HOT-2 TOW

2024-08-29T09:38:06Z

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== Description ==

[[File:WeaponImage HOT-2.png|thumb|left|420px|The HOT-2 missile with fins folded and deployed (scale is approximate)]]
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The '''{{PAGENAME}}''' is a Franco-German SACLOS-guided air-to-ground missile. It was introduced in [[Update 1.83 "Masters of the Sea"]].

=== Vehicles equipped with this weapon ===


* {{Specs-Link|bo_105pah1_a1}}
* {{Specs-Link|sa_341f}}
* {{Specs-Link|sa_342m}}

== General info ==


{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
! colspan="2" | Missile characteristics
|-
| '''Mass''' || 23 kg
|-
| '''Guidance''' || Semi-automatic (SACLOS)
|-
| '''Maximum speed''' || 250 m/s
|-
| '''Firing range''' || 4 km
|-
| '''Missile guidance time''' || 19 secs
|-
| '''Explosive mass''' || 6.46 kg TNTeq
|-
| '''Armour penetration''' || 900 mm
|-
|}

=== Effective damage ===
''Describe the type of damage produced by this type of missile (high explosive, splash damage, etc)''

=== Comparison with analogues ===
''Give a comparative description of missiles that have firepower equal to this weapon.''

== Usage in battles ==
''Describe situations when you would utilise this missile in-game (vehicle, pillbox, base, etc)''

=== Pros and cons ===
''Summarise and briefly evaluate the weaponry in terms of its characteristics and combat effectiveness. Mark pros and cons as a list.''

'''Pros:'''

*

'''Cons:'''

*

== History ==
''Examine the history of the creation and combat usage of the weapon in more detail than in the introduction. If the historical reference turns out to be too long, take it to a separate article, taking a link to the article about the weapon and adding a block "/History" (example: <nowiki>https://wiki.warthunder.com/(Weapon-name)/History</nowiki>) and add a link to it here using the <code>main</code> template. Be sure to reference text and sources by using <code><nowiki><ref></ref></nowiki></code>, as well as adding them at the end of the article with <code><nowiki><references /></nowiki></code>.''

== Media ==
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== See also ==
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== External links ==
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{{Missiles}}

[[Category:Suspended armaments]]

HOT-2 TOW

2024-08-29T09:37:28Z

U137275702: /* Vehicles equipped with this weapon */

== Description ==

[[File:WeaponImage HOT-2.png|thumb|left|420px|The HOT-2 missile with fins folded and deployed (scale is approximate)]]
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The '''{{PAGENAME}}''' is a Franco-German SACLOS-guided air-to-ground missile. It was introduced in [[Update 1.83 "Masters of the Sea"]].

=== Vehicles equipped with this weapon ===
MEPHISTO

* {{Specs-Link|bo_105pah1_a1}}
* {{Specs-Link|sa_341f}}
* {{Specs-Link|sa_342m}}

== General info ==


{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
! colspan="2" | Missile characteristics
|-
| '''Mass''' || 23 kg
|-
| '''Guidance''' || Semi-automatic (SACLOS)
|-
| '''Maximum speed''' || 250 m/s
|-
| '''Firing range''' || 4 km
|-
| '''Missile guidance time''' || 19 secs
|-
| '''Explosive mass''' || 6.46 kg TNTeq
|-
| '''Armour penetration''' || 900 mm
|-
|}

=== Effective damage ===
''Describe the type of damage produced by this type of missile (high explosive, splash damage, etc)''

=== Comparison with analogues ===
''Give a comparative description of missiles that have firepower equal to this weapon.''

== Usage in battles ==
''Describe situations when you would utilise this missile in-game (vehicle, pillbox, base, etc)''

=== Pros and cons ===
''Summarise and briefly evaluate the weaponry in terms of its characteristics and combat effectiveness. Mark pros and cons as a list.''

'''Pros:'''

*

'''Cons:'''

*

== History ==
''Examine the history of the creation and combat usage of the weapon in more detail than in the introduction. If the historical reference turns out to be too long, take it to a separate article, taking a link to the article about the weapon and adding a block "/History" (example: <nowiki>https://wiki.warthunder.com/(Weapon-name)/History</nowiki>) and add a link to it here using the <code>main</code> template. Be sure to reference text and sources by using <code><nowiki><ref></ref></nowiki></code>, as well as adding them at the end of the article with <code><nowiki><references /></nowiki></code>.''

== Media ==
''Excellent additions to the article would be video guides, screenshots from the game, and photos.''

== See also ==
''Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:''

* ''reference to the article about the variant of the weapon;''
* ''references to approximate analogues by other nations and research trees.''

== External links ==
''Paste links to sources and external resources, such as:''

* ''topic on the official game forum;''
* ''other literature.''

