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Vautour IIA IDF/AF

2020-12-20T13:42:43Z

U101172289: I have latched similar planes or planes with similar functions

{{Specs-Card
|code=so_4050_vautour_2a_iaf
|store=6679
}}
{{About
| about = jet bomber '''{{PAGENAME}}'''
| and
| usage = other versions
| link-1 = S.O.4050 Vautour IIA
| link-2 = S.O.4050 Vautour IIB
}}

== Description ==

[[File:GarageImage_Vautour_IIA_IDFAF.jpg|420px|thumb|left]]
{{Break}}
The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a premium gift rank {{Specs|rank}} French jet bomber {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update 1.87 "Locked On"]].

== General info ==
=== Flight Performance ===


Like most bombers, the Israeli Vautour has decent maneuverability (for a bomber mind you), but you shouldn't be turning with anything to begin with. Where this plane really shines is the acceleration owing to the two powerful engines in the underling nacelles and the heavy air frame. Which makes it amazing in the vertical. But since you can't have everything, the wings will break in prolonged >7g maneuvers. Essentially you don't want to do any insane maneuvers, and risk getting sent back to the hanger.

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="70%"
! rowspan="2" | Characteristics
! colspan="2" | Max Speed (km/h at 0 m - sea level)
! rowspan="2" | Max altitude (metres)
! colspan="2" | Turn time (seconds)
! colspan="2" | Rate of climb (metres/second)
! rowspan="2" | Take-off run (metres)
|-
! AB !! RB !! AB !! RB !! AB !! RB
|-
! Stock
| 1,093 || 1,091 || rowspan="2" | {{Specs|ceiling}} || 32.6 || 33.2 || 43.0 || 41.1 || rowspan="2" | 900
|-
! Upgraded
| 1,106 || 1,100 || 31.4 || 32.0 || 62.7 || 52.0
|-
|}

====Details====
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="50%"
|-
! colspan="6" | Features
|-
! Combat flaps !! Take-off flaps !! Landing flaps !! Air brakes !! Arrestor gear !! Drogue chute
|-
| ✓ || ✓ || ✓ || ✓ || X || ✓ 
|-
|}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="50%"
|-
! colspan="7" | Limits
|-
! rowspan="2" | Wings (km/h)
! rowspan="2" | Gear (km/h)
! colspan="3" | Flaps (km/h)
! colspan="2" | Max Static G
|-
! Combat !! Take-off !! Landing !! + !! -
|-
| {{Specs|разрушение|конструкции}} || {{Specs|разрушение|шасси}} || 600 || 600 || 463 || ~7 || ~3
|-
|}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="4" | Optimal velocities (km/h)
|-
! Ailerons !! Rudder !! Elevators !! Radiator
|-
| < 480 || < 620 || < 590 || N/A
|-
|}

==== Engine performance ====
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="3" | Engine
! colspan="4" | Aircraft mass
|-
! colspan="2" | Engine name || Number
! colspan="2" | Empty mass || colspan="2" | Wing loading (full fuel)
|-
| colspan="2" | SNECMA Atar 101E3 || 2
| colspan="2" | 11,000 kg || colspan="2" | 316 kg/m2
|-
! colspan="3" | Engine characteristics
! colspan="3" | Mass with fuel (no weapons load) || rowspan="2" | Max Takeoff Weight
|-
! Weight (each) || colspan="2" | Type
! 8m fuel || 20m fuel || 27m fuel
|-
| 950 kg || colspan="2" | Axial-flow turbojet
| 11,974 kg || 13,388 kg || 14,213 kg || 21,000 kg
|-
! colspan="3" | {{Annotation|Maximum engine thrust @ 0 m (RB / SB)|The maximum thrust produced by each engine, while mounted in the aircraft. NOTE: Thrust varies significantly depending on speed & altitude.}}
! colspan="4" | Thrust to weight ratio @ 0 m (100%)
|-
! Condition || 100% || WEP
! 8m fuel || 20m fuel || 27m fuel || MTOW
|-
| ''Stationary'' || 3,293 kgf || N/A
| 0.55 || 0.49 || 0.46 || 0.31
|-
| ''Optimal'' || 3,595 kgf (1,100 km/h) || N/A
| 0.60 || 0.54 || 0.51 || 0.34
|-
|}

=== Survivability and armour ===


* 2 mm steel behind rearmost fuel tank
* 2 mm steel in the rear fuselage
* 3 mm steel surrounding the pilot
* 6 mm steel in front of pilot's controls
* 13.5 mm steel in front of pilot's controls
* 13.5 mm steel headrest
* 50 mm bulletproof in front of pilot
* Self-sealing fuel tanks (4 in the fuselage, 1 in each wing)

This thing can take quite a lot of punishment before going down due to the bomber's damage model.

== Armaments ==
=== Offensive armament ===

{{main|DEFA 551 (30 mm)}}

The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' is armed with:

* 4 x 30 mm DEFA 551 cannons, nose-mounted (100 rpg = 400 total)

=== Suspended armament ===

{{main|AN-M57 (250 lb)|AN-M64A1 (500 lb)|M117 cone 90 (750 lb)|M117 cone 45 (750 lb)|AN-M65A1 Fin M129 (1,000 lb)}}
{{main|Shafrir|T10 140|T10 151|SNEB type 23}}

The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' can be outfitted with the following ordnance:

