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SPz 12-3 LGS

2023-09-20T09:34:05Z

U150049714: U150049714 moved page SPz 12-3 LGS to War Thunder Wiki:SPz 12-3 LGS: Okk

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== Description ==

The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a premium gift rank {{Specs|rank}} German light tank {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update "La Royale"]] as a reward for [[Battle Pass: Season XII, "Armour Breaking Ambusher"]].

The SPz 12-3 LGS is a German infantry fighting vehicle, which is known to be the world's first mass-produced IFV.

Equipped with a 20 mm MK20-1 autocannon and a 106 mm M40A1 recoilless rifle, the SPz 12-3 LGS can tackle light vehicles and heavier vehicles with great efficiency.

== General info ==
=== Survivability and armour ===
{{Specs-Tank-Armour}}

The protection of the SPz 12-3 is poor, even for that of a light tank. The armour is scarcely sufficient to defend itself against heavy machine gun fire, with the majority of the hull and portions of the turret easily ripped to shreds. However, the poor armour protection can sometimes be a benefit, as rounds may pass through without detonating.

The SPz 12-3's crew compartment is a bit strange in terms of layout, with 3 of the crew being cramped together in the nose of the vehicle near the turret and the other two being fairly separated from the pack. This can allow for players in this vehicle to take a hit and survive, with crew often able to simply change positions, provided the vehicle does not explode from its ammo storage being essentially all over the vehicle.

The one redeeming quality in terms of survivability this vehicle has is its extremely small profile. This enables the SPz 12-3 to very easily hide behind objects, and even operate its gun from behind appropriately sized obstacles with no risk of being destroyed, as the recoilless rifle sits well above the squishy body of this light tank.

'''Armour type:'''

* Rolled homogeneous armour (hull, turret)

{| class="wikitable"
|-
! Armour !! Front (Slope angle) !! Sides !! Rear !! Roof
|-
| Hull || 30 mm (55°) ''Upper glacis'' 20 mm (45°) ''Lower glacis'' || 15 mm (34°) ''Top'' 15 mm''Bottom'' || 20 mm (55°) ''Upper glacis'' 20 mm (45°) ''Lower glacis''|| 30 mm (35°) ''Front glacis'' 10 mm ''Crew and engine compartments'' 20 mm (35°) ''Rear glacis''
|-
| Turret || 30 mm (55°) ''Turret front'' 30 mm (cylindrical) ''Gun mantlet'' || 15 mm (14-17°) || 15 mm (14-15°) || 30 mm (35°) ''Turret front'' 10 mm (6°) ''Turret rear)''
|-
|}
'''Notes:'''

* Suspension wheels, tracks, and torsion bars are 20 mm thick.
* Belly armour is 11 mm thick.
* Track undersides are 10 mm thick.

=== Mobility ===
{{Specs-Tank-Mobility}}

The SPz 12-3 LGS is decently mobile with a somewhat average power-to-weight ratio. It is able to get up to 56 km/h forward and 13 km/h backward on road. The maximum speed off-road can average at 40-45 km/h, which is still decently mobile for a light tank. Although not as mobile as other contemporary light tank, this speed still allows you to reach advantageous position quickly on the map.

{{tankMobility|abMinHp=341|rbMinHp=195}}

=== Modifications and economy ===
{{Specs-Economy}}

== Armaments ==
{{Specs-Tank-Armaments}}
=== Main armament ===
{{Specs-Tank-Weapon|1}}

{{main|M40A1 (106 mm)}}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="100%"
|-
! colspan="5" | [[M40A1 (106 mm)|106 mm M40A1]] || colspan="5" | Turret rotation speed (°/s) || colspan="4" | Reloading rate (seconds)
|-
! Mode !! Capacity !! Vertical !! Horizontal !! Stabilizer
! Stock !! Upgraded !! Full !! Expert !! Aced
! Stock !! Full !! Expert !! Aced
|-
! ''Arcade''
| rowspan="2" | 28 || rowspan="2" | -6°/+13° || rowspan="2" | ±180° || rowspan="2" | - || 9.5 || __._ || __._ || __._ || __._ || rowspan="2" | 13.00 || rowspan="2" | __.__ || rowspan="2" | __.__ || rowspan="2" | __.__
|-
! ''Realistic''
| 5.9 || __._ || __._ || __._ || __._
|-
|}

