67 otsu differs from the previous model, the Ki-67 Ko, in rear of the aircraft. The Ki-67 otsu has a double tail gun configuration, giving it more defensive capabilities.

== General info ==
=== Flight performance ===
{{Specs-Avia-Flight}}

[[File:Ki67-bombing.png|thumb|Ki-67 dropping bombs]]

The flight performance of this plane is extremely smooth. The Ki-67 can turn really well for a bomber. It has a high rip speed of around 650 km/h. It has excellent acceleration and speed as well, so it can outrun some pursuing fighters. The Ki-67 otsu performs identically to the Ki-67 ko. It is also important to note that this aircraft is equipped with radial engines, which won't overheat under the WEP setting.

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="70%"
! rowspan="2" | Characteristics
! colspan="2" | Max Speed (km/h at 5,150 m)
! rowspan="2" | Max altitude (metres)
! colspan="2" | Turn time (seconds)
! colspan="2" | Rate of climb (metres/second)
! rowspan="2" | Take-off run (metres)
|-
! AB !! RB !! AB !! RB !! AB !! RB
|-
! Stock
| 483 || 466 || rowspan="2" | {{Specs|ceiling}} || 31.0 || 31.8 || 10.0 || 10.0 || rowspan="2" | 650
|-
! Upgraded
| 528 || 502 || 29.0 || 30.0 || 16.0 || 12.5
|-
|}

==== Details ====
[[File:Ki67-in-formation.png|thumb|Ki-67s in formation]]
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="50%"
|-
! colspan="5" | Features
|-
! Combat flaps !! Take-off flaps !! Landing flaps !! Air brakes !! Arrestor gear
|-
| ✓ || ✓ || ✓ || X || X 
|-
|}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="50%"
|-
! colspan="7" | Limits
|-
! rowspan="2" | Wings (km/h)
! rowspan="2" | Gear (km/h)
! colspan="3" | Flaps (km/h)
! colspan="2" | Max Static G
|-
! Combat !! Take-off !! Landing !! + !! -
|-
| {{Specs|destruction|body}} || {{Specs|destruction|gear}} || 427 || 398 || 250 || ~5 || ~1
|-
|}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="4" | Optimal velocities (km/h)
|-
! Ailerons !! Rudder !! Elevators !! Radiator
|-
| < 360 || < 360 || < 360 || > 313
|-
|}

=== Survivability and armour ===
{{Specs-Avia-Armour}}


* 70 mm Bulletproof glass - Armoured windscreen
* 12.7 mm steel plate in the nose - protecting pilots
* 15.8 mm steel plate pilot seat
* 15.8 mm steel plate in mid fuselage - protecting dorsal gunner
* 7.9 mm steel plate in tail (belly only)
* Self sealing fuel tanks (in wings and mid fuselage)

The Ki-67 is one of the most sturdy Japanese aircraft in War Thunder. It has self sealing fuel tanks. It can take lots of punishment from .50 calibre rounds. However, when facing aircraft with cannons, it will quickly fall prey to HE rounds unless you take immediate evasive action.

=== Modifications and economy ===
{{Specs-Economy}}

== Armaments ==
{{Specs-Avia-Armaments}}
=== Suspended armament ===
{{Specs-Avia-Suspended}}

{{main|Army Type 94 GPHE (50 kg)|Army Type 94 GPHE (100 kg)|Army Type 92 GPHE (250 kg)|Army Type 92 GPHE (500 kg)}}
[[File:Ki67-front-view.png|thumb|Ki67 running away from a pursuing P-51]]
{{main|Number 80 Mod. 1 (800 kg)|Type 91 Model 3 (850 kg)}}

The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' can be outfitted with the following ordnance:

* 15 x 50 kg Army Type 94 GPHE bombs (750 kg total)
* 8 x 100 kg Army Type 94 GPHE bombs (800 kg total)
* 3 x 250 kg Army Type 92 GPHE bombs (750 kg total)
* 1 x 500 kg Army Type 92 GPHE bomb (500 kg total)
* 1 x 800 kg Number 80 Mod. 1 (800 kg total)
* 1 x 850 kg Type 91 Model 3 torpedo

=== Defensive armament ===
{{Specs-Avia-Defensive}}

{{main|Ho-5 (20 mm)|Ho-104 (12.7 mm)}}

The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' is defended by:

* 1 x 20 mm Ho-5 cannon, dorsal turret (700 rpg)
* 1 x 12.7 mm Ho-104 machine gun, nose turret (550 rpg)
* 1 x 12.7 mm Ho-104 machine gun, 2 x beam turrets (500 rpg)
* 2 x 12.7 mm Ho-104 machine guns, tail turret (700 rpg + 500 rpg = 1,200 total)

== Usage in battles ==

[[File:Ki67-bomb-bay.png|thumb|The Ki-67's bomb bay]]
The Ki-67 can be used in air arcade battles to an excellent extent. In Arcade Battles, it can use its bombs to effectively destroy many ground units, playing an important role in ticket count. To start, take the eight 100 kg bombs and dive to the deck. Stay away from the main group of fighters, as it is advisable to stay on the outside of the map to avoid fighter confrontation. Next, bomb any ground targets you see. Tanks and pillboxes can only be destroyed with direct hits, so use the manoeuvrability of this bomber to drop your bombs with precision. Do not drop bombs on bases, as your payload is not as big as that of heavy bombers.
[[File:Ki67-dorsal-turret.png|thumb|Ki-67's top gunner]]
In Air RB, the Ki-67 otsu does well in the ground attack role, but due to limited bombs, you'll need to make frequent trips back to the base. The strategy here is to target pillboxes and medium tanks with the 250 kg bombs. Remember to set a three to two second fuse on those bombs. To start, you'll need to head in for an attack run as fast as possible. Dive towards the ground targets and line up with the pillboxes. After dropping your four bombs, immediately return to the base, as enemy fighters will be closing in on you. Staying low is critical, as other fighters that dive in on you can be dragged lower to allow for allied interception. However, on certain Pacific maps, you'll need to take torpedoes. To effectively destroy the ships, you'll need to chose a target. At the start of the battle, note if your allies have equipped torpedoes. If no allies are present, head for the destroyers. They take one torpedo to kill. If multiple allies with torpedoes are present, communicate with your team to target the carriers. They are the most rewarding target to kill.

