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MiG-17

2020-03-07T14:56:08Z

U14911841: minor update, the aircraft is no longer the top soviet.

{{Specs-Card|code=mig-17}}
{{About
| about = Russian jet fighter '''{{PAGENAME}}'''
| usage = other versions
| link = MiG-17 (Family)
}}

== Description ==

[[File:GarageImage_{{PAGENAME}}.jpg|420px|thumb|left]]
{{break}}
The '''MiG-17''' is a Rank V Soviet jet fighter with a battle rating of 9.0. It was introduced in Update 1.55 "Royal Armour". It is known by many names in the world, with a NATO reporting name of ''Fresco'', the Chinese name ''Shenyang J-5 (歼-5)'', and the Polish name ''PZL-Mielec Lim-5''.

== General info ==
=== Flight Performance ===

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
! rowspan="2" | Characteristics
! colspan="2" | Max Speed (km/h at 2,000 m)
! rowspan="2" | Max altitude (metres)
! colspan="2" | Turn time (seconds)
! colspan="2" | Rate of climb (metres/second)
! rowspan="2" | Take-off run (metres)
|-
! AB !! RB !! AB !! RB !! AB !! RB
|-
! Stock
| 1,097 || 1,061 || rowspan="2" | {{Specs|ceiling}} || 22.2 || 23.2 || 41.2 || 39.1 || rowspan="2" | 475
|-
! Upgraded
| 1,128 || 1,114 || 21.2 || 21.5 || 59.9 || 50.0
|-
|}

==== Details ====
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="6" | Features
|-
! Combat flaps !! Take-off flaps !! Landing flaps !! Air brakes !! Arrestor gear !! Drogue chute
|-
| X || ✓ || ✓ || ✓ || X || X 
|-
|}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="7" | Limits
|-
! rowspan="2" | Wings (km/h)
! rowspan="2" | Gear (km/h)
! colspan="3" | Flaps (km/h)
! colspan="2" | Max Static G
|-
! Combat !! Take-off !! Landing !! + !! -
|-
| {{Specs|destruction|body}} || {{Specs|destruction|gear}} || N/A || 650 || 450 || ~12 || ~5
|-
|}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="4" | Optimal velocities (km/h)
|-
! Ailerons !! Rudder !! Elevators !! Radiator
|-
| < 600 || < 700 || < 750 || N/A
|-
|}

==== Engine performance ====
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="3" | Engine
! colspan="4" | Aircraft mass
|-
! colspan="2" | Engine name || Number
! colspan="2" | Empty mass || colspan="2" | Wing loading (full fuel)
|-
| colspan="2" | Klimov VK-1 || 1
| colspan="2" | 3,868 kg || colspan="2" | 223 kg/m2
|-
! colspan="3" | Engine characteristics
! colspan="3" | Mass with fuel (no weapons load) || rowspan="2" | Max Takeoff Weight
|-
! Weight (each) || colspan="2" | Type
! 9m fuel || 20m fuel || 31m fuel
|-
| 892 kg || colspan="2" | Centrifugal-flow turbojet
| 4,209 kg || 4,625 kg || 5,041 kg || 5,485 kg
|-
! colspan="3" | {{Annotation|Maximum engine thrust @ 0 m (RB / SB)|The maximum thrust produced by each engine, while mounted in the aircraft. NOTE: Thrust varies significantly depending on speed & altitude.}}
! colspan="4" | Thrust to weight ratio @ 0 m (100%)
|-
! Condition || 100% || WEP
! 9m fuel || 20m fuel || 31m fuel || MTOW
|-
| ''Stationary'' || 2,450 kgf || N/A
| 0.58 || 0.53 || 0.49 || 0.45
|-
| ''Optimal'' || 2,450 kgf (0 km/h) || N/A
| 0.58 || 0.53 || 0.49 || 0.45
|-
|}

=== Survivability and armour ===


* 60 mm Bulletproof glass in cockpit front.
* 16 mm Steel plates behind the pilot.
* 10 mm Steel plate in the nose.

== Armaments ==
=== Offensive armament ===

{{main|N-37D (37 mm)|NR-23 (23 mm)}}

The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' is armed with:

* 1 x 37 mm N-37D cannon, nose-mounted (40 rpg)
* 2 x 23 mm NR-23 cannon, nose-mounted (80 rpg = 160 total)

=== Suspended armament ===

{{main|OFAB-250-270 (500 kg)|S5K|S5M|S21}}

The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' can be outfitted with external ordinance such as:

* Without load
* 2 x 250 kg OFAB-250-270 bombs (500 kg total)
* 16 x S5K rockets
* 16 x S5M rockets
* 2 x S21 rockets

== Usage in battles ==

The newly gained top speed performance and maneuverbility come at a hefty price. Turn rate and low speed flexibility is gone, due the stronger swept wing design and gained a quarter·tonnes.

Acceleration also takes a hit, especially on take-off the predecessor will rush ahead.

As some positive characteristics traits of the MiG-15 vanish, some negative aspect vanish. The newly designed tail enables far better control close over Mach 0.8 (it still lacks a flying tail though) and the roll rate also significantly improved. Manual limitation set the airframe at positive 8G, with the increased control the likelihood of over stressing your airframe is easy and a steady hand required in evasive maneuvers.

