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Ta 152 C-3

2019-07-13T20:04:25Z

U10801098:

{{Specs-Card|code=ta-152c}}
{{About
| about = German fighter '''{{PAGENAME}}'''
| usage = the other version
| link = Ta 152 H-1
}}

== Description ==

[[File:GarageImage_Ta152C3.jpg|420px|thumb|left]]
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The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a rank {{Specs|rank}} German fighter {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update 1.57 "Battle March"]].

The Ta 152 C was designed for mid altitude combat, with a re-designed short wing similar to that of the 190 series, such as the [[Fw 190 D-13]]. With its Daimler-Benz DB 603 engine, gaining speed and altitude is the first priority in this aircraft. Second, is heavy usage of Boom and Zoom tactics, especially on heavily armed strategic bombers like the [[B-29A-BN|B-29 Superfortress]]. With its armament of four MG-151 20 mm cannons (two in the wing roots, two in the cowling), and a MK-103 cannon firing through the propeller hub, trigger discipline is a must to take down as many aircraft as you can with the ammunition on board. However, it can be pushed to turn tight in a pinch with a rather small amount of energy lost by using the flaps, and despite not having a proper combat flap setting. The flaps are extremely strong and they deploy quickly, even at higher speeds (though it is not advisable to do such thing unless the situation is just right).

== General info ==
=== Flight Performance ===


{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="8" | Characteristics
|-
! colspan="8" | ''Stock''
|-
! colspan="2" | Max Speed (km/h at 10,400 m)
! rowspan="2" | Max altitude (meters)
! colspan="2" | Turn time (seconds)
! colspan="2" | Rate of climb (meters/second)
! rowspan="2" | Take-off run (meters)
|-
! AB
! RB
! AB
! RB
! AB
! RB
|-
| 703 || 681 || {{Specs|ceiling}} || 28.2 || 29.2 || 9.7 || 9.7 || 500
|-
! colspan="8" | ''Upgraded''
|-
! colspan="2" | Max Speed (km/h at 10,400 m)
! rowspan="2" | Max altitude (meters)
! colspan="2" | Turn time (seconds)
! colspan="2" | Rate of climb (meters/second)
! rowspan="2" | Take-off run (meters)
|-
! AB
! RB
! AB
! RB
! AB
! RB
|-
| 759 || 730 || {{Specs|ceiling}} || 25.8 || 27.0 || 17.1 || 13.1 || 500
|-
|}

====Details====
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="5" | Features
|-
! Combat flaps
! Take-off flaps
! Landing flaps
! Air brakes
! Arrestor gear
|-
| ✓ || ✓ || ✓ || X || X 
|-
|}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="5" | Limits
|-
! rowspan="2" | Wing-break speed (km/h)
! rowspan="2" | Gear limit (km/h)
! rowspan="2" | Combat flaps (km/h)
! colspan="2" | Max Static G
|-
! +
! -
|-
| {{Specs|destruction|constructions}} || {{Specs|destruction|chassis}} || 900 || ~10 || ~5
|-
|}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="4" | Optimal velocities
|-
! Ailerons (km/h)
! Rudder (km/h)
! Elevators (km/h)
! Radiator (km/h)
|-
| < 420 || < 220 || < 550 || > 290
|-
|}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="3" | Compressor (RB/SB)
|-
! colspan="3" | Setting 1
|-
! Optimal altitude
! 100% Engine power
! WEP Engine power
|-
| 8,990 m || 1,750 hp || 1,921 hp
|-
|}

=== Survivability and armour ===

* 15 mm Steel - Engine cowl armor
* 5 mm Steel - Under cockpit/fuel tank armor
* 5 mm Steel - Rear fuel tank armor plate
* 8 mm Steel - Pilot seat armor
* 5 mm Steel - Pilot seat armor
* 20 mm Steel - Head rest armor
* 10 mm Steel - Upper cowling ammunition armor
* 6 mm Steel - Instrument panel armor
* 70 mm Bulletproof glass

== Armaments ==
=== Offensive armament ===

{{main|MK 103 (30 mm)|MG 151/20 (20 mm)}}

The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' is armed with:

* 1 x 30 mm MK 103 cannon, nose-mounted (90 rpg)
* 2 x 20 mm MG 151/20 cannons, nose-mounted (150 rpg = 300 total)
* 2 x 20 mm MG 151/20 cannons, wing-mounted (175 rpg = 350 total)

== Usage in battles ==

Currently the Ta 152 C-3 does not carry any under-wing ordnance, but it can perform rather lethal ground-pounding with its [[MK 103 (30 mm)]] cannon, if it is loaded with armoured target rounds (HVAP), although one must aim carefully and have good trigger discipline to knock out tanks, or else one wastes too many shells on a single vehicle. But for its intended role, the combination of [[MG 151/20 (20 mm)|MG 151]] 20 mm cannons plus the aforementioned MK 103 is lethal against any aircraft in the game. However, the stock belts can be a bit of a pain to use, as half of the load are not the infamous German minengeschoße (HE-IT).