;Enemies worth noting

* [[P-47 (Family)|P-47]] - The P-47 will be a major threat to this plane, as it is practically immune to your defensive guns. It will unleash eight fifty calls on your aircraft and make short work of you. To deal with this plane, turn. You can out-turn the P-47 and it will most likely disengage.
* [[Fw 190 (Family)|Fw 190]] - Same strategy as the P-47. You need to turn and evade the Mine-shells, while shooting at it.
* [[SM.91]] - The SM.91 is an opponent worth fearing as its six 20 mm cannons with the legendary German Minengeschoß rounds (mineshells) will easily tear through your plane. To avoid the SM.91 try climbing to a suitable altitude and gaining speed early on, as the SM.91's acceleration at high speeds is mediocre with it having a top speed of 585 km/h. Out-turning the SM.91 is also an option as its large design makes turning quite slow, with a turn time of up to 21 seconds.

=== Manual Engine Control ===
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="7" | MEC elements
|-
! rowspan="2" | Mixer
! rowspan="2" | Pitch
! colspan="3" | Radiator
! rowspan="2" | Supercharger
! rowspan="2" | Turbocharger
|-
! Oil !! Water !! Type
|-
| Controllable || Controllable Not auto controlled || Not controllable Not auto controlled || Controllable Not auto controlled || Combined || Controllable 2 gears || Not controllable
|-
|}

The Ki-67 is equipped with two powerful radial engines. They also come with a two-stage supercharger. The propeller pitch should be used at 90%-100% when on WEP. Lower the propeller pitch to 90% when at high speeds. The radiators can be kept at 10-20%, and the supercharger can be activated at 3.5 km (11k ft), and the mixture can be set to the following at each specific altitude:

* Sea Level: 100%-110% Mixture
* 3,000 feet: 92% Mixture
* 6,000 feet: 84% Mixture
* 10,000 feet: 70% Mixture
* 15,000 feet: 60% Mixture

=== Pros and cons ===

[[File:Ki67-flyby.png|thumb|Ki-67 underside]]

'''Pros:'''

*Regular Japanese torpedo as option
**Torpedo has the highest drop speed in the game at 350 mph (580 km/h) and is one of the most feared torpedoes in Naval Battles
* Good armour protection for pilot
* Decent turn time for a bomber
* Decent climb rate for a bomber

'''Cons:'''

* Regular Japanese army bomber ordnance
** Max weight of 800 kg (8 x 100 kg)
** Heaviest bomb choice is a singular 800 kg
* Big target for naval battles
** Japanese aerial torpedoes have the shortest range of all aerial torpedoes
* Poor armour protection for back gunners

== History ==

[[File:Ki67-top-gun.png|thumb|Ki-67 top rotary turret fires]]

The Ki-67 was used for level bombing and torpedo bombing (it could carry one torpedo attached under the fuselage). The Ki-67 was initially used by the Japanese Army and Navy Air Services against the US 3rd Fleet during its strikes against Formosa and the Ryukyu Islands. It was later used at Okinawa, in Mainland China, French Indochina, Karafuto and against B-29 airfields in Saipan and Tinian. One special ground-strike version used in the Giretsu missions was a Ki-67 I with three remote-control 20 mm cannons angled at 30° for firing toward the ground, a 20 mm cannon in the tail, 13.2 mm (.51 in) Type 3 machine guns in the lateral and upper positions, and more fuel capacity. Even with more fuel, the Giretsu missions were one-way only because of the long range. In the last stages of World War II, special attack versions of the Ki-67 (the I KAI and Sakura-dan models) were used in kamikaze missions. (References include information from Lt. Sgt. Seiji Moriyama, a crew member in Fugaku Special Attack Unit, who witnessed Ki-67s being converted into To-Gō suicide planes with two 800 kg / 1,760 lb bombs during Okinawa operations.)

By the end of World War II, 767 Ki-67s had been produced. Other sources relate that 698 Ki-67s were manufactured, excluded the KAI and Sakura-dan conversions.

== Media ==

[[File:Ki67-side-turret.png|thumb]]

;Skins

* [https://live.warthunder.com/feed/camouflages/?vehicle=ki_67_1_otsu Skins and camouflages for the {{PAGENAME}} from live.warthunder.com.]

;Videos
{{Youtube-gallery|TIqtu3uKws4|'''Update 1.67 - Ki-67-I Ko and Ki-67-I Otsu''' - ''TheEuropeanCanadian''}}

== See also ==


* [[Ki-67-I Ko]]
* [[Ki-109]] - Ground attacker

== External links ==


* [https://forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/355492-ki-67-ko-otsu/ Official data sheet - more details about the performance]

{{AirManufacturer Mitsubishi}}
{{Japan bombers}}

Ki-67-I Ko

2022-11-02T20:00:26Z

U21187496: /* Manual Engine Control */ Fixed comma to be 15,000 feet and not 1,5000 feet. Added meters conversion.