* 10 x 250 lb AN-M57 bombs (2,500 lb total)
* 10 x 500 lb AN-M64A1 bombs (5,000 lb total)
* 2 x 750 lb M117 cone 90 bombs + 8 x 750 lb M117 cone 45 bombs (7,500 lb total)
* 6 x 1,000 lb AN-M65A1 Fin M129 bombs (6,000 lb total)
* 24 x T10 140 rockets
* 24 x T10 151 rockets
* 76 x SNEB type 23 rockets
* 6 x 250 lb AN-M57 bombs + 24 x T10 140 rockets (1,500 lb total)
* 6 x 500 lb AN-M64A1 bombs + 24 x T10 140 rockets (3,000 lb total)
* 2 x 750 lb M117 cone 90 bombs + 4 x 750 lb M117 cone 45 bombs + 24 x T10 140 rockets (4,500 lb total)
* 2 x 1,000 lb AN-M65A1 Fin M129 bombs + 24 x T10 140 rockets (2,000 lb total)
* 6 x 250 lb AN-M57 bombs + 24 x T10 151 rockets (1,500 lb total)
* 6 x 500 lb AN-M64A1 bombs + 24 x T10 151 rockets (3,000 lb total)
* 2 x 750 lb M117 cone 90 bombs + 4 x 750 lb M117 cone 45 bombs + 24 x T10 151 rockets (4,500 lb total)
* 2 x 1,000 lb AN-M65A1 Fin M129 bombs + 24 x T10 151 rockets (2,000 lb total)
* 6 x 250 lb AN-M57 bombs + 76 x SNEB type 23 rockets (1,500 lb total)
* 6 x 500 lb AN-M64A1 bombs + 76 x SNEB type 23 rockets (3,000 lb total)
* 2 x 750 lb M117 cone 90 bombs + 4 x 750 lb M117 cone 45 bombs + 76 x SNEB type 23 rockets (4,500 lb total)
* 2 x 1,000 lb AN-M65A1 Fin M129 bombs + 76 x SNEB type 23 rockets (2,000 lb total)
* 4 x Shafrir missiles

== Usage in battles ==


# The regular "rush the base and run away" style that all Jet bombers can do and excel at. There's nothing wrong with this, but it's not where the Vautour excels.
# Ignore all the other payloads and load up on missiles. This arguably the more interesting way to play, but there are risks involved as well. i.e. having the whole enemy team pick the Vautour as a priority target.

If you take the missiles, here's how you want to play it:

Look for high altitude dots , these usually mean other jet bombers or the odd Tu-4. The missiles are not that effective at a range greater then 1 km. The farther that missiles are fired, the greater the chance of the locked-on enemy have in evading the missile. On the off hand that the first missile misses, the Vautour has four of them so a follow-up shot is an encouraged option.

Once in a while, look around and support your team, especially the teammates that are engaging the enemy. If an ally has an enemy at their tail, work around towards the enemy's rear and fire off a missile to take care of them. This can be beneficial if a long chain of alternating enemy and ally fighters have gotten together as each of them try to hit the fighter at their front and evade the fighter at their tail. If able to pounce on these chains, come in from the very rear and take out the very last enemy fighter in this chain. This will either cause the chain to break-up, potentially freeing up pressure on your allies, or the chain will continue without noticing the Vautour's presence. In the latter case, continue towards the next enemy and take them out one-by-one.

Once all missiles are expended, switch to the guns, which are powerful enough to take care of any enemies unfortunate to be in front of them. However, high-speeds will cause the controls to be less responsive, so fine-manoeuvring for these gun-runs may be difficult. If the gun pass misses, itch up and use the Vautour's amazing vertical energy retention to reset and try again. Usually the guns don't get much use as the missiles will completely over shadow them.

Overall this plane destroys people who don't pay attention and or make bad plays. The most effective way to lock it down is to simply look back every now and then, just to make sure nothing's behind you.

;Enemies of note:

F-100's: These things will out speed you and outmaneuver you in the vertical. If one happens to latch onto your 6, drag him away from his friends and force him to overshoot. Then assuming the reversal was successful, throw a missile at them. Most F-100 may not be aware that the Vautour has missiles, and so firing off a missile can destroy the F-100 while it is supersonic.

Vautours: The Vautour's great performance means its greatest enemy is going to be itself. Be especially wary on maps like Hokkaido where there's thick cloud cover. They have a tendency to come out of nowhere, destroy you and retreat back into the cloud cover like some air-borne monster.

===Modules===
{| class="wikitable"
! colspan="1" | Tier
! colspan="2" | Flight performance
! colspan="1" | Survivability
! colspan="3" | Weaponry
|-
| I
| Fuselage repair
|
|
| Offensive 30 mm
| Matra T10 140
| SBC-17
|-
| II
| New boosters
| Compressor
| Airframe
|
| Matra T10 151
| M117
|-
| III
| Wings repair
| Engine
|
| New 30 mm cannons
| Matra SNEB
| LBC-25
|-
| IV
| G-suit
|
| Cover
|
| Shafrir
|
|-
! colspan="7" |This is a premium vehicle: all modifications are unlocked on purchase
|-
|}

=== Pros and cons ===


'''Pros:'''

* Normally able to reach bombing points before being intercepted
* Good top speed, able to keep up with fighters at its rank
* Good energy retention
* Versatile, has access to a wide range of ordinance including air to air missiles

'''Cons:'''

* Poor manoeuvrability
* Vulnerable to missiles
* Transonic and supersonic aircraft can easily match your speed
* Shafrir missiles are only slightly better than [[AIM-9B]]s
* Missiles have a very limited range, 2.5 km optimal range
* No bombing sight
* Unguided rockets are inaccurate

== History ==


The French Vautour twin-engine bomber had been produced in three variants between 1956 and 1959. In 1960, after four years in service, the French Armee de l'Air divested itself of its 25 surviving Vautour II-A single seat ground attack planes, along with its 40 II-B two-seater bombers, selling them to Israel, which kept them in service until the 1970s.

