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Mirage F1C

2022-06-12T19:33:12Z

U11671543: Undo revision 130668 by U11671543 (talk)

{{Specs-Card
|code=mirage_f1c
|images={{Specs-Card-Image|GarageImage_{{PAGENAME}}.jpg}}
}}

== Description ==

The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a rank {{Specs|rank}} French jet fighter {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update "Wind of Change"]].

== General info ==
=== Flight performance ===
{{Specs-Avia-Flight}}


{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="70%"
! rowspan="2" | Characteristics
! colspan="2" | Max Speed (km/h at 12,000 m)
! rowspan="2" | Max altitude (metres)
! colspan="2" | Turn time (seconds)
! colspan="2" | Rate of climb (metres/second)
! rowspan="2" | Take-off run (metres)
|-
! AB !! RB !! AB !! RB !! AB !! RB
|-
! Stock
| 2,149 || 2,106 || rowspan="2" | {{Specs|ceiling}} || 28.6 || 29.1 || 129.5 || 123.5 || rowspan="2" | 750
|-
! Upgraded
| 2,228 || 2,228 || 26.0 || 27.0 || 183.2 || 155.0
|-
|}

==== Details ====
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="50%"
|-
! colspan="6" | Features
|-
! Combat flaps !! Take-off flaps !! Landing flaps !! Air brakes !! Arrestor gear !! Drogue chute
|-
| ✓ || ✓ || ✓ || ✓ || X || ✓ 
|-
|}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="50%"
|-
! colspan="7" | Limits
|-
! rowspan="2" | Wings (km/h)
! rowspan="2" | Gear (km/h)
! colspan="3" | Flaps (km/h)
! colspan="2" | Max Static G
|-
! Combat !! Take-off !! Landing !! + !! -
|-
| 1,351  || {{Specs|destruction|gear}} || 555 || 549 || 416 || ~__ || ~__
|-
|}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="4" | Optimal velocities (km/h)
|-
! Ailerons !! Rudder !! Elevators !! Radiator
|-
| < ___ || < ___ || < ___ || N/A
|-
|}

==== Engine performance ====
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="3" | Engine
! colspan="5" | Aircraft mass
|-
! colspan="2" | Engine name || Number
! colspan="2" | {{Annotation|Basic mass|Mass of the aircraft with pilot and engine oil, but no fuel or weapons load}} || colspan="3" | Wing loading (full fuel)
|-
| colspan="2" | SNECMA Atar 9K-50 || 1
| colspan="2" | 8,161 kg || colspan="3" | ___ kg/m2
|-
! colspan="3" | Engine characteristics
! colspan="4" | Mass with fuel (no weapons load) || rowspan="2" | Max Takeoff Weight
|-
! Weight (each) || colspan="2" | Type
! 13m fuel || 20m fuel || 30m fuel || 43m fuel
|-
| 1,590 kg || colspan="2" | Afterburning axial-flow turbojet
| 9,168 kg || 9,702 kg || 10,472 kg || 11,516 kg || _,___ kg
|-
! colspan="3" | {{Annotation|Maximum engine thrust @ 0 m (RB/SB)|The maximum thrust produced by each engine, while mounted in the aircraft. NOTE: Thrust varies significantly depending on speed & altitude.}}
! colspan="5" | Thrust to weight ratio @ 0 m (WEP)
|-
! Condition || 100% || WEP
! 13m fuel || 20m fuel || 30m fuel || 43m fuel || MTOW
|-
| ''Stationary'' || 4,876 kgf || 6,750 kgf
| 0.74 || 0.70 || 0.65 || 0.59 || _.__
|-
| ''Optimal'' || 5,900 kgf (1,200 - 1,351 km/h) || 9,110 kgf (1,351 km/h)
| 0.99 || 0.94 || 0.87 || 0.79 || _.__
|-
|}

=== Survivability and armour ===
{{Specs-Avia-Armour}}

''Examine the survivability of the aircraft. Note how vulnerable the structure is and how secure the pilot is, whether the fuel tanks are armoured, etc. Describe the armour, if there is any, and also mention the vulnerability of other critical aircraft systems.''

=== Modifications and economy ===
{{Specs-Economy}}

== Armaments ==
{{Specs-Avia-Armaments}}
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="4" | [[Ballistic Computer]]
|-
! CCIP (Guns) !! CCIP (Rockets) !! CCIP (Bombs) !! CCRP (Bombs)
|-
| {{Tick}} || {{Tick}} || {{Tick}} || {{Tick}}
|-
|}
=== Offensive armament ===
{{Specs-Avia-Offensive}}

{{main|DEFA 553 (30 mm)}}

The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' is armed with:

* A choice between two presets:
** 2 x 30 mm DEFA 553 cannons, belly-mounted (135 rpg = 270 total)
** 2 x 30 mm DEFA 553 cannons + 120 x countermeasures

=== Suspended armament ===
{{Specs-Avia-Suspended}}

{{main|SAMP Type 25 (250 kg)|SAMP Mk 82 (250 kg)|SAMP Type 21 (400 kg)|SAMP Mk 83 (500 kg)|SAMP Mk 84 (1,000 kg)}}
{{main|Matra R530|Matra R530E|Matra R550 Magic 1|Matra R550 Magic 2|Matra Super 530F}}
{{main|SNEB type 23|DEFA 553 (30 mm)}}

The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' can be outfitted with the following ordnance:

* Without load
* 72 x SNEB type 23 rockets
* 144 x SNEB type 23 rockets
* 2 x 30 mm DEFA 553 cannons (180 rpg = 360 total)
* 5 x 250 kg SAMP Type 25 bombs (1,250 kg total)
* 5 x 400 kg SAMP Type 21 bombs (2,000 kg total)
* 3 x 1,000 kg SAMP Mk 84 bombs (3,000 kg total)
* 2 x Matra R550 Magic 1 missiles
* 2 x Matra R550 Magic 2 missiles
* 2 x Matra R530E missiles + 1 x Matra R530 missile
* 2 x Matra Super 530F missiles
* 2 x Matra R550 Magic 1 missiles + 2 x Matra Super 530F missiles + 1 x Matra R530 missile
* 2 x Matra R550 Magic 1 missiles + 1 x Matra R530E missile + 2 x 30 mm DEFA 553 cannons
* 2 x Matra R550 Magic 1 missiles + 2 x Matra Super 530F missiles
* 2 x Matra R550 Magic 1 missiles + 5 x 400 kg SAMP Type 21 bombs (2,000 kg total)
* 2 x Matra R550 Magic 1 missiles + 144 x SNEB type 23 rockets
* 2 x Matra R550 Magic 1 missiles + 72 x SNEB type 23 rockets + 1 x 1,000 kg SAMP Mk 84 bomb (1,000 kg total)
* 2 x Matra R550 Magic 1 missiles + 36 x SNEB type 23 rockets + 1 x 400 kg SAMP Type 21 bomb + 2 x 30 mm DEFA 553 cannons (400 kg total)
* 2 x Matra R550 Magic 2 missiles + 2 x Matra Super 530F missiles + 1 x Matra R530 missile
* 2 x Matra R550 Magic 2 missiles + 1 x Matra R530E missile + 2 x 30 mm DEFA 553 cannons
* 2 x Matra R550 Magic 2 missiles + 2 x Matra Super 530F missiles
* 2 x Matra R550 Magic 2 missiles + 5 x 400 kg SAMP Type 21 bombs (2,000 kg total)
* 2 x Matra R550 Magic 2 missiles + 144 x SNEB type 23 rockets
* 2 x Matra R550 Magic 2 missiles + 72 x SNEB type 23 rockets + 1 x 1,000 kg SAMP Mk 84 bomb (1,000 kg total)
* 2 x Matra R550 Magic 2 missiles + 36 x SNEB type 23 rockets + 1 x 400 kg SAMP Type 21 bomb + 2 x 30 mm DEFA 553 cannons (400 kg total)

==== Custom loadout options ====
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="100%"
|-
! !! width="6%" | 1 !! width="6%" | 2 !! width="6%" | 3 !! width="6%" | 4 !! width="6%" | 5 !! width="6%" | 6 !! width="6%" | 7
| rowspan="14" width="30%" | <div class="ttx-image">[[File:Hardpoints_{{PAGENAME}}.png]]</div>
|-
! Matra R550 Magic 1 missiles
| 1 || || || || || || 1
|-
! Matra R550 Magic 2 missiles
| 1 || || || || || || 1
|-
! SNEB type 23 rockets
| || 18, 36 || 18, 36 || || 18, 36 || 18, 36 ||
|-
! 250 kg SAMP Type 25 bombs
| || 1 || 1 || 1 || 1 || 1 ||
|-
! 250 kg SAMP Mk 82 bombs
| || 1 || 1 || 1 || 1 || 1 ||
|-
! 400 kg SAMP Type 21 bombs
| || 1 || 1 || 1 || 1 || 1 ||
|-
! 500 kg SAMP Mk 83 bombs
| || 1 || 1 || 1 || 1 || 1 ||
|-
! 30 mm DEFA 553 cannons (180 rpg)
| || || 1 || || 1 || ||
|-
! Matra Super 530F missiles
| || || 1 || || 1 || ||
|-
! 1,000 kg SAMP Mk 84 bombs
| || || 1 || 1 || 1 || ||
|-
! Matra R530E missiles
| || || 1 || 1 || 1 || ||
|-
! Matra R530 missiles
| || || 1 || 1 || 1 || ||
|-
| colspan="8" | Maximum permissible weight imbalance: 500 kg
|-
|}

== Usage in battles ==


The most effective way of using the Mirage F1C in Air Realistic battles is to play a support role. Try to stay behind your team and target slow and distracted enemies using the powerful air-to-air missiles. Considering the poor top speed and manoeuvrability of the Mirage F1C, it doesn't stand much chance in duels against most enemies, even against uptiered fighters.

The F1C also makes a surprisingly good strike aircraft due to its ability to carry larger bombs compared to its ground-striking peers such as the Mirage 5F or even the Jaguar.

'''Enemies worth noting:'''

Every fighter at the BR is a threat for the Mirage F1C because of its slow acceleration and bad elevator and rudder response. Any opposing fighter will outmanoeuvre you.

=== Pros and cons ===


'''Pros:'''

* Availability of Matra Super 530F and R550 Magic 2 air-to-air missiles
* The Cyrano-IV allows low altitude Pulse-Doppler (MTI) and ACM, an upgrade from the previous Mirages (IIIE & IIIC)
* 120 countermeasures
* Decent acceleration at higher speeds

'''Cons:'''

* Very slow acceleration with ordnance
* Poor manoeuvrability at low and high speeds with only "workable" agility at mid speeds
* Low wing-rip speed compared to other aircraft at the rank
* The Matra Super 530F missiles are very heavy and strongly impact flight performance
* 30 mm DEFA cannons are difficult to use, particularly against high-speed targets

== History ==

=== [[wt:en/news/7610-development-mirage-f1c-a-break-from-tradition-en|Devblog]] ===
In the early 1960s, Dassault Aviation was conducting intense design studies on the basis of the Mirage, resulting in a number of different variations of the aircraft emerging. Among them, a smaller swept wing design of the Mirage outfitted with the latest and more powerful SNECMA Atar 9K-50 turbojet engine garnered the interest of Dassault engineers as a possible future replacement to the existing Mirage III and Mirage 5 fighters.

Confident in the design, Dassault began conducting further design work under the official name Mirage F1 as part of a private venture. In late 1966, the first prototype conducted its maiden flight and the initial test results proved to be rather positive. In late 1966, the French Air Force also expressed interest in the aircraft and officially adopted the development programme. Subsequently, the Air Force ordered a small batch of pre-production aircraft to be built in April 1967. After Dassault persuaded the Air Force to accept the Mirage F1 into service in order to make the aircraft also marketable to foreign operators, the first production order for the aircraft was issued in 1969.

Entering official service with the French Air Force in March 1974, the Mirage F1 took part in their first combat operations a decade later flying sorties against insurgent forces in Chad. Mirage F1s also took part in French operations during the Gulf War in 1990. In the late 2000s, French Mirage F1s also supported international forces during operations in Afghanistan.

Apart from France, several other nations such as Greece, Spain, South Africa, Qatar, Iraq, Morocco, and many others, operated variants of the Mirage F1.

== Media ==


;Skins

* [https://live.warthunder.com/feed/camouflages/?vehicle=mirage_f1c Skins and camouflages for the {{PAGENAME}} from live.warthunder.com.]

;Images
<gallery mode="packed-hover" heights="200">
Mirage_F1C_WTWallpaper001.jpg
Mirage_F1C_WTWallpaper002.jpg
Mirage_F1C_WTWallpaper003.jpg
Mirage_F1C_WTWallpaper004.jpg
Mirage_F1C_WTWallpaper005.jpg
Mirage_F1C_WTWallpaper006.jpg
</gallery>

;Videos
{{Youtube-gallery|Ru7TKQXZQGs|'''The Shooting Range #297''' - ''Metal Beasts'' section at 00:28 discusses the {{PAGENAME}}.}}

== See also ==

''Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:''

* ''reference to the series of the aircraft;''
* ''links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.''

== External links ==


* [[wt:en/news/7610-development-mirage-f1c-a-break-from-tradition-en|[Devblog] Mirage F1C: A Break from Tradition]]
* [https://www.dassault-aviation.com/en/passion/aircraft/military-dassault-aircraft/mirage-f1/ <nowiki>[Dassault Aviation]</nowiki> Mirage F1]

{{AirManufacturer Dassault}}
{{France jet aircraft}}

Mirage F1C

2022-06-12T19:29:34Z

U11671543: Undo revision 130632 by U38088265 (talk)

{{Specs-Card
|code=mirage_f1c
|images={{Specs-Card-Image|GarageImage_{{PAGENAME}}.jpg}}
}}

== Description ==

The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a rank {{Specs|rank}} French jet fighter {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update "Wind of Change"]].

== General info ==
=== Flight performance ===
{{Specs-Avia-Flight}}


{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="70%"
! rowspan="2" | Characteristics
! colspan="2" | Max Speed (km/h at 12,000 m)
! rowspan="2" | Max altitude (metres)
! colspan="2" | Turn time (seconds)
! colspan="2" | Rate of climb (metres/second)
! rowspan="2" | Take-off run (metres)
|-
! AB !! RB !! AB !! RB !! AB !! RB
|-
! Stock
| 2,149 || 2,106 || rowspan="2" | {{Specs|ceiling}} || 28.6 || 29.1 || 129.5 || 123.5 || rowspan="2" | 750
|-
! Upgraded
| 2,228 || 2,228 || 26.0 || 27.0 || 183.2 || 155.0
|-
|}

==== Details ====
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="50%"
|-
! colspan="6" | Features
|-
! Combat flaps !! Take-off flaps !! Landing flaps !! Air brakes !! Arrestor gear !! Drogue chute
|-
| ✓ || ✓ || ✓ || ✓ || X || ✓ 
|-
|}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="50%"
|-
! colspan="7" | Limits
|-
! rowspan="2" | Wings (km/h)
! rowspan="2" | Gear (km/h)
! colspan="3" | Flaps (km/h)
! colspan="2" | Max Static G
|-
! Combat !! Take-off !! Landing !! + !! -
|-
| 1,351  || {{Specs|destruction|gear}} || 555 || 549 || 416 || ~__ || ~__
|-
|}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="4" | Optimal velocities (km/h)
|-
! Ailerons !! Rudder !! Elevators !! Radiator
|-
| < ___ || < ___ || < ___ || N/A
|-
|}

==== Engine performance ====
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="3" | Engine
! colspan="5" | Aircraft mass
|-
! colspan="2" | Engine name || Number
! colspan="2" | {{Annotation|Basic mass|Mass of the aircraft with pilot and engine oil, but no fuel or weapons load}} || colspan="3" | Wing loading (full fuel)
|-
| colspan="2" | SNECMA Atar 9K-50 || 1
| colspan="2" | 8,161 kg || colspan="3" | ___ kg/m2
|-
! colspan="3" | Engine characteristics
! colspan="4" | Mass with fuel (no weapons load) || rowspan="2" | Max Takeoff Weight
|-
! Weight (each) || colspan="2" | Type
! 13m fuel || 20m fuel || 30m fuel || 43m fuel
|-
| 1,590 kg || colspan="2" | Afterburning axial-flow turbojet
| 9,168 kg || 9,702 kg || 10,472 kg || 11,516 kg || _,___ kg
|-
! colspan="3" | {{Annotation|Maximum engine thrust @ 0 m (RB/SB)|The maximum thrust produced by each engine, while mounted in the aircraft. NOTE: Thrust varies significantly depending on speed & altitude.}}
! colspan="5" | Thrust to weight ratio @ 0 m (WEP)
|-
! Condition || 100% || WEP
! 13m fuel || 20m fuel || 30m fuel || 43m fuel || MTOW
|-
| ''Stationary'' || 4,876 kgf || 6,750 kgf
| 0.74 || 0.70 || 0.65 || 0.59 || _.__
|-
| ''Optimal'' || 5,900 kgf (1,200 - 1,351 km/h) || 9,110 kgf (1,351 km/h)
| 0.99 || 0.94 || 0.87 || 0.79 || _.__
|-
|}

=== Survivability and armour ===
{{Specs-Avia-Armour}}

''Examine the survivability of the aircraft. Note how vulnerable the structure is and how secure the pilot is, whether the fuel tanks are armoured, etc. Describe the armour, if there is any, and also mention the vulnerability of other critical aircraft systems.''

=== Modifications and economy ===
{{Specs-Economy}}

== Armaments ==
{{Specs-Avia-Armaments}}
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="4" | [[Ballistic Computer]]
|-
! CCIP (Guns) !! CCIP (Rockets) !! CCIP (Bombs) !! CCRP (Bombs)
|-
| {{Tick}} || {{Tick}} || {{Tick}} || {{Tick}}
|-
|}
=== Offensive armament ===
{{Specs-Avia-Offensive}}

{{main|DEFA 553 (30 mm)}}

The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' is armed with:

* A choice between two presets:
** 2 x 30 mm DEFA 553 cannons, belly-mounted (135 rpg = 270 total)
** 2 x 30 mm DEFA 553 cannons + 120 x countermeasures

=== Suspended armament ===
{{Specs-Avia-Suspended}}

{{main|SAMP Type 25 (250 kg)|SAMP Mk 82 (250 kg)|SAMP Type 21 (400 kg)|SAMP Mk 83 (500 kg)|SAMP Mk 84 (1,000 kg)}}
{{main|Matra R530|Matra R530E|Matra R550 Magic 1|Matra R550 Magic 2|Matra Super 530F}}
{{main|SNEB type 23|DEFA 553 (30 mm)}}

The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' can be outfitted with the following ordnance:

* Without load
* 72 x SNEB type 23 rockets
* 144 x SNEB type 23 rockets
* 2 x 30 mm DEFA 553 cannons (180 rpg = 360 total)
* 5 x 250 kg SAMP Type 25 bombs (1,250 kg total)
* 5 x 400 kg SAMP Type 21 bombs (2,000 kg total)
* 3 x 1,000 kg SAMP Mk 84 bombs (3,000 kg total)
* 2 x Matra R550 Magic 1 missiles
* 2 x Matra R550 Magic 2 missiles
* 2 x Matra R530E missiles + 1 x Matra R530 missile
* 2 x Matra Super 530F missiles
* 2 x Matra R550 Magic 1 missiles + 2 x Matra Super 530F missiles + 1 x Matra R530 missile
* 2 x Matra R550 Magic 1 missiles + 1 x Matra R530E missile + 2 x 30 mm DEFA 553 cannons
* 2 x Matra R550 Magic 1 missiles + 2 x Matra Super 530F missiles
* 2 x Matra R550 Magic 1 missiles + 5 x 400 kg SAMP Type 21 bombs (2,000 kg total)
* 2 x Matra R550 Magic 1 missiles + 144 x SNEB type 23 rockets
* 2 x Matra R550 Magic 1 missiles + 72 x SNEB type 23 rockets + 1 x 1,000 kg SAMP Mk 84 bomb (1,000 kg total)
* 2 x Matra R550 Magic 1 missiles + 36 x SNEB type 23 rockets + 1 x 400 kg SAMP Type 21 bomb + 2 x 30 mm DEFA 553 cannons (400 kg total)
* 2 x Matra R550 Magic 2 missiles + 2 x Matra Super 530F missiles + 1 x Matra R530 missile
* 2 x Matra R550 Magic 2 missiles + 1 x Matra R530E missile + 2 x 30 mm DEFA 553 cannons
* 2 x Matra R550 Magic 2 missiles + 2 x Matra Super 530F missiles
* 2 x Matra R550 Magic 2 missiles + 5 x 400 kg SAMP Type 21 bombs (2,000 kg total)
* 2 x Matra R550 Magic 2 missiles + 144 x SNEB type 23 rockets
* 2 x Matra R550 Magic 2 missiles + 72 x SNEB type 23 rockets + 1 x 1,000 kg SAMP Mk 84 bomb (1,000 kg total)
* 2 x Matra R550 Magic 2 missiles + 36 x SNEB type 23 rockets + 1 x 400 kg SAMP Type 21 bomb + 2 x 30 mm DEFA 553 cannons (400 kg total)

==== Custom loadout options ====
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="100%"
|-
! !! width="6%" | 1 !! width="6%" | 2 !! width="6%" | 3 !! width="6%" | 4 !! width="6%" | 5 !! width="6%" | 6 !! width="6%" | 7
| rowspan="14" width="30%" | <div class="ttx-image">[[File:Hardpoints_{{PAGENAME}}.png]]</div>
|-
! Matra R550 Magic 1 missiles
| 1 || || || || || || 1
|-
! Matra R550 Magic 2 missiles
| 1 || || || || || || 1
|-
! SNEB type 23 rockets
| || 18, 36 || 18, 36 || || 18, 36 || 18, 36 ||
|-
! 250 kg SAMP Type 25 bombs
| || 1 || 1 || 1 || 1 || 1 ||
|-
! 250 kg SAMP Mk 82 bombs
| || 1 || 1 || 1 || 1 || 1 ||
|-
! 400 kg SAMP Type 21 bombs
| || 1 || 1 || 1 || 1 || 1 ||
|-
! 500 kg SAMP Mk 83 bombs
| || 1 || 1 || 1 || 1 || 1 ||
|-
! 30 mm DEFA 553 cannons (180 rpg)
| || || 1 || || 1 || ||
|-
! Matra Super 530F missiles
| || || 1 || || 1 || ||
|-
! 1,000 kg SAMP Mk 84 bombs
| || || 1 || 1 || 1 || ||
|-
! Matra R530E missiles
| || || 1 || 1 || 1 || ||
|-
! Matra R530 missiles
| || || 1 || 1 || 1 || ||
|-
| colspan="8" | Maximum permissible weight imbalance: 500 kg
|-
|}

== Usage in battles ==


The most effective way of using the Mirage F1C in Air Realistic battles is to play a support role. Try to stay behind your team and target slow and distracted enemies. Considering the poor top speed and manoeuvrability of the Mirage F1C, it doesn't stand much chance in duels against most enemies, even against uptiered fighters.

Update: This plane has seen some minor buff to it's performance, but it still lacks aoa and agility - it's best played with teammates or in a supporting role using the powerful magic 2s to swiftly take out preoccupied or unaware opponents.

The F1c also makes a surprisingly good strike aircraft due to it's ability to carry larger bombs compared to it's other ground striker peers such as the Mirage 5F or even the Jaguar.

'''Enemies worth noting:'''

Every fighter at the BR is a threat for the Mirage F1C because of its slow acceleration and bad elevator and rudder response. Any opposing fighter will outmanoeuvre you.

=== Pros and cons ===


'''Pros:'''

* Availability of Matra Super 530F and R550 Magic 2 air-to-air missiles
* The Cyrano-IV allows low altitude Pulse-Doppler (MTI) and ACM, an upgrade from the previous Mirage (IIIE & IIIC)
* 120 countermeasures
* Decent high speed acceleration when you get it going
* Very good looking plane :)
* Magic 2 missiles pull nicely and have all aspect combability better than that of the Aim 9 L

'''Cons:'''

* Very slow acceleration with full loadout
* The Matra Super 530F missiles are very heavy and strongly impact flight performance
* The Matra Super 530 F also are usles for frontal engagement as missile is unable to lock on radar signal beyond 10 km making stealth out of missile range visibility viable strategy
* Poor maneuverability at low and high speeds with only "workable" agility at mid speeds
* Extreme speed loss until 660 km/h where manuvrebility drops to the level where phantom II with full bomb load can out turn you
* Low redline speed at around 1250 kph, slower than it's other 11.3 peers. (wing ripsat 1350 km/h)
* 30 mm DEFA cannons are difficult to use at high speeds dues to very slow bullets mostly making impossible firing beyond 800 m range if chasing enemy at over Mach 1 speeds
* Very reliant on missiles for it offence, easily countered by more experienced or aware pilots
* Matra R530F missiles are unreliable having little to no chaff resistance, best used on unaware and preoccupied targets.
* Extremely high repair cost for its possibilities of 9.7 performance comparable to eterdard IVM
* Absolutely useless combat flaps that rip at 450 km/h (the landing speed of the plane that players will use)
* Flaps not producing any effect on take of speeds (like there are not even there)
* Extreme speed of matra magic 2 mistile makes its turn radius much larger than magic 1 missiles
* Only 150 m/s climb while facing only planes having climb way beyond 200 m/s+
* Custom loadouts are limited extremely so you cant mount missiles ewrywere or anything other that would be useful or somewhat interesting despite its ability to take much heavier loads on pylons
* The Cyrano-IV must be set up manually every single mission to use MTI mode that also limits its usable range to 28 km
* Countermeasures seem to be much less effective compared to other planes requiring firing more of them to "fool" enemy missiles

== History ==

=== [[wt:en/news/7610-development-mirage-f1c-a-break-from-tradition-en|Devblog]] ===
In the early 1960s, Dassault Aviation was conducting intense design studies on the basis of the Mirage, resulting in a number of different variations of the aircraft emerging. Among them, a smaller swept wing design of the Mirage outfitted with the latest and more powerful SNECMA Atar 9K-50 turbojet engine garnered the interest of Dassault engineers as a possible future replacement to the existing Mirage III and Mirage 5 fighters.

Confident in the design, Dassault began conducting further design work under the official name Mirage F1 as part of a private venture. In late 1966, the first prototype conducted its maiden flight and the initial test results proved to be rather positive. In late 1966, the French Air Force also expressed interest in the aircraft and officially adopted the development programme. Subsequently, the Air Force ordered a small batch of pre-production aircraft to be built in April 1967. After Dassault persuaded the Air Force to accept the Mirage F1 into service in order to make the aircraft also marketable to foreign operators, the first production order for the aircraft was issued in 1969.

Entering official service with the French Air Force in March 1974, the Mirage F1 took part in their first combat operations a decade later flying sorties against insurgent forces in Chad. Mirage F1s also took part in French operations during the Gulf War in 1990. In the late 2000s, French Mirage F1s also supported international forces during operations in Afghanistan.

Apart from France, several other nations such as Greece, Spain, South Africa, Qatar, Iraq, Morocco, and many others, operated variants of the Mirage F1.

== Media ==


;Skins

* [https://live.warthunder.com/feed/camouflages/?vehicle=mirage_f1c Skins and camouflages for the {{PAGENAME}} from live.warthunder.com.]

;Images
<gallery mode="packed-hover" heights="200">
Mirage_F1C_WTWallpaper001.jpg
Mirage_F1C_WTWallpaper002.jpg
Mirage_F1C_WTWallpaper003.jpg
Mirage_F1C_WTWallpaper004.jpg
Mirage_F1C_WTWallpaper005.jpg
Mirage_F1C_WTWallpaper006.jpg
</gallery>

;Videos
{{Youtube-gallery|Ru7TKQXZQGs|'''The Shooting Range #297''' - ''Metal Beasts'' section at 00:28 discusses the {{PAGENAME}}.}}

== See also ==

''Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:''

* ''reference to the series of the aircraft;''
* ''links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.''

== External links ==


* [[wt:en/news/7610-development-mirage-f1c-a-break-from-tradition-en|[Devblog] Mirage F1C: A Break from Tradition]]
* [https://www.dassault-aviation.com/en/passion/aircraft/military-dassault-aircraft/mirage-f1/ <nowiki>[Dassault Aviation]</nowiki> Mirage F1]

{{AirManufacturer Dassault}}
{{France jet aircraft}}

Mirage F1C

2022-06-12T00:10:35Z

U11671543: cons

{{Specs-Card
|code=mirage_f1c
|images={{Specs-Card-Image|GarageImage_{{PAGENAME}}.jpg}}
}}

== Description ==

The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a rank {{Specs|rank}} French jet fighter {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update "Wind of Change"]].

== General info ==
=== Flight performance ===
{{Specs-Avia-Flight}}


{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="70%"
! rowspan="2" | Characteristics
! colspan="2" | Max Speed (km/h at 12,000 m)
! rowspan="2" | Max altitude (metres)
! colspan="2" | Turn time (seconds)
! colspan="2" | Rate of climb (metres/second)
! rowspan="2" | Take-off run (metres)
|-
! AB !! RB !! AB !! RB !! AB !! RB
|-
! Stock
| 2,149 || 2,106 || rowspan="2" | {{Specs|ceiling}} || 28.6 || 29.1 || 129.5 || 123.5 || rowspan="2" | 750
|-
! Upgraded
| 2,228 || 2,228 || 26.0 || 27.0 || 183.2 || 155.0
|-
|}

==== Details ====
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="50%"
|-
! colspan="6" | Features
|-
! Combat flaps !! Take-off flaps !! Landing flaps !! Air brakes !! Arrestor gear !! Drogue chute
|-
| ✓ || ✓ || ✓ || ✓ || X || ✓ 
|-
|}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="50%"
|-
! colspan="7" | Limits
|-
! rowspan="2" | Wings (km/h)
! rowspan="2" | Gear (km/h)
! colspan="3" | Flaps (km/h)
! colspan="2" | Max Static G
|-
! Combat !! Take-off !! Landing !! + !! -
|-
| 1,351  || {{Specs|destruction|gear}} || 555 || 549 || 416 || ~__ || ~__
|-
|}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="4" | Optimal velocities (km/h)
|-
! Ailerons !! Rudder !! Elevators !! Radiator
|-
| < ___ || < ___ || < ___ || N/A
|-
|}

==== Engine performance ====
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="3" | Engine
! colspan="5" | Aircraft mass
|-
! colspan="2" | Engine name || Number
! colspan="2" | {{Annotation|Basic mass|Mass of the aircraft with pilot and engine oil, but no fuel or weapons load}} || colspan="3" | Wing loading (full fuel)
|-
| colspan="2" | SNECMA Atar 9K-50 || 1
| colspan="2" | 8,161 kg || colspan="3" | ___ kg/m2
|-
! colspan="3" | Engine characteristics
! colspan="4" | Mass with fuel (no weapons load) || rowspan="2" | Max Takeoff Weight
|-
! Weight (each) || colspan="2" | Type
! 13m fuel || 20m fuel || 30m fuel || 43m fuel
|-
| 1,590 kg || colspan="2" | Afterburning axial-flow turbojet
| 9,168 kg || 9,702 kg || 10,472 kg || 11,516 kg || _,___ kg
|-
! colspan="3" | {{Annotation|Maximum engine thrust @ 0 m (RB/SB)|The maximum thrust produced by each engine, while mounted in the aircraft. NOTE: Thrust varies significantly depending on speed & altitude.}}
! colspan="5" | Thrust to weight ratio @ 0 m (WEP)
|-
! Condition || 100% || WEP
! 13m fuel || 20m fuel || 30m fuel || 43m fuel || MTOW
|-
| ''Stationary'' || 4,876 kgf || 6,750 kgf
| 0.74 || 0.70 || 0.65 || 0.59 || _.__
|-
| ''Optimal'' || 5,900 kgf (1,200 - 1,351 km/h) || 9,110 kgf (1,351 km/h)
| 0.99 || 0.94 || 0.87 || 0.79 || _.__
|-
|}

=== Survivability and armour ===
{{Specs-Avia-Armour}}

''Examine the survivability of the aircraft. Note how vulnerable the structure is and how secure the pilot is, whether the fuel tanks are armoured, etc. Describe the armour, if there is any, and also mention the vulnerability of other critical aircraft systems.''

=== Modifications and economy ===
{{Specs-Economy}}

== Armaments ==
{{Specs-Avia-Armaments}}
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="4" | [[Ballistic Computer]]
|-
! CCIP (Guns) !! CCIP (Rockets) !! CCIP (Bombs) !! CCRP (Bombs)
|-
| {{Tick}} || {{Tick}} || {{Tick}} || {{Tick}}
|-
|}
=== Offensive armament ===
{{Specs-Avia-Offensive}}

{{main|DEFA 553 (30 mm)}}

The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' is armed with:

* A choice between two presets:
** 2 x 30 mm DEFA 553 cannons, belly-mounted (135 rpg = 270 total)
** 2 x 30 mm DEFA 553 cannons + 120 x countermeasures

=== Suspended armament ===
{{Specs-Avia-Suspended}}

{{main|SAMP Type 25 (250 kg)|SAMP Mk 82 (250 kg)|SAMP Type 21 (400 kg)|SAMP Mk 83 (500 kg)|SAMP Mk 84 (1,000 kg)}}
{{main|Matra R530|Matra R530E|Matra R550 Magic 1|Matra R550 Magic 2|Matra Super 530F}}
{{main|SNEB type 23|DEFA 553 (30 mm)}}

The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' can be outfitted with the following ordnance:

* Without load
* 72 x SNEB type 23 rockets
* 144 x SNEB type 23 rockets
* 2 x 30 mm DEFA 553 cannons (180 rpg = 360 total)
* 5 x 250 kg SAMP Type 25 bombs (1,250 kg total)
* 5 x 400 kg SAMP Type 21 bombs (2,000 kg total)
* 3 x 1,000 kg SAMP Mk 84 bombs (3,000 kg total)
* 2 x Matra R550 Magic 1 missiles
* 2 x Matra R550 Magic 2 missiles
* 2 x Matra R530E missiles + 1 x Matra R530 missile
* 2 x Matra Super 530F missiles
* 2 x Matra R550 Magic 1 missiles + 2 x Matra Super 530F missiles + 1 x Matra R530 missile
* 2 x Matra R550 Magic 1 missiles + 1 x Matra R530E missile + 2 x 30 mm DEFA 553 cannons
* 2 x Matra R550 Magic 1 missiles + 2 x Matra Super 530F missiles
* 2 x Matra R550 Magic 1 missiles + 5 x 400 kg SAMP Type 21 bombs (2,000 kg total)
* 2 x Matra R550 Magic 1 missiles + 144 x SNEB type 23 rockets
* 2 x Matra R550 Magic 1 missiles + 72 x SNEB type 23 rockets + 1 x 1,000 kg SAMP Mk 84 bomb (1,000 kg total)
* 2 x Matra R550 Magic 1 missiles + 36 x SNEB type 23 rockets + 1 x 400 kg SAMP Type 21 bomb + 2 x 30 mm DEFA 553 cannons (400 kg total)
* 2 x Matra R550 Magic 2 missiles + 2 x Matra Super 530F missiles + 1 x Matra R530 missile
* 2 x Matra R550 Magic 2 missiles + 1 x Matra R530E missile + 2 x 30 mm DEFA 553 cannons
* 2 x Matra R550 Magic 2 missiles + 2 x Matra Super 530F missiles
* 2 x Matra R550 Magic 2 missiles + 5 x 400 kg SAMP Type 21 bombs (2,000 kg total)
* 2 x Matra R550 Magic 2 missiles + 144 x SNEB type 23 rockets
* 2 x Matra R550 Magic 2 missiles + 72 x SNEB type 23 rockets + 1 x 1,000 kg SAMP Mk 84 bomb (1,000 kg total)
* 2 x Matra R550 Magic 2 missiles + 36 x SNEB type 23 rockets + 1 x 400 kg SAMP Type 21 bomb + 2 x 30 mm DEFA 553 cannons (400 kg total)

==== Custom loadout options ====
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="100%"
|-
! !! width="6%" | 1 !! width="6%" | 2 !! width="6%" | 3 !! width="6%" | 4 !! width="6%" | 5 !! width="6%" | 6 !! width="6%" | 7
| rowspan="14" width="30%" | <div class="ttx-image">[[File:Hardpoints_{{PAGENAME}}.png]]</div>
|-
! Matra R550 Magic 1 missiles
| 1 || || || || || || 1
|-
! Matra R550 Magic 2 missiles
| 1 || || || || || || 1
|-
! SNEB type 23 rockets
| || 18, 36 || 18, 36 || || 18, 36 || 18, 36 ||
|-
! 250 kg SAMP Type 25 bombs
| || 1 || 1 || 1 || 1 || 1 ||
|-
! 250 kg SAMP Mk 82 bombs
| || 1 || 1 || 1 || 1 || 1 ||
|-
! 400 kg SAMP Type 21 bombs
| || 1 || 1 || 1 || 1 || 1 ||
|-
! 500 kg SAMP Mk 83 bombs
| || 1 || 1 || 1 || 1 || 1 ||
|-
! 30 mm DEFA 553 cannons (180 rpg)
| || || 1 || || 1 || ||
|-
! Matra Super 530F missiles
| || || 1 || || 1 || ||
|-
! 1,000 kg SAMP Mk 84 bombs
| || || 1 || 1 || 1 || ||
|-
! Matra R530E missiles
| || || 1 || 1 || 1 || ||
|-
! Matra R530 missiles
| || || 1 || 1 || 1 || ||
|-
| colspan="8" | Maximum permissible weight imbalance: 500 kg
|-
|}

== Usage in battles ==


The most effective way of using the Mirage F1C in Air Realistic battles is to play a support role. Try to stay behind your team and target slow and distracted enemies. Considering the poor top speed and manoeuvrability of the Mirage F1C, it doesn't stand much chance in duels against most enemies, even against uptiered fighters.