{{About
| about = Japanese bomber '''{{PAGENAME}}'''
| usage = the other version
| link = Ki-67-I otsu
}}
{{Specs-Card
|code=ki_67_1_ko
|images={{Specs-Card-Image|GarageImage_{{PAGENAME}}.jpg|ArtImage_{{PAGENAME}}.png}}
}}

== Description ==

The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a rank {{Specs|rank}} Japanese bomber {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update 1.67 "Assault"]].

The Ki-67 ko excels in many roles in which other Japanese bombers fail to live up to. This is one of the most formidable medium bombers out there, as it is fast, has great defensive capabilities, can mount a wide array of bombs and torpedoes, and has really good survivability. The Ki-67 ko has a wide variety of roles, but its main role is actually a frontline bomber, as it can destroy pillboxes and other high value ground units. Its payload isn't designed to target bases, so it is advisable to target individual ground targets. The Ki-67 ko differs from the previous model, the Ki-67 otsu, in rear of the aircraft. The Ki-67 ko has a single tail gun configuration, giving it slightly weaker defensive capabilities than the Ki-67 otsu.

== General info ==
=== Flight performance ===
{{Specs-Avia-Flight}}

The flight performance of this plane is extremely smooth. The Ki-67 can turn really well for a bomber. It has a high rip speed of around 650 km/h. It has excellent acceleration and speed as well, so it can outrun some pursuing fighters. The Ki-67 otsu performs identically to the Ki-67 Ko. It is also important to note that this aircraft is equipped with radial engines, which won't overheat under the WEP setting.

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="70%"
! rowspan="2" | Characteristics
! colspan="2" | Max Speed (km/h at 5,150 m)
! rowspan="2" | Max altitude (metres)
! colspan="2" | Turn time (seconds)
! colspan="2" | Rate of climb (metres/second)
! rowspan="2" | Take-off run (metres)
|-
! AB !! RB !! AB !! RB !! AB !! RB
|-
! Stock
| 483 || 466 || rowspan="2" | {{Specs|ceiling}} || 31.0 || 31.8 || 10.0 || 10.0 || rowspan="2" | 650
|-
! Upgraded
| 528 || 502 || 29.0 || 30.0 || 16.0 || 12.5
|-
|}

==== Details ====
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="50%"
|-
! colspan="5" | Features
|-
! Combat flaps !! Take-off flaps !! Landing flaps !! Air brakes !! Arrestor gear
|-
| ✓ || ✓ || ✓ || X || X 
|-
|}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="50%"
|-
! colspan="7" | Limits
|-
! rowspan="2" | Wings (km/h)
! rowspan="2" | Gear (km/h)
! colspan="3" | Flaps (km/h)
! colspan="2" | Max Static G
|-
! Combat !! Take-off !! Landing !! + !! -
|-
| {{Specs|destruction|body}} || {{Specs|destruction|gear}} || 427 || 398 || 250 || ~5 || ~1
|-
|}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="4" | Optimal velocities (km/h)
|-
! Ailerons !! Rudder !! Elevators !! Radiator
|-
| < 360 || < 360 || < 360 || > 313
|-
|}

=== Survivability and armour ===
{{Specs-Avia-Armour}}


* 70 mm Bulletproof glass - Armoured windscreen
* 12.7 mm steel plate in the nose - protecting pilots
* 15.8 mm steel plate pilot seat
* 15.8 mm steel plate in mid fuselage - protecting dorsal gunner
* 7.9 mm steel plate in tail (belly only)
* Self sealing fuel tanks (in wings and mid fuselage)

The Ki-67 is one of the most sturdy Japanese aircraft in War Thunder. It has self sealing fuel tanks. It can take lots of punishment from .50 calibre rounds. However, when facing aircraft with cannons, it will quickly fall prey to HE rounds unless you take immediate evasive action.

=== Modifications and economy ===
{{Specs-Economy}}

== Armaments ==
{{Specs-Avia-Armaments}}
=== Suspended armament ===
{{Specs-Avia-Suspended}}

{{main|Army Type 94 GPHE (50 kg)|Army Type 94 GPHE (100 kg)|Army Type 92 GPHE (250 kg)|Army Type 92 GPHE (500 kg)}}
{{main|Number 80 Mod. 1 (800 kg)|Type 91 Model 3 (850 kg)}}

The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' can be outfitted with the following ordnance:

* 15 x 50 kg Army Type 94 GPHE bombs (750 kg total)
* 8 x 100 kg Army Type 94 GPHE bombs (800 kg total)
* 3 x 250 kg Army Type 92 GPHE bombs (750 kg total)
* 1 x 500 kg Army Type 92 GPHE bomb (500 kg total)
* 1 x 800 kg Number 80 Mod. 1 (800 kg total)
* 1 x 850 kg Type 91 Model 3 torpedo

=== Defensive armament ===
{{Specs-Avia-Defensive}}

{{main|Ho-5 (20 mm)|Ho-104 (12.7 mm)}}

The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' is defended by:

* 1 x 20 mm Ho-5 cannon, dorsal turret (700 rpg)
* 1 x 12.7 mm Ho-104 machine gun, nose turret (550 rpg)
* 1 x 12.7 mm Ho-104 machine gun, 2 x beam turret (500 rpg)
* 1 x 12.7 mm Ho-104 machine gun, tail turret (700 rpg)

== Usage in battles ==


;Arcade battles

The Ki-67 can be used in Air Arcade battles to an excellent extent. It can use its bombs to effectively destroy multiple ground units, playing an important role in ticket count. To start, take the eight 100 kg bombs and dive to the deck, stay away from the main group of fighters, as it is advisable to stay on the outside of the map to avoid fighter confrontation. Next, bomb any ground targets you see; tanks and pillboxes can only be destroyed with direct hits, so use the manoeuvrability of this bomber to drop your bombs with precision. It isn't advised to drop bombs on bases, as your payload is not as big enough as that of heavy bombers and will do very little damage.