== Media ==
''Excellent additions to the article would be video guides, screenshots from the game, and photos.''

== See also ==
''Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:''

* Vehicles that are very similar [[S.O.4050 Vautour IIA]],[[S.O.4050 Vautour IIB]]
* Other vehicles of similar configuration and role: [[B-57B]] , [[B-57A]] , [[IL-28 (Germany)]] , [[Tu-14T]],[[IL-28]] , [[IL-28Sh]] ,[[Canberra B Mk 2]] , [[Canberra B (I) Mk 6]] , [[H-5]]

== External links ==
''Paste links to sources and external resources, such as:''

* ''topic on the official game forum;''
* ''encyclopedia page on the aircraft;''
* ''other literature.''

{{AirManufacturer SNCA SO}}
{{France jet aircraft}}
{{France premium aircraft}}

Vautour IIA IDF/AF

2020-12-20T13:29:27Z

U101172289: /* See also */

{{Specs-Card
|code=so_4050_vautour_2a_iaf
|store=6679
}}
{{About
| about = jet bomber '''{{PAGENAME}}'''
| and
| usage = other versions
| link-1 = S.O.4050 Vautour IIA
| link-2 = S.O.4050 Vautour IIB
}}

== Description ==

[[File:GarageImage_Vautour_IIA_IDFAF.jpg|420px|thumb|left]]
{{Break}}
The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a premium gift rank {{Specs|rank}} French jet bomber {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update 1.87 "Locked On"]].

== General info ==
=== Flight Performance ===


Like most bombers, the Israeli Vautour has decent maneuverability (for a bomber mind you), but you shouldn't be turning with anything to begin with. Where this plane really shines is the acceleration owing to the two powerful engines in the underling nacelles and the heavy air frame. Which makes it amazing in the vertical. But since you can't have everything, the wings will break in prolonged >7g maneuvers. Essentially you don't want to do any insane maneuvers, and risk getting sent back to the hanger.

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="70%"
! rowspan="2" | Characteristics
! colspan="2" | Max Speed (km/h at 0 m - sea level)
! rowspan="2" | Max altitude (metres)
! colspan="2" | Turn time (seconds)
! colspan="2" | Rate of climb (metres/second)
! rowspan="2" | Take-off run (metres)
|-
! AB !! RB !! AB !! RB !! AB !! RB
|-
! Stock
| 1,093 || 1,091 || rowspan="2" | {{Specs|ceiling}} || 32.6 || 33.2 || 43.0 || 41.1 || rowspan="2" | 900
|-
! Upgraded
| 1,106 || 1,100 || 31.4 || 32.0 || 62.7 || 52.0
|-
|}

====Details====
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="50%"
|-
! colspan="6" | Features
|-
! Combat flaps !! Take-off flaps !! Landing flaps !! Air brakes !! Arrestor gear !! Drogue chute
|-
| ✓ || ✓ || ✓ || ✓ || X || ✓ 
|-
|}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="50%"
|-
! colspan="7" | Limits
|-
! rowspan="2" | Wings (km/h)
! rowspan="2" | Gear (km/h)
! colspan="3" | Flaps (km/h)
! colspan="2" | Max Static G
|-
! Combat !! Take-off !! Landing !! + !! -
|-
| {{Specs|разрушение|конструкции}} || {{Specs|разрушение|шасси}} || 600 || 600 || 463 || ~7 || ~3
|-
|}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="4" | Optimal velocities (km/h)
|-
! Ailerons !! Rudder !! Elevators !! Radiator
|-
| < 480 || < 620 || < 590 || N/A
|-
|}

==== Engine performance ====
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="3" | Engine
! colspan="4" | Aircraft mass
|-
! colspan="2" | Engine name || Number
! colspan="2" | Empty mass || colspan="2" | Wing loading (full fuel)
|-
| colspan="2" | SNECMA Atar 101E3 || 2
| colspan="2" | 11,000 kg || colspan="2" | 316 kg/m2
|-
! colspan="3" | Engine characteristics
! colspan="3" | Mass with fuel (no weapons load) || rowspan="2" | Max Takeoff Weight
|-
! Weight (each) || colspan="2" | Type
! 8m fuel || 20m fuel || 27m fuel
|-
| 950 kg || colspan="2" | Axial-flow turbojet
| 11,974 kg || 13,388 kg || 14,213 kg || 21,000 kg
|-
! colspan="3" | {{Annotation|Maximum engine thrust @ 0 m (RB / SB)|The maximum thrust produced by each engine, while mounted in the aircraft. NOTE: Thrust varies significantly depending on speed & altitude.}}
! colspan="4" | Thrust to weight ratio @ 0 m (100%)
|-
! Condition || 100% || WEP
! 8m fuel || 20m fuel || 27m fuel || MTOW
|-
| ''Stationary'' || 3,293 kgf || N/A
| 0.55 || 0.49 || 0.46 || 0.31
|-
| ''Optimal'' || 3,595 kgf (1,100 km/h) || N/A
| 0.60 || 0.54 || 0.51 || 0.34
|-
|}

=== Survivability and armour ===


* 2 mm steel behind rearmost fuel tank
* 2 mm steel in the rear fuselage
* 3 mm steel surrounding the pilot
* 6 mm steel in front of pilot's controls
* 13.5 mm steel in front of pilot's controls
* 13.5 mm steel headrest
* 50 mm bulletproof in front of pilot
* Self-sealing fuel tanks (4 in the fuselage, 1 in each wing)

This thing can take quite a lot of punishment before going down due to the bomber's damage model.