{{Missiles}}

[[Category:Suspended armaments]]

MEPHISTO

2024-08-28T16:59:27Z

U137275702: Thermals aren't gen 2

{{Specs-Card
|code=fr_vcac_mephisto
|images={{Specs-Card-Image|GarageImage_{{PAGENAME}}.jpg}}
}}

== Description ==

The Véhicule de Combat Anti-Char, or MEPHISTO ({{Annotation|Module Élévateur Panoramique Hot Installé Sur Tourelle Orientable|elevated panoramic HOT launch module on rotating turret}}) was a pivotal chapter in the French military's anti-tank capabilities. Developed and introduced in the 1970s, with the first prototypes emerging around 1978, the MEPHISTO represents a significant leap forward in anti-armour warfare. Armed with the formidable HOT (Haut Subsonique Optiquement Téléguidé Tiré d'un Tube) anti-tank missile, the MEPHISTO serves as a versatile and potent anti-tank armoured platform. The integration of the HOT missile system onto the turret provides precise and long-range engagement capabilities against armoured threats, ensuring the protection of the platform. This historical timeline showcases France's commitment to arming its military with cutting-edge technologies, enabling it to effectively counter armoured adversaries and adapt to evolving battlefield dynamics.

It was introduced in [[Update "Danger Zone"]]. The MEPHISTO is a powerful combat asset with advanced capabilities tailored for anti-armour warfare. Armed with the potent HOT anti-tank missile system, it possesses a long-range precision-strike capability against armoured targets, neutralizing threats from a safe distance. The platform's elevated panoramic observation system grants unmatched situational awareness through advanced targeting equipment, facilitating precise target identification even in challenging conditions. With a fully rotatable turret, the MEPHISTO adapts to dynamic combat scenarios by engaging threats from various angles. The synergy of the HOT missile system and panoramic observation ensures accurate engagement. Its modular design allows integration onto diverse armoured vehicles (such as the [[SANTAL]]), this version enhancing anti-armour capabilities while prioritizing crew safety with unmanned weapon systems. In combat, the MEPHISTO empowers the commander to confidently engage enemy armour, maintaining a tactical edge through its combined range, flexibility, and precision. This comprehensive system embodies France's dedication to sophisticated anti-armour platforms, bolstering the success of modern warfare operations.

== General info ==
=== Survivability and armour ===
{{Specs-Tank-Armour}}

As with all French wheeled vehicles, the armour is little to none, and the MEPHISTO is no an exception. The hull barely has the armour to survive hits from 12.7 mm machine guns and in some places even 7.62 mm. The armour is not to be relied on due to the fact that even artillery fragmentation can pose a significant threat to the platform. However, due to the crew spacing, the first half of the crew being at the front and the other half far behind, both pairs being separated by the engine block, makes the MEPHISTO capable of surviving more than one hit from the side as long as the shot is not placed in the centre of mass with explosive filler. However, the best armour is to not be seen in the first place.

The optics are located on top of a pole in the middle, the turret shifts and turns around it. Although the launcher itself is a bit curvy and may bounce extremely inaccurate shots, the pole isn't. The sheer size of the launcher provokes many enemies to use HE shells on it. During reload, the optics remain exposed, so the MEPHISTO requires tall cover at all the times to avoid being annihilated by chemical shells.

The smoke launchers on the MEPHISTO fire in every direction and the grenades explode mid-air, effectively hiding it from anything immediately, allowing the operator to use them as a panic button. They can be used twice.

'''Armour type:'''

* Rolled homogeneous armour

{| class="wikitable"
|-
! Armour !! Front (Slope angle) !! Sides !! Rear !! Roof
|-
| Hull || 8 mm (27°) ''Top'' 8 mm (74°) ''Upper glacis'' 8 mm (45°) ''Lower glacis'' || 8 mm (28°) ''Top'' 8 mm (12°) ''Bottom'' || 8 mm (7°) || 8 mm
|-
| Turret || 5 mm ''Turret front'' || 5 mm || 5 mm || 5 mm
|-
| Cupola || colspan="4" | 8 mm (cylindrical)
|-
|}

'''Notes:''' 


=== Mobility ===
{{Specs-Tank-Mobility}}

Mobility-wise, the MEPHISTO leaves nothing to be desired. It is a fast and agile platform with a very high top speed. However, like other wheeled vehicles, it lacks traction in muddy and snowy terrain, draining the speed significantly. It can reach up to -14 km/h in reverse. It holds a significantly amazing acceleration and an amazing turn rate as the short length and both axle turn make it capable to do a full 360° turn in ~4-8 seconds depending on terrain. The MEPHISTO is also fully amphibious, meaning it can cross and reach specific places in the maps inaccessible to other vehicles.

{{tankMobility|abMinHp=312|rbMinHp=195}}

=== Modifications and economy ===
{{Specs-Economy}}

== Armaments ==
{{Specs-Tank-Armaments}}
=== Main armament ===
{{Specs-Tank-Weapon|1}}

{{main|HOT}}

The MEPHISTO ('Module Élévateur Panoramique Hot Installé Sur Tourelle Orientable', French for "elevated panoramic HOT launch module on rotating turret") is the primary weapon mount. It is able to fire four HOT or HOT-2 missiles in a rapid succession. HOT missiles are nothing new to French commanders, and they have proven to be very capable in combat. It is a similar system as the TUA ('TOW Under Armour') seen in the [[M901]] but with differences. While it is able to hold double the amount of much more capable missiles, the reload rate can be considerably slower due to the slower turret traverse and reload rate. However, the turret will start reloading immediately after launching the last ATGM (preventing it from being a liability as well), as the optics are not bound to it, so it balances out at a long range. Unfortunately, it's impossible to guide multiple missiles at once with this carrier, so it is preferable to hide the launcher behind something during combat.