===Modules===
{| class="wikitable"
! colspan="1" | Tier
! colspan="2" | Flight performance
! colspan="1" | Survivability
! colspan="3" | Weaponry
|-
| I
| Fuselage Repair
| Compressor
|
| Offensive 23 mm
|
| BD-2-48
|-
| II
| New Boosters
|
| Airframe
|
| Offensive 37 mm
| S5K
|-
| III
| Wings Repair
|
|
| New 23 mm Cannons
|
| S5M
|-
| IV
| G-Suit
| Engine
| Cover
|
| New 37 mm Cannons
| S21
|-
|}

=== Pros and cons ===


'''Pros:'''

* Incredibly fast in a dive.
* Excellent climb speed, almost same as the [[MiG-15bis|MiG-15 bis]]
* Very good maneuverability at low to medium speeds, also better maneuverability than its predecessor at high speed
* Excellent energy retention, but if you turn too hard, expect to lose a few hundred km/h
* Can safely reach a speed of 1,150 km/h when diving
* Unless rolling and pulling up at the same time, its hard to break your wings in turn
* Similarities with [[MiG-15bis|MiG-15 bis]] means the play style between the two are quite similar

'''Cons:'''

* Roll rate is not very good, but its still better than that of the the [[MiG-15bis|MiG-15 bis]]
* Guns are hard to aim and lead due to their relatively low muzzle velocity; small ammo capacity
* Different trajectory performances between 23 mm and 37 mm; requires experience and practice to use the weapons
* Poor acceleration in speeds between 800 - 1,100 km/h
* Doesn't do well in uptiers due to lack of air-to-air missles, afterburner and radar
* Engine easily overheats, throttle management necessary

== History ==

The Korean war showed that the MiG-15 and [[MiG-15bis|MiG-15 bis]] fighters were able to battle any aerial opponent at least on equal terms. The MiG-17 was a further development of the MiG-15 design that had proven itself so well. It was decided to increase the aircraft’s speed by increasing the sweep of the wing and the fuselage being lengthened to maintain the centre of gravity. The [[MiG-15|MiG-15]] and MiG-17 show almost no differences at first glance. The prototype of the MiG-17 was even called the MiG-15bis45. However, only the frontal parts of the fuselage are the same, from the air intake to the wing, if you don’t count the landing headlight that had been moved to the left wing and some minor details.

These aircraft are different in every other way. It is easy to see the main differences when you look from above. By comparing the side profiles, you can see that in addition to the difference in fuselage length there are differences in the tail fin and an additional ventral fin which allows you to immediately tell the MiG-17 apart from the MiG-15. The upper part of the fins and the rudders of the aircraft are different, the juncture between the fin and the stabilizer fin also differs, but this can only be seen close up. The wing sweep of the stabilizer fin was also increased and there were also changes to elevators. The air brakes also differ in shape and size. The depth of the housing was decreased, so a cigar-shaped cowl was created to hide the cylinder. There were very significant changes to the wing. Apart from an increased wing sweep, a leading edge break appeared and the tips became rounder, which helps differentiate the aircraft when looking at them from above or below. While the Mig-15 had two aerodynamic ridges on the top surface of its wings, the MiG-17 had three.

The change in the shape of the wing led to appropriate changes in the construction of the flaps. The new geometry of the main landing gear legs required for the cover to be altered. The structure of the canopy also saw some changes. However, the first versions of the MiG-17 had the same canopies as the [[MiG-15bis|MiG-15 bis]]. Apart from changes to the design of the canopy framing (which is not actually that noticeable from afar), a rear-view mirror was introduced that would allow the aircraft to be recognized from further away. There were no significant changes to the cockpit. Overall, the MiG-17 looks even more aesthetically pleasing and streamlined than its predecessor.

== Media ==


* [https://live.warthunder.com/feed/camouflages/?vehicleCountry=ussr&vehicleType=aircraft&vehicleClass=jet_fighter&vehicle=mig-17 Skins and camouflages for the MiG-17 from live.warthunder]

== See also ==
''Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:''

* ''reference to the series of the aircraft;''
* ''links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.''

== External links ==


* [https://warthunder.com/en/devblog/current/857/ [Devblog<nowiki>]</nowiki> MiG-17]

{{AirManufacturer MiG}}
{{USSR jet aircraft}}

Whirlwind Mk I

2020-03-03T16:42:17Z

U14911841: wings speed limit (676 kph)

{{Specs-Card|code=whirlwind_mk1}}
{{About
| about = British twin-engine fighter '''{{PAGENAME}}'''
| usage = the other version
| link = Whirlwind P.9
}}

== Description ==

[[File:GarageImage_{{PAGENAME}}.jpg|420px|thumb|left]]
{{break}}
The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a rank {{Specs|rank}} British twin-engine fighter {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update 1.75 "La Résistance"]].

== General info ==
=== Flight performance ===
''Describe how the aircraft behaves in the air. Speed, manoeuvrability, acceleration and allowable loads - these are the most important characteristics of the vehicle.''

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
! rowspan="2" | Characteristics
! colspan="2" | Max Speed (km/h at 4,877 m)
! rowspan="2" | Max altitude (meters)
! colspan="2" | Turn time (seconds)
! colspan="2" | Rate of climb (meters/second)
! rowspan="2" | Take-off run (meters)
|-
! AB !! RB !! AB !! RB !! AB !! RB
|-
! Stock
| 559 || 543 || rowspan="2" | {{Specs|ceiling}} || 24.2 || 25.2 || colspan="2" | 12.2 || rowspan="2" | 650
|-
! Upgraded
| 601 || 580 || 21.9 || 23.0 || 18.2 || 15.0
|-
|}

==== Details ====
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="6" | Features
|-
! Combat flaps !! Take-off flaps !! Landing flaps !! Air brakes !! Arrestor gear !! Drogue chute
|-
| ✓ || ✓ || ✓ || X || X || X 
|-
|}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="7" | Limits
|-
! rowspan="2" | Wings (km/h)
! rowspan="2" | Gear (km/h)
! colspan="3" | Flaps (km/h)
! colspan="2" | Max Static G
|-
! Combat !! Take-off !! Landing !! + !! -
|-
|676|| {{Specs|destruction|chassis}} || 490 || ___ || 265 || ~10 || ~5
|-
|}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="4" | Optimal velocities (km/h)
|-
! Ailerons !! Rudder !! Elevators !! Radiator
|-
| < 420 || < 420 || < 450 || > 324
|-
|}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! Compressor
! Optimal altitude
! 100% Engine power
! WEP Engine power
|-
! Setting 1
| 4,575 m || 885 hp || 947 hp
|-
|}

=== Survivability and armour ===


* 60 mm Bulletproof glass in cockpit front.
* 9 mm Steel plates in the nose.
* 4 mm Steel plate in pilot's seat.
* 6 mm Steel plate behind the pilot.

