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Type 81 (C)

2023-12-01T18:34:04Z

U107109980: Included additional details about loss of tracking capabilties in inclement weather in usage in battles, added additional cons

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== Description ==

The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is an upgraded version of the Type 81 Surface-to-Air Missile (81式短距離地対空誘導弾) or Tan-SAM (短SAM), a Japanese developed surface-to-air missile currently in service with the Japan Ground Self-Defense Force. The development of the Tan-SAM Kai started in 1989 as a intermediate SAM missile was needed between the short-range FIM-92 Stinger & the MIM-23 Hawk missile system, and the upgraded system was designated as SAM-1C in 1995. The Tan-SAM missile has a new phased array active radar seeker that can receive mid-course guidance updates from the Fire Control Systems vehicle. This enhances the missile's range to 14 kilometers, but also increases its weight to 105 kilograms. The missile also has a new smokeless motor with better thrust, replacing the old one. The Fire Control Systems vehicle has a thermal imager to operate better in an ECM-heavy environment.

It was introduced in [[Update "Kings of Battle"]]. The Type 81C can be considered the bigger brother of the [[Type 93]], offering bigger, meaner, and larger both vehicle and missiles. While it's larger, the missile itself still offers great missile guidance with a maximum overload of 35 G, 955 m/s on top of a visual guidance mode which will further increase its hit probability against IRCM/ECM jammers present on high-end helicopters. One problem the Type 81 retains from the Type 93 is the lack of radar, while it offers a thermal camera making the visual spotting of aircraft easier, it still requires situational awareness to find to targets.

== General info ==
=== Survivability and armour ===
{{Specs-Tank-Armour}}

''Describe armour protection. Note the most well protected and key weak areas. Appreciate the layout of modules as well as the number and location of crew members. Is the level of armour protection sufficient, is the placement of modules helpful for survival in combat? If necessary use a visual template to indicate the most secure and weak zones of the armour.''

'''Armour type:''' 


{| class="wikitable"
|-
! Armour !! Front (Slope angle) !! Sides !! Rear !! Roof
|-
| Hull || ___ mm || ___ mm ''Top'' ___ mm ''Bottom'' || ___ mm || ___ - ___ mm
|-
| Turret || ___ - ___ mm ''Turret front'' ___ mm ''Gun mantlet'' || ___ - ___ mm || ___ - ___ mm || ___ - ___ mm
|-
| Cupola || ___ mm || ___ mm || ___ mm || ___ mm
|-
|}

'''Notes:''' 


=== Mobility ===
{{Specs-Tank-Mobility}}

''Write about the mobility of the ground vehicle. Estimate the specific power and manoeuvrability, as well as the maximum speed forwards and backwards.''

{{tankMobility}}

=== Modifications and economy ===
{{Specs-Economy}}

== Armaments ==
{{Specs-Tank-Armaments}}
=== Main armament ===
{{Specs-Tank-Weapon|1}}

{{main|Type 81 SAM-1C}}

''Give the reader information about the characteristics of the main gun. Assess its effectiveness in a battle based on the reloading speed, ballistics and the power of shells. Do not forget about the flexibility of the fire, that is how quickly the cannon can be aimed at the target, open fire on it and aim at another enemy. Add a link to the main article on the gun: <code><nowiki>{{main|Name of the weapon}}</nowiki></code>. Describe in general terms the ammunition available for the main gun. Give advice on how to use them and how to fill the ammunition storage.''