The HOT-2 is significantly stronger than missiles of light tanks when it comes to penetration, but lacks tandem charge or utility. It will likely still fail to penetrate the turrets of NERA or ERA protected tanks, unless angled into them at the last moment, but anything else has a significantly lesser chance of miraculously surviving a direct hit.

The MEPHISTO has an advantage over some missile carriers, as the missile launcher does not have to be deployed before firing and it, as well as the optics, is two-plane stabilized, meaning it is possible to quickly brake and engage a target without the need of reacquiring the target, or to threaten enemy tank with a missile launch and to continue moving while guiding the shot, unlike with the [[AMX-30 ACRA]]. The stabilizer also proves to be beneficial when on water, as the waves can make the launcher bounce.

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="100%"
|-
! colspan="5" | [[HOT]] missile || colspan="5" | Turret rotation speed (°/s) || Reloading rate (seconds)
|-
! Mode !! Capacity (Belt) !! Vertical !! Horizontal !! Stabilizer
! Stock !! Upgraded !! Full !! Expert !! Aced
!Autoloader
|-
! ''Arcade''
| rowspan="2" | 12 (4) || rowspan="2" | ±10° || rowspan="2" | ±180° || rowspan="2" | Two-plane || 26.4 || 36.5 || 44.4 || 49.1 || 52.2 || rowspan="2" | 15.00
|-
! ''Realistic''
| 17.9 || 21.0 || 25.5 || 28.2 || 30.0
|-
|}

==== Ammunition ====
The HOT-2 has a larger warhead and a higher penetration than the HOT. It should be the preferred ammunition as soon as it has been unlocked.

{{:HOT/Ammunition|HOT, HOT-2}}

==== [[Ammo racks]] ====


{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! Full ammo
! 1st rack empty
! 2nd rack empty
! 3rd rack empty
! 4th rack empty
! 5th rack empty
! 6th rack empty
! Visual discrepancy
|-
| '''3''' || __ ''(+__)'' || __ ''(+__)'' || __ ''(+__)'' || __ ''(+__)'' || __ ''(+__)'' || __ ''(+__)'' || __
|-
|}

== Usage in battles ==

The only reliable playstyle for the MEPHISTO is hull-down. In a battle, this vehicle is best played behind a rock, so that rounds won't dip and hit the main chassis. If this is not possible, try to find a ridge to hide behind or a depression in the terrain. Since your launcher is the only thing exposed, expect for your launcher to get hit and receive a 10-second repair. (Note for stock vehicles, you will still be able to fire). Some players will be smarter and will shoot HESH rounds at you, the splash damage will be enough to either overpressure or knock out the rest of the tank. Since you only have 12 missiles (4 in the launcher, 8 stowed away) you will have to be patient and skilled at using this missile. If in the right hands, it is incredibly strong and can hold an important spot and single-handedly deny the enemy any chance of taking an area. This will reward you numerous targets destroyed, as well as gaining numerous points from people shooting at the launcher.

However, there are a couple of issues. The missile can only be fired when stationary, though the launcher remains deployed even if moving at very high speeds. The reload also requires the launcher to traverse round towards the rear of the vehicle and further lengthening the reload. One way to combat this is to have the rear end of the vehicle towards the target, therefore reducing the time taken to traverse the launcher back to the firing position.

=== Pros and cons ===


'''Pros:'''

* Amazing mobility and handling
* Stronger than average ATGMs
* 4 shots per reload
* Gen 1 thermals
* Amphibious capabilities
* 360 degrees aerosol smoke protection with two uses

'''Cons:'''

* Long reload, can only reload after spending all 4 missiles (but reloads all of them at once)
* Paper-thin armour, very tall and is always exposed to explosive shells
* Can be jammed by IRCM
* The HOT-2 is just a bit short of power to penetrate turrets of tanks like [[IPM1]] reliably

== History ==

''Describe the history of the creation and combat usage of the vehicle in more detail than in the introduction. If the historical reference turns out to be too long, take it to a separate article, taking a link to the article about the vehicle and adding a block "/History" (example: <nowiki>https://wiki.warthunder.com/(Vehicle-name)/History</nowiki>) and add a link to it here using the <code>main</code> template. Be sure to reference text and sources by using <code><nowiki><ref></ref></nowiki></code>, as well as adding them at the end of the article with <code><nowiki><references /></nowiki></code>. This section may also include the vehicle's dev blog entry (if applicable) and the in-game encyclopedia description (under <code><nowiki>=== In-game description ===</nowiki></code>, also if applicable).''

== Media ==


;Skins

* [https://live.warthunder.com/feed/camouflages/?vehicle=fr_vcac_mephisto Skins and camouflages for the {{PAGENAME}} from live.warthunder.com.]