== Armaments ==
=== Offensive armament ===

{{main|Hispano Mk.I (20 mm)}}

The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' is armed with:

* 4 x 20 mm Hispano Mk.I cannons, nose-mounted (60 rpg = 240 total)

=== Suspended armament ===

{{main|G.P. 250 lb Mk.IV (250 lb)|G.P. 500 lb Mk.IV (500 lb)}}

The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' can be outfitted with the following ordnance:

* Without load
* 2 x 250 lb G.P. 250 lb Mk.IV bombs (500 lb total)
* 2 x 500 lb G.P. 500 lb Mk.IV bombs (1,000 lb total)

== Usage in battles ==

The Whirlwind Mk I should be used similarly to other heavy fighters. The flight characteristics are very similar to the [[Whirlwind P.9]] with the main difference being significantly less ammo.

The Whirlwind Mk I is very effective in a boom and zoom role due to its good climb rate and powerful armament. However, the relatively low wing break speed in RB does limit you in this role. The Whirlwind Mk I has a good turn rate for a heavy fighter, but will be easily out turned by single-engined fighters. The use of combat flaps will help to balance out this disadvantage. Care must be taken when using the combat flaps, however, as the are prone to snapping off at a relatively low speed.

At this BR you will see many [[BV 238]]s and [[Me 264]]s. Heading on these bombers will usually guarantee you a kill, but you still need to be careful of the powerful defensive armament of them. The Whirlwind Mk I has relatively little ammunition with only 60 rounds per gun. It is important to be accurate to be successful with this aircraft. To help with accuracy try to get very close to the target before shooting.

=== Manual Engine Control ===
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="7" | MEC elements
|-
! rowspan="2" | Mixer
! rowspan="2" | Pitch
! colspan="3" | Radiator
! rowspan="2" | Supercharger
! rowspan="2" | Turbocharger
|-
! Oil !! Water !! Type
|-
| Controllable || Controllable Not auto controlled || Controllable Auto control available || Controllable Auto control available || Separate || Not controllable 1 gear || Not controllable
|-
|}

===Modules===
{| class="wikitable"
! Tier
! colspan="2" | Flight performance
! Survivability
! colspan="2" | Weaponry
|-
| I
| Fuselage repair
| Radiator
|
| Offensive 20 mm
| SBC mk.II
|-
| II
|
| Compressor
| Airframe
|
|
|-
| III
| Wings repair
| Engine
|
| New 20 mm cannons
| MBC mk.II
|-
| IV
|
| Engine injection
| Cover
|
|
|-
|}

=== Pros and cons ===


'''Pros:'''

* Devastating nose-mounted 20mm Hispano armament.
* Great for head-ons.
* Good turn rate when upgraded for a twin engined fighter.
* Able to carry bombs, unlike P.9 Variant

'''Cons:'''

* Poor climb rate.
* Under-powered engines.
* Drum-fed Hispano Mk1s. Only 60 rounds per gun. You must make every round count.
* Inaccurate Hispano Mk1 cannons. Precise aiming is hard.
* Poor roll rate
* Quite slow level flight speed
* Unfavourable matchmaking puts you up against some very challenging opponents

== History ==

The Westland Whirlwind was designed after a specification was issued by the British Air Ministry. The specification called for a cannon-armed day and night fighter. The Air Ministry wanted a top speed of at least 530 km/h at an altitude of 4,600m. Out of five designs offered by the companies. The Air Ministry decided to go with Westland's design for several important reasons. The cannon was mounted on the nose so that the recoil does not affect the accuracy of the gun. There were also no convergence problem as compared to other single-engine fighters with wing mounted guns. The requirements also led to the world's first bubble canopies on a plane. However the decision to arm the Spitfire with cannon and the development of other twin engine fighters such as the Bristol Beaufighter has led Fighter Command to use the Whirlwind less and less as the war progressed. The first batch of Rolls-Royce Peregrine engines were also delayed. It was also found that the engine was severely under-powered and the drum magazines used to feed the cannons were small in capacity. All of this has resulted in the Whirlwind's cancellation and resulted in the plane only equipping two RAF squadrons.

== Media ==
''Excellent additions to the article would be video guides, screenshots from the game, and photos.''

== See also ==
''Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:''

* ''reference to the series of the aircraft;''
* ''links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.''

== External links ==
''Paste links to sources and external resources, such as:''

* ''topic on the official game forum;''
* ''encyclopedia page on the aircraft;''
* ''other literature.''

{{AirManufacturer Westland}}
{{Britain strike and twin-engine fighters}}

Z.1007 bis serie 5

2020-03-02T11:43:53Z

U14911841: wing break speed in kph

{{Specs-Card|code=z_1007_bis_serie5}}
{{About
| about = Italian bomber '''{{PAGENAME}}'''
| usage = the other version
| link = Z.1007 bis serie 3
}}

== Description ==

[[File:GarageImage_{{PAGENAME}}.jpg|420px|thumb|left]]
{{break}}
The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a rank {{Specs|rank}} Italian bomber {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update 1.69 "Regia Aeronautica"]].

The Z.1007 bis serie 5 is a relatively versatile medium bomber, sacrificing defensive armament and instead focusing on speed in order to avoid interception. It has a relatively decent bomb-load with several options for use against different kinds of targets from AA, pillboxes, tanks to ships.

The Z.1007 bis is a distinct upgrade over the [[S.M.79 (Family)|SM.79 series]] in every aspect. It can carry an extra 6 x 100 kg bombs on external racks in addition to the internal 2 x 500 kg bombs, which is 600 kg more than any of the SM.79 series can carry. This load-out is the best one against bases. It can also carry an extra 250 kg bomb over the SM.79 series for a total of 6 x 250 kg bombs. This payload is better for destroying tanks, but requires precise aim to destroy pillboxes; the 500 kg bombs may be more forgiving if attacking them from altitude. It can also carry a single torpedo for use against shipping.