==== Ammunition ====
The SPz 12-3 LGS uses the same recoilless rifle as widely used by multiple NATO countries, Players can utilize either the M344A1 or M361A1 projectiles as their primary ammunition. The M344A1 is a shaped charge ammunition with high penetration. This is sufficient to go through anything it faces at its BR, However the damage can be mediocre as the jet travels in straight line inside the vehicle. On the other hand, the M361A1 is a high-explosive squash head round. The penetration may look disappointing when compared to the M344A1 but the main ability of M361A1 lies with its ability to ignore angled armour. However, when the M361A1 comes into contact with spaced armour, it will do no damage because of the rounds mechanism. Both rounds are chemical energy ammunition with low fuse sensitivity, this mean the rounds can explode early if they come in contact with objects such as fences, bushes or trees. Players should take care when aiming. This also mean ERA will be able to resist it and spaced armour will be able to reduce its effectiveness. However, spaced armour is rare while ERA is not common at this BR. Both rounds also have low muzzle velocity at 503 m/s and 498 m/s. Sniping at long distance can be a problem and should be avoided due to poor muzzle velocity.

{{:M40A1 (106 mm)/Ammunition|M344A1, M361A1}}

==== [[Ammo racks]] ====
[[File:Ammoracks_{{PAGENAME}}.png|right|thumb|x250px|[[Ammo racks]] of the {{PAGENAME}}]]

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! Full ammo
! 1st rack empty
! 2nd rack empty
! 3rd rack empty
! Visual discrepancy
|-
| '''28''' || 25 ''(+3)'' || 21 ''(+7)'' || 1 ''(+27)'' || No
|-
|}
'''Notes''':

* Shells are modeled individually and disappear from the rack after having been loaded into the breech.
* Rack 3 is a first stage ammo rack. It totals 20 shells and gets filled first when loading up the tank.
* This rack is also emptied early: the rack depletion order at full capacity is: 3 - 1 - 2.
* Simply not firing when the gun is loaded will move ammo from racks 1 and 2 into rack 3. Firing will interrupt the restocking of the ready rack.

=== Additional armament ===
{{Specs-Tank-Weapon|2}}

{{main|MK20-1 (20 mm)}}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="100%"
|-
! colspan="6" | [[MK20-1 (20 mm)|20 mm MK20-1]] || colspan="5" | Turret rotation speed (°/s) || colspan="4" | Reloading rate (seconds)
|-
! Mode !! Capacity (Belt) !! Fire rate !! Vertical !! Horizontal !! Stabilizer
! Stock !! Upgraded !! Full !! Expert !! Aced
! Stock !! Full !! Expert !! Aced
|-
! ''Arcade''
| rowspan="2" | 600 (120) || rowspan="2" | 900 || rowspan="2" | -6°/+20° || rowspan="2" | ±100° || rowspan="2" | - || 29 || __._ || __._ || __._ || __._ || rowspan="2" | 9.10 || rowspan="2" | __.__ || rowspan="2" | __.__ || rowspan="2" | __.__
|-
! ''Realistic''
| 18 || __._ || __._ || __._ || __._
|-
|}

==== Ammunition ====
The SPz 12-3 LGS is also armed with a secondary autocannon with a high fire rate and able to shred light vehicles. The MK20-1 comes with 2 belts, DM51A1 and DM43. Your primary belt should be DM43 as it contains 3 HVAP rounds for 1 HEI-T round in the belt. While the DM51A1 can be used to destroy extremely light or open-topped vehicles with the HEI-T rounds in the belt. Technically, players are also able to utilize the MK20-1 to shoot at low-flying aircraft, however this should be avoided due to the poor vertical traverse and poor turret rotation speed of the gun.