;Videos
{{Youtube-gallery|CNhW947CCPU|'''The Shooting Range #310''' - ''Metal Beasts'' section at 00:24 discusses the {{PAGENAME}}.}}

== See also ==


* [[AFT09]] - a very similar missile carrier from China

== External links ==


* [[wt:en/news/7684-development-vcac-mephisto-hell-hath-no-limits-en|[Devblog] VCAC MEPHISTO: Hell hath no limits]]

{{France tank destroyers}}
[[Category:Wheeled ground vehicles]]

AMX-13-90

2024-08-20T07:57:12Z

U137275702: Removed incorrect info about lacking an autoloader

{{About
|about=French light tank '''{{PAGENAME}}'''
|usage=other variants
|link=AMX-13 (Family)
}}
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|code=fr_amx_13_90
|images={{Specs-Card-Image|GarageImage_{{PAGENAME}}.jpg}}
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== Description ==

The '''AMX-13/90 C90''' is the second variant of the [[AMX-13 (Family)|AMX-13 light tank family]]. The AMX-13/90 C90 uses a bigger, low-pressure 90 mm CN 90 F2 tank gun, similar to how the [[E.B.R. (1951)|Panhard Engin Blindé de Reconnaissance (E.B.R.) Modèle 1951]] was modified to become the [[E.B.R. (1963)|Modèle 1963 Revalorisé]]. It was designed to compensate for the French Army's lack of anti-tank capabilities at the time.

Introduced in [[Update 1.75 "La Résistance"]], the AMX-13/90 C90 is an excellent scout and flanking vehicle due to its good speed and excellent handling. The AMX-13/90 C90 is slightly difficult to operate at range, with the OCC 60-62 round only having a muzzle velocity of 950m/s. To perform successfully on this vehicle, you must target weak points, ammunition racks, and crew members while maintaining an active awareness of your surroundings and excellent map knowledge. Finally, as aircraft weapons advance, threats from hostile aircraft become more common; thus, strafing from enemy aircraft will commonly result in vehicle damage or annihilation. The AMX-13 is inappropriate for close combat and should only be used in open spaces due to the lack of a stabilizer. With its fast reload, you may easily dispatch a large number of enemies.

== General info ==
=== Survivability and armour ===
{{Specs-Tank-Armour}}

'''Armour type:'''

* Cast homogeneous armour (Turret base, Turret front)
* Rolled homogeneous armour

{| class="wikitable"
|-
! Armour !! Front (Slope angle) !! Sides !! Rear !! Roof
|-
| Hull || 20 mm (67°) ''Front glacis'' 20-40 mm (5-50°) ''Lower glacis'' || 20 mm || 15 mm ''Top'' 15 mm (45°) ''Bottom'' || 10 mm 5 mm ''Engine grille''
|-
| Turret || 40 mm (32-45°) ''Turret front'' 40 mm (12-41°) ''Turret base'' 40 mm (15-75°) ''Barrel shroud'' || 20 mm (0-30°) ''Turret'' 20 mm (12-14°) ''Turret base'' || 20 mm ''Turret bustle'' 20 mm (17-22°) ''Pivot ball'' 10 mm (77-90°) ''Turret underside'' || 10 mm
|-
| Cupola || 20 mm || 20 mm || 20 mm || 10 mm
|-
|}
'''Notes:'''

* Suspension wheels and tracks are 15 mm thick.
* Belly armour is 10 mm thick.
* 8 mm Structural steel firewall separates the driver from the engine.
* The track and wheel on the front glacis offer about 15 mm structural steel thickness.

=== Mobility ===
{{Specs-Tank-Mobility}}


{{tankMobility|abMinHp=418|rbMinHp=239}}

=== Modifications and economy ===
{{Specs-Economy}}

== Armaments ==
{{Specs-Tank-Armaments}}
=== Main armament ===
{{Specs-Tank-Weapon|1}}

{{main|CN90 F3 (90 mm)}}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="100%"
|-
! colspan="5" | [[CN90 F3 (90 mm)|90 mm CN90 F3]] || colspan="5" | Turret rotation speed (°/s) || Reloading rate (seconds)
|-
! Mode !! Capacity !! Vertical !! Horizontal !! Stabilizer
! Stock !! Upgraded !! Full !! Expert !! Aced
!Autoloader
|-
! ''Arcade''
| rowspan="2" | 34 || rowspan="2" | -6°/+13° || rowspan="2" | ±180° || rowspan="2" | N/A || 28.6 || 39.5 || 48.0 || 53.1 || 56.5 || rowspan="2" | 5.00
|-
! ''Realistic''
| 17.9 || 21.0 || 25.5 || 28.2 || 30.0
|-
|}

==== Ammunition ====
{{:CN90 F3 (90 mm)/Ammunition|OCC 60-62, OE 90 F1, OFUM PH90-F2}}

==== [[Ammo racks]] ====
[[File:Ammoracks_{{PAGENAME}}.png|right|thumb|x250px|[[Ammo racks]] of the {{PAGENAME}}]]