;Realistic battles

The Ki-67-I does well in the ground attack role, but due to limited bombs, you'll need to make frequent trips back to the base. The strategy here is to target pillboxes and medium tanks with the 250 kg bombs. Remember to set a three to two second fuse on those bombs. To start, you'll need to head in for an attack run as fast as possible. Dive towards the ground targets and line up with the pillboxes. After dropping your four bombs, immediately return to the base, as enemy fighters will be closing in on you. Staying low is critical, as other fighters that dive in on you can be dragged lower to allow for allied interception. However, on certain Pacific maps, you'll need to take torpedoes. To effectively destroy the ships, you'll need to chose a target. At the start of the battle, note if your allies have equipped torpedoes. If no allies are present, head for the destroyers. They take one torpedo to kill. If multiple allies with torpedoes are present, communicate with your team to target the carriers. They are the most rewarding target to kill.

;Enemies worth noting:

* [[P-47 (Family)|P-47]] - The P-47 is one of the heavier single-engine fighters that can keep up with the Hiryu and most of your armament will do negligible damage to it. It will unleash eight .50 cals on your aircraft and make short work of you. To deal with this plane, turn. You can out-turn the P-47 and it will most likely disengage. If it keeps up with you, just make sure to manoeuvre out of its sprays and try to hit it with your 20 mm in the tail.

=== Manual Engine Control ===
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="7" | MEC elements
|-
! rowspan="2" | Mixer
! rowspan="2" | Pitch
! colspan="3" | Radiator
! rowspan="2" | Supercharger
! rowspan="2" | Turbocharger
|-
! Oil !! Water !! Type
|-
| Controllable || Controllable Not auto controlled || Not controllable Not auto controlled || Controllable Not auto controlled || Combined || Controllable 2 gears || Not controllable
|-
|}
The Ki-67 is equipped with two powerful radial engines. They also come with a two-stage supercharger. The propeller pitch should be used at 90%-100% when on WEP. Lower the propeller pitch to 90% when at high speeds. The radiators can be kept at 10-20%, and the supercharger can be activated at 3.5 km (11k ft), and the mixture can be set to the following at each specific altitude:

* Sea Level: 100%-110% Mixture
* 3,000 feet (914 meters): 92% Mixture
* 6,000 feet (1,828 meters): 84% Mixture
* 10,000 feet (3,048 meters): 70% Mixture
* 15,000 (4,572 meters) feet : 60% Mixture

=== Pros and cons ===


'''Pros:'''

* Regular Japanese torpedo as option
** Torpedo has the highest drop speed in the game at 350 mph (580 km/h) and is one of the most feared torpedoes in Naval Battles
* Good armour protection for pilot
* Decent tun rate for bombers
* Decent rate of climb for bombers

'''Cons:'''

* Regular Japanese army bomber ordnance
** Max weight of 800 kg (8 x 100 kg)
** Heaviest bomb choice is a singular 800 kg
* Big target for naval battles
** Japanese Aerial torpedoes have the shortest range of all aerial torpedoes
* Poor armour protection for back gunners

== History ==
''Describe the history of the creation and combat usage of the aircraft in more detail than in the introduction. If the historical reference turns out to be too long, take it to a separate article, taking a link to the article about the vehicle and adding a block "/History" (example: <nowiki>https://wiki.warthunder.com/(Vehicle-name)/History</nowiki>) and add a link to it here using the <code>main</code> template. Be sure to reference text and sources by using <code><nowiki><ref></ref></nowiki></code>, as well as adding them at the end of the article with <code><nowiki><references /></nowiki></code>. This section may also include the vehicle's dev blog entry (if applicable) and the in-game encyclopedia description (under <code><nowiki>=== In-game description ===</nowiki></code>, also if applicable).''

== Media ==


;Skins

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;Videos
{{Youtube-gallery|hNeWVbIfetU|'''Mitsubishi Type 4 heavy bomber "Hiryu"''' - Historical footage|}}

== See also ==


;Related Development

* [[Ki-67-I otsu]] - (Improved tail armament)
* [[Ki-109]] - (Day Fighter prototype)

== External links ==


* [https://forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/355492-ki-67-ko-otsu/ Official data sheet - more details about the performance]

{{AirManufacturer Mitsubishi}}
{{Japan bombers}}

Ki-67-I Ko

2022-11-02T19:56:39Z

U21187496: /* Pros and cons */ Recently this plane got 800kg singular bomb option so "Heaviest bomb choice is a singular 500kg" statement is outdated

{{About
| about = Japanese bomber '''{{PAGENAME}}'''
| usage = the other version
| link = Ki-67-I otsu
}}
{{Specs-Card
|code=ki_67_1_ko
|images={{Specs-Card-Image|GarageImage_{{PAGENAME}}.jpg|ArtImage_{{PAGENAME}}.png}}
}}

== Description ==

The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a rank {{Specs|rank}} Japanese bomber {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update 1.67 "Assault"]].