Update: This plane has seen some minor buff to it's performance, but it still lacks aoa and agility - it's best played with teammates or in a supporting role using the powerful magic 2s to swiftly take out preoccupied or unaware opponents.

The F1c also makes a surprisingly good strike aircraft due to it's ability to carry larger bombs compared to it's other ground striker peers such as the Mirage 5F or even the Jaguar.

'''Enemies worth noting:'''

Every fighter at the BR is a threat for the Mirage F1C because of its slow acceleration and bad elevator and rudder response. Any opposing fighter will outmanoeuvre you.

=== Pros and cons ===


'''Pros:'''

* Availability of Matra Super 530F and R550 Magic 2 air-to-air missiles
* The Cyrano-IV allows low altitude Pulse-Doppler (MTI) and ACM, an upgrade from the previous Mirage (IIIE & IIIC)
* 120 countermeasures
* Decent high speed acceleration when you get it going
* Very good looking plane :)
* Magic 2 missiles pull nicely and have all aspect combability better than that of the Aim 9 L

'''Cons:'''

* Very slow acceleration with full loadout
* The Matra Super 530F missiles are very heavy and strongly impact flight performance
* The Matra Super 530 F also are usles for frontal engagement as missile is unable to lock on radar signal beyond 10 km making stealth out of missile range visibility viable strategy
* Poor maneuverability at low and high speeds with only "workable" agility at mid speeds
* Extreme speed loss until 660 km/h where manuvrebility drops to the level where phantom II with full bomb load can out turn you
* Low redline speed at around 1250 kph, slower than it's other 11.3 peers. (wing ripsat 1350 km/h)
* 30 mm DEFA cannons are difficult to use at high speeds dues to very slow bullets mostly making impossible firing beyond 800 m range if chasing enemy at over Mach 1 speeds
* Very reliant on missiles for it offence, easily countered by more experienced or aware pilots
* Matra R530F missiles are unreliable having little to no chaff resistance, best used on unaware and preoccupied targets.
* Extremely high repair cost for its possibilities of 9.7 performance comparable to eterdard IVM
* Absolutely useless combat flaps that rip at 450 km/h (the landing speed of the plane that players will use)
* Flaps not producing any effect on take of speeds (like there are not even there)
* Extreme speed of matra magic 2 mistile makes its turn radius much larger than magic 1 missiles
* Only 150 m/s climb while facing only planes having climb way beyond 200 m/s+
* Custom loadouts are limited extremely so you cant mount missiles ewrywere or anything other that would be useful or somewhat interesting despite its ability to take much heavier loads on pylons
* The Cyrano-IV must be set up manually every single mission to use MTI mode that also limits its usable range to 28 km
* Countermeasures seem to be much less effective compared to other planes requiring firing more of them to "fool" enemy missiles

== History ==

=== [[wt:en/news/7610-development-mirage-f1c-a-break-from-tradition-en|Devblog]] ===
In the early 1960s, Dassault Aviation was conducting intense design studies on the basis of the Mirage, resulting in a number of different variations of the aircraft emerging. Among them, a smaller swept wing design of the Mirage outfitted with the latest and more powerful SNECMA Atar 9K-50 turbojet engine garnered the interest of Dassault engineers as a possible future replacement to the existing Mirage III and Mirage 5 fighters.

Confident in the design, Dassault began conducting further design work under the official name Mirage F1 as part of a private venture. In late 1966, the first prototype conducted its maiden flight and the initial test results proved to be rather positive. In late 1966, the French Air Force also expressed interest in the aircraft and officially adopted the development programme. Subsequently, the Air Force ordered a small batch of pre-production aircraft to be built in April 1967. After Dassault persuaded the Air Force to accept the Mirage F1 into service in order to make the aircraft also marketable to foreign operators, the first production order for the aircraft was issued in 1969.

Entering official service with the French Air Force in March 1974, the Mirage F1 took part in their first combat operations a decade later flying sorties against insurgent forces in Chad. Mirage F1s also took part in French operations during the Gulf War in 1990. In the late 2000s, French Mirage F1s also supported international forces during operations in Afghanistan.

Apart from France, several other nations such as Greece, Spain, South Africa, Qatar, Iraq, Morocco, and many others, operated variants of the Mirage F1.

== Media ==


;Skins

* [https://live.warthunder.com/feed/camouflages/?vehicle=mirage_f1c Skins and camouflages for the {{PAGENAME}} from live.warthunder.com.]

;Images
<gallery mode="packed-hover" heights="200">
Mirage_F1C_WTWallpaper001.jpg
Mirage_F1C_WTWallpaper002.jpg
Mirage_F1C_WTWallpaper003.jpg
Mirage_F1C_WTWallpaper004.jpg
Mirage_F1C_WTWallpaper005.jpg
Mirage_F1C_WTWallpaper006.jpg
</gallery>

;Videos
{{Youtube-gallery|Ru7TKQXZQGs|'''The Shooting Range #297''' - ''Metal Beasts'' section at 00:28 discusses the {{PAGENAME}}.}}

== See also ==

''Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:''

* ''reference to the series of the aircraft;''
* ''links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.''

== External links ==


* [[wt:en/news/7610-development-mirage-f1c-a-break-from-tradition-en|[Devblog] Mirage F1C: A Break from Tradition]]
* [https://www.dassault-aviation.com/en/passion/aircraft/military-dassault-aircraft/mirage-f1/ <nowiki>[Dassault Aviation]</nowiki> Mirage F1]

{{AirManufacturer Dassault}}
{{France jet aircraft}}

Mirage F1C

2022-06-11T13:17:36Z

U11671543: usage in battles

{{Specs-Card
|code=mirage_f1c
|images={{Specs-Card-Image|GarageImage_{{PAGENAME}}.jpg}}
}}

== Description ==

The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a rank {{Specs|rank}} French jet fighter {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update "Wind of Change"]].

== General info ==
=== Flight performance ===
{{Specs-Avia-Flight}}


{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="70%"
! rowspan="2" | Characteristics
! colspan="2" | Max Speed (km/h at 12,000 m)
! rowspan="2" | Max altitude (metres)
! colspan="2" | Turn time (seconds)
! colspan="2" | Rate of climb (metres/second)
! rowspan="2" | Take-off run (metres)
|-
! AB !! RB !! AB !! RB !! AB !! RB
|-
! Stock
| 2,149 || 2,106 || rowspan="2" | {{Specs|ceiling}} || 28.6 || 29.1 || 129.5 || 123.5 || rowspan="2" | 750
|-
! Upgraded
| 2,228 || 2,228 || 26.0 || 27.0 || 183.2 || 155.0
|-
|}

==== Details ====
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="50%"
|-
! colspan="6" | Features
|-
! Combat flaps !! Take-off flaps !! Landing flaps !! Air brakes !! Arrestor gear !! Drogue chute
|-
| ✓ || ✓ || ✓ || ✓ || X || ✓ 
|-
|}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="50%"
|-
! colspan="7" | Limits
|-
! rowspan="2" | Wings (km/h)
! rowspan="2" | Gear (km/h)
! colspan="3" | Flaps (km/h)
! colspan="2" | Max Static G
|-
! Combat !! Take-off !! Landing !! + !! -
|-
| 1,351  || {{Specs|destruction|gear}} || 555 || 549 || 416 || ~__ || ~__
|-
|}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="4" | Optimal velocities (km/h)
|-
! Ailerons !! Rudder !! Elevators !! Radiator
|-
| < ___ || < ___ || < ___ || N/A
|-
|}

==== Engine performance ====
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="3" | Engine
! colspan="5" | Aircraft mass
|-
! colspan="2" | Engine name || Number
! colspan="2" | {{Annotation|Basic mass|Mass of the aircraft with pilot and engine oil, but no fuel or weapons load}} || colspan="3" | Wing loading (full fuel)
|-
| colspan="2" | SNECMA Atar 9K-50 || 1
| colspan="2" | 8,161 kg || colspan="3" | ___ kg/m2
|-
! colspan="3" | Engine characteristics
! colspan="4" | Mass with fuel (no weapons load) || rowspan="2" | Max Takeoff Weight
|-
! Weight (each) || colspan="2" | Type
! 13m fuel || 20m fuel || 30m fuel || 43m fuel
|-
| 1,590 kg || colspan="2" | Afterburning axial-flow turbojet
| 9,168 kg || 9,702 kg || 10,472 kg || 11,516 kg || _,___ kg
|-
! colspan="3" | {{Annotation|Maximum engine thrust @ 0 m (RB/SB)|The maximum thrust produced by each engine, while mounted in the aircraft. NOTE: Thrust varies significantly depending on speed & altitude.}}
! colspan="5" | Thrust to weight ratio @ 0 m (WEP)
|-
! Condition || 100% || WEP
! 13m fuel || 20m fuel || 30m fuel || 43m fuel || MTOW
|-
| ''Stationary'' || 4,876 kgf || 6,750 kgf
| 0.74 || 0.70 || 0.65 || 0.59 || _.__
|-
| ''Optimal'' || 5,900 kgf (1,200 - 1,351 km/h) || 9,110 kgf (1,351 km/h)
| 0.99 || 0.94 || 0.87 || 0.79 || _.__
|-
|}

=== Survivability and armour ===
{{Specs-Avia-Armour}}

''Examine the survivability of the aircraft. Note how vulnerable the structure is and how secure the pilot is, whether the fuel tanks are armoured, etc. Describe the armour, if there is any, and also mention the vulnerability of other critical aircraft systems.''

=== Modifications and economy ===
{{Specs-Economy}}

== Armaments ==
{{Specs-Avia-Armaments}}
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="4" | [[Ballistic Computer]]
|-
! CCIP (Guns) !! CCIP (Rockets) !! CCIP (Bombs) !! CCRP (Bombs)
|-
| {{Tick}} || {{Tick}} || {{Tick}} || {{Tick}}
|-
|}
=== Offensive armament ===
{{Specs-Avia-Offensive}}

{{main|DEFA 553 (30 mm)}}

The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' is armed with:

* A choice between two presets:
** 2 x 30 mm DEFA 553 cannons, belly-mounted (135 rpg = 270 total)
** 2 x 30 mm DEFA 553 cannons + 120 x countermeasures

=== Suspended armament ===
{{Specs-Avia-Suspended}}

{{main|SAMP Type 25 (250 kg)|SAMP Mk 82 (250 kg)|SAMP Type 21 (400 kg)|SAMP Mk 83 (500 kg)|SAMP Mk 84 (1,000 kg)}}
{{main|Matra R530|Matra R530E|Matra R550 Magic 1|Matra R550 Magic 2|Matra Super 530F}}
{{main|SNEB type 23|DEFA 553 (30 mm)}}

The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' can be outfitted with the following ordnance:

* Without load
* 72 x SNEB type 23 rockets
* 144 x SNEB type 23 rockets
* 2 x 30 mm DEFA 553 cannons (180 rpg = 360 total)
* 5 x 250 kg SAMP Type 25 bombs (1,250 kg total)
* 5 x 400 kg SAMP Type 21 bombs (2,000 kg total)
* 3 x 1,000 kg SAMP Mk 84 bombs (3,000 kg total)
* 2 x Matra R550 Magic 1 missiles
* 2 x Matra R550 Magic 2 missiles
* 2 x Matra R530E missiles + 1 x Matra R530 missile
* 2 x Matra Super 530F missiles
* 2 x Matra R550 Magic 1 missiles + 2 x Matra Super 530F missiles + 1 x Matra R530 missile
* 2 x Matra R550 Magic 1 missiles + 1 x Matra R530E missile + 2 x 30 mm DEFA 553 cannons
* 2 x Matra R550 Magic 1 missiles + 2 x Matra Super 530F missiles
* 2 x Matra R550 Magic 1 missiles + 5 x 400 kg SAMP Type 21 bombs (2,000 kg total)
* 2 x Matra R550 Magic 1 missiles + 144 x SNEB type 23 rockets
* 2 x Matra R550 Magic 1 missiles + 72 x SNEB type 23 rockets + 1 x 1,000 kg SAMP Mk 84 bomb (1,000 kg total)
* 2 x Matra R550 Magic 1 missiles + 36 x SNEB type 23 rockets + 1 x 400 kg SAMP Type 21 bomb + 2 x 30 mm DEFA 553 cannons (400 kg total)
* 2 x Matra R550 Magic 2 missiles + 2 x Matra Super 530F missiles + 1 x Matra R530 missile
* 2 x Matra R550 Magic 2 missiles + 1 x Matra R530E missile + 2 x 30 mm DEFA 553 cannons
* 2 x Matra R550 Magic 2 missiles + 2 x Matra Super 530F missiles
* 2 x Matra R550 Magic 2 missiles + 5 x 400 kg SAMP Type 21 bombs (2,000 kg total)
* 2 x Matra R550 Magic 2 missiles + 144 x SNEB type 23 rockets
* 2 x Matra R550 Magic 2 missiles + 72 x SNEB type 23 rockets + 1 x 1,000 kg SAMP Mk 84 bomb (1,000 kg total)
* 2 x Matra R550 Magic 2 missiles + 36 x SNEB type 23 rockets + 1 x 400 kg SAMP Type 21 bomb + 2 x 30 mm DEFA 553 cannons (400 kg total)

==== Custom loadout options ====
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="100%"
|-
! !! width="6%" | 1 !! width="6%" | 2 !! width="6%" | 3 !! width="6%" | 4 !! width="6%" | 5 !! width="6%" | 6 !! width="6%" | 7
| rowspan="14" width="30%" | <div class="ttx-image">[[File:Hardpoints_{{PAGENAME}}.png]]</div>
|-
! Matra R550 Magic 1 missiles
| 1 || || || || || || 1
|-
! Matra R550 Magic 2 missiles
| 1 || || || || || || 1
|-
! SNEB type 23 rockets
| || 18, 36 || 18, 36 || || 18, 36 || 18, 36 ||
|-
! 250 kg SAMP Type 25 bombs
| || 1 || 1 || 1 || 1 || 1 ||
|-
! 250 kg SAMP Mk 82 bombs
| || 1 || 1 || 1 || 1 || 1 ||
|-
! 400 kg SAMP Type 21 bombs
| || 1 || 1 || 1 || 1 || 1 ||
|-
! 500 kg SAMP Mk 83 bombs
| || 1 || 1 || 1 || 1 || 1 ||
|-
! 30 mm DEFA 553 cannons (180 rpg)
| || || 1 || || 1 || ||
|-
! Matra Super 530F missiles
| || || 1 || || 1 || ||
|-
! 1,000 kg SAMP Mk 84 bombs
| || || 1 || 1 || 1 || ||
|-
! Matra R530E missiles
| || || 1 || 1 || 1 || ||
|-
! Matra R530 missiles
| || || 1 || 1 || 1 || ||
|-
| colspan="8" | Maximum permissible weight imbalance: 500 kg
|-
|}

== Usage in battles ==


The most effective way of using the Mirage F1C in Air Realistic battles is to play a support role. Try to stay behind your team and target slow and distracted enemies. Considering the poor top speed and manoeuvrability of the Mirage F1C, it doesn't stand much chance in duels against most enemies, even against uptiered fighters.

Best is you do the usual ground pounding taking only 2 mistiles matra magic 1 and 2 gunpods with ground belt ammo and go for ground units only

and stay away from any enemy planes even bombers have beter agility than you so dont even try to fight with them.

'''Enemies worth noting:'''

Every fighter and bomber at the BR is a threat for the Mirage F1C because of its slow acceleration and bad elevator and rudder response. Any opposing fighter will outmanoeuvre you and kill you even phantoms with full bomb load will turn beter than you with 3 m fuel time left.

=== Pros and cons ===


'''Pros:'''

* Availability of Matra Super 530F and R550 Magic 2 air-to-air missiles
* The Cyrano-IV allows low altitude Pulse-Doppler (MTI) and ACM, an upgrade from the previous Mirage (IIIE & IIIC)
* 120 countermeasures

'''Cons:'''

* Very slow acceleration with full loadout
* The Matra Super 530F missiles are very heavy and strongly impact flight performance
* Poor manoeuvrability
* Poor top speed compared to other aircraft at this rank
* 30 mm DEFA cannons are difficult to use at high speeds
* On hot maps, the engine overheats quickly

== History ==

=== [[wt:en/news/7610-development-mirage-f1c-a-break-from-tradition-en|Devblog]] ===
In the early 1960s, Dassault Aviation was conducting intense design studies on the basis of the Mirage, resulting in a number of different variations of the aircraft emerging. Among them, a smaller swept wing design of the Mirage outfitted with the latest and more powerful SNECMA Atar 9K-50 turbojet engine garnered the interest of Dassault engineers as a possible future replacement to the existing Mirage III and Mirage 5 fighters.

Confident in the design, Dassault began conducting further design work under the official name Mirage F1 as part of a private venture. In late 1966, the first prototype conducted its maiden flight and the initial test results proved to be rather positive. In late 1966, the French Air Force also expressed interest in the aircraft and officially adopted the development programme. Subsequently, the Air Force ordered a small batch of pre-production aircraft to be built in April 1967. After Dassault persuaded the Air Force to accept the Mirage F1 into service in order to make the aircraft also marketable to foreign operators, the first production order for the aircraft was issued in 1969.

Entering official service with the French Air Force in March 1974, the Mirage F1 took part in their first combat operations a decade later flying sorties against insurgent forces in Chad. Mirage F1s also took part in French operations during the Gulf War in 1990. In the late 2000s, French Mirage F1s also supported international forces during operations in Afghanistan.

Apart from France, several other nations such as Greece, Spain, South Africa, Qatar, Iraq, Morocco, and many others, operated variants of the Mirage F1.

== Media ==


;Skins

* [https://live.warthunder.com/feed/camouflages/?vehicle=mirage_f1c Skins and camouflages for the {{PAGENAME}} from live.warthunder.com.]

;Images
<gallery mode="packed-hover" heights="200">
Mirage_F1C_WTWallpaper001.jpg
Mirage_F1C_WTWallpaper002.jpg
Mirage_F1C_WTWallpaper003.jpg
Mirage_F1C_WTWallpaper004.jpg
Mirage_F1C_WTWallpaper005.jpg
Mirage_F1C_WTWallpaper006.jpg
</gallery>

;Videos
{{Youtube-gallery|Ru7TKQXZQGs|'''The Shooting Range #297''' - ''Metal Beasts'' section at 00:28 discusses the {{PAGENAME}}.}}

== See also ==

''Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:''

* ''reference to the series of the aircraft;''
* ''links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.''

== External links ==


* [[wt:en/news/7610-development-mirage-f1c-a-break-from-tradition-en|[Devblog] Mirage F1C: A Break from Tradition]]
* [https://www.dassault-aviation.com/en/passion/aircraft/military-dassault-aircraft/mirage-f1/ <nowiki>[Dassault Aviation]</nowiki> Mirage F1]

{{AirManufacturer Dassault}}
{{France jet aircraft}}

AJ37

2022-01-05T18:14:05Z

U11671543: /* Pros and cons */

{{About
| about = Swedish strike aircraft '''{{PAGENAME}}'''
| usage = other versions
| link = SAAB 37 Viggen (Family)
}}
{{Specs-Card
|code=saab_aj37
|images={{Specs-Card-Image|GarageImage_{{PAGENAME}}.jpg}}
}}

== Description ==

The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a rank {{Specs|rank}} Swedish strike aircraft {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update "Ground Breaking"]].

== General info ==
=== Flight performance ===
{{Specs-Avia-Flight}}

''Describe how the aircraft behaves in the air. Speed, manoeuvrability, acceleration and allowable loads - these are the most important characteristics of the vehicle.''

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="70%"
! rowspan="2" | Characteristics
! colspan="2" | Max Speed (km/h at 9,000 m)
! rowspan="2" | Max altitude (metres)
! colspan="2" | Turn time (seconds)
! colspan="2" | Rate of climb (metres/second)
! rowspan="2" | Take-off run (metres)
|-
! AB !! RB !! AB !! RB !! AB !! RB
|-
! Stock
| 1,869 || 1,825 || rowspan="2" | {{Specs|ceiling}} || 26.2 || 26.3 || 157.1 || 145.8 || rowspan="2" | 900
|-
! Upgraded
| ___ || ___ || __._ || __._ || __._ || __._
|-
|}

==== Details ====
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="50%"
|-
! colspan="6" | Features
|-
! Combat flaps !! Take-off flaps !! Landing flaps !! Air brakes !! Arrestor gear !! Drogue chute
|-
| X || X || ✓ || ✓ || X || X 
|-
|}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="50%"
|-
! colspan="7" | Limits
|-
! rowspan="2" | Wings (km/h)
! rowspan="2" | Gear (km/h)
! colspan="3" | Flaps (km/h)
! colspan="2" | Max Static G
|-
! Combat !! Take-off !! Landing !! + !! -
|-
| {{Specs|destruction|body}} || {{Specs|destruction|gear}} || N/A || N/A || 400 || ~12 || ~4
|-
|}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="4" | Optimal velocities (km/h)
|-
! Ailerons !! Rudder !! Elevators !! Radiator
|-
| < 865 || < 700 || < 520 || N/A
|-
|}

==== Engine performance ====
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="3" | Engine
! colspan="6" | Aircraft mass
|-
! colspan="2" | Engine name || Number
! colspan="3" | {{Annotation|Basic mass|Mass of the aircraft with pilot and engine oil, but no fuel or weapons load}} || colspan="3" | Wing loading (full fuel)
|-
| colspan="2" | Svenska Flygmotor RM8A || 1
| colspan="3" | 11,015 kg || colspan="3" | 309 kg/m2
|-
! colspan="3" | Engine characteristics
! colspan="5" | Mass with fuel (no weapons load) || rowspan="2" | Max Takeoff Weight
|-
! Weight (each) || colspan="2" | Type
! 15m fuel || 20m fuel || 30m fuel || 45m fuel || 51m fuel
|-
| 2,350 kg || colspan="2" | Afterburning low-bypass turbofan
| 12,341 kg || 12,727 kg || 13,583 kg || 14,867 kg || 15,435 kg || 19,000 kg
|-
! colspan="3" | {{Annotation|Maximum engine thrust @ 0 m (RB/SB)|The maximum thrust produced by each engine, while mounted in the aircraft. NOTE: Thrust varies significantly depending on speed & altitude.}}
! colspan="6" | Thrust to weight ratio @ 0 m (WEP)
|-
! Condition || 100% || WEP
! 15m fuel || 20m fuel || 30m fuel || 45m fuel || 51m fuel || MTOW
|-
| ''Stationary'' || 6,386 kgf || 10,520 kgf
| 0.85 || 0.83 || 0.77 || 0.71 || 0.68 || 0.55
|-
| ''Optimal'' || 6,386 kgf (0 km/h) || 15,255 kgf (1,250 km/h)
| 1.24 || 1.20 || 1.12 || 1.03 || 0.99 || 0.80
|-
|}

=== Survivability and armour ===
{{Specs-Avia-Armour}}

''Examine the survivability of the aircraft. Note how vulnerable the structure is and how secure the pilot is, whether the fuel tanks are armoured, etc. Describe the armour, if there is any, and also mention the vulnerability of other critical aircraft systems.''

=== Modifications and economy ===
{{Specs-Economy}}

== Armaments ==
{{Specs-Avia-Armaments}}
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="4" | [[Ballistic Computer]]
|-
! CCIP (Guns) !! CCIP (Rockets) !! CCIP (Bombs) !! CCRP (Bombs)
|-
| {{Tick}} || {{Tick}} || {{Tick}} || {{Cross}}
|-
|}
=== Suspended armament ===
{{Specs-Avia-Suspended}}

{{main|m/71 (120 kg)|psrak m/70|Akan m/55 (30 mm)}}
{{main|RB24|RB24J|RB 75|Rb05A}}

The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' can be outfitted with the following ordnance:

* 2 x 30 mm Akan m/55 cannons (150 rpg = 300 total)
* 24 x psrak m/70 rockets
* 12 x psrak m/70 rockets + 48 x countermeasures
* 2 x Rb05A missiles
* 2 x Rb05A missiles + 48 x countermeasures
* 2 x RB 75 missiles
* 2 x RB 75 missiles + 48 x countermeasures
* 2 x RB24 missiles
* 2 x RB24 missiles + 48 x countermeasures
* 2 x RB24J missiles
* 2 x RB24J missiles + 48 x countermeasures
* 16 x 120 kg m/71 bombs (1,920 kg total)
* 8 x 120 kg m/71 bombs + 48 x countermeasures (960 kg total)
* 2 x 30 mm Akan m/55 cannons + 2 x Rb05A missiles
* 2 x 30 mm Akan m/55 cannons + 2 x RB 75 missiles
* 2 x 30 mm Akan m/55 cannons + 12 x psrak m/70 rockets
* 2 x 30 mm Akan m/55 cannons + 2 x RB24J missiles
* 2 x 30 mm Akan m/55 cannons + 2 x RB24 missiles

== Usage in battles ==

''Describe the tactics of playing in the aircraft, the features of using aircraft in a team and advice on tactics. Refrain from creating a "guide" - do not impose a single point of view, but instead, give the reader food for thought. Examine the most dangerous enemies and give recommendations on fighting them. If necessary, note the specifics of the game in different modes (AB, RB, SB).''

=== Pros and cons ===


'''Pros:'''

* Excellent wing limit speed at sea-Level
* Access to Maverick air-to-ground missiles (RB 75)
* Has reverse thrust

'''Cons:'''

* CAS options available do not allow bringing more than one type of missile, rocket, or bomb
* Bleeds energy quickly with tight turns
* Countermeasures restrict maximum allowed suspended armaments
* Guaranded loss of credits when not fully researched
* Small bombs for strike aircraft
* Gunpods with extremly limited firerate forcing to aim very precisly
* Access to AIM-9J that for Rank VII plane are not comperable to other planes
* Reverse thrust is only usable once toutching the ground
* Afterburner is draining fuel super fast (1:10 ratio)

== History ==

''Describe the history of the creation and combat usage of the aircraft in more detail than in the introduction. If the historical reference turns out to be too long, take it to a separate article, taking a link to the article about the vehicle and adding a block "/History" (example: <nowiki>https://wiki.warthunder.com/(Vehicle-name)/History</nowiki>) and add a link to it here using the <code>main</code> template. Be sure to reference text and sources by using <code><nowiki><ref></ref></nowiki></code>, as well as adding them at the end of the article with <code><nowiki><references /></nowiki></code>. This section may also include the vehicle's dev blog entry (if applicable) and the in-game encyclopedia description (under <code><nowiki>=== In-game description ===</nowiki></code>, also if applicable).''

== Media ==

''Excellent additions to the article would be video guides, screenshots from the game, and photos.''

== See also ==

''Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:''

* ''reference to the series of the aircraft;''
* ''links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.''

== External links ==


* [https://forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/538755-aj-37/ Official data sheet - more details about the performance]

{{AirManufacturer Saab}}
{{Sweden jet aircraft}}

AJ37

2022-01-05T18:01:38Z

U11671543: /* Pros and cons */

{{About
| about = Swedish strike aircraft '''{{PAGENAME}}'''
| usage = other versions
| link = SAAB 37 Viggen (Family)
}}
{{Specs-Card
|code=saab_aj37
|images={{Specs-Card-Image|GarageImage_{{PAGENAME}}.jpg}}
}}

== Description ==

The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a rank {{Specs|rank}} Swedish strike aircraft {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update "Ground Breaking"]].

== General info ==
=== Flight performance ===
{{Specs-Avia-Flight}}

''Describe how the aircraft behaves in the air. Speed, manoeuvrability, acceleration and allowable loads - these are the most important characteristics of the vehicle.''

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="70%"
! rowspan="2" | Characteristics
! colspan="2" | Max Speed (km/h at 9,000 m)
! rowspan="2" | Max altitude (metres)
! colspan="2" | Turn time (seconds)
! colspan="2" | Rate of climb (metres/second)
! rowspan="2" | Take-off run (metres)
|-
! AB !! RB !! AB !! RB !! AB !! RB
|-
! Stock
| 1,869 || 1,825 || rowspan="2" | {{Specs|ceiling}} || 26.2 || 26.3 || 157.1 || 145.8 || rowspan="2" | 900
|-
! Upgraded
| ___ || ___ || __._ || __._ || __._ || __._
|-
|}

==== Details ====
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="50%"
|-
! colspan="6" | Features
|-
! Combat flaps !! Take-off flaps !! Landing flaps !! Air brakes !! Arrestor gear !! Drogue chute
|-
| X || X || ✓ || ✓ || X || X 
|-
|}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="50%"
|-
! colspan="7" | Limits
|-
! rowspan="2" | Wings (km/h)
! rowspan="2" | Gear (km/h)
! colspan="3" | Flaps (km/h)
! colspan="2" | Max Static G
|-
! Combat !! Take-off !! Landing !! + !! -
|-
| {{Specs|destruction|body}} || {{Specs|destruction|gear}} || N/A || N/A || 400 || ~12 || ~4
|-
|}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="4" | Optimal velocities (km/h)
|-
! Ailerons !! Rudder !! Elevators !! Radiator
|-
| < 865 || < 700 || < 520 || N/A
|-
|}

==== Engine performance ====
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="3" | Engine
! colspan="6" | Aircraft mass
|-
! colspan="2" | Engine name || Number
! colspan="3" | {{Annotation|Basic mass|Mass of the aircraft with pilot and engine oil, but no fuel or weapons load}} || colspan="3" | Wing loading (full fuel)
|-
| colspan="2" | Svenska Flygmotor RM8A || 1
| colspan="3" | 11,015 kg || colspan="3" | 309 kg/m2
|-
! colspan="3" | Engine characteristics
! colspan="5" | Mass with fuel (no weapons load) || rowspan="2" | Max Takeoff Weight
|-
! Weight (each) || colspan="2" | Type
! 15m fuel || 20m fuel || 30m fuel || 45m fuel || 51m fuel
|-
| 2,350 kg || colspan="2" | Afterburning low-bypass turbofan
| 12,341 kg || 12,727 kg || 13,583 kg || 14,867 kg || 15,435 kg || 19,000 kg
|-
! colspan="3" | {{Annotation|Maximum engine thrust @ 0 m (RB/SB)|The maximum thrust produced by each engine, while mounted in the aircraft. NOTE: Thrust varies significantly depending on speed & altitude.}}
! colspan="6" | Thrust to weight ratio @ 0 m (WEP)
|-
! Condition || 100% || WEP
! 15m fuel || 20m fuel || 30m fuel || 45m fuel || 51m fuel || MTOW
|-
| ''Stationary'' || 6,386 kgf || 10,520 kgf
| 0.85 || 0.83 || 0.77 || 0.71 || 0.68 || 0.55
|-
| ''Optimal'' || 6,386 kgf (0 km/h) || 15,255 kgf (1,250 km/h)
| 1.24 || 1.20 || 1.12 || 1.03 || 0.99 || 0.80
|-
|}

=== Survivability and armour ===
{{Specs-Avia-Armour}}

''Examine the survivability of the aircraft. Note how vulnerable the structure is and how secure the pilot is, whether the fuel tanks are armoured, etc. Describe the armour, if there is any, and also mention the vulnerability of other critical aircraft systems.''

=== Modifications and economy ===
{{Specs-Economy}}

== Armaments ==
{{Specs-Avia-Armaments}}
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="4" | [[Ballistic Computer]]
|-
! CCIP (Guns) !! CCIP (Rockets) !! CCIP (Bombs) !! CCRP (Bombs)
|-
| {{Tick}} || {{Tick}} || {{Tick}} || {{Cross}}
|-
|}
=== Suspended armament ===
{{Specs-Avia-Suspended}}

{{main|m/71 (120 kg)|psrak m/70|Akan m/55 (30 mm)}}
{{main|RB24|RB24J|RB 75|Rb05A}}

The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' can be outfitted with the following ordnance:

* 2 x 30 mm Akan m/55 cannons (150 rpg = 300 total)
* 24 x psrak m/70 rockets
* 12 x psrak m/70 rockets + 48 x countermeasures
* 2 x Rb05A missiles
* 2 x Rb05A missiles + 48 x countermeasures
* 2 x RB 75 missiles
* 2 x RB 75 missiles + 48 x countermeasures
* 2 x RB24 missiles
* 2 x RB24 missiles + 48 x countermeasures
* 2 x RB24J missiles
* 2 x RB24J missiles + 48 x countermeasures
* 16 x 120 kg m/71 bombs (1,920 kg total)
* 8 x 120 kg m/71 bombs + 48 x countermeasures (960 kg total)
* 2 x 30 mm Akan m/55 cannons + 2 x Rb05A missiles
* 2 x 30 mm Akan m/55 cannons + 2 x RB 75 missiles
* 2 x 30 mm Akan m/55 cannons + 12 x psrak m/70 rockets
* 2 x 30 mm Akan m/55 cannons + 2 x RB24J missiles
* 2 x 30 mm Akan m/55 cannons + 2 x RB24 missiles

== Usage in battles ==

''Describe the tactics of playing in the aircraft, the features of using aircraft in a team and advice on tactics. Refrain from creating a "guide" - do not impose a single point of view, but instead, give the reader food for thought. Examine the most dangerous enemies and give recommendations on fighting them. If necessary, note the specifics of the game in different modes (AB, RB, SB).''