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! Full ammo
! 1st rack empty
! 2nd rack empty
! 3rd rack empty
! 4th rack empty
! 5th rack empty
! 6th rack empty
! 7th rack empty
! Visual discrepancy
|-
| '''34''' || 32 ''(+2)'' || 28 ''(+6)'' || 23 ''(+11)'' || 18 ''(+16)'' || 13 ''(+21)'' || 7 ''(+27)'' || 1 ''(+33)'' || Yes
|-
|}
Notes:

* Shells are modeled individually and disappear after having been shot or loaded.
* Visual discrepancy concerns rack 1 (5 shells are modeled but it contains 3 shells) and rack 5 (3 shells are modeled but it contains 5 shells).
* Rack 6* and 7* (autoloader magazines) are first stage ammo racks. They total 12 shells.
* These racks get filled first when loading up the tank and are also emptied first.
* As the {{PAGENAME}} is equipped with an autoloader, manual reloading of the gun is not possible.
* Once the autoloader magazines have been depleted, you can't shoot until the loader has restocked the autoloader. The restocking time is longer than the normal reload time of the gun (about 15 seconds). Take this into account when playing.
* Simply not firing when the gun is loaded will move ammo from racks 1 to 5 into rack 7* then 6*. Firing will interrupt the restocking of the ready racks.
* The depletion order at full capacity is: 6* - 7* - 1 - 2 up to 5.

=== Machine guns ===
{{Specs-Tank-Weapon|2}}

{{main|MAC 31 (7.5 mm)}}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="50%"
|-
! colspan="5" | [[MAC 31 (7.5 mm)|7.5 mm MAC 31]]
|-
! Mount !! Capacity (Belt) !! Fire rate !! Vertical !! Horizontal
|-
| Coaxial || 4,950 (150) || 551 || N/A || N/A
|-
|}

== Usage in battles ==

The AMX-13-90 is a light tank with good firepower. Its 90 mm cannon equipped with HEAT-FS rounds is enough to destroy any tank at its BR (still be aware of uptiers mostly because of the [[T-55AMD-1]] and [[T-55AM-1]] which have composite armour). The lack of stabilizer makes it bad for close and urban engagements, it should be used in open areas. With its fast reload you can snipe multiple enemies easily. Be aware of the bad post-penetration damage: on heavier tanks you should aim for critical components.

=== Pros and cons ===


'''Pros:'''

* Has HEATFS with 320 mm of penetration
* Small profile
* Great top speed
* Great acceleration
* Has a fast 5s reload time
* The engine and transmission can absorb some rounds giving you the time to fight back

'''Cons:'''

* HEATFS ammunition has poor post-penetration damage
* Lacks armour
* With the oscillating turret, the lack of stabilizer came with it
* Hights antennas ruin the stealthy approach
* Slow reverse speed

== History ==


'''Development'''

The AMX-13-90 was an up-gunned version of the French AMX-13 light tank. In 1964, a prototype for a modernized AMX-13, called the 2E, introduced a 90 mm gun and also reduced the amount of return rollers from four to three. A second prototype with the 90 mm gun was built, called the 2F, introduced a thermal sleeve and reduced the return rollers to only two.

The AMX-30 was planned in 1962 to replace the M47 and M48 Patton tanks of the French Army. As such, it was decided to modernize the AMX-13 fleet, as well as to produce new vehicles. The modernization began in 1964, and it included the 90 mm DEFA D921/F1 gun and many vehicles also received SS-11 wire-guided anti-tank guided missiles (ATGMs) mounted on racks above the gun base.

'''Design'''

The 2E and 2F prototypes led to the introduction of the production version, the AMX-13-90. The only significant change from the AMX-13 to the AMX-13-90 was the 90 mm F3 gun in a modified turret. The F3 was similar to the 90 mm DEFA D921/F1 gun of the AML-90, but the barrel was much longer. It therefore had a much higher muzzle velocity even though it used the same ammunition as the AML-90.

'''Service'''

The French Army received most of the original 75 mm-armed version, with about 3,000 entering service. They were assigned to the regular armoured units, which were mostly filled with M47 and M48 Patton medium tanks at the time. AMX-13 squadrons had four tanks, and were split into two sections of one infantry section and one light tank section each, along with an ammunition truck and command vehicle. These squadrons were used for screening and reconnaissance, locating enemy forces and engaging them. After the first section had engaged the enemy and was reloading, the second section engaged the enemy. The process of alternating reloading and firing between the sections allowed the tanks to hold off the enemy until medium tanks arrived.

In the 1960's, the AMX-30 entered service. AMX-13s were used during the decolonization war in Algeria (1954-1962), although they saw little combat due to the lack of opposition and the terrain. After the French AMX-13s were up-gunned with the 90 mm gun, they often saw service in foreign theaters of operation due to their relative inexpensiveness. The AMX-13s were decommissioned and put into reserve starting in 1985.