The Ki-67 ko excels in many roles in which other Japanese bombers fail to live up to. This is one of the most formidable medium bombers out there, as it is fast, has great defensive capabilities, can mount a wide array of bombs and torpedoes, and has really good survivability. The Ki-67 ko has a wide variety of roles, but its main role is actually a frontline bomber, as it can destroy pillboxes and other high value ground units. Its payload isn't designed to target bases, so it is advisable to target individual ground targets. The Ki-67 ko differs from the previous model, the Ki-67 otsu, in rear of the aircraft. The Ki-67 ko has a single tail gun configuration, giving it slightly weaker defensive capabilities than the Ki-67 otsu.

== General info ==
=== Flight performance ===
{{Specs-Avia-Flight}}

The flight performance of this plane is extremely smooth. The Ki-67 can turn really well for a bomber. It has a high rip speed of around 650 km/h. It has excellent acceleration and speed as well, so it can outrun some pursuing fighters. The Ki-67 otsu performs identically to the Ki-67 Ko. It is also important to note that this aircraft is equipped with radial engines, which won't overheat under the WEP setting.

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="70%"
! rowspan="2" | Characteristics
! colspan="2" | Max Speed (km/h at 5,150 m)
! rowspan="2" | Max altitude (metres)
! colspan="2" | Turn time (seconds)
! colspan="2" | Rate of climb (metres/second)
! rowspan="2" | Take-off run (metres)
|-
! AB !! RB !! AB !! RB !! AB !! RB
|-
! Stock
| 483 || 466 || rowspan="2" | {{Specs|ceiling}} || 31.0 || 31.8 || 10.0 || 10.0 || rowspan="2" | 650
|-
! Upgraded
| 528 || 502 || 29.0 || 30.0 || 16.0 || 12.5
|-
|}

==== Details ====
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="50%"
|-
! colspan="5" | Features
|-
! Combat flaps !! Take-off flaps !! Landing flaps !! Air brakes !! Arrestor gear
|-
| ✓ || ✓ || ✓ || X || X 
|-
|}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="50%"
|-
! colspan="7" | Limits
|-
! rowspan="2" | Wings (km/h)
! rowspan="2" | Gear (km/h)
! colspan="3" | Flaps (km/h)
! colspan="2" | Max Static G
|-
! Combat !! Take-off !! Landing !! + !! -
|-
| {{Specs|destruction|body}} || {{Specs|destruction|gear}} || 427 || 398 || 250 || ~5 || ~1
|-
|}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="4" | Optimal velocities (km/h)
|-
! Ailerons !! Rudder !! Elevators !! Radiator
|-
| < 360 || < 360 || < 360 || > 313
|-
|}

=== Survivability and armour ===
{{Specs-Avia-Armour}}


* 70 mm Bulletproof glass - Armoured windscreen
* 12.7 mm steel plate in the nose - protecting pilots
* 15.8 mm steel plate pilot seat
* 15.8 mm steel plate in mid fuselage - protecting dorsal gunner
* 7.9 mm steel plate in tail (belly only)
* Self sealing fuel tanks (in wings and mid fuselage)

The Ki-67 is one of the most sturdy Japanese aircraft in War Thunder. It has self sealing fuel tanks. It can take lots of punishment from .50 calibre rounds. However, when facing aircraft with cannons, it will quickly fall prey to HE rounds unless you take immediate evasive action.

=== Modifications and economy ===
{{Specs-Economy}}

== Armaments ==
{{Specs-Avia-Armaments}}
=== Suspended armament ===
{{Specs-Avia-Suspended}}

{{main|Army Type 94 GPHE (50 kg)|Army Type 94 GPHE (100 kg)|Army Type 92 GPHE (250 kg)|Army Type 92 GPHE (500 kg)}}
{{main|Number 80 Mod. 1 (800 kg)|Type 91 Model 3 (850 kg)}}

The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' can be outfitted with the following ordnance:

* 15 x 50 kg Army Type 94 GPHE bombs (750 kg total)
* 8 x 100 kg Army Type 94 GPHE bombs (800 kg total)
* 3 x 250 kg Army Type 92 GPHE bombs (750 kg total)
* 1 x 500 kg Army Type 92 GPHE bomb (500 kg total)
* 1 x 800 kg Number 80 Mod. 1 (800 kg total)
* 1 x 850 kg Type 91 Model 3 torpedo

=== Defensive armament ===
{{Specs-Avia-Defensive}}

{{main|Ho-5 (20 mm)|Ho-104 (12.7 mm)}}

The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' is defended by:

* 1 x 20 mm Ho-5 cannon, dorsal turret (700 rpg)
* 1 x 12.7 mm Ho-104 machine gun, nose turret (550 rpg)
* 1 x 12.7 mm Ho-104 machine gun, 2 x beam turret (500 rpg)
* 1 x 12.7 mm Ho-104 machine gun, tail turret (700 rpg)

== Usage in battles ==


;Arcade battles

The Ki-67 can be used in Air Arcade battles to an excellent extent. It can use its bombs to effectively destroy multiple ground units, playing an important role in ticket count. To start, take the eight 100 kg bombs and dive to the deck, stay away from the main group of fighters, as it is advisable to stay on the outside of the map to avoid fighter confrontation. Next, bomb any ground targets you see; tanks and pillboxes can only be destroyed with direct hits, so use the manoeuvrability of this bomber to drop your bombs with precision. It isn't advised to drop bombs on bases, as your payload is not as big enough as that of heavy bombers and will do very little damage.