=== Pros and cons ===


'''Pros:'''

* Excellent top speed at sea-Level
* Access to Maverick air-to-ground missiles (RB 75)

'''Cons:'''

* CAS options available do not allow bringing more than one type of missile, rocket, or bomb
* Bleeds energy quickly with tight turns
* Countermeasures restrict maximum allowed suspended armaments
* Guaranded loss of credits when not fully researched
* Small bombs for strike aircraft
* Gunpods with extremly limited firerate forcing to aim very precisly
* Access to AIM-9J that for Rank VII plane are not comperable to other planes

== History ==

''Describe the history of the creation and combat usage of the aircraft in more detail than in the introduction. If the historical reference turns out to be too long, take it to a separate article, taking a link to the article about the vehicle and adding a block "/History" (example: <nowiki>https://wiki.warthunder.com/(Vehicle-name)/History</nowiki>) and add a link to it here using the <code>main</code> template. Be sure to reference text and sources by using <code><nowiki><ref></ref></nowiki></code>, as well as adding them at the end of the article with <code><nowiki><references /></nowiki></code>. This section may also include the vehicle's dev blog entry (if applicable) and the in-game encyclopedia description (under <code><nowiki>=== In-game description ===</nowiki></code>, also if applicable).''

== Media ==

''Excellent additions to the article would be video guides, screenshots from the game, and photos.''

== See also ==

''Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:''

* ''reference to the series of the aircraft;''
* ''links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.''

== External links ==


* [https://forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/538755-aj-37/ Official data sheet - more details about the performance]

{{AirManufacturer Saab}}
{{Sweden jet aircraft}}

User talk:U11671543

2022-01-04T17:03:20Z

U11671543:

Found moderators editing info abaut planes and tanks to misleading ones or missspecified in game variant

User talk:U11671543

2022-01-04T17:01:54Z

U11671543: Created page with "Hello may i get to know whye you delited updated info abaut virgen?"

Hello
may i get to know whye you delited updated info abaut virgen?

AJ37

2022-01-04T12:47:23Z

U11671543: /* Media */

{{About
| about = Swedish strike aircraft '''{{PAGENAME}}'''
| usage = other versions
| link = SAAB 37 Viggen (Family)
}}
{{Specs-Card
|code=saab_aj37
|images={{Specs-Card-Image|GarageImage_{{PAGENAME}}.jpg}}
}}

== Description ==

The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a rank {{Specs|rank}} Swedish strike aircraft {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update "Ground Breaking"]].

== General info ==
=== Flight performance ===
{{Specs-Avia-Flight}}

''Describe how the aircraft behaves in the air. Speed, manoeuvrability, acceleration and allowable loads - these are the most important characteristics of the vehicle.''

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="70%"
! rowspan="2" | Characteristics
! colspan="2" | Max Speed (km/h at 9,000 m)
! rowspan="2" | Max altitude (metres)
! colspan="2" | Turn time (seconds)
! colspan="2" | Rate of climb (metres/second)
! rowspan="2" | Take-off run (metres)
|-
! AB !! RB !! AB !! RB !! AB !! RB
|-
! Stock
| 1,869 || 1,825 || rowspan="2" | {{Specs|ceiling}} || 26.2 || 26.3 || 157.1 || 145.8 || rowspan="2" | 900
|-
! Upgraded
| ___ || ___ || __._ || __._ || __._ || __._
|-
|}

==== Details ====
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="50%"
|-
! colspan="6" | Features
|-
! Combat flaps !! Take-off flaps !! Landing flaps !! Air brakes !! Arrestor gear !! Drogue chute
|-
| X || X || ✓ || ✓ || X || X 
|-
|}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="50%"
|-
! colspan="7" | Limits
|-
! rowspan="2" | Wings (km/h)
! rowspan="2" | Gear (km/h)
! colspan="3" | Flaps (km/h)
! colspan="2" | Max Static G
|-
! Combat !! Take-off !! Landing !! + !! -
|-
| {{Specs|destruction|body}} || {{Specs|destruction|gear}} || N/A || N/A || 400 || ~12 || ~4
|-
|}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="4" | Optimal velocities (km/h)
|-
! Ailerons !! Rudder !! Elevators !! Radiator
|-
| < 865 || < 700 || < 520 || N/A
|-
|}

==== Engine performance ====
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="3" | Engine
! colspan="6" | Aircraft mass
|-
! colspan="2" | Engine name || Number
! colspan="3" | {{Annotation|Basic mass|Mass of the aircraft with pilot and engine oil, but no fuel or weapons load}} || colspan="3" | Wing loading (full fuel)
|-
| colspan="2" | Svenska Flygmotor RM8A || 1
| colspan="3" | 11,015 kg || colspan="3" | 309 kg/m2
|-
! colspan="3" | Engine characteristics
! colspan="5" | Mass with fuel (no weapons load) || rowspan="2" | Max Takeoff Weight
|-
! Weight (each) || colspan="2" | Type
! 15m fuel || 20m fuel || 30m fuel || 45m fuel || 51m fuel
|-
| 2,350 kg || colspan="2" | Afterburning low-bypass turbofan
| 12,341 kg || 12,727 kg || 13,583 kg || 14,867 kg || 15,435 kg || 19,000 kg
|-
! colspan="3" | {{Annotation|Maximum engine thrust @ 0 m (RB/SB)|The maximum thrust produced by each engine, while mounted in the aircraft. NOTE: Thrust varies significantly depending on speed & altitude.}}
! colspan="6" | Thrust to weight ratio @ 0 m (WEP)
|-
! Condition || 100% || WEP
! 15m fuel || 20m fuel || 30m fuel || 45m fuel || 51m fuel || MTOW
|-
| ''Stationary'' || 6,386 kgf || 10,520 kgf
| 0.85 || 0.83 || 0.77 || 0.71 || 0.68 || 0.55
|-
| ''Optimal'' || 6,386 kgf (0 km/h) || 15,255 kgf (1,250 km/h)
| 1.24 || 1.20 || 1.12 || 1.03 || 0.99 || 0.80
|-
|}

=== Survivability and armour ===
{{Specs-Avia-Armour}}

''plane does not have any armor instaled''

fuel tanks in usual places wings and around engine

game has not implemented self sealing fuel tanks when on fire or automatic engine fire extinguishers

usualy its 1 single pistol round and you can go towards the ground only

=== Modifications and economy ===
{{Specs-Economy}}

== Armaments ==
{{Specs-Avia-Armaments}}
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="4" | [[Ballistic Computer]]
|-
! CCIP (Guns) !! CCIP (Rockets) !! CCIP (Bombs) !! CCRP (Bombs)
|-
| {{Tick}} || {{Tick}} || {{Tick}} || {{Cross}}
|-
|}
=== Suspended armament ===
{{Specs-Avia-Suspended}}

{{main|m/71 (120 kg)|psrak m/70|Akan m/55 (30 mm)}}
{{main|RB24|RB24J|RB 75|Rb05A}}

The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' can be outfitted with the following ordnance:

* 2 x 30 mm Akan m/55 cannons (150 rpg = 300 total)
* 24 x psrak m/70 rockets
* 12 x psrak m/70 rockets + 48 x countermeasures
* 2 x Rb05A missiles
* 2 x Rb05A missiles + 48 x countermeasures
* 2 x RB 75 missiles
* 2 x RB 75 missiles + 48 x countermeasures
* 2 x RB24 missiles
* 2 x RB24 missiles + 48 x countermeasures
* 2 x RB24J missiles
* 2 x RB24J missiles + 48 x countermeasures
* 16 x 120 kg m/71 bombs (1,920 kg total)
* 8 x 120 kg m/71 bombs + 48 x countermeasures (960 kg total)
* 2 x 30 mm Akan m/55 cannons + 2 x Rb05A missiles
* 2 x 30 mm Akan m/55 cannons + 2 x RB 75 missiles
* 2 x 30 mm Akan m/55 cannons + 12 x psrak m/70 rockets
* 2 x 30 mm Akan m/55 cannons + 2 x RB24J missiles
* 2 x 30 mm Akan m/55 cannons + 2 x RB24 missiles

== Usage in battles ==

''Describe the tactics of playing in the aircraft, the features of using aircraft in a team and advice on tactics. Refrain from creating a "guide" - do not impose a single point of view, but instead, give the reader food for thought. Examine the most dangerous enemies and give recommendations on fighting them. If necessary, note the specifics of the game in different modes (AB, RB, SB).''

=== Pros and cons ===


'''Pros:'''

* Excellent top speed at sea-Level
* Strong guns with two gunpods
* Access to AIM-9J
* Access to Maverick air-to-ground missiles (RB 75)

'''Cons:'''

* CAS options available do not allow bringing more than one type of missile, rocket, or bomb
* Bleeds energy quickly with tight turns
* Countermeasures restrict maximum allowed suspended armaments

== History ==

''Describe the history of the creation and combat usage of the aircraft in more detail than in the introduction. If the historical reference turns out to be too long, take it to a separate article, taking a link to the article about the vehicle and adding a block "/History" (example: <nowiki>https://wiki.warthunder.com/(Vehicle-name)/History</nowiki>) and add a link to it here using the <code>main</code> template. Be sure to reference text and sources by using <code><nowiki><ref></ref></nowiki></code>, as well as adding them at the end of the article with <code><nowiki><references /></nowiki></code>. This section may also include the vehicle's dev blog entry (if applicable) and the in-game encyclopedia description (under <code><nowiki>=== In-game description ===</nowiki></code>, also if applicable).''

== Media ==

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/01/Gas_turbine_efficiency.png

despite that engine uses lots of fuel per thrust unit

== See also ==

''Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:''

* ''reference to the series of the aircraft;''
* ''links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.''

== External links ==


* [https://forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/538755-aj-37/ Official data sheet - more details about the performance]

{{AirManufacturer Saab}}
{{Sweden jet aircraft}}

AJ37

2022-01-04T12:44:03Z

U11671543: /* Survivability and armour */

{{About
| about = Swedish strike aircraft '''{{PAGENAME}}'''
| usage = other versions
| link = SAAB 37 Viggen (Family)
}}
{{Specs-Card
|code=saab_aj37
|images={{Specs-Card-Image|GarageImage_{{PAGENAME}}.jpg}}
}}

== Description ==

The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a rank {{Specs|rank}} Swedish strike aircraft {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update "Ground Breaking"]].

== General info ==
=== Flight performance ===
{{Specs-Avia-Flight}}

''Describe how the aircraft behaves in the air. Speed, manoeuvrability, acceleration and allowable loads - these are the most important characteristics of the vehicle.''

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="70%"
! rowspan="2" | Characteristics
! colspan="2" | Max Speed (km/h at 9,000 m)
! rowspan="2" | Max altitude (metres)
! colspan="2" | Turn time (seconds)
! colspan="2" | Rate of climb (metres/second)
! rowspan="2" | Take-off run (metres)
|-
! AB !! RB !! AB !! RB !! AB !! RB
|-
! Stock
| 1,869 || 1,825 || rowspan="2" | {{Specs|ceiling}} || 26.2 || 26.3 || 157.1 || 145.8 || rowspan="2" | 900
|-
! Upgraded
| ___ || ___ || __._ || __._ || __._ || __._
|-
|}

==== Details ====
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="50%"
|-
! colspan="6" | Features
|-
! Combat flaps !! Take-off flaps !! Landing flaps !! Air brakes !! Arrestor gear !! Drogue chute
|-
| X || X || ✓ || ✓ || X || X 
|-
|}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="50%"
|-
! colspan="7" | Limits
|-
! rowspan="2" | Wings (km/h)
! rowspan="2" | Gear (km/h)
! colspan="3" | Flaps (km/h)
! colspan="2" | Max Static G
|-
! Combat !! Take-off !! Landing !! + !! -
|-
| {{Specs|destruction|body}} || {{Specs|destruction|gear}} || N/A || N/A || 400 || ~12 || ~4
|-
|}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="4" | Optimal velocities (km/h)
|-
! Ailerons !! Rudder !! Elevators !! Radiator
|-
| < 865 || < 700 || < 520 || N/A
|-
|}

==== Engine performance ====
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="3" | Engine
! colspan="6" | Aircraft mass
|-
! colspan="2" | Engine name || Number
! colspan="3" | {{Annotation|Basic mass|Mass of the aircraft with pilot and engine oil, but no fuel or weapons load}} || colspan="3" | Wing loading (full fuel)
|-
| colspan="2" | Svenska Flygmotor RM8A || 1
| colspan="3" | 11,015 kg || colspan="3" | 309 kg/m2
|-
! colspan="3" | Engine characteristics
! colspan="5" | Mass with fuel (no weapons load) || rowspan="2" | Max Takeoff Weight
|-
! Weight (each) || colspan="2" | Type
! 15m fuel || 20m fuel || 30m fuel || 45m fuel || 51m fuel
|-
| 2,350 kg || colspan="2" | Afterburning low-bypass turbofan
| 12,341 kg || 12,727 kg || 13,583 kg || 14,867 kg || 15,435 kg || 19,000 kg
|-
! colspan="3" | {{Annotation|Maximum engine thrust @ 0 m (RB/SB)|The maximum thrust produced by each engine, while mounted in the aircraft. NOTE: Thrust varies significantly depending on speed & altitude.}}
! colspan="6" | Thrust to weight ratio @ 0 m (WEP)
|-
! Condition || 100% || WEP
! 15m fuel || 20m fuel || 30m fuel || 45m fuel || 51m fuel || MTOW
|-
| ''Stationary'' || 6,386 kgf || 10,520 kgf
| 0.85 || 0.83 || 0.77 || 0.71 || 0.68 || 0.55
|-
| ''Optimal'' || 6,386 kgf (0 km/h) || 15,255 kgf (1,250 km/h)
| 1.24 || 1.20 || 1.12 || 1.03 || 0.99 || 0.80
|-
|}

=== Survivability and armour ===
{{Specs-Avia-Armour}}

''plane does not have any armor instaled''

fuel tanks in usual places wings and around engine

game has not implemented self sealing fuel tanks when on fire or automatic engine fire extinguishers

usualy its 1 single pistol round and you can go towards the ground only

=== Modifications and economy ===
{{Specs-Economy}}

== Armaments ==
{{Specs-Avia-Armaments}}
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="4" | [[Ballistic Computer]]
|-
! CCIP (Guns) !! CCIP (Rockets) !! CCIP (Bombs) !! CCRP (Bombs)
|-
| {{Tick}} || {{Tick}} || {{Tick}} || {{Cross}}
|-
|}
=== Suspended armament ===
{{Specs-Avia-Suspended}}

{{main|m/71 (120 kg)|psrak m/70|Akan m/55 (30 mm)}}
{{main|RB24|RB24J|RB 75|Rb05A}}

The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' can be outfitted with the following ordnance:

* 2 x 30 mm Akan m/55 cannons (150 rpg = 300 total)
* 24 x psrak m/70 rockets
* 12 x psrak m/70 rockets + 48 x countermeasures
* 2 x Rb05A missiles
* 2 x Rb05A missiles + 48 x countermeasures
* 2 x RB 75 missiles
* 2 x RB 75 missiles + 48 x countermeasures
* 2 x RB24 missiles
* 2 x RB24 missiles + 48 x countermeasures
* 2 x RB24J missiles
* 2 x RB24J missiles + 48 x countermeasures
* 16 x 120 kg m/71 bombs (1,920 kg total)
* 8 x 120 kg m/71 bombs + 48 x countermeasures (960 kg total)
* 2 x 30 mm Akan m/55 cannons + 2 x Rb05A missiles
* 2 x 30 mm Akan m/55 cannons + 2 x RB 75 missiles
* 2 x 30 mm Akan m/55 cannons + 12 x psrak m/70 rockets
* 2 x 30 mm Akan m/55 cannons + 2 x RB24J missiles
* 2 x 30 mm Akan m/55 cannons + 2 x RB24 missiles

== Usage in battles ==

''In realistic battles you pray and runn awayyyyy for as long as gaigin ont give a update for geting beter mistiles right from the start othewrise gunn spread is insane so ground attacking is no go and stock 10g 1,7-mach mistiles will be outrunn and outurned by anything on its br.''

prepare atleast 500k credits if going to grind that plane from stock as it usualy gets no xp per battle at all when its stock

you need to take looots of fuel or else will be not able to use afterburner (1s afterburing eats around 7-10 s of fuel time and because of that 50 m fuel time will be enought for 15 minutes if you going to use afterburner)

weapons firerate is nowerenear real ground atack plane so you might need more than single pass above light bunker. (not recomended plane gets poor xp for atacking ground targets aparently 56xp per battle for whole mag of bullets to ground targets will be good given stock aquarcy of the weapons)

and spread makes balistic computer usles completly so its recomended to forget it exists on that plane.

On low speed (less than 750km/h) plane roll is extreeemly poor and despite being able to turn well you might not be able to turn precise enought to get a shot at enemy planes

as general rule if you face 2 vs 1 you can already give up 2 enemies will bleed you from speed and you will die 100% of the time

also plane is equiped with thrust reverser bug gaigin made it unable to use in air only on the ground

=== Pros and cons ===


'''Pros:'''

* Excellent top speed at sea-Level
* Strong guns with two gunpods
* Access to AIM-9J
* Access to Maverick air-to-ground missiles (RB 75)

'''Cons:'''

* CAS options available do not allow bringing more than one type of missile, rocket, or bomb
* Bleeds energy quickly with tight turns
* Countermeasures restrict maximum allowed suspended armaments

== History ==

''Describe the history of the creation and combat usage of the aircraft in more detail than in the introduction. If the historical reference turns out to be too long, take it to a separate article, taking a link to the article about the vehicle and adding a block "/History" (example: <nowiki>https://wiki.warthunder.com/(Vehicle-name)/History</nowiki>) and add a link to it here using the <code>main</code> template. Be sure to reference text and sources by using <code><nowiki><ref></ref></nowiki></code>, as well as adding them at the end of the article with <code><nowiki><references /></nowiki></code>. This section may also include the vehicle's dev blog entry (if applicable) and the in-game encyclopedia description (under <code><nowiki>=== In-game description ===</nowiki></code>, also if applicable).''

== Media ==

''Excellent additions to the article would be video guides, screenshots from the game, and photos.''

== See also ==

''Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:''

* ''reference to the series of the aircraft;''
* ''links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.''

== External links ==


* [https://forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/538755-aj-37/ Official data sheet - more details about the performance]

{{AirManufacturer Saab}}
{{Sweden jet aircraft}}

AJ37

2022-01-04T12:43:40Z

U11671543: /* Survivability and armour */

{{About
| about = Swedish strike aircraft '''{{PAGENAME}}'''
| usage = other versions
| link = SAAB 37 Viggen (Family)
}}
{{Specs-Card
|code=saab_aj37
|images={{Specs-Card-Image|GarageImage_{{PAGENAME}}.jpg}}
}}

== Description ==

The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a rank {{Specs|rank}} Swedish strike aircraft {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update "Ground Breaking"]].

== General info ==
=== Flight performance ===
{{Specs-Avia-Flight}}

''Describe how the aircraft behaves in the air. Speed, manoeuvrability, acceleration and allowable loads - these are the most important characteristics of the vehicle.''

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="70%"
! rowspan="2" | Characteristics
! colspan="2" | Max Speed (km/h at 9,000 m)
! rowspan="2" | Max altitude (metres)
! colspan="2" | Turn time (seconds)
! colspan="2" | Rate of climb (metres/second)
! rowspan="2" | Take-off run (metres)
|-
! AB !! RB !! AB !! RB !! AB !! RB
|-
! Stock
| 1,869 || 1,825 || rowspan="2" | {{Specs|ceiling}} || 26.2 || 26.3 || 157.1 || 145.8 || rowspan="2" | 900
|-
! Upgraded
| ___ || ___ || __._ || __._ || __._ || __._
|-
|}

==== Details ====
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="50%"
|-
! colspan="6" | Features
|-
! Combat flaps !! Take-off flaps !! Landing flaps !! Air brakes !! Arrestor gear !! Drogue chute
|-
| X || X || ✓ || ✓ || X || X 
|-
|}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="50%"
|-
! colspan="7" | Limits
|-
! rowspan="2" | Wings (km/h)
! rowspan="2" | Gear (km/h)
! colspan="3" | Flaps (km/h)
! colspan="2" | Max Static G
|-
! Combat !! Take-off !! Landing !! + !! -
|-
| {{Specs|destruction|body}} || {{Specs|destruction|gear}} || N/A || N/A || 400 || ~12 || ~4
|-
|}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="4" | Optimal velocities (km/h)
|-
! Ailerons !! Rudder !! Elevators !! Radiator
|-
| < 865 || < 700 || < 520 || N/A
|-
|}

==== Engine performance ====
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="3" | Engine
! colspan="6" | Aircraft mass
|-
! colspan="2" | Engine name || Number
! colspan="3" | {{Annotation|Basic mass|Mass of the aircraft with pilot and engine oil, but no fuel or weapons load}} || colspan="3" | Wing loading (full fuel)
|-
| colspan="2" | Svenska Flygmotor RM8A || 1
| colspan="3" | 11,015 kg || colspan="3" | 309 kg/m2
|-
! colspan="3" | Engine characteristics
! colspan="5" | Mass with fuel (no weapons load) || rowspan="2" | Max Takeoff Weight
|-
! Weight (each) || colspan="2" | Type
! 15m fuel || 20m fuel || 30m fuel || 45m fuel || 51m fuel
|-
| 2,350 kg || colspan="2" | Afterburning low-bypass turbofan
| 12,341 kg || 12,727 kg || 13,583 kg || 14,867 kg || 15,435 kg || 19,000 kg
|-
! colspan="3" | {{Annotation|Maximum engine thrust @ 0 m (RB/SB)|The maximum thrust produced by each engine, while mounted in the aircraft. NOTE: Thrust varies significantly depending on speed & altitude.}}
! colspan="6" | Thrust to weight ratio @ 0 m (WEP)
|-
! Condition || 100% || WEP
! 15m fuel || 20m fuel || 30m fuel || 45m fuel || 51m fuel || MTOW
|-
| ''Stationary'' || 6,386 kgf || 10,520 kgf
| 0.85 || 0.83 || 0.77 || 0.71 || 0.68 || 0.55
|-
| ''Optimal'' || 6,386 kgf (0 km/h) || 15,255 kgf (1,250 km/h)
| 1.24 || 1.20 || 1.12 || 1.03 || 0.99 || 0.80
|-
|}

=== Survivability and armour ===
{{Specs-Avia-Armour}}

''plane does not have any armor instaled''

fuel tanks in usualy places wings and around engine

game has not implemented self sealing fuel tanks when on fire or automatic engine fire extinguishers

usualy its 1 single pistol round and you can go towards the ground only

=== Modifications and economy ===
{{Specs-Economy}}

== Armaments ==
{{Specs-Avia-Armaments}}
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="4" | [[Ballistic Computer]]
|-
! CCIP (Guns) !! CCIP (Rockets) !! CCIP (Bombs) !! CCRP (Bombs)
|-
| {{Tick}} || {{Tick}} || {{Tick}} || {{Cross}}
|-
|}
=== Suspended armament ===
{{Specs-Avia-Suspended}}

{{main|m/71 (120 kg)|psrak m/70|Akan m/55 (30 mm)}}
{{main|RB24|RB24J|RB 75|Rb05A}}

The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' can be outfitted with the following ordnance:

* 2 x 30 mm Akan m/55 cannons (150 rpg = 300 total)
* 24 x psrak m/70 rockets
* 12 x psrak m/70 rockets + 48 x countermeasures
* 2 x Rb05A missiles
* 2 x Rb05A missiles + 48 x countermeasures
* 2 x RB 75 missiles
* 2 x RB 75 missiles + 48 x countermeasures
* 2 x RB24 missiles
* 2 x RB24 missiles + 48 x countermeasures
* 2 x RB24J missiles
* 2 x RB24J missiles + 48 x countermeasures
* 16 x 120 kg m/71 bombs (1,920 kg total)
* 8 x 120 kg m/71 bombs + 48 x countermeasures (960 kg total)
* 2 x 30 mm Akan m/55 cannons + 2 x Rb05A missiles
* 2 x 30 mm Akan m/55 cannons + 2 x RB 75 missiles
* 2 x 30 mm Akan m/55 cannons + 12 x psrak m/70 rockets
* 2 x 30 mm Akan m/55 cannons + 2 x RB24J missiles
* 2 x 30 mm Akan m/55 cannons + 2 x RB24 missiles

== Usage in battles ==

''In realistic battles you pray and runn awayyyyy for as long as gaigin ont give a update for geting beter mistiles right from the start othewrise gunn spread is insane so ground attacking is no go and stock 10g 1,7-mach mistiles will be outrunn and outurned by anything on its br.''

prepare atleast 500k credits if going to grind that plane from stock as it usualy gets no xp per battle at all when its stock

you need to take looots of fuel or else will be not able to use afterburner (1s afterburing eats around 7-10 s of fuel time and because of that 50 m fuel time will be enought for 15 minutes if you going to use afterburner)

weapons firerate is nowerenear real ground atack plane so you might need more than single pass above light bunker. (not recomended plane gets poor xp for atacking ground targets aparently 56xp per battle for whole mag of bullets to ground targets will be good given stock aquarcy of the weapons)

and spread makes balistic computer usles completly so its recomended to forget it exists on that plane.

On low speed (less than 750km/h) plane roll is extreeemly poor and despite being able to turn well you might not be able to turn precise enought to get a shot at enemy planes

as general rule if you face 2 vs 1 you can already give up 2 enemies will bleed you from speed and you will die 100% of the time

also plane is equiped with thrust reverser bug gaigin made it unable to use in air only on the ground

=== Pros and cons ===


'''Pros:'''

* Excellent top speed at sea-Level
* Strong guns with two gunpods
* Access to AIM-9J
* Access to Maverick air-to-ground missiles (RB 75)

'''Cons:'''

* CAS options available do not allow bringing more than one type of missile, rocket, or bomb
* Bleeds energy quickly with tight turns
* Countermeasures restrict maximum allowed suspended armaments

== History ==

''Describe the history of the creation and combat usage of the aircraft in more detail than in the introduction. If the historical reference turns out to be too long, take it to a separate article, taking a link to the article about the vehicle and adding a block "/History" (example: <nowiki>https://wiki.warthunder.com/(Vehicle-name)/History</nowiki>) and add a link to it here using the <code>main</code> template. Be sure to reference text and sources by using <code><nowiki><ref></ref></nowiki></code>, as well as adding them at the end of the article with <code><nowiki><references /></nowiki></code>. This section may also include the vehicle's dev blog entry (if applicable) and the in-game encyclopedia description (under <code><nowiki>=== In-game description ===</nowiki></code>, also if applicable).''

== Media ==

''Excellent additions to the article would be video guides, screenshots from the game, and photos.''

== See also ==

''Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:''

* ''reference to the series of the aircraft;''
* ''links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.''

== External links ==


* [https://forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/538755-aj-37/ Official data sheet - more details about the performance]

{{AirManufacturer Saab}}
{{Sweden jet aircraft}}

AJ37

2022-01-04T12:37:07Z

U11671543: /* Usage in battles */

{{About
| about = Swedish strike aircraft '''{{PAGENAME}}'''
| usage = other versions
| link = SAAB 37 Viggen (Family)
}}
{{Specs-Card
|code=saab_aj37
|images={{Specs-Card-Image|GarageImage_{{PAGENAME}}.jpg}}
}}

== Description ==

The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a rank {{Specs|rank}} Swedish strike aircraft {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update "Ground Breaking"]].

== General info ==
=== Flight performance ===
{{Specs-Avia-Flight}}

''Describe how the aircraft behaves in the air. Speed, manoeuvrability, acceleration and allowable loads - these are the most important characteristics of the vehicle.''

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="70%"
! rowspan="2" | Characteristics
! colspan="2" | Max Speed (km/h at 9,000 m)
! rowspan="2" | Max altitude (metres)
! colspan="2" | Turn time (seconds)
! colspan="2" | Rate of climb (metres/second)
! rowspan="2" | Take-off run (metres)
|-
! AB !! RB !! AB !! RB !! AB !! RB
|-
! Stock
| 1,869 || 1,825 || rowspan="2" | {{Specs|ceiling}} || 26.2 || 26.3 || 157.1 || 145.8 || rowspan="2" | 900
|-
! Upgraded
| ___ || ___ || __._ || __._ || __._ || __._
|-
|}

==== Details ====
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="50%"
|-
! colspan="6" | Features
|-
! Combat flaps !! Take-off flaps !! Landing flaps !! Air brakes !! Arrestor gear !! Drogue chute
|-
| X || X || ✓ || ✓ || X || X 
|-
|}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="50%"
|-
! colspan="7" | Limits
|-
! rowspan="2" | Wings (km/h)
! rowspan="2" | Gear (km/h)
! colspan="3" | Flaps (km/h)
! colspan="2" | Max Static G
|-
! Combat !! Take-off !! Landing !! + !! -
|-
| {{Specs|destruction|body}} || {{Specs|destruction|gear}} || N/A || N/A || 400 || ~12 || ~4
|-
|}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="4" | Optimal velocities (km/h)
|-
! Ailerons !! Rudder !! Elevators !! Radiator
|-
| < 865 || < 700 || < 520 || N/A
|-
|}

==== Engine performance ====
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="3" | Engine
! colspan="6" | Aircraft mass
|-
! colspan="2" | Engine name || Number
! colspan="3" | {{Annotation|Basic mass|Mass of the aircraft with pilot and engine oil, but no fuel or weapons load}} || colspan="3" | Wing loading (full fuel)
|-
| colspan="2" | Svenska Flygmotor RM8A || 1
| colspan="3" | 11,015 kg || colspan="3" | 309 kg/m2
|-
! colspan="3" | Engine characteristics
! colspan="5" | Mass with fuel (no weapons load) || rowspan="2" | Max Takeoff Weight
|-
! Weight (each) || colspan="2" | Type
! 15m fuel || 20m fuel || 30m fuel || 45m fuel || 51m fuel
|-
| 2,350 kg || colspan="2" | Afterburning low-bypass turbofan
| 12,341 kg || 12,727 kg || 13,583 kg || 14,867 kg || 15,435 kg || 19,000 kg
|-
! colspan="3" | {{Annotation|Maximum engine thrust @ 0 m (RB/SB)|The maximum thrust produced by each engine, while mounted in the aircraft. NOTE: Thrust varies significantly depending on speed & altitude.}}
! colspan="6" | Thrust to weight ratio @ 0 m (WEP)
|-
! Condition || 100% || WEP
! 15m fuel || 20m fuel || 30m fuel || 45m fuel || 51m fuel || MTOW
|-
| ''Stationary'' || 6,386 kgf || 10,520 kgf
| 0.85 || 0.83 || 0.77 || 0.71 || 0.68 || 0.55
|-
| ''Optimal'' || 6,386 kgf (0 km/h) || 15,255 kgf (1,250 km/h)
| 1.24 || 1.20 || 1.12 || 1.03 || 0.99 || 0.80
|-
|}

=== Survivability and armour ===
{{Specs-Avia-Armour}}

''Examine the survivability of the aircraft. Note how vulnerable the structure is and how secure the pilot is, whether the fuel tanks are armoured, etc. Describe the armour, if there is any, and also mention the vulnerability of other critical aircraft systems.''

=== Modifications and economy ===
{{Specs-Economy}}

== Armaments ==
{{Specs-Avia-Armaments}}
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="4" | [[Ballistic Computer]]
|-
! CCIP (Guns) !! CCIP (Rockets) !! CCIP (Bombs) !! CCRP (Bombs)
|-
| {{Tick}} || {{Tick}} || {{Tick}} || {{Cross}}
|-
|}
=== Suspended armament ===
{{Specs-Avia-Suspended}}

{{main|m/71 (120 kg)|psrak m/70|Akan m/55 (30 mm)}}
{{main|RB24|RB24J|RB 75|Rb05A}}

The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' can be outfitted with the following ordnance:

* 2 x 30 mm Akan m/55 cannons (150 rpg = 300 total)
* 24 x psrak m/70 rockets
* 12 x psrak m/70 rockets + 48 x countermeasures
* 2 x Rb05A missiles
* 2 x Rb05A missiles + 48 x countermeasures
* 2 x RB 75 missiles
* 2 x RB 75 missiles + 48 x countermeasures
* 2 x RB24 missiles
* 2 x RB24 missiles + 48 x countermeasures
* 2 x RB24J missiles
* 2 x RB24J missiles + 48 x countermeasures
* 16 x 120 kg m/71 bombs (1,920 kg total)
* 8 x 120 kg m/71 bombs + 48 x countermeasures (960 kg total)
* 2 x 30 mm Akan m/55 cannons + 2 x Rb05A missiles
* 2 x 30 mm Akan m/55 cannons + 2 x RB 75 missiles
* 2 x 30 mm Akan m/55 cannons + 12 x psrak m/70 rockets
* 2 x 30 mm Akan m/55 cannons + 2 x RB24J missiles
* 2 x 30 mm Akan m/55 cannons + 2 x RB24 missiles

== Usage in battles ==

''In realistic battles you pray and runn awayyyyy for as long as gaigin ont give a update for geting beter mistiles right from the start othewrise gunn spread is insane so ground attacking is no go and stock 10g 1,7-mach mistiles will be outrunn and outurned by anything on its br.''

prepare atleast 500k credits if going to grind that plane from stock as it usualy gets no xp per battle at all when its stock

you need to take looots of fuel or else will be not able to use afterburner (1s afterburing eats around 7-10 s of fuel time and because of that 50 m fuel time will be enought for 15 minutes if you going to use afterburner)

weapons firerate is nowerenear real ground atack plane so you might need more than single pass above light bunker. (not recomended plane gets poor xp for atacking ground targets aparently 56xp per battle for whole mag of bullets to ground targets will be good given stock aquarcy of the weapons)

and spread makes balistic computer usles completly so its recomended to forget it exists on that plane.

On low speed (less than 750km/h) plane roll is extreeemly poor and despite being able to turn well you might not be able to turn precise enought to get a shot at enemy planes

as general rule if you face 2 vs 1 you can already give up 2 enemies will bleed you from speed and you will die 100% of the time

also plane is equiped with thrust reverser bug gaigin made it unable to use in air only on the ground

=== Pros and cons ===


'''Pros:'''

* Excellent top speed at sea-Level
* Strong guns with two gunpods
* Access to AIM-9J
* Access to Maverick air-to-ground missiles (RB 75)

'''Cons:'''

* CAS options available do not allow bringing more than one type of missile, rocket, or bomb
* Bleeds energy quickly with tight turns
* Countermeasures restrict maximum allowed suspended armaments

== History ==

''Describe the history of the creation and combat usage of the aircraft in more detail than in the introduction. If the historical reference turns out to be too long, take it to a separate article, taking a link to the article about the vehicle and adding a block "/History" (example: <nowiki>https://wiki.warthunder.com/(Vehicle-name)/History</nowiki>) and add a link to it here using the <code>main</code> template. Be sure to reference text and sources by using <code><nowiki><ref></ref></nowiki></code>, as well as adding them at the end of the article with <code><nowiki><references /></nowiki></code>. This section may also include the vehicle's dev blog entry (if applicable) and the in-game encyclopedia description (under <code><nowiki>=== In-game description ===</nowiki></code>, also if applicable).''