* '''DM51A1:''' {{Annotation|HEFI-T|High-explosive fragmentation incendiary tracer}}{{-}}{{Annotation|HEFI-T|High-explosive fragmentation incendiary tracer}}{{-}}{{Annotation|HEFI-T|High-explosive fragmentation incendiary tracer}}{{-}}{{Annotation|HVAP-T|High-velocity armour-piercing tracer}}
* '''DM43:''' {{Annotation|HVAP-T|High-velocity armour-piercing tracer}}{{-}}{{Annotation|HVAP-T|High-velocity armour-piercing tracer}}{{-}}{{Annotation|HVAP-T|High-velocity armour-piercing tracer}}{{-}}{{Annotation|HEFI-T|High-explosive fragmentation incendiary tracer}}



==== [[Ammo racks]] ====


{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! Full ammo
! 1st rack empty
! 2nd rack empty
! 3rd rack empty
! 4th rack empty
! 5th rack empty
! 6th rack empty
! Visual discrepancy
|-
| '''5''' || __ ''(+__)'' || __ ''(+__)'' || __ ''(+__)'' || __ ''(+__)'' || __ ''(+__)'' || __ ''(+__)'' || __
|-
|}

=== Machine guns ===
{{Specs-Tank-Weapon|3}}

{{main|M80 (12.7 mm)}}
The SPz 12-3 LGS is also equipped with a spotting machine gun attached to the recoilless rifle. It doesn't have much use in an offensive capability.

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="50%"
|-
! colspan="5" | [[M80 (12.7 mm)|12.7 mm M80]]
|-
! Mount !! Capacity (Belt) !! Fire rate !! Vertical !! Horizontal
|-
| Coaxial || 120 (5) || 300 || - || -
|-
|}

== Usage in battles ==

In this vehicle, every other vehicle is a major threat to your existence. Cover, concealment, scouting, and striking first are essential if you want to effectively use this vehicle. Although it may be small and pack a punch like its Italian cousin, the [[FIAT 6614]], you will not be able to speed across the map and take up positions quickly. Lying in wait, traveling beneath cover, and striking from the sides will get you the most success. The recoilless rifle mounted on this vehicle will afford you some amount of leeway in terms of shot placement, but be aware that the drop on projectiles is quite significant, and ranging may be necessary if you are not familiar with the shot arc, even at relatively close ranges.

It is a good idea to familiarize yourself with roof height obstacles and terrain. These will allow you to occupy useful positions to fire from as your weapon sits high above the roof and can expose itself worry-free while the rest of your tank remains protected behind these objects.

=== Pros and cons ===
'''Pros:'''

* 106 mm recoilless rifle with rounds that have high penetration, able to go through most vehicles at this BR
* Decently mobile. You will be able to reach your position within few minutes of the match
* 20 mm MK20-1 autocannon will shred and destroy lightly-armoured vehicles. The autocannon can also be used to quickly shred cannon, tracks and such
* The recoilless rifle is lifted high above the vehicle. Combined with the vehicle's small size, it allows the vehicle to utilize position that can cover the entire the vehicle while letting the gun sticking out

'''Cons:'''

* Poor armour, getting hit by chemical energy shells of any type will instantly overpressure your vehicle. It is also extremely vulnerable to aircraft or machine gun fire from the side.
* The 20 mm MK20-1 cannon has poor turret traverse speed and horizontal traverse, fighting aircraft with it can be difficult.
* The 106 mm recoilless rifle rounds has a poor muzzle velocity, sniping can be difficult or entirely out of question on some maps
* The recoilless rifle rounds only has chemical energy shells, fences and trees can trigger the rounds early and ERA/spaced armour can reduce the rounds' effectiveness.

== History ==

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== Media ==


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== See also ==


;Related development

* [[Schutzenpanzer Lang (Family)]]

== External links ==


* [[wt:en/news/8363-development-battle-pass-vehicles-spz-12-3-en|[Devblog] Battle Pass vehicles: SPz 12-3]]

{{Germany light tanks}}
{{Germany premium ground vehicles}}

PT-3

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== Description ==

The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a premium rank {{Specs|rank}} American motor torpedo boat {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update 1.83 "Masters of the Sea"]] as part of the release of fleet into open beta test.