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="100%"
|-
! colspan="5" | [[Type 81 SAM-1C]] missile || colspan="5" | Turret rotation speed (°/s) || colspan="4" | Reloading rate (seconds)
|-
! Mode !! Capacity (Belt) !! Vertical !! Horizontal !! Stabilizer
! Stock !! Upgraded !! Full !! Expert !! Aced
! Stock !! Full !! Expert !! Aced
|-
! ''Arcade''
| rowspan="2" | 8 (4) || rowspan="2" | -5°/+85° || rowspan="2" | ±180° || rowspan="2" | - || __._ || __._ || __._ || __._ || __._ || rowspan="2" | _.__ || rowspan="2" | _.__ || rowspan="2" | _.__ || rowspan="2" | _.__
|-
! ''Realistic''
| __._ || __._ || __._ || __._ || __._
|-
|}

==== Ammunition ====
{{:Type 81 SAM-1C/Ammunition|Type 81C}}

==== [[Ammo racks]] ====


{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! Full ammo
! 1st rack empty
! Visual discrepancy
|-
| '''2''' || 1 ''(+1)'' || Yes
|-
|}

== Usage in battles ==

The Type 81 (C) is a missile launcher mounted on an Isuzu truck that operates from a safe distance behind the front lines. It is not designed for direct combat, but rather for launching powerful missiles at aerial targets. The truck is large and vulnerable, so it should avoid enemy fire by staying in cover or hiding at the edge of the map. The Type 81 (C) has a longer range than the Type 93, but it still benefits from closing the gap to the air threats. To fire a missile, the truck must come to a full stop and wait for 4 seconds to activate the missile. The truck does not have a radar, so it must rely on manual spotting of the targets. The Type 81 (C) has an advantage over some enemies that use IRCM, such as Kamov and Mi-24 helicopters, because it can track them visually without depending on their IR signature (which can be jammed or flared). However, the visual tracking has a shorter range than the IR tracking, so the launcher may lose lock or fail to lock on some targets depending if it uses only visual, only IR or auto mode. It should be worthy to note that the Type 81 (C) can lose IRST tracking on fast flying aircraft and helicopters that fly through inclement weather, typically in stormy and cloudy maps.

=== Pros and cons ===


'''Pros:'''

* Highly capable fire-and-forget IR/Visual missiles
** 35 G max overload
** 11 km rear aspect - 6 km all-aspect
** 5 kg explosive warhead
*Can scout targets

'''Cons:'''

* Lacks radar
* Cannot fire missiles on the move
* Visual targeting mode is entirely negated in maps with storm/cloudy weather
** Cannot lock onto aircraft that pass through clouds
* Large, unprotected target
** Only 2 crew
** Can be over-pressured by bombs, rockets, missiles
** Small caliber MG's can be deadly, even the MG4 (5.56mm)
* Missile racks on sides can be snagged on obstacles and obstructions
* Slow and sluggish maneuverability
** Requires a wide turning circle, not suitable for maps with narrow streets or terrain

== History ==

=== Devblog History ===
In 1966, Japanese engineers began work on developing a new short-range anti-air system capable of intercepting targets beyond fire distance of AA artillery. Furthermore, the new system was envisioned as a modern replacement to dated anti-air systems already in use with the JSDF such as the American M51 Skysweeper and M15A1 SPAAG. In order to fulfill these requirements, the decision was made to mount the missile system onto the Isuzu Type 73 truck chassis.

With development in full swing, the first prototypes had been constructed by the mid 1970s while field trials followed later in the decade. As the test produced positive results, the new SAM system entered service with the JSDF in 1980 under the designation TAN-SAM-1C “Tan-SAM”. However, even after the vehicle entered production, engineers continued tweaking the design, coming up with improved variants by the end of the decade.

The TAN-SAM-1C “Tam-SAM Kai” was one of these variants introduced in 1989, featuring not only improved missiles but also an updated vehicle chassis. This variant entered service with the JSDF in 1995 and continued being produced up until 2006. Thanks to its advanced design and continuous improvements, the TAN-SAM-1C remains in service with the JSDF to this day.

== Media ==

''Excellent additions to the article would be video guides, screenshots from the game, and photos.''

== See also ==

''Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:''

* ''reference to the series of the vehicles;''
* ''links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.''