== Media ==

''Excellent additions to the article would be video guides, screenshots from the game, and photos.''

== See also ==

''Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:''

* ''reference to the series of the aircraft;''
* ''links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.''

== External links ==


* [https://forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/538755-aj-37/ Official data sheet - more details about the performance]

{{AirManufacturer Saab}}
{{Sweden jet aircraft}}

AJ37

2022-01-04T12:35:49Z

U11671543: /* Usage in battles */

{{About
| about = Swedish strike aircraft '''{{PAGENAME}}'''
| usage = other versions
| link = SAAB 37 Viggen (Family)
}}
{{Specs-Card
|code=saab_aj37
|images={{Specs-Card-Image|GarageImage_{{PAGENAME}}.jpg}}
}}

== Description ==

The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a rank {{Specs|rank}} Swedish strike aircraft {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update "Ground Breaking"]].

== General info ==
=== Flight performance ===
{{Specs-Avia-Flight}}

''Describe how the aircraft behaves in the air. Speed, manoeuvrability, acceleration and allowable loads - these are the most important characteristics of the vehicle.''

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="70%"
! rowspan="2" | Characteristics
! colspan="2" | Max Speed (km/h at 9,000 m)
! rowspan="2" | Max altitude (metres)
! colspan="2" | Turn time (seconds)
! colspan="2" | Rate of climb (metres/second)
! rowspan="2" | Take-off run (metres)
|-
! AB !! RB !! AB !! RB !! AB !! RB
|-
! Stock
| 1,869 || 1,825 || rowspan="2" | {{Specs|ceiling}} || 26.2 || 26.3 || 157.1 || 145.8 || rowspan="2" | 900
|-
! Upgraded
| ___ || ___ || __._ || __._ || __._ || __._
|-
|}

==== Details ====
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="50%"
|-
! colspan="6" | Features
|-
! Combat flaps !! Take-off flaps !! Landing flaps !! Air brakes !! Arrestor gear !! Drogue chute
|-
| X || X || ✓ || ✓ || X || X 
|-
|}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="50%"
|-
! colspan="7" | Limits
|-
! rowspan="2" | Wings (km/h)
! rowspan="2" | Gear (km/h)
! colspan="3" | Flaps (km/h)
! colspan="2" | Max Static G
|-
! Combat !! Take-off !! Landing !! + !! -
|-
| {{Specs|destruction|body}} || {{Specs|destruction|gear}} || N/A || N/A || 400 || ~12 || ~4
|-
|}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="4" | Optimal velocities (km/h)
|-
! Ailerons !! Rudder !! Elevators !! Radiator
|-
| < 865 || < 700 || < 520 || N/A
|-
|}

==== Engine performance ====
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="3" | Engine
! colspan="6" | Aircraft mass
|-
! colspan="2" | Engine name || Number
! colspan="3" | {{Annotation|Basic mass|Mass of the aircraft with pilot and engine oil, but no fuel or weapons load}} || colspan="3" | Wing loading (full fuel)
|-
| colspan="2" | Svenska Flygmotor RM8A || 1
| colspan="3" | 11,015 kg || colspan="3" | 309 kg/m2
|-
! colspan="3" | Engine characteristics
! colspan="5" | Mass with fuel (no weapons load) || rowspan="2" | Max Takeoff Weight
|-
! Weight (each) || colspan="2" | Type
! 15m fuel || 20m fuel || 30m fuel || 45m fuel || 51m fuel
|-
| 2,350 kg || colspan="2" | Afterburning low-bypass turbofan
| 12,341 kg || 12,727 kg || 13,583 kg || 14,867 kg || 15,435 kg || 19,000 kg
|-
! colspan="3" | {{Annotation|Maximum engine thrust @ 0 m (RB/SB)|The maximum thrust produced by each engine, while mounted in the aircraft. NOTE: Thrust varies significantly depending on speed & altitude.}}
! colspan="6" | Thrust to weight ratio @ 0 m (WEP)
|-
! Condition || 100% || WEP
! 15m fuel || 20m fuel || 30m fuel || 45m fuel || 51m fuel || MTOW
|-
| ''Stationary'' || 6,386 kgf || 10,520 kgf
| 0.85 || 0.83 || 0.77 || 0.71 || 0.68 || 0.55
|-
| ''Optimal'' || 6,386 kgf (0 km/h) || 15,255 kgf (1,250 km/h)
| 1.24 || 1.20 || 1.12 || 1.03 || 0.99 || 0.80
|-
|}

=== Survivability and armour ===
{{Specs-Avia-Armour}}

''Examine the survivability of the aircraft. Note how vulnerable the structure is and how secure the pilot is, whether the fuel tanks are armoured, etc. Describe the armour, if there is any, and also mention the vulnerability of other critical aircraft systems.''

=== Modifications and economy ===
{{Specs-Economy}}

== Armaments ==
{{Specs-Avia-Armaments}}
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="4" | [[Ballistic Computer]]
|-
! CCIP (Guns) !! CCIP (Rockets) !! CCIP (Bombs) !! CCRP (Bombs)
|-
| {{Tick}} || {{Tick}} || {{Tick}} || {{Cross}}
|-
|}
=== Suspended armament ===
{{Specs-Avia-Suspended}}

{{main|m/71 (120 kg)|psrak m/70|Akan m/55 (30 mm)}}
{{main|RB24|RB24J|RB 75|Rb05A}}

The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' can be outfitted with the following ordnance:

* 2 x 30 mm Akan m/55 cannons (150 rpg = 300 total)
* 24 x psrak m/70 rockets
* 12 x psrak m/70 rockets + 48 x countermeasures
* 2 x Rb05A missiles
* 2 x Rb05A missiles + 48 x countermeasures
* 2 x RB 75 missiles
* 2 x RB 75 missiles + 48 x countermeasures
* 2 x RB24 missiles
* 2 x RB24 missiles + 48 x countermeasures
* 2 x RB24J missiles
* 2 x RB24J missiles + 48 x countermeasures
* 16 x 120 kg m/71 bombs (1,920 kg total)
* 8 x 120 kg m/71 bombs + 48 x countermeasures (960 kg total)
* 2 x 30 mm Akan m/55 cannons + 2 x Rb05A missiles
* 2 x 30 mm Akan m/55 cannons + 2 x RB 75 missiles
* 2 x 30 mm Akan m/55 cannons + 12 x psrak m/70 rockets
* 2 x 30 mm Akan m/55 cannons + 2 x RB24J missiles
* 2 x 30 mm Akan m/55 cannons + 2 x RB24 missiles

== Usage in battles ==

''In realistic battles you pray and runn awayyyyy for as long as gaigin ont give a update for geting beter mistiles right from the start othewrise gunn spread is insane so ground attacking is no go and stock 10g 1,7-mach mistiles will be outrunn and outurned by anything on its br.''

prepare atleast 500k credits if going to grind that plane from stock as it usualy gets no xp per battle at all when its stock

you need to take looots of fuel or else will be not able to use afterburner (1s afterburing eats around 7-10 s of fuel time and because of that 50 m fuel time will be enought for 15 minutes if you going to use afterburner)

weapons firerate is nowerenear real ground atack plane so you might need more than single pass above light bunker. (not recomended plane gets poor xp for atacking ground targets aparently 56xp per battle for whole mag of bullets to ground targets will be good given stock aquarcy of the weapons)

and spread makes balistic computer usles completly so its recomended to forget it exists on that plane.

On low speed (less than 750km/h) plane roll is extreeemly poor and despite being able to turn well you might not be able to turn precise enought to get a shot at enemy planes

=== Pros and cons ===


'''Pros:'''

* Excellent top speed at sea-Level
* Strong guns with two gunpods
* Access to AIM-9J
* Access to Maverick air-to-ground missiles (RB 75)

'''Cons:'''

* CAS options available do not allow bringing more than one type of missile, rocket, or bomb
* Bleeds energy quickly with tight turns
* Countermeasures restrict maximum allowed suspended armaments

== History ==

''Describe the history of the creation and combat usage of the aircraft in more detail than in the introduction. If the historical reference turns out to be too long, take it to a separate article, taking a link to the article about the vehicle and adding a block "/History" (example: <nowiki>https://wiki.warthunder.com/(Vehicle-name)/History</nowiki>) and add a link to it here using the <code>main</code> template. Be sure to reference text and sources by using <code><nowiki><ref></ref></nowiki></code>, as well as adding them at the end of the article with <code><nowiki><references /></nowiki></code>. This section may also include the vehicle's dev blog entry (if applicable) and the in-game encyclopedia description (under <code><nowiki>=== In-game description ===</nowiki></code>, also if applicable).''

== Media ==

''Excellent additions to the article would be video guides, screenshots from the game, and photos.''

== See also ==

''Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:''

* ''reference to the series of the aircraft;''
* ''links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.''

== External links ==


* [https://forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/538755-aj-37/ Official data sheet - more details about the performance]

{{AirManufacturer Saab}}
{{Sweden jet aircraft}}

S.O.4050 Vautour IIB

2021-08-09T18:25:23Z

U11671543: /* Pros and cons */

{{About
| about = French jet bomber '''{{PAGENAME}}'''
| and
| usage = other versions
| link-1 = S.O.4050 Vautour IIA
| link-2 = Vautour IIA IDF/AF (France)
}}
{{Specs-Card
|code=so_4050_vautour_2b
|images={{Specs-Card-Image|GarageImage_{{PAGENAME}}.jpg}}
}}

== Description ==

The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a rank {{Specs|rank}} French jet bomber {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update 1.73 "Vive la France"]].

== General info ==
=== Flight performance ===
{{Specs-Avia-Flight}}


{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="70%"
! rowspan="2" | Characteristics
! colspan="2" | Max Speed (km/h at 0 m - sea level)
! rowspan="2" | Max altitude (metres)
! colspan="2" | Turn time (seconds)
! colspan="2" | Rate of climb (metres/second)
! rowspan="2" | Take-off run (metres)
|-
! AB !! RB !! AB !! RB !! AB !! RB
|-
! Stock
| 1,102 || 1,098 || rowspan="2" | {{Specs|ceiling}} || 32.6 || 33.2 || 43.5 || 39.6 || rowspan="2" | 900
|-
! Upgraded
| 1,113 || 1,107 || 31.5 || 32.0 || 68.2 || 55.0
|-
|}

==== Details ====
[[File:Vautour IIB Fuel Tanks.png|thumb|300x300px|Vautour IIB's self-sealing fuel tanks (fuel tanks are coloured in red)]]
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="50%"
|-
! colspan="6" | Features
|-
! Combat flaps !! Take-off flaps !! Landing flaps !! Air brakes !! Arrestor gear !! Drogue chute
|-
| ✓ || ✓ || ✓ || ✓ || X || ✓ 
|-
|}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="50%"
|-
! colspan="7" | Limits
|-
! rowspan="2" | Wings (km/h)
! rowspan="2" | Gear (km/h)
! colspan="3" | Flaps (km/h)
! colspan="2" | Max Static G
|-
! Combat !! Take-off !! Landing !! + !! -
|-
| {{Specs|destruction|body}} || {{Specs|destruction|gear}} || 584 || 564 || 463 || ~7 || ~3
|-
|}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="4" | Optimal velocities (km/h)
|-
! Ailerons !! Rudder !! Elevators !! Radiator
|-
| < 480 || < 620 || < 590 || N/A
|-
|}

==== Engine performance ====
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="3" | Engine
! colspan="4" | Aircraft mass
|-
! colspan="2" | Engine name || Number
! colspan="2" | Empty mass || colspan="2" | Wing loading (full fuel)
|-
| colspan="2" | SNECMA Atar 101E5 || 2
| colspan="2" | 11,500 kg || colspan="2" | 327 kg/m2
|-
! colspan="3" | Engine characteristics
! colspan="3" | Mass with fuel (no weapons load) || rowspan="2" | Max Takeoff Weight
|-
! Weight (each) || colspan="2" | Type
! 8m fuel || 20m fuel || 26m fuel
|-
| 950 kg || colspan="2" | Axial-flow turbojet
| 12,510 kg || 13,979 kg || 14,713 kg || 21,000 kg
|-
! colspan="3" | {{Annotation|Maximum engine thrust @ 0 m (RB / SB)|The maximum thrust produced by each engine, while mounted in the aircraft. NOTE: Thrust varies significantly depending on speed & altitude.}}
! colspan="4" | Thrust to weight ratio @ 0 m (110%)
|-
! Condition || 100% || 110%
! 8m fuel || 20m fuel || 26m fuel || MTOW
|-
| ''Stationary'' || 3,322 kgf || 3,787 kgf
| 0.60 || 0.54 || 0.51 || 0.36
|-
| ''Optimal'' || 3,627 kgf (1,100 km/h) || 4,135 kgf (1,100 km/h)
| 0.66 || 0.59 || 0.56 || 0.39
|-
|}
[[File:Armor plates Vautour IIb.png|right|thumb|300px|Red = 50 mm Bulletproof glassYellow = 13.5 mm Steel plate Yellowish green = 6 mm Steel plate Green = 3 mm Steel plate Turquoise = 2 mm Steel plate]]

=== Survivability and armour ===
{{Specs-Avia-Armour}}


* 50 mm Bulletproof glass in front of the pilot.
* 13.5 mm Steel plate behind the pilot's head.
* 6 + 13.5 mm Steel plate in nose.
* 3 mm Steel shell surrounding the cockpit in the fuselage.
* 2 mm Steel plate behind the fuel cells.
* 2 mm Steel plate in the tail.

=== Modifications and economy ===
{{Specs-Economy}}

== Armaments ==
{{Specs-Avia-Armaments}}
=== Suspended armament ===
{{Specs-Avia-Suspended}}

{{main|AN-M57 (250 lb)|AN-M64A1 (500 lb)|M117 cone 45 (750 lb)|M117 cone 90 (750 lb)|AN-M65A1 Fin M129 (1,000 lb)}}

The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' can be outfitted with the following ordnance:

* 10 x 250 lb AN-M57 bombs (2,500 lb total)
* 10 x 500 lb AN-M64A1 bombs (5,000 lb total)
* 8 x 750 lb M117 cone 45 bombs + 2 x 750 lb M117 cone 90 bombs (7,500 lb total)
* 6 x 1,000 lb AN-M65A1 Fin M129 bombs (6,000 lb total)

== Usage in battles ==


There are two ways you can go about using the Vautour IIb, either dive or keep your altitude from your air spawn.

* Diving

One way of playing the Vautour IIb is diving a tactic also known as rushing into a base bombing point and bombing it. Doing this can guaranteed a chance to drop a bomb at the base if the map is small enough to reach it. Following the bombing, the plane will still have a high speed due to the dive and so it can quickly withdraw back to the base to land and reload. However; this tactic doesn't work as well on larger maps where it would take a longer time to reach a base to comb. Not to mention that doing so will sacrifice altitude and cause the Vautour to be below many enemy fighters, which the Vautour cannot defend itself due to lack of armaments. Despite being produced in 1954 plane will at all times face much more modern planes like AV-8B harrier (1981) and their mistiles, and that means once one of those new mistiles are locked on to your plane player can as well quit to hangar instantly while playing the Vautour IIB.

* Keeping your altitude

The other way of using the Vautour IIb is by keeping your altitude and climbing and then using your bombsight to bomb a base. Staying at a high altitude can prove safer as it can cause the Vautour to stay atop of many enemy fighters. However, bombing can be harder due to many more variables to keep account for when using the bomb sight. Getting up to altitude at standard speed can also make reaching the base harder, and so it would take a longer time to complete a bombing run. In some cases, more well-performing fighters like the F-100s can make this tactic moot as their speed will ensure they catch up and destroy the Vautour before it has a chance to drop its payload.

=== Pros and cons ===


'''Pros:'''

* Insane acceleration (not against new aded jaks-38 and AV-8B hariers)
* Climbs exceptionally well without ordnance
* Energy retention is great
* Airbrakes, you will need them to avoid compressing in a dive
* Possesses a bombsight
* On succcesful bomb runns can earn some silver lions.
* Bomber airspawn (often above 3,000 m)

'''Cons:'''

* Lacks the rocket payload options of the Vautour IIA
* Compresses at high speed
* Massive penalties in-flight performance when carrying full payloads
* Turns like a brick
* Roll rate is also unimpressive
* Fragile engines; a hit to an engine will make you easy prey for enemy fighters
* Relies heavily on team support even more than the Vautour IIA does
* Massive target
* No offensive armament
* 110% will easily overheat your engines after short use

== History ==


The S.O.4050 Vautour IIB was developed by Sud Aviation after World War Two to meet the demand for the French Armée de l'Air. This was a challenging task, after the German occupation in France. Many aircraft design teams have scattered. France was also new to the new jet propulsion area. The requirements issued by the French government called for a jet-powered multi-role attack aircraft that can perform as a bomber, low-level attack aircraft, and an all-weather interceptor. SNCASO met those requirements with a modified version of the S.O 4000. The new plane was designated the S.O.4050 Vautour and was manufactured in three different variants. The plane would serve in the AdA for several decades before replaced the newer Dassault Mirage. The Vautour was also one of the stop-gap measures used by the AdA as a nuclear deterrent. The Vautour would later be exported to Israel and serve with the IAF to counter Egypt's IL-28 twin-engine bomber.

The IIB, which differed from the previous IIA by adding a second crew member in a transparent nose, was a dedicated bomber variant. Its prototype first flew in December 1954. In total 40 of the IIB would be built. All were sold along with all of France's Vautour IIAs to Israel in 1960.

== Media ==


;Skins

* [https://live.warthunder.com/feed/camouflages/?vehicleCountry=france&vehicleType=aircraft&vehicleClass=bomber&vehicle=so_4050_vautour_2b Skins and camouflages for the {{PAGENAME}} from live.warthunder.com.]

;Images
<gallery mode="packed-hover">
Image:Damage Vautour IIb.png|Damaged Vautour IIb
</gallery>

;Videos
{{Youtube-gallery|5ybEEheCSXA|'''The S.O.4050 Vautour IIB Bomber''' - ''Orangefan''}}

== See also ==


;Related development

* [[S.O.4050 Vautour IIA]]
* {{Specs-Link|so_4050_vautour_2a_iaf}}

== External links ==


* [[wikipedia:Sud_Aviation_Vautour|[Wikipedia] Sud Aviation Vautour]]
* [http://www.airvectors.net/avmir4.html <nowiki>[Air Vectors]</nowiki> The Sud Ouest Vautour II & Dassault Mirage IV]
* [https://forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/385708-sud-aviation-so4050-vautour-iib/ Official data sheet - more details about the performance]

{{AirManufacturer SNCA SO}}
{{France jet aircraft}}

S.O.4050 Vautour IIB

2021-08-09T18:24:33Z

U11671543: /* Pros and cons */

{{About
| about = French jet bomber '''{{PAGENAME}}'''
| and
| usage = other versions
| link-1 = S.O.4050 Vautour IIA
| link-2 = Vautour IIA IDF/AF (France)
}}
{{Specs-Card
|code=so_4050_vautour_2b
|images={{Specs-Card-Image|GarageImage_{{PAGENAME}}.jpg}}
}}

== Description ==

The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a rank {{Specs|rank}} French jet bomber {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update 1.73 "Vive la France"]].

== General info ==
=== Flight performance ===
{{Specs-Avia-Flight}}


{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="70%"
! rowspan="2" | Characteristics
! colspan="2" | Max Speed (km/h at 0 m - sea level)
! rowspan="2" | Max altitude (metres)
! colspan="2" | Turn time (seconds)
! colspan="2" | Rate of climb (metres/second)
! rowspan="2" | Take-off run (metres)
|-
! AB !! RB !! AB !! RB !! AB !! RB
|-
! Stock
| 1,102 || 1,098 || rowspan="2" | {{Specs|ceiling}} || 32.6 || 33.2 || 43.5 || 39.6 || rowspan="2" | 900
|-
! Upgraded
| 1,113 || 1,107 || 31.5 || 32.0 || 68.2 || 55.0
|-
|}

==== Details ====
[[File:Vautour IIB Fuel Tanks.png|thumb|300x300px|Vautour IIB's self-sealing fuel tanks (fuel tanks are coloured in red)]]
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="50%"
|-
! colspan="6" | Features
|-
! Combat flaps !! Take-off flaps !! Landing flaps !! Air brakes !! Arrestor gear !! Drogue chute
|-
| ✓ || ✓ || ✓ || ✓ || X || ✓ 
|-
|}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="50%"
|-
! colspan="7" | Limits
|-
! rowspan="2" | Wings (km/h)
! rowspan="2" | Gear (km/h)
! colspan="3" | Flaps (km/h)
! colspan="2" | Max Static G
|-
! Combat !! Take-off !! Landing !! + !! -
|-
| {{Specs|destruction|body}} || {{Specs|destruction|gear}} || 584 || 564 || 463 || ~7 || ~3
|-
|}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="4" | Optimal velocities (km/h)
|-
! Ailerons !! Rudder !! Elevators !! Radiator
|-
| < 480 || < 620 || < 590 || N/A
|-
|}

==== Engine performance ====
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="3" | Engine
! colspan="4" | Aircraft mass
|-
! colspan="2" | Engine name || Number
! colspan="2" | Empty mass || colspan="2" | Wing loading (full fuel)
|-
| colspan="2" | SNECMA Atar 101E5 || 2
| colspan="2" | 11,500 kg || colspan="2" | 327 kg/m2
|-
! colspan="3" | Engine characteristics
! colspan="3" | Mass with fuel (no weapons load) || rowspan="2" | Max Takeoff Weight
|-
! Weight (each) || colspan="2" | Type
! 8m fuel || 20m fuel || 26m fuel
|-
| 950 kg || colspan="2" | Axial-flow turbojet
| 12,510 kg || 13,979 kg || 14,713 kg || 21,000 kg
|-
! colspan="3" | {{Annotation|Maximum engine thrust @ 0 m (RB / SB)|The maximum thrust produced by each engine, while mounted in the aircraft. NOTE: Thrust varies significantly depending on speed & altitude.}}
! colspan="4" | Thrust to weight ratio @ 0 m (110%)
|-
! Condition || 100% || 110%
! 8m fuel || 20m fuel || 26m fuel || MTOW
|-
| ''Stationary'' || 3,322 kgf || 3,787 kgf
| 0.60 || 0.54 || 0.51 || 0.36
|-
| ''Optimal'' || 3,627 kgf (1,100 km/h) || 4,135 kgf (1,100 km/h)
| 0.66 || 0.59 || 0.56 || 0.39
|-
|}
[[File:Armor plates Vautour IIb.png|right|thumb|300px|Red = 50 mm Bulletproof glassYellow = 13.5 mm Steel plate Yellowish green = 6 mm Steel plate Green = 3 mm Steel plate Turquoise = 2 mm Steel plate]]

=== Survivability and armour ===
{{Specs-Avia-Armour}}


* 50 mm Bulletproof glass in front of the pilot.
* 13.5 mm Steel plate behind the pilot's head.
* 6 + 13.5 mm Steel plate in nose.
* 3 mm Steel shell surrounding the cockpit in the fuselage.
* 2 mm Steel plate behind the fuel cells.
* 2 mm Steel plate in the tail.

=== Modifications and economy ===
{{Specs-Economy}}

== Armaments ==
{{Specs-Avia-Armaments}}
=== Suspended armament ===
{{Specs-Avia-Suspended}}

{{main|AN-M57 (250 lb)|AN-M64A1 (500 lb)|M117 cone 45 (750 lb)|M117 cone 90 (750 lb)|AN-M65A1 Fin M129 (1,000 lb)}}

The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' can be outfitted with the following ordnance:

* 10 x 250 lb AN-M57 bombs (2,500 lb total)
* 10 x 500 lb AN-M64A1 bombs (5,000 lb total)
* 8 x 750 lb M117 cone 45 bombs + 2 x 750 lb M117 cone 90 bombs (7,500 lb total)
* 6 x 1,000 lb AN-M65A1 Fin M129 bombs (6,000 lb total)

== Usage in battles ==


There are two ways you can go about using the Vautour IIb, either dive or keep your altitude from your air spawn.

* Diving

One way of playing the Vautour IIb is diving a tactic also known as rushing into a base bombing point and bombing it. Doing this can guaranteed a chance to drop a bomb at the base if the map is small enough to reach it. Following the bombing, the plane will still have a high speed due to the dive and so it can quickly withdraw back to the base to land and reload. However; this tactic doesn't work as well on larger maps where it would take a longer time to reach a base to comb. Not to mention that doing so will sacrifice altitude and cause the Vautour to be below many enemy fighters, which the Vautour cannot defend itself due to lack of armaments. Despite being produced in 1954 plane will at all times face much more modern planes like AV-8B harrier (1981) and their mistiles, and that means once one of those new mistiles are locked on to your plane player can as well quit to hangar instantly while playing the Vautour IIB.

* Keeping your altitude

The other way of using the Vautour IIb is by keeping your altitude and climbing and then using your bombsight to bomb a base. Staying at a high altitude can prove safer as it can cause the Vautour to stay atop of many enemy fighters. However, bombing can be harder due to many more variables to keep account for when using the bomb sight. Getting up to altitude at standard speed can also make reaching the base harder, and so it would take a longer time to complete a bombing run. In some cases, more well-performing fighters like the F-100s can make this tactic moot as their speed will ensure they catch up and destroy the Vautour before it has a chance to drop its payload.

=== Pros and cons ===


'''Pros:'''

* Insane acceleration (not against new aded jaks-38 and AV-8B hariers)
* Climbs exceptionally well without ordnance
* Energy retention is great
* Airbrakes, you will need them to avoid compressing in a dive
* Possesses a bombsight
* Guaranteed profit every game
* Bomber airspawn (often above 3,000 m)

'''Cons:'''

* Lacks the rocket payload options of the Vautour IIA
* Compresses at high speed
* Massive penalties in-flight performance when carrying full payloads
* Turns like a brick
* Roll rate is also unimpressive
* Fragile engines; a hit to an engine will make you easy prey for enemy fighters
* Relies heavily on team support even more than the Vautour IIA does
* Massive target
* No offensive armament
* 110% will easily overheat your engines after short use

== History ==


The S.O.4050 Vautour IIB was developed by Sud Aviation after World War Two to meet the demand for the French Armée de l'Air. This was a challenging task, after the German occupation in France. Many aircraft design teams have scattered. France was also new to the new jet propulsion area. The requirements issued by the French government called for a jet-powered multi-role attack aircraft that can perform as a bomber, low-level attack aircraft, and an all-weather interceptor. SNCASO met those requirements with a modified version of the S.O 4000. The new plane was designated the S.O.4050 Vautour and was manufactured in three different variants. The plane would serve in the AdA for several decades before replaced the newer Dassault Mirage. The Vautour was also one of the stop-gap measures used by the AdA as a nuclear deterrent. The Vautour would later be exported to Israel and serve with the IAF to counter Egypt's IL-28 twin-engine bomber.

The IIB, which differed from the previous IIA by adding a second crew member in a transparent nose, was a dedicated bomber variant. Its prototype first flew in December 1954. In total 40 of the IIB would be built. All were sold along with all of France's Vautour IIAs to Israel in 1960.

== Media ==


;Skins

* [https://live.warthunder.com/feed/camouflages/?vehicleCountry=france&vehicleType=aircraft&vehicleClass=bomber&vehicle=so_4050_vautour_2b Skins and camouflages for the {{PAGENAME}} from live.warthunder.com.]

;Images
<gallery mode="packed-hover">
Image:Damage Vautour IIb.png|Damaged Vautour IIb
</gallery>

;Videos
{{Youtube-gallery|5ybEEheCSXA|'''The S.O.4050 Vautour IIB Bomber''' - ''Orangefan''}}

== See also ==


;Related development

* [[S.O.4050 Vautour IIA]]
* {{Specs-Link|so_4050_vautour_2a_iaf}}

== External links ==


* [[wikipedia:Sud_Aviation_Vautour|[Wikipedia] Sud Aviation Vautour]]
* [http://www.airvectors.net/avmir4.html <nowiki>[Air Vectors]</nowiki> The Sud Ouest Vautour II & Dassault Mirage IV]
* [https://forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/385708-sud-aviation-so4050-vautour-iib/ Official data sheet - more details about the performance]

{{AirManufacturer SNCA SO}}
{{France jet aircraft}}

S.O.4050 Vautour IIB

2021-08-09T18:23:35Z

U11671543: /* Usage in battles */

{{About
| about = French jet bomber '''{{PAGENAME}}'''
| and
| usage = other versions
| link-1 = S.O.4050 Vautour IIA
| link-2 = Vautour IIA IDF/AF (France)
}}
{{Specs-Card
|code=so_4050_vautour_2b
|images={{Specs-Card-Image|GarageImage_{{PAGENAME}}.jpg}}
}}

== Description ==

The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a rank {{Specs|rank}} French jet bomber {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update 1.73 "Vive la France"]].

== General info ==
=== Flight performance ===
{{Specs-Avia-Flight}}


{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="70%"
! rowspan="2" | Characteristics
! colspan="2" | Max Speed (km/h at 0 m - sea level)
! rowspan="2" | Max altitude (metres)
! colspan="2" | Turn time (seconds)
! colspan="2" | Rate of climb (metres/second)
! rowspan="2" | Take-off run (metres)
|-
! AB !! RB !! AB !! RB !! AB !! RB
|-
! Stock
| 1,102 || 1,098 || rowspan="2" | {{Specs|ceiling}} || 32.6 || 33.2 || 43.5 || 39.6 || rowspan="2" | 900
|-
! Upgraded
| 1,113 || 1,107 || 31.5 || 32.0 || 68.2 || 55.0
|-
|}

==== Details ====
[[File:Vautour IIB Fuel Tanks.png|thumb|300x300px|Vautour IIB's self-sealing fuel tanks (fuel tanks are coloured in red)]]
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="50%"
|-
! colspan="6" | Features
|-
! Combat flaps !! Take-off flaps !! Landing flaps !! Air brakes !! Arrestor gear !! Drogue chute
|-
| ✓ || ✓ || ✓ || ✓ || X || ✓ 
|-
|}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="50%"
|-
! colspan="7" | Limits
|-
! rowspan="2" | Wings (km/h)
! rowspan="2" | Gear (km/h)
! colspan="3" | Flaps (km/h)
! colspan="2" | Max Static G
|-
! Combat !! Take-off !! Landing !! + !! -
|-
| {{Specs|destruction|body}} || {{Specs|destruction|gear}} || 584 || 564 || 463 || ~7 || ~3
|-
|}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="4" | Optimal velocities (km/h)
|-
! Ailerons !! Rudder !! Elevators !! Radiator
|-
| < 480 || < 620 || < 590 || N/A
|-
|}

==== Engine performance ====
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="3" | Engine
! colspan="4" | Aircraft mass
|-
! colspan="2" | Engine name || Number
! colspan="2" | Empty mass || colspan="2" | Wing loading (full fuel)
|-
| colspan="2" | SNECMA Atar 101E5 || 2
| colspan="2" | 11,500 kg || colspan="2" | 327 kg/m2
|-
! colspan="3" | Engine characteristics
! colspan="3" | Mass with fuel (no weapons load) || rowspan="2" | Max Takeoff Weight
|-
! Weight (each) || colspan="2" | Type
! 8m fuel || 20m fuel || 26m fuel
|-
| 950 kg || colspan="2" | Axial-flow turbojet
| 12,510 kg || 13,979 kg || 14,713 kg || 21,000 kg
|-
! colspan="3" | {{Annotation|Maximum engine thrust @ 0 m (RB / SB)|The maximum thrust produced by each engine, while mounted in the aircraft. NOTE: Thrust varies significantly depending on speed & altitude.}}
! colspan="4" | Thrust to weight ratio @ 0 m (110%)
|-
! Condition || 100% || 110%
! 8m fuel || 20m fuel || 26m fuel || MTOW
|-
| ''Stationary'' || 3,322 kgf || 3,787 kgf
| 0.60 || 0.54 || 0.51 || 0.36
|-
| ''Optimal'' || 3,627 kgf (1,100 km/h) || 4,135 kgf (1,100 km/h)
| 0.66 || 0.59 || 0.56 || 0.39
|-
|}
[[File:Armor plates Vautour IIb.png|right|thumb|300px|Red = 50 mm Bulletproof glassYellow = 13.5 mm Steel plate Yellowish green = 6 mm Steel plate Green = 3 mm Steel plate Turquoise = 2 mm Steel plate]]

=== Survivability and armour ===
{{Specs-Avia-Armour}}


* 50 mm Bulletproof glass in front of the pilot.
* 13.5 mm Steel plate behind the pilot's head.
* 6 + 13.5 mm Steel plate in nose.
* 3 mm Steel shell surrounding the cockpit in the fuselage.
* 2 mm Steel plate behind the fuel cells.
* 2 mm Steel plate in the tail.

=== Modifications and economy ===
{{Specs-Economy}}

== Armaments ==
{{Specs-Avia-Armaments}}
=== Suspended armament ===
{{Specs-Avia-Suspended}}

{{main|AN-M57 (250 lb)|AN-M64A1 (500 lb)|M117 cone 45 (750 lb)|M117 cone 90 (750 lb)|AN-M65A1 Fin M129 (1,000 lb)}}

The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' can be outfitted with the following ordnance:

* 10 x 250 lb AN-M57 bombs (2,500 lb total)
* 10 x 500 lb AN-M64A1 bombs (5,000 lb total)
* 8 x 750 lb M117 cone 45 bombs + 2 x 750 lb M117 cone 90 bombs (7,500 lb total)
* 6 x 1,000 lb AN-M65A1 Fin M129 bombs (6,000 lb total)

== Usage in battles ==


There are two ways you can go about using the Vautour IIb, either dive or keep your altitude from your air spawn.

* Diving

One way of playing the Vautour IIb is diving a tactic also known as rushing into a base bombing point and bombing it. Doing this can guaranteed a chance to drop a bomb at the base if the map is small enough to reach it. Following the bombing, the plane will still have a high speed due to the dive and so it can quickly withdraw back to the base to land and reload. However; this tactic doesn't work as well on larger maps where it would take a longer time to reach a base to comb. Not to mention that doing so will sacrifice altitude and cause the Vautour to be below many enemy fighters, which the Vautour cannot defend itself due to lack of armaments. Despite being produced in 1954 plane will at all times face much more modern planes like AV-8B harrier (1981) and their mistiles, and that means once one of those new mistiles are locked on to your plane player can as well quit to hangar instantly while playing the Vautour IIB.