== General info ==
=== Survivability and armour ===
{{Specs-Fleet-Armour}}

The PT-3 has no external armour to protect it, and as such cannot sustain much fire before sinking. Its hull is 40 mm of wood, while the superstructure, also made of wood, is 15 mm thick. The most vulnerable sections of the ship are the bridge and the aft section housing the torpedo and depth charge racks as well as the main propulsion system. This is the area that is also the most likely to catch fire as well. When housed, the torpedo and depth charges can be detonated from sustained fire. The 12.7 mm AN-M2 machine guns cannot be knocked out separate to the ship itself. The small crew size of 12 means the PT-3 can take even less of a beating than the [[PT-6]].

=== Mobility ===
{{Specs-Fleet-Mobility}}


{{NavalMobility}}

The PT-3 has great mobility, and can achieve a top speed of 63 km/h. When compared to the [[PT-6]], the PT-3 with its shorter length overall can turn much sharper and can navigate narrow waters more easily, however it is slower than PT-6. It takes 19 seconds for the boat to make a complete circle in a turn. From a stop, it accelerates to its top speed of 63 km/h in 13 seconds. From its top speed of 63 km/h, it takes roughly 14 seconds to come to a full stop using the auto stop feature. Compared to other vehicles at its BR, it is slower than the [[LS 3]] and [[G-5]], but is faster than the [[Type T-14]] and the [[MTB-1(1)]].

=== Modifications and economy ===
{{Specs-Economy}}

== Armament ==
{{Specs-Fleet-Armaments}}
=== Primary armament ===
{{Specs-Fleet-Primary}}

{{main|AN-M2 (12.7 mm)}}

The PT-3 is armed with 2 turrets containing a single AN-M2 12.7 mm machine gun located aft of the bridge. They are placed to overlap slightly when firing forward or aft, so as to ensure that all lateral angles can be covered from aircraft and surface threats. They are unable to target aircraft that are flying directly above the ship. The guns are suitable for taking down other similarly sized boats, yet may prove inadequate against more heavily armoured opponents.

AP rounds are a good recommendation since they do similar amounts of damage to unarmoured targets as Universal belts. Additionally, using AP means you will have a better chance at penetrating the armour of low tier Soviet boats and sub-chasers.

Three different ammo belts are available:
* '''Universal:''' {{Annotation|API-T|M20 armour-piercing incendiary tracer}}{{-}}{{Annotation|AP|M2 armour-piercing}}{{-}}{{Annotation|I|M1 incendiary}}{{-}}{{Annotation|AP|M2 armour-piercing}}
* '''.50 AP belt:''' {{Annotation|API-T|M20 armour-piercing incendiary tracer}}{{-}}{{Annotation|AP|M2 armour-piercing}}{{-}}{{Annotation|AP|M2 armour-piercing}}{{-}}{{Annotation|AP|M2 armour-piercing}}
* '''.50 APIT belt:''' {{Annotation|API-T|M20 armour-piercing incendiary tracer}}{{-}}{{Annotation|API-T|M20 armour-piercing incendiary tracer}}{{-}}{{Annotation|API-T|M20 armour-piercing incendiary tracer}}{{-}}{{Annotation|I|M1 incendiary}}

{{:AN-M2 (12.7 mm)/Ammunition|AP, I, API-T}}

=== Additional armament ===
{{Specs-Fleet-Additional}}

{{main|18-inch Mk.7 (450 mm)|Mk.6 depth charge}}

2 x 450 mm Mk.7 torpedoes are located in tube launchers aft of the ship. They are guided by the direction that the ship is facing. They can be fired while the ship is stationary or reversing and require 50 m to arm before they will detonate. They are powerful enough to sink any ship within the PT-3s BR range, and have a range of 3.65 km.