;Realistic battles

The Ki-67-I does well in the ground attack role, but due to limited bombs, you'll need to make frequent trips back to the base. The strategy here is to target pillboxes and medium tanks with the 250 kg bombs. Remember to set a three to two second fuse on those bombs. To start, you'll need to head in for an attack run as fast as possible. Dive towards the ground targets and line up with the pillboxes. After dropping your four bombs, immediately return to the base, as enemy fighters will be closing in on you. Staying low is critical, as other fighters that dive in on you can be dragged lower to allow for allied interception. However, on certain Pacific maps, you'll need to take torpedoes. To effectively destroy the ships, you'll need to chose a target. At the start of the battle, note if your allies have equipped torpedoes. If no allies are present, head for the destroyers. They take one torpedo to kill. If multiple allies with torpedoes are present, communicate with your team to target the carriers. They are the most rewarding target to kill.

;Enemies worth noting:

* [[P-47 (Family)|P-47]] - The P-47 is one of the heavier single-engine fighters that can keep up with the Hiryu and most of your armament will do negligible damage to it. It will unleash eight .50 cals on your aircraft and make short work of you. To deal with this plane, turn. You can out-turn the P-47 and it will most likely disengage. If it keeps up with you, just make sure to manoeuvre out of its sprays and try to hit it with your 20 mm in the tail.

=== Manual Engine Control ===
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="7" | MEC elements
|-
! rowspan="2" | Mixer
! rowspan="2" | Pitch
! colspan="3" | Radiator
! rowspan="2" | Supercharger
! rowspan="2" | Turbocharger
|-
! Oil !! Water !! Type
|-
| Controllable || Controllable Not auto controlled || Not controllable Not auto controlled || Controllable Not auto controlled || Combined || Controllable 2 gears || Not controllable
|-
|}
The Ki-67 is equipped with two powerful radial engines. They also come with a two-stage supercharger. The propeller pitch should be used at 90%-100% when on WEP. Lower the propeller pitch to 90% when at high speeds. The radiators can be kept at 10-20%, and the supercharger can be activated at 3.5 km (11k ft), and the mixture can be set to the following at each specific altitude:

* Sea Level: 100%-110% Mixture
* 3,000 feet: 92% Mixture
* 6,000 feet: 84% Mixture
* 10,000 feet: 70% Mixture
* 1,5000 feet: 60% Mixture

=== Pros and cons ===


'''Pros:'''

* Regular Japanese torpedo as option
** Torpedo has the highest drop speed in the game at 350 mph (580 km/h) and is one of the most feared torpedoes in Naval Battles
* Good armour protection for pilot
* Decent tun rate for bombers
* Decent rate of climb for bombers

'''Cons:'''

* Regular Japanese army bomber ordnance
** Max weight of 800 kg (8 x 100 kg)
** Heaviest bomb choice is a singular 800 kg
* Big target for naval battles
** Japanese Aerial torpedoes have the shortest range of all aerial torpedoes
* Poor armour protection for back gunners

== History ==
''Describe the history of the creation and combat usage of the aircraft in more detail than in the introduction. If the historical reference turns out to be too long, take it to a separate article, taking a link to the article about the vehicle and adding a block "/History" (example: <nowiki>https://wiki.warthunder.com/(Vehicle-name)/History</nowiki>) and add a link to it here using the <code>main</code> template. Be sure to reference text and sources by using <code><nowiki><ref></ref></nowiki></code>, as well as adding them at the end of the article with <code><nowiki><references /></nowiki></code>. This section may also include the vehicle's dev blog entry (if applicable) and the in-game encyclopedia description (under <code><nowiki>=== In-game description ===</nowiki></code>, also if applicable).''

== Media ==


;Skins

* [https://live.warthunder.com/feed/camouflages/?vehicle=ki_67_1_ko Skins and camouflages for the {{PAGENAME}} from live.warthunder.com.]

;Videos
{{Youtube-gallery|hNeWVbIfetU|'''Mitsubishi Type 4 heavy bomber "Hiryu"''' - Historical footage|}}

== See also ==


;Related Development

* [[Ki-67-I otsu]] - (Improved tail armament)
* [[Ki-109]] - (Day Fighter prototype)

== External links ==


* [https://forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/355492-ki-67-ko-otsu/ Official data sheet - more details about the performance]

{{AirManufacturer Mitsubishi}}
{{Japan bombers}}

PBJ-1H

2022-10-29T20:21:59Z

U21187496: /* Details */ eeem? there was no break speed for wings so i tested it with IAS and result for riping a wing in straight line, no G's, was either 612 or 611 km/h so i entered lower value. no idea how to edit wiki or what am i writing right now

{{About
|about=American 75 mm-armed strike aircraft '''{{PAGENAME}}'''
|other
|usage-1=the other variant
|link-1=PBJ-1J
|usage-2=other vehicles of the family
|link-2=B-25 (Family)
}}
{{Specs-Card
|code=pbj_1h
|images={{Specs-Card-Image|GarageImage_{{PAGENAME}}.jpg}}
}}

== Description ==

The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a rank {{Specs|rank}} American strike aircraft {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update 1.41]].