* Keeping your altitude

The other way of using the Vautour IIb is by keeping your altitude and climbing and then using your bombsight to bomb a base. Staying at a high altitude can prove safer as it can cause the Vautour to stay atop of many enemy fighters. However, bombing can be harder due to many more variables to keep account for when using the bomb sight. Getting up to altitude at standard speed can also make reaching the base harder, and so it would take a longer time to complete a bombing run. In some cases, more well-performing fighters like the F-100s can make this tactic moot as their speed will ensure they catch up and destroy the Vautour before it has a chance to drop its payload.

=== Pros and cons ===


'''Pros:'''

* Insane acceleration
* Climbs exceptionally well without ordnance
* Energy retention is great
* Airbrakes, you will need them to avoid compressing in a dive
* Possesses a bombsight
* Guaranteed profit every game
* Bomber airspawn (often above 3,000 m)

'''Cons:'''

* Lacks the rocket payload options of the Vautour IIA
* Compresses at high speed
* Massive penalties in-flight performance when carrying full payloads
* Turns like a brick
* Roll rate is also unimpressive
* Fragile engines; a hit to an engine will make you easy prey for enemy fighters
* Relies heavily on team support even more than the Vautour IIA does
* Massive target
* No offensive armament
* 110% will easily overheat your engines after short use

== History ==


The S.O.4050 Vautour IIB was developed by Sud Aviation after World War Two to meet the demand for the French Armée de l'Air. This was a challenging task, after the German occupation in France. Many aircraft design teams have scattered. France was also new to the new jet propulsion area. The requirements issued by the French government called for a jet-powered multi-role attack aircraft that can perform as a bomber, low-level attack aircraft, and an all-weather interceptor. SNCASO met those requirements with a modified version of the S.O 4000. The new plane was designated the S.O.4050 Vautour and was manufactured in three different variants. The plane would serve in the AdA for several decades before replaced the newer Dassault Mirage. The Vautour was also one of the stop-gap measures used by the AdA as a nuclear deterrent. The Vautour would later be exported to Israel and serve with the IAF to counter Egypt's IL-28 twin-engine bomber.

The IIB, which differed from the previous IIA by adding a second crew member in a transparent nose, was a dedicated bomber variant. Its prototype first flew in December 1954. In total 40 of the IIB would be built. All were sold along with all of France's Vautour IIAs to Israel in 1960.

== Media ==


;Skins

* [https://live.warthunder.com/feed/camouflages/?vehicleCountry=france&vehicleType=aircraft&vehicleClass=bomber&vehicle=so_4050_vautour_2b Skins and camouflages for the {{PAGENAME}} from live.warthunder.com.]

;Images
<gallery mode="packed-hover">
Image:Damage Vautour IIb.png|Damaged Vautour IIb
</gallery>

;Videos
{{Youtube-gallery|5ybEEheCSXA|'''The S.O.4050 Vautour IIB Bomber''' - ''Orangefan''}}

== See also ==


;Related development

* [[S.O.4050 Vautour IIA]]
* {{Specs-Link|so_4050_vautour_2a_iaf}}

== External links ==


* [[wikipedia:Sud_Aviation_Vautour|[Wikipedia] Sud Aviation Vautour]]
* [http://www.airvectors.net/avmir4.html <nowiki>[Air Vectors]</nowiki> The Sud Ouest Vautour II & Dassault Mirage IV]
* [https://forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/385708-sud-aviation-so4050-vautour-iib/ Official data sheet - more details about the performance]

{{AirManufacturer SNCA SO}}
{{France jet aircraft}}

F-84F (France)

2020-12-28T22:59:02Z

U11671543: /* Pros and cons */

{{Specs-Card
|code=f-84f_france
|images={{Specs-Card-Image|GarageImage_{{PAGENAME}}.jpg}}
}}

== Description ==

The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a rank {{Specs|rank}} French jet fighter {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update "Hot Tracks"]].

== General info ==
=== Flight performance ===
{{Specs-Avia-Flight}}


{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="70%"
! rowspan="2" | Characteristics
! colspan="2" | Max Speed (km/h at 0 m - sea level)
! rowspan="2" | Max altitude (metres)
! colspan="2" | Turn time (seconds)
! colspan="2" | Rate of climb (metres/second)
! rowspan="2" | Take-off run (metres)
|-
! AB !! RB !! AB !! RB !! AB !! RB
|-
! Stock
| 1,089 || 1,066 || rowspan="2" | {{Specs|ceiling}} || 29.9 || 31.2 || 31.1 || 29.2 || rowspan="2" | 3,000
|-
! Upgraded
|1,111||1,102||26.3||28.0||45.5||38.0
|-
|}

==== Details ====
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="50%"
|-
! colspan="6" | Features
|-
! Combat flaps !! Take-off flaps !! Landing flaps !! Air brakes !! Arrestor gear !! Drogue chute
|-
| ✓ || ✓ || ✓ || ✓ || X || ✓ 
|-
|}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="50%"
|-
! colspan="7" | Limits
|-
! rowspan="2" | Wings (km/h)
! rowspan="2" | Gear (km/h)
! colspan="3" | Flaps (km/h)
! colspan="2" | Max Static G
|-
! Combat !! Take-off !! Landing !! + !! -
|-
| {{Specs|destruction|body}} || {{Specs|destruction|gear}} || 550 || 550 || 420 || ~10 || ~3
|-
|}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="4" | Optimal velocities (km/h)
|-
! Ailerons !! Rudder !! Elevators !! Radiator
|-
| < 630 || < 600 || < 650 || N/A
|-
|}

==== Engine performance ====
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="3" | Engine
! colspan="4" | Aircraft mass
|-
! colspan="2" | Engine name || Number
! colspan="2" | {{Annotation|Basic Mass|Mass of the aircraft with pilot and engine oil, but no fuel or weapons load}} || colspan="2" | Wing loading (full fuel)
|-
| colspan="2" | Wright J65-W-7 || 1
| colspan="2" | 7,057 kg || colspan="2" | 192 kg/m2
|-
! colspan="3" | Engine characteristics
! colspan="3" | Mass with fuel (no weapons load) || rowspan="2" | Max Takeoff Weight
|-
! Weight (each) || colspan="2" | Type
! 9m fuel || 20m fuel || 30m fuel
|-
| 1,260 kg || colspan="2" | Axial-flow turbojet
| 7,567 kg || 8,190 kg || 8,757 kg || 8,935 kg
|-
! colspan="3" | {{Annotation|Maximum engine thrust @ 0 m (RB / SB)|The maximum thrust produced by each engine, while mounted in the aircraft. NOTE: Thrust varies significantly depending on speed & altitude.}}
! colspan="4" | Thrust to weight ratio @ 0 m (100%)
|-
! Condition || 100% || WEP
! 9m fuel || 20m fuel || 30m fuel || MTOW
|-
| ''Stationary'' || 3,470 kgf || N/A
| 0.46 || 0.42 || 0.40 || 0.39
|-
| ''Optimal'' || 3,470 kgf (0 km/h) || N/A
| 0.46 || 0.42 || 0.40 || 0.39
|-
|}

=== Survivability and armour ===
{{Specs-Avia-Armour}}


=== Modifications and economy ===
{{Specs-Economy}}

== Armaments ==
{{Specs-Avia-Armaments}}
=== Offensive armament ===
{{Specs-Avia-Offensive}}

{{main|M3 Browning (12.7 mm)}}

The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' is armed with:

* 4 x 12.7 mm M3 Browning machine guns, nose-mounted (300 rpg = 1,200 total)
* 2 x 12.7 mm M3 Browning machine guns, wing-mounted (300 rpg = 600 total)

=== Suspended armament ===
{{Specs-Avia-Suspended}}

{{main|LDGP Mk 81 (250 lb)|LDGP Mk 82 (500 lb)|LDGP Mk 83 (1,000 lb)|LDGP Mk 84 (2,000 lb)}}
{{main|FFAR Mighty Mouse|HVAR}}

The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' can be outfitted with the following ordnance:

* Without load
* 12 x HVAR rockets (inner pylons)
* 12 x HVAR rockets (outer pylons)
* 24 x HVAR rockets
* 42 x FFAR Mighty Mouse rockets
* 4 x 250 lb LDGP Mk 81 bombs (1,000 lb total)
* 4 x 500 lb LDGP Mk 82 bombs (2,000 lb total)
* 4 x 1,000 lb LDGP Mk 83 bombs (4,000 lb total)
* 2 x 2,000 lb LDGP Mk 84 bombs (4,000 lb total)

== Usage in battles ==

''Describe the tactics of playing in the aircraft, the features of using aircraft in a team and advice on tactics. Refrain from creating a "guide" - do not impose a single point of view, but instead, give the reader food for thought. Examine the most dangerous enemies and give recommendations on fighting them. If necessary, note the specifics of the game in different modes (AB, RB, SB).''

=== Pros and cons ===


'''Pros:'''

* Can carry heavy bombs
* Gets an airspawn on some maps

'''Cons:'''

* Rather slow, can be outrun by even the early jet bombers
* 12.7 mm armament does not do enough damage in the short engagement windows of jet dogfights
* Fragile, any 20+ mm calibre cannons will shred the aircraft if they hit
* Elevator locks up heavily above 800 km/h
* Loses a lot of speed on sharp turns
* Can easily lose an turn fight to Vanatours and other bombers also twinn jet fighters

== History ==

''Describe the history of the creation and combat usage of the aircraft in more detail than in the introduction. If the historical reference turns out to be too long, take it to a separate article, taking a link to the article about the vehicle and adding a block "/History" (example: <nowiki>https://wiki.warthunder.com/(Vehicle-name)/History</nowiki>) and add a link to it here using the <code>main</code> template. Be sure to reference text and sources by using <code><nowiki><ref></ref></nowiki></code>, as well as adding them at the end of the article with <code><nowiki><references /></nowiki></code>. This section may also include the vehicle's dev blog entry (if applicable) and the in-game encyclopedia description (under <code><nowiki>=== In-game description ===</nowiki></code>, also if applicable).''
=== [[wt:en/news/6990-development-f-84f-thunderstreak-en|Devblog]] ===
In the late 1940’s, the manufacturer ‘Republic’ sought to improve the performance of the F-84 in order to bring it closer in line with the F-86 Sabre. As a result, it developed a new variant of the Thunderjet, designated F-84F. The new aircraft featured, among other changes, a new swept wing and a more powerful engine than its predecessor. Although Republic initially intended the new aircraft to be an extensive modernization of the base F-84, possessing a high degree of part compatibility with preceding variants, in the end, only less than 20% of the parts were interchangeable, resulting in the F-84F Thunderstreak becoming its own independent design.

Following its maiden flight in the early 1950’s, the F-84F was ordered into production. However, the USAF focus on strategic bombers at the time resulted in some critical component manufacturing processes being prioritized for bomber production, ultimately leading to a staggered production start of the new F-84F.

The Thunderstreak officially entered service with the USAF in 1954, but was quickly phased out of active service due to engine issues before being reactivated in the early 1960’s as tensions between the two superpowers began to rise again. Ultimately, the F-84F kept flying under American colors well into the early 1970’s before finally being retired as newer aircraft replaced the Thunderstreak in active service.

The F-84F was also widely exported to NATO members. Chiefly among them were Germany, France, Italy, Belgium, Greece, China, the Netherlands as well as others. In total, well over 2,100 F-84F Thunderstreaks were built, with the Greek Air Force being the last to retire their F-84Fs in 1991.

== Media ==
<gallery mode="packed" caption="F-84F (France) Devblog Images" heights="150">
File:F-84F (France) WTWallpaper 001.jpg|
File:F-84F (France) WTWallpaper 002.jpg|
</gallery>

== See also ==

''Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:''

* ''reference to the series of the aircraft;''
* ''links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.''

== External links ==


* [[wt:en/news/6990-development-f-84f-thunderstreak-en|[Devblog] F-84F Thunderstreak]]

{{France jet aircraft}}

Etendard IVM

2020-12-28T22:51:07Z

U11671543: /* Pros and cons */ updates to patches

{{Specs-Card
|code=etndard_4m
|images={{Specs-Card-Image|GarageImage_{{PAGENAME}}.jpg}}
}}

== Description ==

The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a rank {{Specs|rank}} French jet fighter {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update 1.95 "Northern Wind"]].

== General info ==
=== Flight performance ===
{{Specs-Avia-Flight}}


The Etendard has good acceleration up to 1050 km/h, after which the aircraft tends to have a very difficult time accelerating. Manoeuvrability is acceptable when above 800 km/h - not great, but not bad. However, dipping below 800 km/h causes the aircraft to lose much of its turning ability, and energy retention is quite poor at all speeds. The aircraft has a good rate of climb compared to its counterparts.

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="70%"
! rowspan="2" | Characteristics
! colspan="2" | Max Speed (km/h at 0 m - sea level)
! rowspan="2" | Max altitude (metres)
! colspan="2" | Turn time (seconds)
! colspan="2" | Rate of climb (metres/second)
! rowspan="2" | Take-off run (metres)
|-
! AB !! RB !! AB !! RB !! AB !! RB
|-
! Stock
| 1,085 || 1,076 || rowspan="2" | {{Specs|ceiling}} || 32.7 || 33.5 || 79.4 || 74.2 || rowspan="2" | 800
|-
! Upgraded
|1,114|| 1,100 ||31.5|| 32.0 ||112.3|| 95.0
|-
|}

==== Details ====
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="50%"
|-
! colspan="6" | Features
|-
! Combat flaps !! Take-off flaps !! Landing flaps !! Air brakes !! Arrestor gear !! Drogue chute
|-
| X || ✓ || ✓ || ✓ || ✓ || ✓ 
|-
|}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="50%"
|-
! colspan="7" | Limits
|-
! rowspan="2" | Wings (km/h)
! rowspan="2" | Gear (km/h)
! colspan="3" | Flaps (km/h)
! colspan="2" | Max Static G
|-
! Combat !! Take-off !! Landing !! + !! -
|-
| {{Specs|destruction|body}} || {{Specs|destruction|gear}} || N/A || 1,300 || 389 || ~10 || ~4
|-
|}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="4" | Optimal velocities (km/h)
|-
! Ailerons !! Rudder !! Elevators !! Radiator
|-
| < 920 || < 750 || < 600 || N/A
|-
|}

==== Engine performance ====
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="3" | Engine
! colspan="5" | Aircraft mass
|-
! colspan="2" | Engine name || Number
! colspan="2" | Empty mass || colspan="3" | Wing loading (full fuel)
|-
| colspan="2" | SNECMA Atar 8C2 || 1
| colspan="2" | 3,385 kg || colspan="3" | 320 kg/m2
|-
! colspan="3" | Engine characteristics
! colspan="4" | Mass with fuel (no weapons load) || rowspan="2" | Max Takeoff Weight
|-
! Weight (each) || colspan="2" | Type
! 11m fuel || 20m fuel || 30m fuel || 38m fuel
|-
| 950 kg || colspan="2" | Axial-flow turbojet
| 7,228 kg || 7,848 kg || 8,537 kg || 9,088 kg || 10,950 kg
|-
! colspan="3" | {{Annotation|Maximum engine thrust @ 0 m (RB / SB)|The maximum thrust produced by each engine, while mounted in the aircraft. NOTE: Thrust varies significantly depending on speed & altitude.}}
! colspan="5" | Thrust to weight ratio @ 0 m (100%)
|-
! Condition || 100% || WEP
! 11m fuel || 20m fuel || 30m fuel || 38m fuel || MTOW
|-
| ''Stationary'' || 4,075 kgf || N/A
| 0.56 || 0.52 || 0.48 || 0.45 || 0.37
|-
| ''Optimal'' || 5,688 kgf (750 - 900 km/h) || N/A
| 0.79 || 0.72 || 0.67 || 0.63 || 0.52
|-
|}

=== Survivability and armour ===
{{Specs-Avia-Armour}}


*Side walls have a 14 mm steel plate
*Front firewall has a 14 mm steel plate
*Bulletproof glass is only installed down the center window of 40 mm

=== Modifications and economy ===
{{Specs-Economy}}

== Armaments ==
{{Specs-Avia-Armaments}}
=== Suspended armament ===
{{Specs-Avia-Suspended}}

{{main|AN-M64A1 (500 lb)|LDGP Mk 83 (1,000 lb)|AS-20 Nord|AIM-9B Sidewinder|SNEB type 23}}
{{main|DEFA 552 (30 mm)}}

The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' can be outfitted with the following ordnance:

* 2 x 30 mm DEFA 552 cannons
* 4 x 500 lb AN-M64A1 bombs + 2 x 30 mm DEFA 552 cannons (2,000 lb total)
* 2 x 1,000 lb LDGP Mk 83 bombs + 2 x 30 mm DEFA 552 cannons (2,000 lb total)
* 2 x AS-20 Nord missiles
* 72 x SNEB type 23 rockets + 2 x 30 mm DEFA 552 cannons
* 2 x AIM-9B Sidewinder missiles + 2 x 30 mm DEFA 552 cannons
* 2 x 500 lb AN-M64A1 bombs + 36 x SNEB type 23 rockets + 2 x 30 mm DEFA 552 cannons (1,000 lb total)
* 2 x 500 lb AN-M64A1 bombs + 2 x AIM-9B Sidewinder missiles + 2 x 30 mm DEFA 552 cannons (1,000 lb total)
* 2 x AIM-9B Sidewinder missiles + 36 x SNEB type 23 rockets + 2 x 30 mm DEFA 552 cannons

== Usage in battles ==


Although it does not have an afterburner, the Etendard has a very competitive TWR and acceleration, thanks to its light weight and powerful engine. It also has a good climb rate, decent turn rate, and a fairly standard set of armaments. However, like many French jets at its tier, it tends to have poor energy retention, and any manoeuvring tends drastically reduce acceleration. This means that a turnfighting play-style is often difficult, and defensive flying is hard to do successfully- the player should avoid gaining a tail if at all possible.

As such, the aircraft's good climbing ability and acceleration make it better suited for a more passive boom and zoom play style, where it is unlikely that an enemy will be able to chase it down. Such a playstyle will require teamwork. The Etendard is by no means a solo carry, and diving in and out of furballs to support teammates is often necessary. In this play style, the player will be easily able to keep a speed above 800 km/h (below which the aircraft's manoeuvrability suffers greatly).

The Etendard has two 30 mm cannons mounted on the bottom side of the aircraft. This can throw off many players' aim, and the only way to resolve this issue is through practice. The aircraft's air-to-air missiles, while less able to lock and track enemies than missiles mounted by other aircraft at the tier, can be very effective against slow targets and unmanoeuvrable bombers such as the [[Vautour IIA IDF/AF (France)|Vautour]].

=== Pros and cons ===


'''Pros:'''

* Decent acceleration and climb rate
* Strong cannons and ground-attack capability (heavly limited by ammo count)
* Carrier take-off results in a higher starting speed than a land takeoff (somestimes buged and unreliable resulting in iminent sucide)
* Better energy retention than the Super Mystere B2

'''Cons:'''

* Often uptiered, forcing the plane to face difficult opponents
* Has fewer air-to-air missiles than other jets at its rank
* Limited ammunition and small payload
* Poor low-speed manoeuvrability
* Lacks a '''Ballistic Computer''' or '''Radar''', limiting its attack effectiveness
* Only weakest guided mistiles aim-9B (10G shot burst of speed and gliding thru rest phase of flight)
* Expensive

== History ==


The Dassault Etendard was developed from an aircraft initially intended for the French Air Force to participate in the competition for the best ground attack aircraft capable of operating from makeshift  runways.

This design was not chosen by NATO, which preferred the [[G.91 (Family)|Fiat G.91]]. The French Air Force also did not want it and preferred to wait until the end of the development of the Mirage III. However, the prototype built for the French Air Force caught the attention of the Navy, which requested a navalised prototype in 1956.

A new engine was then added to it: the Atar 8 (Atar 9 without afterburner); an in-flight refuelling probe; new high lift devices; a new fuselage with a larger wing area; foldable wing tips; a new reinforced structure to support catapult launches and landings; and finally, an enlarged nose cone to fit the new '''Aida radar''' for aerial and ground target acquisition. In addition, a SAAB AX 26 toss-bombing and ballistic computer was incorporated into the design. 5 pre-production airframes were ordered by the French Navy in May 1957. On May 21, 1958, at Melun Villaroche, Jean-Marie Saget took charge of the plane. The Etendard flew as fast as the [[Super Mystere B2]] despite not having an afterburner.

Dassault would produce 90 copies in Mérignac (not counting the prototypes). From the Etendard IVM no.1 to no.69, deliveries were made from December 1961 to May 1965.

The Etendard IVM was gradually withdrawn from service from 1978, due to the introduction of the Super Etendard.

== Media ==
''Excellent additions to the article would be video guides, screenshots from the game, and photos.''

== See also ==
''Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:''

* ''reference to the series of the aircraft;''
* ''links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.''

== External links ==
''Paste links to sources and external resources, such as:''

* ''topic on the official game forum;''
* ''encyclopedia page on the aircraft;''
* ''other literature.''

{{AirManufacturer Bloch}}
{{France jet aircraft}}

S.O.4050 Vautour IIB

2020-12-28T22:46:56Z

U11671543: /* Pros and cons */ updates to patches

{{About
| about = French jet bomber '''{{PAGENAME}}'''
| and
| usage = other versions
| link-1 = S.O.4050 Vautour IIA
| link-2 = Vautour IIA IDF/AF (France)
}}
{{Specs-Card
|code=so_4050_vautour_2b
|images={{Specs-Card-Image|GarageImage_S.O.4050VautourIIB.jpg}}
}}

== Description ==

The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a Rank {{Specs|rank}} French jet bomber {{Battle-rating}}. This aircraft was introduced in [[Update 1.73 "Vive la France"]].

== General info ==
=== Flight performance ===
{{Specs-Avia-Flight}}


{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="70%"
! rowspan="2" | Characteristics
! colspan="2" | Max Speed (km/h at 0 m - sea level)
! rowspan="2" | Max altitude (metres)
! colspan="2" | Turn time (seconds)
! colspan="2" | Rate of climb (metres/second)
! rowspan="2" | Take-off run (metres)
|-
! AB !! RB !! AB !! RB !! AB !! RB
|-
! Stock
| 1,102 || 1,098 || rowspan="2" | {{Specs|ceiling}} || 32.6 || 33.2 || 43.6 || 39.7 || rowspan="2" | 900
|-
! Upgraded
| 1,113 || 1,107 || 31.5 || 32.0 || 68.2 || 55.0
|-
|}

====Details====
[[File:Vautour IIB Fuel Tanks.png|thumb|300x300px|Vautour IIB's self-sealing fuel tanks (fuel tanks are coloured in red)]]
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="50%"
|-
! colspan="6" | Features
|-
! Combat flaps !! Take-off flaps !! Landing flaps !! Air brakes !! Arrestor gear !! Drogue chute
|-
| ✓ || ✓ || ✓ || ✓ || X || ✓ 
|-
|}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="50%"
|-
! colspan="7" | Limits
|-
! rowspan="2" | Wings (km/h)
! rowspan="2" | Gear (km/h)
! colspan="3" | Flaps (km/h)
! colspan="2" | Max Static G
|-
! Combat !! Take-off !! Landing !! + !! -
|-
| {{Specs|destruction|body}} || {{Specs|destruction|gear}} || 600 || 600 || 463 || ~7 || ~3
|-
|}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="4" | Optimal velocities (km/h)
|-
! Ailerons !! Rudder !! Elevators !! Radiator
|-
| < 480 || < 620 || < 590 || N/A
|-
|}

==== Engine performance ====
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="3" | Engine
! colspan="4" | Aircraft mass
|-
! colspan="2" | Engine name || Number
! colspan="2" | Empty mass || colspan="2" | Wing loading (full fuel)
|-
| colspan="2" | SNECMA Atar 101E5 || 2
| colspan="2" | 11,500 kg || colspan="2" | 327 kg/m2
|-
! colspan="3" | Engine characteristics
! colspan="3" | Mass with fuel (no weapons load) || rowspan="2" | Max Takeoff Weight
|-
! Weight (each) || colspan="2" | Type
! 8m fuel || 20m fuel || 26m fuel
|-
| 950 kg || colspan="2" | Axial-flow turbojet
| 12,510 kg || 13,979 kg || 14,713 kg || 21,000 kg
|-
! colspan="3" | {{Annotation|Maximum engine thrust @ 0 m (RB / SB)|The maximum thrust produced by each engine, while mounted in the aircraft. NOTE: Thrust varies significantly depending on speed & altitude.}}
! colspan="4" | Thrust to weight ratio @ 0 m (110%)
|-
! Condition || 100% || 110%
! 8m fuel || 20m fuel || 26m fuel || MTOW
|-
| ''Stationary'' || 3,322 kgf || 3,787 kgf
| 0.60 || 0.54 || 0.51 || 0.36
|-
| ''Optimal'' || 3,627 kgf (1,100 km/h) || 4,135 kgf (1,100 km/h)
| 0.66 || 0.59 || 0.56 || 0.39
|-
|}
[[File:Armor plates Vautour IIb.png|right|thumb|300px|Red = 50 mm Bulletproof glassYellow = 13.5 mm Steel plate Yellowish green = 6 mm Steel plate Green = 3 mm Steel plate Turquoise = 2 mm Steel plate]]

=== Survivability and armour ===
{{Specs-Avia-Armour}}


* 50 mm Bulletproof glass in front of the pilot.
* 13.5 mm Steel plate behind the pilot's head.
* 6 + 13.5 mm Steel plate in nose.
* 3 mm Steel shell surrounding the cockpit in the fuselage.
* 2 mm Steel plate behind the fuel cells.
* 2 mm Steel plate in the tail.

=== Modifications and economy ===
{{Specs-Economy}}

== Armaments ==
{{Specs-Avia-Armaments}}
=== Suspended armament ===
{{Specs-Avia-Suspended}}

{{main|AN-M57 (250 lb)|AN-M64A1 (500 lb)|M117 cone 45 (750 lb)|AN-M65A1 Fin M129 (1,000 lb)}}

The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' can be outfitted with the following ordinance:

* 10 x 250 lb AN-M57 bombs (2,500 lb total)
* 10 x 500 lb AN-M64A1 bombs (5,000 lb total)
* 10 x 750 lb M117 cone 45 bombs (7,500 lb total)
* 6 x 1,000 lb AN-M65A1 Fin M129 bombs (6,000 lb total)

== Usage in battles ==


There are two ways you can go about using the Vautour IIb, either dive or keep your altitude from your air spawn.

;Diving

One way of playing the Vautour IIb is diving a tactic also known as rushing into a base bombing point and bombing it. Doing this can guaranteed a chance to drop a bomb at the base if the map is small enough to reach it. Following the bombing, the plane will still have a high speed due to the dive and so it can quickly withdraw back to the base to land and reload. However; this tactic doesn't work as well on larger maps where it would take a longer time to reach a base to comb. Not to mention that doing so will sacrifice altitude and cause the Vautour to be below many enemy fighters, which the Vautour cannot defend itself due to lack of armaments.

;Keeping your altitude

The other way of using the Vautour IIb is by keeping your altitude and climbing and then using your bombsight to bomb a base. Staying at a high altitude can prove safer as it can cause the Vautour to stay atop of many enemy fighters. However, bombing can be harder due to many more variables to keep account for when using the bomb sight. Getting up to altitude at standard speed can also make reaching the base harder, and so it would take a longer time to complete a bombing run. In some cases, more well-performing fighters like the F-100s can make this tactic moot as their speed will ensure they catch up and destroy the Vautour before it has a chance to drop its payload.

===Manual Engine Control===
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="7" | MEC elements
|-
! rowspan="2" |Mixer
! rowspan="2" |Pitch
! colspan="3" |Radiator
! rowspan="2" |Supercharger
! rowspan="2" |Turbocharger
|-
! Oil
! Water
! Type
|-
| Not controllable || Controllable Automatic pitch || Controllable || Not controllable || Combined || Controllable || Not controllable
|-
|}

=== Pros and cons ===


'''Pros:'''

* Insane acceleration
* <s>Climbs exceptionally well without ordnance</s> no more after nerf
* Energy retention is great
* Airbrakes, you will need them to avoid compressing in a dive and to dodge a mistile
* Possesses a bombsight
* <s>Guaranteed profit every game</s> no more as of last patches
* Bomber airspawn (Often above 3000m)

'''Cons:'''

* Lacks the rocket payload options of the Vautour IIA
* Compresses at high speed
* Massive penalties in-flight performance when carrying full payloads
* Turns like a brick
* Massive penalties in flight performance when carrying ordnance.
* Bad manoeuvrability, making it hard to dodge missiles.
* Roll rate is unimpressive.
* Fragile engines; a hit to an engine will massively decrease top speed.
* Relies heavily on team support.
* Massive target.
* Wings tend to rip with payload on the wings above 850 km/h, or when pulling high-G manoeuvres.
* not earning money on average unles made realy great battle or premium acount
* Extremly hight repair cost
* guaranted loss evry battle RB
* can't realy reliably winn a battle
* completly defensles

== History ==


The S.O.4050 Vautour IIB was developed by Sud Aviation after World War Two to meet the demand for the French Armée de l'Air. This was a challenging task, after the German occupation in France. Many aircraft design teams have scattered. France was also new to the new jet propulsion area. The requirements issued by the French government called for a jet-powered multi-role attack aircraft that can perform as a bomber, low-level attack aircraft, and an all-weather interceptor. SNCASO met those requirements with a modified version of the S.O 4000. The new plane was designated the S.O.4050 Vautour and was manufactured in three different variants. The plane would serve in the AdA for several decades before replaced the newer Dassault Mirage. The Vautour was also one of the stop-gap measures used by the AdA as a nuclear deterrent. The Vautour would later be exported to Israel and serve with the IAF to counter Egypt's IL-28 twin-engine bomber.

The IIB, which differed from the previous IIA by adding a second crew member in a transparent nose, was a dedicated bomber variant. Its prototype first flew in December 1954. In total 40 of the IIB would be built. All were sold along with all of France's Vautour IIAs to Israel in 1960.

== Media ==

<div><ul>
<li style="display: inline-block;"> [[File:Damage Vautour IIb.png|thumb|none|250px|Damaged Vautour IIb.]] </li>
</ul></div>

== Read also ==
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== Sources ==
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{{AirManufacturer SNCA SO}}
{{France jet aircraft}}

S.O.4050 Vautour IIA

2020-12-28T22:42:00Z

U11671543: /* Pros and cons */ updates to last patches

{{About
| about = French jet bomber '''{{PAGENAME}}'''
| and
| usage = other versions
| link-1 = Vautour IIA IDF/AF (France)
| link-2 = S.O.4050 Vautour IIB
}}
{{Specs-Card
|code=so_4050_vautour_2a
|images={{Specs-Card-Image|GarageImage_S.O.4050VautourIIA.jpg}}
|cockpit=cockpit_so_4050_vautour_2a.jpg
}}

== Description ==

The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a rank {{Specs|rank}} French jet bomber {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update 1.73 "Vive la France"]].

== General info ==
=== Flight performance ===
{{Specs-Avia-Flight}}

The SO.4050 Vautour IIA is the fastest accelerating, climbing and diving subsonic plane in the entire game. The acceleration of the aircraft is ridiculous, coupled with the insane climb rate and diving capabilities makes the SO.4050 IIA a very powerful aircraft.

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="70%"
! rowspan="2" | Characteristics
! colspan="2" | Max Speed (km/h at 0 m - sea level)
! rowspan="2" | Max altitude (metres)
! colspan="2" | Turn time (seconds)
! colspan="2" | Rate of climb (metres/second)
! rowspan="2" | Take-off run (metres)
|-
! AB !! RB !! AB !! RB !! AB !! RB
|-
! Stock
| 1,093 || 1,091 || rowspan="2" | {{Specs|ceiling}} || 32.6 || 33.2 || 43.0 || 41.1 || rowspan="2" | 900
|-
! Upgraded
| 1,106 || 1,100 || 31.4 || 32.0 || 62.7 || 52.0
|-
|}

====Details====
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="50%"
|-
! colspan="6" | Features
|-
! Combat flaps !! Take-off flaps !! Landing flaps !! Air brakes !! Arrestor gear !! Drogue chute
|-
| ✓ || ✓ || ✓ || ✓ || X || ✓ 
|-
|}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="50%"
|-
! colspan="7" | Limits
|-
! rowspan="2" | Wings (km/h)
! rowspan="2" | Gear (km/h)
! colspan="3" | Flaps (km/h)
! colspan="2" | Max Static G
|-
! Combat !! Take-off !! Landing !! + !! -
|-
| {{Specs|destruction|body}} || {{Specs|destruction|gear}} || 600 || 600 || 463 || ~7 || ~3
|-
|}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="4" | Optimal velocities (km/h)
|-
! Ailerons !! Rudder !! Elevators !! Radiator
|-
| < 480 || < 620 || < 590 || N/A
|-
|}

==== Engine performance ====
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="3" | Engine
! colspan="4" | Aircraft mass
|-
! colspan="2" | Engine name || Number
! colspan="2" | Empty mass || colspan="2" | Wing loading (full fuel)
|-
| colspan="2" | SNECMA Atar 101E3 || 2
| colspan="2" | 11,000 kg || colspan="2" | 316 kg/m2
|-
! colspan="3" | Engine characteristics
! colspan="3" | Mass with fuel (no weapons load) || rowspan="2" | Max Takeoff Weight
|-
! Weight (each) || colspan="2" | Type
! 8m fuel || 20m fuel || 27m fuel
|-
| 950 kg || colspan="2" | Axial-flow turbojet
| 11,974 kg || 13,388 kg || 14,213 kg || 21,000 kg
|-
! colspan="3" | {{Annotation|Maximum engine thrust @ 0 m (RB / SB)|The maximum thrust produced by each engine, while mounted in the aircraft. NOTE: Thrust varies significantly depending on speed & altitude.}}
! colspan="4" | Thrust to weight ratio @ 0 m (100%)
|-
! Condition || 100% || WEP
! 8m fuel || 20m fuel || 27m fuel || MTOW
|-
| ''Stationary'' || 3,293 kgf || N/A
| 0.55 || 0.49 || 0.46 || 0.31
|-
| ''Optimal'' || 3,595 kgf (1,100 km/h) || N/A
| 0.60 || 0.54 || 0.51 || 0.34
|-
|}

=== Survivability and armour ===
{{Specs-Avia-Armour}}


* 50 mm Bulletproof glass in front of pilot.
* 13.5 mm Steel plate behind the pilot's head.
* 6 + 13.5 mm Steel plate in front of cockpit.
* 3 mm Steel shell surrounding the cockpit in the fuselage. ''Does not extend to cockpit front''.
* 2 mm Steel plate behind the fuel cells.
* 2 mm Steel plate in the tail.

=== Modifications and economy ===
{{Specs-Economy}}

== Armaments ==
{{Specs-Avia-Armaments}}
=== Offensive armament ===
{{Specs-Avia-Offensive}}

{{main|DEFA 551 (30 mm)}}

The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' is armed with:

* 4 x 30 mm DEFA 551 cannons, nose-mounted (100 rpg = 400 total)

The four machine guns are arranged in bundles of two mounted in the nose of the fuselage. Each is armed with the same amount of ammunition, which means that all guns will fire together until empty.