In order to make up for the weak power output of Italian engines, the Z.1007 bis has the tri-motor configuration characteristic of Italian bombers. The combined horsepower of the three engines provides decent flight performance, but losing even a single engine will immensely degrade it. The Z.1007 bis is also faster than the SM.79 series, which is fortunate because it has a relatively poor defensive armament despite its good coverage. The dorsal turret can cover 360 degrees, but is armed with only one of the relatively weak Italian 12.7 mm machine guns. The beam 7.7 mm guns are effectively worthless, and should not be depended upon. The ventral 12.7 mm machine gun provides limited coverage to attacks from below.

Compared to its earlier predecessor the [[Z.1007 bis serie 3|serie 3]] it features a twin tail (Italian: ''bideriva'') and a miniscule better top speed.

== General info ==
=== Flight Performance ===

Alright maneuverability at slow speeds with a bad roll rate the Z.1007 is a generic medium bomber with expectable performance and decent speed to its name. The elevator starts to slowly lock up above 200 km/h and continues to do so in a linear fashion, however it neatly prevents overstressing and breaking the wings with G-forces. Compared to the S.M.79 it lacks combat flaps and leading slats, increasing the stall speed. Further the Z.1007 also features worse lock up and comparable maneuverability. Fortunately the acceleration and top speed are far better, yet the Alcione will not outrun any fighter or heavy fighter, too.

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="8" | Characteristics
|-
! colspan="8" | ''Stock''
|-
! colspan="2" | Max Speed (km/h at 4,500 m)
! rowspan="2" | Max altitude (meters)
! colspan="2" | Turn time (seconds)
! colspan="2" | Rate of climb (meters/second)
! rowspan="2" | Take-off run (meters)
|-
! AB
! RB
! AB
! RB
! AB
! RB
|-
| 438 || 424 || {{Specs|ceiling}} || 33.0 || 34.0 || 4.8 || 4.7 || 450
|-
! colspan="8" | ''Upgraded''
|-
! colspan="2" | Max Speed (km/h at 4,500 m)
! rowspan="2" | Max altitude (meters)
! colspan="2" | Turn time (seconds)
! colspan="2" | Rate of climb (meters/second)
! rowspan="2" | Take-off run (meters)
|-
! AB
! RB
! AB
! RB
! AB
! RB
|-
| 464 || 450 || {{Specs|ceiling}} || 31.1 || 32.0 || 7.7 || 6.2 || 450
|-
|}

====Details====
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="5" | Features
|-
! Combat flaps
! Take-off flaps
! Landing flaps
! Air brakes
! Arrestor gear
|-
| X || ✓ || ✓ || X || X 
|-
|}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="5" | Limits
|-
! rowspan="2" | Wing-break speed (km/h)
! rowspan="2" | Gear limit (km/h)
! rowspan="2" | Combat flaps (km/h)
! colspan="2" | Max Static G
|-
! +
! -
|-
| 530{{Specs|destruction|constructions}} || {{Specs|destruction|chassis}} || N/A || ~3 || ~1
|-
|}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="4" | Optimal velocities
|-
! Ailerons (km/h)
! Rudder (km/h)
! Elevators (km/h)
! Radiator (km/h)
|-
| < 260 || < 270 || < 270 || > 200
|-
|}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="3" | Compressor (RB/SB)
|-
! colspan="3" | Setting 1
|-
! Optimal altitude
! 100% Engine power
! WEP Engine power
|-
| 4,000 m || 1,000 hp || N/A
|-
|}

=== Survivability and armour ===

Being an all wooden design and designed as a fast bomber the Z.1007 lacks any sort of protection and solely relies on its speed to survive on the battlefield. Despite the lack of armour it takes a few shots to pilot snipe from the rear as in the narrow fuselage the gunners act literal meat shields, quite macabre.
== Armaments ==
=== Suspended armament ===

{{main|:Category:Suspended armaments|l1=Suspended armaments}}

The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' can be outfitted with the following ordnance:

* 18 x 50 kg GP 50 bombs (900 kg total)
* 18 x 100 kg GP 100 bombs (1,800 kg total)
* 1 x 450 mm F200/450 torpedo
* 4 x 250 kg GP 250 bombs + 12 x 100 kg GP 100 bombs (2,200 kg total)
* 6 x 250 kg GP 250 bombs + 3 x 50 kg GP 50 bombs (1,650 kg total)
* 6 x 250 kg GP 250 bombs + 3 x 100 kg GP 100 bombs (1,800 kg total)
* 2 x 500 kg GP 500 bombs + 6 x 100 kg GP 100 bombs (1,600 kg total)
* 2 x 500 kg GP 500 bombs + 4 x 250 kg GP 250 bombs (2,000 kg total)
* 1 x 800 kg GP 800 bomb + 3 x 50 kg GP 50 bombs (950 kg total)
* 1 x 800 kg GP 800 bomb + 3 x 100 kg GP 100 bombs (1,100 kg total)
* 1 x 800 kg GP 800 bomb + 9 x 100 kg GP 100 bombs (1,700 kg total)
* 1 x 800 kg GP 800 bomb + 4 x 250 kg GP 250 bombs + 3 x 100 kg GP 100 bombs (2,100 kg total)

Many payload option utilize the wing mounts and consequently reduce the crucial top speed. However only using the internal bomb bay limits the ordnance to a mere 1100 kg total. Depending on load-out option the external bombs may even drop last e.g. the heaviest last one. In average a single Z.1007 can take out 1.5x bases in an uptier and close to 2x in a downtier.

Noteworthy is the internally mounted torpedo. The F200/450 is with a drop speed of 300 km/h @ max. 100 m altitude (273 f/s @ 328 feet) quite mediocre, but features a very high in water speed of 80 km/h (73 f/s).