The Ta 152 C-3 is somewhat of a combination of the Fw 190 D series and the Ta 152 H-1, it is easy to play, but difficult to master and is easily countered by the enemy, but that will not stop you from doing well with this aircraft as long as you fight engagements on your terms.

* Prioritize enemies with multiple engines first, like bombers, attackers and heavy fighters above anything else;
* Only engage enemy fighters when they are distracted at something else or if you have the advantage or when there are no other targets in your vicinity;
* Despite heavily armored, you are not invincible, head on engagements eventually will take the toll on your plane, so fight smart by firing first when you are around 1.2km away and immediately roll or bank to dodge their bullets;
* Although it is tempting, engaging ground units should be the least of your priorities unless there are no other targets nearby;
* HVAP shells can destroy AI light tanks in one hit from any direction, medium tanks will need to be shot from above or the rear and heavy tanks are just a waste of ammo;
* 30mm Minengeschoß rounds deal a lot of damage, use it sparingly with the 20mm;
* The 20mm and the 30mm have different ballistics, control mappings to each caliber is recommended;
* When you have an enemy on your tail, there is little you can do except to wait for allies to come and help, do not let it happen;
* Use your incredible roll rate to escape from sticky situations;

===Manual Engine Control===
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="7" | MEC elements
|-
! rowspan="2" | Mixer
! rowspan="2" | Pitch
! colspan="3" | Radiator
! rowspan="2" | Supercharger
! rowspan="2" | Turbocharger
|-
! Oil
! Water
! Type
|-
| Not controllable || rowspan="2" | Controllable Auto control available || rowspan="2" | Not controllable Auto control available || rowspan="2" | Controllable Not auto controlled || rowspan="2" | Combined || rowspan="2" | Not controllable 1 gear || rowspan="2" | Not controllable
|-
|}

===Modules===
{| class="wikitable"
! colspan="1" | Tier
! colspan="2" | Flight performance
! colspan="1" | Survivability
! colspan="2" | Weaponry
|-
| I
| Fuselage repair
| Radiator
|
| Offensive 20 mm
| Offensive 30 mm
|-
| II
|
| Compressor
| Airframe
|
|
|-
| III
| Wings repair
| Engine
|
| New 20 mm cannons
| New 30 mm cannons
|-
| IV
|
| Engine injection
| Cover
|
|
|-
|}

=== Pros and cons ===


'''Pros:'''

* Powerful armament of five cannons with a lot of ammo;
* Nose mounted armament allows very tight spread of bullets when firing;
* Does not slow down that much when firing all its guns;
* Durable and well armoured, pilot is protected;
* Very effective bomber killer;
* Armour is enough to deflect machine gun rounds from bombers' gunners;
* Incredibly strong at a head on engagement and will often survive unharmed or with minor damage;
* Very good acceleration;
* Good energy retention, although not as good as the H-1 model;
* Good roll rate, better than the H-1 model;
* Very good performance when operating from low to mid altitude;
* Very fast dive speed;
* Can perform a tank-buster role with its Armored targets belt for the 30 mm cannon
* Can immediately research the 20 mm and 30 mm belts.

'''Cons:'''

* Poor rate of climb for an interceptor;
* Slow, coupled with poor rate of climb makes it an easy target after conducting a boom and zoom attack;
* Worst turn rate of all Kurt Tank fighters in the game, even worse than the already bad Fw 190 series;
* Above average repair cost in RB;
* No combat flaps configuration;
* Poor high altitude performance;
* Very easy to counter and has almost no options of escape when chased;
* Wings and fuselage are littered with fuel tanks, although they are self sealing;
* Requires a lot of RP to spade despite being a 5.7 BR aircraft;
* Stock performance is awful;
* Feels heavier and more sluggish to fly than the H-1 model;
* Engine often overheats after 3500 m.

== History ==
''Describe the history of the creation and combat usage of the aircraft in more detail than in the introduction. If the historical reference turns out to be too long, take it to a separate article, taking a link to the article about the vehicle and adding a block "/ History" (example: <nowiki>https://wiki.warthunder.com/(Vehicle-name)/History</nowiki>) and add a link to it here using the <code>main</code> template. Be sure to reference text and sources by using <code><nowiki><ref></ref></nowiki></code>, as well as adding them at the end of the article with <code><nowiki><references /></nowiki></code>. This section may also include the vehicle's dev blog entry (if applicable) and the in-game encyclopedia description (under <code><nowiki>=== Encyclopedia Info ===</nowiki></code>, also if applicable).''