== Armaments ==
=== Offensive armament ===

{{main|DEFA 551 (30 mm)}}

The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' is armed with:

* 4 x 30 mm DEFA 551 cannons, nose-mounted (100 rpg = 400 total)

=== Suspended armament ===

{{main|AN-M57 (250 lb)|AN-M64A1 (500 lb)|M117 cone 90 (750 lb)|M117 cone 45 (750 lb)|AN-M65A1 Fin M129 (1,000 lb)}}
{{main|Shafrir|T10 140|T10 151|SNEB type 23}}

The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' can be outfitted with the following ordnance:

* 10 x 250 lb AN-M57 bombs (2,500 lb total)
* 10 x 500 lb AN-M64A1 bombs (5,000 lb total)
* 2 x 750 lb M117 cone 90 bombs + 8 x 750 lb M117 cone 45 bombs (7,500 lb total)
* 6 x 1,000 lb AN-M65A1 Fin M129 bombs (6,000 lb total)
* 24 x T10 140 rockets
* 24 x T10 151 rockets
* 76 x SNEB type 23 rockets
* 6 x 250 lb AN-M57 bombs + 24 x T10 140 rockets (1,500 lb total)
* 6 x 500 lb AN-M64A1 bombs + 24 x T10 140 rockets (3,000 lb total)
* 2 x 750 lb M117 cone 90 bombs + 4 x 750 lb M117 cone 45 bombs + 24 x T10 140 rockets (4,500 lb total)
* 2 x 1,000 lb AN-M65A1 Fin M129 bombs + 24 x T10 140 rockets (2,000 lb total)
* 6 x 250 lb AN-M57 bombs + 24 x T10 151 rockets (1,500 lb total)
* 6 x 500 lb AN-M64A1 bombs + 24 x T10 151 rockets (3,000 lb total)
* 2 x 750 lb M117 cone 90 bombs + 4 x 750 lb M117 cone 45 bombs + 24 x T10 151 rockets (4,500 lb total)
* 2 x 1,000 lb AN-M65A1 Fin M129 bombs + 24 x T10 151 rockets (2,000 lb total)
* 6 x 250 lb AN-M57 bombs + 76 x SNEB type 23 rockets (1,500 lb total)
* 6 x 500 lb AN-M64A1 bombs + 76 x SNEB type 23 rockets (3,000 lb total)
* 2 x 750 lb M117 cone 90 bombs + 4 x 750 lb M117 cone 45 bombs + 76 x SNEB type 23 rockets (4,500 lb total)
* 2 x 1,000 lb AN-M65A1 Fin M129 bombs + 76 x SNEB type 23 rockets (2,000 lb total)
* 4 x Shafrir missiles

== Usage in battles ==


# The regular "rush the base and run away" style that all Jet bombers can do and excel at. There's nothing wrong with this, but it's not where the Vautour excels.
# Ignore all the other payloads and load up on missiles. This arguably the more interesting way to play, but there are risks involved as well. i.e. having the whole enemy team pick the Vautour as a priority target.

If you take the missiles, here's how you want to play it:

Look for high altitude dots , these usually mean other jet bombers or the odd Tu-4. The missiles are not that effective at a range greater then 1 km. The farther that missiles are fired, the greater the chance of the locked-on enemy have in evading the missile. On the off hand that the first missile misses, the Vautour has four of them so a follow-up shot is an encouraged option.

Once in a while, look around and support your team, especially the teammates that are engaging the enemy. If an ally has an enemy at their tail, work around towards the enemy's rear and fire off a missile to take care of them. This can be beneficial if a long chain of alternating enemy and ally fighters have gotten together as each of them try to hit the fighter at their front and evade the fighter at their tail. If able to pounce on these chains, come in from the very rear and take out the very last enemy fighter in this chain. This will either cause the chain to break-up, potentially freeing up pressure on your allies, or the chain will continue without noticing the Vautour's presence. In the latter case, continue towards the next enemy and take them out one-by-one.

Once all missiles are expended, switch to the guns, which are powerful enough to take care of any enemies unfortunate to be in front of them. However, high-speeds will cause the controls to be less responsive, so fine-manoeuvring for these gun-runs may be difficult. If the gun pass misses, itch up and use the Vautour's amazing vertical energy retention to reset and try again. Usually the guns don't get much use as the missiles will completely over shadow them.

Overall this plane destroys people who don't pay attention and or make bad plays. The most effective way to lock it down is to simply look back every now and then, just to make sure nothing's behind you.

;Enemies of note:

F-100's: These things will out speed you and outmaneuver you in the vertical. If one happens to latch onto your 6, drag him away from his friends and force him to overshoot. Then assuming the reversal was successful, throw a missile at them. Most F-100 may not be aware that the Vautour has missiles, and so firing off a missile can destroy the F-100 while it is supersonic.

Vautours: The Vautour's great performance means its greatest enemy is going to be itself. Be especially wary on maps like Hokkaido where there's thick cloud cover. They have a tendency to come out of nowhere, destroy you and retreat back into the cloud cover like some air-borne monster.