=== Defensive armament ===

{{main|Scotti M1933 (12.7 mm)|Breda-SAFAT (12.7 mm)|Breda-SAFAT (7.7 mm)}}

The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' is defended by:

* 1 x 12.7 mm Breda-SAFAT machine gun, ventral turret (350 rpg)
* 1 x 12.7 mm Scotti M1933 machine gun, dorsal turret (350 rpg)
* 1 x 7.7 mm Breda-SAFAT machine gun, 2 x beam turrets (500 rpg)

Worse than average, the defensive turrets can only boast decent firing arcs, ventral and dorsal turret feature overlapping rear fields of fire. However a frontal gun is missing entirely and is only covered by turning the dorsal turret by 180° which takes time.

== Usage in battles ==


Lacking in both defensive armament and protection, not to mention blessed with early control lock-up speeds the Z.1007 is pushed into the role of a hit-and-run bomber. Either against ground bases with mediocre success or as ground support against stationary ground units and armoured columns. The latter option is quite viable with mutliple drops available per run depending on the load-out, learning the drop order of the payload allows to maximize the effect of each bomb by selecting the approbiate target in ground strike missions.

For [[:Category:Game_modes#Realistic_Battles|tank battles]] the control lock-up disables any dive bombing attempts with a landing you cannot walk away from, even though the wing pylons make it technically possible. Necessitating a straight, direct and deliberate fly-over the target zone with the narrow field of view bomb sight. As this makes the attack run easy to track and even easier to intercept. Thusly it is not recommended for any mixed game mode with the exception of naval battles. With an internally bomb bay mounted torpedo the Alcione does not suffer a speed penalty like many other medium torpedo bombers. Mind though: The travel distance is only 3 km in water and it isn't a small aircraft. A suicide run is the most likely outcome of any engagement, unless one manages to align the attack run with several islands for cover.

The biggest difference between the serie 5 from the serie 3 is the twin tail configuration on the serie 5, which eliminates the dorsal turret's dead-zone created by the earlier's single tail. Other than that, they are virtually identical.

===Manual Engine Control===
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="7" | MEC elements
|-
! rowspan="2" | Mixer
! rowspan="2" | Pitch
! colspan="3" | Radiator
! rowspan="2" | Supercharger
! rowspan="2" | Turbocharger
|-
! Oil
! Water
! Type
|-
| Controllable || rowspan="2" | Controllable Not auto controlled || rowspan="2" | Controllable Not auto controlled || rowspan="2" | Controllable Not auto controlled || rowspan="2" | Separate || rowspan="2" | Not controllable 1 gear || rowspan="2" | Not controllable
|-
|}

===Modules===
{| class="wikitable"
! colspan="1" | Tier
! colspan="2" | Flight performance
! colspan="1" | Survivability
! colspan="2" | Weaponry
|-
| I
| Fuselage repair
| Radiator
|
| Turret 7 mm
| TBC-79
|-
| II
|
| Compressor
| Airframe
| New 7 mm MGs (turret)
| MCGP250
|-
| III
| Wings repair
| Engine
|
| Turret 12 mm
| MCRO500
|-
| IV
|
|
| Cover
| New 12 mm MGs (turret)
| MCGP800
|-
|}

# Get ''Radiator'' for the speed boost and also the boost to cooling, then the ''TBC-79''.
# Next, get the ''MCGP250'' and ''Compressor'' upgrades to unlock the 250 kg bombs and a slight performance boost, respectively.
# Unlock the ''MCRO500'' upgrade to use the 2 x 500 kg + 6 x 100 kg bomb loadout. This is the loadout that does the most damage to bases, and the 500 kg bomb is easier to use against pillboxes.
# Focus on performance upgrades over defensive armament.
# The ''MCGP800'' upgrade with 800 kg bombs is actually worse than the ''MCRO500'' against bases, and can be left as the last upgrade.

=== Pros and cons ===


'''Pros:'''

* Dorsal turret can traverse 360 degrees
* Decent speed and performance
* Decent bomb-load
* Central engine provides some protection to the crew against head-on attacks

'''Cons:'''

* Poor defensive armament
* Under-powered engines; losing one dramatically impacts flight performance
* Aircraft crew are closely bunched up together
* Non-existent armour
* No defensive armament at the front of the plane
* Tends to overheat on summer maps

== History ==

One of the three standard Italian wartime bombers, alongside the S.M. 79 and the B.R. 20, the Z.1007 had speed, armament, good range, and an acceptable bombload. It was used on all Italian fronts despite being of all-wood construction. Also known as the Alcione, it was designed by Filippo Zappata and built by ''Cantieri Aeronautici e Navali Triestini'' (Trieste Shipbuilding and Naval Aeronautics), with the prototype debuting in spring, 1937. After 34 original models, production shifted to the bis model, with a more powerful radial engine; over 400 of this model would ultimately be built. They conducted combat tests with Italian forces in Belgium during the Battle of Britain in September, 1940, used for diversionary actions only. Their real combat debut was a month later, during the Greek campaign. They also flew in Africa and the Mediterranean. They were not used much in Russia. A total of 560 were built, with about 60 still in service when Italy surrendered. About 30 continued on after, now in Allied service, in the Balkans.