You can equip 4 x Mk.6 depth charges. They are located at the stern of the boat between the torpedo tubes.

== Usage in battles ==

Sitting at the lowest BR it will occasionally fight bigger boats capable of destroying it in a single shot, but fairs pretty well against the other reserve vessels it faces off against. Compared to the PT-6, it has similar armament, yet is slower, and has a lower crew count of 12 sailors, meaning that it cannot take as much punishment as the PT-6 before sinking. In fact, the only advantages this ship has over the PT-6 is its smaller profile and tighter turn radius, making it able to easily navigate restricted waters.

There are 2 ways to play this vehicle.

* Aggressive: Keep the max speed and attempt to manoeuvre through enemy fire as you attempt to get close enough to launch torpedoes. Return fire constantly as you get closer. If you get close enough that you will cross the bow of the enemy ship, launch all depth charges with 5 (or more) second fuse delay to sink it instantly. Be mindful not to hold on to the torpedoes for too long, as they can detonate if hit and sink the ship instantly. During the reload period attempt to spin the ship around and activate smoke to retreat after firing off torpedoes.
* Reserved: This strategy is the preferred method and is more likely to keep you alive. Find a good spot on the map where you can take cover behind and have a clear line of sight on approaching vessels. Launch torpedoes at probable approaches of enemy ships. Slow yourself to a stop behind cover and attempt to point your nose in the direction of incoming enemies so as to use both .50 cals. Try to engage targets at as far away as you can reliably aim, as you do not have the armour to withstand much punishment at close quarters, especially against the German [[LS 3]]. Once you start receiving fire, or during the middle of a lengthy reload, activate your smoke and reverse into the smoke to cover you. Slightly alter your course while reversing to avoid incoming blind fire. Once the smoke has dissipated, your guns should have reloaded and you can fire again, and the smoke discharger should be mostly recharged as well. Try to pick a spot where you can ambush incoming ships, and be sure to wait for supporting allies before attempting to take cap zones.

=== Pros and cons ===


'''Pros:'''

* Main armament is effective at neutralizing both PT boats and aircraft
* Large ammo reserves for the primary armament
* Highly manoeuvrable
* Small profile
* Quick acceleration and deceleration

'''Cons:'''

* Low crew count
* Unarmoured
* Slow boat
* Machine guns take some time to reload

== History ==


The '''PT-3''' was laid down on August 1, 1939 by Fisher Boat Works in Detroit, Michigan. It was launched on April 18, 1940 and it was completed on June 20 of the same year. It entered service on July 24 and it was assigned to Motor Torpedo Boat Squadron ONE (PTRon 1) to be evaluated. PTRon 1 was the first squadron of its kind, and it was a squadron of experimental ships when it was created and was under the command of Lt. Earl S. Caldwell, USN.

It was to be given to the Royal Navy on April 19, 1942 and would have been re-designated as the HM MTB-273. However, the transfer was cancelled and was instead transferred to the Royal Canadian Air Force (RCAF) with the designation Bras D'Or (M 413). It was intended to be used as a high speed rescue launch boat. Following its service in the war, it was was returned to the US on April 10, 1945 and once again re-designated, this time as the B-119. The last transfer in its long and storied history was between the United States Navy (USN) to the War Shipping Administration on May 2, 1946.

It still survives today in rather poor condition and can be found at Flanigan Brothers Boatyard, Fairton, NJ, waiting to be restored.

The ship historically had a displacement of 25 t, a length of 58 ft, and a beam of 18 ft. It was powered by two 1,350 hp Packard gasoline engines, and had two shafts. The armament consisted of two .50 cal machine guns, two 18 inch Mk. 7 torpedoes, and two Mk. 6 depth charge racks.

== Media ==


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== See also ==
''Links to articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:''

* ''reference to the series of the ship;''
* ''links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.''

== External links ==


=== References ===

;Bibliography

* Radigan, Joseph M. PT-3. NavSource Naval History. http://www.navsource.org/archives/12/05003.htm

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