===Modules===
{| class="wikitable"
! colspan="1" | Tier
! colspan="2" | Flight performance
! colspan="1" | Survivability
! colspan="3" | Weaponry
|-
| I
| Fuselage repair
|
|
| Offensive 30 mm
| Matra T10 140
| SBC-17
|-
| II
| New boosters
| Compressor
| Airframe
|
| Matra T10 151
| M117
|-
| III
| Wings repair
| Engine
|
| New 30 mm cannons
| Matra SNEB
| LBC-25
|-
| IV
| G-suit
|
| Cover
|
| Shafrir
|
|-
! colspan="7" |This is a premium vehicle: all modifications are unlocked on purchase
|-
|}

=== Pros and cons ===


'''Pros:'''

* Normally able to reach bombing points before being intercepted
* Good top speed, able to keep up with fighters at its rank
* Good energy retention
* Versatile, has access to a wide range of ordinance including air to air missiles

'''Cons:'''

* Poor manoeuvrability
* Vulnerable to missiles
* Transonic and supersonic aircraft can easily match your speed
* Shafrir missiles are only slightly better than [[AIM-9B]]s
* Missiles have a very limited range, 2.5 km optimal range
* No bombing sight
* Unguided rockets are inaccurate

== History ==


The French Vautour twin-engine bomber had been produced in three variants between 1956 and 1959. In 1960, after four years in service, the French Armee de l'Air divested itself of its 25 surviving Vautour II-A single seat ground attack planes, along with its 40 II-B two-seater bombers, selling them to Israel, which kept them in service until the 1970s.

== Media ==
''Excellent additions to the article would be video guides, screenshots from the game, and photos.''

== See also ==
''Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:''

* [[S.O.4050 Vautour IIA]],[[S.O.4050 Vautour IIB]] (Non-premium versions)
* ''links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.''

== External links ==
''Paste links to sources and external resources, such as:''

* ''topic on the official game forum;''
* ''encyclopedia page on the aircraft;''
* ''other literature.''

{{AirManufacturer SNCA SO}}
{{France jet aircraft}}
{{France premium aircraft}}

Somua SM

2020-12-20T13:20:29Z

U101172289: /* Usage in battles */

{{Specs-Card
|code=fr_somua_sm
|store=9313
}}

== Description ==

[[File:GarageImage_{{PAGENAME}}.jpg|420px|thumb|left]]
{{Break}}
The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a premium gift rank {{Specs|rank}} French heavy tank {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update "Raining Fire"]].

== General info ==
=== Survivability and armour ===

The upper glacis of the hull and the upper part of the turret are the only well-protected areas, which will give you good protection against most conventional rounds, especially from far ranges. However, the rest of the armour is very weak and can be easily penetrated by pretty much everything, and you will still be vulnerable against HEAT-FS, ATGMs, APFSDS and such. Your best bet is to flank the enemy and take them out with your auto-loading gun before they can get a hit on you. If an enemy spots you, face them so they can only hit the front of the tank, and hope that they don't hit the very weak bottom portion of your turret. Try not to angle your tank as the sides can easily be penetrated. Since you have 5 crew members, with 2 in the front of the hull and 3 in the turret, and come equipped with a handy autoloader, you can take a few hits and lose a couple of crew members without having to worry too much.

{| class="wikitable"
|-
! Armour !! Front (Slope angle) !! Sides !! Rear !! Roof
|-
| Hull || 150 mm (55°) ''Front glacis''
60 mm (55°) ''Lower glacis''
| 40 mm (25°) ''Top'' 40 mm ''Bottom'' || 40 mm (30°) || 5 - 20 mm
|-
| Turret || 40 - 120 mm ''Turret front'' 200 mm ''Gun mantlet'' || 40 - 60 mm || 40 mm || 30 mm
|-
| Cupola || 30 mm || 30 mm || 30 mm || 30 mm
|-
|}

'''Notes:''' 


=== Mobility ===

Although heavier and not as mobile as the AMX 50 or Lorraine 40t, the SOMUA SM is still pretty mobile for a heavy tank. You will still want to flank the enemy as much as possible and take them out quickly with your auto-loading gun, but don’t be afraid to take a few hits from the front. However, your reverse speed is pretty slow and will not save you, so watch out for that.

{{tankMobility}}

== Armaments ==
=== Main armament ===

{{main|SA47 L/58 (100 mm)}}
''Give the reader information about the characteristics of the main gun. Assess its effectiveness in a battle based on the reloading speed, ballistics and the power of shells. Do not forget about the flexibility of the fire, that is how quickly the cannon can be aimed at the target, open fire on it and aim at another enemy. Add a link to the main article on the gun: <code><nowiki>{{main|Name of the weapon}}</nowiki></code>. Describe in general terms the ammunition available for the main gun. Give advice on how to use them and how to fill the ammunition storage.''

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="100%"
|-
! colspan="5" | [[SA47 L/58 (100 mm)|100 mm SA47 L/58]] || colspan="5" | Turret rotation speed (°/s) || colspan="4" | Reloading rate (seconds)
|-
! Mode !! Capacity !! Vertical !! Horizontal !! Stabilizer
! Stock !! Upgraded !! Full !! Expert !! Aced
! Stock !! Full !! Expert !! Aced
|-
! ''Arcade''
| rowspan="2" | 50 || rowspan="2" | -8°/+15° || rowspan="2" | ±180° || rowspan="2" | N/A || __.__ || __.__ || __.__ || __.__ || __.__ || rowspan="2" | 4.00 || rowspan="2" | 4.00 || rowspan="2" | 4.00 || rowspan="2" | 4.00
|-
! ''Realistic''
| __.__ || __.__ || __.__ || __.__ || __.__
|-
|}