== Media ==

{{Youtube-gallery|67tQxwYb8lc|'''"Update 1.69 - Z. 1007 bis serie 3/5"''' by ''TheEuropeanCanadian''}}

* [https://live.warthunder.com/post/613165/en/ Skin: 9° Stormo, 59^ Squadriglia, 29° Gruppo. Chinisia 1941 - by ''BlueBeta'']
* [https://live.warthunder.com/post/637490/en/ Skin: C.R.D.A. CANT Z.1007 bis Alcione, M.M. 196-6 of 193a ' Squadriglia, 87° Gruppo, 30° Stormo, Gadurra, Forli, late sommer 1941 - by ''xcr_rvj'']

== See also ==


* [[S.M.79 (Family)|S.M.79]] - research tree rank 2 predecessor
* [[Z.1007 bis serie 3|CANT Z.1007 bis serie 3]] - production predecessor
* [[SB 2M-100|SB 2]], [[Ar-2]], [[Ki-49 (Family)|Ki-49]], [[S.M.79 (Family)|S.M.79]] and [[Ju 88 (Family)|Ju 88]] - similar in flight and combat style

== External links ==


* [https://forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/266497-cant-z1007bister-medium-bomber-official-thread/ WT Forum: CANT Z1007/bis/ter medium bomber official thread]
* [https://forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/365066-cant-z1007-bis-v-serie/ WT Forum: Flight Model Data Sheet]
* [[Wikipedia:CANT_Z.1007|[Wikipedia] CANT Z.1007]]
* [https://www.militaryfactory.com/aircraft/detail.asp?aircraft_id=813 Militaryfactory.com - CANT Z.1007 Alcione (Kingfisher)]

{{AirManufacturer CANT}}
{{Italy bombers}}

M.S.410

2019-12-11T19:45:11Z

U14911841: added speed characteristics for air rb.

{{Specs-Card|code=ms_410c1}}

== Description ==

[[File:GarageImage_M.S.410.jpg|420px|thumb|left]]
{{break}}
The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a Rank {{Specs|rank}} French fighter {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update 1.73 "Vive la France"]].

== General info ==
=== Flight Performance ===
''Describe how the aircraft behaves in the air. Maximum speed, maneuverability, speed and allowable loads - these are the most important characteristics of the vehicle.''-

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="8" | Characteristics
|-
! colspan="8" | ''Stock''
|-
! colspan="2" | Max Speed (km/h at 4,000 m)
! rowspan="2" | Max altitude (meters)
! colspan="2" | Turn time (seconds)
! colspan="2" | Rate of climb (meters/second)
! rowspan="2" |Take-off run (meters)
|-
! AB
! RB
! AB
! RB
! AB
! RB
|-
| ? || ? || {{Specs|ceiling}} || ??.? || ??.? || ??.? || ??.? || ???
|-
! colspan="8" | ''Upgraded''
|-
! colspan="2" | Max Speed (km/h at 4,000 m)
! rowspan="2" |Max altitude (meters)
! colspan="2" | Turn time (seconds)
! colspan="2" | Rate of climb (meters/second)
! rowspan="2" |Take-off run (meters)
|-
! AB
! RB
! AB
! RB
! AB
! RB
|-
| ? ||477||9800|| ??.? ||20.0|| ?.? ||11.9||300
|-
|}

====Details====
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="5" | Features
|-
! Combat flap
! Take-off flap
! Landing flap
! Air brakes
! Arrestor gear
|-
| X || X || X || X || X 
|-
|}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="5" | Limits
|-
! rowspan="2" | Wing-break speed (km/h)
! rowspan="2" | Gear limit (km/h)
! rowspan="2" | Combat flap (km/h)
! colspan="2" | Max Static G
|-
! +
! -
|-
| ??? || ??? || ??? || ~?? || ~?
|-
|}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="4" | Optimal velocities
|-
! Ailerons (km/h)
! Rudder (km/h)
! Elevators (km/h)
! Radiator (km/h)
|-
| < ??? || < ??? || < ??? || > ???
|-
|}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="3" | Compressor (RB/SB)
|-
! colspan="3" | Setting 1
|-
! Optimal altitude
! 100% Engine power
! WEP Engine power
|-
| ?,??? m || ??? hp || ?,??? hp
|-

|}

=== Survivability and armour ===


* 70 mm Bulletproof glass in front of pilot.
* 6 mm Steel plates behind the pilot's head.

== Armaments ==
=== Offensive armament ===

{{main|MAC 1934 (7.5 mm)|Hispano 404 (20 mm)}}

The {{PAGENAME}} is armed with:

* 4 x 7.5 mm [[MAC 1934 (7.5 mm)|MAC 1934]] machine guns (500 rpg = 2,000 total)
* 1 x 20 mm [[Hispano_404_(20_mm)|Hispano 404]] cannon, nose-mounted (60 rpg = 60 total)

The four machine guns are arranged in bundles of two mounted in each wing. Each are armed with the same amount of ammunition, which means that all guns will fire with each other until empty. The Hispano 404 cannon is nose mounted, terminating at the prop spinner.

== Usage in battles ==

The M.S.410 is a respectably balanced fighter, able to both turn and energy fight with reasonable performance in both roles. The typical French combo of 7.5mm MGs and 20mm Hispanio cannon though the spinner allows you to take on even the toughest of targets at your rank with little issue in landing hard-hitting knock-outs.

Some aircraft will be able to outrun you, such as the early German air superiority fighters, and others like the Japanese will be able to outturn you, but very few planes will be able to do both. Use this to your advantage to gain the upper hand in the furball.

===Manual Engine Control===
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="7" | MEC elements
|-
! rowspan="2" |Mixer
! rowspan="2" |Pitch
! colspan="3" |Radiator
! rowspan="2" |Supercharger
! rowspan="2" |Turbocharger
|-
! Oil
! Water
! Type
|-
| Not controllable || Controllable Automatic pitch || Controllable || Not controllable || Combined || Controllable || Not controllable
|-
|-
|}

===Modules===
{| class="wikitable"
! Tier
! Flight performance
! Survivability
! Weaponry
|-
| I
|
|
|
|-
| II
|
|
|
|-
| III
|
|
|
|-
| IV
|
|
|
|-
|}

=== Pros and cons ===


'''Pros:'''

* Effective dive speed
* Decent ammo count in armaments
* Acceptable flat line speed

'''Cons:'''

* Low amount of cannon rounds (60 rpg)
* Low energy retention
* Terrible low speed control
* Extremely difficult to extinguish on-plane fires

== History ==

As the M.S.406 began entering squadron service in 1939, engineers at Morane-Saulnier continued working on the design, aiming to improve it. Several changes were made to the base design, which included the replacement of the old wing design with a new one, increased and improved offensive capabilities and the replacement of the old retractable radiator with a fixed one, among others. The applied changes resulted in the new M.S.410 being able to achieve somewhat better performance than its predecessor, namely reaching a slightly higher top speed. Right after the M.S.410 entered production, France capitulated in June 1940, halting the production of the aircraft after the fifth machine was constructed.