== External links ==


* [[wt:en/news/8529-development-tan-sam-1c-vital-air-defense-en|[Devblog] TAN-SAM-1C: Vital Air Defense]]

{{Japan anti-aircraft vehicles}}
{{TankManufacturer Isuzu}}
[[Category:Wheeled ground vehicles]]

Type 81 (C)

2023-11-11T21:21:05Z

U107109980: Added in Usage in battles section + added in few pros and cons about scouting capabilities, maneuverability and physical obstructions

{{Specs-Card
|code=jp_type_81_tansam
|images={{Specs-Card-Image|GarageImage_{{PAGENAME}}.jpg}}
}}

== Description ==

The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is an upgraded version of the Type 81 Surface-to-Air Missile (81式短距離地対空誘導弾) or Tan-SAM (短SAM), a Japanese developed surface-to-air missile currently in service with the Japan Ground Self-Defense Force. The development of the Tan-SAM Kai started in 1989 as a intermediate SAM missile was needed between the short-range FIM-92 Stinger & the MIM-23 Hawk missile system, and the upgraded system was designated as SAM-1C in 1995. The Tan-SAM missile has a new phased array active radar seeker that can receive mid-course guidance updates from the Fire Control Systems vehicle. This enhances the missile's range to 14 kilometers, but also increases its weight to 105 kilograms. The missile also has a new smokeless motor with better thrust, replacing the old one. The Fire Control Systems vehicle has a thermal imager to operate better in an ECM-heavy environment.

It was introduced in [[Update "Kings of Battle"]]. The Type 81C can be considered the bigger brother of the [[Type 93]], offering bigger, meaner, and larger both vehicle and missiles. While it's larger, the missile itself still offers great missile guidance with a maximum overload of 35 G, 955 m/s on top of a visual guidance mode which will further increase its hit probability against IRCM/ECM jammers present on high-end helicopters. One problem the Type 81 retains from the Type 93 is the lack of radar, while it offers a thermal camera making the visual spotting of aircraft easier, it still requires situational awareness to find to targets.

== General info ==
=== Survivability and armour ===
{{Specs-Tank-Armour}}

''Describe armour protection. Note the most well protected and key weak areas. Appreciate the layout of modules as well as the number and location of crew members. Is the level of armour protection sufficient, is the placement of modules helpful for survival in combat? If necessary use a visual template to indicate the most secure and weak zones of the armour.''

'''Armour type:''' 


{| class="wikitable"
|-
! Armour !! Front (Slope angle) !! Sides !! Rear !! Roof
|-
| Hull || ___ mm || ___ mm ''Top'' ___ mm ''Bottom'' || ___ mm || ___ - ___ mm
|-
| Turret || ___ - ___ mm ''Turret front'' ___ mm ''Gun mantlet'' || ___ - ___ mm || ___ - ___ mm || ___ - ___ mm
|-
| Cupola || ___ mm || ___ mm || ___ mm || ___ mm
|-
|}

'''Notes:''' 


=== Mobility ===
{{Specs-Tank-Mobility}}

''Write about the mobility of the ground vehicle. Estimate the specific power and manoeuvrability, as well as the maximum speed forwards and backwards.''

{{tankMobility}}

=== Modifications and economy ===
{{Specs-Economy}}

== Armaments ==
{{Specs-Tank-Armaments}}
=== Main armament ===
{{Specs-Tank-Weapon|1}}

{{main|Type 81 SAM-1C}}

''Give the reader information about the characteristics of the main gun. Assess its effectiveness in a battle based on the reloading speed, ballistics and the power of shells. Do not forget about the flexibility of the fire, that is how quickly the cannon can be aimed at the target, open fire on it and aim at another enemy. Add a link to the main article on the gun: <code><nowiki>{{main|Name of the weapon}}</nowiki></code>. Describe in general terms the ammunition available for the main gun. Give advice on how to use them and how to fill the ammunition storage.''