The PBJ-1H is U.S. Navy variant of the [[B-25J-20|B-25]] which was operated by the U.S. Marine Corps as a ground attacker. This aircraft is a powerful ground strafing machine and due to the weapons package built-in, it can be viewed as a gunship. With eight 12.7 mm machine guns and a 75 mm cannon, most light ground targets such as AAA positions and Artillery positions can be destroyed. The 75 mm T13E1 cannon is similar to the 75 mm M3 on the Sherman tank and shares its powerful support capability. With Armoured Targets belt loaded, it can knock out light pillboxes with ease and greater accuracy than bombs in Realistic and Simulator modes. It is even effective against light and medium tanks, although the low fire rate makes it less than ideal for strafing several targets in a short target window. It is recommended to use the virtual cockpit view to aim the main gun. The 12.7 mm guns should be mainly utilized against "soft" targets such as armoured Cars, AA and artillery positions, and the 75 mm Gun against hardened targets such as light pillboxes and tanks. That said, the concentrated MG fire can also be used to destroy light pillboxes (with practice), though will require significant ammo usage to do so.

Despite armament differences, the airframe of the PBJ is still that of the B-25. While this means that it will have a relatively large number of defensive weapons, it also means that it is relatively sluggish compared to other close-support aircraft. It also presents a relatively large and slow-moving, though semi-well-defended target. Beware all variants of the Bell [[P-39 (Family)|P-39]] Airacobra, [[P-63 (Family)|P-63]] Kingcobra, [[P-47 (Family)|P-47]] Thunderbolt, all variants of the [[Me 410 (Family)|Me 410]] and the [[Yak-9T]]; these aircraft can destroy your aircraft without much difficulty, whereas you will have a difficult time expending numerous 12.7 mm rounds trying to knock them out of the sky or off your tail.

This aircraft has several weaknesses in which the pilot must be aware of which could be exploited by attacking aircraft. First, the twin rudders in the tail section create gunner dead zones. The rudders will prevent the side gunners and to an extent the dorsal gunner from firing on an enemy attacking from the shadow of either of these two spots. The tail gunner should be able to neutralize this weakness as long as he has not been knocked out. The underside of the aircraft is especially vulnerable as there is no ventral turret and the tail gunner, side gunners only have a limited downward angle in which they can shoot, so it may be best to fly as low as possible in certain circumstances. Even with the great fire-power utilized on this aircraft, the pilot's best bet will be to operate under fighter cover when possible.

Other differences from the B-25 are the smaller bomb payload, attacker spawn location (lower altitude than bombers) and the lack of a bomb-sight view for precision bombing.

== General info ==
=== Flight performance ===
{{Specs-Avia-Flight}}


{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="70%"
! rowspan="2" | Characteristics
! colspan="2" | Max Speed (km/h at 4,390 m)
! rowspan="2" | Max altitude (metres)
! colspan="2" | Turn time (seconds)
! colspan="2" | Rate of climb (metres/second)
! rowspan="2" | Take-off run (metres)
|-
! AB !! RB !! AB !! RB !! AB !! RB
|-
! Stock
| 429 || 416 || rowspan="2" | {{Specs|ceiling}} || 38.4 || 39.7 || 5.4 || 5.4 || rowspan="2" | 850
|-
! Upgraded
| 477 || 451 || 35.2 || 37.0 || 12.8 || 7.7
|-
|}

==== Details ====
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="50%"
|-
! colspan="5" | Features
|-
! Combat flaps !! Take-off flaps !! Landing flaps !! Air brakes !! Arrestor gear
|-
| ✓ || ✓ || ✓ || X || X 
|-
|}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="50%"
|-
! colspan="7" | Limits
|-
! rowspan="2" | Wings (km/h)
! rowspan="2" | Gear (km/h)
! colspan="3" | Flaps (km/h)
! colspan="2" | Max Static G
|-
! Combat !! Take-off !! Landing !! + !! -
|-
|611|| {{Specs|destruction|gear}} || 382 || 320 || 293 || ~5 || ~2
|-
|}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="4" | Optimal velocities (km/h)
|-
! Ailerons !! Rudder !! Elevators !! Radiator
|-
| < 270 || < 320 || < 350 || > 320
|-
|}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="3" | Compressor (RB/SB)
|-
! colspan="3" | Setting 1
|-
! Optimal altitude
! 100% Engine power
! WEP Engine power
|-
| 524 m || 3,000 hp || 3,339 hp
|-
! colspan="3" | Setting 2
|-
! Optimal altitude
! 100% Engine power
! WEP Engine power
|-
| 3,700 m || 2,700 hp || 3,005 hp
|-
|}

=== Survivability and armour ===
{{Specs-Avia-Armour}}


* 8 mm Steel - Lower nose armour plate
* 8 mm Steel - Pilot and Co-pilot's seats
* 9.5 mm Steel - Fore cockpit armour plate
* 9.5 mm Steel - Side armour cockpit plates
* 9.5 mm Steel - Cockpit rear plate
* 9.5 mm Steel - Dorsal gunner aft plate
* 6.35 mm Steel - Side gunners armour plate x 2
* 9.5 mm Steel - Tail gunner protective armour plate
* 12 mm Bulletproof glass - Dorsal gunner turret
* 38 mm Bulletproof glass - Tail gunner canopy

Rugged, sturdy, though, the PBJ-1H is all of those things. Featuring crew armour protection that outclasses the [[B-17G-60-VE|B-17 ''Flying Fortress'']] in a handier, smaller design, the PBJ-1 is a tough nut to crack and even harder to devoid of the crew. Calibres above 20 mm are a must for a quick kill, otherwise, the PBJ-1H will repay in kind. Forgoing all defence is good, but all offence, too? It is called overkill, of the pursuit fighter.

The two Wright R-2600 air-cooled radial engines are themself hard to destroy and with dropped payload, the PBJ will just keep flying on a single damaged one. Denying under armed fighters the ability to lethally cripple it. Yet this aircraft has got one downside: Fuel tanks. While present in all planes, the armour, crew and bomb bay take up all the fuselage. Leaving only space in the wings. A common cause of the crash is hence a fire and thus a structural failure of the wing spar.