=== Suspended armament ===
{{Specs-Avia-Suspended}}

{{main|AN-M57 (250 lb)|AN-M64A1 (500 lb)|M117 cone 45 (750 lb)|M117 cone 90 (750 lb)|AN-M65A1 Fin M129 (1,000 lb)}}
{{main|T10 140|T10 151|SNEB type 23}}

The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' can be outfitted with the following ordnance:

* 10 x 250 lb AN-M57 bombs (2,500 lb total)
* 10 x 500 lb AN-M64A1 bombs (5,000 lb total)
* 8 x 750 lb M117 cone 45 bombs + 2 x 750 lb M117 cone 90 bombs (7,500 lb total)
* 6 x 1,000 lb AN-M65A1 Fin M129 bombs (6,000 lb total)
* 24 x T10 140 rockets
* 24 x T10 151 rockets
* 76 x SNEB type 23 rockets
* 6 x 250 lb AN-M57 bombs + 24 x T10 140 rockets (1,500 lb total)
* 6 x 500 lb AN-M64A1 bombs + 24 x T10 140 rockets (3,000 lb total)
* 4 x 750 lb M117 cone 45 bombs + 2 x 750 lb M117 cone 90 bombs + 24 x T10 140 rockets (4,500 lb total)
* 2 x 1,000 lb AN-M65A1 Fin M129 bombs + 24 x T10 140 rockets (2,000 lb total)
* 6 x 250 lb AN-M57 bombs + 24 x T10 151 rockets (1,500 lb total)
* 6 x 500 lb AN-M64A1 bombs + 24 x T10 151 rockets (3,000 lb total)
* 4 x 750 lb M117 cone 45 bombs + 2 x 750 lb M117 cone 90 bombs + 24 x T10 151 rockets (4,500 lb total)
* 2 x 1,000 lb AN-M65A1 Fin M129 bombs + 24 x T10 151 rockets (2,000 lb total)
* 6 x 250 lb AN-M57 bombs + 76 x SNEB type 23 rockets (1,500 lb total)
* 6 x 500 lb AN-M64A1 bombs + 76 x SNEB type 23 rockets (3,000 lb total)
* 4 x 750 lb M117 cone 45 bombs + 2 x 750 lb M117 cone 90 bombs + 76 x SNEB type 23 rockets (4,500 lb total)
* 2 x 1,000 lb AN-M65A1 Fin M129 bombs + 76 x SNEB type 23 rockets (2,000 lb total)

== Usage in battles ==

The SO.4050 Vautour IIA should be used like the [[Hunter F.1|Hunter]], but more aggressively. Always load 8 minutes of fuel, use the bomber spawn to spawn at 3,000 meters, rush to a base, drop your bombs then rush to the enemy airfield to catch enemies off-guard. Besides catching enemies off-guard, the Vautour IIA can cause the enemy team to panic by rushing - when enemy players see a Vautour going faster than 1,000 km/h and they're a lot slower - they tend to panic, causing them to scatter around to find space in order to gain speed which could possibly ruin teamwork.
Do '''NOT''' turn. The Vautour is very bad at turning and rolling, it should be used as an exclusive boom and zoomer - like the Hunter. Gain speed, engage, zoom up, loop around, dive, rinse and repeat. The Vautour has excellent energy retention characteristics.

In a downtier, jets such as the [[CL-13A Mk 5|CL-13]], [[MiG-15bis]], [[MiG-17]] etc should be your main concern. They turn and roll better than the SO.4050 does. While you can outrun the MiG-15s at sea level, you cannot run away from the MiG-17 and the CL-13 as their top speeds are higher (MiG-17: 1,121 km/h, CL-13: 1,114 km/h). Despite that fact, the Vautour outclasses them in climb rate, energy retention and acceleration. The [[Me 163 B]] and [[G.91 R/1|G.91]] are also no match for the plane's speed.

However, with the advent of air-to-air missiles, the Vautour's lack of manoeuvrability becomes a crucial weakspot. The maximum overload of +6G is often insufficient to evade missiles, especially when attempting to do so at high speed. As such, the Vautour is an incredibly easy for even an [[AIM-9B Sidewinder|AIM-9B]] Sidewinder. In addition, the introduction of powerful, high-climbing jets like the [[AV-8C]] and [[Harrier GR.1]], mean that it is now impossible to exploit the Vautour's climb rate to your advantage. These factors coincide to make the Vautour hard to play when uptiered, and as such, a more passive playstyle is recommended. When uptiered, you can either attempt to rush and force head-ons with enemy players, or you can wait for the enemy team to engage friendly fighters before bombing the bases.

=== Pros and cons ===


'''Pros:'''

* Decent payload options, enough to destroy 2 minibases and deal heavy damage to last one
* <s>Insane acceleration</s> ''no more as of nerf''
* High top speed, outruns many aircraft at its battle rating.
* <s>Climbs exceptionally well without ordnance</s>. also nerfed
* Energy retention is great.
* Bomber spawn (3,000 - 3,500 meters).
* <s>Extremely versatile (can be used in a variety of roles).</s> as of last patches stands no chance new aded planes
* Armoured cockpit, easier to survive head-on engagements.

'''Cons:'''

* Ammo consumption is too high to engage multiple targets.
* Compresses at high speed (similar to that of the MiG-15s' and MiG-17's infamous compression).
* No bomb sight unlike the earlier [[S.O.4050 Vautour IIB]].
* Massive penalties in flight performance when carrying ordnance.
* Bad manoeuvrability, making it hard to dodge missiles.
* Roll rate is unimpressive.
* Fragile engines; a hit to an engine will massively decrease top speed.
* Relies heavily on team support.
* Massive target.
* Wings tend to rip with payload on the wings above 850 km/h, or when pulling high-G manoeuvres.
* not earning money on average unles made realy great battle or premium acount
* Extremly hight repair cost

== History ==


In total 140 of the versatile and powerful Vautour aircraft were built by France between 1956 and 1959. The Vautour II-A was the ground attack variant; the II-B the bomber; and the II-N an all-weather interceptor. The first two variants saw greater service with the Israelis, whereas the interceptor was used by the French. All variants were still in use into the 1970s.

The II-N prototype, with two crew, had made its first flight in October, 1952, followed by the single-seat II-A in December, 1953. After nine prototypes, the French made an initial order for 440 aircraft, including 300 II-As. However, only 30 of the II-A would be completed, with the first entering service in 1956. In 1960, all II-A and the 40 II-B (the two-seater bomber model) that had been produced were taken out of French service and sold to Israel.

== Media ==

{{Youtube-gallery|val2qd1RsNY|'''The Shooting Range #69''' - ''Pages of History'' section at 05:10 discusses the S.O.4050 Vautour IIA.|UXaIKX58Rd4|'''The Shooting Range #70''' - ''Metal Beasts'' section at 00:32 discusses the S.O.4050 Vautour IIA.}}

== See also ==
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{{AirManufacturer SNCA SO}}
{{France jet aircraft}}

E.B.R. (1954)

2020-12-28T16:45:45Z

U11671543: /* Pros and cons */ errors corection

{{Specs-Card
|code=fr_panhard_ebr_1954
|images={{Specs-Card-Image|GarageImage_{{PAGENAME}}.jpg}}
}}

== Description ==


The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a premium gift rank {{Specs|rank}} French light tank {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced during [[Update "Hot Tracks"]] as a reward for the [[wt:en/news/6981-special-operation-w-i-n-t-e-r-en|2020 Operation W.I.N.T.E.R.]] event.

== General info ==
=== Survivability and armour ===
{{Specs-Tank-Armour}}

''Describe armour protection. Note the most well protected and key weak areas. Appreciate the layout of modules as well as the number and location of crew members. Is the level of armour protection sufficient, is the placement of modules helpful for survival in combat? If necessary use a visual template to indicate the most secure and weak zones of the armour.''

'''Armour type:''' 


{| class="wikitable"
|-
! Armour !! Front (Slope angle) !! Sides !! Rear !! Roof
|-
| Hull || ___ mm || ___ mm ''Top'' ___ mm ''Bottom'' || ___ mm || ___ - ___ mm
|-
| Turret || ___ - ___ mm ''Turret front'' ___ mm ''Gun mantlet'' || ___ - ___ mm || ___ - ___ mm || ___ - ___ mm
|-
| Cupola || ___ mm || ___ mm || ___ mm || ___ mm
|-
|}

'''Notes:''' 


=== Mobility ===
{{Specs-Tank-Mobility}}


{{tankMobility|abMinHp=310|rbMinHp=177}}

=== Modifications and economy ===
{{Specs-Economy}}

== Armaments ==
{{Specs-Tank-Armaments}}
=== Main armament ===
{{Specs-Tank-Weapon|1}}

{{main|SA50 L/57 (75 mm)}}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="100%"
|-
! colspan="5" | [[SA50 L/57 (75 mm)|75 mm SA50 L/57]] || colspan="5" | Turret rotation speed (°/s) || colspan="4" | Reloading rate (seconds)
|-
! Mode !! Capacity !! Vertical !! Horizontal !! Stabilizer
! Stock !! Upgraded !! Full !! Expert !! Aced
! Stock !! Full !! Expert !! Aced
|-
! ''Arcade''
| rowspan="2" | 36 || rowspan="2" | -6°/+10° || rowspan="2" | ±180° || rowspan="2" | N/A || 28.6 || 39.5 || 48.0 || 53.1 || 56.5 || rowspan="2" | 5.00 || rowspan="2" | 5.00 || rowspan="2" | 5.00 || rowspan="2" | 5.00
|-
! ''Realistic''
| 17.9 || 21.0 || 25.5 || 28.2 || 30.0
|-
|}

==== Ammunition ====
{| class="wikitable sortable" style="text-align:center" width="100%"
! colspan="8" | Penetration statistics
|-
! rowspan="2" data-sort-type="text" | Ammunition
! rowspan="2" | Type of warhead
! colspan="6" | '''Penetration @ 0° Angle of Attack (mm)'''
|-
! 10 m !! 100 m !! 500 m !! 1,000 m !! 1,500 m !! 2,000 m
|-
| POT-51A || APC || 182 || 178 || 162 || 143 || 127 || 113
|-
| 75 mm HE || HE || 10 || 10 || 10 || 10 || 10 || 10
|-
|}
{| class="wikitable sortable" style="text-align:center" width="100%"
! colspan="10" | Shell details
|-
! rowspan="2" data-sort-type="text" | Ammunition
! rowspan="2" | Type of warhead
! rowspan="2" | Velocity (m/s)
! rowspan="2" | Projectile Mass (kg)
! rowspan="2" | Fuse delay (m)
! rowspan="2" | Fuse sensitivity (mm)
! rowspan="2" | Explosive Mass (TNT equivalent) (g)
! colspan="3" | Ricochet
|-
! 0% !! 50% !! 100%
|-
| POT-51A || APC || 1,000 || 6.4 || N/A || N/A || N/A || 48° || 63° || 71°
|-
| 75 mm HE || HE || 753 || 6.2 || 0 || 0.1 || 675 || 79° || 80° || 81°
|-
|}

==== [[Ammo racks]] ====


{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! Full ammo
! 1st rack empty
! 2nd rack empty
! 3rd rack empty
! 4th rack empty
! 5th rack empty
! 6th rack empty
! Visual discrepancy
|-
| '''36''' || __ ''(+__)'' || __ ''(+__)'' || __ ''(+__)'' || __ ''(+__)'' || __ ''(+__)'' || __ ''(+__)'' || __
|-
|}

=== Machine guns ===
{{Specs-Tank-Weapon|2}}

{{main|MAC 31 (7.5 mm)}}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="50%"
|-
! colspan="5" | [[MAC 31 (7.5 mm)|7.5 mm MAC 31]]
|-
! Mount !! Capacity (Belt) !! Fire rate !! Vertical !! Horizontal
|-
| Coaxial || 4,950 (150) || 1,350 || N/A || N/A
|-
|}

== Usage in battles ==

''Describe the tactics of playing in the vehicle, the features of using vehicles in the team and advice on tactics. Refrain from creating a "guide" - do not impose a single point of view but instead give the reader food for thought. Describe the most dangerous enemies and give recommendations on fighting them. If necessary, note the specifics of the game in different modes (AB, RB, SB).''

=== Modules ===
{| class="wikitable"
! Tier
! colspan="2" | Mobility
! Protection
! colspan="2" | Firepower
|-
| I
| Tires
|
| Parts
| Horizontal Drive
|
|-
| II
| Suspension
| Brake System
| FPE
| Adjustment of Fire
| Airstrike
|-
| III
| Filters
|
| Crew Replenishment
| Elevation Mechanism
| Smoke grenade
|-
| IV
| Transmission
| Engine
|
| Artillery Support
| Improved optics
|-
! colspan="6" | This is a premium vehicle: all modifications are unlocked on purchase
|-
|}

=== Pros and cons ===


'''Pros:'''

* The main gun reloads in 5 seconds even with 2 active crew members and the autoloader has a capacity of 12 rounds.
* The shells have a very high muzzle velocity (1,000 m/s for APC) and, despite the lack of explosive filler, deal a lot of damage*
* Both the front and back wheels steer, resulting in a pretty small turning radius.
* As this vehicle is an armoured car, scouting is available.

'''Cons:'''

* Due to its shape, a penetration in the front (or back) by any actual tank cannon will mean losing the vehicle.
* The 7° gun depression is far from optimal for players that want to shoot from an hull down position.
* The massive radio antennas will make you visible even when the rest of the vehicle is hidden behind a hill or small building.
* Very easy to spot and recognize from the side due to its size and shape.
* The roof of the turret, right above the crew and autoloader drums, is 10mm thick, making it vulnerable to airborne attacks.
* May have some difficulty climbing hills without a running start.
* Extremly slow acceleration for a light tank even even worse for compared to armored cars.
* Cant reach top speed of 105 km/h in RB
* Low end power of engine is unrealistic for oposed piston engine.
* will die even from 7 mm mashinegun fired from 300 m
* shels sometimes overpenetrate not creating a shrapnels inside dealing no damage.
* Overster when turning in speeds above 40 km/h

== History ==

''Describe the history of the creation and combat usage of the vehicle in more detail than in the introduction. If the historical reference turns out to be too long, take it to a separate article, taking a link to the article about the vehicle and adding a block "/History" (example: <nowiki>https://wiki.warthunder.com/(Vehicle-name)/History</nowiki>) and add a link to it here using the <code>main</code> template. Be sure to reference text and sources by using <code><nowiki><ref></ref></nowiki></code>, as well as adding them at the end of the article with <code><nowiki><references /></nowiki></code>. This section may also include the vehicle's dev blog entry (if applicable) and the in-game encyclopedia description (under <code><nowiki>=== In-game description ===</nowiki></code>, also if applicable).''

== Media ==

''Excellent additions to the article would be video guides, screenshots from the game, and photos.''

== See also ==

''Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:''

* ''reference to the series of the vehicles;''
* ''links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.''

== External links ==


* [[wt:en/news/7000-development-e-b-r-1954-en|[Devblog] E.B.R. (1954)]]

{{France light tanks}}
{{France premium ground vehicles}}

Mirage IIIC

2020-12-27T21:50:43Z

U11671543: cos

{{Specs-Card
|code=mirage_3c
|images={{Specs-Card-Image|GarageImage_{{PAGENAME}}.jpg}}
|cockpit=cockpit_mirage_3c.jpg
}}

== Description ==

The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a rank {{Specs|rank}} French jet fighter {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update "Starfighters"]].

== General info ==
=== Flight performance ===
{{Specs-Avia-Flight}}


{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="70%"
! rowspan="2" | Characteristics
! colspan="2" | Max Speed (km/h at 12,000 m)
! rowspan="2" | Max altitude (metres)
! colspan="2" | Turn time (seconds)
! colspan="2" | Rate of climb (metres/second)
! rowspan="2" | Take-off run (metres)
|-
! AB !! RB !! AB !! RB !! AB !! RB
|-
! Stock
| 2,087 || 2,045 || rowspan="2" | {{Specs|ceiling}} || 29.5 || 30.1 || 109.3 || 97.7 || rowspan="2" | 750
|-
! Upgraded
| 2,238 || 2,160 || 26.7 || 28.0 || 173.1 || 140.0
|-
|}

==== Details ====
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="50%"
|-
! colspan="6" | Features
|-
! Combat flaps !! Take-off flaps !! Landing flaps !! Air brakes !! Arrestor gear !! Drogue chute
|-
| X || X || X || ✓ || X || ✓ 
|-
|}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="50%"
|-
! colspan="7" | Limits
|-
! rowspan="2" | Wings (km/h)
! rowspan="2" | Gear (km/h)
! colspan="3" | Flaps (km/h)
! colspan="2" | Max Static G
|-
! Combat !! Take-off !! Landing !! + !! -
|-
| {{Specs|destruction|body}} || {{Specs|destruction|gear}} || N/A || N/A || N/A || ~12 || ~5
|-
|}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="4" | Optimal velocities (km/h)
|-
! Ailerons !! Rudder !! Elevators !! Radiator
|-
| < 920 || < 750 || < 650 || N/A
|-
|}

==== Engine performance ====
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="3" | Engine
! colspan="5" | Aircraft mass
|-
! colspan="2" | Engine name || Number
! colspan="2" | {{Annotation|Basic Mass|Mass of the aircraft with pilot and engine oil, but no fuel or weapons load}} || colspan="3" | Wing loading (full fuel, no booster)
|-
| colspan="2" | SNECMA Atar 9B || 1
| colspan="2" | 6,340 kg || colspan="3" | 258 kg/m2
|-
! colspan="3" | Engine characteristics
! colspan="4" | Mass with fuel (no weapons load, no booster) || rowspan="2" | Max Takeoff Weight
|-
! Weight (each) || colspan="2" | Type
! 13m fuel || 20m fuel || 30m fuel || 44m fuel
|-
| 1,450 kg || colspan="2" | Afterburning axial-flow turbojet
| 6,891 kg || 7,188 kg || 7,612 kg || 8,206 kg || 10,950 kg
|-
! colspan="3" | {{Annotation|Maximum engine thrust @ 0 m (RB / SB)|The maximum thrust produced by each engine, while mounted in the aircraft. NOTE: Thrust varies significantly depending on speed & altitude.}}
! colspan="5" | Thrust to weight ratio @ 0 m (WEP, no booster)
|-
! Condition || 100% || WEP
! 13m fuel || 20m fuel || 30m fuel || 44m fuel || MTOW
|-
| ''Stationary'' || 4,230 kgf || 6,090 kgf
| 0.88 || 0.85 || 0.80 || 0.74 || 0.56
|-
| ''Optimal'' || 5,118 kgf (1,200 km/h) || 8,105 kgf (1,200 km/h)
| 1.18 || 1.13 || 1.06 || 0.99 || 0.74
|-
|}

=== Survivability and armour ===
{{Specs-Avia-Armour}}

The Mirage IIIC has no armour and is very susceptible to damage. Hits that do not outright destroy the aircraft will severely hamper manoeuvrability and performance. A damaged engine will require immediate landing, since the aircraft loses a lot of energy while turning, the loss of power will be very noticeable. Wing or tail/rudder damage will result in flatspins if the aircraft is taken to low speeds or if too many G's are pulled.

Overall, if damaged, a pilot should seek to land as soon as possible while attempting to make as few manoeuvres as possible.

=== Modifications and economy ===
{{Specs-Economy}}

== Armaments ==
{{Specs-Avia-Armaments}}
=== Suspended armament ===
{{Specs-Avia-Suspended}}

{{main|SAMP Type 25 (250 kg)|SAMP Type 21 (400 kg)|SNEB type 23|DEFA 552A (30 mm)}}
{{main|AIM-9B Sidewinder|AS-30 Nord|Matra R530|Matra R530E|Matra R550 Magic 1}}

The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' can be outfitted with the following ordnance:

* 2 x 30 mm DEFA 552A cannons (125 rpg = 250 total)
* 2 x 30 mm DEFA 552A cannons + 2 x AIM-9B Sidewinder missiles
* 2 x 30 mm DEFA 552A cannons + 1 x Matra R530E missile
* 2 x 30 mm DEFA 552A cannons + 1 x Matra R530 missile
* 2 x 30 mm DEFA 552A cannons + 2 x Matra R550 Magic 1 missiles
* 2 x 30 mm DEFA 552A cannons + 1 x Matra R530E missile + 2 x AIM-9B Sidewinder missiles
* 2 x 30 mm DEFA 552A cannons + 1 x Matra R530E missile + 2 x Matra R550 Magic 1 missiles
* 2 x 30 mm DEFA 552A cannons + 1 x Matra R530E missile + 36 x SNEB type 23 rockets + 2 x AIM-9B Sidewinder missiles
* 2 x 30 mm DEFA 552A cannons + 1 x Matra R530E missile + 36 x SNEB type 23 rockets + 2 x Matra R550 Magic 1 missiles
* 2 x 30 mm DEFA 552A cannons + 1 x Matra R530 missile + 2 x AIM-9B Sidewinder missiles
* 2 x 30 mm DEFA 552A cannons + 1 x Matra R530 missile + 2 x Matra R550 Magic 1 missiles
* 2 x 30 mm DEFA 552A cannons + 1 x Matra R530 missile + 36 x SNEB type 23 rockets + 2 x AIM-9B Sidewinder missiles
* 2 x 30 mm DEFA 552A cannons + 1 x Matra R530 missile + 36 x SNEB type 23 rockets + 2 x Matra R550 Magic 1 missiles
* 2 x 30 mm DEFA 552A cannons + 1 x AS-30 Nord missile + 36 x SNEB type 23 rockets
* 2 x 30 mm DEFA 552A cannons + 1 x AS-30 Nord missile + 72 x SNEB type 23 rockets
* 2 x 30 mm DEFA 552A cannons + 2 x 250 kg SAMP Type 25 bombs (500 kg total)
* 2 x 30 mm DEFA 552A cannons + 2 x 400 kg SAMP Type 21 bombs (800 kg total)
* 2 x 30 mm DEFA 552A cannons + 2 x 250 kg SAMP Type 25 bombs + 2 x AIM-9B Sidewinder missiles (500 kg total)
* 2 x 30 mm DEFA 552A cannons + 2 x 250 kg SAMP Type 25 bombs + 2 x Matra R550 Magic 1 missiles (500 kg total)
* 2 x 30 mm DEFA 552A cannons + 2 x 250 kg SAMP Type 25 bombs + 36 x SNEB type 23 rockets (500 kg total)
* 2 x 30 mm DEFA 552A cannons + 2 x 250 kg SAMP Type 25 bombs + 72 x SNEB type 23 rockets (500 kg total)
* 2 x 30 mm DEFA 552A cannons + 2 x 400 kg SAMP Type 21 bombs + 2 x AIM-9B Sidewinder missiles (800 kg total)
* 2 x 30 mm DEFA 552A cannons + 2 x 400 kg SAMP Type 21 bombs + 2 x Matra R550 Magic 1 missiles (800 kg total)
* 2 x 30 mm DEFA 552A cannons + 2 x 400 kg SAMP Type 21 bombs + 36 x SNEB type 23 rockets (800 kg total)
* 2 x 30 mm DEFA 552A cannons + 2 x 400 kg SAMP Type 21 bombs + 72 x SNEB type 23 rockets (800 kg total)
* 2 x AIM-9B Sidewinder missiles
* 2 x Matra R550 Magic 1 missiles

== Usage in battles ==

The Mirage IIIC is a multirole strike fighter which can be used in a wide variety of roles from air-to-air and a really limited role in air-to-ground.

'''When in air battles:'''

The Mirage IIIC is one of the most feared planes in the sky, not only because of its speed but because of its powerful air-to-air missiles. The Mirage has a wide range of AAMs featuring both IR seeker and radar-guided missiles: the AIM-9B, Matra R550 Magic 1, Matra R530E and the Matra R530. Each of the missiles has its pros and cons which will be explained. It should be noted that the Mirage '''should not be used as a bomber in Air Realistic battles''' due to its mediocre bomb payload.

''AIM-9B:''

This is one of the most universal and basic IR AAM which is available in many nations. Although they are one of the easiest missiles to evade, their speed and range make them deadly against unaware enemies.

''Matra R550 Magic 1:''

This is a unique French IR AAM which is hard to evade without the use of flares due to its high speed, G-limit and firing range. They are similar to the [[SRAAM]] missiles in terms of use due to its G-limit. The main difference is that the R550 does not have a thrust vectoring system, meaning it has to gain speed when launched in order to make turns which differs from SRAAM which can turn while gaining speed in super short distances (less than 1 km but greater than 200 m) due to the vectoring thrust.

''Matra R530E:''

This IR AAM has a tremendous explosive power, speed, and firing range. Despite not being the most agile AAM in the game, they are the best IR long range AAM. This comes with a cost, the Mirage only has access to 1 carried on the belly pylon. This missile should only be used when chasing enemy planes in a run, not while turning. The main downside is fighting against planes with Infrared Countermeasures (IRCM) and Missile Alert Warning (MAW) which will automatically dump flares upon detecting the missile.

''Matra R530:''

This is the biggest radar-guided AAM in the game, exactly the same as the R530E but with radar guidance and without a maximum lock-on range in rear aspect, meaning it can be fired at any target locked by the radar no matter the aspect (rear, front, side, etc). The main downsides of this missile are the same as the R530E but this time it loses its "stealth" factor as many planes carry Radar Warning Receivers (RWR). MAW, IRCM and flares will not affect the performance of the missile as the only way to evade a radar lock-on missile is to escape from the radar range and azimuth or by causing interference using the ground (refer to [[Airborne radars#Clutter]]).

Take the required payload upon discretion.

'''When in ground battles:'''

The Mirage has a decent payload when in GRB. Although limited, the Mirage can do competitive CAS runs with the SNEB rocket pods, bombs, and Nord AGMs. With the help of the ballistic computer, the Mirage is capable of enhancing the accuracy of this armament in addition to its 30 mm gun pods. It should be noted that the amount of ordnance is really small (only 36 x SNEB rockets, 2 x 400 kg bombs, 2 x 250 kg bombs, or 1 x AS-30 Nord AGM) but can be deadly in a good pilot's hands.

=== Pros and cons ===


'''Pros:'''

* Magic missiles have very high probability of kill
* Long range Matra R530E missile allows you to catch pilots by surprise
* 30 mm cannons are nose-mounted, so there is little need for convergence
* Very manoeuvrable
* Variety of suspended armament is vast

'''Cons:'''

* Bleeds energy at high angles of attack
* Relatively low thrust to weight ratio for its battle rating
* No armour
* Oldest/weakest engine from all 10.7 planes
* can't accelerate from dogfight in time

== History ==


The Dassault Mirage IIIC is an upgrade of the Mirage IIIA, the IIIC is slightly longer than the IIIA. A notable Mirage III variant is the Mirage IIIV which was VTOL capable and supersonic capable but never in the same flight.

The Mirage III was operated by France, Argentina, Australia, Brazil, Chile, Spain, Israel (they also made their own variants), Lebanon, Portugal (loaned), South Africa, Switzerland, Abu Dhabi and Venezuela.

It is still operated by the Pakistan Air Force and 1 is operated in Switzerland by a civilian company. Pakistan retrofit their Mirage III and Mirage 5 that were in service with the ROSE system, this retrofit refit the fighters with new parts such as the HUD, HOTAS, radar warning receiver and navigation systems.

== Media ==


;Skins

* [https://live.warthunder.com/feed/camouflages/?vehicleCountry=france&vehicleType=aircraft&vehicleClass=fighter&vehicle=mirage_3c Skins and camouflages for the {{PAGENAME}} from live.warthunder.com.]

;Videos
{{Youtube-gallery|QAA4S31Hbhw|'''The Shooting Range #202''' - ''Pages of History'' section at 04:40 discusses the Mirage III.|rpp-GqXiaKg|'''The Shooting Range #214''' - ''Metal Beasts'' section at 00:27 discusses the {{PAGENAME}}.}}

== See also ==

''Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:''

* ''reference to the series of the aircraft;''
* ''links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.''

== External links ==


* [[wt:en/news/6728-development-mirage-iiic-an-illusive-figure-en|[Devblog] Mirage IIIC: An Illusive Figure]]

{{AirManufacturer Bloch}}
{{France jet aircraft}}

F-84F (France)

2020-12-27T21:48:48Z

U11671543: /* Pros and cons */

{{Specs-Card
|code=f-84f_france
|images={{Specs-Card-Image|GarageImage_{{PAGENAME}}.jpg}}
}}

== Description ==

The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a rank {{Specs|rank}} French jet fighter {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update "Hot Tracks"]].

== General info ==
=== Flight performance ===
{{Specs-Avia-Flight}}


{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="70%"
! rowspan="2" | Characteristics
! colspan="2" | Max Speed (km/h at 0 m - sea level)
! rowspan="2" | Max altitude (metres)
! colspan="2" | Turn time (seconds)
! colspan="2" | Rate of climb (metres/second)
! rowspan="2" | Take-off run (metres)
|-
! AB !! RB !! AB !! RB !! AB !! RB
|-
! Stock
| 1,089 || 1,066 || rowspan="2" | {{Specs|ceiling}} || 29.9 || 31.2 || 31.1 || 29.2 || rowspan="2" | 3,000
|-
! Upgraded
|1,111||1,102||26.3||28.0||45.5||38.0
|-
|}

==== Details ====
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="50%"
|-
! colspan="6" | Features
|-
! Combat flaps !! Take-off flaps !! Landing flaps !! Air brakes !! Arrestor gear !! Drogue chute
|-
| ✓ || ✓ || ✓ || ✓ || X || ✓ 
|-
|}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="50%"
|-
! colspan="7" | Limits
|-
! rowspan="2" | Wings (km/h)
! rowspan="2" | Gear (km/h)
! colspan="3" | Flaps (km/h)
! colspan="2" | Max Static G
|-
! Combat !! Take-off !! Landing !! + !! -
|-
| {{Specs|destruction|body}} || {{Specs|destruction|gear}} || 550 || 550 || 420 || ~10 || ~3
|-
|}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="4" | Optimal velocities (km/h)
|-
! Ailerons !! Rudder !! Elevators !! Radiator
|-
| < 630 || < 600 || < 650 || N/A
|-
|}

==== Engine performance ====
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="3" | Engine
! colspan="4" | Aircraft mass
|-
! colspan="2" | Engine name || Number
! colspan="2" | {{Annotation|Basic Mass|Mass of the aircraft with pilot and engine oil, but no fuel or weapons load}} || colspan="2" | Wing loading (full fuel)
|-
| colspan="2" | Wright J65-W-7 || 1
| colspan="2" | 7,057 kg || colspan="2" | 192 kg/m2
|-
! colspan="3" | Engine characteristics
! colspan="3" | Mass with fuel (no weapons load) || rowspan="2" | Max Takeoff Weight
|-
! Weight (each) || colspan="2" | Type
! 9m fuel || 20m fuel || 30m fuel
|-
| 1,260 kg || colspan="2" | Axial-flow turbojet
| 7,567 kg || 8,190 kg || 8,757 kg || 8,935 kg
|-
! colspan="3" | {{Annotation|Maximum engine thrust @ 0 m (RB / SB)|The maximum thrust produced by each engine, while mounted in the aircraft. NOTE: Thrust varies significantly depending on speed & altitude.}}
! colspan="4" | Thrust to weight ratio @ 0 m (100%)
|-
! Condition || 100% || WEP
! 9m fuel || 20m fuel || 30m fuel || MTOW
|-
| ''Stationary'' || 3,470 kgf || N/A
| 0.46 || 0.42 || 0.40 || 0.39
|-
| ''Optimal'' || 3,470 kgf (0 km/h) || N/A
| 0.46 || 0.42 || 0.40 || 0.39
|-
|}

=== Survivability and armour ===
{{Specs-Avia-Armour}}


=== Modifications and economy ===
{{Specs-Economy}}

== Armaments ==
{{Specs-Avia-Armaments}}
=== Offensive armament ===
{{Specs-Avia-Offensive}}

{{main|M3 Browning (12.7 mm)}}

The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' is armed with:

* 4 x 12.7 mm M3 Browning machine guns, nose-mounted (300 rpg = 1,200 total)
* 2 x 12.7 mm M3 Browning machine guns, wing-mounted (300 rpg = 600 total)

=== Suspended armament ===
{{Specs-Avia-Suspended}}

{{main|LDGP Mk 81 (250 lb)|LDGP Mk 82 (500 lb)|LDGP Mk 83 (1,000 lb)|LDGP Mk 84 (2,000 lb)}}
{{main|FFAR Mighty Mouse|HVAR}}

The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' can be outfitted with the following ordnance:

* Without load
* 12 x HVAR rockets (inner pylons)
* 12 x HVAR rockets (outer pylons)
* 24 x HVAR rockets
* 42 x FFAR Mighty Mouse rockets
* 4 x 250 lb LDGP Mk 81 bombs (1,000 lb total)
* 4 x 500 lb LDGP Mk 82 bombs (2,000 lb total)
* 4 x 1,000 lb LDGP Mk 83 bombs (4,000 lb total)
* 2 x 2,000 lb LDGP Mk 84 bombs (4,000 lb total)

== Usage in battles ==

''Describe the tactics of playing in the aircraft, the features of using aircraft in a team and advice on tactics. Refrain from creating a "guide" - do not impose a single point of view, but instead, give the reader food for thought. Examine the most dangerous enemies and give recommendations on fighting them. If necessary, note the specifics of the game in different modes (AB, RB, SB).''

=== Pros and cons ===


'''Pros:'''

* Can carry heavy bombs
* Gets an airspawn on some maps

'''Cons:'''

* Rather slow, can be outrun by even the early jet bombers
* 12.7 mm armament does not do enough damage in the short engagement windows of jet dogfights
* Fragile, any 20+ mm calibre cannons will shred the aircraft if they hit
* Elevator locks up heavily above 800 km/h
* Loses a lot of speed on sharp turns

== History ==

''Describe the history of the creation and combat usage of the aircraft in more detail than in the introduction. If the historical reference turns out to be too long, take it to a separate article, taking a link to the article about the vehicle and adding a block "/History" (example: <nowiki>https://wiki.warthunder.com/(Vehicle-name)/History</nowiki>) and add a link to it here using the <code>main</code> template. Be sure to reference text and sources by using <code><nowiki><ref></ref></nowiki></code>, as well as adding them at the end of the article with <code><nowiki><references /></nowiki></code>. This section may also include the vehicle's dev blog entry (if applicable) and the in-game encyclopedia description (under <code><nowiki>=== In-game description ===</nowiki></code>, also if applicable).''
=== [[wt:en/news/6990-development-f-84f-thunderstreak-en|Devblog]] ===
In the late 1940’s, the manufacturer ‘Republic’ sought to improve the performance of the F-84 in order to bring it closer in line with the F-86 Sabre. As a result, it developed a new variant of the Thunderjet, designated F-84F. The new aircraft featured, among other changes, a new swept wing and a more powerful engine than its predecessor. Although Republic initially intended the new aircraft to be an extensive modernization of the base F-84, possessing a high degree of part compatibility with preceding variants, in the end, only less than 20% of the parts were interchangeable, resulting in the F-84F Thunderstreak becoming its own independent design.

Following its maiden flight in the early 1950’s, the F-84F was ordered into production. However, the USAF focus on strategic bombers at the time resulted in some critical component manufacturing processes being prioritized for bomber production, ultimately leading to a staggered production start of the new F-84F.