=== From [[wt:en/news/5285-vehicle-amx-13-90-new-toy-to-play-en|Devblog]]: ===
During the '50s and '60s, the AMX-13 light tank was considered to have underwhelming firepower when compared to certain other tanks fielded by other nations. To remedy this, several modernization and upgrade efforts were launched which focused primarily on improving the killing potential of the AMX-13. Some AMX-13s were equipped with different types of ATGMs, whilst others, like the AMX-13-90, received a larger calibre cannon with improved ballistic properties. In case of the AMX-13-90, the tank received, as the name already suggests, a 90 mm CN 90 F3 cannon, which boasted increased penetrating power and allowed the AMX-13 to engage targets at longer distances too.

== Media ==


;Skins

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;Videos
{{Youtube-gallery|uhgodizubC4|'''The Shooting Range #77''' - ''Pages of History'' section at 05:19 discusses the AMX-13.|G-sMfeWsEq0|'''The Shooting Range #148''' - ''Metal Beasts'' section at 01:03 discusses the AMX-13-90.}}

== See also ==
''Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:''

* ''reference to the series of the vehicles;''
* ''links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.''

== External links ==


* [[wt:en/news/5285-vehicle-amx-13-90-new-toy-to-play-en|[Vehicle] AMX-13-90: New Toy to Play]]

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{{France light tanks}}

AMX-50 (TOA100)

2024-08-15T01:50:03Z

U137275702: Incorrect information about lower penetration than Soviet rounds

{{About
| about = French medium tank '''{{PAGENAME}}'''
| usage = other versions
| link = AMX-50 (Family)
}}
{{Specs-Card
|code=fr_amx_50
|images={{Specs-Card-Image|GarageImage_{{PAGENAME}}.jpg}}
}}

== Description ==


The AMX-50 project started life as a 30-ton weight class project requirement as NOM 141 (Project 141) in 1945, as the prospective next generation domestic French tank after the [[ARL-44]]. The familiar oscillating turret on all AMX-50s was introduced in 1949, equipped with a 90 mm gun ([[AMX M4]]) - however, at this stage, the French Army was no longer content with the 90 mm gun, and the AMX M4 was canceled to make way for a new turret that housed a 100 mm cannon instead. Two prototypes of this new standard were produced, one which was modified from an AMX M4 and one which was built from the ground up as an AMX-50 (TOA100). Unfortunately for the AMX-50 (TOA100), the tank's protracted development meant the Army now wanted a 120 mm cannon instead of the 100 mm, and as at this point the hull was grossly underarmoured and was lacking in many other technical areas as well, development of the AMX-50 shifted to what would now be known as the [[AMX-50 Surblinde]] instead.

Introduced in [[Update 1.75 "La Résistance"]], the '''{{Specs|name}}''' features the same armament and turret as the [[Lorraine 40t]] on a more robust chassis, similar to that of the [[AMX M4]]. The AMX-50 (TOA100) is functionally not too different from the [[Lorraine 40t]] in terms of gameplay - it's a mobile hull with a fast-reloading gun, which doesn't fire APHE but still spalls adequately due to the French AP shell cap. The vehicle, as it is an oscillating turret design with a drum-feed autoloader, cannot fire when it runs out of ammo in the ready rack, and also cannot elevate too high due to how the turret is placed on its oscillating hinge. Armour-wise, the vehicle isn't particularly well protected, with thin armour all around, but you may be able to survive some lower calibre shots or autocannon fire if you're lucky. Play around the flanks, preferably around slight hills or ridges you can peek around sideways, and you can penetrate most enemies without issue. If you see an enemy you can't penetrate frontally or aren't confident, you can always shoot the barrel then use the extra time to shoot a very specific weakspot. A good example would be seeing something like an [[IS-3]] or [[IS-6]], while you could simply shoot the weakspots such as the front armour weld on the IS-3 or the mantlet/unangled upper plate of the IS-6, you could shoot their barrels out then take a careful shot if you're not feeling it then.

== General info ==
=== Survivability and armour ===
{{Specs-Tank-Armour}}


'''Armour type:'''

* Rolled homogeneous armour (hull, turret roof, cupola roof)
* Cast homogeneous armour (turret, cupola)

{| class="wikitable"
|-
! Armour !! Front (Slope angle) !! Sides !! Rear !! Roof
|-
| Hull || 80 mm (55°) ''Front glacis'' 35 mm (61°) ''Lower glacis'' 60 mm (39°) ''Front cheeks'' || 40 mm (24°) ''Top'' 40 mm ''Bottom'' || 40 mm (0-30°) 30 mm (30°) ''Transmission hatch'' || 20 mm
|-
| Turret || 45 mm (39-56°) ''Turret front'' 30 mm (9-26°) ''Turret base'' 50 mm (7-82°) ''Barrel shroud'' || 30 mm (0-55°) ''Turret'' 30 mm (0-25°) ''Turret base'' || 30 mm (0-30°) ''Turret bustle'' 30 mm (6-22°) ''Pivot ball'' 20 mm (69-90°) ''Turret underside'' || 20 mm
|-
| Cupola || 30 mm (45°) || colspan="2" style="text-align:center" | 30 mm (conical) || 20 mm
|-
|}
'''Notes:'''

* Suspension wheels and tracks are 20 mm thick. Suspension wheels are interleaved and thus overlap in some areas.
* Add-on tracks hang on the hull sides in the crew compartment area.
* Hull undersides above tracks are 20 mm thick.
* Belly armour is 20 mm thick.
* There is a 20 mm plate separating the crew compartment from the engine bay at the top of the hull.
* There is a 5 mm plate separating the crew compartment from the engine bay at the bottom of the hull.
* Overlapping wheels provide extra 20 mm to the hull's lower side.