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="100%"
|-
! colspan="5" | [[Type 81 SAM-1C]] missile || colspan="5" | Turret rotation speed (°/s) || colspan="4" | Reloading rate (seconds)
|-
! Mode !! Capacity (Belt) !! Vertical !! Horizontal !! Stabilizer
! Stock !! Upgraded !! Full !! Expert !! Aced
! Stock !! Full !! Expert !! Aced
|-
! ''Arcade''
| rowspan="2" | 8 (4) || rowspan="2" | -5°/+85° || rowspan="2" | ±180° || rowspan="2" | - || __._ || __._ || __._ || __._ || __._ || rowspan="2" | _.__ || rowspan="2" | _.__ || rowspan="2" | _.__ || rowspan="2" | _.__
|-
! ''Realistic''
| __._ || __._ || __._ || __._ || __._
|-
|}

==== Ammunition ====
{{:Type 81 SAM-1C/Ammunition|Type 81C}}

==== [[Ammo racks]] ====


{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! Full ammo
! 1st rack empty
! Visual discrepancy
|-
| '''2''' || 1 ''(+1)'' || Yes
|-
|}

== Usage in battles ==

When playing the Type 81 (C), you need to treat this vehicle carefully so as to not be killed early on in the match. Since you also do not possess any substantial amount of armor, or any means of camouflage (i.e. smoke grenades), it is recommended to use shoot-and-scoot methods to play this vehicle, as your missiles are fire-and-forget. When spotting and firing upon a target, you need to give it 4 seconds to warm-up the missile, as well as coming to a complete stop before firing the missiles. Be aware of your surroundings, as your lack of radar can catch you off-guard by enemies. Notable foes of this vehicle are helicopters that possess IRCM, especially the Ka-29 and Mi-24P, as it can throw your lock-on off the target and send your missile elsewhere. When fighting across these enemies, be sure to find obstacles and covers, such as large buildings, underpasses, or large rocks to avoid being targeted by ATGMs and some occasional rocket barrages.

=== Pros and cons ===


'''Pros:'''

* Highly capable fire-and-forget IR/Visual missiles
** 35 G max overload
** 11 km rear aspect - 6 km all-aspect
** 5 kg explosive warhead
*Can scout targets

'''Cons:'''

* Lacks radar
* Large, unprotected target
** Only 2 crew
** Can be over-pressured by bombs, rockets, missiles
*Missile racks on sides can be snagged on obstacles and obstructions
*Slow and sluggish maneuverability
**Suffers same flaw as wheeled vehicles with subpar traction and no neutral steering at its BR

== History ==

=== Devblog History ===
In 1966, Japanese engineers began work on developing a new short-range anti-air system capable of intercepting targets beyond fire distance of AA artillery. Furthermore, the new system was envisioned as a modern replacement to dated anti-air systems already in use with the JSDF such as the American M51 Skysweeper and M15A1 SPAAG. In order to fulfill these requirements, the decision was made to mount the missile system onto the Isuzu Type 73 truck chassis.

With development in full swing, the first prototypes had been constructed by the mid 1970s while field trials followed later in the decade. As the test produced positive results, the new SAM system entered service with the JSDF in 1980 under the designation TAN-SAM-1C “Tan-SAM”. However, even after the vehicle entered production, engineers continued tweaking the design, coming up with improved variants by the end of the decade.

The TAN-SAM-1C “Tam-SAM Kai” was one of these variants introduced in 1989, featuring not only improved missiles but also an updated vehicle chassis. This variant entered service with the JSDF in 1995 and continued being produced up until 2006. Thanks to its advanced design and continuous improvements, the TAN-SAM-1C remains in service with the JSDF to this day.

== Media ==

''Excellent additions to the article would be video guides, screenshots from the game, and photos.''

== See also ==

''Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:''

* ''reference to the series of the vehicles;''
* ''links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.''

== External links ==


* [[wt:en/news/8529-development-tan-sam-1c-vital-air-defense-en|[Devblog] TAN-SAM-1C: Vital Air Defense]]

{{Japan anti-aircraft vehicles}}
[[Category:Wheeled ground vehicles]]