The Thunderstreak officially entered service with the USAF in 1954, but was quickly phased out of active service due to engine issues before being reactivated in the early 1960’s as tensions between the two superpowers began to rise again. Ultimately, the F-84F kept flying under American colors well into the early 1970’s before finally being retired as newer aircraft replaced the Thunderstreak in active service.

The F-84F was also widely exported to NATO members. Chiefly among them were Germany, France, Italy, Belgium, Greece, China, the Netherlands as well as others. In total, well over 2,100 F-84F Thunderstreaks were built, with the Greek Air Force being the last to retire their F-84Fs in 1991.

== Media ==
<gallery mode="packed" caption="F-84F (France) Devblog Images" heights="150">
File:F-84F (France) WTWallpaper 001.jpg|
File:F-84F (France) WTWallpaper 002.jpg|
</gallery>

== See also ==

''Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:''

* ''reference to the series of the aircraft;''
* ''links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.''

== External links ==


* [[wt:en/news/6990-development-f-84f-thunderstreak-en|[Devblog] F-84F Thunderstreak]]

{{France jet aircraft}}

F-84F (France)

2020-12-27T21:47:52Z

U11671543: cons

{{Specs-Card
|code=f-84f_france
|images={{Specs-Card-Image|GarageImage_{{PAGENAME}}.jpg}}
}}

== Description ==

The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a rank {{Specs|rank}} French jet fighter {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update "Hot Tracks"]].

== General info ==
=== Flight performance ===
{{Specs-Avia-Flight}}


{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="70%"
! rowspan="2" | Characteristics
! colspan="2" | Max Speed (km/h at 0 m - sea level)
! rowspan="2" | Max altitude (metres)
! colspan="2" | Turn time (seconds)
! colspan="2" | Rate of climb (metres/second)
! rowspan="2" | Take-off run (metres)
|-
! AB !! RB !! AB !! RB !! AB !! RB
|-
! Stock
| 1,089 || 1,066 || rowspan="2" | {{Specs|ceiling}} || 29.9 || 31.2 || 31.1 || 29.2 || rowspan="2" | 3,000
|-
! Upgraded
|1,111||1,102||26.3||28.0||45.5||38.0
|-
|}

==== Details ====
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="50%"
|-
! colspan="6" | Features
|-
! Combat flaps !! Take-off flaps !! Landing flaps !! Air brakes !! Arrestor gear !! Drogue chute
|-
| ✓ || ✓ || ✓ || ✓ || X || ✓ 
|-
|}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="50%"
|-
! colspan="7" | Limits
|-
! rowspan="2" | Wings (km/h)
! rowspan="2" | Gear (km/h)
! colspan="3" | Flaps (km/h)
! colspan="2" | Max Static G
|-
! Combat !! Take-off !! Landing !! + !! -
|-
| {{Specs|destruction|body}} || {{Specs|destruction|gear}} || 550 || 550 || 420 || ~10 || ~3
|-
|}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="4" | Optimal velocities (km/h)
|-
! Ailerons !! Rudder !! Elevators !! Radiator
|-
| < 630 || < 600 || < 650 || N/A
|-
|}

==== Engine performance ====
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="3" | Engine
! colspan="4" | Aircraft mass
|-
! colspan="2" | Engine name || Number
! colspan="2" | {{Annotation|Basic Mass|Mass of the aircraft with pilot and engine oil, but no fuel or weapons load}} || colspan="2" | Wing loading (full fuel)
|-
| colspan="2" | Wright J65-W-7 || 1
| colspan="2" | 7,057 kg || colspan="2" | 192 kg/m2
|-
! colspan="3" | Engine characteristics
! colspan="3" | Mass with fuel (no weapons load) || rowspan="2" | Max Takeoff Weight
|-
! Weight (each) || colspan="2" | Type
! 9m fuel || 20m fuel || 30m fuel
|-
| 1,260 kg || colspan="2" | Axial-flow turbojet
| 7,567 kg || 8,190 kg || 8,757 kg || 8,935 kg
|-
! colspan="3" | {{Annotation|Maximum engine thrust @ 0 m (RB / SB)|The maximum thrust produced by each engine, while mounted in the aircraft. NOTE: Thrust varies significantly depending on speed & altitude.}}
! colspan="4" | Thrust to weight ratio @ 0 m (100%)
|-
! Condition || 100% || WEP
! 9m fuel || 20m fuel || 30m fuel || MTOW
|-
| ''Stationary'' || 3,470 kgf || N/A
| 0.46 || 0.42 || 0.40 || 0.39
|-
| ''Optimal'' || 3,470 kgf (0 km/h) || N/A
| 0.46 || 0.42 || 0.40 || 0.39
|-
|}

=== Survivability and armour ===
{{Specs-Avia-Armour}}


=== Modifications and economy ===
{{Specs-Economy}}

== Armaments ==
{{Specs-Avia-Armaments}}
=== Offensive armament ===
{{Specs-Avia-Offensive}}

{{main|M3 Browning (12.7 mm)}}

The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' is armed with:

* 4 x 12.7 mm M3 Browning machine guns, nose-mounted (300 rpg = 1,200 total)
* 2 x 12.7 mm M3 Browning machine guns, wing-mounted (300 rpg = 600 total)

=== Suspended armament ===
{{Specs-Avia-Suspended}}

{{main|LDGP Mk 81 (250 lb)|LDGP Mk 82 (500 lb)|LDGP Mk 83 (1,000 lb)|LDGP Mk 84 (2,000 lb)}}
{{main|FFAR Mighty Mouse|HVAR}}

The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' can be outfitted with the following ordnance:

* Without load
* 12 x HVAR rockets (inner pylons)
* 12 x HVAR rockets (outer pylons)
* 24 x HVAR rockets
* 42 x FFAR Mighty Mouse rockets
* 4 x 250 lb LDGP Mk 81 bombs (1,000 lb total)
* 4 x 500 lb LDGP Mk 82 bombs (2,000 lb total)
* 4 x 1,000 lb LDGP Mk 83 bombs (4,000 lb total)
* 2 x 2,000 lb LDGP Mk 84 bombs (4,000 lb total)

== Usage in battles ==

''Describe the tactics of playing in the aircraft, the features of using aircraft in a team and advice on tactics. Refrain from creating a "guide" - do not impose a single point of view, but instead, give the reader food for thought. Examine the most dangerous enemies and give recommendations on fighting them. If necessary, note the specifics of the game in different modes (AB, RB, SB).''

=== Pros and cons ===


'''Pros:'''

* Can carry bombs
* Gets an airspawn on some maps

'''Cons:'''

* Rather slow, can be outrun by even the early jet bombers
* 12.7 mm armament does not do enough damage in the short engagement windows of jet dogfights
* Fragile, any 20+ mm calibre cannons will shred the aircraft if they hit
* Elevator locks up heavily above 800 km/h
* Loses speed on sharp turns

== History ==

''Describe the history of the creation and combat usage of the aircraft in more detail than in the introduction. If the historical reference turns out to be too long, take it to a separate article, taking a link to the article about the vehicle and adding a block "/History" (example: <nowiki>https://wiki.warthunder.com/(Vehicle-name)/History</nowiki>) and add a link to it here using the <code>main</code> template. Be sure to reference text and sources by using <code><nowiki><ref></ref></nowiki></code>, as well as adding them at the end of the article with <code><nowiki><references /></nowiki></code>. This section may also include the vehicle's dev blog entry (if applicable) and the in-game encyclopedia description (under <code><nowiki>=== In-game description ===</nowiki></code>, also if applicable).''
=== [[wt:en/news/6990-development-f-84f-thunderstreak-en|Devblog]] ===
In the late 1940’s, the manufacturer ‘Republic’ sought to improve the performance of the F-84 in order to bring it closer in line with the F-86 Sabre. As a result, it developed a new variant of the Thunderjet, designated F-84F. The new aircraft featured, among other changes, a new swept wing and a more powerful engine than its predecessor. Although Republic initially intended the new aircraft to be an extensive modernization of the base F-84, possessing a high degree of part compatibility with preceding variants, in the end, only less than 20% of the parts were interchangeable, resulting in the F-84F Thunderstreak becoming its own independent design.

Following its maiden flight in the early 1950’s, the F-84F was ordered into production. However, the USAF focus on strategic bombers at the time resulted in some critical component manufacturing processes being prioritized for bomber production, ultimately leading to a staggered production start of the new F-84F.

The Thunderstreak officially entered service with the USAF in 1954, but was quickly phased out of active service due to engine issues before being reactivated in the early 1960’s as tensions between the two superpowers began to rise again. Ultimately, the F-84F kept flying under American colors well into the early 1970’s before finally being retired as newer aircraft replaced the Thunderstreak in active service.

The F-84F was also widely exported to NATO members. Chiefly among them were Germany, France, Italy, Belgium, Greece, China, the Netherlands as well as others. In total, well over 2,100 F-84F Thunderstreaks were built, with the Greek Air Force being the last to retire their F-84Fs in 1991.

== Media ==
<gallery mode="packed" caption="F-84F (France) Devblog Images" heights="150">
File:F-84F (France) WTWallpaper 001.jpg|
File:F-84F (France) WTWallpaper 002.jpg|
</gallery>

== See also ==

''Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:''

* ''reference to the series of the aircraft;''
* ''links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.''

== External links ==


* [[wt:en/news/6990-development-f-84f-thunderstreak-en|[Devblog] F-84F Thunderstreak]]

{{France jet aircraft}}

Mirage IIIC

2020-12-26T20:55:22Z

U11671543: Pros and Cons error repair

{{Specs-Card
|code=mirage_3c
|images={{Specs-Card-Image|GarageImage_{{PAGENAME}}.jpg}}
|cockpit=cockpit_mirage_3c.jpg
}}

== Description ==

The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a rank {{Specs|rank}} French jet fighter {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update "Starfighters"]].

== General info ==
=== Flight performance ===
{{Specs-Avia-Flight}}


{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="70%"
! rowspan="2" | Characteristics
! colspan="2" | Max Speed (km/h at 12,000 m)
! rowspan="2" | Max altitude (metres)
! colspan="2" | Turn time (seconds)
! colspan="2" | Rate of climb (metres/second)
! rowspan="2" | Take-off run (metres)
|-
! AB !! RB !! AB !! RB !! AB !! RB
|-
! Stock
| 2,087 || 2,045 || rowspan="2" | {{Specs|ceiling}} || 29.5 || 30.1 || 109.3 || 97.7 || rowspan="2" | 750
|-
! Upgraded
| 2,238 || 2,160 || 26.7 || 28.0 || 173.1 || 140.0
|-
|}

==== Details ====
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="50%"
|-
! colspan="6" | Features
|-
! Combat flaps !! Take-off flaps !! Landing flaps !! Air brakes !! Arrestor gear !! Drogue chute
|-
| X || X || X || ✓ || X || ✓ 
|-
|}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="50%"
|-
! colspan="7" | Limits
|-
! rowspan="2" | Wings (km/h)
! rowspan="2" | Gear (km/h)
! colspan="3" | Flaps (km/h)
! colspan="2" | Max Static G
|-
! Combat !! Take-off !! Landing !! + !! -
|-
| {{Specs|destruction|body}} || {{Specs|destruction|gear}} || N/A || N/A || N/A || ~12 || ~5
|-
|}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="4" | Optimal velocities (km/h)
|-
! Ailerons !! Rudder !! Elevators !! Radiator
|-
| < 920 || < 750 || < 650 || N/A
|-
|}

==== Engine performance ====
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="3" | Engine
! colspan="5" | Aircraft mass
|-
! colspan="2" | Engine name || Number
! colspan="2" | {{Annotation|Basic Mass|Mass of the aircraft with pilot and engine oil, but no fuel or weapons load}} || colspan="3" | Wing loading (full fuel, no booster)
|-
| colspan="2" | SNECMA Atar 9B || 1
| colspan="2" | 6,340 kg || colspan="3" | 258 kg/m2
|-
! colspan="3" | Engine characteristics
! colspan="4" | Mass with fuel (no weapons load, no booster) || rowspan="2" | Max Takeoff Weight
|-
! Weight (each) || colspan="2" | Type
! 13m fuel || 20m fuel || 30m fuel || 44m fuel
|-
| 1,450 kg || colspan="2" | Afterburning axial-flow turbojet
| 6,891 kg || 7,188 kg || 7,612 kg || 8,206 kg || 10,950 kg
|-
! colspan="3" | {{Annotation|Maximum engine thrust @ 0 m (RB / SB)|The maximum thrust produced by each engine, while mounted in the aircraft. NOTE: Thrust varies significantly depending on speed & altitude.}}
! colspan="5" | Thrust to weight ratio @ 0 m (WEP, no booster)
|-
! Condition || 100% || WEP
! 13m fuel || 20m fuel || 30m fuel || 44m fuel || MTOW
|-
| ''Stationary'' || 4,230 kgf || 6,090 kgf
| 0.88 || 0.85 || 0.80 || 0.74 || 0.56
|-
| ''Optimal'' || 5,118 kgf (1,200 km/h) || 8,105 kgf (1,200 km/h)
| 1.18 || 1.13 || 1.06 || 0.99 || 0.74
|-
|}

=== Survivability and armour ===
{{Specs-Avia-Armour}}

The Mirage IIIC has no armour and is very susceptible to damage. Hits that do not outright destroy the aircraft will severely hamper manoeuvrability and performance. A damaged engine will require immediate landing, since the aircraft loses a lot of energy while turning, the loss of power will be very noticeable. Wing or tail/rudder damage will result in flatspins if the aircraft is taken to low speeds or if too many G's are pulled.

Overall, if damaged, a pilot should seek to land as soon as possible while attempting to make as few manoeuvres as possible.

=== Modifications and economy ===
{{Specs-Economy}}

== Armaments ==
{{Specs-Avia-Armaments}}
=== Suspended armament ===
{{Specs-Avia-Suspended}}

{{main|SAMP Type 25 (250 kg)|SAMP Type 21 (400 kg)|SNEB type 23|DEFA 552A (30 mm)}}
{{main|AIM-9B Sidewinder|AS-30 Nord|Matra R530|Matra R530E|Matra R550 Magic 1}}

The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' can be outfitted with the following ordnance:

* 2 x 30 mm DEFA 552A cannons (125 rpg = 250 total)
* 2 x 30 mm DEFA 552A cannons + 2 x AIM-9B Sidewinder missiles
* 2 x 30 mm DEFA 552A cannons + 1 x Matra R530E missile
* 2 x 30 mm DEFA 552A cannons + 1 x Matra R530 missile
* 2 x 30 mm DEFA 552A cannons + 2 x Matra R550 Magic 1 missiles
* 2 x 30 mm DEFA 552A cannons + 1 x Matra R530E missile + 2 x AIM-9B Sidewinder missiles
* 2 x 30 mm DEFA 552A cannons + 1 x Matra R530E missile + 2 x Matra R550 Magic 1 missiles
* 2 x 30 mm DEFA 552A cannons + 1 x Matra R530E missile + 36 x SNEB type 23 rockets + 2 x AIM-9B Sidewinder missiles
* 2 x 30 mm DEFA 552A cannons + 1 x Matra R530E missile + 36 x SNEB type 23 rockets + 2 x Matra R550 Magic 1 missiles
* 2 x 30 mm DEFA 552A cannons + 1 x Matra R530 missile + 2 x AIM-9B Sidewinder missiles
* 2 x 30 mm DEFA 552A cannons + 1 x Matra R530 missile + 2 x Matra R550 Magic 1 missiles
* 2 x 30 mm DEFA 552A cannons + 1 x Matra R530 missile + 36 x SNEB type 23 rockets + 2 x AIM-9B Sidewinder missiles
* 2 x 30 mm DEFA 552A cannons + 1 x Matra R530 missile + 36 x SNEB type 23 rockets + 2 x Matra R550 Magic 1 missiles
* 2 x 30 mm DEFA 552A cannons + 1 x AS-30 Nord missile + 36 x SNEB type 23 rockets
* 2 x 30 mm DEFA 552A cannons + 1 x AS-30 Nord missile + 72 x SNEB type 23 rockets
* 2 x 30 mm DEFA 552A cannons + 2 x 250 kg SAMP Type 25 bombs (500 kg total)
* 2 x 30 mm DEFA 552A cannons + 2 x 400 kg SAMP Type 21 bombs (800 kg total)
* 2 x 30 mm DEFA 552A cannons + 2 x 250 kg SAMP Type 25 bombs + 2 x AIM-9B Sidewinder missiles (500 kg total)
* 2 x 30 mm DEFA 552A cannons + 2 x 250 kg SAMP Type 25 bombs + 2 x Matra R550 Magic 1 missiles (500 kg total)
* 2 x 30 mm DEFA 552A cannons + 2 x 250 kg SAMP Type 25 bombs + 36 x SNEB type 23 rockets (500 kg total)
* 2 x 30 mm DEFA 552A cannons + 2 x 250 kg SAMP Type 25 bombs + 72 x SNEB type 23 rockets (500 kg total)
* 2 x 30 mm DEFA 552A cannons + 2 x 400 kg SAMP Type 21 bombs + 2 x AIM-9B Sidewinder missiles (800 kg total)
* 2 x 30 mm DEFA 552A cannons + 2 x 400 kg SAMP Type 21 bombs + 2 x Matra R550 Magic 1 missiles (800 kg total)
* 2 x 30 mm DEFA 552A cannons + 2 x 400 kg SAMP Type 21 bombs + 36 x SNEB type 23 rockets (800 kg total)
* 2 x 30 mm DEFA 552A cannons + 2 x 400 kg SAMP Type 21 bombs + 72 x SNEB type 23 rockets (800 kg total)
* 2 x AIM-9B Sidewinder missiles
* 2 x Matra R550 Magic 1 missiles

== Usage in battles ==

The Mirage IIIC is a multirole strike fighter which can be used in a wide variety of roles from air-to-air and a really limited role in air-to-ground.

'''When in air battles:'''

The Mirage IIIC is one of the most feared planes in the sky, not only because of its speed but because of its powerful air-to-air missiles. The Mirage has a wide range of AAMs featuring both IR seeker and radar-guided missiles: the AIM-9B, Matra R550 Magic 1, Matra R530E and the Matra R530. Each of the missiles has its pros and cons which will be explained. It should be noted that the Mirage '''should not be used as a bomber in Air Realistic battles''' due to its mediocre bomb payload.

''AIM-9B:''

This is one of the most universal and basic IR AAM which is available in many nations. Although they are one of the easiest missiles to evade, their speed and range make them deadly against unaware enemies.

''Matra R550 Magic 1:''

This is a unique French IR AAM which is hard to evade without the use of flares due to its high speed, G-limit and firing range. They are similar to the [[SRAAM]] missiles in terms of use due to its G-limit. The main difference is that the R550 does not have a thrust vectoring system, meaning it has to gain speed when launched in order to make turns which differs from SRAAM which can turn while gaining speed in super short distances (less than 1 km but greater than 200 m) due to the vectoring thrust.

''Matra R530E:''

This IR AAM has a tremendous explosive power, speed, and firing range. Despite not being the most agile AAM in the game, they are the best IR long range AAM. This comes with a cost, the Mirage only has access to 1 carried on the belly pylon. This missile should only be used when chasing enemy planes in a run, not while turning. The main downside is fighting against planes with Infrared Countermeasures (IRCM) and Missile Alert Warning (MAW) which will automatically dump flares upon detecting the missile.

''Matra R530:''

This is the biggest radar-guided AAM in the game, exactly the same as the R530E but with radar guidance and without a maximum lock-on range in rear aspect, meaning it can be fired at any target locked by the radar no matter the aspect (rear, front, side, etc). The main downsides of this missile are the same as the R530E but this time it loses its "stealth" factor as many planes carry Radar Warning Receivers (RWR). MAW, IRCM and flares will not affect the performance of the missile as the only way to evade a radar lock-on missile is to escape from the radar range and azimuth or by causing interference using the ground (refer to [[Airborne radars#Clutter]]).

Take the required payload upon discretion.

'''When in ground battles:'''

The Mirage has a decent payload when in GRB. Although limited, the Mirage can do competitive CAS runs with the SNEB rocket pods, bombs, and Nord AGMs. With the help of the ballistic computer, the Mirage is capable of enhancing the accuracy of this armament in addition to its 30 mm gun pods. It should be noted that the amount of ordnance is really small (only 36 x SNEB rockets, 2 x 400 kg bombs, 2 x 250 kg bombs, or 1 x AS-30 Nord AGM) but can be deadly in a good pilot's hands.

=== Pros and cons ===


'''Pros:'''

* Magic missiles have very high probability of kill (as of latest patches they are now normal mistiles that pull 30 G like the rest)
* 30 mm cannons are nose-mounted, so there is little need for convergence
* Very manoeuvrable
* Variety of suspended armament is vast (yet cant take adictional rocket engine with more than 2 options from them all)

'''Cons:'''

* Bleeds energy at high angles of attack
* Relatively low thrust to weight ratio for its battle rating
* No armour
* Engine thrust is based of speed

== History ==


The Dassault Mirage IIIC is an upgrade of the Mirage IIIA, the IIIC is slightly longer than the IIIA. A notable Mirage III variant is the Mirage IIIV which was VTOL capable and supersonic capable but never in the same flight.

The Mirage III was operated by France, Argentina, Australia, Brazil, Chile, Spain, Israel (they also made their own variants), Lebanon, Portugal (loaned), South Africa, Switzerland, Abu Dhabi and Venezuela.

It is still operated by the Pakistan Air Force and 1 is operated in Switzerland by a civilian company. Pakistan retrofit their Mirage III and Mirage 5 that were in service with the ROSE system, this retrofit refit the fighters with new parts such as the HUD, HOTAS, radar warning receiver and navigation systems.

== Media ==


;Skins

* [https://live.warthunder.com/feed/camouflages/?vehicleCountry=france&vehicleType=aircraft&vehicleClass=fighter&vehicle=mirage_3c Skins and camouflages for the {{PAGENAME}} from live.warthunder.com.]

;Videos
{{Youtube-gallery|QAA4S31Hbhw|'''The Shooting Range #202''' - ''Pages of History'' section at 04:40 discusses the Mirage III.|rpp-GqXiaKg|'''The Shooting Range #214''' - ''Metal Beasts'' section at 00:27 discusses the {{PAGENAME}}.}}

== See also ==

''Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:''

* ''reference to the series of the aircraft;''
* ''links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.''

== External links ==


* [[wt:en/news/6728-development-mirage-iiic-an-illusive-figure-en|[Devblog] Mirage IIIC: An Illusive Figure]]

{{AirManufacturer Bloch}}
{{France jet aircraft}}

Mirage IIIC

2020-12-26T20:52:21Z

U11671543: Pros and Cons Update to lastest patches

{{Specs-Card
|code=mirage_3c
|images={{Specs-Card-Image|GarageImage_{{PAGENAME}}.jpg}}
|cockpit=cockpit_mirage_3c.jpg
}}

== Description ==

The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a rank {{Specs|rank}} French jet fighter {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update "Starfighters"]].

== General info ==
=== Flight performance ===
{{Specs-Avia-Flight}}


{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="70%"
! rowspan="2" | Characteristics
! colspan="2" | Max Speed (km/h at 12,000 m)
! rowspan="2" | Max altitude (metres)
! colspan="2" | Turn time (seconds)
! colspan="2" | Rate of climb (metres/second)
! rowspan="2" | Take-off run (metres)
|-
! AB !! RB !! AB !! RB !! AB !! RB
|-
! Stock
| 2,087 || 2,045 || rowspan="2" | {{Specs|ceiling}} || 29.5 || 30.1 || 109.3 || 97.7 || rowspan="2" | 750
|-
! Upgraded
| 2,238 || 2,160 || 26.7 || 28.0 || 173.1 || 140.0
|-
|}

==== Details ====
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="50%"
|-
! colspan="6" | Features
|-
! Combat flaps !! Take-off flaps !! Landing flaps !! Air brakes !! Arrestor gear !! Drogue chute
|-
| X || X || X || ✓ || X || ✓ 
|-
|}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="50%"
|-
! colspan="7" | Limits
|-
! rowspan="2" | Wings (km/h)
! rowspan="2" | Gear (km/h)
! colspan="3" | Flaps (km/h)
! colspan="2" | Max Static G
|-
! Combat !! Take-off !! Landing !! + !! -
|-
| {{Specs|destruction|body}} || {{Specs|destruction|gear}} || N/A || N/A || N/A || ~12 || ~5
|-
|}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="4" | Optimal velocities (km/h)
|-
! Ailerons !! Rudder !! Elevators !! Radiator
|-
| < 920 || < 750 || < 650 || N/A
|-
|}

==== Engine performance ====
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="3" | Engine
! colspan="5" | Aircraft mass
|-
! colspan="2" | Engine name || Number
! colspan="2" | {{Annotation|Basic Mass|Mass of the aircraft with pilot and engine oil, but no fuel or weapons load}} || colspan="3" | Wing loading (full fuel, no booster)
|-
| colspan="2" | SNECMA Atar 9B || 1
| colspan="2" | 6,340 kg || colspan="3" | 258 kg/m2
|-
! colspan="3" | Engine characteristics
! colspan="4" | Mass with fuel (no weapons load, no booster) || rowspan="2" | Max Takeoff Weight
|-
! Weight (each) || colspan="2" | Type
! 13m fuel || 20m fuel || 30m fuel || 44m fuel
|-
| 1,450 kg || colspan="2" | Afterburning axial-flow turbojet
| 6,891 kg || 7,188 kg || 7,612 kg || 8,206 kg || 10,950 kg
|-
! colspan="3" | {{Annotation|Maximum engine thrust @ 0 m (RB / SB)|The maximum thrust produced by each engine, while mounted in the aircraft. NOTE: Thrust varies significantly depending on speed & altitude.}}
! colspan="5" | Thrust to weight ratio @ 0 m (WEP, no booster)
|-
! Condition || 100% || WEP
! 13m fuel || 20m fuel || 30m fuel || 44m fuel || MTOW
|-
| ''Stationary'' || 4,230 kgf || 6,090 kgf
| 0.88 || 0.85 || 0.80 || 0.74 || 0.56
|-
| ''Optimal'' || 5,118 kgf (1,200 km/h) || 8,105 kgf (1,200 km/h)
| 1.18 || 1.13 || 1.06 || 0.99 || 0.74
|-
|}

=== Survivability and armour ===
{{Specs-Avia-Armour}}

The Mirage IIIC has no armour and is very susceptible to damage. Hits that do not outright destroy the aircraft will severely hamper manoeuvrability and performance. A damaged engine will require immediate landing, since the aircraft loses a lot of energy while turning, the loss of power will be very noticeable. Wing or tail/rudder damage will result in flatspins if the aircraft is taken to low speeds or if too many G's are pulled.

Overall, if damaged, a pilot should seek to land as soon as possible while attempting to make as few manoeuvres as possible.

=== Modifications and economy ===
{{Specs-Economy}}

== Armaments ==
{{Specs-Avia-Armaments}}
=== Suspended armament ===
{{Specs-Avia-Suspended}}

{{main|SAMP Type 25 (250 kg)|SAMP Type 21 (400 kg)|SNEB type 23|DEFA 552A (30 mm)}}
{{main|AIM-9B Sidewinder|AS-30 Nord|Matra R530|Matra R530E|Matra R550 Magic 1}}

The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' can be outfitted with the following ordnance:

* 2 x 30 mm DEFA 552A cannons (125 rpg = 250 total)
* 2 x 30 mm DEFA 552A cannons + 2 x AIM-9B Sidewinder missiles
* 2 x 30 mm DEFA 552A cannons + 1 x Matra R530E missile
* 2 x 30 mm DEFA 552A cannons + 1 x Matra R530 missile
* 2 x 30 mm DEFA 552A cannons + 2 x Matra R550 Magic 1 missiles
* 2 x 30 mm DEFA 552A cannons + 1 x Matra R530E missile + 2 x AIM-9B Sidewinder missiles
* 2 x 30 mm DEFA 552A cannons + 1 x Matra R530E missile + 2 x Matra R550 Magic 1 missiles
* 2 x 30 mm DEFA 552A cannons + 1 x Matra R530E missile + 36 x SNEB type 23 rockets + 2 x AIM-9B Sidewinder missiles
* 2 x 30 mm DEFA 552A cannons + 1 x Matra R530E missile + 36 x SNEB type 23 rockets + 2 x Matra R550 Magic 1 missiles
* 2 x 30 mm DEFA 552A cannons + 1 x Matra R530 missile + 2 x AIM-9B Sidewinder missiles
* 2 x 30 mm DEFA 552A cannons + 1 x Matra R530 missile + 2 x Matra R550 Magic 1 missiles
* 2 x 30 mm DEFA 552A cannons + 1 x Matra R530 missile + 36 x SNEB type 23 rockets + 2 x AIM-9B Sidewinder missiles
* 2 x 30 mm DEFA 552A cannons + 1 x Matra R530 missile + 36 x SNEB type 23 rockets + 2 x Matra R550 Magic 1 missiles
* 2 x 30 mm DEFA 552A cannons + 1 x AS-30 Nord missile + 36 x SNEB type 23 rockets
* 2 x 30 mm DEFA 552A cannons + 1 x AS-30 Nord missile + 72 x SNEB type 23 rockets
* 2 x 30 mm DEFA 552A cannons + 2 x 250 kg SAMP Type 25 bombs (500 kg total)
* 2 x 30 mm DEFA 552A cannons + 2 x 400 kg SAMP Type 21 bombs (800 kg total)
* 2 x 30 mm DEFA 552A cannons + 2 x 250 kg SAMP Type 25 bombs + 2 x AIM-9B Sidewinder missiles (500 kg total)
* 2 x 30 mm DEFA 552A cannons + 2 x 250 kg SAMP Type 25 bombs + 2 x Matra R550 Magic 1 missiles (500 kg total)
* 2 x 30 mm DEFA 552A cannons + 2 x 250 kg SAMP Type 25 bombs + 36 x SNEB type 23 rockets (500 kg total)
* 2 x 30 mm DEFA 552A cannons + 2 x 250 kg SAMP Type 25 bombs + 72 x SNEB type 23 rockets (500 kg total)
* 2 x 30 mm DEFA 552A cannons + 2 x 400 kg SAMP Type 21 bombs + 2 x AIM-9B Sidewinder missiles (800 kg total)
* 2 x 30 mm DEFA 552A cannons + 2 x 400 kg SAMP Type 21 bombs + 2 x Matra R550 Magic 1 missiles (800 kg total)
* 2 x 30 mm DEFA 552A cannons + 2 x 400 kg SAMP Type 21 bombs + 36 x SNEB type 23 rockets (800 kg total)
* 2 x 30 mm DEFA 552A cannons + 2 x 400 kg SAMP Type 21 bombs + 72 x SNEB type 23 rockets (800 kg total)
* 2 x AIM-9B Sidewinder missiles
* 2 x Matra R550 Magic 1 missiles

== Usage in battles ==

The Mirage IIIC is a multirole strike fighter which can be used in a wide variety of roles from air-to-air and a really limited role in air-to-ground.

'''When in air battles:'''

The Mirage IIIC is one of the most feared planes in the sky, not only because of its speed but because of its powerful air-to-air missiles. The Mirage has a wide range of AAMs featuring both IR seeker and radar-guided missiles: the AIM-9B, Matra R550 Magic 1, Matra R530E and the Matra R530. Each of the missiles has its pros and cons which will be explained. It should be noted that the Mirage '''should not be used as a bomber in Air Realistic battles''' due to its mediocre bomb payload.

''AIM-9B:''

This is one of the most universal and basic IR AAM which is available in many nations. Although they are one of the easiest missiles to evade, their speed and range make them deadly against unaware enemies.

''Matra R550 Magic 1:''

This is a unique French IR AAM which is hard to evade without the use of flares due to its high speed, G-limit and firing range. They are similar to the [[SRAAM]] missiles in terms of use due to its G-limit. The main difference is that the R550 does not have a thrust vectoring system, meaning it has to gain speed when launched in order to make turns which differs from SRAAM which can turn while gaining speed in super short distances (less than 1 km but greater than 200 m) due to the vectoring thrust.

''Matra R530E:''

This IR AAM has a tremendous explosive power, speed, and firing range. Despite not being the most agile AAM in the game, they are the best IR long range AAM. This comes with a cost, the Mirage only has access to 1 carried on the belly pylon. This missile should only be used when chasing enemy planes in a run, not while turning. The main downside is fighting against planes with Infrared Countermeasures (IRCM) and Missile Alert Warning (MAW) which will automatically dump flares upon detecting the missile.

''Matra R530:''

This is the biggest radar-guided AAM in the game, exactly the same as the R530E but with radar guidance and without a maximum lock-on range in rear aspect, meaning it can be fired at any target locked by the radar no matter the aspect (rear, front, side, etc). The main downsides of this missile are the same as the R530E but this time it loses its "stealth" factor as many planes carry Radar Warning Receivers (RWR). MAW, IRCM and flares will not affect the performance of the missile as the only way to evade a radar lock-on missile is to escape from the radar range and azimuth or by causing interference using the ground (refer to [[Airborne radars#Clutter]]).

Take the required payload upon discretion.

'''When in ground battles:'''

The Mirage has a decent payload when in GRB. Although limited, the Mirage can do competitive CAS runs with the SNEB rocket pods, bombs, and Nord AGMs. With the help of the ballistic computer, the Mirage is capable of enhancing the accuracy of this armament in addition to its 30 mm gun pods. It should be noted that the amount of ordnance is really small (only 36 x SNEB rockets, 2 x 400 kg bombs, 2 x 250 kg bombs, or 1 x AS-30 Nord AGM) but can be deadly in a good pilot's hands.

=== Pros and cons ===


'''Pros:'''

* Magic missiles have very high probability of kill (as of latest patches they are now normal mistiles that pull 30 G like the rest)
* Long range Matra R530E missile allows you to catch pilots by surprise (if they do not have info abaut radar lock on)
* 30 mm cannons are nose-mounted, so there is little need for convergence
* Very manoeuvrable
* Variety of suspended armament is vast (yet cant take adictional rocket engine with more than 2 options from them all)

'''Cons:'''

* Bleeds energy at high angles of attack
* Relatively low thrust to weight ratio for its battle rating
* No armour
* Engine thrust is based of speed

== History ==


The Dassault Mirage IIIC is an upgrade of the Mirage IIIA, the IIIC is slightly longer than the IIIA. A notable Mirage III variant is the Mirage IIIV which was VTOL capable and supersonic capable but never in the same flight.

The Mirage III was operated by France, Argentina, Australia, Brazil, Chile, Spain, Israel (they also made their own variants), Lebanon, Portugal (loaned), South Africa, Switzerland, Abu Dhabi and Venezuela.

It is still operated by the Pakistan Air Force and 1 is operated in Switzerland by a civilian company. Pakistan retrofit their Mirage III and Mirage 5 that were in service with the ROSE system, this retrofit refit the fighters with new parts such as the HUD, HOTAS, radar warning receiver and navigation systems.

== Media ==


;Skins

* [https://live.warthunder.com/feed/camouflages/?vehicleCountry=france&vehicleType=aircraft&vehicleClass=fighter&vehicle=mirage_3c Skins and camouflages for the {{PAGENAME}} from live.warthunder.com.]