== Media ==
''Excellent additions to the article would be video guides, screenshots from the game, and photos.''

== See also ==
''Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:''

* ''reference to the series of the aircraft;''
* ''links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.''

== External links ==
''Paste links to sources and external resources, such as:''

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Ta 152 H-1

2019-07-12T16:13:29Z

U10801098: Added upgraded flight characteristics and fixed armor, MEC

{{Specs-Card|code=ta-152h-1}}
{{About
| about = German fighter '''{{PAGENAME}}'''
| usage = the other version
| link = Ta 152 C-3
}}

== Description ==

[[File:GarageImage_{{PAGENAME}}.jpg|420px|thumb|left]]
{{break}}
The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a rank {{Specs|rank}} German fighter {{Battle-rating}}. This fighter has been in the game since the start of the Open Beta Test prior to Update 1.27.

== General info ==
=== Flight Performance ===


Really fast, maneuverable and stable at +350 km/h. Can outrun a lot of competitors at the BR. Combat flaps are really useful in dogfights. Decent rate of climb, but great turn time as well as rolling rate.

If you're gonna play its job as a perfect interceptor, just climb up and dive unto the bomber, you can easily outclimb a lot of competitors.

[[File:Cockpit Ta152.jpg|x150px|right|thumb|none|Cockpit of the Ta 152]]

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="8" | Characteristics
|-
! colspan="8" | ''Stock''
|-
! colspan="2" | Max Speed (km/h at 10,200 m)
! rowspan="2" | Max altitude (meters)
! colspan="2" | Turn time (seconds)
! colspan="2" | Rate of climb (meters/second)
! rowspan="2" | Take-off run (meters)
|-
! AB
! RB
! AB
! RB
! AB
! RB
|-
| 725 || 707 || {{Specs|ceiling}} || 21.1 || 21.3 || 14 || 14 || 315
|-
! colspan="8" | ''Upgraded''
|-
! colspan="2" | Max Speed (km/h at 10,200 m)
! rowspan="2" | Max altitude (meters)
! colspan="2" | Turn time (seconds)
! colspan="2" | Rate of climb (meters/second)
! rowspan="2" | Take-off run (meters)
|-
! AB
! RB
! AB
! RB
! AB
! RB
|-
| 788 || 755 || {{Specs|ceiling}} || 20.3 || 20.5 || 22.2 || 17.5 || 315
|-
|}

====Details====
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="5" | Features
|-
! Combat flaps
! Take-off flaps
! Landing flaps
! Air brakes
! Arrestor gear
|-
| ✓ || ✓ || ✓ || X || X 
|-
|}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="5" | Limits
|-
! rowspan="2" | Wing-break speed (km/h)
! rowspan="2" | Gear limit (km/h)
! rowspan="2" | Combat flaps (km/h)
! colspan="2" | Max Static G
|-
! +
! -
|-
| {{Specs|destruction|constructions}} || {{Specs|destruction|chassis}} || 900 || ~10 || ~5
|-
|}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="4" | Optimal velocities
|-
! Ailerons (km/h)
! Rudder (km/h)
! Elevators (km/h)
! Radiator (km/h)
|-
| < 380 || < 220 || < 550 || > 290
|-
|}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="3" | Compressor (RB/SB)
|-
! colspan="3" | Setting 1
|-
! Optimal altitude
! 100% Engine power
! WEP Engine power
|-
| 2,600 m || 1,750 hp || 2,073 hp
|-
! colspan="3" | Setting 2
|-
! Optimal altitude
! 100% Engine power
! WEP Engine power
|-
| 6,800 m || 1,540 hp || 1,824 hp
|-
! colspan="3" | Setting 3
|-
! Optimal altitude
! 100% Engine power
! WEP Engine power
|-
| 9,700 m || 1,230 hp || 1,457 hp
|-
! colspan="3" | Setting 4
|-
! Optimal altitude
! 100% Engine power
! WEP Engine power
|-
| 11,000 m || 1,380 hp || 1,635 hp
|-
|}

=== Survivability and armour ===


* 5 mm steel - under the cockpit
* 5 mm steel + 8 mm steel - behind the pilot
* 20 mm steel - pilot's headrest
* 70 mm bulletproof glass - armoured windscreen
* 15 mm steel - engine cowling

== Armaments ==
=== Offensive armament ===

{{main|MK 108 (30 mm)|MG 151/20 (20 mm)}}

The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' is armed with:

* 1 x 30 mm MK 108 cannon, nose-mounted (90 rpg)
* 2 x 20 mm MG 151/20 cannons, wing-mounted (175 rpg = 350 total)

== Usage in battles ==

The Ta-152 H-1 is a designated high altitude fighter with a great wing area and good manoeuvrability, unlike its heavier brethren the [[Ta 152 C-3]]. Fly high, preferably at >10 km (32000 ft) since the engine is more effective at those altitudes.