The {{PAGENAME}}'s hull is very similar to that of the famous German medium tank, even in armour values. It is only slightly weak from the side, making angling quite ineffective. This armour should be able to deflect incoming shots from the weaker tanks it may encounter at its BR spread, notably the famous Soviet [[D-5T (85 mm)|85 mm D-5T]]. With its good slope, it can easily deflect APCR shots. The only negative point is the turret: it is very weak to incoming shots: with only 45 mm sloped at 52°, it is weaker than a [[T-34-85 (D-5T)]]'s hull. The turret armour is a noticeable downgrade from the [[AMX M4]], so you will need to be more careful about taking hits. The only way to avoid being taken down too easily is to increase distance between the AMX-50 position and the enemy. Don't worry about that: the 100 mm gun is suited for that purpose.

=== Mobility ===
{{Specs-Tank-Mobility}}


{{tankMobility|abMinHp=1,550|rbMinHp=884}}

While not the fastest tank, the {{PAGENAME}} certainly is capable of many feats of agility. This tank may be the slowest French rank IV tank, which is not a bad thing considering French tank's general dynamic gameplay at this BR. "Don't put the tank in nasty front-line situations" is the best advice to follow with this tank. As it is, this 800+ HP engine should be able to carry the tank to any location in good time.

=== Modifications and economy ===
{{Specs-Economy}}

== Armaments ==
{{Specs-Tank-Armaments}}
=== Main armament ===
{{Specs-Tank-Weapon|1}}

{{main|SA47 L/58 (100 mm)}}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="100%"
|-
! colspan="5" | [[SA47 L/58 (100 mm)|100 mm SA47 L/58]] || colspan="5" | Turret rotation speed (°/s) || Reloading rate (seconds)
|-
! Mode !! Capacity !! Vertical !! Horizontal !! Stabilizer
! Stock !! Upgraded !! Full !! Expert !! Aced
!Autoloader
|-
! ''Arcade''
| rowspan="2" | 50 || rowspan="2" | -8°/+15° || rowspan="2" | ±180° || rowspan="2" | N/A || 28.6 || 39.5 || 48.0 || 53.1 || 56.5 || rowspan="2" | 4.00
|-
! ''Realistic''
| 17.9 || 21.0 || 25.5 || 28.2 || 30.0
|-
|}

The SA47 L/58 is a very potent gun for a rank IV tank: it performs in a similar way to the Soviet [[D-10T (100 mm)|100 mm D-10T]] equipped on the [[T-54/55 (Family)]] series. While not having any HE filler in their AP rounds, the French engineers somehow managed to optimize armour spalling on penetrating shots and muzzle velocity, making these shells very good at long-range engagements. This gun is also mounted with an autoloader, which provides it with a solid 4 seconds reload time. It has good gun depression and a fast turret traverse, which enables this tank to react quickly to flankers and take solid hulled-down position, its high gun placement minimizes the tank's silhouette behind hills.

==== Ammunition ====
{{:SA47 L/58 (100 mm)/Ammunition|100 mm Obus de rupture, 100 mm Obus explosif}}

==== [[Ammo racks]] ====
[[File:Ammoracks_{{PAGENAME}}.png|right|thumb|x250px|[[Ammo racks]] of the {{PAGENAME}}]]

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! Full ammo
! 1st rack empty
! 2nd rack empty
! 3rd rack empty
! 4th rack empty
! 5th rack empty
|-
| '''50''' || 49 ''(+1)'' || 44 ''(+6)'' || 37 ''(+13)'' || 30 ''(+20)'' || 23 ''(+27)''
|-
! 6th rack empty
! 7th rack empty
! 8th rack empty
! 9th rack empty
! Visual discrepancy
!
|-
| 16 ''(+34)'' || 12 ''(+38)'' || 7 ''(+43)'' || 1 ''(+49)'' || No
!
|-
|}
This tank features an auto-loading system that removes the need for a crew member to reload the main gun, although a loader is present to restock the autoloader. A large drum of seven rounds is found underneath the gun breech for rapid use. Once this drum is empty, rounds in the hull will need to be placed in the autoloader rack before it can be used by the autoloader, which takes about 14 seconds to perform for one round. Nine rounds are found in three racks near the bottom of the hull behind the driver and machine-gunner while the rest of the stowage is found in the side sponsons above the tracks, aside from a small rack of 5 rounds near the rear of the turret.

'''Notes''':

* Ammo rack 9 is the autoloader drum and takes priority in being filled at the beginning of the battle, then fills racks 8 through 1.
* If the autoloader drum is empty, the main gun cannot fire until ammo is loaded into the autoloader drum.
* Simply not firing when the main gun is loaded will load ammo from racks 1-8 into the ready rack, as long as there is ammo present in racks 1-8. Firing the main gun will interrupt the loading of the ready racks.