;Videos
{{Youtube-gallery|QAA4S31Hbhw|'''The Shooting Range #202''' - ''Pages of History'' section at 04:40 discusses the Mirage III.|rpp-GqXiaKg|'''The Shooting Range #214''' - ''Metal Beasts'' section at 00:27 discusses the {{PAGENAME}}.}}

== See also ==

''Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:''

* ''reference to the series of the aircraft;''
* ''links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.''

== External links ==


* [[wt:en/news/6728-development-mirage-iiic-an-illusive-figure-en|[Devblog] Mirage IIIC: An Illusive Figure]]

{{AirManufacturer Bloch}}
{{France jet aircraft}}

F-84F (France)

2020-12-26T20:34:33Z

U11671543: /* Pros and cons */

{{Specs-Card
|code=f-84f_france
|images={{Specs-Card-Image|GarageImage_{{PAGENAME}}.jpg}}
}}

== Description ==

The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a rank {{Specs|rank}} French jet fighter {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update "Hot Tracks"]].

== General info ==
=== Flight performance ===
{{Specs-Avia-Flight}}


{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="70%"
! rowspan="2" | Characteristics
! colspan="2" | Max Speed (km/h at 0 m - sea level)
! rowspan="2" | Max altitude (metres)
! colspan="2" | Turn time (seconds)
! colspan="2" | Rate of climb (metres/second)
! rowspan="2" | Take-off run (metres)
|-
! AB !! RB !! AB !! RB !! AB !! RB
|-
! Stock
| 1,089 || 1,066 || rowspan="2" | {{Specs|ceiling}} || 29.9 || 31.2 || 31.1 || 29.2 || rowspan="2" | 3,000
|-
! Upgraded
|1,111||1,102||26.3||28.0||45.5||38.0
|-
|}

==== Details ====
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="50%"
|-
! colspan="6" | Features
|-
! Combat flaps !! Take-off flaps !! Landing flaps !! Air brakes !! Arrestor gear !! Drogue chute
|-
| ✓ || ✓ || ✓ || ✓ || X || ✓ 
|-
|}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="50%"
|-
! colspan="7" | Limits
|-
! rowspan="2" | Wings (km/h)
! rowspan="2" | Gear (km/h)
! colspan="3" | Flaps (km/h)
! colspan="2" | Max Static G
|-
! Combat !! Take-off !! Landing !! + !! -
|-
| {{Specs|destruction|body}} || {{Specs|destruction|gear}} || 550 || 550 || 420 || ~10 || ~3
|-
|}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="4" | Optimal velocities (km/h)
|-
! Ailerons !! Rudder !! Elevators !! Radiator
|-
| < 630 || < 600 || < 650 || N/A
|-
|}

==== Engine performance ====
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="3" | Engine
! colspan="4" | Aircraft mass
|-
! colspan="2" | Engine name || Number
! colspan="2" | {{Annotation|Basic Mass|Mass of the aircraft with pilot and engine oil, but no fuel or weapons load}} || colspan="2" | Wing loading (full fuel)
|-
| colspan="2" | Wright J65-W-7 || 1
| colspan="2" | 7,057 kg || colspan="2" | 192 kg/m2
|-
! colspan="3" | Engine characteristics
! colspan="3" | Mass with fuel (no weapons load) || rowspan="2" | Max Takeoff Weight
|-
! Weight (each) || colspan="2" | Type
! 9m fuel || 20m fuel || 30m fuel
|-
| 1,260 kg || colspan="2" | Axial-flow turbojet
| 7,567 kg || 8,190 kg || 8,757 kg || 8,935 kg
|-
! colspan="3" | {{Annotation|Maximum engine thrust @ 0 m (RB / SB)|The maximum thrust produced by each engine, while mounted in the aircraft. NOTE: Thrust varies significantly depending on speed & altitude.}}
! colspan="4" | Thrust to weight ratio @ 0 m (100%)
|-
! Condition || 100% || WEP
! 9m fuel || 20m fuel || 30m fuel || MTOW
|-
| ''Stationary'' || 3,470 kgf || N/A
| 0.46 || 0.42 || 0.40 || 0.39
|-
| ''Optimal'' || 3,470 kgf (0 km/h) || N/A
| 0.46 || 0.42 || 0.40 || 0.39
|-
|}

=== Survivability and armour ===
{{Specs-Avia-Armour}}


=== Modifications and economy ===
{{Specs-Economy}}

== Armaments ==
{{Specs-Avia-Armaments}}
=== Offensive armament ===
{{Specs-Avia-Offensive}}

{{main|M3 Browning (12.7 mm)}}

The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' is armed with:

* 4 x 12.7 mm M3 Browning machine guns, nose-mounted (300 rpg = 1,200 total)
* 2 x 12.7 mm M3 Browning machine guns, wing-mounted (300 rpg = 600 total)

=== Suspended armament ===
{{Specs-Avia-Suspended}}

{{main|LDGP Mk 81 (250 lb)|LDGP Mk 82 (500 lb)|LDGP Mk 83 (1,000 lb)|LDGP Mk 84 (2,000 lb)}}
{{main|FFAR Mighty Mouse|HVAR}}

The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' can be outfitted with the following ordnance:

* Without load
* 12 x HVAR rockets (inner pylons)
* 12 x HVAR rockets (outer pylons)
* 24 x HVAR rockets
* 42 x FFAR Mighty Mouse rockets
* 4 x 250 lb LDGP Mk 81 bombs (1,000 lb total)
* 4 x 500 lb LDGP Mk 82 bombs (2,000 lb total)
* 4 x 1,000 lb LDGP Mk 83 bombs (4,000 lb total)
* 2 x 2,000 lb LDGP Mk 84 bombs (4,000 lb total)

== Usage in battles ==

''Don't go for planes thay will kill you with ease research bombs asap start bombing bases or AA guns pray to research it all and go next plane''

repair cost is extreme for its posibilites even it it loses litle speed on turns once it loses it all it wil lbe dead anyway as engine does not alow to regain speed in time

=== Pros and cons ===

''Summarise and briefly evaluate the vehicle in terms of its characteristics and combat effectiveness. Mark its pros and cons in the bulleted list. Try not to use more than 6 points for each of the characteristics. Avoid using categorical definitions such as "bad", "good" and the like - use substitutions with softer forms such as "inadequate" and "effective".''

'''Pros:'''

* bombs

* if airfields are too short it will spawn already above airfield with speed around 660 km/h

*

'''Cons:'''

* Slowest plane ever on its br
* Cant outrurn even bombers when stock
* Cant catch jet-bombers by any method unles diving from air to get temporary speed
* often uptiered making you to fight with planes of 9.0 and above lika Vanatour that simply can go 1100 km/h making them absolutly inacesable as that plane cant reach its top speed before maps ends
* extremly weeak armament 12.7 mm best it can is damage wings or single engine before enemy accelerates away or outrurns you
* 30 m fuel is a max when stock consider that you lose around 7 m fuel to get into middle of map
* fragile most enemies has minimum 20+ mm canons that will shread you
* most it can pull is 8 G reliably when stock from dive archived 1000 km/h after than max it can go is 5 G when 600 km/h and less considered 500 km/h makes you a absolute brick

*

== History ==

''Describe the history of the creation and combat usage of the aircraft in more detail than in the introduction. If the historical reference turns out to be too long, take it to a separate article, taking a link to the article about the vehicle and adding a block "/History" (example: <nowiki>https://wiki.warthunder.com/(Vehicle-name)/History</nowiki>) and add a link to it here using the <code>main</code> template. Be sure to reference text and sources by using <code><nowiki><ref></ref></nowiki></code>, as well as adding them at the end of the article with <code><nowiki><references /></nowiki></code>. This section may also include the vehicle's dev blog entry (if applicable) and the in-game encyclopedia description (under <code><nowiki>=== In-game description ===</nowiki></code>, also if applicable).''
=== [[wt:en/news/6990-development-f-84f-thunderstreak-en|Devblog]] ===
In the late 1940’s, the manufacturer ‘Republic’ sought to improve the performance of the F-84 in order to bring it closer in line with the F-86 Sabre. As a result, it developed a new variant of the Thunderjet, designated F-84F. The new aircraft featured, among other changes, a new swept wing and a more powerful engine than its predecessor. Although Republic initially intended the new aircraft to be an extensive modernization of the base F-84, possessing a high degree of part compatibility with preceding variants, in the end, only less than 20% of the parts were interchangeable, resulting in the F-84F Thunderstreak becoming its own independent design.

Following its maiden flight in the early 1950’s, the F-84F was ordered into production. However, the USAF focus on strategic bombers at the time resulted in some critical component manufacturing processes being prioritized for bomber production, ultimately leading to a staggered production start of the new F-84F.

The Thunderstreak officially entered service with the USAF in 1954, but was quickly phased out of active service due to engine issues before being reactivated in the early 1960’s as tensions between the two superpowers began to rise again. Ultimately, the F-84F kept flying under American colors well into the early 1970’s before finally being retired as newer aircraft replaced the Thunderstreak in active service.

The F-84F was also widely exported to NATO members. Chiefly among them were Germany, France, Italy, Belgium, Greece, China, the Netherlands as well as others. In total, well over 2,100 F-84F Thunderstreaks were built, with the Greek Air Force being the last to retire their F-84Fs in 1991.

== Media ==
<gallery mode="packed" caption="F-84F (France) Devblog Images" heights="150">
File:F-84F (France) WTWallpaper 001.jpg|
File:F-84F (France) WTWallpaper 002.jpg|
</gallery>

== See also ==

''Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:''

* ''reference to the series of the aircraft;''
* ''links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.''

== External links ==


* [[wt:en/news/6990-development-f-84f-thunderstreak-en|[Devblog] F-84F Thunderstreak]]

{{France jet aircraft}}

F-84F (France)

2020-12-26T20:17:51Z

U11671543: /* Pros and cons */

{{Specs-Card
|code=f-84f_france
|images={{Specs-Card-Image|GarageImage_{{PAGENAME}}.jpg}}
}}

== Description ==

The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a rank {{Specs|rank}} French jet fighter {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update "Hot Tracks"]].

== General info ==
=== Flight performance ===
{{Specs-Avia-Flight}}


{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="70%"
! rowspan="2" | Characteristics
! colspan="2" | Max Speed (km/h at 0 m - sea level)
! rowspan="2" | Max altitude (metres)
! colspan="2" | Turn time (seconds)
! colspan="2" | Rate of climb (metres/second)
! rowspan="2" | Take-off run (metres)
|-
! AB !! RB !! AB !! RB !! AB !! RB
|-
! Stock
| 1,089 || 1,066 || rowspan="2" | {{Specs|ceiling}} || 29.9 || 31.2 || 31.1 || 29.2 || rowspan="2" | 3,000
|-
! Upgraded
|1,111||1,102||26.3||28.0||45.5||38.0
|-
|}

==== Details ====
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="50%"
|-
! colspan="6" | Features
|-
! Combat flaps !! Take-off flaps !! Landing flaps !! Air brakes !! Arrestor gear !! Drogue chute
|-
| ✓ || ✓ || ✓ || ✓ || X || ✓ 
|-
|}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="50%"
|-
! colspan="7" | Limits
|-
! rowspan="2" | Wings (km/h)
! rowspan="2" | Gear (km/h)
! colspan="3" | Flaps (km/h)
! colspan="2" | Max Static G
|-
! Combat !! Take-off !! Landing !! + !! -
|-
| {{Specs|destruction|body}} || {{Specs|destruction|gear}} || 550 || 550 || 420 || ~10 || ~3
|-
|}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="4" | Optimal velocities (km/h)
|-
! Ailerons !! Rudder !! Elevators !! Radiator
|-
| < 630 || < 600 || < 650 || N/A
|-
|}

==== Engine performance ====
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="3" | Engine
! colspan="4" | Aircraft mass
|-
! colspan="2" | Engine name || Number
! colspan="2" | {{Annotation|Basic Mass|Mass of the aircraft with pilot and engine oil, but no fuel or weapons load}} || colspan="2" | Wing loading (full fuel)
|-
| colspan="2" | Wright J65-W-7 || 1
| colspan="2" | 7,057 kg || colspan="2" | 192 kg/m2
|-
! colspan="3" | Engine characteristics
! colspan="3" | Mass with fuel (no weapons load) || rowspan="2" | Max Takeoff Weight
|-
! Weight (each) || colspan="2" | Type
! 9m fuel || 20m fuel || 30m fuel
|-
| 1,260 kg || colspan="2" | Axial-flow turbojet
| 7,567 kg || 8,190 kg || 8,757 kg || 8,935 kg
|-
! colspan="3" | {{Annotation|Maximum engine thrust @ 0 m (RB / SB)|The maximum thrust produced by each engine, while mounted in the aircraft. NOTE: Thrust varies significantly depending on speed & altitude.}}
! colspan="4" | Thrust to weight ratio @ 0 m (100%)
|-
! Condition || 100% || WEP
! 9m fuel || 20m fuel || 30m fuel || MTOW
|-
| ''Stationary'' || 3,470 kgf || N/A
| 0.46 || 0.42 || 0.40 || 0.39
|-
| ''Optimal'' || 3,470 kgf (0 km/h) || N/A
| 0.46 || 0.42 || 0.40 || 0.39
|-
|}

=== Survivability and armour ===
{{Specs-Avia-Armour}}


=== Modifications and economy ===
{{Specs-Economy}}

== Armaments ==
{{Specs-Avia-Armaments}}
=== Offensive armament ===
{{Specs-Avia-Offensive}}

{{main|M3 Browning (12.7 mm)}}

The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' is armed with:

* 4 x 12.7 mm M3 Browning machine guns, nose-mounted (300 rpg = 1,200 total)
* 2 x 12.7 mm M3 Browning machine guns, wing-mounted (300 rpg = 600 total)

=== Suspended armament ===
{{Specs-Avia-Suspended}}

{{main|LDGP Mk 81 (250 lb)|LDGP Mk 82 (500 lb)|LDGP Mk 83 (1,000 lb)|LDGP Mk 84 (2,000 lb)}}
{{main|FFAR Mighty Mouse|HVAR}}

The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' can be outfitted with the following ordnance:

* Without load
* 12 x HVAR rockets (inner pylons)
* 12 x HVAR rockets (outer pylons)
* 24 x HVAR rockets
* 42 x FFAR Mighty Mouse rockets
* 4 x 250 lb LDGP Mk 81 bombs (1,000 lb total)
* 4 x 500 lb LDGP Mk 82 bombs (2,000 lb total)
* 4 x 1,000 lb LDGP Mk 83 bombs (4,000 lb total)
* 2 x 2,000 lb LDGP Mk 84 bombs (4,000 lb total)

== Usage in battles ==

''Don't go for planes thay will kill you with ease research bombs asap start bombing bases or AA guns pray to research it all and go next plane''

repair cost is extreme for its posibilites even it it loses litle speed on turns once it loses it all it wil lbe dead anyway as engine does not alow to regain speed in time

=== Pros and cons ===

''Summarise and briefly evaluate the vehicle in terms of its characteristics and combat effectiveness. Mark its pros and cons in the bulleted list. Try not to use more than 6 points for each of the characteristics. Avoid using categorical definitions such as "bad", "good" and the like - use substitutions with softer forms such as "inadequate" and "effective".''

'''Pros:'''

* bombs

* if airfields are too short it will spawn already above airfield with speed around 660 km/h

*

'''Cons:'''

* Slowest plane ever on its br
* Cant outrurn even bombers when stock
* Cant catch jet-bombers by any method unles diving from air to get temporary speed
* often uptiered making you to fight with planes of 9.0 and above lika Vanatour that simply can go 1100 km/h making them absolutly inacesable as that plane cant reach its top speed before maps ends
* extremly weeak armament 12.7 mm best it can is damage wings or single engine before enemy accelerates away or outrurns you
* 30 m fuel is a max when stock consider that you lose around 7 m fuel to get into middle of map
* fragile most enemies has minimum 20+ mm canons that will shread you

*

== History ==

''Describe the history of the creation and combat usage of the aircraft in more detail than in the introduction. If the historical reference turns out to be too long, take it to a separate article, taking a link to the article about the vehicle and adding a block "/History" (example: <nowiki>https://wiki.warthunder.com/(Vehicle-name)/History</nowiki>) and add a link to it here using the <code>main</code> template. Be sure to reference text and sources by using <code><nowiki><ref></ref></nowiki></code>, as well as adding them at the end of the article with <code><nowiki><references /></nowiki></code>. This section may also include the vehicle's dev blog entry (if applicable) and the in-game encyclopedia description (under <code><nowiki>=== In-game description ===</nowiki></code>, also if applicable).''
=== [[wt:en/news/6990-development-f-84f-thunderstreak-en|Devblog]] ===
In the late 1940’s, the manufacturer ‘Republic’ sought to improve the performance of the F-84 in order to bring it closer in line with the F-86 Sabre. As a result, it developed a new variant of the Thunderjet, designated F-84F. The new aircraft featured, among other changes, a new swept wing and a more powerful engine than its predecessor. Although Republic initially intended the new aircraft to be an extensive modernization of the base F-84, possessing a high degree of part compatibility with preceding variants, in the end, only less than 20% of the parts were interchangeable, resulting in the F-84F Thunderstreak becoming its own independent design.

Following its maiden flight in the early 1950’s, the F-84F was ordered into production. However, the USAF focus on strategic bombers at the time resulted in some critical component manufacturing processes being prioritized for bomber production, ultimately leading to a staggered production start of the new F-84F.

The Thunderstreak officially entered service with the USAF in 1954, but was quickly phased out of active service due to engine issues before being reactivated in the early 1960’s as tensions between the two superpowers began to rise again. Ultimately, the F-84F kept flying under American colors well into the early 1970’s before finally being retired as newer aircraft replaced the Thunderstreak in active service.

The F-84F was also widely exported to NATO members. Chiefly among them were Germany, France, Italy, Belgium, Greece, China, the Netherlands as well as others. In total, well over 2,100 F-84F Thunderstreaks were built, with the Greek Air Force being the last to retire their F-84Fs in 1991.

== Media ==
<gallery mode="packed" caption="F-84F (France) Devblog Images" heights="150">
File:F-84F (France) WTWallpaper 001.jpg|
File:F-84F (France) WTWallpaper 002.jpg|
</gallery>

== See also ==

''Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:''

* ''reference to the series of the aircraft;''
* ''links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.''

== External links ==


* [[wt:en/news/6990-development-f-84f-thunderstreak-en|[Devblog] F-84F Thunderstreak]]

{{France jet aircraft}}

F-84F (France)

2020-12-26T20:16:54Z

U11671543: /* Pros and cons */

{{Specs-Card
|code=f-84f_france
|images={{Specs-Card-Image|GarageImage_{{PAGENAME}}.jpg}}
}}

== Description ==

The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a rank {{Specs|rank}} French jet fighter {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update "Hot Tracks"]].

== General info ==
=== Flight performance ===
{{Specs-Avia-Flight}}


{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="70%"
! rowspan="2" | Characteristics
! colspan="2" | Max Speed (km/h at 0 m - sea level)
! rowspan="2" | Max altitude (metres)
! colspan="2" | Turn time (seconds)
! colspan="2" | Rate of climb (metres/second)
! rowspan="2" | Take-off run (metres)
|-
! AB !! RB !! AB !! RB !! AB !! RB
|-
! Stock
| 1,089 || 1,066 || rowspan="2" | {{Specs|ceiling}} || 29.9 || 31.2 || 31.1 || 29.2 || rowspan="2" | 3,000
|-
! Upgraded
|1,111||1,102||26.3||28.0||45.5||38.0
|-
|}

==== Details ====
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="50%"
|-
! colspan="6" | Features
|-
! Combat flaps !! Take-off flaps !! Landing flaps !! Air brakes !! Arrestor gear !! Drogue chute
|-
| ✓ || ✓ || ✓ || ✓ || X || ✓ 
|-
|}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="50%"
|-
! colspan="7" | Limits
|-
! rowspan="2" | Wings (km/h)
! rowspan="2" | Gear (km/h)
! colspan="3" | Flaps (km/h)
! colspan="2" | Max Static G
|-
! Combat !! Take-off !! Landing !! + !! -
|-
| {{Specs|destruction|body}} || {{Specs|destruction|gear}} || 550 || 550 || 420 || ~10 || ~3
|-
|}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="4" | Optimal velocities (km/h)
|-
! Ailerons !! Rudder !! Elevators !! Radiator
|-
| < 630 || < 600 || < 650 || N/A
|-
|}

==== Engine performance ====
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="3" | Engine
! colspan="4" | Aircraft mass
|-
! colspan="2" | Engine name || Number
! colspan="2" | {{Annotation|Basic Mass|Mass of the aircraft with pilot and engine oil, but no fuel or weapons load}} || colspan="2" | Wing loading (full fuel)
|-
| colspan="2" | Wright J65-W-7 || 1
| colspan="2" | 7,057 kg || colspan="2" | 192 kg/m2
|-
! colspan="3" | Engine characteristics
! colspan="3" | Mass with fuel (no weapons load) || rowspan="2" | Max Takeoff Weight
|-
! Weight (each) || colspan="2" | Type
! 9m fuel || 20m fuel || 30m fuel
|-
| 1,260 kg || colspan="2" | Axial-flow turbojet
| 7,567 kg || 8,190 kg || 8,757 kg || 8,935 kg
|-
! colspan="3" | {{Annotation|Maximum engine thrust @ 0 m (RB / SB)|The maximum thrust produced by each engine, while mounted in the aircraft. NOTE: Thrust varies significantly depending on speed & altitude.}}
! colspan="4" | Thrust to weight ratio @ 0 m (100%)
|-
! Condition || 100% || WEP
! 9m fuel || 20m fuel || 30m fuel || MTOW
|-
| ''Stationary'' || 3,470 kgf || N/A
| 0.46 || 0.42 || 0.40 || 0.39
|-
| ''Optimal'' || 3,470 kgf (0 km/h) || N/A
| 0.46 || 0.42 || 0.40 || 0.39
|-
|}

=== Survivability and armour ===
{{Specs-Avia-Armour}}


=== Modifications and economy ===
{{Specs-Economy}}

== Armaments ==
{{Specs-Avia-Armaments}}
=== Offensive armament ===
{{Specs-Avia-Offensive}}

{{main|M3 Browning (12.7 mm)}}

The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' is armed with:

* 4 x 12.7 mm M3 Browning machine guns, nose-mounted (300 rpg = 1,200 total)
* 2 x 12.7 mm M3 Browning machine guns, wing-mounted (300 rpg = 600 total)

=== Suspended armament ===
{{Specs-Avia-Suspended}}

{{main|LDGP Mk 81 (250 lb)|LDGP Mk 82 (500 lb)|LDGP Mk 83 (1,000 lb)|LDGP Mk 84 (2,000 lb)}}
{{main|FFAR Mighty Mouse|HVAR}}

The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' can be outfitted with the following ordnance:

* Without load
* 12 x HVAR rockets (inner pylons)
* 12 x HVAR rockets (outer pylons)
* 24 x HVAR rockets
* 42 x FFAR Mighty Mouse rockets
* 4 x 250 lb LDGP Mk 81 bombs (1,000 lb total)
* 4 x 500 lb LDGP Mk 82 bombs (2,000 lb total)
* 4 x 1,000 lb LDGP Mk 83 bombs (4,000 lb total)
* 2 x 2,000 lb LDGP Mk 84 bombs (4,000 lb total)

== Usage in battles ==

''Don't go for planes thay will kill you with ease research bombs asap start bombing bases or AA guns pray to research it all and go next plane''

repair cost is extreme for its posibilites even it it loses litle speed on turns once it loses it all it wil lbe dead anyway as engine does not alow to regain speed in time

=== Pros and cons ===

''Summarise and briefly evaluate the vehicle in terms of its characteristics and combat effectiveness. Mark its pros and cons in the bulleted list. Try not to use more than 6 points for each of the characteristics. Avoid using categorical definitions such as "bad", "good" and the like - use substitutions with softer forms such as "inadequate" and "effective".''

'''Pros:'''

bombs

if airfields are too short it will spawn already above airfield with speed around 660 km/h

*

'''Cons:'''

Slowest plane ever on its br

Cant outrurn even bombers when stock

Cant catch jet-bombers by any method unles diving from air to get temporary speed

often uptiered making you to fight with planes of 9.0 and above lika Vanatour that simply can go 1100 km/h making them absolutly inacesable as that plane cant reach its top speed before maps ends

extremly weeak armament 12.7 mm best it can is damage wings or single engine before enemy accelerates away or outrurns you

30 m fuel is a max when stock consider that you lose around 7 m fuel to get into middle of map

fragile most enemies has minimum 20+ mm canons that will shread you

*

== History ==

''Describe the history of the creation and combat usage of the aircraft in more detail than in the introduction. If the historical reference turns out to be too long, take it to a separate article, taking a link to the article about the vehicle and adding a block "/History" (example: <nowiki>https://wiki.warthunder.com/(Vehicle-name)/History</nowiki>) and add a link to it here using the <code>main</code> template. Be sure to reference text and sources by using <code><nowiki><ref></ref></nowiki></code>, as well as adding them at the end of the article with <code><nowiki><references /></nowiki></code>. This section may also include the vehicle's dev blog entry (if applicable) and the in-game encyclopedia description (under <code><nowiki>=== In-game description ===</nowiki></code>, also if applicable).''
=== [[wt:en/news/6990-development-f-84f-thunderstreak-en|Devblog]] ===
In the late 1940’s, the manufacturer ‘Republic’ sought to improve the performance of the F-84 in order to bring it closer in line with the F-86 Sabre. As a result, it developed a new variant of the Thunderjet, designated F-84F. The new aircraft featured, among other changes, a new swept wing and a more powerful engine than its predecessor. Although Republic initially intended the new aircraft to be an extensive modernization of the base F-84, possessing a high degree of part compatibility with preceding variants, in the end, only less than 20% of the parts were interchangeable, resulting in the F-84F Thunderstreak becoming its own independent design.

Following its maiden flight in the early 1950’s, the F-84F was ordered into production. However, the USAF focus on strategic bombers at the time resulted in some critical component manufacturing processes being prioritized for bomber production, ultimately leading to a staggered production start of the new F-84F.

The Thunderstreak officially entered service with the USAF in 1954, but was quickly phased out of active service due to engine issues before being reactivated in the early 1960’s as tensions between the two superpowers began to rise again. Ultimately, the F-84F kept flying under American colors well into the early 1970’s before finally being retired as newer aircraft replaced the Thunderstreak in active service.

The F-84F was also widely exported to NATO members. Chiefly among them were Germany, France, Italy, Belgium, Greece, China, the Netherlands as well as others. In total, well over 2,100 F-84F Thunderstreaks were built, with the Greek Air Force being the last to retire their F-84Fs in 1991.

== Media ==
<gallery mode="packed" caption="F-84F (France) Devblog Images" heights="150">
File:F-84F (France) WTWallpaper 001.jpg|
File:F-84F (France) WTWallpaper 002.jpg|
</gallery>

== See also ==

''Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:''

* ''reference to the series of the aircraft;''
* ''links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.''

== External links ==


* [[wt:en/news/6990-development-f-84f-thunderstreak-en|[Devblog] F-84F Thunderstreak]]

{{France jet aircraft}}

F-84F (France)

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{{Specs-Card
|code=f-84f_france
|images={{Specs-Card-Image|GarageImage_{{PAGENAME}}.jpg}}
}}

== Description ==

The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a rank {{Specs|rank}} French jet fighter {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update "Hot Tracks"]].

== General info ==
=== Flight performance ===
{{Specs-Avia-Flight}}


{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="70%"
! rowspan="2" | Characteristics
! colspan="2" | Max Speed (km/h at 0 m - sea level)
! rowspan="2" | Max altitude (metres)
! colspan="2" | Turn time (seconds)
! colspan="2" | Rate of climb (metres/second)
! rowspan="2" | Take-off run (metres)
|-
! AB !! RB !! AB !! RB !! AB !! RB
|-
! Stock
| 1,089 || 1,066 || rowspan="2" | {{Specs|ceiling}} || 29.9 || 31.2 || 31.1 || 29.2 || rowspan="2" | 3,000
|-
! Upgraded
|1,111||1,102||26.3||28.0||45.5||38.0
|-
|}

==== Details ====
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="50%"
|-
! colspan="6" | Features
|-
! Combat flaps !! Take-off flaps !! Landing flaps !! Air brakes !! Arrestor gear !! Drogue chute
|-
| ✓ || ✓ || ✓ || ✓ || X || ✓ 
|-
|}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="50%"
|-
! colspan="7" | Limits
|-
! rowspan="2" | Wings (km/h)
! rowspan="2" | Gear (km/h)
! colspan="3" | Flaps (km/h)
! colspan="2" | Max Static G
|-
! Combat !! Take-off !! Landing !! + !! -
|-
| {{Specs|destruction|body}} || {{Specs|destruction|gear}} || 550 || 550 || 420 || ~10 || ~3
|-
|}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="4" | Optimal velocities (km/h)
|-
! Ailerons !! Rudder !! Elevators !! Radiator
|-
| < 630 || < 600 || < 650 || N/A
|-
|}

==== Engine performance ====
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="3" | Engine
! colspan="4" | Aircraft mass
|-
! colspan="2" | Engine name || Number
! colspan="2" | {{Annotation|Basic Mass|Mass of the aircraft with pilot and engine oil, but no fuel or weapons load}} || colspan="2" | Wing loading (full fuel)
|-
| colspan="2" | Wright J65-W-7 || 1
| colspan="2" | 7,057 kg || colspan="2" | 192 kg/m2
|-
! colspan="3" | Engine characteristics
! colspan="3" | Mass with fuel (no weapons load) || rowspan="2" | Max Takeoff Weight
|-
! Weight (each) || colspan="2" | Type
! 9m fuel || 20m fuel || 30m fuel
|-
| 1,260 kg || colspan="2" | Axial-flow turbojet
| 7,567 kg || 8,190 kg || 8,757 kg || 8,935 kg
|-
! colspan="3" | {{Annotation|Maximum engine thrust @ 0 m (RB / SB)|The maximum thrust produced by each engine, while mounted in the aircraft. NOTE: Thrust varies significantly depending on speed & altitude.}}
! colspan="4" | Thrust to weight ratio @ 0 m (100%)
|-
! Condition || 100% || WEP
! 9m fuel || 20m fuel || 30m fuel || MTOW
|-
| ''Stationary'' || 3,470 kgf || N/A
| 0.46 || 0.42 || 0.40 || 0.39
|-
| ''Optimal'' || 3,470 kgf (0 km/h) || N/A
| 0.46 || 0.42 || 0.40 || 0.39
|-
|}

=== Survivability and armour ===
{{Specs-Avia-Armour}}


=== Modifications and economy ===
{{Specs-Economy}}

== Armaments ==
{{Specs-Avia-Armaments}}
=== Offensive armament ===
{{Specs-Avia-Offensive}}

{{main|M3 Browning (12.7 mm)}}

The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' is armed with:

* 4 x 12.7 mm M3 Browning machine guns, nose-mounted (300 rpg = 1,200 total)
* 2 x 12.7 mm M3 Browning machine guns, wing-mounted (300 rpg = 600 total)

=== Suspended armament ===
{{Specs-Avia-Suspended}}

{{main|LDGP Mk 81 (250 lb)|LDGP Mk 82 (500 lb)|LDGP Mk 83 (1,000 lb)|LDGP Mk 84 (2,000 lb)}}
{{main|FFAR Mighty Mouse|HVAR}}

The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' can be outfitted with the following ordnance:

* Without load
* 12 x HVAR rockets (inner pylons)
* 12 x HVAR rockets (outer pylons)
* 24 x HVAR rockets
* 42 x FFAR Mighty Mouse rockets
* 4 x 250 lb LDGP Mk 81 bombs (1,000 lb total)
* 4 x 500 lb LDGP Mk 82 bombs (2,000 lb total)
* 4 x 1,000 lb LDGP Mk 83 bombs (4,000 lb total)
* 2 x 2,000 lb LDGP Mk 84 bombs (4,000 lb total)

== Usage in battles ==

''Describe the tactics of playing in the aircraft, the features of using aircraft in a team and advice on tactics. Refrain from creating a "guide" - do not impose a single point of view, but instead, give the reader food for thought. Examine the most dangerous enemies and give recommendations on fighting them. If necessary, note the specifics of the game in different modes (AB, RB, SB).''

=== Pros and cons ===

''Summarise and briefly evaluate the vehicle in terms of its characteristics and combat effectiveness. Mark its pros and cons in the bulleted list. Try not to use more than 6 points for each of the characteristics. Avoid using categorical definitions such as "bad", "good" and the like - use substitutions with softer forms such as "inadequate" and "effective".''

'''Pros:'''

*

'''Cons:'''

Slowest plane ever on its br

Cant outrurn even bombers when stock

extremly weeak armament

*

== History ==

''Describe the history of the creation and combat usage of the aircraft in more detail than in the introduction. If the historical reference turns out to be too long, take it to a separate article, taking a link to the article about the vehicle and adding a block "/History" (example: <nowiki>https://wiki.warthunder.com/(Vehicle-name)/History</nowiki>) and add a link to it here using the <code>main</code> template. Be sure to reference text and sources by using <code><nowiki><ref></ref></nowiki></code>, as well as adding them at the end of the article with <code><nowiki><references /></nowiki></code>. This section may also include the vehicle's dev blog entry (if applicable) and the in-game encyclopedia description (under <code><nowiki>=== In-game description ===</nowiki></code>, also if applicable).''
=== [[wt:en/news/6990-development-f-84f-thunderstreak-en|Devblog]] ===
In the late 1940’s, the manufacturer ‘Republic’ sought to improve the performance of the F-84 in order to bring it closer in line with the F-86 Sabre. As a result, it developed a new variant of the Thunderjet, designated F-84F. The new aircraft featured, among other changes, a new swept wing and a more powerful engine than its predecessor. Although Republic initially intended the new aircraft to be an extensive modernization of the base F-84, possessing a high degree of part compatibility with preceding variants, in the end, only less than 20% of the parts were interchangeable, resulting in the F-84F Thunderstreak becoming its own independent design.

Following its maiden flight in the early 1950’s, the F-84F was ordered into production. However, the USAF focus on strategic bombers at the time resulted in some critical component manufacturing processes being prioritized for bomber production, ultimately leading to a staggered production start of the new F-84F.

The Thunderstreak officially entered service with the USAF in 1954, but was quickly phased out of active service due to engine issues before being reactivated in the early 1960’s as tensions between the two superpowers began to rise again. Ultimately, the F-84F kept flying under American colors well into the early 1970’s before finally being retired as newer aircraft replaced the Thunderstreak in active service.

The F-84F was also widely exported to NATO members. Chiefly among them were Germany, France, Italy, Belgium, Greece, China, the Netherlands as well as others. In total, well over 2,100 F-84F Thunderstreaks were built, with the Greek Air Force being the last to retire their F-84Fs in 1991.

== Media ==
<gallery mode="packed" caption="F-84F (France) Devblog Images" heights="150">
File:F-84F (France) WTWallpaper 001.jpg|
File:F-84F (France) WTWallpaper 002.jpg|
</gallery>

== See also ==

''Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:''

* ''reference to the series of the aircraft;''
* ''links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.''

== External links ==


* [[wt:en/news/6990-development-f-84f-thunderstreak-en|[Devblog] F-84F Thunderstreak]]

{{France jet aircraft}}