==== Ammunition ====
{| class="wikitable sortable" style="text-align:center" width="100%"
! colspan="8" | Penetration statistics
|-
! rowspan="2" data-sort-type="text" | Ammunition
! rowspan="2" | Type of warhead
! colspan="6" | '''Penetration @ 0° Angle of Attack (mm)'''
|-
! 10 m !! 100 m !! 500 m !! 1,000 m !! 1,500 m !! 2,000 m
|-
| 100 mm Obus de rupture || APCBC || 273 || 270 || 257 || 242 || 228 || 215
|-
| 100 mm Obus explosif || HE || 18 || 18 || 18 || 18 || 18 || 18
|-
|}
{| class="wikitable sortable" style="text-align:center" width="100%"
! colspan="10" | Shell details
|-
! rowspan="2" data-sort-type="text" | Ammunition
! rowspan="2" | Type of warhead
! rowspan="2" | Velocity (m/s)
! rowspan="2" | Projectile Mass (kg)
! rowspan="2" | Fuse delay (m)
! rowspan="2" | Fuse sensitivity (mm)
! rowspan="2" | Explosive Mass (TNT equivalent) (g)
! colspan="3" | Ricochet
|-
! 0% !! 50% !! 100%
|-
| 100 mm Obus de rupture || APCBC || 1,000 || 15.0 || N/A || N/A || N/A || 48° || 63° || 71°
|-
| 100 mm Obus explosif || HE || 1,000 || 14.8 || 0.1 || 0.5 || 1,400 || 79° || 80° || 81°
|-
|}

==== [[Ammo racks]] ====

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! Full ammo
! 1st rack empty
! 2nd rack empty
! 3rd rack empty
! 4th rack empty
! 5th rack empty
! 6th rack empty
! 7th rack empty
! 8th rack empty
! 9th rack empty
! Visual discrepancy
|-
| '''50''' || 46 ''(+4)'' || 39 ''(+11)'' || 32 ''(+18)'' || 25 ''(+25)'' || 18 ''(+32)'' || 14 ''(+36)'' || 10 ''(+40)'' || 9 ''(+41)'' || 1 ''(+49)'' || No
|-
|}
[[File:Ammoracks_{{PAGENAME}}.png|right|thumb|x250px|[[Ammo racks]] of the {{PAGENAME}}]]
Notes:

* Shells are modelled individually and disappear after having been shot or loaded.
* Rack 9* (autoloader magazine) is a first stage ammo rack. It totals 9 shells.
** This rack gets filled first when loading up the tank and is also emptied first.
* As it is equipped with an autoloader, manual reloading of the gun is not possible.
* Once the autoloader magazine has been depleted, you can't shoot until the loader has restocked the autoloader. The restocking time is longer than the normal reload time of the gun. Take this into account when playing.
* Simply not firing when the gun is loaded will move ammo from racks 1 to 8 into rack 9*. Firing will interrupt the restocking of the ready racks.
* The depletion order at full capacity is: 9 - 1 - 2 - up to 8.

=== Machine guns ===

{{main|MAC 31 (7.5 mm)}}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="50%"
|-
! colspan="5" | [[MAC 31 (7.5 mm)|7.5 mm MAC 31]]
|-
! Mount !! Capacity (Belt) !! Fire rate !! Vertical !! Horizontal
|-
| Coaxial || 4800 (150) || 1350 || N/A || N/A
|-
|}
The small calibre of the MAC 31 machine gun makes it largely ineffective against all armoured vehicles but the ones with an open compartment. It still can be used to ping targets as a rangefinding help.

== Usage in battles ==

''Describe the tactics of playing in the vehicle, the features of using vehicles in the team and advice on tactics. Refrain from creating a "guide" - do not impose a single point of view but instead give the reader food for thought. Describe the most dangerous enemies and give recommendations on fighting them. If necessary, note the specifics of the game in different modes (AB, RB, SB).''

=== Modules ===
{| class="wikitable"
! Tier
! colspan="2" | Mobility
! Protection
! Firepower
|-
| I
|Tracks
|
|Parts
|Horizontal drive
|-
| II
|Suspension
|Brake System
|FPE
|Adjustment of Fire
|-
| III
|Filters
|
|Crew Replenishment
|Elevation Mechanism
|-
| IV
|Transmission
|Engine
|
|
|-
! colspan="5" | This is a premium vehicle: all modifications are unlocked on purchase
|-
|}

=== Pros and cons ===


'''Pros:'''

* Same great gun that's found on the AMX-50 and Lorraine
* Equipped with a huge 9-shell autoloader, making this one of the best tanks to attack multiple enemies at once
*Unlike most French tanks, the SOMUA has good frontal armour; the upper turret and upper plate are basically immune to all conventional rounds
* Due to the frontal armour and nine shot autoloader, the tank is not only great at flanking and ambushing, but also very good at brawling
* The strong upper turret coupled with the eight degrees of gun depression makes this tank great at hull-down fighting and cresting ridgelines
* Due to how tall this tank is and how high the gun is placed, it can shoot over obstacles that many tanks have trouble seeing over
* Quick and maneuverable for a heavy tank
* This tank has a high level of survivability thanks to the spacious crew compartment and a five-man crew
* Good set of optics with 6x magnification
* The APCBC round has a tendency to cause lots of spalling upon penetration

'''Cons:'''

* Absolutely huge tank. Longer, wider, and taller than a Tiger II. Finding proper concealment is difficult
* The neck of the turret a prime weak spot that's hard to effectively hide
* The lower plate is as weak as British lower plates. Any APHE shell that enters here will likely knock out the whole crew
* Will face a lot of enemies that fire APDS and HEAT, the upper turret and upper plate just can't absorb those kinds of shells
* Terrible side armour, side-scraping or angling the tank is extremely hazardous
* Is much slower than the Lorraine and AMX-50
* Mediocre elevation angles thanks to the inherent nature of oscillating turrets
* Once the autoloader is expended, reloading the magazine takes a considerable amount of time
* Because of the 4.0s reload, you can quite easily empty the 9 round magazine

== History ==

At the end of WW2, the French army realized that they needed a new modern heavy tank. The SOMUA Company competed with AMX to design a new heavy tank for France, and they were given the order to build a prototype in 1946. The hull of the tank was based off the German Tiger II, and the tank used an oscillating turret armed with an auto-loading 100 mm gun. Because the two companies were forced to make a new design with the same requirements, the Somua SM design looked similar to the AMX 50, and both tanks had equipped the 100 mm gun. The prototype was delivered in October of 1951 but was still lacking an engine and some other parts. Due to delays, the prototype was not tested until 1953, but it was already too late. The SOMUA’s design was rejected in favour of the AMX 50.