There is a noticeable change above 3,800 m where the engine starts providing more power however it is generally not sufficient to make the plane superior to the aircraft it generally fights, so do not rely on it. Most players use this aircraft as a "Boom & Zoom" although it is possible to dogfight with aircraft that have at least one disadvantage (e.g. P-51 - lower roll rate at low speeds and climb rate above 4,000 m relative to the Ta 152) so tactics vary.

Not advisable to tackle more than one enemy at once.

Do not dogfight [[Fw 190 D-9 (USSR)|Russian FW 190 D]] premium, or the [[F8F (Family)|Bearcat]] as there is practically nothing you can do.

===Manual Engine Control===
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="7" | MEC elements
|-
! rowspan="2" | Mixer
! rowspan="2" | Pitch
! colspan="3" | Radiator
! rowspan="2" | Supercharger
! rowspan="2" | Turbocharger
|-
! Oil
! Water
! Type
|-
| Not controllable || rowspan="2" | Controllable Auto control available || rowspan="2" | Not controllable Auto control available || rowspan="2" | Controllable Not auto controlled || rowspan="2" | Combined || rowspan="2" | Not controllable 4 gears || rowspan="2" | Not controllable
|-
|}

===Modules===
{| class="wikitable"
! colspan="1" | Tier
! colspan="2" | Flight performance
! colspan="1" | Survivability
! colspan="2" | Weaponry
|-
| I
| Fuselage repair
| Radiator
|
| Offensive 20 mm
|
|-
| II
|
| Compressor
| Airframe
|
| Offensive 30 mm
|-
| III
| Wings repair
| Engine
|
| New 20 mm cannons
|
|-
| IV
|
| Engine injection
| Cover
|
| New 30 mm cannons
|-
|}

=== Pros and cons ===


'''Pros:'''

* 30 mm cannon usually obliterates enemies upon impact
* Stable in all axis (joystick)
* Unstable when ~400 km/h and turn(mouse aim)
* Can out-climb the P-51 D at high altitude
* Good performance above 7,000 m
* Combat flaps rip off at 900 km/h, which means you can use them in any speed.

'''Cons:'''

* 30 mm cannon is low-velocity, making it hard to hit
* Has a tendency to snap roll viciously
* Average roll rate, which is made significantly worse by pitching up/down
* Somewhat slow on low to medium altitude
* Poor wing lift to weight ratio, and hence poor turning ability, equal to Tempest Mk.V
* Poor parasite drag to thrust ratio, meaning a lot of energy is lost in diving attacks
* Very high repair cost for Realistic battles.

== History ==
''Describe the history of the creation and combat usage of the aircraft in more detail than in the introduction. If the historical reference turns out to be too long, take it to a separate article, taking a link to the article about the vehicle and adding a block "/ History" (example: <nowiki>https://wiki.warthunder.com/(Vehicle-name)/History</nowiki>) and add a link to it here using the <code>main</code> template. Be sure to reference text and sources by using <code><nowiki><ref></ref></nowiki></code>, as well as adding them at the end of the article with <code><nowiki><references /></nowiki></code>. This section may also include the vehicle's dev blog entry (if applicable) and the in-game encyclopedia description (under <code><nowiki>=== Encyclopedia Info ===</nowiki></code>, also if applicable).''

=== In-game description ===
"The Ta 152 was, without a doubt, the best aircraft designed by Kurt Tank for Focke-Wulf. The aircraft was a further redesign of the venerable Fw 190, namely of the Fw 190 D. The Ta 152 became possible thanks to the new high-altitude Jumo 213 and DB 603 engines.

Development began in the winter of 1942-1943, when RLM's technical department released specifications for a new 'Spezial Jaeger', or Special Fighter. The fighter was to be capable of a high-altitude interceptor role. The Ta 152 H-1 was armed with a MK 108 cannon with 85 rounds firing through the propeller hub and two MG 151/20 cannons (220 rounds per gun) in the wings. The H-1 went into serial production in January or February of 1945. A total of only 70 or so were produced, of which very few made it to front-line service."

== Media ==
''Excellent additions to the article would be video guides, screenshots from the game, and photos.''

== See also ==
''Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:''

* ''reference to the series of the aircraft;''
* ''links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.''

== External links ==
''Paste links to sources and external resources, such as:''

* ''topic on the official game forum;''
* ''encyclopedia page on the aircraft;''
* ''other literature.''

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