Production of the M.S.410 was temporarily halted after the German occupation, but resumed shortly after under German supervision. Before France’s capitulation, an order for 500 M.S.410s was placed. Needless to say, this production quota was never met, even under German supervision. In the end, only around 70 examples of the M.S.410 were manufactured, most of which consisted of M.S.406 airframes being converted to the 410 standard. Even then, a large number of these machines were only partially upgraded to the 410 standard, leaving many examples as hybrid models.

''- From [https://warthunder.com/en/news/5113-development-m-s-410-the-duelist-en Devblog]''

== Media ==
''Excellent additions to the article would be video guides, screenshots from the game, and photos.''

== See also ==
''Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:''

* ''reference to the series of the aircraft;''
* ''links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.''

== External links ==


* [https://warthunder.com/en/news/5113-development-m-s-410-the-duelist-en [Devblog<nowiki>]</nowiki> M.S.410: The Duelist]

{{France fighters}}

F6F-5N

2019-12-11T08:02:42Z

U14911841: wing break speed in realistic battles

{{Specs-Card
|code=f6f-5n
|cockpit=334567/1111203
}}
{{About
| about = American naval fighter '''{{PAGENAME}}'''
| other
| usage-1 = the French version
| link-1 = F6F-5N (France)
| usage-2 = other versions
| link-2 = F6F (Family)
}}

== Description ==

[[File:GarageImage_{{PAGENAME}}.jpg|420px|thumb|left]]
{{break}}
The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a rank {{Specs|rank}} American naval fighter {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update 1.65 "Way of the Samurai"]].

== General info ==
=== Flight performance ===
''Describe how the aircraft behaves in the air. Speed, manoeuvrability, acceleration and allowable loads - these are the most important characteristics of the vehicle.''

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="8" | Characteristics
|-
! colspan="8" | ''Stock''
|-
! colspan="2" | Max Speed (km/h at 5,730 m)
! rowspan="2" | Max altitude (meters)
! colspan="2" | Turn time (seconds)
! colspan="2" | Rate of climb (meters/second)
! rowspan="2" | Take-off run (meters)
|-
! AB !! RB !! AB !! RB !! AB !! RB
|-
| 602 || 581 || {{Specs|ceiling}} || 22.2 || 23.1 || 8.1 || 8.1 || 399
|-
! colspan="8" | ''Upgraded''
|-
! colspan="2" | Max Speed (km/h at 5,730 m)
! rowspan="2" | Max altitude (meters)
! colspan="2" | Turn time (seconds)
! colspan="2" | Rate of climb (meters/second)
! rowspan="2" | Take-off run (meters)
|-
! AB !! RB !! AB !! RB !! AB !! RB
|-
| 661 || 629 || {{Specs|ceiling}} || 19.8 || 21.0 || 16.7 || 11.8 || 399
|-
|}

==== Details ====
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="5" | Features
|-
! Combat flaps !! Take-off flaps !! Landing flaps !! Air brakes !! Arrestor gear
|-
| ✓ || ✓ || ✓ || X || ✓ 
|-
|}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="5" | Limits
|-
! rowspan="2" | Wing-break speed (km/h)
! rowspan="2" | Gear limit (km/h)
! rowspan="2" | Combat flaps (km/h)
! colspan="2" | Max Static G
|-
! + !! -
|-
|803|| {{Specs|destruction|chassis}} || 510 || ~11 || ~4
|-
|}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="4" | Optimal velocities
|-
! Ailerons (km/h)
! Rudder (km/h)
! Elevators (km/h)
! Radiator (km/h)
|-
| < 432 || < 420 || < 420 || > 420
|-
|}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="3" | Compressor (RB/SB)
|-
! colspan="3" | Setting 1
|-
! Optimal altitude
! 100% Engine power
! WEP Engine power
|-
| 518 m || 2,000 hp || 2,398 hp
|-
! colspan="3" | Setting 2
|-
! Optimal altitude
! 100% Engine power
! WEP Engine power
|-
| 4,724 m || 1,800 hp || 2,158 hp
|-
! colspan="3" | Setting 3
|-
! Optimal altitude
! 100% Engine power
! WEP Engine power
|-
| 6,400 m || 1,650 hp || 1,978 hp
|-
|}

=== Survivability and armour ===


* 3 mm steel - below the engine and above cooling system
* 6.35 mm steel - behind the pilot
* 38 mm bulletproof glass - armoured windscreen

== Armaments ==
=== Offensive armament ===
[[File:F6F_Pilot_Protection.png|thumb|right|300px|A page from the F63/F6F pilots manual detailing protective angles against enemy weapons.]]

{{main|AN/M2 (20 mm)|Browning M2 (12.7 mm)}}

The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' is armed with:

* 2 x 20 mm AN/M2 cannons, wing-mounted (231 rpg = 462 total)
* 4 x 12.7 mm Browning M2 machine guns, wing-mounted (400 rpg = 1,600 total)

=== Suspended armament ===

{{main|AN-M65A1 (1,000 lb)|Tiny Tim|HVAR|Mk.13/44}}

The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' can be outfitted with the following ordnance:

* Without load
* 6 x HVAR rockets
* 2 x Tiny Tim rockets
* 2 x 1,000 lb AN-M65A1 bombs (2,000 lb total)
* 2 x 1,000 lb AN-M65A1 bombs + 6 x HVAR rockets (2,000 lb total)
* 1 x Mk.13/44 torpedo

== Usage in battles ==

There was a reason the F6F was a standout fighter during World War II. As a fighter, it was versatile, not only as an aerial fighter but also as a ground pounder.