== Media ==


;Skins

* [https://live.warthunder.com/feed/camouflages/?vehicleCountry=france&vehicleType=tank&vehicleClass=heavy_tank&vehicle=fr_somua_sm Skins and camouflages for the {{PAGENAME}} from live.warthunder.com.]

;Videos
{{Youtube-gallery|cj5yjwMfmAM|'''The Shooting Range #217''' - ''Metal Beasts'' section at 00:30 discusses the {{PAGENAME}}.}}

== See also ==

''Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:''

* ''reference to the series of the vehicles;''
* ''links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.''

== External links ==


* [[wt:en/news/6825-development-somua-sm-heavy-weight-fighter-en|[Devblog] SOMUA SM: Heavy Weight Fighter]]

{{France heavy tanks}}
{{France premium ground vehicles}}

AMX-50 Foch

2020-11-30T06:36:07Z

U101172289: /* Usage in battles */ dont go for close rang and search a nice hide spot where you can kill everyone!

{{Specs-Card|code=fr_amx_50_foch}}
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== Description ==

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The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a Rank {{Specs|rank}} French tank destroyer {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced during [[Update 1.75 "La Résistance"]].

== General info ==
=== Survivability and armour ===

{| class="wikitable"
|-
! Armour !! Front (Slope angle) !! Sides !! Rear !! Roof
|-
| Hull || 180mm (55°) ''Front glacis'' 100 mm (60°) ''Lower glacis'' 180-300 (0-72°) + 180 mm ''Gun mantlet'' || 40 mm (15°) ''Top'' 40 mm ''Bottom'' || 40 mm ''Top'' 40 mm (40°) ''Bottom'' || 30 mm ''Fighting compartment'' 20 mm ''Engine deck'' 90 mm ''Gun mantlet''
|-
! Armour !! Sides !! Roof
|-
| Cupola || 200 mm ''Front'' 30 mm ''Everywhere else'' || 30 mm
|-
|}
'''Notes:'''

* Suspension wheels and tracks are both 20 mm thick.
* Road wheels are interleaved and provide cumulative protection for the lower side hull.

=== Mobility ===


{{tankMobility|abMinHp= 1420|rbMinHp= 884}}

== Armaments ==
=== Main armament ===

{{main|SA46 (120 mm)}}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="6" | [[SA46 (120 mm)|120 mm SA46]]
|-
! colspan="3" rowspan="1" style="width:5em" |Capacity
! rowspan="1" | Vertical guidance
! rowspan="1" | Horizontal guidance
! rowspan="1" | Stabilizer
|-
| colspan="3" | 48 || -6°/+16° || ±9° || N/A
|-
! colspan="6" | Turret rotation speed (°/s)
|-
! style="width:4em" |Mode
! style="width:4em" |Stock
! style="width:4em" |Upgraded
! style="width:4em" |Prior + Full crew
! style="width:4em" |Prior + Expert qualif.
! style="width:4em" |Prior + Ace qualif.
|-
| ''Arcade'' || __.__ || __.__ || __.__ || __.__ || __.__
|-
| ''Realistic'' || __.__ || __.__ || __.__ || __.__ || __.__
|-
! colspan="4" | Reloading rate (seconds)
|-
! colspan="1" style="width:4em" |Stock
! colspan="1" style="width:4em" |Prior + Full crew
! colspan="1" style="width:4em" |Prior + Expert qualif.
! colspan="1" style="width:4em" |Prior + Ace qualif.
|-
| 19.4 || __.__ || __.__ || __.__
|-
|}

===== Ammunition =====
{| class="wikitable sortable" style="text-align:center" width="100%"
! colspan="8" | Penetration statistics
|-
! rowspan="2" data-sort-type="text" | Ammunition
! rowspan="2" class="unsortable" | Type of warhead
! colspan="6" | '''Penetration''' '''''in mm''''' '''@ 0° Angle of Attack'''
|-
! 10m
! 100m
! 500m
! 1000m
! 1500m
! 2000m
|-
| 120 mm Obus de rupture || AP || 301 || 298 || 286 || 272 ||258||245
|-
| 120 mm Obus explosif || HE || 39 || 39 || 39 || 39 || 39 || 39
|-
|}
{| class="wikitable sortable" style="text-align:center" width="100%"
! colspan="11" | Shell details
|-
! rowspan="2" data-sort-type="text" | Ammunition
! rowspan="2" class="unsortable" | Type of warhead
! rowspan="2" |Velocity in m/s
! rowspan="2" |Projectile Mass in kg
! rowspan="2" | ''Fuse delay''
''in m:''
! rowspan="2" | ''Fuse sensitivity''
''in mm:''
! rowspan="2" | ''Explosive Mass in g (TNT equivalent):''
! rowspan="2" | ''Normalization At 30° from horizontal:''
! colspan="3" | ''Ricochet:''
|-
! 0%
! 50%
! 100%
|-
| 120 mm Obus de rupture || AP || 1,067 || 23 || N/A || N/A || N/A || ° || 48° || 63° || 71°
|-
| 120 mm Obus explosif || HE || 762 || 23 || 0.1 || 0.1 || 4,650 || +0° || 79° || 80° || 81°
|-
|}