=== Machine guns ===
{{Specs-Tank-Weapon|2}}

{{main|MAC 31 (7.5 mm)}}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="50%"
|-
! colspan="5" | [[MAC 31 (7.5 mm)|7.5 mm MAC 31]]
|-
! Mount !! Capacity (Belt) !! Fire rate !! Vertical !! Horizontal
|-
| Coaxial || 4,800 (150) || 551 || N/A || N/A
|-
|}

The small calibre of the MAC 31 machine gun makes it largely ineffective against all armoured vehicles but the ones with an open compartment. It still can be used to ping targets as a rangefinding help or to mow down minor obstacles blocking your line of sight.

== Usage in battles ==

This medium tank performs good in its role, being versatile enough to take many battlefield roles: flanker, sniper and ambusher. The only thing it is insufficient at is absorbing damaging shots: there are too many weak spots on this tank to take anything bigger than HMG to the front. Don't stay too close to the front line since the reverse speed will not allow the tank to escape sufficiently fast and flanking manoeuvres will make the weak sides vulnerable.

=== Pros and cons ===

'''Pros:'''

* Impressive top speed, allowing for rapid movement across the battlefield
* Highly manoeuvrable, enabling quick and agile responses to changing situations
* Wide tracks provide excellent mobility on various types of terrain, maintaining good speed
* Equipped with a crew of 5 members, enhancing operational efficiency and allowing more hits to be taken
* Powerful 100 mm main gun with an autoloader, delivering high penetration capabilities and relatively fast reload
* Stock APCBC shells offer exceptional conical spread, ensuring deadly frontal hits
* Fast turret rotation speed, enabling swift target acquisition and engagement
* Sloped frontal armour has the potential to ricochet lower rank guns and APCR rounds
* Higher muzzle velocity than the Soviet [[D-10T (100 mm)|100 mm D-10T]] gun, easier to aim at range
* Well-suited for flanking manoeuvres, offering tactical advantages

'''Cons:'''

* Armour is insufficient to protect against higher rank guns
* Weak lower front plate (LFP), vulnerable to enemy fire
* Turret shares the same lightly-armoured design as the [[Lorraine 40t]], posing a potential vulnerability
* Large, [[Panther D|Panther]]-like hull, making it challenging to conceal and minimize exposure
* Limited shell choices, lacking APHE, HEAT, APDS, or APFSDS rounds
* Shells lack explosive filler, resulting in rare one-hit knockouts from the side
* Gun elevation speed is slow due to oscillating turret design
* Incapacitated loader hampers the tank's ability to utilize its coaxial MG

== History ==


===Design===
In the late 1940s, the French Army was looking to replace the medium tanks Panther and ARL 44 that were becoming obsolete with a new 50t medium tank. The new tank was to be the future spearhead of French armoured divisions. The French company AMX started working on a proposal which was essentially an improved Tiger II on the drawing board. The project evolved and later resulted in the AMX-50 tank. The AMX-50 present in the game is the second prototype of the project.

===Development===
In order to save weight from the Tiger II's initial weight of 70 tons, the first AMX proposal was an underarmoured version of the Tiger II with only 30 mm armour plates. The French Army quickly indicated that such a thickness was too weak for the intended purpose. The armour of the hull was increased to 80 mm frontally and 40 mm for the sides and the weight-saving measures were then applied to other components. The original turret was changed for an oscillating turret whose design was already available and the suspension wheels were redesigned to get rid of the interleaving wheels. The new version was approved and a first prototype dubbed M4 was produced at the end of 1949 with a 90 mm SA 45 gun and a weight slightly above 50 tons. The second prototype called AMX-50/100 was produced 1 year later with the 100 mm SA 47 L/50 gun, a slightly modified turret and a weight close to 55 tons. After testing in 1952 and 1953, the French Army reclassified the AMX-50 as heavy tank as it could not reach more than 50 km/h on roads and 20 km/h off-road due to an insufficient output of the powerplant. The tank had a ratio of 15 hp/ton against the 20 expected. The availability of the more modern M47 medium tank through NATO cooperation made the need for the AMX-50 obsolete. Following its reclassification, there were several attempts to transform the AMX-50 in a real heavy tank like the AMX-50 Surbaissé or the AMX-50 Surblindé. But the need for heavy tanks would gradually disappear with the appearance of shaped charges (HEAT projectiles and missiles).

===Combat usage===
The AMX-50 never saw either service or combat action with the French Army.

== Media ==


;Skins

* [https://live.warthunder.com/feed/camouflages/?vehicle=fr_amx_50 Skins and camouflages for the {{PAGENAME}} from live.warthunder.com.]

;Videos
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== See also ==


;Related development

* [[AMX-50 (Family)]]

== External links ==


* [[wikipedia:AMX-50|[Wikipedia] AMX-50]]
* [https://www.tanks-encyclopedia.com/coldwar/France/AMX-50.php <nowiki>[Tanks Encyclopedia]</nowiki> AMX-50]

{{TankManufacturer AMX}}
{{France medium tanks}}