;Aerial combat

* This F6F had a bit of weight to it which allowed it to perform well as a Boom & Zoom fighter. With a total of six guns, two M2 Browning machine guns and one 20 mm cannon in each wing, this fighter can take out enemy fighters without much trouble.

;Ground attack

* The F6F excels in ground attack where it can be outfitted with either bombs or rockets. The 1,000 lb bombs have a devastating effect on ships and hardened structures not to mention vehicles which are clustered in a compact area. The agility of the aircraft makes it ideal to outfit rockets whether it is the HVAR or Tiny Tim rockets. The larger Tiny Tim rockets will pack a huge punch in armoured vehicles and ships while also able to damage bases (though nowhere near as well as bombs). HVAR rockets work best when reserved for armoured vehicles some hardened concrete structures and bombers. The rockets can be outfitted with contact fuses or time-delayed fuses.

;Naval attack

* The previously mentioned weapons for both aerial and ground attack can be utilised with great success in the naval arena as all weapons can cause damage to naval aircraft and ships. The F6F can carry a single specialised naval weapon, a Mk.13/44 torpedo which requires a slow and low approach to a ship to ensure the torpedo does not sink nor miss its target. While this is vulnerable and comprising to fly at a ship shooting back, a torpedo on target can yield a sunken ship.

===Radars===
{{main|AN/APS-6}}
The F6F-5N is equipped with an [[AN/APS-6]] search and tracking radar. The radar is mounted in a pod under the right wing tip.

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
! colspan="4" | [[AN/APS-6]] - Target Detection Radar
|-
! {{Annotation|Maximum Detection Range|The maximum possible range at which a target can be detected}}
! {{Annotation|Guaranteed Detection Range|The range, below which, detection of a target is practically guaranteed}}
! {{Annotation|Max Azimuth Scan Angle|How far to each side the radar can scan (widest search mode)}}
! {{Annotation|Max Elevation Scan Angle|How far up and down the radar can scan (widest search mode)}}
|-
| 60,000 m (theoretical) || 7,200 m || ±60° || ±60°
|-
! colspan="4" | [[AN/APS-6]] - Target Tracking Radar
|-
! {{Annotation|Maximum Tracking Range|The maximum range at which a target can be tracked}}
! {{Annotation|Minimum Tracking Range|The range below which targets cannot be tracked by the radar}}
! {{Annotation|Azimuth Tracking Angle|How far to each side the radar can track a target}}
! {{Annotation|Elevation Tracking Angle|How far up and down the radar can track a target}}
|-
| 1,000 m || 150 m || ±15° || ±15°
|-
|}

=== Manual Engine Control ===
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="7" | MEC elements
|-
! rowspan="2" | Mixer
! rowspan="2" | Pitch
! colspan="3" | Radiator
! rowspan="2" | Supercharger
! rowspan="2" | Turbocharger
|-
! Oil !! Water !! Type
|-
| Not controllable || Controllable Not auto controlled || Controllable Not auto controlled || Controllable Not auto controlled || Separate || Controllable 3 gears || Not controllable
|-
|}

=== Modules ===
{| class="wikitable"
! Tier
! colspan="2" | Flight performance
! Survivability
! colspan="2" | Weaponry
|-
| I
| Fuselage repair
| Radiator
|
| Offensive 12 mm
| ITC mk.III
|-
| II
|
| Compressor
| Airframe
| New 12 mm MGs
| FRC mk.2
|-
| III
| Wings repair
| Engine
|
| Offensive 20 mm
| LFRC mk.12
|-
| IV
|
| Engine injection
| Cover
| New 20 mm cannons
| FLBC mk.1
|-
|}

Payload modules unlock the following:

* ITC mk.III: One torpedo
* FRC mk.2: Six HVAR rockets
* LFRC mk.12: Two Tiny Tims
* FLBC mk.1: Two 1,000 lb AN-M65A1 bombs

=== Pros and cons ===


'''Pros:'''

* Has 2 x 20 mm cannons
* Great variety of weapons for any map, aerial combat, ground attack and maps with naval ships
* Decent climb rate and manoeuvrability
* Has a search and tracking radar
* Workhorse naval fighter

'''Cons:'''

* Slower than the standard F6F-5
* Not as energy-efficient on a zoom climb like a P-47

== History ==
''Describe the history of the creation and combat usage of the aircraft in more detail than in the introduction. If the historical reference turns out to be too long, take it to a separate article, taking a link to the article about the vehicle and adding a block "/ History" (example: <nowiki>https://wiki.warthunder.com/(Vehicle-name)/History</nowiki>) and add a link to it here using the <code>main</code> template. Be sure to reference text and sources by using <code><nowiki><ref></ref></nowiki></code>, as well as adding them at the end of the article with <code><nowiki><references /></nowiki></code>. This section may also include the vehicle's dev blog entry (if applicable) and the in-game encyclopedia description (under <code><nowiki>=== In-game description ===</nowiki></code>, also if applicable).''

== Media ==

<div><ul>
<li style="display: inline-block;"> [[File:F6F_FN_and_Tiny_Tim.png|thumb|none|350px|An underside view of a '''{{PAGENAME}}''' carrying two [[Tiny Tim]] rockets. These rockets had to be released before igniting so to clear the propeller arc.]]</li>
<li style="display: inline-block;"> [[File:F6F_FN_firing_Tiny_Tim.png|thumb|none|375px|A view of a '''{{PAGENAME}}''' firing off a [[Tiny Tim]] rocket at an enemy target.]]</li>
<li style="display: inline-block;"> [[File:Tiny_Tim_shackle.png|thumb|none|320px|A side view of the shackle connection of the [[Tiny Tim]] rocket to the external pylon of the '''{{PAGENAME}}'''.]]</li>
</ul></div>

== See also ==
''Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:''

* ''reference to the series of the aircraft;''
* ''links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.''

== External links ==
''Paste links to sources and external resources, such as:''

* ''topic on the official game forum;''
* ''encyclopedia page on the aircraft;''
* ''other literature.''

{{USA fighters}}