===== [[Ammo racks|Ammo racks]] =====
[[File:Ammoracks_AMX-50_Foch.png|right|thumbnail|x250px|[[Ammo racks|Ammo racks]] of the AMX-50 Foch.]]
{| class="wikitable sortable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! class="wikitable unsortable" |Full ammo
! class="wikitable unsortable" |1st rack empty
! class="wikitable unsortable" |2nd rack empty
! class="wikitable unsortable" |3rd rack empty
! class="wikitable unsortable" |4th rack empty
! class="wikitable unsortable" |5th rack empty
! class="wikitable unsortable" |Visual discrepancy
|-
|| '''48''' || 43 ''(+5)'' || 31 ''(+17)'' || 19 ''(+29)'' || 5 ''(+43)'' || 1 ''(+47)'' || style="text-align:left" | yes
|-
|}

Right side empty: 19 (+29)

=== Machine guns ===

{{main|MG 151/15 (15 mm)}}

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! colspan="7" | [[MG 151/15 (15 mm)|15 mm MG151/15]]
|-
! colspan="7" | ''Loader's cupola mount''
|-
! colspan="4" rowspan="1" style="width:5em" |Capacity (Belt capacity)
! rowspan="1" | Fire rate (shots/minute)
! rowspan="1" | Vertical guidance
! rowspan="1" | Horizontal guidance
|-
| colspan="4" | 500 (500) || 700 || -3°/+20° || -35°/+160°
|-
|}

== Usage in battles ==
Search a point in the map where you can hide,and where you can easy shoot every enemie.The Problem of this tanks are the side protection,reload time and some weakpoints.If you see a leopard or anything lese with heat rounds go away because they can easy pen. your armor,but most else tanks like the Tiger 2 cant.You can also try to find a position on the map where every enemie tank who see you,only can shoot you from the front.This is a Bit riskey because some tanks will pen your armor or will find a weak Spot.Another things is dont go for close rang fights,you will lose most of them,the enemies will drife around you and kill you from the side.

=== Modules ===
{| class="wikitable"
! Tier
! colspan="2" | Mobility
! Protection
! Firepower
|-
| I
| Tracks
|
| Parts
| Horizontal Drive
|-
| II
| Suspension
| Brake System
| FPE
| Adjustment of Fire
|-
| III
| Filters
|
| Crew Replenishment
| Elevation Mechanism
|-
| IV
| Transmission
| Engine
|
| Rangefinder
|-
|}

=== Pros and cons ===


'''Pros:'''

* Very powerful 120 mm gun; can even penetrate the Maus at some points
* Reasonably fast
* Has an MG-151 on the top in its own turret
* Great armour on the front slope plate (upper glacis)
* Immense spalling from the AP shells; head-on one-shots are very likely
* Good mobility
* Rangefinder logs range very quickly

'''Cons:'''

* No turret; vulnerable to getting flanked
* Longer reload than the AMX-50 Surbaisse
* Limited ammo choices
* The Main gun has a very narrow firing arc
* AP shells will have a hard time destroying some opponents from the side
* Very thin side armour
* Rangefinder and gun mantlet are weak spots - allowing APHE to destroy the Foch you with a well-placed shot
* MG-151 jams quickly, turns slowly and has a very limited firing arc and elevation
* Very low levels of zoom

== History ==


During the early 1950s, DEFA worked to produce the third version of the AMX 50 heavy tank which featured a 120 mm self-propelled gun, however, during upgrades weight became a factor severely hampering the speed of the vehicle. 1955 saw a team of seventy German engineers brought in to help solve the problem maintaining the 120 mm cannon plus have the necessary armour and maintain a 65 kph speed. Due to the delays and problems encountered during construction, only five prototypes were constructed and only one was finished which became known as the Canon Automoteur AMX 50 Foch, named after the supreme allied commander during World War I, Marshal Ferdinand Foch, general and military theorist. The main purpose of the AMX 50 "120 mm" was to provide long-range support for the medium AMX 50 "100 mm" tanks. An ambitious task of designing a version with a 155 mm cannon was started, however, this never made it past the drawing stage.

== Media ==


;Skins

* [https://live.warthunder.com/feed/camouflages/?vehicleCountry=france&vehicleType=tank&vehicleClass=tank_destroyer&vehicle=fr_amx_50_foch Skins and camouflages for the {{PAGENAME}} from live.warthunder.com.]

;Videos
{{Youtube-gallery|b6qqrQqgUZw|'''The Shooting Range #99''' - ''Metal Beasts'' section at 00:38 discusses the {{PAGENAME}}.|B2woWvJK4ew|'''Top 7 most armoured vehicles''' discusses the {{PAGENAME}} at 3:12 - ''War Thunder Official Channel''|xF4-TcnyWw0|'''Best tank destroyers''' discusses the {{PAGENAME}} at 6:08 - ''War Thunder Official Channel''}}

== See also ==
''Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:''

* ''reference to the series of the vehicles;''
* ''links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.''

== External links ==


* [https://warthunder.com/en/news/5292-vehicle-amx-50-foch-racing-tortoise-en [Vehicles<nowiki>]</nowiki> AMX-50 Foch: Racing Tortoise]
* [[Wikipedia:AMX-50#AMX_50_%22120_mm%22|[Wikipedia<nowiki>]</nowiki> AMX 50 "120 mm"]]

{{France tank destroyers}}