=== Modifications and economy ===
{{Specs-Economy}}

== Armaments ==
{{Specs-Avia-Armaments}}
=== Offensive armament ===
{{Specs-Avia-Offensive}}

{{main|T13E1 (75 mm)|M2 Browning (12.7 mm)}}

The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' is armed with:

* 1 x 75 mm T13E1 cannon (21 rounds)
* 4 x 12.7 mm M2 Browning machine guns, nose-mounted (400 rpg = 1,600 total)
* 4 x 12.7 mm M2 Browning machine guns, cheek-mounted (400 rpg = 1,600 total)

=== Suspended armament ===
{{Specs-Avia-Suspended}}

{{main|AN-M30A1 (100 lb)|AN-M57 (250 lb)|AN-M64A1 (500 lb)}}

The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' can be outfitted with the following ordnance:

* Without load
* 12 x 100 lb AN-M30A1 bombs (1,200 lb total)
* 8 x 250 lb AN-M57 bombs (2,000 lb total)
* 4 x 500 lb AN-M64A1 bombs (2,000 lb total)

=== Defensive armament ===
{{Specs-Avia-Defensive}}

{{main|M2 Browning (12.7 mm)}}

The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' is defended by:

* 2 x 12.7 mm M2 Browning machine guns, dorsal turret (400 rpg = 800 total)
* 2 x 12.7 mm M2 Browning machine guns, tail turret (600 rpg = 1,200 total)
* 1 x 12.7 mm M2 Browning machine gun, 2 x beam turrets (250 rpg)

== Usage in battles ==


The best way to destroy tanks with the 75 mm cannon is to use first-person pilot view which reduces parallax because you are closer to the level of the cannon, allowing for the crosshairs to be more accurate. The shells will almost always penetrate an enemy vehicle, so shoot at the points where the crew is in mixed battles.

=== Manual Engine Control ===
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="7" | MEC elements
|-
! rowspan="2" | Mixer
! rowspan="2" | Pitch
! colspan="3" | Radiator
! rowspan="2" | Supercharger
! rowspan="2" | Turbocharger
|-
! Oil !! Water !! Type
|-
| Controllable || Controllable Not auto controlled || Not controllable Not auto controlled || Controllable Auto control available || Separate || Controllable 2 gears || Not controllable
|-
|}

=== Pros and cons ===


'''Pros:'''

* Immense firepower in the form of eight 12.7 mm machine guns and a 75 mm cannon in the nose
* Excellent defensive firepower, utilizing most of the B-25's gun positions
* Durable airframe which can withstand numerous hits before going down
* Tricycle landing gear makes takeoff and landing easier
* 75 mm AP-T shells have 50 g of explosive filler, so side-shots into vehicles are mostly one-shot eliminations

'''Cons:'''

* 75 mm cannon fires so slow that it is usually impossible to destroy more than 2 tanks when passing over a convoy
* Recoil from 75 mm cannon will literally yank the entire plane's nose off-target
* Default belt for 75mm cannon alternates between HE and APT shells, giving mixed results
* Payload is limited compared to B-25 Mitchell and configured as a dive bomber rather than a level bomber
* Performance is sluggish at best
* Twin tails create a blind spot for gunners, a trait carried by the B-25 family

== History ==


The US Navy and Marine Corps received large numbers of B-25 Mitchell bombers from the USAAF after a mid-1942 deal between the two services. A total of 248 PBJ-1H bombers were acquired by the Navy and Marine Corps.

The PBJ-1H was a navalized variant of the B-25H Mitchell bomber. Marine Corps PBJ-1H bombers were heavily modified, with an AN/APS-3 search radar in a radome on the starboard wingtip, an AN/APN-4 Loran receiver, APK-2 IFF, AN/APN-1 altimeter, SCR-522A VHF radio, ARN-8 marker beacon, C-1 automatic pilot, ATC radio transmitter, ARB receiver, YC-2B receiver, BC-348 liaison receiver, and the AN/APG-13A "Falcon" 75mm radar gun director.

The PBJ-1H was manned by a crew of seven. There was the pilot, co-pilot, navigator, two radio-gunners, a mechanic-turret gunner, and an armorer-turret gunner. The armament consisted of eight forward-firing .50 cal machine guns, and six turret and waist .50 cal machine guns, for a total of 14 .50 cal machine guns.

The Marine Corps used PBJ Mitchells as land-based bombers. By the end of 1943, the Marine Corps was operating PBJs in eight squadrons, with four more squadrons being formed (these squadrons were not operational by the end of the war). These squadrons of PBJs were first operationally deployed in 1944, and they were mainly used to interdict enemy shipping while operating out of the Philippines, Saipan, Iwo Jima, and Okinawa towards the end of the war.

== Media ==


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* [https://live.warthunder.com/feed/camouflages/?vehicle=pbj_1h Skins and camouflages for the {{PAGENAME}} from live.warthunder.com.]

;Videos
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== See also ==


;Aircraft of comparable role, configuration and era

* Douglas [[A-26 (Family)|A-26]] Invader
* De Havilland [[Mosquito (Family)|Mosquito]]
* Tupolev [[Tu-2 (Family)|Tu-2]]

;Other aircraft sporting a large-calibre gun

* [[XA-38]]
* [[Hs 129 B-3]]
* [[Ki-109]]
* [[P.108A serie 2]]

== External links ==


* [https://forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/474943-pbj-1h/ Official data sheet - more details about the performance]

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